Intel 12th Generation Launch

[barren hamlet]

are we discussing it here?

[fringe wasp]

intel housefire inside

[timber herald]

yay

[fringe wasp]

might be the first time I've ever used this feature

[barren hamlet]

contain the fire i guess

[fringe wasp]

nice it puts both chats up

[barren hamlet]

kind of off-putting

[fringe wasp]

nah that's fine

it's like tweetdeck

[misty summit]

Is there any info on the cooling solution used in the grahic you linked @fringe wasp ?

[faint ocean]

You don't have to keep discussion in here, but I figured having a space dedicated to the launch might be good when #techdiscussion moves onto other topics.

[fringe wasp]

LTT used Noctua DH-15.

[barren hamlet]

pretty much the best air cooler?

[timber herald]

thanks wormwood

[fringe wasp]

and it still caves to 12900K

hehe

[barren hamlet]

Intel's going to have to have a talk with them

[timber herald]

haha

[lyric nimbus]

they're the ones who linked the video lol

on intel insider discord

[timber herald]

ya lol

[barren hamlet]

wait, it's intel employees that pushed it?

[tardy fossil]

What time is release or is it already released?

[barren hamlet]

i thought they were just random people

[lyric nimbus]

wait nvm it was the r/intel discord i think

[timber herald]

theres a ltt leaked video

[fringe wasp]

if you're gonna post it, at least put it up for more than 2 seconds

[timber herald]

i didnt delete it

[faint ocean]

@timber heraldwhile it was technically released, public links to that are a no-go until after the embargo.

[tardy fossil]

yeah MrP sent it

[fringe wasp]

well thank fuck these are all being shared privately

[timber herald]

aww ok

[barren hamlet]

shush

[fringe wasp]

I ain't fucking scared, I co-ran /r/VesselRips when that was a thing

[cold breach]

I wanna see the Intel 12th Gen CPUs with DDR4, that's going to the most compelling value question

[timber herald]

hmm ya the ltt leaked vid is like an clue to whats coming

[tardy fossil]

I mean told me *****

[fringe wasp]

oh shit

DDR5 ram is up in NZ

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MEMCOR11410/Corsair-VENGEANCE-DDR5-32GB-DDR5-RAM-5200-MHz

it ain't good

NZD$600 after tax for 32GB

[timber herald]

not the whole thing, ig we just have to wait for in depth reviews, unless someone else leaks another vid

[timber herald]

wow thats a lot

430usd

[fringe wasp]

even a basic 8GB dimm is NZD$122 after tax
https://pp.co.nz/product/u/adata-8gb-ddr5-4800-ram-dimm-lifetime-wty-p-n-ad5u48008g-r-/AB12061/

[fringe wasp]

just remember all NZ ticket prices include the 15% sales tax

[timber herald]

whistles

[timber herald]

even then wont it be 300usd or something

[cold breach]

Ooof, starting $170 USD for 16 GBs of DDR5 memory: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?cm_sp=CAT_Memory_1-_-VisNav-_-Desktop-Memory_2&N=100007611 601396890 601275375 601275378&Order=1

[barren hamlet]

god damn

[barren hamlet]

that's a big kick in the nuts

[timber herald]

i guess we just have to use ddr4 boards

[abstract thistle]

holy crap ram prices in australia is so high

[timber herald]

then those board prices will raise in price

oh god

ya ig prices gonna be high

[fringe wasp]

Look, I'm just happy I didn't have to stay up till 2am for the benchmarks like the other times

[cold breach]

DDR4 benchmarks will make it or break it for value

lol it's 2 am for me

[glad delta]

ah hello

[glad delta]

12900k ST is >1800

not the one in vide

r23

also CPUz 903 ST ambient

enjoy

[timber herald]

i mean you still need to wait for in depth benchmarks

[fringe wasp]

For sure

But I ain't fucking staying up till 2am for that

[timber herald]

just wake up at time

[fringe wasp]

fuck that

[glad delta]

Daily remindern

Dont get ddr4 on alder

This is similar to SDR>DDR

Generational leap

[cold breach]

I'll believe that when I see the DDR4 benchmarks

[glad delta]

I've got one and its about 5-8% slower in fc6

720p

We will see at launch

[timber herald]

you have a 12th gen chip?

[glad delta]

Friend does

And has tested both

But I want to see launch day reviews

Architecturally ddr4 is a massive.bottleneck

Starves cores of.memory bandwith

[misty summit]

I personally just feel like I'd majorly hate myself if I were to get a new CPU/Chipset only to stay on DDR4. Seems quite short sighted to me

[glad delta]

Correct

You're lockinh yourself onto a memory that won't be improving

[timber herald]

just realized the ddr5 linus used was cl38...?

[cold breach]

Yeah, it's the first releases of DDR5, it's not going to be the most opitmized

Takes time to figure out how to manufacture it well

[ripe carbon]

what do you expect 6000mhz cl20 ?

[cold breach]

I mean it's new stuff, people are learning

[timber herald]

hmm ya

[timber herald]

no

[timber herald]

the 12600k looking like a pretty value cpu

wonder how the non k cpus like 12400 will be like in terms of price to performance....

[cold breach]

12900K for $1500 USD, come and get it! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FXDLX95?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[abstract thistle]

oh my god

[timber herald]

nah mate

[timber herald]

how much is it supposed to be, 700usd?

[cold breach]

About that

[lyric nimbus]

any reviews yet? lol

[misty summit]

1 hour and 10 Minutes

[icy token]

mfw intel still hot af and power hungry af

pog

embargo is over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EogHCFd7w0

[forest steeple]

eh, not TOO hot for gaming atleast. + that idle power consumption is pog

like 10W vs AMD's 50W

[icy token]

where is the idle power

[forest steeple]

At the beginning of the power consumption charts

[icy token]

mb i am blind

[manic parcel]

Reviews are out

[flat vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhI9tLOg-6I

[misty summit]

reviews might be out, but decent DDR5 supply doesn't seem to be, at least in my country

[barren hamlet]

not even available at all here lol

can find 12600k's for like $400

[forest steeple]

I got 32GB of DDR5 yesterday

They're shit sticks but I got em

especially since apparently the price was raised

[misty summit]

CPU and Motherboards seem to be available at MSRP, just RAM seems hard to come by

[barren hamlet]

cheapest z690 is the z690 UD ddr4 for $230

[misty summit]

targeting the 12600k + Z690 UD DDR5 personally

[forest steeple]

I'm waiting to get my 12900k for like $300 eventually

[misty summit]

UD seems to be a great value pick according to TPU

[barren hamlet]

what do you need to cool the 12600k?

[forest steeple]

gotta offset these mobo cost

[barren hamlet]

oh man the cheapest z690 ddr5 mobo here is $420

[manic parcel]

choncky air cooler or a 240mm aio or more

[barren hamlet]

so something like the se 207 or peerless assassin

for an i5

[manic parcel]

yea...

[forest steeple]

If you game and don't push the power limits you should be fine with a mid tier cooler I think

[barren hamlet]

who doesn't push power limits

[forest steeple]

I mean, it looked to pull less watts during gaming according to LTT

[flat vault]

eh a $50+ air cooler probably will work

[barren hamlet]

the peerless assassin should cost less

[flat vault]

yeah

[misty summit]

https://global.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK620-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml have considered something like this, someone said earlier that it should be compatible

[flat vault]

Fuma 2 probably should also handle it fine

[barren hamlet]

looks kind of sick

[barren hamlet]

i'd be worried if it can't

[manic parcel]

boards in the uk are going to be an issue.

[misty summit]

TPU has the 12600k running at 66° on a U14S, Fuma 2 shouldn't have any issues

[barren hamlet]

same situation here, also 12600k's are going for about $400

[barren hamlet]

that's not a mid tier cooler for a "mid tier" cpu

[misty summit]

looks a bit better over here

[manic parcel]

yea this is going to be a problem

[manic parcel]

and ram?

[misty summit]

[manic parcel]

thats the cheapest bundle

[barren hamlet]

damn

[misty summit]

yeah, that's the issue, none available on Mindfactory thus far

[manic parcel]

wait no, 700...

fuck that

ddr4...

829 is cheapest with ddr5

[forest steeple]

the board cost are honestly the biggest issue for ADL

5600x is obsoleted by 12600k except the boards cost a minimum of like $200 more

[misty summit]

Honestly, I'm not in a hurry, so might as well wait for more stuff to become available

don't really feel like buying some random RAM kit out of desperation

[barren hamlet]

why not wait for zen 3d or b660

[misty summit]

because both are considerably far away and noone has a clue how prices will look

[forest steeple]

these kits were like half the price of anything else lol

[misty summit]

[forest steeple]

cuz I already expect zen 3d to have a startig price of $1000

[misty summit]

how much did you pay for them?

[barren hamlet]

that's depressing

[forest steeple]

it was like $58 for 8GB. I got 32GB but Amazon returns are EZ af

[misty summit]

seems reasonable overall. I'll probably just wait a few weeks and hope CPU availability won't be an issue

[forest steeple]

yea but like the price for it apparently went up already.

It's a bottom barrel kit but it was already increased by $10

[barren hamlet]

12900k hits 70 C with the liquid freezer II 360...

hot hot hot

[forest steeple]

in what load? In gaming i thought it used less power than a 5900x

[barren hamlet]

blender

[forest steeple]

Power consumption is always a shit show to measure

According to GN 12900k used less power than a 5950x in blender

[pseudo furnace]

Power benchmarks are always a shitshow

[lyric nimbus]

you guys reckon an AK620 can properly cool a 12600K?

[flat vault]

probably

it shouldnt be that hard to cool

not $30 air coolers but shouldnt require something like a D15

[pseudo furnace]

There are legit great $40 air-coolers tho, like pa120

Something high end can still be cheap

[icy token]

Be intel
Release new CPU that is faster in gaming than AMD at a better value
Stock up .055%
Be AMD
Exist
Stock up 3.5%

[barren hamlet]

Zen 3d january???
https://youtu.be/MVMz5R33X0c

[icy token]

Hopefully

Retire 5th gen, release 6th gen with better perf and keep similar pricing

[barren hamlet]

If it can't I'd be surprised

[misty summit]

I'd very much hope so

[hasty dragon]

Pagchomp

Intel is back

[glad delta]

Lmao so much cope

[lyric nimbus]

yeah AK620 is £50 here, from the testing i've seen is pretty similar to an NH-D15

the AS500 is £35 but i'm not so keen on the looks

[pseudo furnace]

@hasty dragon sus Aegis in BApO

[mint pine]

When launch?

[hasty dragon]

Look man

Major launch

I might just show up

I look at the benchmarks and go back into my hole

[mint pine]

When i9 12900k com out

[manic parcel]

depends if there is stock, right @hasty dragon

[manic parcel]

today.

[hasty dragon]

Iunno

12400 gonna be fire

[mint pine]

Ayy

[manic parcel]

any benchs yet?

[hasty dragon]

No but based on 12600K

It's looking tasty

Idk how ddr5 oc is gonna pan out but adl is a great start

[barren hamlet]

If it is just the 12600k without oc capabilities and e cores, should it perform similarly in gaming?

[manic parcel]

800 pound for a base 12600k mobo bundle is a little harsh

[hasty dragon]

Yea

[barren hamlet]

That's such a ripoff

[hasty dragon]

Idk what ddr5 pricing is looking like either

[barren hamlet]

I heard it's about 2x ddr4, not worth the performance difference for now

[glad delta]

Just wait

Don't get alder with ddr4 just wait for ddr5 price drops

[hasty dragon]

Real and raw paranoid man

[forest steeple]

That guys channel is as bad as the clickbaiters. Worse probably since

[forest steeple]

also not happening lol.

I'm pretty sure they're gonna do the 3d cache for Ryzen 9 only for consumers and I'm almost certain its gonna be a $1000 starting price

[glad delta]

Oh yeah

Its complete.hopium

They sold out 5950x at what, 700?

What was msrp

[forest steeple]

simply because of the complexity, the extra die space, extra processing, and all the dead chips that go along with that new process

[glad delta]

Yep

[forest steeple]

5950x MSRP is $800

[glad delta]

Oh wow

1000 minimum for 5950xt

[forest steeple]

not even

5900xt 1000 min

5950xt still has plenty of room to move up between TR

wasn't the last cheapest TR like $1600?

[glad delta]

Theu have no incentive to price.5950xt anywhere close to 5950x

5950x sells out easily

[glad delta]

Idk

[forest steeple]

yes so 5900xt $1000, 5950xt $1350

[glad delta]

But there's competition now

Wasn't competition for 5950x before

[forest steeple]

there wasn't competition for 5950x because amd priced it so high

[keen carbon]

I'm just out here trying to upgrade my i5 3570K and DDR3-1600 RAM

But DDR5 seems pretty unattainable and the cheapest Z690 mobo with modern IO is 300 dollars

Wondering if I should just buy a 12600K now to avoid any shortages.

And wait for the rest to go down in price and become available.

[forest steeple]

No buy it all at the same time

[barren hamlet]

interesting, i watch his tech news regardless of what the title's about, do you have any channel recommendations for tech news? i don't feel like reading

[flat vault]

either GN or HUB for tech news videos for me but I dont really use video for news

prefer reading

[flat vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkHMh8sUSuM

[boreal belfry]

When alder mobile launches.
Is this thread going to be reopened?

[barren hamlet]

they don't do it daily unfortunately

i wish they did

[forest steeple]

There isn't enough valid tech news within a segment to really make videos about daily

[barren hamlet]

yeah, i want to know the rumors

[lyric nimbus]

i just get daily rumours in my google feed

[forest steeple]

Here's a rumor. Amd 3d cache isn't worth it

[pseudo furnace]

Hmm

[glad delta]

Cache is important, but more cache doesn't mean free performance in all workloads.

Otherwise my old Broadwell Xeon would be performing even better than it does, though it's cache does help.

[weary path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWsMYHHC6j4

[barren hamlet]

i'd rather not read my news if i can help it

[forest steeple]

late

[weary path]

its a day old lmfao

also, no one even posted that you cuck

[forest steeple]

[weary path]

XD

[faint ocean]

Keep things civil.

[weary path]

Aw I was just messing around

[flat vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzhwVLUVork

[glad delta]

Lol have fun with that

[pseudo furnace]

Fun with what?

[pseudo furnace]

Anyone have some z690 technical reviews?

[flat vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBFTSej-yIs

LOL why

[manic parcel]

does this graph make any sense

[flat vault]

well for one, there are other outlets that do record a few % of difference between 10 and 11 in MT tests

but GN's results show 10 being faster, or on par across the board

so what is exactly 11's scheduler doing then

[manic parcel]

I can cherry pick data too

[flat vault]

Steve straight stated R15 results are not normal tho

[manic parcel]

I know.

[flat vault]

throughout the tests 11 vs 10 is basically... no difference

not that I have a problem with it

I'm just wondering how

[manic parcel]

its a feature update.

[flat vault]

I was referring to the supposed scheduler

[manic parcel]

there is very likely very little difference

early days,

[flat vault]

which basically does nothing

yeah it's either software needs to catch up

[manic parcel]

it might help power usage

[flat vault]

Or just usual marketing BS

true

[manic parcel]

and not touch performance

[forest steeple]

Thats just one source for what he test tho. I think hwu shows win10 has some issues in some apps

And why are you posting cinebench? It either uses one core or all the cores so whats the scheduler doing there?

[flat vault]

Which is why I said that others saw a difference but GN doesn't

HUB demonstrated a 5% loss in multicore

[forest steeple]

But you posted single thread cb

[pseudo furnace]

Win11 scheduler helps determine whether to use e or p cores

If a load is using 100% of all cores, I doubt it's going to show demonstrable differences

[forest steeple]

Thread director must be better than we thought

[flat vault]

That makes a lot of sense I guess

[forest steeple]

I think a while ago inread that thread director does prioritize the P cores, then ecores, then virtual cores

So to see the value you have to be doing something that uses more than 8 threads fully but not all threads

[modest plaza]

'cept for wattage