#Intel launch event

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little marten
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Anything interesting yet

runic sapphire
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it's all been developer API stuff or whatever

tacit wigeon
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Something about being able to run Linux distros in visual studio?

runic sapphire
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embargo also dropped at the same time as the event started so you can totally just not watch the event if you want

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@tacit wigeon is that new?

tacit wigeon
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I have no idea, lol

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sounded slightly neat, but almost sounds like something that's already a thing

little marten
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Yea I'm going to catch up tomorrow

tacit wigeon
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Intel today announced its Alder Lake Core i9-12900K, 12700K, and 12600K & KF CPUs, which are intended to compete with AMD's Ryzen 5000 (Zen 3) desktop CPUs.
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If anyone wants to skip the extra crap

proven parcel
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God is this talk really just them bitching about being left out of AI research?

tardy cipher
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God there's so much fluff

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Oh the reviews are out too

proven parcel
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Yeah they got the details out the second embargo lifted.

cinder berry
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theyve got this guy about to fall over i just want to hear about the preorders

teal relic
proven parcel
tacit wigeon
proven parcel
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oh for fuck's sake de8auer

teal relic
proven parcel
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Also, embargo on reviews until the damn thing is on shelves.

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Fucking classy Intel.

dusty rock
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@little marten I'm waiting to see how questionable the benchmarks are

lapis hornet
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Intel is confident! AMD is dead! *Conditions may vary

tacit wigeon
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long boi

proven parcel
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Intel is confident*
*when people are not allowed to make informed decisions

lapis hornet
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But dont you know Zen 2/3 is a PC building disaster? And Intel is totally sniping Ryzen back to the ground?

little marten
astral compass
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is that today?

runic sapphire
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now

astral compass
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Morning brave

proven parcel
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Like to be fair they might be very good chips. What the engineers are up to isn't the same as what the marketing team is up to. But it's bad optics.

teal relic
astral compass
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I am going to try to be a nicer person to you brave

runic sapphire
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linus video went up 15 seconds before event even started @little marten

astral compass
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Fuck linus

tacit wigeon
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look how fast it is

proven parcel
lapis hornet
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Intel marketing team has been the definition of shitty and entitled for the past few generations.

tacit wigeon
little marten
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I'm watching avatar with the kid then will catch up

dusty rock
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@little marten dae remember principled technologies

tacit wigeon
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looks like the benchmarks are a separate embargo

teal relic
lapis hornet
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Where

dusty rock
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@little marten you should watch dune with the kid instead

proven parcel
lapis hornet
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2:46 into GN video

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they straight said review embargo is release day

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so no reviews today at all

little marten
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When is release

proven parcel
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The '16 core' high tier i9 that's 8 big + 8 little is super weird.

runic sapphire
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Why?

tacit wigeon
runic sapphire
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It's different, yeah

lapis hornet
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yield reasons probably?

runic sapphire
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but the performance should very much back it up

astral compass
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are little cores just atom cores?

runic sapphire
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"just"

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yes technically

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but each of them is basically a skylake core

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from my understanding

proven parcel
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I mean it's weird to market it like that. Like, a 5950X is 16 full cores.

astral compass
proven parcel
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Curious to see how it works out.

runic sapphire
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in performance

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they're basically a skylake core each

astral compass
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I see

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beyond a certain point core used to outperform atom

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power wise

lapis hornet
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most interesting thing on review day would be Windows 10 performance

runic sapphire
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I disagree

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Windows 10 performance is irrelevant

lapis hornet
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performance itself probably wont be a shocker

tropic fog
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Is it sleepepe or

lapis hornet
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which is why I said interesting

runic sapphire
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CHIPLETS

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THATS THE AMD WORD

tropic fog
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is intel using glue now

runic sapphire
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@tropic fog dunno they're still doing technobabble

tropic fog
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fucking losers

teal relic
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@runic sapphire I wanna see how MATLAB does with it LUL

runic sapphire
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they aren't doing chiplets yet but they're moving towards it

lapis hornet
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AMD cant compete with monolithic production capacity -some Intel shill

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Intel: how about I do that myself

tropic fog
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RDNA 3 is chiplets right?

lapis hornet
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we dont know actually

tropic fog
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Gosh 2022 EOY gonna be the poggers upgrades

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chiplet 5nm RDNA, chiplet 5nm Zen

lapis hornet
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RDNA3 has very little concrete detail

tropic fog
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Intel releasing skylake again

proven parcel
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spacelake

lapis hornet
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beyondlake

drifting crescent
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Slothy

proven parcel
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But yeah what's interesting here is that from an optics standpoint, it can't be 'a little better'. If it doesn't blow the doors off Zen 3 it's going to be a bit of a PR miss.

drifting crescent
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"glue" would be the intel word, yea?

runic sapphire
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I'm not well versed enough to answer that

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soz

drifting crescent
lapis hornet
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Of fucking course it has to be like 15% faster than Zen 3 which is over a year old when this thing hits streets

runic sapphire
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I like the vibes of this stream

lapis hornet
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and probably will do so with double the power draw again

runic sapphire
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it feels very not-intel

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it's good

proven parcel
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Not just that but like, it's meant to be don't call it a comeback type stuff.

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Gotta be an assertion.

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Embargo until review day, rumours largely on the ball I think.

tacit wigeon
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Microsoft guy: You can have gpus on win 11

runic sapphire
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he's right

tacit wigeon
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It's like they planned this bit before they dropped android support from the official win 11 launch

teal relic
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works pretty well

runic sapphire
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just slips the CPU right into his pocket

tacit wigeon
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I wonder how OC'ing works with this big/little stuff

runic sapphire
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2 different multipliers and voltages

teal relic
tacit wigeon
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gimme the mobile specs

teal relic
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wait if they little cores are skylake do they have AVX?

runic sapphire
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they aren't skylake

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they're gracemont

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they're effectively skylake in IPC

tacit wigeon
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huh

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this is all the mobile info they have

teal relic
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uhh that lists AVX2 support on gracemont wut

cinder berry
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preorders up yet?

tacit wigeon
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microsoft and intel are in cahoots

teal relic
tacit wigeon
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I'm referrin to hte pic

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lol

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They put windows inside the chip

proven parcel
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EVEN ON LINUX YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE WINDOWS

tacit wigeon
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is the thread director a separate chip?

runic sapphire
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it wouldn't be

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it'll just be part of the cpu

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WOAH HOW DID THE CURSOR MOVE

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NOBODY TOUCH THE MOUSE???

tacit wigeon
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SPOOKY

runic sapphire
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huh they just showed an application swapping from one set of cores to another

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without breaking

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right?

tacit wigeon
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sounds too simple

runic sapphire
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omg they got adele?

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crazy

tacit wigeon
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wonder what the temps are looking like

cinder berry
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I DONT WNAT TO PREORDER FROM AMAZONG

tacit wigeon
runic sapphire
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"It has PCIe Express 5.0, so all the modders are happy."

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Dell what are you talking about

tacit wigeon
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"emi shielded glass panel"

cinder berry
tacit wigeon
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it's just specs at this point

runic sapphire
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Intel provided benchmarks

tacit wigeon
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eh

runic sapphire
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Which isn't the same as actually having benchmarks

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Dell please stop calling me a gamer

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I detest that word

tacit wigeon
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Really

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intel

runic sapphire
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oh this is fun

proud atlas
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what a big bi

astral compass
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why is overclocking in this

proud atlas
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big boi

astral compass
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who the fuck cares

runic sapphire
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Because it's FUN

proud atlas
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#1 OCer

tacit wigeon
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"so everyone can unlock the performance of their processor"

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Yes, everyone keeps LN2 on hand

runic sapphire
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He was talking about XTU

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which is their overclocking utility

tacit wigeon
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ah

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Didn't even mount their m.2

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smh

proud atlas
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tfw not intel ssd

runic sapphire
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jraphics

tacit wigeon
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Giraffics

runic sapphire
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GAMERS

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this lady is not on the same energy level as everyone else that they've had on so far

teal relic
tacit wigeon
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I mean , I play satisfactory on XE

proud atlas
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wait wtf? Pricing is SPICY

tacit wigeon
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mobile xe

proud atlas
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$590 for 12900k

tacit wigeon
runic sapphire
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xess

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ssex

teal relic
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AMD price cut incoming?

tacit wigeon
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amd 6000 incoming

teal relic
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if so I could totally do with a 5900x......

proud atlas
cinder berry
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590$ is good or bad?

teal relic
astral compass
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hi flower

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how are you

proud atlas
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hi bob

tacit wigeon
proud atlas
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mad I don't have a 12900k yet

runic sapphire
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$590 is up quite a bit right?

astral compass
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I love you flower ❤️

proud atlas
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no its like $40 more than a 11900k

tacit wigeon
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early adopter fun

cinder berry
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found the first preorder deal

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650$ for 12900k

runic sapphire
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CROSSFIRE

tacit wigeon
astral compass
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wasn't this called hydra

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or something like that?

runic sapphire
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deep link

cinder berry
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on newegg

tacit wigeon
runic sapphire
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breaking an overclocking record live on stream is such a fun thing

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I love that

cinder berry
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could we PLEASE

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get something for EU

proven parcel
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If there was ever a time to let a design linger a little it's now.

tardy cipher
runic sapphire
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i dunno i forgot

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lol

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some performance record

proud atlas
cinder berry
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amd 6000 not coming soon anyways

proud atlas
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or better yet, disable the p-cores lol

teal relic
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wait is Intel 7 10nm? it is right?

runic sapphire
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it's intel 7

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the name is intel 7

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the process is intel 7

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the node is intel 7

teal relic
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didn't they rename their 10nm process to Intel 7 though

runic sapphire
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they did

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and now it's intel 7

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hey it's 5G talk

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wouldn't be a modern product announcement without mentioning 5G

astral gazelle
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Honestly, looking decent so far, pricing's a tad high but given the economy and shortage issues, not unexpected.

runic sapphire
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I've stopped watching the stream

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watching the linus video now

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Hey so alder lake can change memory clockspeed in-OS

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without a restart or anything

teal relic
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does XTU do that?

runic sapphire
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basically allows the OS to swap between stock and XMP speeds

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no it's automatic

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So when it's needed it can give more clockspeed and voltage to the RAM

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and drop it back down when it's not

tacit wigeon
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That's done on mobile now

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But it's not xmp thou

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Just variable ram freq

abstract plaza
tardy cipher
valid vortex
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the TDP and "max boost power" is hilarious

cunning ginkgo
tacit wigeon
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we don't have any

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benchmarks are embargo'd until nov 4, release day

cunning ginkgo
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ugh

dusty rock
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@runic sapphire you mean 10nm superfin

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Lel

proud atlas
valid vortex
cunning ginkgo
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i didnt ask for intel benches lol

valid vortex
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there have been a few rumored benches but none of them are very credible

tranquil crescent
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Has anyone linked this yet?

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whoops wrong link

valid vortex
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Ill take half the power consumption over a little extra performance thank you

tacit wigeon
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still rumors at this point

valid vortex
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they havent seemed to make any big efficiency leaps reguarding performance cores

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the e core thing only applies to idle states

tacit wigeon
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I'm only interested in mobile anyways

valid vortex
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and ddr5's variable frequency should also give the next gen mobile processors a battery boost

tacit wigeon
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that's not new thou

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that's been a thing for a long time at least on mobile

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my 6600u thinkpad does that

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my framework does that with the 1165g7

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lol

valid vortex
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gpu's do it but for cpu memory idk

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sodimm ddr4 does that?

tacit wigeon
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Yes

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Ima pulling it up rn

valid vortex
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oh ok

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DIdnt know that

tranquil crescent
tacit wigeon
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this is my 3200mhz sodimm

tranquil crescent
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This is the part that had me lol'ing the hardestBut at 5.20 GHz, Intel's Core i9-12900K can score 851 points in the CPU-Z single-threaded benchmark as well as 11986.9 points in CPU-Z multi-thread benchmark. By contrast, AMD's flagship Ryzen 5950X CPU scores 648 and 11906, respectively. Unfortunately, it was not revealed which OS and what kind of memory was used with the Alder Lake CPU. Previously, the Core i9-12900K beat the Ryzen 9 5950X in Geekbench.

tacit wigeon
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it'll fluctuate between that at 1600

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Fucking EIGHTY points for triple the power

tacit wigeon
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I have no need for a better desktop cpu at this point

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so mobile is where it's at

tranquil crescent
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If this is actually true though

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How is intel going to compete?

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I mean serious question

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Who is going to buy a CPU that is triple the energy cost for lke .1% improvement to peformance

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You'll never notice that

valid vortex
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chem class has the same meme omfg

tranquil crescent
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LMFAO

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thats actually hilarious

valid vortex
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talking about molecules and valience electrons lolll

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thanos is too memeable

tranquil crescent
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I mean the worse thing too is that that 80 point difference is literally within margin of error

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Exactly

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LOL

valid vortex
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11th and 12th gen intel has been dissapointing

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I will stick with amd cpu's until intel figures out how to make a efficient product

tranquil crescent
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10th and 11th gen has been a shit show

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there was no performance delta between 9 and 10

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And its why Apple skipped it entirely

valid vortex
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yeahh.... no

tranquil crescent
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LOL

valid vortex
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and goes on to design a whole new cpu from the ground up

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that's how you know intel is sad

tacit wigeon
tranquil crescent
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My heart kinda hurts for intel, but not really

tacit wigeon
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Apple wanted to dip for a long time

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they saw the stagnation

tranquil crescent
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Oh of course they did

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There's a report out there somewhere that states they wanted to get out as early as skylake

valid vortex
tacit wigeon
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the back and forth is good

tranquil crescent
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Oh absolutely

tacit wigeon
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I doubt you'll ever see me owning an apple device

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Period

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Who knows how long though

tacit wigeon
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I've thought about finding a used m1

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just for writing

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the battery life is crazy

tranquil crescent
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Yeah

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I have a mac mini that I use mostly as a media machine

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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But I owned an M1 13 inch MBP for a short bit of time

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Also

tacit wigeon
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in my life

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I know I can at least write using it

tranquil crescent
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Can I say its fucking hilarious that we are talking about Apple in here instead of Intel

tacit wigeon
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lol

tranquil crescent
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lol

valid vortex
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basic things like dragging windows to use split screen and turning off mouse acceleration

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you just, cant do

tranquil crescent
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Its pretty busy in there ngl

valid vortex
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eh nvm there people there already

tacit wigeon
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It's fine

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it's still on topic

tranquil crescent
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To be fair, the topic is related because we are comparing processors

tacit wigeon
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Apple told intel to fuck off, that's how intel got to where they are now

valid vortex
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^^^

tranquil crescent
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I just find it amusing is all

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Ah ok

tacit wigeon
valid vortex
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go to newegg and seartch up things like 12900k, 12700k, lga 1700 motherboard or ddr5 2x16

tacit wigeon
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it's been like this since about 12:30

valid vortex
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I am more than happy with my 5800x and wont up upgrading until college

tranquil crescent
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Im still on a 6700k

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fuckin lol

tacit wigeon
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my 3950x is doing fine

tranquil crescent
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I got a 16 inch M1 Max 32 core GPU MBP last night

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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its sad that this thing is more powerful than my desktop

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Granted, it was like 2.5x the cost

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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But the fact that its like 4x as powerfu

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lol.

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In stuff thats native for ARM, yeah its nuts

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Its just sad so few have jumped onboard

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I think itll come eventually with windows on arm becoming much more of a thing

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Its not though

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Its really nice

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Idk

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The bigger issue is metal

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and coding for it

valid vortex
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or alt tab

tranquil crescent
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Er yes?

valid vortex
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alt tab seems like such an easy thing to do

tranquil crescent
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I do it all the time 😛

valid vortex
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instead of showing the actual window looks like it shows the app icon

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like

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what

tranquil crescent
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Oh yeah

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Idk that doesnt bother me too much

tacit wigeon
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that adobe premiere benchmark they did on screen was sketchy af

valid vortex
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I have 3 browser windows that I switch between alot because I like to keep things organised.

tacit wigeon
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I think it was premiere

tranquil crescent
valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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If true, not bad

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Oh wait

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Heres the catch

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Edit. Also 12900K using 4400Mhz DDR5 Vs 5950x and 11900k on 3200Mhz DDR4.```
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So its garbage marketing as usual

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Carry on.

valid vortex
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well, all of those benches are useless

tranquil crescent
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YEP

tacit wigeon
tranquil crescent
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lmfao

tacit wigeon
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They did a 5950x vs 12900k encoding thing

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but it was almost like a screen recording being broadcast to the workstations

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they tried to play it off as real time

tranquil crescent
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Oh god no

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Show me this

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I need to see this for my daily cringe

tacit wigeon
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It was in the main broadcast

tranquil crescent
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I didnt watch it

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Oh good lord

valid vortex
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I dont watch intel broadcasts anymore

tranquil crescent
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Im gonna feel so sorry for these fuckers when they realize that the performance jump is like 5-10% at best

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laugh my fucking ass off

valid vortex
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last time nvidia released new skews, amd released a ton of cool things

intel: so uh. we trying? lol

tacit wigeon
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about 35min in

tranquil crescent
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Ty

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11900k and 5950X 3200Mhz DDR4.

To be blank, shows actually how competitive 11900K is. But give the 11900K the DDR5 and the gap is even smaller.

Maybe too early to say. But with that laid out. And my guess is the 12900K running at 241w TDP mode.

It's less Groundbreaking than expected. Less speed In the core. more efficiency and performance on controllers and systems.```
valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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DDR5 at 4400MHz???

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??????????????????

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That's SLOW.

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For DDR5

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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To their credit that's extremely slow DDR5, but why in the world are they using that?

tacit wigeon
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I'm calling it now, PCIe gen 5 is gonna be a meme

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for a while

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It's already getting thrown around for marketing

tranquil crescent
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the 3200MHz for DDR4 is fair

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Most kits are sold at that speed

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But yeah, we dont know the timings

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Which could make a significant performance delta, esp for the ryzen system

valid vortex
valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Yeah Im excited for that

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Hence my name

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😛

valid vortex
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actual innovation instead of saying they just believe in innovation

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like wtf does "we believe in the next generation of computing to make the world better"

tranquil crescent
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the 3D stacked cache will be interesting to see what sort of performance increase we can get

valid vortex
tacit wigeon
tranquil crescent
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Ok

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So I think Im at the video thing you were talking about

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What are they doing here again?

valid vortex
tacit wigeon
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Gen 5 is gonna be a meme for quite some time

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Yo what the fuck was that picture export thing?

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Is that what you were talking about?

tacit wigeon
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I think it was that

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It made no sense

tranquil crescent
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Yeah thats what I mean

tacit wigeon
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I think it was a vid export?

tranquil crescent
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Like what the hell did I just watch?

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They didn't show ANYTHING

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LMAO

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Shes like "yeah and we did 30% faster"

valid vortex
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I can't be bothered to actually look

tranquil crescent
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They load up pictures to be bulk exported

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and then the Intel system "completes" it 30% faster

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With literally no progress bar or anything, that I could see

tranquil crescent
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I actually don't get what I just watched

valid vortex
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isnt that drive read write speed testing??

tranquil crescent
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Like, there was nothing there

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Im actually seriously so confused

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Like nothing happened and then they showed pictures and it was "boom its done and its 30% faster!11!1!"

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lol

tranquil crescent
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Pretty much yeah

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Seriously go to it

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its at 35:30

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Is when it starts, or shortly after that

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Maybe 36

valid vortex
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ok Ill check it out

tranquil crescent
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Seriously I'm SO confused

valid vortex
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wth does purposeful and adaptive mean?!

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unleashing creative potential

tranquil crescent
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buzzwords

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lol

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I guess on the "plus" side Intel stock is down

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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I'm just so fucking confused by what I watched

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Im literally this guy

tranquil crescent
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Im not retarded right?

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Like

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What did they show?

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I'm SERIOUSLY so confused on what that was

valid vortex
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wait wtf?

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there's no export times

tranquil crescent
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I KNOW

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EXACTLY

valid vortex
tranquil crescent
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Its "Hey we are doing an export" "Oh hey its done and its 3x faster!"

valid vortex
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wtf is a preiminent platform for creators?!

tranquil crescent
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That was the gap

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I'm genuinely SO fucking confused at what the fuck that was lmfao

valid vortex
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YEAH

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LITERALLY LMAO

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@tacit wigeon Is this what you were talking about??

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I think intel is on more drugs than the kid in build advice 1 saying to get ddr3 on ryzen 5600x to save money

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"INTEL IS BACK!!!" but the product hasn't released lol..

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more or less

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So 241 watts

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for the 19

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out of the box no OC

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hit xmp and it goes brr

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Another socket KEKW

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To be fair, this one does need it

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But lmfao

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new ram and power layouts

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Yeah

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Its needed, but its really amusing

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intel doing ihs length comparison?

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I got 45 mm

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_ H U G E_

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lol

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wait nvm amd thicc

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so intel is longer but am4 is thicc

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So when is AMD's event?

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we shall peer into the crystal ball and find out when

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They haven't stated when yet?

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Not that I know of

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Have they stated that they want to release by the end of the year?

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Oh my god lmao.

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I mean given the cost, that's actually pretty good

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But then you look at the Apple chips and uh... Yeah...

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it needs a diet

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I wonder if the mac mini will get the M1 Pro/Max chips

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I'd imagine they will

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But at what price point? Apple could potentially steal both Intel and AMD's lunch there

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personally

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Desktop CPUs are boring

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I want to see mobile chips

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desktops are great for big numbers

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mobile differs per model so greatly that it is hard to do anything accurately

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I want to see the big/small architecture come into mobile hittin hard

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Gimme that 2x battery life

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M1 apple is honestly amazing especially compared to the chips they would have used if they stayed intel

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it makes the buying experience stupidly simple

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Yeah and I can see a mac mini potentially have some sort of effect as well

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I know the Air sold the best, but the mac mini did decently

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with windows and android I have a few choices

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crap I zoned out on my chemistry class. now I have no clue what they're doing

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Ill watch the recording or something

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I didn't pay much attention in chemistry

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No idea

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and wtf is bannerlord

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that's where I kinda dropped out

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the "stunning visuals" look 6 years old

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the classic "blurry image" "less blurry image"

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just like the shit from 60 > 144

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and they didnt even show comparison

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they just said "wow it runs well"

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omfg

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they put a qr code on screen instead of putting in description