Apple event

[stone mantle]

21hour battery life??

[trim flare]

it's been a long time since apple made a professional laptop

[worthy violet]

honestly I think it's pretty hideous

[midnight willow]

Wait all that notch only for a 1080p selfie camera?

[stone mantle]

"pretty" LMFOA

[midnight willow]

[brittle mango]

3 FUCKING PRO DISPLAY XDR'S

[narrow yoke]

YEP

LOL

[jade token]

XDDDD

[brittle mango]

NOT EVEN DOING ANYTHING

[fringe kelp]

yup 😎

[static latch]

Who approved this voice over

[eager hearth]

if it's a 5600M and 4x it's a 3090 tho

[brittle mango]

THATS 15000 DOLLARS

[jade token]

APPLE EVENT SADED THEIR MAC PRO

[worthy violet]

that notch is discusting

[eager hearth]

Mfw apple has the fastest GPU in the world

[narrow yoke]

This is insane.

[eager hearth]

[narrow yoke]

Integrated? Maybe

lololol

[jade token]

APPLE could literally remove the camera from the laptop

[trim flare]

which one the intel one or the m1 one?

[jade token]

and just selll a seperate camera

[narrow yoke]

14 inch

[jade token]

for extra money

[brittle mango]

[narrow yoke]

1999

[eager hearth]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-5600m.c3612

MFW 1999

[trim flare]

I was right on price

[narrow yoke]

16 inch is 2499

[brittle mango]

1999

[narrow yoke]

LOLLL

[stone mantle]

8tb storage holy shit

[narrow yoke]

SAME PRICE

[trim flare]

WHAT

[brittle mango]

AKSKJDFJKDF

[narrow yoke]

HAHAHAHHAHHA

[silk bloom]

Dell XPS and Precision laptop lines have a smaller top bezel and still jammed a Windows hello camera ffs

[trim flare]

$2500

[jade token]

HAHAHAHA

WTF

[trim flare]

that's not bad at all

[narrow yoke]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

[upbeat vale]

wooow

[narrow yoke]

SAME FUCKING PRICE LMAO.

[worthy violet]

Asus can do a webcam and facial recognition in this? and Apple does what

[trim flare]

I thought it would be $3000

[silk bloom]

Ive laugh.jpg

[stone mantle]

wut where does it say the price

[brittle mango]

TIM APPLE

[trim flare]

look how dated that old design looked

[stone mantle]

next week???

[upbeat vale]

no new Mac Mini?

[narrow yoke]

Sweet jesus christ

No mac mini? D:

[stone mantle]

is that third laptop new

[brittle mango]

that face fits this entire event

[worthy violet]

I'm not a fan of the new MacBooks

[narrow yoke]

Here's whats even crazier

[trim flare]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-harold-smile-fake-gif-21831073

[worthy violet]

that's the ugliest thing i've seen

[silk bloom]

the looks of that thing ffs

[narrow yoke]

We've already seen the A15

[worthy violet]

it's foul

[jade token]

my eyes can see deepfake

[narrow yoke]

And we know what the gains from the A14 to A15 are

[brittle mango]

TIM APPLE LOOKS LIKE HE IS CRINGING

[midnight willow]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-cook-tim-cook-apple-cant-wait-gif-21243672

[narrow yoke]

So M2 Pro/Max is gonna be even more wild

[stone mantle]

tim cook bout to dance

[brittle mango]

do my lil dancy dance

[stone mantle]

hes gonna do the macarena

[narrow yoke]

Holy sweet fuck.

[brittle mango]

THIS IS THE END?

[fringe kelp]

lol

[brittle mango]

THERE IS NO MORE?!

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

[worthy violet]

again, if asus can do this with face recognition and apple can't do it even with a big ass notch, why is it so fucking ugly?

[narrow yoke]

Ok so like 4 times the performance a 1660Ti is a 2080?

Something like that?

[stone mantle]

face rec on that is probably shit though

[worthy violet]

nope, I own a UX534

[eager hearth]

according to tpu it's a 3090

[worthy violet]

it's awesome

[eager hearth]

pog

[worthy violet]

never failed for me once

[eager hearth]

Forget building a pc

[narrow yoke]

Im sorry what? lmao.

[stone mantle]

no but the security on it probably not so good

[eager hearth]

buy an m1 max

[silk bloom]

XPS 15 said hi as well, while packing 3050ti

[brittle mango]

heres my take away

event was ok, laughed a bit, still waiting for ipod 8th gen

[manic sedge]

Eh useful if you have apps and workloads that scale on Apple silicone other than that pointless

[fringe kelp]

its not possible for the performance to scale like that in every given situation, the 4x 5600M is probably based on some crappy synth benchmark

[eager hearth]

https://www.apple.com/us/shop/goto/store

store is up

[worthy violet]

I belly laughed at the macbooks webcame

[hexed sage]

@narrow yoke@eager hearth I assume that in raw benchmarks the score will be very high because of the insane memory bandwidth. I presume more realistic scenarios will put it at a more reasonable level of performance

[worthy violet]

seriosly

fucking hell apple

you made me laugh

[narrow yoke]

This is

I mean

[trim flare]

$5900 maxed out

[worthy violet]

memes will be made about that webcam

[narrow yoke]

Unless you need VERY specific

windows apps

[jade token]

WTF THAT IS A MACPRO PRICE

[narrow yoke]

Jesus.

[tight hearth]

Yeah but you know what the Mac has that the xps doesn’t? A good webcam 😐

[upbeat vale]

oooh, the Max is available in the 14"

[midnight willow]

Come back in 2022 when we actually add FaceID in the notch and make you feel bad.

[static latch]

for the 16

[eager hearth]

mfw 6k to max the 14"

[upbeat vale]

thats fucking dope

[static latch]

wait

[eager hearth]

but holy fucking shit

you can put 8 TB

[silk bloom]

barely

[eager hearth]

8 FUCKING TBN OF STORAGE

[jade token]

at least

[static latch]

for the 16"

[worthy violet]

speaking of the envy with a thinner bezel and a 1440p webcam...

[jade token]

they brought back hdmi and magsafe

[manic sedge]

And so stealable

[trim flare]

$6100 maxed out

[jade token]

that is good to know

[eager hearth]

Is there a laptop with 8TB of SSD aside from Apple?

[stone mantle]

buhuuu so unexpected

[manic sedge]

It's new magsafe it's not a good thing

[narrow yoke]

Someone @ me the answer to this. You cannot compare benchmarks of different render engines right? I.e, Comparing scores from Metal to OpenGL = bad right?

[eager hearth]

like holy shit how many chips is 8tb

[jade token]

yeah

but hdmi back tho

[worthy violet]

yeah

[jade token]

honestly

[trim flare]

Can it still charge via usb c?

[jade token]

winner of this year for apple is the ipad mini

honestly

[worthy violet]

store's not up in the UK yet

[manic sedge]

At a power level lower than magsafe

[worthy violet]

yes

[stone mantle]

anyone that can give me the link for the new macbook?

[narrow yoke]

AW FUCK

[upbeat vale]

They didn't mention USB-C charging

[stone mantle]

yes they did

[narrow yoke]

THE 16 INCH DOESNT COME WITH THE PRO MAX 😦

[worthy violet]

oh

[trim flare]

They have a cut down version as well

[worthy violet]

yeah

[manic sedge]

They did

[upbeat vale]

They did?

[trim flare]

basee is 8 core 14 cpu

[upbeat vale]

I missed that.

[manic sedge]

Yup

[trim flare]

upgrade is 10 -16

[tight hearth]

Who needs USB c charging when we can have magnets 🧲

[manic sedge]

For thunderbolt docks

[worthy violet]

https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/14-inch

[jade token]

https://tenor.com/view/physics-magnetic-force-north-blue-gif-20641072

[narrow yoke]

The website is lagging so bad right now omg loool

[worthy violet]

that's your interente

[stone mantle]

jesus christ the 8tb of storage is 2.2k$ alone

[worthy violet]

it starts at 2000

[jade token]

yeah like wtf

is it like firecuda 530 pro

[worthy violet]

not too insanely expensive

[upbeat vale]

The store page is struggling it seems

I wonder if these will be popular?

[narrow yoke]

Nah its not my internet

[stone mantle]

it looks so old but so new at the same time

[trim flare]

Compared to the old shit they made

[worthy violet]

really>

[narrow yoke]

Does the 14 inch get the pro max?

[summer pike]

Rats. Was hoping the stuff will trickle down to MBA.

Guess I'll wait

[fringe kelp]

you realise they also sell trolley wheels for £700

[stone mantle]

like jeez

[tight hearth]

That’s not bad if it’s all nvme and on a single board

[trim flare]

the late intel apple laptops were terrible

[narrow yoke]

Everything else is loading just fine

[brittle mango]

ok but when are we getting ipod classic 8th gen

[jade token]

hdmi back tho 😄

[trim flare]

Jesus fucking store is getting ddosed

[stone mantle]

it looks so oldddd

[worthy violet]

some parents are gonna have their cards maxed out tonight

[tight hearth]

Straight out of 2010 💀

[jade token]

i really prefer that

[trim flare]

parents?

[narrow yoke]

Yeah the store is getting straight bombarded with traffic hhahahhahahahhaha

[jade token]

hdmi and sd card is back

finally can be usefull

[worthy violet]

by their fanboy kids

[trim flare]

These are professional laptops

[brittle mango]

web servers are having more traffic then the apple store irl on black friday

[worthy violet]

people will buy them

they will

[sharp gorge]

LBSi is right, my friend says he's gonna buy one

[trim flare]

that's the difference between buying your kid a $3000 covid priced all in one and a $3000 laptop?

[upbeat vale]

No no no, only spoiled children buy Apples pro hardware.

[sharp gorge]

and he's gonna use it for like hw lmfao

[stone mantle]

"Professional laptop" normal people are gonna buy these

[upbeat vale]

That is why it is so expensive.

gosh

[worthy violet]

the x wasn't really meant to sell more than the 8

but it did

[manic sedge]

Not for the target audience, it'll be for the brat traget

[jade token]

bruh 6k i buy a 3090 build with threaripper

[trim flare]

How are people bashing this

[jade token]

true

[trim flare]

This literally destroys any other laptop on the market

[jade token]

anyways threadripper better than m1 anyways 🙂

[stone mantle]

apple never seems to get the stuff to the right audiences lmfao

[trim flare]

not in single core

[upbeat vale]

[sharp gorge]

they appeal to their opposite audience

[worthy violet]

except for true extreme gaming

[jade token]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5633664

[narrow yoke]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3541175

OK so heres the OpenCL score for the 5600M. Its ~41k. Multiply that by 4 for the performance on the Pro Max. That's fucking 164,000 points. What the fuck dude.

[trim flare]

gaming is a far bigger waste of money than a professional workstation or laptop

[stone mantle]

thread ripper is a giant cpu, a bunch of cooling needed, versus a small cpu with almost no cooling needed

[worthy violet]

X was meant to be a like anniversary edition device, but everyone

[jade token]

64 cores vs 10

[manic sedge]

But will it mine

[worthy violet]

hmm 'buildapc'

server

hmm

[stone mantle]

and the m1 still probably gets close to the threadripper in terms of single core

[trim flare]

I am curious of this

I think it would be the best mining card

but apple has the power to actually just straight out disable it in the os

[jade token]

give the same optimisation on the threadripper and inovations will die for 5 years

[worthy violet]

i am not personally a fan of miners

just

[stone mantle]

theyve probably disabled mining on the laptops already

[worthy violet]

no

[worthy violet]

Apple would absolutely done that. They don't want to be the company making 'mining laptops'

that's against their reputation

[stone mantle]

yeah + stock would be gone of they were used for mining

[worthy violet]

they'd lock it down

[narrow yoke]

So now Im curious on what they are gonna call the chip in the Mac Pro? The M1 Pro Max? XD

[manic sedge]

Looks like you can but it's shit

[trim flare]

interesting

[manic sedge]

Dead,

[trim flare]

I'm sure apple was very aware of mining

[upbeat vale]

Monterey release on the 25th

[narrow yoke]

Oh my god

You can get a 14 inch with the pro max chip

Bro what the fuck

Apple M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 24-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine```

Oh interesting

[stone mantle]

imagine iphones with the m1 max

[worthy violet]

were you not paying attention?

[worthy violet]

explosions in the distance

[eager hearth]

I do want to say

[trim flare]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger-hopes-to-win-back-apple-by-outcompeting-it-11634515343

[eager hearth]

For 2k, at least it startys with 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage

[trim flare]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-harold-smile-fake-gif-21831073

[narrow yoke]

Yeah that ain't happening now hahahahha

[midnight willow]

I know it's a nitpick but man these protruding feet on the new MBP are bothering me lol

I always liked how Macbook's sat flush on surfaces

[worthy violet]

yeah, for 2K i expect nothing less

[narrow yoke]

The entire design is bothering me. Everything feels so weird about it. But that power...

[stone mantle]

it looks like a 2014 macbook

or like 2008

idk anything about macbooks

[midnight willow]

Power so good it makes up for a terrible design

[narrow yoke]

Yeah 2008

Before the unibody

[worthy violet]

when my ZenBook was £1300 normally, and i got it for 850 on prime day and it has the same ram and storage

[narrow yoke]

It looks like a mix of the pre and post unibody deisngs

[trim flare]

I mean it looks like it's actually designed to not run at 85C all the time

it looks like the powerbooks

[narrow yoke]

LOL that too

[trim flare]

like "modern" macbook pro design wasn't great

[worthy violet]

yeah, because IT SHOULDN'T

[narrow yoke]

I do think this is regression in terms of looks, but I still do like it.

[trim flare]

These probably still won't run hot most of the time

[midnight willow]

The two-tone chassis and keyboard design is also interesting.

[worthy violet]

it's not a good thing that their new model doesn't overheat - it's what should have been for all of them

[narrow yoke]

now its time to wait for benchmarks and see how scary this thing actually is

[midnight willow]

Makes the keyboard stick out like a sore thumb.

[trim flare]

All this being said, a macbook air is still almost half the price of the macbook pro

[narrow yoke]

Exactly what I was thinking

[worthy violet]

it's reminding me of my elitebook

[midnight willow]

I think the most recent Macbook designs are peak Apple laptop design

The slim ones. Those are nice aesthetics wise.

This thing is dirt ugly imo

[narrow yoke]

Huh interesting

[trim flare]

@upbeat vale which one will you buy

[narrow yoke]

Some people might care about this

But the Pro Max forces you to 32GB of RAM

[upbeat vale]

Depends if I can persuade Uncle Jeff to buy me one

[narrow yoke]

In the 16 inch

[worthy violet]

oh ffs

[manic sedge]

The air.

[trim flare]

That will be a pretty big stretch

[worthy violet]

you'll actually spend that much

damn

[upbeat vale]

Probably

[worthy violet]

it's so hideous as well

it's powerful

[trim flare]

Honestly the only downsides of the air are the lack of displays

[manic sedge]

Because what workload do you do that scales beyond the air

[fringe kelp]

nah

[worthy violet]

but upgrade-less and the ugly duckling

[trim flare]

high refresh and xdr aren't really features to except on a sub $2000 laptop

[worthy violet]

that's the most iconic

[midnight willow]

It's beautiful

[worthy violet]

uh i beg to differ

[hexed sage]

I have an elitebook too, early model, love it.

[narrow yoke]

High refresh rate can be found in ~1k priced laptops. The displays outside of that (along with build quality) are overall garbage though

[worthy violet]

the 840 G1 looks pretty good despite being 7 nearly 8 years old

[worthy violet]

uhm gaming laptops

[trim flare]

I mean compared to premium windows laptops

[worthy violet]

120hz is almost the standard

[fringe kelp]

high refresh rate can be found on a £150 mobile phone

[trim flare]

that aren't built like shit

[narrow yoke]

Yeah gaming yes

[worthy violet]

yes

[trim flare]

and have over 10 hours of battery life

[worthy violet]

Asus G14

[midnight willow]

What if the iMac Pro has a notch

[hexed sage]

Yeah, I upgraded RAM to 16GB and gave it a proper SSD and it is pretty fast in day to day stuff. Compiling is a bit slow cause only 2 cores but that's ok

[worthy violet]

900 quid and you get 120hz

[worthy violet]

yeah

[narrow yoke]

Yeah, correct. If you get high refresh in a windows laptop sub 2k, it's probably pretty shitty and lacking majorly in several areas.

[worthy violet]

they're bulletproof as well

that's not my one

mines on my desk

[fringe kelp]

non pls

[trim flare]

like high refresh rate for computers is still very much a niche thing

[worthy violet]

hmm

[trim flare]

hell even beyond 1080p is a niche thing for windows laptops

[worthy violet]

becoming less

[spice pier]

well coming from a laptop that is under 2k USD and a 144hz display, that is not true

[worthy violet]

ok i beg to differ

also the g14

[narrow yoke]

Im so happy that Apple put it in. I wonder what the minimum refresh rate on pro is now

[trim flare]

it was 10hz on the iphone pro

[narrow yoke]

I suppose its opinionated

[worthy violet]

doesn't lack on build, or display for under 900

[hexed sage]

@worthy violet this is mine

[trim flare]

Like straight up, apple is just that far ahead of everyone right now

[spice pier]

no its just a fact that good spec laptops exist under 2k

[narrow yoke]

You ain't getting HDR or anything even close to that out of that display lol

[trim flare]

as in a professional engineer would use this?

[hexed sage]

took forever to upload @worthy violet

[worthy violet]

buy a zenbook then

[worthy violet]

nice

lemme get mine

[trim flare]

Hi dx

[hexed sage]

hi bob

@worthy violet the hinge is starting to get a bit worn out, kinda floppy now

wondering if i can open and tighten it

[trim flare]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17016/2021-10-18 19_22_13.jpg

[spice pier]

my rgb bar is a bit dim, but its ok

[worthy violet]

yeah

i redid my hinges

[trim flare]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17016/2021-10-18 19_23_41.jpg

they show the model

[worthy violet]

they are macbook levels of solid

[trim flare]

in the bottom

[hexed sage]

how easy is it to get to them and tighten? @worthy violet

[narrow yoke]

70% improvment cpu vs M1 - Jesus
4x gpu improvement vs M1- Jesus again

4x would put it in W5700XT territory of the Mac Pro, at what looked like a 55W envelope. Jeeeebus.```

[spice pier]

define high end

[narrow yoke]

According someone on mac rumor forums

This is gonna be SPICY

[worthy violet]

as long as you have a t9/10 (cant remeber) then easy

i could walk you through

[spice pier]

only W5700XT?

[hexed sage]

I have a laptop screw kit that should have torx in it

[spice pier]

thats a lot weaker than 4x was hinting at

[narrow yoke]

Laptop 3070 is on par with what desktop GPU?

[hexed sage]

Thanks but I should be able to figure it out, if not i'll ping ya

[hexed sage]

@worthy violet what gen you got

[worthy violet]

Okay thanks

[trim flare]

The X1 carbon

[narrow yoke]

Thats a desktop version specifically made for compute. Thats pretty good.

[trim flare]

or maybe the thinkpad

[spice pier]

yeah ik what it is

[hexed sage]

@spice pier 4x i'm sure in Geekbench or another synthetic benchmark because of the on-die memory

[worthy violet]

Mines a G1, therefore it's a 4th gen - i5 4200U

[hexed sage]

I have a 4700U G1

[worthy violet]

it's a whole bodge podge at the momemnt

[worthy violet]

nice

[spice pier]

thats pretty low end imo

[worthy violet]

mine needs a new display, and drive caddy (either that or i'll just use an m.2 instead of a SATA

[spice pier]

yeah its a business laptop so of course its not going to have great specs but still

[hexed sage]

Ye, but that's what my desktop is for

[worthy violet]

oh yeah the 840 is stupid easy to open up

[hexed sage]

I just sometimes have to do some code-related stuff on the laptop... usually it's just word and excel stuff i do on my laptop

handles it perfectly

[eager hearth]

holy shit

[narrow yoke]

So with GPU performance expected to be on par with a 3070 laptop, this is about what it'd be in desktop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCrCV71x8G0

[eager hearth]

That's ana amazing device

[hexed sage]

oh for sure. I needed 0 screws to install my SSD and RAM.

[eager hearth]

Apple is number 1

[spice pier]

no screws for your ssd?

[worthy violet]

an x220 tablet? COOL!

[spice pier]

inb4 $999 carrying case for the laptop

[hexed sage]

well I wasn't counting those, I meant more to actually get to the slots

[worthy violet]

Slide left and

[hexed sage]

just one clip on the top and slide up and i have access to the upgradeable bits

I'm debating either replacing the battery or getting a new laptop ("new") laptop

[hexed sage]

battery kinda degraded at this point, only about 3 hours of life now

[worthy violet]

cheap and easy to replace

[hexed sage]

Indeed

[midnight willow]

The real product release today
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM6F3AM/A/polishing-cloth

[hexed sage]

@worthy violet any idea if the latest gen Elitebooks are as easy to maintain and repair

[eager hearth]

https://twitter.com/VadimYuryev/status/1440054193201434635 What if this is right

Vadim Yuryev (@VadimYuryev)

M1X chip Final Geekbench 5 score predictions:
Single-core: 1,740 points
Multi-core: 15,070 points
16-core GPU Metal: 46,240 points
32-core GPU Metal: 92,480 points
*This is unless Apple further speeds up the clock speeds in the M1X compared to the cores in the A15 chip.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2021, 8:44 PM

[worthy violet]

mines got the 4200u, 8GB 1600mhz (dual channel of course), and a 128GB Samsung SSD I got from a CEX that was from an HP laptop

[eager hearth]

If it's right, it'd be on par with a desktop 3070

[hexed sage]

I put in 16GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD

[worthy violet]

yeah

[worthy violet]

i'll do proper upgrades later

[hexed sage]

@eager hearth Again I believe the geekbench scores are gonna be misleadingly higher beacuse of the on-die memory

I doubt actual real performance will be 4x faster

[worthy violet]

i've got whole bunch of machines

[eager hearth]

Mfw Apple made a 60W 3070

<60W

[spice pier]

what the heck is that filter

[worthy violet]

like a latitude 3550 which has a 5200u and has an IPS display (which i'm gonna buy for the elitbook anyway

[fringe kelp]

dunno, can't find the original image lol

[spice pier]

my laptop specs are 10875h 2070 max-p, 144hz ips 17.3in screen, 96whr bat, 1tb ssd, 16gb ram, 230w charging

[worthy violet]

I've got 3 main laptops

[spice pier]

ive got a laptop and desktop

[worthy violet]

click my profile photo for them

yes it's a lot of devices

[upbeat vale]

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1450164202824425472

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

There are 80 different new MBP SKUs based on CPU/DRAM/Storage. Even more if you divide by charger type. Here are the 80 configs with pricing

Twitter · Oct 18, 2021, 6:17 PM

[worthy violet]

bloody hell that was fast

[worthy violet]

you rookie

[manic sedge]

Ffs

[trim flare]

I would assume 3060ti

[tough grail]

What happened? I was busy IRL

[trim flare]

But maybe

[hexed sage]

I have a gaming laptop from 2012 that I gave to my younger brother

I got my EliteBook in 2018 for $300

[spice pier]

soon as my shift starts imma flex on you with a couple dozen HP g8 850s

[eager hearth]

yfw Apple made a 3070 desktop in a 65w tdp laptop

[tough grail]

M2 confirmed? 70% more powerful than M1 and 4x GPU power?

[fringe kelp]

damn

[eager hearth]

Microsoft needs to get Windows 10 on this bitch

[trim flare]

Apples shit though

[worthy violet]

there's a lot more under the bed

[hexed sage]

@tough grail M1 Pro and Max

[fringe kelp]

couple dozen??

[tough grail]

Two models? Market segmentation again? Intel?

[trim flare]

A $800 garbage bag with a 3060ti and 5600x is a better value

[worthy violet]

you can see my FX505 off to the right and the 3550 sitting on top

[eager hearth]

if their chart is real it's at least close to a 3080 mobile

[tough grail]

Own GPU? SoC?

[worthy violet]

see how many RM MiniBook 120s you can spot

i bought about 75

[tough grail]

Why charts? Where's the real data?

[spice pier]

yeah I work for my campus IT department, those are the main laptops of staff and faculty, we always have a ton in our workspace

[trim flare]

It’s apple data

[worthy violet]

i've sold a few of them

[hexed sage]

@tough grail all have iGPU

[trim flare]

Better than nothing

[spice pier]

coming next week

when they ship

[hexed sage]

@tough grail they compared to 5600M GPU in the previous Mac

And yeah they all have full SoC goods

Inducing 32gb of on die memories

[worthy violet]

also can anyone explain apple's excuse for soldered SSDs

[narrow yoke]

Keep in mind that's laptop 3070

Also, it depends on if its on par with the 85W vs the 115W 3070

[hexed sage]

@worthy violet keeping it thin

[trim flare]

Dx how are you?

[worthy violet]

Heres my swift 7, and yes it has soldered ssd

[hexed sage]

Good

[spice pier]

so like a 5700XT desktop

[eager hearth]

it's just the best in the world

[narrow yoke]

@eager hearth https://youtu.be/rCrCV71x8G0?t=655

[spice pier]

ha ha soldered ssd

[worthy violet]

the 2018 version of the swift 7 has an upgradeable SSD and is even thinner than my 2019 version

[narrow yoke]

Also

[worthy violet]

the 2018 version is 8.98mm and the 2019 version i have is 9.95

[narrow yoke]

The 14 inch maxed out is 200$ cheaper than the 16 inch

So thats rather nice

[upbeat vale]

We went out of the way to seperate the Apple event out of TD. Take your ancient PC laptop talk and piss off, k?

[narrow yoke]

You aren't really getting screwed for wanting a smaller/larger screen

[spice pier]

id just rather buy a faster desktop for cheaper

[worthy violet]

it's just me complaining about apple

[narrow yoke]

Different use case

[fringe kelp]

ohh okay
i don't have a job yet, those devices and spares are just leftovers from when i used to do laptop repair

[worthy violet]

neither have an excuse

[narrow yoke]

Different use case. If you want a desktop, get a desktop. Many of use want/need laptops.

[spice pier]

then i'd get a faster laptop for cheaper

[upbeat vale]

You would be hard pushed to get a faster desktop 😉

And you won't get a faster laptop period.

[narrow yoke]

Also this, esp given the GPU prices

[spice pier]

you totally can

[worthy violet]

nothing here now is related to the event

[hexed sage]

@spice pier where you gonna find a conparible laptop for that price

[spice pier]

gimme a minute

[hexed sage]

Screen is insane, super great CPU

[spice pier]

the max price is 6.1k right?

[hexed sage]

And power efficiency

[static latch]

5.9 on the 14, 6.1 on the 16

[narrow yoke]

I'd bet the CPU is actually the most powerful laptop CPU on the market atm

[hexed sage]

Anything you get will probably have to be plugged in 24/7 lol

[wise plaza]

im back again whats new

[hexed sage]

The m1 was already the fastest laptop CPU

[spice pier]

thats true about being plugged in

[upbeat vale]

Why not compare to the low-end price, where most buyers will be?

[narrow yoke]

It was fastest in single core

[upbeat vale]

Rather than the model with 8TB of storage?

[narrow yoke]

I'm speaking about complete package

[worthy violet]

single core

[trim flare]

I don’t get how people can knock this

[hexed sage]

Well yes and now they have 10 cores @worthy violet @narrow yoke

[trim flare]

Like literally nothing competes

[narrow yoke]

Yeah literally nothing competes in this price range

[worthy violet]

oh yeah

[narrow yoke]

To my knowledge, there isn't anything in the windows space that has a display like the new macs do in any case

[worthy violet]

Apple probably has a very big hit on their hands

[narrow yoke]

These guys are gonna be sold out in days

[worthy violet]

people will flock to buy them

[narrow yoke]

I need to get my order in tbh

[worthy violet]

not days

[hexed sage]

This is the first miniled laptop right?

[worthy violet]

no

[narrow yoke]

Im not sure

[spice pier]

11900k, 3080, 128gb ram, 8tb ssd storage

[worthy violet]

the MSI Creator 17

[spice pier]

17.3in screen 4k

[worthy violet]

optional MiniLED

[narrow yoke]

That i9 is the desktop version? lol

[spice pier]

yes

in a laptop

[narrow yoke]

lmaooo

[spice pier]

https://www.sagernotebook.com/customize.php?productid=2035

[hexed sage]

And it's going to be plugged in all day and never have a battery life with probably shit speakers, shit touch pad, and seems like 60hz 4k screen

[narrow yoke]

Have fun being attached to the wal I guess

wall*

[hexed sage]

And I bet that uses 2 power cords and is 1.5" thick too

[worthy violet]

say that to me with a 1660ti lapop

[narrow yoke]

This is the thing that bothers me about people like you @spice pier There's a lot more to a laptop than just raw horse power in hardware. There's battery life, speakers, trackpad, weight etc

[worthy violet]

and a 50-something wh battery

[spice pier]

yes plugged in, but it does have a battery, shit speakers of course, all laptops do, get headphones or proper speakers, touchpad? for real? who cares, get a mouse. and yes, its 60hz

[narrow yoke]

Oh god Im so sorry 😦

[spice pier]

yeah none of that I care about

[hexed sage]

I'm sorry I use laptops on the go and usually without a fixed desk

[spice pier]

I have external speakers, a proper mouse, and battery life meh

[narrow yoke]

You may not, but A LOT of people do. it's some of the most common things people test on

[hexed sage]

I have a powerful desktop for those purposes

[narrow yoke]

Especially the track pad lol

[hexed sage]

I use my laptop for laptop things

[worthy violet]

or my old Dell 2650 with a 20 year old battery that still holds a few minutes, and has a pentium 4

[narrow yoke]

I can finally retire my late 2011 15 inch macbook pro. Holy sweet fuck.

[spice pier]

I get that, but my og point was that you can buy something faster for cheaper, which you can

[upbeat vale]

Except that probably isn't faster in most cases.

[spice pier]

I would say it is

[upbeat vale]

The CPU isn't faster, the memory certainly isn't faster, the storage won't be faster.

[hexed sage]

11900k got less cores

[spice pier]

but we dont know until benchmarks

[narrow yoke]

Except that it probably isnt in many cases

[worthy violet]

people will buy the macbook like crazy

[spice pier]

got a source?

I dont

[narrow yoke]

Its also not just about raw benchmark scores

[hexed sage]

@spice pier We already know M1 performance and how it scales

Should be pretty easy to extrapolate into the 10/16 core models

[spice pier]

yes but do you have m1 max benchmarks

[narrow yoke]

Key example of this. Try loading 4k raw footage into adobe premier on your intel/amd system. I fucking DARE you.

[trim flare]

How does this compare?

[hexed sage]

same architecture

[narrow yoke]

Then do it on an M1

Youll see a night and day difference.

[spice pier]

does the is?

[upbeat vale]

@trim flare https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1450159415735226371

Stephen Hackett (@ismh)

MagSafe 3 isn't a different charger; it's a cable with USB-C on the other end:

https://t.co/os9JVLGh3A

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[hexed sage]

lol what

[worthy violet]

ok

[narrow yoke]

So yeah, it's not just raw performance in benchmarks that matter

[trim flare]

Lol

[worthy violet]

tell me if you hear an explosion soon

[narrow yoke]

Wait what?

[trim flare]

That looks shit

[spice pier]

yeah but thats what my point is about, raw speed

[narrow yoke]

XD

[fringe kelp]

why does this

[trim flare]

I would buy an aftermarket cable with a proper strain relief

[hexed sage]

are there any aftermarket magsafe cables?

[spice pier]

electrical tape is going to go up in price

[trim flare]

This is a portable device

[worthy violet]

iNTel iNsIDe

[trim flare]

Not a desktop

[spice pier]

holy cow man, read the context

not my argument

[trim flare]

When the Mac Pro release and is faster than anything else, it will be. I can game on this for cheaper

Always moving the goalposts

[spice pier]

The MacPro starting at 2.5k?

[narrow yoke]

Cyan, the context isn't being read by you here. The point we are making is that a laptop is a complete package. If you want just raw power, you can buy a windows laptop for cheaper, but youll be making massive concessions to do so, and at some point you need to ask your self why you are buying a laptop. Worse still, the windows laptop will likely not always compete with the M1 laptop.

[upbeat vale]

So the Mac Pro will be interesting - the M1 Max is already enomous, bigger than the A100

Apple can't reasonably go bigger on a single die

Can they?

[narrow yoke]

What is the A100?

[spice pier]

Are you trying to convince me that my opinion is not what it actually is?

[trim flare]

Apple could literally make the mini into the Mac Pro

[spice pier]

thats kinda stupid

[hexed sage]

how much bigger?

[narrow yoke]

If that isn't what you are saying, I have no understanding of the point youre trying to make in you argument. Youll need to explain better please

[spice pier]

Simple, you can buy a laptop right now for less than 6.1k that is probably faster (as benchmarks are not available rn)

[narrow yoke]

????

You dont need to spend 6.1k on the latop

lol.

[spice pier]

of course not lmao

[hexed sage]

buying a laptop solely based on speed is a rare usecase

[upbeat vale]

A100 is 54B, M1 Max was 57B

[spice pier]

agreed

[narrow yoke]

I am genuinely so confused

[hexed sage]

Most laptop usecases are for more mobility and utility over sitting on a desk plugged into things

at least in the consumer space

[narrow yoke]

Id compare it with someone more like the 3.5k version

[hexed sage]

TBF, isn't A100 on 7nm and M1 on 5nm?

[upbeat vale]

Yes sure

[spice pier]

Thats a better value, but not what I was talking about

[fringe kelp]

yeah you buy one because it has 400 relative performance

[narrow yoke]

And at that price, its gonna be EXTREMELY hard pressed to find something better

[upbeat vale]

but still, to scale to "Mac Prop" levels how much bigger will it need to be?

Twice as big? 4 times?

[narrow yoke]

Then talking about this is actually honestly worthless discussion

[hexed sage]

lol

[spice pier]

yeah, I agree

[narrow yoke]

Because you cant just discuss laptops in a vacuum like that

[hexed sage]

@upbeat vale I presume they will get rid of the iGPU and implement a desktop GPU again, and use the rest of the die space for the CPU and I/O

[narrow yoke]

You compare appropriate price points, not theoretical max price of a laptop lol

[spice pier]

Hey hey hey, worthless discussion, drop it

[upbeat vale]

Maybe, but I doubt it.

Apple are leaning really hard on their unified memory arch

[hexed sage]

So presumably they are working on a desktop GPU then?

[narrow yoke]

Yep

After this

ZERO chance of a dedicated GPU coming back

[eager hearth]

it already is best, just double the cpu, 16 cores of pog, 128-512gb of ram, 9999 starting price

[narrow yoke]

I was extremely skeptical

Now that ive seen the performance of the M1

Its ARM ALL the way down baby

[trim flare]

That is insane

[hexed sage]

Why not dGPU with unified VRAM.

[upbeat vale]

because their memory arch is faster?

[eager hearth]

Steg why not chiplets

Apple can buy AMD

[narrow yoke]

They wont

Theres no reason for them to

[upbeat vale]

Please, what do AMD have that Apple want?

[spice pier]

a proven product

[hexed sage]

Fast dGPUs I assume with lots of VRAM.

[upbeat vale]

Medicore x86 designs and some legacy GPUs?

[hexed sage]

Apple COULD make a dGPU for the Mac Pro

[trim flare]

More Talent

That's about it

[narrow yoke]

Ok look

[hexed sage]

With the amount of VRAM you want in a true workstation laptop and typical workloads, I would argue that would be the best way forward inspite of a unified architecture

[eager hearth]

Xilinx

[upbeat vale]

They could, it is possible.

[narrow yoke]

If you are honestly sitting here thinking to your self that X86 is the future after watching that

[hexed sage]

when did I say x86

[narrow yoke]

I'd genuinely question whether or not we watched the same presentation

[upbeat vale]

You are right, I don't see how they get around needing GPUs off-die.

[narrow yoke]

AMD DOES x86

[hexed sage]

GPUs aren't x86

[eager hearth]

They can buy AMD for infinity fabric

[upbeat vale]

Maybe a new custom interface?

[narrow yoke]

While technically true, AMD hasn't released a GPU based on ARM either

[eager hearth]

🤔

[hexed sage]

@narrow yoke What are you on about

[eager hearth]

ARM GPU

[hexed sage]

Nothing about GPU architecture requires or presumes x86 or ARM

They're completely separate.

They communicate over PCIe

[upbeat vale]

ARM isn't a GPU instruction set?

[trim flare]

So is this PCI4?

[narrow yoke]

That isn't exactly my point

[hexed sage]

You can plug a raspberry pi into a desktop GPU

[trim flare]

Anandtech seemed to think so from the ssd reads

[narrow yoke]

What I'm getting at is that AMD hasn't done anything with ARM

[trim flare]

01:44PM EDT - 7.4GB/s SSD points at PCIe 4.0 4x or 3.0 8x

[narrow yoke]

So Apple doesnt need AMD in that capacity

[hexed sage]

They have in the past and they would be mad to not have a CPU in the pipeline

But if Apple isn't willing to make a dGPU they would have to go AMD again.

[spice pier]

isnt amd doing the new samsung mobile cpu thats using arm

[narrow yoke]

Yep, but not released

[spice pier]

well neither is m1 max

[eager hearth]

I wonder how Zen as ARM performs

[fringe kelp]

opteron a1100?

[trim flare]

vc?

[upbeat vale]

AMD are doing the GPU for the Samesung mobile part - still uses Exynos cores

[narrow yoke]

M1 max is arguably much more realized than that samsung chip

[eager hearth]

I think the stock is enough to not need more vc

[trim flare]

did apple steal a lot of power vr talent?

[spice pier]

right, its based on RDNA2

[narrow yoke]

I can actually go online and buy a laptop with an M1 max than I can that samsung chip

[upbeat vale]

Yes, I think they did.

[spice pier]

released as in shipping rn

[hexed sage]

@narrow yoke for example, NVIDIA uses PTX as their GPU ISA. https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/parallel-thread-execution/index.html

[spice pier]

which its not

[trim flare]

power vr basically were the best gpu company for a while.

[narrow yoke]

It ships next week

[spice pier]

correct, not today

[narrow yoke]

Stop being pedantic

Its cringe

[spice pier]

I think someone just got redpilled by apple a bit too much

[narrow yoke]

What's more likely to happen is that Apple would poach engineers from AMD

Or nvidia

[hexed sage]

Which they do

[upbeat vale]

Nothing you can say or do will persuade the Apple hater not to hate.

So don't waste your time 😉

[narrow yoke]

I guess not

[hexed sage]

I mean I don't even own an Apple device and I still agree with them lol

[narrow yoke]

I'm by no means an Apple fanboy

I can recognize good technology

[spice pier]

on the definition of released?

[narrow yoke]

But I have a hard time seeing why Apple would feel compelled to buy AMD

[trim flare]

like it's a 5nm device that has more transistors than anything else

[spice pier]

not sure why you would, its pretty simple

[trim flare]

that says everything

[narrow yoke]

Nevermind the legal battle they would need to face in that merge space

[hexed sage]

It's shipping next week so it makes your argument moot. @spice pier

[narrow yoke]

That'd be a nightmare

[spice pier]

ok its got a release time

wicked

[hexed sage]

If it were in 6 months from now it would be different

[upbeat vale]

The step up to the Max is "only" $400 on a $3000+ machine. Is it ever worth not buying the Max?

[hexed sage]

But apple historically meets all their release dates

[spice pier]

they do

[fringe kelp]

they have though

[hexed sage]

lul opteron

[stone mantle]

opteron was arm???

[hexed sage]

opteron A

[narrow yoke]

If you can see the difference between shipping next week and a product not even having a release date, I genuinely don't know what to tell you.

[stone mantle]

thought opteron was a server cpu or smth

[narrow yoke]

Well than I stand corrected, but genuinely what the fuck was that? LOL

[spice pier]

key word, release date, it is not released yet

[fringe kelp]

A1100

[trim flare]

the 14 and 16 are almost the same price with upgrades

[narrow yoke]

OH

Is that what steg was talking about earlier?

[hexed sage]

It literally ships in a week I don't understand what you're trying to say

[spice pier]

it is not released yet

how hard is that to understand geez

[stone mantle]

10 years LMFAO

[narrow yoke]

It will be in your hands

[stone mantle]

how long ago was that?

[narrow yoke]

In like 2 weeks

Chill out lol

[spice pier]

correct

[fringe kelp]

idk, there don't seem to be any mentions of the A1100

[spice pier]

that changes nothing

[narrow yoke]

Maybe it was something else

[trim flare]

What is this thread becoming

[hexed sage]

You can make preorders for it now and in a week you will have the best laptop in your hands so like, if you are trying to say it's not the best laptop right now you're just being utterly pedantic

[narrow yoke]

I think we have a ttroll in the dungeon

In any case, I'm hype as hell for this.

[trim flare]

compare a laptop to a shitty desktop laptop with an hour battery life?

[spice pier]

no, all im saying is it is not shipping today, so its not released

[manic sedge]

Next odd things they come with usb c chargers not magsafe @upbeat vale

[upbeat vale]

Sorry, I was talking about this https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/a100-pcie.c3623

[fringe kelp]

made available in Q1 2016 it seems

[hexed sage]

Compare it to the Steam Deck, probably the best handheld console in a while, which has reservation orders but no release date and no promises of availability and few little information about it

[stone mantle]

"10 years"

no one uses opteron anymore

[trim flare]

the macbook air is still cheap as fuck

[narrow yoke]

Ooooh that ok

Isnt that used in the server space?

[fringe kelp]

i'm not saying go buy an A1100, just that it exists lol

[narrow yoke]

Like aren't these used primarily in data centers or something?

[upbeat vale]

That can't possibly be true.

new MagSafe is USB-C on the charger end

[manic sedge]

That's the store page

[eager hearth]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM6F3AM/A/polishing-cloth

pog

[narrow yoke]

POG polishing cloth

[hexed sage]

Are you pretending apple doesn't already put artificial "certifications" on true apple compatible chargers?

[narrow yoke]

Gotta make sure your mac looks C L E A N

[manic sedge]

C to magsafe?????

[spice pier]

why is that a thing

[stone mantle]

it polishes stuff

[upbeat vale]

https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1450159415735226371

Stephen Hackett (@ismh)

MagSafe 3 isn't a different charger; it's a cable with USB-C on the other end:

https://t.co/os9JVLGh3A

Likes

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[spice pier]

so does a paper towel

[stone mantle]

paper towels are 1 time use

[trim flare]

can you buy that with mac pro wheels?

[manic sedge]

Ooooh now that's interesting I use c to magsafe 2

[narrow yoke]

LMFAO

[upbeat vale]

so I assume its a USB-C charger and C-MagSafe cable?

That is the only thing that makes sense

[spice pier]

are we forgetting the thousand dollar monitor stand?

[stone mantle]

probably just the cable

[narrow yoke]

Ngl that fast charge thing is really sick

[upbeat vale]

but it doesn't actually say

[trim flare]

I hate apple cables

Like strain reliefs are required

[narrow yoke]

What was it? Like 50% in 10 minutes of charging or something?

[upbeat vale]

I would love to know what you people do to Apple cables.

[stone mantle]

50% in 30 minutes

[narrow yoke]

Yeah that

[upbeat vale]

I've never once broken one

[narrow yoke]

That's really neat tbh

[spice pier]

ah yes, would I like 3 PRO STANDS or a laptop

[trim flare]

I went through 3 magsafe chargers and 2 ports

[upbeat vale]

and some people swear blind that every single Apple cable fails

[narrow yoke]

50% in 30 minutes, given the battery life is quite nice

[upbeat vale]

like, what on earth are you monsters doing?

[hexed sage]

They're super common failures across the industry. See: Surface charger failures

[narrow yoke]

Alright look, we are trying to have a discussion about the current news, not past news. If you're gonna troll just leave please.

[spice pier]

as someone who works in IT, I can tell you that anytime someone asks for electrical tape, its to fix a apple charger

[narrow yoke]

Some of us are actually excited about this

[spice pier]

I am too

apple released what looks to be their first promising product

[trim flare]

not the ipad pro

not the ipad

[hexed sage]

"first" is a bit of a stretch

[trim flare]

not the macbook air

[spice pier]

naw

[trim flare]

not the iphone

not the ipod

NOPE

[hexed sage]

iphone 1 says hello

[trim flare]

like this is the best professional laptop since the powerbook g3

[summer pike]

Might get a MBA on next refresh

[spice pier]

yeah thats why im excited

[trim flare]

I love mine

[summer pike]

Assuming the changes kinda trickle down

[upbeat vale]

I'm curious about a notch just for a front-facing camera.

[trim flare]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G4

[upbeat vale]

That seems like a really wierd choice

[trim flare]

like it's been since basically the powerbook 12

and even then the g4 wasn't what the g3 was for price

this is closer to the g3 products to how it competes

[upbeat vale]

The idustrial design does call back to the era of laptop

[spice pier]

I wonder if they'll call it space grey again

[hexed sage]

GUN METAL GREY

[trim flare]

Steg the thickness is nice to see again

macbooks were too thin

[hexed sage]

@upbeat vale I like the added I/O very much

Finally Apple listened to the complainers

[upbeat vale]

I agree

[trim flare]

I am not a fan of the i/o

[upbeat vale]

It sounds like pure wishfullfilment - everything we wanted.

[trim flare]

I would prefer another usb c port over the hdmi port and card reader

[hexed sage]

HDMI is good on a laptop

[upbeat vale]

Literally everything, I think

[hexed sage]

for projectors and TVs

[trim flare]

I guess people don't like dongles though

does it output 8k?

on the hdmi?

[hexed sage]

for this kind of laptop I presume you will be giving presentations frequently as the average user.

[spice pier]

they didnt say what hdmi revision it is

[hexed sage]

probably says on the official site

[upbeat vale]

Support for one display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz

So, no

[hexed sage]

,hdmi

[trim flare]

HDMI digital video output

Support for one display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz

DVI output using HDMI to DVI Adapter (sold separately)

[trim flare]

god damnit

[hexed sage]

So probably 2.0 or 2.1

[trim flare]

so the hdmi port is more a legacy thing

[hexed sage]

I assume 2.0

frankly i dont think it's that big of a deal.

@trim flare

[trim flare]

It isn't

[spice pier]

no 4k 144hz gaming

oh well

[trim flare]

I just don't care about having the ports

but I get having them

[hexed sage]

Well no they have the thunderbolt ports for that @spice pier

[spice pier]

oh right, 3 of them

thats kinda cool ig

[hexed sage]

The HDMI is solely the "presentation" port, and I like that

My laptop has DP instead of HDMI and I hate it.

[trim flare]

this computer is quite capable of gaming

[hexed sage]

Because I use it for presentations somewhat frequently

[spice pier]

my laptop has HDMI instead of DP

lol

[stone mantle]

imagine 590hz on a monitor

[spice pier]

insert meme about the human eye

[hexed sage]

i can make an LED flash at 590Hz with a raspberry pi

why can't samsung do that?

[stone mantle]

because samsung is bad

[spice pier]

I agree

[hexed sage]

ok, changed my name

[narrow yoke]

That and truetone

[spice pier]

I feel like I should clarify a bit more on my personal position on apple. I am excited for the M1 max projected performance, but am skeptical

[narrow yoke]

I was too

Until I saw the m1

lol.

[hexed sage]

Yeah their M1 reveal everyone here was skeptical as well, and they mostly proved us all wrong for the most part.

[spice pier]

I was never too impressed with the M1, I never really found it to be a proof of concept

[narrow yoke]

I still cant believe the M1 chip performs as well as it does

[hexed sage]

I was very much impressed by the power efficiency, hardware accelerated x86 translation, and the unified architecture with mobile for emulating apps

oh and the on-die memory bandwidth

absolutely insane.

[narrow yoke]

So it turns out Ross Young was right on the 120hz display

[spice pier]

Power efficiency sure ig

[narrow yoke]

Fuck me I still cant believe we are getting promotion on the macbook pro FINALLY.

[tough grail]

But still slower than an high end PC?

[hexed sage]

lol no

[eager hearth]

It's more powerful than the lord jesus

[hexed sage]

memory bandwidth blows any desktop CPU out of the water

[spice pier]

depends on the high end pc

[eager hearth]

You cannot beat the power of Tim Apple

[trim flare]

Razr vc?

[tough grail]

M1 is fast, but slower in certain aspects. Let's see the reality vs propaganda

[hexed sage]

single threaded performance of the M1 is about a 3700X at a fraction of the power @tough grail

[tough grail]

Say it to Chinese 😛

[hexed sage]

I'm not saying propaganda i'm referring to actual reviews like those from techpowerup.

[tough grail]

That's not high end for me, but enough high. Computer power is stagnated these days

[hexed sage]

And the x86 translation speed is shockingly good

@tough grail I mean yeah, 3700X isn't the fastest CPU out there but to achieve those kinds of speeds at 5-15W is insane.

[tough grail]

And AAA games?

[hexed sage]

Obviously a non-sequitor

With the 10 core/16 core models i expect it to be a crazy laptop for engineering/creative applications

[tough grail]

But that's useless for a non-portable desktop, Efficiency is good, but sometimes extreme raw power is required. Everyone is obsessed with mobile technologies these days

[hexed sage]

What I still really wanna see is how it performs in the desktop with no power limits

[narrow yoke]

I suspect the 16 core GPU will be plenty fine for gamers

[hexed sage]

I mean yes, but these are laptops we're talking about

[narrow yoke]

Even after rosetta translation

Or using a VM

[hexed sage]

And an efficient architecture can very well relate into good performance because you can up power limits and clock faster without overheating

[narrow yoke]

Exactly

[hexed sage]

I'm not saying it is the raw fastest power machine but IMO it is very promising especially as the world moves to ARM.

[tough grail]

CAD? CAM? EDA? 3D Design software at native builds? Despite how efficient it might be at x86 translation, it's a layer. Alpha tried it. Itanium tried it. Transmeta tried it. Longsoon tried it. That's no enough. Native or fail.

[narrow yoke]

The "up to four times the performance" thing Apple was touting. I'm betting its gonna be quite close there

[spice pier]

well they didnt specify about what it was exactly against

5600M pro sure, but what about the rest of the build

[narrow yoke]

Given the power of these new CPU's, I'm willing to bet many more companies will jump on board for native silicon

[hexed sage]

Yes it does those well. Before they were updated, benchmarks and things like Premiere and CAD performed only like 5-15% slower depending on the specific test. Now a lot of professional apps that run on Macs have been ported

[narrow yoke]

You just answered your question lol

[hexed sage]

The key is that they're the first to do hardware x86 translation

[spice pier]

no i didnt

5600M pro is half of the answer

whats the rest of the parts

[narrow yoke]

Youre comparing a GPU to a GPU

Thats your answer

[spice pier]

performance is affected by other parts too...

thats the correct answer

[hexed sage]

And also frankly most of the industry apps in these categories aren't compatible for Apple MacOS.

I know because I work with a lot of those softwares

[narrow yoke]

While that's correct, I'd assume it'd take into account the entire package. We will have to wait for benchmarks to really see, but I'd likely believe the claim that Apple is making here

[spice pier]

yeah, I agree, just wait for benchmarks to come out and dont take the "4x" for face value

[narrow yoke]

Apple's marketing may skew towards... vague... but it's usually pretty accurate. Least it has been with the M1.

[tough grail]

So Apple hardware is a toy for me and most professionals, Apple became a very concrete niche. So, no useful for engineers. I'm an engineer wannabe, so I know their tools 😄

[narrow yoke]

Truthfully, I believe it's probably rather likely that Apple is under selling their CPU here

[hexed sage]

Solidworks, Altium, Catia, NX, vivado, etc

[narrow yoke]

They did it with some of the stuff for M1.

[hexed sage]

I mean yes, engineering itself is mostly still in Windows world

[tough grail]

Cadence...

[hexed sage]

Only a few of my softwares are compatible with Apple stuff

I have to work with a lot of embedded devices too that only have drivers for Windows

which is annoying because it makes VM work super frustrating

[tough grail]

If they don't own all sectors and sell a proper workstation, they are poisoned to die. High end workstation is even more profitable than premium consumer market

[narrow yoke]

yeah the whole windows on ARM thing is a fiasco right now that windows REALLY needs to solve now

[hexed sage]

But there's also a huge world of other stuff that are still used in huge professional studios that are compatible in Apple, mostly creative and programming stuff.

[narrow yoke]

There's gonna be a lot of people buying a mac that will be frustrated to learn quite a decent size of their software wont work in VM

[hexed sage]

If you think they are poisoned to die you obviously haven't been paying attention to their market cap

They're literally selling more of their shit than ever

because they're good

[narrow yoke]

^

Mac sells have been seeing increased quartly growth since M1 was released

[hexed sage]

Engineering is just stuck in legacy because nobody wants to update apps or physically can't anymore because of lost source code/dependencies.

Which, that's fine

Updating shit breaks things

[upbeat vale]

And it really depends what school of engineering

[hexed sage]

Software Engineering can arguably be best done on a Mac depending on what you do

[narrow yoke]

SO much this

[upbeat vale]

Not arguably: is.

[hexed sage]

easy access to bash shells, great design apps for web dev, linux dependency management, etc

[narrow yoke]

Yeah theres a reason why so many people dev on mac/linux

I dont know the reason

[upbeat vale]

Macs aren't niche is software or web dev

[narrow yoke]

But I know people do that 😛

[upbeat vale]

and obviously its the only platform that can develop for iOS, which is quite a big market

ya know?

[narrow yoke]

Yep

Huge market

My only real dissapointment

Is that the 32core GPU isn't base in the 16 inch

But with the 14 inch getting the same options and what not, I'm not too angry about it

[upbeat vale]

I am suprised the 14" gets the 32 core option