windows 11

[analog ridge]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-11

[stray swift]

🏴‍☠️

[cold pawn]

im buying a new cpu for win11

wtfff

anyone else?

LMAO ik its dumb

[analog ridge]

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/08/31/windows-11-available-on-october-5/

[cold pawn]

but i dont wanna be behind an OS

[rotund lichen]

I'll wait until it actually comes out
and even then I'll likely still use windows 10

[cold pawn]

even w 5yr support

[rotund lichen]

maybe I'll try it with my old pc first

[knotty solstice]

likely not everyone will get it on the 5th though, I imagine they will do a phased rollout

[jagged sentinel]

@cold pawn they did say now that they will allow people like you to install w11

[cold pawn]

Hopefully this works in my new gaming laptop

[knotty solstice]

what gen CPU?

[cold pawn]

LMAOOO "people like me" RYZEN 1ST GEN RIGHTS

Then yay

[amber carbon]

Win10 will be supported until 2025, right?

[cold pawn]

yeah but it doesnt auto update

Ryzen 7 4800H

[analog ridge]

fully expected, the windows update will be triggered over time, or able to be forced.

[jagged sentinel]

Yes @amber carbon

[cold pawn]

you need to update yourself i think

[amber carbon]

Fuck it, not going to bother being Microsoft's test platform.

[cold pawn]

and idk if that means update through iso or idk

[jagged sentinel]

Might* not, aka in Microsoft speak it will

[cold pawn]

Free upgrade is pog

actually

[stray swift]

buying new hardware for the new OS is

[cold pawn]

if it wasnt free

that'd be trash

[cold pawn]

LMAOOO IK but i really want it

[knotty solstice]

lets be real Microsoft wants everyone to stay updated

[analog ridge]

I did the beta and rolled back, really not sure about moving early, christmas might be the play

[cold pawn]

also im in a long need of an upgrade

1st gen is like not fast enough for me anymore

imma give it to my family pc

and get a 3600 for myself

(maybe 3700 bc apparently those are a real thing)

i thought it only went to 3600

Now I wonder if 5th gen i3 5005u will run windows 11

[rotund lichen]

as in ryzen 5 3600?

[cold pawn]

[knotty solstice]

3700 is OEM

[cold pawn]

yep

[cold pawn]

dk what that means LMAO

[rotund lichen]

3rd gen goes to ryzen 9's afaik...

[rotund lichen]

means you can't get it separate. it only comes with prebuilts

[knotty solstice]

can't go into a store and buy it

[cold pawn]

OHHH

LOL

well ill just get 3600

[analog ridge]

not on the compatible list

[cold pawn]

will win11 run good w a 1050ti? asking for a friend

(r5 3600)

[analog ridge]

yes

[knotty solstice]

not a 3700x?

[cold pawn]

thats a thing-

im so behind in cpus

[knotty solstice]

?

3700x is the normal one

[rotund lichen]

amd has 5000 series

[cold pawn]

wait also i gotta check my bios version to see if a 3600 will work

[cold pawn]

WHAT?????

[rotund lichen]

yep

5600x, 5600g, 5700g, 5800x, 5900x, and 5950x afaik

[cold pawn]

damn

[rotund lichen]

as well as the oem ones

[cold pawn]

i gotta google if bios f50d will work w newer ryzen chipsets

[analog ridge]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

might be worth a read,.

wait can someone ping adminmail?

[stray swift]

@hardy bluff

[analog ridge]

fuck.

[cold pawn]

LMAO

[analog ridge]

ok nevermind

[stray swift]

you asked for it

[analog ridge]

didnt do anything:

do it again for me

[coral harbor]

ruh roh

[rotund lichen]

it doesn't work in threads?

@hardy bluff

[cold pawn]

So I’m gonna get a new laptop

[analog ridge]

ok nevermind

[bitter bane]

bots dont work?

[rotund lichen]

it's here in the channel

[analog ridge]

not all, that can go on the list but not urgent

[rotund lichen]

@sacred wren

[stray swift]

@fair pier

?parrote

[rotund lichen]

?parrote

[analog ridge]

,ping

[fair pier]

Shard: 3
Pong!
Time: 97ms

[cold pawn]

A 1660 Ti omen should work

[coral harbor]

,gg

[analog ridge]

giaus works thats all that matters, and windows 11...

[rotund lichen]

?help

ah that's just a dm

?parrote

hmm

odd

[cold pawn]

not sure if thats worth, if youre gonna get a new CPU anyways, you might as well get a 5600x and a new board

[bitter bane]

so it works in dms just not here?

[cold pawn]

wait

[rotund lichen]

well from what I'm getting it can read messages to dm you but not send messages here or something

[cold pawn]

didnt the new one come out???

the new pc health check

[rotund lichen]

not yet, it's in beta

windows 11 is I mean

[cold pawn]

i mean like the pc health check app not win11

[rotund lichen]

not sure

[cold pawn]

a new mobo is an extra $100, making total $500, so a bit too much soz

[rotund lichen]

cad?

or something?

oh wait aud?

[cold pawn]

yup

the worst currency for pc building

i too was confused

[rotund lichen]

yeah oof

[cold pawn]

OHHH

windows insiders

[jagged sentinel]

@amber carbon yeah I'll wait a bit before I update to make sure it works with all my software and set up a redundancy for the FDE key

[cold pawn]

i feel like these thread things would be more helpful in the build advice channels for one-on-one advice

but it probs mean more mods needed

bc a thread is basically a mini channel

[rotund lichen]

agreed, but it we let it out to the entire server then... well, chaos

[bitter bane]

It would be pretty much impossible to moderate, and there would be wayy to much threads

[cold pawn]

LMAO

[bitter bane]

• harder to counter bad advice

[cold pawn]

yeah thats true

LMAO

/s

[rotund lichen]

[cold pawn]

honestly it wasn't even that bad of an idea /s

[knotty solstice]

FDE doesn't get flipped on

[quaint depot]

Hey, a channel in a channel.

[coral harbor]

Yes

[analog ridge]

welcome to the #882622148122927204 zone

[coral harbor]

Ben can we get a stupid fucking hi channel

As a gd thread

[jagged sentinel]

It doesn't?

[timber rivet]

haha windows 11 thread go fuckin brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rotund lichen]

[glossy sorrel]

windows 11

[coral harbor]

windows eleven

[tender sage]

windoes 11 is great

[vagrant notch]

wait arent win 11 have to turn on some security shit on mobo

prob should look into it

[cold pawn]

ftpm i believe unless u have tpm thingy

[cold pawn]

Upgrade your cpu for windows 11

[cold pawn]

ive decided im probs not gonna do that

bc like

broke

Sell cpu

but my manager said she'll give me more shifts so maybe i will

And mobo

Buy 10400F

[knotty solstice]

you could get a supported 2600 for like... $120?

[cold pawn]

aud money

[cold pawn]

so roughly 23hrs of work

[knotty solstice]

that is well below minimum wage where I live

[cold pawn]

LOL im 15 though

and on saturday pay is higher

i get like $11 hourly

[knotty solstice]

min here is 13.50/hr

[cold pawn]

for 15 or 18

[knotty solstice]

AFAIK USA does not base it on age

[cold pawn]

LOL

[knotty solstice]

the only big thing is if it is a tipped job

[cold pawn]

they base it on age here, so then not only is it cheaper for employers, but also so then younger kids get thrown into the capitilistic system earlie- i mean they get experience

[cold pawn]

i mean you can tip but its kfc so that wont happen

[knotty solstice]

that isn't a "tipped" job though

minimum with a tipped job here is $5.55

[cold pawn]

WHAT

tips like arent really a thing in australia

as far as im aware at least

How do I earn money at age 14

[knotty solstice]

the whole idea of a tipped wage is weird, you legally can not make less than 13.50/hr when including tips though

[cold pawn]

I'm 14 in October

[cold pawn]

fast food

i got a job at maccas when i was 14 (dont reccomend maccas though, they didnt give me my breaks and it was really stressful, and you'd get burnt alot bc they didn't have proper safety measures in place)

I guess I need to check in Bahrain

Lol

[timber rivet]

What state is that, you dumb

[cold pawn]

State?

Its bahrain

A country

[glossy sorrel]

It literally just a design update lmao

[tender sage]

[glossy sorrel]

• even more spyware

[tender sage]

It's a redo of the ui and some tweaks to what it runs of going from dx11 to dx12

There is no Spyware

[glossy sorrel]

Come on, camera + mic requirements for all laptops? Amazon embedded into the os? Removing, local, non ms tied windows accounts? Embedding teams into w11?

[glossy sorrel]

Yeah

[tender sage]

U don't need camera

[glossy sorrel]

on laptops u will

[tender sage]

No

[analog ridge]

windows hello is a good security feature.

and online accounts are a thing because disk encryption is a good thing and users are idiots.

there is nothing wrong with having an online account

[glossy sorrel]

Yeah but forcing these stuff is shetty imo

[tender sage]

Well don't upgrade then

[glossy sorrel]

• even more bloatware + data collection

[analog ridge]

there is no bloatware.

its features

that do fuck all if not in use

and data collection is good, its called telemetrics and helps the os development

[glossy sorrel]

[tender sage]

And + u can trun that off

Turn

[analog ridge]

no seriously, its a good thing

[glossy sorrel]

idk, i feel like w11 is overhyped, and ms is just taking the wrong approach here ngl

[tender sage]

Cool I really like win11 and think it's a great upgrade

[glossy sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-13416222

[analog ridge]

its not been hyped at all, and is a necessary update to allow modern security features.

[glossy sorrel]

The security features were always here, they're now forcing it on users

[analog ridge]

why would you care if a developer has access to annonomised telemetrics to help develop features that are in use or identify bugs.

[tender sage]

Yea but win11 is bringing it up

[glossy sorrel]

" anonymised "

[analog ridge]

yes and provbable as such

and have been many many times

also why would you care if people knew how many times your app crashed?

[glossy sorrel]

thats a very big understatement

windows 10 alone, (at least officially), collects:
edit: nvm, comment gets auto-removed due to having too many lines

[analog ridge]

not true.

thats cortana and only if you enable it

[glossy sorrel]

[tender sage]

Cortana I disabled that within 5 seconds after installing win

[analog ridge]

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/data-collection-windows its like there is a policy or something

and its this.

not true and will hit the spam filter

if you are going to try to post it, just post the source.

[glossy sorrel]

put it in paste bin

https://pastebin.com/wvVath1Q

• source their own privacy policy

[tender sage]

Pastbin

[analog ridge]

I linked that

and nope.

[glossy sorrel]

and thats only what they say they collect

[analog ridge]

but its not

do you have a source for that

[glossy sorrel]

their privacy policies

[analog ridge]

nope I linked that

[tender sage]

And it's not like android phones collect more data then windows

[glossy sorrel]

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

[analog ridge]

have you read that?

[glossy sorrel]

ofc not, i didnt just quote it 5 secs ago

[analog ridge]

well you didnt quote it.

you at best paraphrased it

and incorrectly

[glossy sorrel]

i find it hilarious how even microsoft fanboys, dont see windows 11 as private: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/o84nrk/one_thing_microsoft_didnt_discuss_windows_11/

[analog ridge]

did you read the source?

[glossy sorrel]

i was talking about the comments

[analog ridge]

or are you paroting reddit users opinions about a source they didnt read either.

[glossy sorrel]

anyways, ima brb

"its not just a design update"

[tender sage]

Mate if u don't like windows getting so much data just use macos

[analog ridge]

not shilling just correcting misinformation

[tender sage]

And I don't think windows did ever day it was just a design update

Say*

[analog ridge]

nope and nor is it.

[jagged sentinel]

i mean the only significant changes that can be said that weren't just "design updates" would be from Windows 2000 -> XP, XP->Vista, and 8->10

introduction of UAC perms, complete redesign of settings panels and notifications, and driver model changes

[analog ridge]

bitlocker on home.

[jagged sentinel]

I don't understand the insistence on every update being some ground breaking reimagining of a system that works and works well

[tender sage]

And win10 to win11 is going from dx11 to dx12 which shouldn't be a huge deal unless u use super super old cards

[jagged sentinel]

when's the last time Linux fundamentally changed? why don't people complain when Ubuntu changes from Unity to Gnome by saying "it was only an aesthetics change!"

[analog ridge]

ongoing iteration is a good thing, especially when the update is free

[tender sage]

Yea

[jagged sentinel]

I've read about that

I know a lot of people still despise it

but that was yeeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago, which was my point

the same people that decry windows for not making major fundamental changes sit by and are happy with a mostly stagnant Linux

that's so damn stationary that programs from the 80s will still run

[glossy sorrel]

I find it funny how linux got bought into this when it wasn’t even mentioned but

[glossy sorrel]

I wouldn’t call linux stagnant, especially not when taking windows’ “amazing” innovation and development into consideration , but even so, desktop linux os’s are free, favoured by a minority, and often partially reliant on the community. In comparison microsoft asks for 100+ quid, or around 200 if u want to some more bloat in pro, and is a massive company.

[jagged sentinel]

you're just advertising linux to me

i already know what it is and use it frequently

[glossy sorrel]

My main point was that windows 11 is just overhyped, it should’ve just been windows 10 20H3 or something imo

[jagged sentinel]

I'm specifically calling out people that are complaining that W11 isn't some groundbreaking change when a) that's only happened a handful of times in previous Windows updates, nobody complained then, and b) those same people are typically linux fans and don't complain when linux updates are incredibly minor

[jagged sentinel]

It's W11 and not that specifically for marketing reasons

It's way easier to just say "You need X requirements to run Windows 11" than to say "You need X requirements to run this specific update of Windows 10 and later" when the majority of people will have never heard of the 20HX style of naming

[glossy sorrel]

ig

[jagged sentinel]

And plus a new name coincides with the new look+feel of it

[glossy sorrel]

Yeah but they’ll have much less funding than microsoft has

[jagged sentinel]

Microsoft submits a ton of patches to the Linux kernel anyways

fun fact

Microsoft and friends also have a bunch of people on for example the C and C++ committee teams and their compiler dev teams as well

very fun, very cool

[silent rock]

H3

[cold pawn]

Baboabooey

[inland seal]

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/09/02/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22449/

https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-breaks-windows-11-by-injecting-ads/amp/

[rotund lichen]

Yeah, considering that windows 11 will have ads apparently, I'm definitely going to stick to windows 10 for as long as possible.
...but who's to say microsoft won't add ads to windows 10?

[jagged sentinel]

this is extremely disappointing

[tender sage]

tf is this

must be the dev preview

beta preview doesnt have that

or at least on my laptop

[inland seal]

Beta preview definitely broke, too. I was struggling trying to figure it out for a while last night.

[tender sage]

weird on my laptop it runs fine

and its all updated

[inland seal]

🤷‍♀️

[tender sage]

my only issue with win11 rn is translucent tb doing some funky issues

[inland seal]

I'm pissed off at the fact that auto-hide doesn't work on the second monitor.

This was apparently fixed in the Dev update yesterday, though.

Probably going to swap over to that from Beta.

[tender sage]

i havent tried multi monitor yet lol was going to tonight

[dire jolt]

I was lucky, my prebuilt PC from 2018 is perfectly compatible with Windows 11

[tender sage]

i mean its not hard to run'

dx12 gpu is prob the only part that will not let people upgrade to it

[jagged sentinel]

The more restrictive part is Ryzen 2000 or Intel 8000 and later

[tender sage]

where do u see that all i see is cpu needs to be 1ghz or faster

[jagged sentinel]

It's been in a lot of MS communication and there's official pages on MSDN about it too

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/windows-11-requirements

you can click on the link for compatible processors

scroll down and here's amd https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

here's intel https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

[rotund lichen]

Oh sad. My old crappy g4560 can't run it.

[cold pawn]

H

[terse river]

ok cool so my 2200G is fine

[cold pawn]

will windows 10 still get updates for the next few years after win11 launches?

[analog ridge]

2025..

[cold pawn]

3 and a half years is good enough

unless they stop security updates

[tawdry valve]

I have my Rights

We have a choice to stick to win10 right?

[terse river]

if you want to

[leaden oxide]

It's based on Zen (1), so 1000 series CPUs

[terse river]

yes

good job

lol

I don't even have the processor

I was just using it to show that saying 2000 series isn't really enough

[knotty solstice]

@terse river the real question is the 1600AF. Is that Zen or Zen+?

[terse river]

zen 1 right?

Isn't it just zen 1 on a small node

[knotty solstice]

I dont think that is how it works though, I think it actually is zen+, isn't it?

for example it runs on X570 boards when a 1600 does not

@terse river In December 2019 AMD silently launched a new variant, dubbed Ryzen 5 1600 "AF" (based on the changed SKU). It's based on the newer and improved Zen+ architecture and user testings suggest a slightly higher boost clock (3600Mhz compared to 3300MHz for original "AE") under multi-core load compared to the fresh-man 1600.

according to wikichip https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_5/1600

[terse river]

i dunno it's weird

@knotty solstice it's not on the compatibility list so it's not compatible

[knotty solstice]

I wonder if it would pass the check though, is MS actually checking model numbers or just supported features? @terse river

[terse river]

It's a CPU whitelist

they're actually checking models

[knotty solstice]

@terse river so is a 4700s on their list? Pretty sure it's not

[leaden oxide]

Isn't

[terse river]

yeah it's not

[leaden oxide]

I think it's just CPUs that have TPM 2.0 integrated

[terse river]

idk

@leaden oxide it's not that

Because the 1600 has TPM 2.0 support

Either the 4700S just counts as a 4700 or people are out of luck @knotty solstice

[knotty solstice]

@terse river The Ryzen 5 1600 AF is compatible with Windows 11, I am currently running Windows 11 on my 1600 AF Based machine and it has stated it will continue to receive. The freshly updated PC Health Check app also states my CPU is compatible,

https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/ryzen-5-1600-af-windows-11-support/m-p/485545#M42755

[terse river]

weird

[knotty solstice]

cause it literally is a Zen+ part

[silent rock]

Zen+, since it's practically the same thing as a 2600.

[terse river]

I realised what makes me so uncomfortable about this topic channel

it has capital letters and spaces

scary stuff

[rotund lichen]

Oh, yeah

That's strange

[terse river]

Maybe. Who am I to judge?

[inland seal]

You can blame @analog ridge. I hate it.

[analog ridge]

windows11

Fixed 😄

[inland seal]

Better.

[terse river]

can you put the space back in it

the space was cool at least

[analog ridge]

windows 11

[terse river]

nice

[cold pawn]

I might get a 8th gen laptop

At least some windows 11 juice

[earnest granite]

is it good?

[rotund lichen]

Windows 11?

[jagged sentinel]

No, pistachios

[rotund lichen]

oh yea pistachios are good

[inland seal]

I swapped back to the Dev channel because it fixed the taskbars on multiple monitors.

Here's hoping nothing else breaks.

[silent rock]

what's the issue you had with multimonitor taskbar?

haven't noticed anything wrong so far

[inland seal]

I prefer my taskbars to be hidden.

Couldn't get the one on the secondary monitor to pop up.

[silent rock]

ah

i have mine showing at all times, so didn't notice that

[inland seal]

I'm still pissed that I can't move them from the bottom.

Hidden at the top has always been my go-to.

[rotund lichen]

I have my main one at the left.

...come to think of it, that might be an issue if I put another monitor over there...

[dire jolt]

can't wait for Michaelsoft Binbows 11 (final version)

[cold pawn]

i have a 1600 as fuck too and i aint supported💔

still waiting for release to public

[silent rock]

date's already out, just wait

[cold pawn]

oh true i didnt know that

[tulip swan]

Can't switch from dev to beta ):

I'm screwed

[cold pawn]

i'm not that excited for win11

i'mma stay with windows 10 for as long as i can

[earnest granite]

yes

[rotund lichen]

Not right now afaik, it's still being developed.

[earnest granite]

ok

[rotund lichen]

I haven't tried it out myself though

[earnest granite]

but will it be better for gaming?

[jagged sentinel]

Full release is next month

[jagged sentinel]

It will be the same

[rotund lichen]

oh already?

[earnest granite]

ight

[cold pawn]

If I get someone coming from KSA to PAK then I get windows 11 supported laptop

My uncle said it’s like a Dell latitude 7490

[knotty solstice]

open CPUz and see what it says? you sure you have the AF 12nm Pinnacle Ridge one?

[cold pawn]

i have this one

oh windows 11 thread thats good

[knotty solstice]

that is not an AF

[cold pawn]

WELP

[knotty solstice]

that is what an AF looks like

[cold pawn]

WELP

[cold pawn]

win11 widgets allegedly having high ram use problems

[mint lark]

Vista comeback

[coral harbor]

why can't i see the storage space on my drives

[silent rock]

right click > view > tiles

[coral harbor]

im fucking stupid

i must've changed it and didn't even realize

[terse river]

Lol

[quiet radish]

Will everyone need a new product key for Windows 11 if they don't do the free upgrade?

[analog ridge]

they are

[rotund lichen]

Quick question, are there any changes windows 11 brings other than aesthetics changes?

[knotty solstice]

yes there are some

[rotund lichen]

What are they?

[knotty solstice]

a big one is the scheduler, apparently it was completely redone for BIG.little

[analog ridge]

A lot more security applied by default and intergal to the os

[rotund lichen]

alright

[rotund lichen]

good idea

true

[jagged sentinel]

with the unofficial ISO from June, correct?

[knotty solstice]

there are official ISO's now @sand bramble

[jagged sentinel]

i know, i was suggesting it

[ebon torrent]

Should i go for Insider Beta channel or Dev one?

[dawn vale]

Technically all Insider Previews are free evaluations

[analog ridge]

its less than a month, wait for release.

[dawn vale]

Whichever

I find them all drivable enough

[coral harbor]

but i wanna be free labour for microsoft and you can't stop me

[dawn vale]

But I have my homework done

Can burn the whole setup at any time and restart

[analog ridge]

but the bugfixes have all been signed off, and retail is packed, its just wasting your time and everybodyelses.

[coral harbor]

how is it wasting everyone else's time

[analog ridge]

when you ask for support 😄

[coral harbor]

i installed the beta for no reason, been fine, can't wait til it breaks

but to be fair all i do on my pc is spew garbage on bapo and play games

[inland seal]

I'm on the Dev channel.

Beta didn't have a fix for the taskbar.

[dawn vale]

Indeed, the Preview enrollment requires you start from a licensed state when done from client Windows

But my legal Education copy, when promoted to Insiders, is treated as an evaluation regardless

[tender sage]

this looks way diff then home lmao

or i may just be going nuts

[dawn vale]

Taskbar visuals

that's all

I have no wireless on the desktop either

[and no battery]

so we share all of two icons

I assume we're on the same build

[tender sage]

im on beta

[dawn vale]

unlikely, then

oh well

[silent rock]

mine looks like gleeb's on beta

[tender sage]

it looks diff for me then guess im going nuts

[tender sage]

besides the other things people said there is also going to be a partnership with the amazon app store later on after the release date

but im sure u heard of that

[rotund lichen]

Oh right that

But no significant performance changes, right?

[tender sage]

dx11 to dx12

and right now

im thinking win11 is a bit under optimized

my laptop battery is better in games then on idle

[rotund lichen]

Hah

[tender sage]

that and my cinebench score droped 3k points

but hopefully thats just me and the actuall release or ur experince is better

[rotund lichen]

Beta releases are always unoptimized afaik

[tender sage]

hopefully lol

i dont want to reinstall windows to get my battery life back

[dawn vale]

Instrumentation is not cheap

[tender sage]

?

[dawn vale]

👌

[inland seal]

Is the notification center broken for you, too?

[dawn vale]

Insider builds are chock-full of additional instrumentation

Mainly because, well, we're all voluntary test subjects

So there's plenty of diagnostics being tracked and sent

[dawn vale]

Nope.

[inland seal]

Clicking on the date/time/notification icon doesn't pull anything up.

[dawn vale]

It works well for me.

[inland seal]

Hm.

[inland seal]

Odd.

[dawn vale]

Freshly installed?

Might want to hit the restart at some point

It's finicky

[inland seal]

Nah, I've been running Win 11 since day 2.

[dawn vale]

I would not know in that case

Most likely broken from the start through upgrades

Here's an interesting quirk

it took the latest preview to make Start launch on both my monitors

previously, it only worked on the primary monitor

[inland seal]

Huh.

[dawn vale]

and note that I had to reinstall to get that going

Upgrades probably don't eliminate old bugs

[inland seal]

The latest preview was the first one to fix the auto-hide taskbar on both screens.

[dawn vale]

I'm still irked by things I reported ages ago

They're still not being acted upon

It's maddening

[inland seal]

Infuriating.

[dawn vale]

There's also winget

[inland seal]

Which is super cool.

[dawn vale]

it's great, and I assume will at some point become shipped with Windows

by default

but:

it doesn't work for me!

in fact, it doesn't work for a whole class of users

see: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli/issues/1435

[inland seal]

Yikes.

[dawn vale]

we're having fucking character map issues.

in 2021...

[inland seal]

[dawn vale]

I only hope they're not going to bury the ticket

I would actually volunteer to fix it myself, but there's a problem

I have no idea how std::filesystem::rename is implemented under Windows

it likely maps to some Windows call, but I don't know which one

and without that, I can't understand why it behaves the way it does

the joys of bugfixing on closed stuff, eh

[inland seal]

Woo?

[dawn vale]

It won't be nice if they bury this

I'll keep pinging them weekly

This is a big omission

[inland seal]

Yeah, that's huge and definitely needs to be fixed.

[dawn vale]

But

There is a fortunate aspect to all of this

It made me do some good testing of winget's most useful feature, by far

Package autodetection!

You can install something without using winget and it'll still detect the install

[and consequently be able to manage it]

[inland seal]

Fancy.

[dawn vale]

So it's a nice in-place upgrade to existing systems too

I have no idea how they've actually done that, though

[tender sage]

Ah hopefully when I go to the public release build it will fix all my issues with it so far

But that's a few weeks out

[umbral gazelle]

Has win 11 optimized the CPU time wasted on unused features

[dawn vale]

No point

There was none being wasted in the first place

[terse river]

I mean, what does “unused” means

If they aren’t using resources then they don’t use any resources

[dawn vale]

[terse river]

So like I guess the answer is no they haven’t optimised it because there’s nothing to optimise

[dawn vale]

Not to mention the part where you can just excise the things you genuinely don't use.

It hasn't been hard in the last five years.

[umbral gazelle]

I double dog dare you to go into the service components widow

[dawn vale]

Okay

What of it

[umbral gazelle]

And tell me there's not wasted latency

[dawn vale]

Wasted latency?

[umbral gazelle]

I make my PC feel new again with that

Yeah disablinb services like the wireless display

It was never on but it still runs

[dawn vale]

Yes there's a bit of a problem with this

Running need not mean doing anything

consequently using anything

[umbral gazelle]

It made a world of a difference

[dawn vale]

I'd like to see how much latency was genuinely saved with some actionable data

Because the amounts saved generally don't fall into the visible range

At least from what individual latency measurements in the whole input chain have shown

[umbral gazelle]

Idk how to quantify it but it felt like I just saw 144hz for the first time again

[terse river]

Nah

[dawn vale]

Right, but that's the eye test, and an eye test isn't convincing

[umbral gazelle]

I play comp fps tho so I am more sensitive to things like this

[dawn vale]

Hm

No I'm not sure we're talking amounts that you'd feel even at that refresh rate

[terse river]

You know what else makes people feel like a screen is smoother? Simply telling them that it is

I’m not joking

[dawn vale]

How do I best put this into perspective

[terse river]

You can tell people “this screen is smoother than that screen” and they’ll look at both and agree with you

Even if they’re the same screen

If you’re expecting to see a difference then yeah I can understand why you would

[dawn vale]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2803/7

[terse river]

But without actual objective measurements I do not believe you

[dawn vale]

Here's the thing

Generally, the whole chain

[umbral gazelle]

I I will see if I have a video recording of it I remember getting so excited that I filmed my monitor with my phone

[dawn vale]

as in, the whole input chain

[umbral gazelle]

But I can guarantee you that it wasnt placebo

[dawn vale]

has been observed to suffer from a general latency figure of ~100ms

this is down to actual hardware- physics

[terse river]

It’ll need to be in slow motion

And with something that indicates when an input has occured

Something visual

[umbral gazelle]

It was 60fps, it showed up really clearly in the footage

[dawn vale]

Ideally, you would also know the game is not wasting latency

This need not be the case

But here's the point I'm trying to make

Your whole chain

has a compound figure, on average, well below what can be considered a sensible reaction time

Your OS is the last of your worries

Disabling core system services for want of "latency" is, thus far- and it's really been a while

largely unsubstantiated

nobody's even managed to procure accurate measurements

[umbral gazelle]

You're saying that performance gain would be neutralized by some other aspect of the chain, idk what that is called, schedule?

[dawn vale]

I'm saying you're gimped by your hands, then your hardware, then maybe your settings, then maybe the game

[umbral gazelle]

Hopefully you understand when I mean but I write some ods shit like that

[terse river]

If a wireless display driver is actually causing latency problems it’s due to a major bug in the driver

Like a MAJOR bug

Not just “resources being wasted on unused services”

[dawn vale]

A service sitting around, waiting, yielding its timeslice constantly for having nothing to do- that's not the source of your issues

I'm not saying freak accidents have never happened

Sometimes you have had genuine issues that had a measurable impact on latency

[umbral gazelle]

Im synesthetic I wouldn't be able to miss something like that on my hand

[dawn vale]

But what I'm also saying is that you have so many things in the chain it's quite difficult to try tackling every single one

or even measuring the effect of every single one

[umbral gazelle]

But I didn't just disable component services I also deleted firewall rules and set it to reqyire a rule in and out

There's a lot of things that I destroyed in Windows

[dawn vale]

I see no point or gain in that

But do as you please

And believe is best

[umbral gazelle]

I changed the CPU core affinity the priority I changed the task scheduler I deleted a shit ton of registry files I disabled a lot of drivers

It was honestly huge idk what to say

[terse river]

Have fun when something just doesn’t work and you have no idea why

And the only solution is a complete reinstall

[dawn vale]

If out-and-out performance is what you'd like, go on ahead, I guess

But do be careful

Some things are not quite meant to be meddled with

[umbral gazelle]

I had a lot of fun doing that troubleshooting

Also brave sloth you're being kind of a prick

[dawn vale]

Admittedly, I'm humoring the idea more than I should

If we're going based on what we've got some kind of data for, it's all pretty unsubstantiated

[umbral gazelle]

Windows was literally amputated beyond recognition

If you have fun tweaking windows I highly recommend it

[dawn vale]

The last time I heard someone claim frenetic Windows tweaking was the solution, it was some mad Bulgarian that tried to pawn off his dirty, God-knows-how modified Windows ISO on people

I have fun tweaking the system in generally non-breaking ways

[umbral gazelle]

And you know what that's actually how my laptop has come to its end

[dawn vale]

Hm

I'm not entirely sure I buy that

[umbral gazelle]

I broke my installed OEM windows

[dawn vale]

Sure

[umbral gazelle]

Windows couldn't repair

[dawn vale]

Reinstall it again

It's a fifteen-minute job

[umbral gazelle]

I don't wanna make an image

[dawn vale]

That's strictly a you problem

[umbral gazelle]

This laptop has already died for me emotionally

It's lived a long life

[dawn vale]

No comment

[umbral gazelle]

2 years to be exact

That's not a very long way but it felt like a long life considering when I put it thru

[terse river]

Saying I'm being a prick and then admitting that you already did the thing that I was talking about is some top tier banter

[dawn vale]

I think that's just a hilarious waste of hardware

Put it to some decent use and quit butchering your OS for no reason. If butchering's your kind of deal, there are experiences designed from the ground up for that

CS:GO has native Linux binaries, doesn't ti?

[umbral gazelle]

It wasn't a waste I got more than my $600 worth and by that point I was already getting components together for my new px

[dawn vale]

If you genuinely want a ride down latency lane, try your hand at a Linux distribution next

You'll find that

[umbral gazelle]

Yeee

[dawn vale]

A) they're more tolerant of rampant, unnecessary modification

and B) you can do something with rampant, unnecessary modification

it might be a complete counterproductive effect, that's also been observed, but it'll sure do something

[umbral gazelle]

Yeah too bad valorant anti cheat doesn't run on Linux

[dawn vale]

even if that something is the exact opposite of what you'd like

[umbral gazelle]

That's the only bummer I'm going to dual boot it anyways

Yeah I have an options addiction

[dawn vale]

I can tell

Which is fine

As long as you don't outright recommend the same to people that don't know better

[umbral gazelle]

Anything I gives me more power than I should have it's just euphoric

[dawn vale]

Hacking is a fun activity, but it's best experienced in an environment that's conducive to it

[umbral gazelle]

whenever I tell people I'm doing they don't want anything to do with it

[dawn vale]

I don't blame them

[umbral gazelle]

Yeah. Really fucking annoying to use that computer towards the end

[dawn vale]

Functionality is the number one priority of most people, not without reason

[umbral gazelle]

My God it was fast I literally I have never seen the cursor move so continuously on desktop

That's the thing basically made the movement extremely continuous

[inland seal]

...

[dawn vale]

I'm not sure I follow the logic, but then again, I'm not particularly keen on it either way

[inland seal]

@dawn vale The calendar and notifications just started working again.

I'm not sure what I did.

[dawn vale]

Nice

[umbral gazelle]

I can rephrase with that

[inland seal]

I haven't restarted the computer.

[dawn vale]

You don't need to, I get the gist of it

But yes

Happy hacking, and try your hand at a *nix distro with, perhaps, Liquorix or XanMod next

[inland seal]

In fact, they just popped up out of the blue. Taskbar was hidden. I'm working on something in a Chrome window.

[dawn vale]

[or whatever manner of two-bit hack you find/devise]

[umbral gazelle]

What are you doing?

[dawn vale]

Erratic behavior has been pretty common in the Insider Previews thus far

One of the builds produced Explorer/shell restarts every 15 minutes

[inland seal]

Taking a practice exam for the A+.

I have my Core 2 exam tomorrow.

[dawn vale]

I would not be worried about something like the A+ if I were in your position

[terse river]

Core 2? Wow that's old

[dawn vale]

I think you'll ace it

[inland seal]

I'm not overly worried.

But I would very much like not to fail.

[umbral gazelle]

Is that like a course on how CPU architecture interacts with ein

If you can still buy that stuff I have a question for y'all

[inland seal]

Nah. Pretty basic certification for working in IT.

[umbral gazelle]

This it's impossible to explain I don't have the technical knowledge required LOL

I want to make it good for music production but no one fucking in the ass but that actually entails besides an SSD and a decent CPU

There's an idea that you have to minimize system interrupts because those directly taxing your buffer size operate under, the goal is to be as close to real time rendering as possible

Well if anyone's up to answer this one or try to answer it would be greatly appreciated

I can add more information about how a daw operates too

[terse river]

Surely the answer is just throw more CPU at it

[umbral gazelle]

Unfortunately not

I wish that was the answer but you have to like optimize every single USB device that's plugged in to computer and you choice of hardware has to play nice because if there's some kind of conflict thats like 5% of the buffer gone

[terse river]

CPUs are so much faster than they were 4 years ago

Were people not able to do real time music production 4 years ago

It seems like it would be pretty binary on whether the processor can keep up or not

[umbral gazelle]

CPU isn't the bottleneck now

[terse river]

Not like video editing where it can be slow to varying degrees

[umbral gazelle]

And to say nothing to do with synths outran the bottlenecks

The amount you can do*

I'll get it one day

[terse river]

So what's the bottleneck

I'm not sure I follow

Is it RAM speed?

Is it storage speed?

[umbral gazelle]

Ran could be, I got some 14 14 14 34 memory so I think I would be covered there

Though I don't really know how that Larry will behave in my system

You have to do memory training for the timings?

And the storage is pissing me off because when people say fast storage the only thing I've ever talking about is like read and write speeds

Is it IO/s that well give a storage drive the latency for information access

It's giving me a headache

[jagged sentinel]

You can find latency information online and from anyone yet actually knows what they are talking about

[umbral gazelle]

Yes finding that is not as easy as you would imagine

There's a lot of ppl like me that sound like they know what they're talking about to a noob but in reality they don't

Is kind of hard to filter out noise in the PC enthusiast space because 85% of all information is crap

[terse river]

I simply don't trust anyone until they provide hard numbers

[umbral gazelle]

Yes and especially to interpret them

It's just choose whatever numbers fit their narrative and call it a day, leave out the rest

Yeah you know what I wonder why it's so bad for this type of thing because this does not really happen in music production If communities the way I see it here, I wonder if it has to do with a younger overall audience combined with the cost of buying into this hobby

It kind of makes you more Invested in being right about you understanding of things

[dawn vale]

It's just the size of the respective communities

Music production and PC building don't register on the same fucking order of magnitude in terms of baseline knowledge and relative popularity

Consequently, there's less involvement required here

[knotty solstice]

https://videocardz.com/newz/windows-11-will-be-faster-thanks-to-cpu-memory-and-storage-optimizations

they claim 30% CPU and memory improvements...

[jagged sentinel]

https://youtu.be/oIYHRRTCVy4 they link this video here

so it basically depends on if you trust someone from the "Windows Management Team" in an obviously orchestrated interview

[terse river]

I mean it's a first party source

it's better than an anonymous source @jagged sentinel

[jagged sentinel]

that is true

[dawn vale]

or, better still

actual third-party sources, like Anand, discussing known improvements to components

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881/a-deep-dive-into-intels-alder-lake-microarchitectures/2

[terse river]

that's alder

the article above was talking about windows in general @dawn vale

[dawn vale]

In previous versions of Windows, the scheduler had to rely on analysing the programs on its own, inferring performance requirements of a thread but with no real underlying understanding of what was happening. Windows 11 leverages new technology to understand different performance modes, instruction sets, and it also gets hints about which threads rate higher and which ones are worth demoting if a higher priority thread needs the performance.

[solar halo]

average user needs a 30% better cpu just to be able to update without a work around

[dawn vale]

pretty sure the average user will be able to muster an upgrade to a 2017-era machine by 2025

pretty standard service lifetime, really, and the workaround is always there

[jagged sentinel]

Do we know if the direct storage requirements need the OS to be installed on the NVMe or if the game just needs to be installed on the NVMe

[coral harbor]

@inland seal are you on the latest W11 update?

got a funny problem pop up with it, its kinda fun but annoying

[dawn vale]

explain

@coral harbor

[inland seal]

I am at home, yeah.

Not in the office.

[coral harbor]

i cant explain but let me demonstrate

....of course it stops happening when im about to show it

[inland seal]

Yeah, I like the settings a lot more.

[coral harbor]

same

the issue i had was when i drag a window it moves as if i shot a 10000000fps slow-mo video

it just moves smoothly and extremely slowly

it fixed itself it seems like

[jagged sentinel]

that used to be an issue with Office if you had high usb or mouse polling rates

[coral harbor]

interesting

it seems to have gone away

[tender sage]

To bad win11 is limited gpu tho

[potent sparrow]

7 1700 baby

[full zenith]

confusion

I somehow still get updates

[dawn vale]

Well, you will get updates of some kind

They're just no longer going to be for the relevant Insider flight

You're already gone from flighting if that's what it shows

[cold pawn]

How do I remove this orange notification

[coral harbor]

Click it

Should go away

[cold pawn]

I think I just have so many discord notifications that it's always orange

I unpinned and repinned to taskbar and it's gone now

[jagged sentinel]

So clear those notifications

Right click > Mark as read for each server

Then mute them so you stop getting unnecessary notifications

[terse river]

or you could fix it properly and turn these off in notification settings https://i.imgur.com/cKS6kMR.png

[jagged sentinel]

Except I want to see notifications for when I get pinged or when a server I want notifications from posts

[terse river]

cool

this doesn't disable that

it just disables it on the taskbar

[tender sage]

i just have push notifcations on then i get it on my phone and not my pc

[jagged sentinel]

right but that's what i would want lol

[terse river]

this implies that you don't have a monitor whose sole purpose is having discord open @jagged sentinel

[jagged sentinel]

i often have several other applications open on top of it lol

[terse river]

then you need more monitors

how many do you have

[jagged sentinel]

2 usually 3

[terse river]

sounds like you need 4

not much that can be done I'm afraid

[full zenith]

ah I see

so I get the actual windows 11 updates

kind of like windows 10 without insider

I'm guessing that is

[jagged sentinel]

you may get updates

microsoft is saying they may not push updates for unsupported systems

which basically means you'll probably get them delayed or with bugs

[brittle edge]

Windows 11?

[terse river]

the one after windows 10

[jagged sentinel]

Before Windows 15

[silent rock]

but not after windows 9

[analog ridge]

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[cold pawn]

Can I delete Windows.old folder?

[jagged sentinel]

it automatically deletes after a few weeks iirc, it's there in case something messes up from upgrading you can revert back @cold pawn

[tender sage]

aw i missed out on somone getting banned

[zinc tree]

It's a server of around 80,000+ members, bans aren't that special.

[tender sage]

when u stick to like 1-2 channels its fun to see them

[cold pawn]

why am i getting windows 11 drivers

[rotund lichen]

it's for both 11 and 10 buddy

[cold pawn]

but why am i getting drivers for 11 before it even released

[rotund lichen]

beta/development versions are out

it really shouldn't matter to you since that driver will work with 10

[jagged sentinel]

Anyways Windows 11 is in Preview so Intel needs to have driver support for 11 for those testing it

The same driver works for both that is why they are listed together

[cold pawn]

wow i can message here

can't wait for windows 11 tho

i get XR upgrade bro gets 13 pro max

[tawdry valve]

If i went to windows 11. Will games still run?

[inland seal]

They should.

I haven't had any issues so far.

[jagged sentinel]

All your programs should be compatible.

[rotund lichen]

Yeah windows 11 is more or less just a windows 10 reskin with a few added features, right?

actually that kinda sounds like most windows updates

[jagged sentinel]

i mean there's some deeper changes that are more than a reskin but it's still all compatible

[knotty solstice]

So I am officially maining dev branch for the next ~10 days. Wish me luck!

[jagged sentinel]

Why@knotty solstice

[tawdry valve]

Is it true there gon be android built in?

So i can play amogus

[jagged sentinel]

Yes I guess lol

It's a translation for Android apps

Not necessarily Android built in

[inland seal]

Because it fixes the hidden taskbar issue.

That was my reasoning, at least.

[tender sage]

there is a collab with the amazon app store which includes android apps but when it win11 is first released it wont be there.

[knotty solstice]

I'm away so I only have the surface haha

Worth though

[coral harbor]

Pretty

[jagged sentinel]

@knotty solstice you use W11 on your computer

does it work with all of your external devices

like the DAQs

[coral harbor]

What's DAQ

[knotty solstice]

Yea literally 0 issues with compatibility haha

[jagged sentinel]

good to hear

I am going to wait until I upgrade to 11 to verify all my engineering devices work

[knotty solstice]

Data Acquisition @coral harbor

[knotty solstice]

I would be surprised if anything is broken tbh. It isn't like there are major changes from 10 in that regard

[jagged sentinel]

W11 is still going to have DX11 lol

it's not going to force games to start using DX12, that would break too much stuff

Although DX backwards compatibility is mostly alright

That is not at all how that works

if a game was made in DX11, W11 requiring a DX12 card is not going to change anything

[terse river]

The DX12 requirement is there so that developers and Microsoft all know that every single Windows 11 machine will support the same minimum feature set

[jagged sentinel]

And there can be multiple reasons for a game performing worse in DX12... mostly related to just programming... DX12 is much harder to program than DX11 so many devs can just do worse at it. It's also designer with newer GPUs in mind so older ones may not have the architectural features DX12 is optimized for

[terse river]

Same with most of the other requirements for 12

[coral harbor]

Wtf

I love Paint3D

Isn't it on the Microsoft store?

Pretty sure I have it on my W11 install

[glossy sorrel]

[terse river]

it will be

and it'll be in 11 if you upgraded from 10

fresh installs won't include it

[static wigeon]

are there bugs in win 11

[analog ridge]

yes.

[dawn vale]

to be entirely fair

I haven't had Explorer crash on me in 5 builds now

but on the other hand

https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli/issues/1435

[coral harbor]

Winget install sometimes throws off invalid hash errors to me

Or something like that

Dunno why it happens or what causes it

Like winget install Spotify

Says hash doesn't match and aborts

[analog ridge]

its like 15 days till release, im waiting for that

[knotty solstice]

Did you see Amazon app store got listed?

Can't install it though

[analog ridge]

on 11? nice im waiting for release now

[jagged sentinel]

Still holding off lol

I remember MSFT said that retail sale will come out later, current release will only be for updaters... That was months ago dunno if it changed in MSFTs infinite wisdom

[analog ridge]

yea but if they hold tradition you will be able to iso download

[knotty solstice]

damn windows

that is clearly not centered

[coral harbor]

Close enough

[tiny vault]

maybe they just centered ur pinned stuff

so unpinned doesnt work yet

[knotty solstice]

@tiny vault no cause they all move when I open a new app

[tiny vault]

o my

[inland seal]

Strange.

It's centered on the second monitor.

But not on the primary.

[knotty solstice]

I ma like 99% sure it was fine on my desktop

@inland seal do you run Dev or Beta?

[inland seal]

Dev.

I'm pretty sure it used to be centered.

[knotty solstice]

yea I am dev ina this also

I bet it is a bug in Dev

cause my desktop was Beta and I never noticed it

[jagged sentinel]

@knotty solstice if you put it to left align

Is it also offset

[silent rock]

releasing next month, too
i'm sure this will end well

[knotty solstice]

Left align works fine

[cold pawn]

wait 15 until windows 11???

guys i need help if that is the case

i have two options

1. buy concert tickets to see with friends
2. buy new cpu for windows

ok i’ve decided 1 already

windows11 can wait

[dawn vale]

no shit, genius.

you've got five years to do the upgrade.

go have fun with friends.

[cold pawn]

true LMAO as i was typing it i was like “why am i even questioning this”

[wooden trellis]

Why is changing default apps so much irritating in W11

[amber carbon]

Because they want you to use edge.

I can't think of any reason to force you to update each possible extension individually without giving you a "change all" button.

[rotund lichen]

edge isn't even that bad of a browser imo, it's just the fact that microsoft begs you to use it is so annoying

[silent rock]

edgium is great, M$ forcing it isn't

[rotund lichen]

Precisely

[terse river]

google also begs you to use their browser

they even have an entire operating system where chrome is the only choice of browser that you get

[jagged sentinel]

but nobody cares

[terse river]

because it's google and not microsoft

yeah

[rotund lichen]

Begs as in asks you to set chrome to default? Pretty sure every browser does that. Edge though, if you type in Chrome to the windows search bar, even if you have Chrome installed, edge will pop up and say "windows 10 recommended browser" or something like that. I can't speak for chromeos since a) in prefer not to use it and b) I haven't tried to install another browser on it.

[terse river]

they also pester you to download chrome when you use google search

[jagged sentinel]

lot of google sites say chrome is the best way to view

[rotund lichen]

Ah

Alright yeah that's equally obnoxious

But like you said, nobody cares because it's google

[mental narwhal]

I am going to try it in a VM

[zinc tree]

I'm probably going to put it on live hardware soon after launch, I've been running it in a virtual machine since the first developer preview and haven't encountered any problems thus far.

[analog ridge]

windows 11 game ready drivers have dropped

[coral harbor]

me when windows 11 officially drops:

[jagged sentinel]

Rip kepler

[knotty solstice]

One had dropped a while ago

[stark vortex]

Microsoft event now kek

[slender pelican]

oh?

[loud oxide]

I dont think I will.

Sorry, staying on Windows 10

[loud oxide]

True. and most use it because it has easiest integration with youtube and shit, something many, many people use.

I'm actually switching to vivaldi.

[silent rock]

try not to cut yourself on that edge.

[loud oxide]

lolol

[cold pawn]

i think i’ve already asked this but i forgot

will windows 11 perform ok with a ryzen5 2600, 16gb of 3200mhz ram and a 1050ti?

[dawn vale]

take a wild fucking guess

[knotty solstice]

why wouldn't it

[loud oxide]

hopefully perf issues (like the ones i had with my MAIN pc, about x10 less FPS? on roblox (not exact, but it was unplayable on lowest, when it did 60 on lowest no problem before) for example, get solved...

[cold pawn]

bc like a 1050ti isn’t like goals

idk i’m like viewing it as a windows vista type thing

[knotty solstice]

vista just loved RAM and was fine if your PC was fine

[analog ridge]

disagree

[knotty solstice]

I mean, it ran fine if you had like 2 (or was it 4?) gb, didn't it?

[analog ridge]

nah it was never fine

[vagrant notch]

we need some win11 bingo card for launch

[inland seal]

I never had issues with Vista.

I used it for... 3-4 years? Got a laptop with it my junior year of HS that I used for a while.

[analog ridge]

I supported 2k computers on it, I detested it.

[vagrant notch]

win11 is not shit

[dawn vale]

wym pray

it already isnt