Why are you going from a 9070xt to 5070ti

[lilac canyon]

@tired abyss cuz I can return for free

And cuda cores for ML AI

[ebon meteor]

pls dont do that

🥲

[rugged silo]

oh u finally got 5070ti? @lilac canyon

[lilac canyon]

I think I’m getting 5080 😭

[lilac canyon]

Why not

[rugged silo]

lol ok

glhf

but dont forget colab/kaggle/vast.ai/runprod are pretty good too

[lilac canyon]

I was told for certain projects the time save is super nice

[rugged silo]

colab education even has a100s

[lilac canyon]

🧐 that does sound jice

[rugged silo]

depends

if u do vision maybe

for anything LLM related 5080 is too weak for anything good

[lilac canyon]

Realistically I haven’t rly touched the field ngl I just don’t wanna regret not getting better stuff

[rugged silo]

unless ig u just wanna run some inference.. idk

[rugged silo]

u may regret getting better stuff too kekw

[lilac canyon]

I’m a second sem freshman rn

[rugged silo]

especially in this economy

[lilac canyon]

True

[rugged silo]

man u are some rich freshman

anyways yeah ur choice gl

but yeah look into educational colab ig

and kaggle

[lilac canyon]

It’s like I regret not getting a better cpu but I feel much better upgrading cpu down the line than gpu

[lilac canyon]

Any tips to get into tech field

[rugged silo]

apply for faang+

[lilac canyon]

Oh thanks 🙏

[rugged silo]

and practice LC

[lilac canyon]

Saving in notes

[rugged silo]

lots of people will tel u faang+ is shit and LC is shit

and LC is not a good indicator

blah blah blah

its the single best thing u can do for ur career is get faang+ internship(s)

then u can go anywhere from there

u stand out in resume screenings if u have faang+ for any job then onwards

and it has a snowball effect

and the earlier u can get in the better cuz the easier it is the earlier u do it (exponentially so, internships are super easy, new grad is much harder, L4 is even harder)

interns only have to get 2/4 interviews well

[lilac canyon]

Literally dumping my whole spending fund rn on this com

[rugged silo]

new grad has to get 5/6 or 4/4 well

[lilac canyon]

So that’s proabblt why I’m over thinking it as well

Damn

I might wanna transfer schools

[rugged silo]

well ig faang+ and LC has not much to do with ur comp

[lilac canyon]

I’m at ISU rn and we have 0 AI related classes

Illinois*

[rugged silo]

other than that ofc try to network with profs get involved in what u like try to make projects that are impactful out of the stuff u like

[lilac canyon]

I’m moving from actuary field which required just too much work for me

[rugged silo]

whether it be research, building ur own projects/software/app whatever, its also easier than ever to get started with vibe coding

[lilac canyon]

Compared to my habits

[rugged silo]

actuary is pretty good

[lilac canyon]

It is but the tests is just something I don’t like

[rugged silo]

idk if tech will be easier.. tho it hasnt been too hard ig.. idk..

the only hard thing was actually getting interviews

[lilac canyon]

Not good enough self study habits to study 4-6k hours

[rugged silo]

i applied to something like 3000 jobs

[lilac canyon]

Yikessss

[rugged silo]

tbf 80% were easy applies

[lilac canyon]

Still

[rugged silo]

so those are fast low effort low returns

[lilac canyon]

Crazy work

[rugged silo]

yeah

its also kinda sad

cuz its not really what u would wanna be doing with ur time

[lilac canyon]

Yeah fr

[rugged silo]

i found it depressing and mindnumbing and i have adhd so i find a hard time doing stuff thats not intellectually stimulating

thats why i say tech is kinda cooked

[lilac canyon]

Plus I can always move back to actuary in future as the college major in it is not required

[rugged silo]

actuary better i think

[rugged silo]

right

but ig prepping for the exam may be better?

what are the salaries like?

new grad faang+ make about 170k-250k$ total comp

[lilac canyon]

Erm 100 fresh outta college ish

Really depends on tests

Some people finish 2-4 some do 7-8 outta college

[rugged silo]

oh

then tech may be better ig?

whats the cieling?

[rugged silo]

are u just talking about average idk

[lilac canyon]

Uhhh my moms coworker rn is making 650k rn

[rugged silo]

cuz technically tech average is also 100k

but its not hard to get 200k

[lilac canyon]

Averages

Yeah same for actuary

[rugged silo]

how many years of exp?

[lilac canyon]

15-20

[rugged silo]

oh

[lilac canyon]

She’s moved out of actuary field tho so that’s why

But actuary base

[rugged silo]

people in tech with 5-7 years of exp make 650k rn

tho promotions have become a lot harder now..

[lilac canyon]

Yeah I’m switching cuz 300-600 of self study for each test is not soemthing im build for

[rugged silo]

yeah idk ur choice

[lilac canyon]

Built

[rugged silo]

but if u go for tech go hard on LC and faang+ in early years

[lilac canyon]

I mean worse comes rhe worst I switch and have a good gaming pc

[rugged silo]

then u can do whatever u want

[lilac canyon]

Ngl I haven’t even learned a language yet 😭

[rugged silo]

300-600?

[lilac canyon]

Ima grind rly hard

[lilac canyon]

Hours

[rugged silo]

i think it will be similar for SDE

especially if u dont know coding yet

[lilac canyon]

I know some but very baseline

[rugged silo]

tbf i think 150 hours of study can get u a job

but then u will have 300 hours of very boring resume tweaking work and applying etc

tbh i would rather study 300 hours

[lilac canyon]

For actuary it’s 1-2 can get college internship

[rugged silo]

beats resume tweaking and applying any day

[lilac canyon]

But that’s Alr 600 ish hours deep

At sophomore level

[rugged silo]

hmm

yeah fair ig

[lilac canyon]

I don’t know if I can dump that time rn for straight math

[rugged silo]

u can get internship 100-200 hours deep with tech ig

if u play ur cards right

[lilac canyon]

That’s a big diff to me

[rugged silo]

and get a bit lucky

[lilac canyon]

Even double that at 400

[rugged silo]

ngl tho

at least for me cuz i have adhd

[lilac canyon]

Cuz also despite study you have to take calc 3 + to even start studying for many

[lilac canyon]

Me too fr

[rugged silo]

soulless work for 3 hours is a lot lot more difficult than moderately interesting studying/challenge for 10 hours

[lilac canyon]

Idk if I can sit and study allat

Yeah

That’s why I’m considering it

[rugged silo]

idk what calc 3 is i am not from usa

[lilac canyon]

Still freshman so opening my options

Oh

Erm idek tbh

[rugged silo]

yeah ig thats a good idea

u can always switch majors too and pivot

[lilac canyon]

Accounting is also on the board as well

[rugged silo]

but yeah legit just do 75-150 LC

[lilac canyon]

I JSUT don’t love the progression

[rugged silo]

and build some projects

[lilac canyon]

Bet bet

[rugged silo]

and apply a fucktone

referrals too if they are useful at the company or if u can get em

ik google and meta dont consider referrals for newgrads.. idk for internships

internships are also a lot more fun

[lilac canyon]

Yeah mt moms a decent position at Allstate insurance if you know them and can help get internships

So as long as I relate it to that

[rugged silo]

apply to Jr SDE/Data science programs for amazon

for ur state

[rugged silo]

for actuary?

[lilac canyon]

Like they’re no FAANG but like

Still top 50 global I think

[rugged silo]

yeah its a start ig

[lilac canyon]

Any near it

Cuz she does operations

[rugged silo]

faang+ itself has like 50 companies at this point

what about quant?

[lilac canyon]

So she knows actuaries sales

Oh

[rugged silo]

kinda combines actuary and dev ig

[lilac canyon]

Considering but wanted to base myself in something first

At least one of the two

[rugged silo]

makes sense

[lilac canyon]

Especially since that’s very hard

[rugged silo]

if i were u i would try to pad out resume with a few faang+ internships

then aim for quant

[lilac canyon]

I’m not gonna shoot for the mix before I know one yk

Yes

[rugged silo]

but yeah idk u might be able to nepo ur way into actuary/quant better

and if u can nepo

[lilac canyon]

My adhd ahh behaviors lowkey fucking over cuz I can’t scale normally

[rugged silo]

do nepo

[lilac canyon]

And have to find what I enjoy

[rugged silo]

well u aint gonna enjoy applying to so many jobs and resume writing i think..

unless u do then great

[lilac canyon]

Lwokey better than studying for test

[rugged silo]

anyways a lot of people will tell u not to do LC and say its a waste of time

[lilac canyon]

Limit to how good my resume can be wrote with what I have fr

Compared to I can always study smth I don’t enjoy more than I alr have

Yk

[rugged silo]

single most useful/high return skill to advance ur career early on, unless u are doing cybersec

[rugged silo]

tbf for amazon they dont require much from 2nd years

but amazons a safety

ideally not end goal

its just something u grind to get it on ur resume

[lilac canyon]

Yeah I’ve applied to a few internships

[rugged silo]

cuz the work culture their usually sucks

[lilac canyon]

But I gotta take the tests lowkey

To score one

[rugged silo]

what?

which tests?

[lilac canyon]

Actuary

[rugged silo]

wait i thought u were doing tech

[lilac canyon]

I haven’t touched any coding related thing

Making switch rn

[rugged silo]

ok well whatever u do i hope/think it will work out

[lilac canyon]

Thanks thanks 🙏

[rugged silo]

which year r u in?

1st year?

[lilac canyon]

1

[rugged silo]

yeah ig its fine

even 2nd year is fine but yeah

[lilac canyon]

Yk ofc it would’ve been better to start esrlier

[rugged silo]

nah its fine

just grind out some hackathons projects etc over summer

[lilac canyon]

I was supposed to sit for an exam a year ago but my sister got hella hospitalized and I had to drop it

[rugged silo]

try to win some prizes if u can

build a user base

do some research

ofc learn coding

[lilac canyon]

What is coding order I should learn

[rugged silo]

enjoy and try to apply to faang+

learn python ig

good enough for most things and easy

and most people wouldnt look down on u for learning it lol

unlike JS

[lilac canyon]

I had some base knowledge before like finished python Michigan state certificate but I like had memory loss I think lowkey from stress of gf and family

And literally wiped all my knowledge + time of not doing it

[rugged silo]

yeah np

just brush up

if u already did a bit u will pick it back up faster

[lilac canyon]

Yeah

[rugged silo]

and nowadays u can prompt a lot of things

so its fine

[lilac canyon]

Will 5070 ti hold me back from learning anything

Compared to 5080

Ofc no big llm etc either way I JSUT don’t want to short myself

[rugged silo]

not really.. 5080 is just 15% faster at most

[lilac canyon]

Yeah with same vram

So it’s like

[rugged silo]

i doubt u will notice a training run taking 8 hours vs 10 hours

[lilac canyon]

Meh

[rugged silo]

its overnight lowkey regardless

lol

[lilac canyon]

Time is money 🫡

True

[rugged silo]

yeah thats kinda why i got 5070ti

[rugged silo]

it is but idk if u will notice it that much

u will still get the stuff done

[lilac canyon]

I’ll see if I can swing a 5080 with my shitty budget

[rugged silo]

just 15% slower training..

[lilac canyon]

I’m a broke ass college student

[rugged silo]

and thats if u are doing vision models

[lilac canyon]

Well especially at start I’ll notice 0

[rugged silo]

if u are doing LLMs

or diffusion

well diffusion u could do on 5070ti/5080 ig

but LLMs u really ought to do on a100s or something

h100s or a100s or something

[lilac canyon]

Maybe I just buy the 70 ti and save for workstation

[rugged silo]

ur uni cant provide one?

i know most unis do

cluster compute at the very least

[lilac canyon]

Well even if mine does

[rugged silo]

also colab has a100

[lilac canyon]

They’ll say I dotn need it yet

So

[rugged silo]

yeah that happens ig

but i doubt u can afford anything better than a 5080

[lilac canyon]

Which is true just wanna optimize before my return policy shuts yk

[lilac canyon]

Nope

[rugged silo]

can u buy a 5090?

[lilac canyon]

I’d buy a 5090 if I could

[rugged silo]

same lol

[lilac canyon]

Just dropped rest on a car and other stuff

[rugged silo]

where did u get this money blud

[lilac canyon]

No idea

[rugged silo]

thing is

[lilac canyon]

No savings

Basically

Got 12k for a car down payment

[rugged silo]

the amount of stuff u can/will need a 5070ti/5080 for is already pretty niche lol

[lilac canyon]

When I get bored of mustang fr

[rugged silo]

like first, u dont even know if u will do AI/ML

[lilac canyon]

Yeah

[rugged silo]

even if u do do it

[lilac canyon]

I like overly planning ahead

Fr

[rugged silo]

if u do diffusion training or LLMs

5080 is not enough

[lilac canyon]

I hate regretting things

[rugged silo]

5090 isnt either really

[lilac canyon]

Yeah true workstation cards

[rugged silo]

and those are the hot topics rn

so only thing u could do is maybe some diffusion finetuning/inference

on small datasets with LoRA maybe

[lilac canyon]

When I get to them who knows where the field will be anyways

[rugged silo]

yeah

5070ti/5080 is only good for computer vision really.. stuff like object detection models and such

lightweight models.. 100mil params or so

[lilac canyon]

I consider all this stuff training materials anywyas

[rugged silo]

even smallest LLMs are like 3B params

also LC doesnt require any gpu kekw

[lilac canyon]

Might just save for second com so I can game while it’s running

[rugged silo]

and honestly at ur stage they likely dont care about much rather than behavioural interview test and rudimentary LC/DSA knowledge

[lilac canyon]

Yeah fair

[rugged silo]

i would honestly buy a 5070ti but u do u

[lilac canyon]

I lowkey think my adhd brain wants the 5080 cuz 5070ti is like labeled budget in my head

[rugged silo]

considering i bought a 5070ti while know considerably more than u and vision being my main field

[lilac canyon]

Since 70 ti not as cool as 80

[rugged silo]

yeah ig

both have 16gb vram tho

[lilac canyon]

Personality trait thing

Yeah

[rugged silo]

another funny thing is that i tested

and for many lighter CNNs speed difference is even more negligible

once u OC memory on both

(which u should do for AI, +3000 mem oc)

[lilac canyon]

Maybe I’ll buy the 70 TI in 2 weeks when I go home and then if I don’t like I can always upgrade in 2 months with return pokicy

[rugged silo]

2 months return is pretty solid ig

i got a 5080 at first

compared some stuff with the help of a friend

decided on 5070ti

[lilac canyon]

Fair

[rugged silo]

then again ig at MSRP 5070ti and 5080 have a bigger %age diff

prices for gpu kinda stupid rn

[lilac canyon]

Maybe I’ll keep switching back and forth til they drop 😭

At my prices tech 5070 ti is higher % off keep

Msrp

Actually basically same since I rounded

[lilac canyon]

Do you think like different models in the card matters since it’ll be used for heavy amounts of time sometimes

Since cooking better on some

[rugged silo]

not really

just turn fan to 100% if its a big issue

PNY OC/ASUS prime/ZOTAC SOLID or zotac solid core are decent enough

[lilac canyon]

Ahhh

Alr alr

[rugged silo]

asus tuf

gigabyte windforce and some msi model was a bit meh but i doubt it will matter much..

especially in this economy

unless price diff is low

[lilac canyon]

Ill just get 5070 TI and see how much I can sell of my older tech if I wanna spoil myself

[lilac canyon]

Like those are not great?

[rugged silo]

yeah

but doesnt matter

[lilac canyon]

Also depending how good I run crimson desert I might just spoil myself

[rugged silo]

yeah ur choice ig

this gen diff between 5070ti and 5080 is kinda low

[lilac canyon]

Yeah

30% price inc for 10-20% performance depending on thing does seem shti

Especially cuz my main game is cpu bound and mine is suboptimal

[rugged silo]

yeah, but u said rn its 23% more price

anyways i do gotta sleep

[rugged silo]

oof

[lilac canyon]

Yesss sleep well thanks for advice fr

[rugged silo]

yeah id upgrade cpu

[lilac canyon]

Oh yes this

[rugged silo]

a lot of DL is just cpu ram and ssd too

[lilac canyon]

Sucks cuz I can’t return cpu 😞

[rugged silo]

tho as long as u have reasonable cpu ssd u just need a lot of ram

cuz no one codes good data loaders in AI

so u have a bunch of.. essentially memory leaks

duplication of same data

[lilac canyon]

7700x, 990 evo plus, gskill 32 ddr5 rn

[rugged silo]

across many workers

32gb a bit low

but o well

[lilac canyon]

Yeah I could save budget for ram

[rugged silo]

i run out of 96gb

[lilac canyon]

I bought everything in terms of gaming

[rugged silo]

but thats on windows ig

but kinda the point u may wanna be able to run VMs/docker at times

[lilac canyon]

Hmmm

Yeah

[rugged silo]

tbh

i would kinda stick with ur build kekw

for gaming 9070xt is better than 5070ti afaik

or about the same at least

[lilac canyon]

2% for like 30% price inc

I just want the NVIDIA to have cuda options + I hate and

For gaming tho 9070xt just way more worth fr

[rugged silo]

yeah

[lilac canyon]

I’ll prolly just swing the 5070ti and save budget for ram or smth

Cpu

[rugged silo]

udk if u wanna do any nvidia stuff either

[lilac canyon]

Wdym

[rugged silo]

like u dont actually know if u wanna do ai/ml stuff rn

u can run ai/ml on 9070xt too to start

but yeah anyways its ur choice

5080 is fine too if u feel like its nice and would help

i spent on a 3080 which mogged in value. i lost so much on that card

[lilac canyon]

I might just want that for gaming as well ngl

[rugged silo]

bought it for 1000$

it was 350$ soon after

[lilac canyon]

Yikes

Great at used price but full price booo

[rugged silo]

but learnt a lot, got a job, made a whole lot back got a free 4090 14900k 8tb of ssd 96gb ram + cash

[rugged silo]

yeah

[lilac canyon]

Huge

[rugged silo]

which makes me think

why not get 3080 used 🤔

its pretty solid for ai

ofc not as good as 5070ti but it wont really hold u back tbh..

[lilac canyon]

500 dollars in best buy credits

:p

[rugged silo]

hmm

[lilac canyon]

Could’ve bought ram storage and bought used gpu

But got MC deal

[rugged silo]

anyways its fine

[lilac canyon]

Is what it is that part is unchangable rn

[rugged silo]

i bought a 3080 when i found it was holding me back not to have one

like actually in the midst of a project for AI

i barely used it for gaming

huge benefit since our uni barely had any gpus

all of em were 20 years old and slower than my 3080 too

[lilac canyon]

I’m just trying to prevent that since I’m Alr out buying a gpu

I wonder what ours has

I think our computer labs is like 100 pcs of 3080s

But that’s for gaming

No idea what our actual department had

[rugged silo]

wtf?

u have gaming labs?

[lilac canyon]

Yeah

[rugged silo]

weird

anyways bro imma sleep

[lilac canyon]

And esports

[rugged silo]

gn

[lilac canyon]

Yes me too

Thanks for advice 🫡

[lilac canyon]

Decided on 5070 ti wasn’t worth I’ve decided 😞

Unless pricing chi anges

[amber wyvern]

If you 1440p game. I had a 7700x with the 5080 and it was bottlenecked half the time, so you may want to look at a 9800x3d

but if 4k, then no worries

[rugged silo]

hmm interesting. thanks for the insight @amber wyvern

[amber wyvern]

yep

[lilac canyon]

Soooo I’m locked with the cpu gonna upgrade later date

Gpu ima cop a 5070 ti then decide if I wanna ugpraxd

[lilac canyon]

I think I’m canceling the 5070 ti buy

😞 and sticking 9070 xt and renting gpu/building workstation when I need