ltt-discussion

[shell sentinel]

you post about your GF all the time \

[frigid tusk]

i pray this is out of state and not in usd 😭

[cinder gate]

It's still not very cool even if you are a big gay

[shell sentinel]

oh that is USD

[cinder gate]

big gay (complimentary)

[frigid tusk]

ivy?

[shell sentinel]

no difference in state vs out of state

[ruby cave]

Wut the hell

70k a year is fucking bonkers bro

[lament condor]

Private school

[frigid tusk]

god

[shell sentinel]

considered a "hidden ivy" just below an ivy in most metrics

[ruby cave]

The most I know somebody paid for for uni was 30k but that was because they were a foreign student

But 70k????

[shell sentinel]

it was more like 50-60k when I went

but yea

[ruby cave]

Fam that's a down-payment on a house and buy a new car type money

Wut da hell

[lament condor]

When I went to private uni over a decade ago it was about 50k/year before scholarships

[pulsar depot]

I paid 50k a year

[brazen moth]

glad to see not everyone there is scummy

[pulsar depot]

With financial aid may I add

After we begged for more

But nope

They assume that because my parents did well that I’m somehow Elon musk and Can afford that

[shell sentinel]

I didnt get any because my parents made too much 🙃

[pulsar depot]

Yep

[jolly raptor]

im sure there are lot of great people that work at LMG

[shell sentinel]

it isnt even like they make that much

but over 75k combined income? GET FUCKED DUDE

[pulsar depot]

The whole financial aid based off parental income thing is heinous

[ruby cave]

Being a plumber sounds sick asf rn

[uneven jetty]

I'm assuming the vast majority are not. It just takes a few bad apples in key spots to ruin everything.

[ruby cave]

Dude don't even get me started

[brazen moth]

imagine going to HR and silently got labeled as rat behind your back

[ruby cave]

I had to send several emails to the government just to say that I don't live with my parents and that I am literally not even getting anything from them education wise

[shell sentinel]

imagine thinking HR is there to help you

[ruby cave]

And they still said maybe

[shell sentinel]

that was your first mistake

[ruby cave]

HR IS NEVER YOUR FRIEND

[pulsar depot]

I mean even if you know they aren’t, calling someone a rat definitely isn’t the way to go

Especially when it’s already reached HR

[ruby cave]

it's still fucked tho that Yvonne is the head of HR when she's Co founder and Co head of the company

[pulsar depot]

I’d rather it be Yvonne than linus

[ruby cave]

That's just straight ethically wrong

[pulsar depot]

Fwiw

[ruby cave]

Lmao I don't think linus would've gotten an HR

He would've probably thought it was useless

[spice gust]

Is that Elon Musk and black panther on the right side

[pulsar depot]

But yeah, to werdnas point, HR is not there to protect employees. It’s there to protect the company

[ruby cave]

Also is coming out the James Strieb is a jordan Peterson fan?

[uneven jetty]

I thought they had an outside HR company? In that case Yvonne would be managing the busness relationship. HR is also more than complaints they also handle job criteria and recrutiing. As an owner you would want some hand in that process.

[pulsar depot]

They do.

[ruby cave]

I mean unsubstantiated but the whole comment on "are you gonna stand there or are you gonna dance" is bad

[brazen moth]

thats why im abit skeptical on her "putting her foot down" on that video they posted

[true gyro]

yes 😄

didn't expect that from black panther honestly

[grand moss]

can't see why though

[ancient crypt]

Does anyone have the reddit comment where someone transcribed the LTT meeting after Madison was fired

[jolly raptor]

imagine being a woman working at a company and someone left due to SA/SH allegations. imagine then hearing that comment in a meeting about that departure from a higher up in the company. how tf is that supposed to make u feel?

[grand moss]

first I can't link the comment to sa/sh and second it's the same as "imagine being blind and hearing a blind joke" reasoning to me. Not agree that only blind ppl can make blind jokes, only gay ppl can make gay jokes, etc

[ruby cave]

Can't see why making a sexual comment is bad when he's one of the higher up and probably knows why there was a HR meeting?

It's literally straight up fucking bad taste

[grand moss]

I can't link dancing to sexual content, sorry.

[ruby cave]

And also why? It's an HR meeting

[jolly raptor]

how is this so hard to understand?

[ruby cave]

Can't link?? He just fucking said are you gonna dance or just stand there???

[grand moss]

yes

[ruby cave]

Idk if you're being intentionally dense or trolling

[jolly raptor]

it's hella inappropiate comment given the conext of the meeting

[jolly raptor]

honestly, i dont think they are trolling. i've had a lot of arguments with ppl here about this point and they were saying the same things about this person is

[grand moss]

If I can't see as sexual someone dancing I can't agree to it being bad.
Btw how did linus do the talk?

linus's audio sounds so bad it seems he's on a laptop call

[ruby cave]

So the implication that dancing on a table means either strip dancing never got into your mind?

[grand moss]

why would it?

[ruby cave]

Because that's literally what james implied

It's not a laptop call. It's in a room

Wth

[grand moss]

is that public info?

[ruby cave]

Wat

[jolly raptor]

what other context can u interpret that as. James is saying that like he is talking to a dancer. what other dancer would he be talking about

[ruby cave]

Dancers don't dance on tables

[grand moss]

to me it sounds like linus is on laptop and the rest are watching it in the room, given how bad linus audio looks to me

[jolly raptor]

does it matter?

ok, r u trolling?

[jolly raptor]

that's also true, i forgot the exact quote, but a lot of ppl (rightfully) would see that as sexual. even if James didnt mean it like that (massive benefit of the doubt), its an extremely bad take

[ruby cave]

https://reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/s/xCgpwrE8n9

[jolly raptor]

You gonna dance on that table, or just stand on it?

[ruby cave]

That's literally the only thing you can take from that

[jolly raptor]

how tf are u supposed to interpret that aside from it being sexual? Is James just sayting,"Hey u should do the macerena on a table'????

[ruby cave]

There's no other implication

[lime socket]

any updates?

[ruby cave]

Nope

[merry fern]

what

[jolly raptor]

and im tired af of ppl saying otherwise

[ruby cave]

It's a waiting game now on what comes of the allegations

[lime socket]

all i know is that madison got SA'd and thst linus let his feelings fuck the review, also they fucked up by auctioning the monoblock

[ruby cave]

People don't just randomly bullshit a SA allegation

[grand moss]

it makes sense it's a laptop unless talks happen with the person standing on top of the table

[cerulean pebble]

SA? Anything pop up but the thread?

[lime socket]

tbf lots of shit happens today

[ruby cave]

Are you fucking for real?

[lime socket]

im not defending LMG but still

[young forum]

It was an in-person meeting, there was no laptop.

[jolly raptor]

come at me, r u going to say that James wasnt saying a sexual reference too?

[young forum]

This has been well established, the video portion is only to provide a visual so it isn't a blank screen.

[merry fern]

i literally have no clue whats going on

[grand moss]

so linus was standing up on top of a table

[lime socket]

can someone say ehst happenned in the meeting

[jolly raptor]

watch the video and read the transcript here @merry fern

[lime socket]

I dont have 1min+ attention span anymore

at least without subway servers or family guy

[jolly raptor]

also sry for coming at u like that, im kinda pissed atm

[grand moss]

not explicitly, we would have to ask him if it was implicit

[jolly raptor]

bro im done with u. im sry

[robust igloo]

[grand moss]

sorry for being logical and use the meaning of words

[lament condor]

Actually looks like the opposite

See this

[ruby cave]

Lmao

JP books are not harmful

[severe crown]

Yes

You might not agree with them sure

[ruby cave]

I stand corrected then

[lime socket]

anyone got a transcript of the meeting

horrible audio

[lament condor]

it's like the 5th post down

[ruby cave]

Should be a comment on the reddit post

It's highlighted

[grand moss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/mandatory_meeting_the_after_madisons_departure/?rdt=65041

[azure shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666849321462792234.webp?size=48&name=KEKW~1&quality=lossless

[grand moss]

somewhere in the comments

[azure shuttle]

why should James' politics matter either way

[lament condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/comment/jwhlkus/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[azure shuttle]

ah yeah fuck

[ruby cave]

Shows you what type of people are

[lament condor]

Someone's "politics" gives you an idea of their perspective

[ruby cave]

Are you gonna tell me that if I was a great guy but voted for Trump my politics don't matter?

[lament condor]

Being a great guy is more important to me

How you treat people is more important than how you vote; but how you vote does "colour in" who you are

[lime socket]

i cant see any sex joke in the transcript

[lament condor]

you gonna dance on that table or stand on it

[spice gust]

(speaker 2, James)You gonna dance on that table, or just stand on it? Is the thing people are complaining about

[lime socket]

ohh

damn james fucked up

[shell sentinel]

I personally have a hard time considering that a sex joke

[lime socket]

me too tbh

[spice gust]

I really don't think it's that bad

[lament condor]

more of a "sexual joke"

[rose hedge]

out of context that is barely a sex joke.

[spice gust]

Also consider that it's possible he had no idea what Linus was talking about

[west wasp]

It's supposed to refer to him stripping

[cerulean pebble]

It’s not that bad though. Obviously a bad time, but it was making light after a hard conversation

[rose hedge]

but if the meeting was about sexual harassment then that changes it up a little

[shell sentinel]

when it was made between two guys who are obviously very close on a personal level, and who would be surprised to watch Linus dacing on a table

I know I wouldnt be surprised to see it

[lime socket]

im imagining lie-nus strippin rn 💀

[spice gust]

Unless you know what it's about, there's know way to get this from only what Linus is saying.

[lime socket]

if it was allowed on yt he would do it imho for a gag

[rose hedge]

right

[robust igloo]

Bad idea opening the transcripts to the world lol.

Everyone who's nitpicky and easily offended will have an issue with it one way or another.

[rose hedge]

there isn't really any context to the meeting

not enough info

[robust igloo]

Even taken completely out of context.

[shell sentinel]

they didnt mean to open it

an employee leaked it

[jolly raptor]

maybe James didnt know about it, but i have a hard time believing such a high level employee wasnt aware of the situation

[lament condor]

6 months ago and all the comments are bashing the leaker

[lime socket]

im thinking immediately of the vet reacting to the women saying "we're all vets"

[robust igloo]

Fire his ass. Lol

[jolly raptor]

LMG is big, but not that big where he would be oblivious to it

[spice gust]

Depends on the amount of time it took between when Maddy left and when the meeting was called

[shell sentinel]

I mean, they dont know who it was

[spice gust]

It's possible that it was like, the same day.

[jolly raptor]

fair

[shell sentinel]

also possible the meeting is actually completely unrelated

[cerulean pebble]

Anyways, very bad situation. But that comment on its own does not mean much imo

[shell sentinel]

they make no mention of anything specific at all

[lime socket]

too little info

to draw conclusions

[young forum]

It was called the next day after she left as an emergency in-person meeting at a time when people were working from home due to COVID lockdowns.

[lime socket]

i bet this is more active than any other channel

[spice gust]

Oh yeah especially if WFH is a thing here, I can totally see James not knowing about the situation before hand.

[jolly raptor]

i still dont get how the comment wasnt a sexual comment though. it clearly refers to stripping and it has no place in an HR meeting (it was brought up in the video in that they held the meeting to deal with some sort of harrassment claims)

[lime socket]

it is time for unpaid time off for James

permanent unpaid time off*

[young forum]

It wouldn't manner honestly, that type of joke isn't appropriate at that type of meeting - period.

[cerulean pebble]

I mean, sexual or not it sounded harmless enough. Although it shouldn’t have been made in the first place, definitely lack of judgment on his part

[shell sentinel]

how do you know? for all you know linus was already standing on a table for the meeting

and loves to do stupid shit

saying it is sexual is a stretch

[jolly raptor]

so that's more plausiible than it being a sexual comment?

[cerulean pebble]

Not really, to be honest

[spice gust]

Realistically, appropriateness is a two way street, the person that makes the comment, and how others around them feel about the comment. I don't think any of us can really say to what extent their relationship would make this normal banter between them and the others around them

[lament condor]

I'd disagree if this type of behaviour was typical for many in the office

[shell sentinel]

so much this

[west wasp]

stripping isn't sexual, words by the #1 genius in buildapc discord

[shell sentinel]

he never said strip

he said dance.

[lament condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15taio1/i_knew_the_madison_allegations_reminded_me_of/

[spice gust]

Dancing is something common for people to do on tables lol, even in a non-sexual sense

[safe pulsar]

As someone who's never been to a strip club or w/e. I totally read it as just dancing on a table - like I've done before without taking my clothes off. But honestly any joke in a meeting like that is sorta uncalled for.

[spice gust]

I remember people doing that shit in high school

[lime socket]

exotic dancer vs stripper debate time

[shell sentinel]

not even exotic

just dancing

[lament condor]

Not in my life

[shell sentinel]

dancing on tables is a pretty fucking common thing

[cerulean pebble]

In meetings?

[jolly raptor]

but at a workplace in a meeting dealing with allegations of some sort (the meeting was clearly about some type of allegations)

[lime socket]

reminds me when i was like 2nd grade dancing on a table when it broke and i broke my femur

[shell sentinel]

I mean, like I said I am assuming he was standing on a table for the meeting, because that seems incredibly likely based on the context

[lime socket]

that hurt

[shell sentinel]

damnnnnn

they thought I broke my femur at one point

[lament condor]

Also James's tone is clearly implying something more than "dance"

[shell sentinel]

that shit SUCKS

[lament condor]

In anycase it was clearly innapropriate

[jolly raptor]

im honestly shocked by this comment

[lime socket]

i broke my femur 2 times

[shell sentinel]

they kept checking for blood from it shattering

[lime socket]

second time was from a 2 story fall

[lament condor]

but that doesn't mean that disciplinary action is appropriate

[lime socket]

i was a pretty wild ass kid

[spice gust]

Even if it was inappropriate, I don't think anything should be done about this particular instance

[lime socket]

i landed safely (barely though) but broke some bone near/in my kbee and my femur

knee*

[spice gust]

Actual punishments are typically done for egregious behavior or a pattern of out-of-line behavior

[jolly raptor]

aside from having sensitivity trainings or something along that lines, Im not saying that James needs to lose his job just because of those comments. but it was hella inappropiate

[lament condor]

Well in sexual harassment cases the power dynamic is relevant and James has less power than Linus and Linus didn't even respond to the comment

[tribal magnet]

Standing on tables is something people rarely do but most people who do stand on a table will dance.. its just one of them things

[spice gust]

A one off joke you said at the wrong time shouldn't land you in administrative leave or anything, but if you consistently do that then maybe it would be best to do something about that

[jolly raptor]

i'vve had comments about me in my workplace and i dont report it or try and get ppl in trouble, that doesnt make those comments right or appropiate though

[lament condor]

Well particularly if inappropriate jokes are normalised in the office

[lime socket]

i feel like an odd one out in this convo tbh

[jolly raptor]

if Linus is serious about having a "safe and inclusive" work environment, then that shit should change

[spice gust]

The existence of this comment doesn't, in my view, change how genuine Linus's statements are

[lime socket]

it's hard to find a balance betweeen happy hr and a good workplace

[jolly raptor]

i do too, i feel like im going insane

[tribal magnet]

People at work just want to be able to have some fun sometimes.. jokes are usually harmless but unfortunately not everyone agrees on what is funny.

[lime socket]

especially post 2020

[spice gust]

I mean, for all we know, Linus did talk to James about the joke afterwards

[jolly raptor]

at the expense of who?

[spice gust]

Like there's only so many conclusions we can draw from this video

It's also possible that Linus didn't hear it at all

[jolly raptor]

fair, im more pissed at how Linus handled the allegations and the fact that he now hired a third party investigator. the comments are tip of the iceberg. but that comment imho is foul but that specifically isnt on Linus

[young forum]

And sometimes it's not the time for 'fun' or jokes - such as an emergency HR meeting (or any HR meeting really).

[cinder gate]

As respectfully as possible, why the hell are you pissed that a third party investigator has been hired?

Would you rather they conduct an internal investigation?

[jolly raptor]

he now hired one instead of doing it when Madison first came to management

[spice gust]

"we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"

[lament condor]

This joke was at Linus's expense

[jolly raptor]

that investigation should of been done years ago

[cinder gate]

You don't hire a third party investigator when someone comes to you with a claim

They mishandled it

but that's still not the response

[shell sentinel]

years?

[cinder gate]

the third party investigator is there because the first response was so bad

[tribal magnet]

Some people get offended by ridiculous things.. I cant even say some of these jokes are at the expense of anyone.. its illogical. I see the dancing on the table joke as at the expense of noone

[young forum]

That really depends on the severity of the claim.

[jolly raptor]

for allegations as serious as was levied by Madison, i think it's an appropiate action to get outside council to investigate it immediately

[shell sentinel]

how could you possibly invetigate something that happened less than a year ago years ago

[jolly raptor]

it happened two-three years ago

[cinder gate]

It's not required as long as the company can do its job properly in the first place

[tawdry peak]

Well, let the 3rd party investigator worry about that part.

[shell sentinel]

pretty sure it did not.

it was end of 2022

[tawdry peak]

Right now these kind of speculation is pointless.

Madison left end of 2021.

Nearly 2 years ago.

[jolly raptor]

Madison left over two years ago, the video got leaked at the end of 2022

[shell sentinel]

so then that is even less reason to think the video is related to it?

we literally have no fucking idea

[tribal magnet]

it doesnt mean they know how serious it is or even that it is about sexual harrassment.. we only add that it is a meeting about sexual harrassment meeting just to make it look worse

[jolly raptor]

y r u defending Linus soooo much for

mr "Linus could be on the table when he was giving the speech"

like wtf?????

[tribal magnet]

hes not that tall in real life im sure he must have been on the table

[shell sentinel]

because the way james phrased it makes it clearly sound like Linus was on a table.

why else would you say "are you just gonna stand on that table or dance on it"

[spice gust]

Yeah I think it clearly implies he is on the table

[shell sentinel]

it would only make sense if he was standing on a table

[glad meadow]

It's the stripper pole in the LAN center, right? Right?!

[dense spruce]

Can we table the table discussion? /s

[shell sentinel]

I also think you should be offended on someone elses behalf. If Linus was not offended, why are you offended by it.

[tribal magnet]

Theres literally 2 reasons to get onto a table infront of a crowd of people.. one being to dance and the other to address the people lol

[young forum]

That was a meeting related to workplace violations that should go to HR, this includes sexual harassment or other inappropriate behaviors. Even the most charitable reading of the meeting still makes it at least tangentially linked to sexual harassment given the nature of the meeting.

[jolly raptor]

im done, because ur doing the same thing that ur accusing me of by taking info we dont know and applying it to the situation. u believe what u want to believe. imma do me. if u cant understand how some ppl would take offesne to that, then im done

[tribal magnet]

someone just hoped they would get both.. i believe it was james :D

[shell sentinel]

I mean, I am basing it on logical conclusions from what was said. there is nothing at all tying that video to the timeframe Madison was fired in, and even if it was I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way that meeting was handled by any party.

[inland dew]

Let’s all just calm down and wait

[tribal magnet]

We dont know what it was about from that video.. all we know is linus didnt elaborate on details because he wasnt there to discuss madison

[glad meadow]

The people who aren't calm have already been removed from the conversation lol.

[tribal magnet]

this was a meeting to tell people their options on how to handle situations where there is conflict it wasnt even addressing madison

[glad meadow]

There's a lot of shit coming out of the woodwork around this and it all comes shy of any real context or timeframe - apply it to what you will.

[tribal magnet]

It was definitely a response to what happened with madison though.. so they can make sure their other employees are ok

[jolly raptor]

it was addressing some type of allegations. Linus himself mentioned that he felt it wasnt fair that he couldnt defend himself and threw shade at some accuser. Logically, it's true that we dont know for sure if this related to Madison, but it was in response to some type of allegations

[tribal magnet]

I still think its bad to badge it as a "sexual harrassment meeting" it wasnt really and its unfair to go after someone for joking.. some people just want to clown around when they feel stress

[robust igloo]

time and place....

[young forum]

Alternatively, it was a cover-our-asses type meeting with some telling verbiage - e.g. complaints were being characterized as drama, the emphasis on how they need to stay as a team and there are always two sides, the statement about people should try to approach and talk to the person they're having issues with, not correcting an off-color jokes, etc.

[robust igloo]

both are wrong at work 😄

[young forum]

Serious meetings are not the time to 'clown around' or make jokes.

[robust igloo]

but like ZP said, lack of context or timeframe means 🤷‍♂️

[tribal magnet]

I cant disagree with that... they have to at least be seen to do the right thing but then this wasnt meant to be a publicly viewed meeting

[tribal magnet]

We know that they dont have serious meetings.. this is ltt they even made jokes in their apology

[glad meadow]

I mean, if you really REALLY want to find a timeframe, the PC on the table doesn't look like one of the LAN center PCs and isn't a showpiece - so it might be an editing system. Editors have 40-series cards in their PCs now, so congrats - that video is dated anywhere between June 2021 and whenever that video was released.

[lament condor]

Yeah it was inappropriate; if that was normalised by the culture, the employee can't really be held at fault

[young forum]

And many people also feel that wan inappropriate.

[young forum]

The video was added over the audio so there was a visual - it's not part of the audio recording.

[glad meadow]

Oh then it's fucked.

[lament condor]

Right but if that's normal it isn't contextually inappropriate even if objectively it is

[glad meadow]

Can't even do that now.

[lament condor]

The issue is management not the employees

[tribal magnet]

The question is did anyone in the room feel that it was inappropriate to have this kind of working relationship where you feel comfortable to make jokes even at difficult moments... im fine with it

[final cipher]

What's this about a table?

[tribal magnet]

we are people trying to judge them but this is between them and not for us to decide their working relationship

[young forum]

The best indication is the documents that were originally leaked alongside it that would put it just after Madison's firing (per the employee handbook revision).
And that corresponds to the stated timeframe of the meeting happening the day after she left the company.

[glad meadow]

Sad note: Emily's last public appearance as a video host was the 4080 review

[jolly raptor]

sadness indeed

im sry for getting emotional with ppl on here. it's just frustrating talking about certain things on here. i might be biased because of my personal experiences at my own job but it's rly difficult to hear some of the opinions about certain things. sry for my part of escalating this convo.

[inland dew]

I do hope she returns doing retro gaming tech

[uneven jetty]

I'm callous and jaded from my terrible experiences tbh. Same issues, just went the opposite direction. When you work in a toxic environment for so long you kinda become emotionally distant as a coping mechanism and develop this sense of "I dealt with worse, not sure what this person is bitching about" mentality. It's something I'm conscious of and try to work on.

[brazen moth]

after at any other different kind of meetings, id agree with you

to crack that one after seems like a SA meeting feels out of place and show their lack of unprofessionalism and how they werent taking it matter seriously, which allegedly hold some truth on Madison claim how all her reports fall on deaf ears

ppl were just misinterpreted the dance is sexually out of context

[brazen moth]

preach ~

[lime socket]

Me who didnt get the joke lmao

[timid needle]

didnt uhm 🐷 make a joke about SA

[elfin nacelle]

I'll be jar jar

[winter kiln]

lmao i remember this clip

[frigid tusk]

💀

wouldnt be surprised if he acc said that

[knotty reef]

well this lost all productive value didnt it.

[frigid tusk]

ltt discord is talking about... bread?

like bread is everywhere for some reason

[knotty reef]

thats nice.

[lament condor]

Turns out...

[frigid tusk]

better than monday ig

[lament condor]

Wasn't the whole purpose of this thread to funnel the drama away from #techdiscussion