ltt-discussion

[uneven jetty]

@azure shuttle There literally is no other way to do it though.

[azure shuttle]

Yeah that sucks

[elfin nacelle]

what

[pulsar depot]

No… it doesn’t lol

That’s literally the best way to do it

[cinder gate]

Welcome to exactly the reason why they're using a third party

[leaden bison]

Bro did not read

[cinder gate]

And you missed the other important part of the statement, which is that they're going to publish all findings

[azure shuttle]

Isn’t there an issue with money however?

[cinder gate]

Truly did not actually read

[pulsar depot]

?

[azure shuttle]

I.e. they’re funding said investigation

[cinder gate]

Who the fuck else is going to pay for it

[elfin nacelle]

Most companies would have insurance for this type of thing

[azure shuttle]

Oh ok

[pulsar depot]

It is literally in the companies best interest to figure out what happened and nip it at the bud

[elfin nacelle]

but yes, that

Even if they were/are paying for it directly

[azure shuttle]

Hm ok

Idk I assume there is some bias in those investigations purely because they are somewhat being funded by themselves

[elfin nacelle]

ugh

defranco covered the ltt stuff in his video today

[uneven jetty]

Are you suggesting reddit crowd fund the audit?

[leaden bison]

lmao

[azure shuttle]

not really

[elfin nacelle]

that money will be in Panama in a week

[azure shuttle]

but it’s just not ideal lmao

[cinder gate]

What's ideal?

[leaden bison]

Then what is

[cinder gate]

Who is the ideal person to be paying for it?

[leaden bison]

Glup shitto

[cinder gate]

Should the accuser pay for it? Absolutely not

[azure shuttle]

Court of law?

[elfin nacelle]

and order... who to pay for it

[azure shuttle]

Given workplace abuse is being alleged

[leaden bison]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-21361517

[elfin nacelle]

That's... not how it works

[azure shuttle]

How does it

[cinder gate]

Ok so the court orders LTT to conduct an investigation. Where does the money come from? @azure shuttle

[azure shuttle]

Deadass I’m braindead on this one

I guess at the end of the day ltt is gonna always have to fund it

[pulsar depot]

You need to have substantial data to go to a court

And that’s literally what this investigation is gathering - data

[azure shuttle]

Oh ok my bad

Like I said braindead

[cerulean fiber]

a

[azure shuttle]

b

[lament condor]

Just saw the comments about James being a Jordan Peterson fan 💀

[hexed wasp]

Where?

[lament condor]

Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/mandatory_meeting_the_after_madisons_departure/

This whole post is mostly people dunking on him

He was the person on the team I liked watching the most

[stoic sable]

there was an internal meeting leak?

[lament condor]

He made an inappropriate comment during an HR meeting

[stoic sable]

I was reading the verge article and it took me a while to realize they were referring to linus as "Sebastian"

[lament condor]

And people are blowing it out of proportion (surprise) but I'm pretty disappointed

[hexed wasp]

Tbf

I wouldn't judge him for having a book on his shelf

I'm no fan of Peterson, but I was considering getting a copy second hand just to have read it

[lament condor]

Idk different people are different, my wife curates her shelves for zoom meetings. I certainly move/rearranged things if I know a camera is going to be in my office

[hexed wasp]

Fair, but the inappropriate joke is more solid

[lament condor]

But yeah who knows

Yeah

[hexed wasp]

The downplay from linus and the jokes make it seem that it wasn't handled seriously or properly at all

[lament condor]

Yeah definitely painting a pattern here

The way the inappropriate joke was handled was to talk about hand sanitiser

[azure shuttle]

It feels like it points to a culture issue

[hallow elbow]

is that proven or just something people are making up

i know the comment he made was pretty fucked but like

making shit like that up makes zero sense

[lament condor]

I don't see anyone in the mob denying it

[hallow elbow]

you also dont see anybody proving it either

angry mobs will take anything bad, whether factual or fiction and just run with it

[lament condor]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case, it's not something worth making up

[hallow elbow]

the ltt situation is fucking terrible, madison did not deserve anything and LMG needs some major restructuring, but outright lying about the people involed in the situation doesnt make the situation any better lmao

[hallow elbow]

well its reddit

[lament condor]

Seems to be moreso people finding lots of things that don't sit right and stringing them together

[hallow elbow]

people make up loads of things on reddit

[lament condor]

Most of them legitimate

[hallow elbow]

well just because nobodys calling the person out on lies doesnt mean it isnt lies

if you can provide proof he is a jordan peterson fan then i'll be proven wrong

[unreal tide]

misogyny runs rampant in the tech industry, so much so that you have to be actively making an effort to curb it, otherwise you’ll just end up in the default state of having a workplace that is toxic towards women, which is pretty much what happened here. linus may not have known the extent of all the things that happened, but it’s pretty clear that his attitude is ‘having an issue with your harasser? figure it out with them’, which is no bueno

[lament condor]

No one is even saying he's said anything about Jordan Peterson, just that one of his books is in James's bookshelf

[hallow elbow]

that doesnt really say much tbh

he is a pretty big author and some of his books are decent

[ancient crypt]

I've been seeing mfs online tryna discredit Madison

tbh this is typical

[hallow elbow]

i own harry potter books, but im not particularly a fan of jk rowling

[lament condor]

I paid the Harry Potter game on my ps1

I repent

[hallow elbow]

i think the current state of the ltt server is just another example of a tech discord server going to complete and utter shit. not that the server wasnt already lol

[tawdry peak]

Posted right above you. LTT internal all hands meeting after Madison left. Basically confirmed what Madison said was true.

[pulsar depot]

@unreal tide

[tawdry peak]

As in their internal HR reporting mechanics don't work (duh).

[stoic sable]

Yikes

[lament condor]

Well confirms that she did indeed make complaints

And that people didn't know about the anonymous reporting system

[tawdry peak]

And that the complaints didnt work.

She said the same in her allegations, as well.

[lament condor]

Yeah

[tawdry peak]

She was told it would be looked at, nothing came out of it.

[lament condor]

I'd be surprised if they weren't all true but likely we'll never know

[cobalt locust]

So when's the lttstore.com ukelele coming out?

[ancient crypt]

never bought a single thing off lttstore

also i have sponsorblock which cuts out every mention of lttstore

[cobalt locust]

Spill the LTTea sis

[elfin nacelle]

Let's keep it to comments with actual evidence

there's nothing in the video that's discernable, and owning a bloody book isn't a crime, nor should it make you the target of anything

[fossil dust]

linus is fan of biden

[stoic sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1063599178632142959.webp?size=48&name=Based&quality=lossless

[elfin nacelle]

he's fucking canadian

why does it matter

[fossil dust]

hunter biden

[tawdry peak]

Additional info from the person that obtained and posted the internal meeting.

[fossil dust]

just kidding

[hardy abyss]

now what?

[lost lynx]

How's it going?

Anything new today?

[hardy abyss]

no, it's sleepy time

[lost lynx]

It is sleepy time indeed

[orchid musk]

Linux

[lament condor]

Yeah I checked the video they're claiming its in an ddon't see anything that appears to be that book.

Regardless it doesn't mean anything

[tawdry peak]

OOOOOOOOF

[lament condor]

and if anything it sounds like he doesn't like Jordan Peterson...

[hardy abyss]

where did the jordan peterson thing come from?

[lament condor]

People on reddit and LTT forums saying it

[elfin nacelle]

A literal bullshit comment on Reddit.

[hardy abyss]

just randomly?

good old misinformation

[lament condor]

They said it's in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUI1k-KHXNk

[elfin nacelle]

It's not.

[lament condor]

Yeah I went through it almost frame by frame

[elfin nacelle]

And this is why we don't perpetuate bullshit comments.

[severe crown]

JPs books are not harmful lol

You don't know enough about the guy if you think so

But I won't go into that further

[viscid sluice]

I have Mein Kampf on my book shelf. I would like to know what people believe says about me?

[lament condor]

You have bad taste in books?

[viscid sluice]

No, it means you have a poor understanding of why books are read.

[lament condor]

That you read german?

Even Mussolini called it "a boring tome that I have never been able to read"

[left gust]

Damn, I’m starting to see some drama channels who’ve never watched tech channels before circling the waters to get the first word in on this.

“I’ve never heard of this Linus guy and I don’t do tech, but this is some juicy drama guys so please like and subscribe!”

[viscid sluice]

When you read a book, it is not because you like the author, his views or his content. Whether you agree with it or not, like it or not, you read the book to understand the content or author or their viewpoints. Whether you read them because you agree with them, or disagree with them or are simply curious to know more is a completely separate thing.

[tawdry peak]

Especially with said book being an incredibly important, no matter how badly it is written or "boring", piece of history into the mind of one of the worst historical figures of all time that shaped a century of world politics and brought endless suffering.

The creations of bad people are worth looking into because it teaches us not to repeat their mistakes.

[severe crown]

Anyway, people talking about it shows the witch hunt is well underway 👍

Internet doing its thing

[left gust]

It's only a matter of time before we see dramatubers start spreading the news about this. Even if they're not tech savvy, they probably can tell LTT has a huge following so this is blood in the water for them.

[viscid sluice]

I believe Linus and LTT are completely in the wrong over most things mentioned, don't know much about the Maddison thing. And even then I am put off by some people accusing people of domestic abuse, etc with not much going for it in terms of evidence.

My disgust with LTT is majorly due to their reckless behavior towards the importance of truth, data and evidence. And yet many detractors show the same disregard revved up to unimaginable (for me) levels.

[severe crown]

You mean GNs or original findings and linus' forum post, or also their response?

On the Madison thing I don't think anyone should be making too many statements before they publish the results of the investigation in some months

[left gust]

That sounds like a symptom of Always Online people drawing the worst possible conclusions about someone who's confirmed to do some shady stuff.

[viscid sluice]

I don't care about the PR video they put out on YouTube after shit blew up. I haven't watched it, nor am I commenting on it.

[severe crown]

Lmao

[viscid sluice]

I am talking about the issues raised by GN and the response Linus posted in the forums

[severe crown]

I mean fair enough but you're missing out on a lot of very important context then

[severe crown]

Yes, they were addressed properly and extensively in that video that you refuse to watch

It's quite clear that Linus' forum post was not representative of the company's stance

As ironic as that sounds

[left gust]

Is that apology video still monetized though?

[viscid sluice]

Yea sure. It's not representative of the PR response company wanted to put out

[tawdry peak]

no longer, they turned that off

[left gust]

Ok, thank goodness someone figured out that monetizing an apology video is a dick move.

[fossil iron]

Oh no

[viscid sluice]

What was the context that properly addressed why they do not properly remove errors they CAUGHT before release.

[tawdry peak]

🐢

[left gust]

There's an article by The Verge that's reported on the investigation. We'll have to wait and see what comes out of it.

[tawdry peak]

they covered that in the video and said they will have new process to deal with it. please watch the video for full context before commenting on this.

[fossil iron]

The verge?

[viscid sluice]

What context explains why they put out a review without testing the item on the compatible GPU. They chose 500$ of employees time

[viscid sluice]

They said. Great. PR speak

[tawdry peak]

It seems like to me you made your mind and dont have intentions to engage in this conversation level headed.

Moving on.

[severe crown]

🤡 "i will comment on a matter while refusing to listen to those that I'm complaining about because i want them to be wrong"

Bad faith argument in a nutshell

[tawdry peak]

If you repeatedly refuse to read/watch important material to understand the context I will just assume you are here to concern troll.

[viscid sluice]

I am judging them by their past actions. I never commented on their apology video, I didn't say if it was good or bad.

[tawdry peak]

Their past actions they addressed in the video

[viscid sluice]

I am judging them for their blatant disregard for putting out correct information in the past.

[tawdry peak]

Which you refuse to watch and continues to argue in bad faith.

[viscid sluice]

Whether they fix them or not is something that I will judge them on based on the videos they put out in future. Not on this single video.

[winter kiln]

[viscid sluice]

That's not bad faith, that's not taking corporation's disaster control at their word.

[tawdry peak]

you literally did not watch it so you do not know "the word"

you are free to not take their PR response seriously completely justifed after watching it because I dont think many people in this thread do that, most will wait and see their actual actions

but taking this stance before even knowing what it is, is just bad faith argument.

[lament condor]

They could promise the moon at this point but that doesn't mean anything will change is vengefuls point

[tawdry peak]

Nobody said it does

[lament condor]

They've finally stopped shooting from the hip and increasitthe bleeding

So that's something

[tawdry peak]

We are practically all waiting for their actual actions

[lament condor]

But they're saying it's easy to say things will change

It's much more difficult to actually change them

[tawdry peak]

Doesnt mean you can crash in and start blasting

[viscid sluice]

Blast what?

Did I blast their response?

[lament condor]

Saying "I'll judge them on their actions not their words" is a reasonable take

In any case rather than Linus taking responsibility he had a bunch of his managers take the hit also his "apology" still tried to frame him as a victim, etc etc there's plenty to critique about it even if they addressed some of the issues.
Hiring an outside investigator is good news and the video itself is a better response than they'd been giving.

[ruby cave]

Well see if the outside investigatoreven works

TSM did the same fucking thing with their CEO and found fucking nothing lmao

[lament condor]

It's not ideal but it's better than not

[ruby cave]

Till the whole Madison allegations get resolved and they show promise and linus actually shuts the hell up and moves to make Terren the actual CEO

LMG will be for now a terrible company

[west wasp]

someone posted the same meeting people are talking about now lol, but 6 months ago...

[tawdry peak]

the same guy posted it

[lament condor]

Not dead anymore...

[ruby cave]

I mean it doesn't help that the sexual allegations just came out

LMG is literally being lit on fire.

[lone carbon]

-literally

[west wasp]

I guess it just further proves Madison isn't jumping on some hate wagon, rather using the opportunity to actually be heard

[lament condor]

It shows that they felt there was an issue with reporting issues and it showed that most people didn't know that many people didn't know there was an anonymous complaint option. James made an inappropriate joke particularly if he knew about the reasons for the call.

Other than that it seems mostly "by the book" "HR talk"

Yeah I'm guessing they'll admit there was a problem but they'll also argue that they did the best they could

[tawdry peak]

She very clearly was not making shit up.

And she wanted that to be heard, yes.

[ruby cave]

One HR is never there to help the employee

Two, at the time Yvonne was the head of HR

That's quite the conflict of interest for somebody even in HR

[tawdry peak]

the wife of the founder of the company, or, co-founder of the company herself is the head of HR

that in itself is a problem

just nobody thought of that and point it out

[ruby cave]

That's a recipe for a shitstor.

That worst part is knowing from the video and what james' role was basically a manager/underling to linus

Making a crass sexual joke right after a fucking HR talk when he probably damn well knows why there's a fucking HR meeting

Terrible and just absolutely poor taste

[tawdry peak]

Sexual joke in their apology video too.

[hardy abyss]

some really bad timing on their part.

dont think intentional

[lament condor]

It's pretty common in smaller and quickly growing companies though, and they did have a third party hr firm that employees could reach out to

But the job of HR is to first and foremost protect the company

[west wasp]

I mean it's not too sexual, but it's wrong

[tawdry peak]

Still sexual in nature which, considering the Madison allegation that literally just came out a few hour earlier, is super out of place and creepy.

[winter kiln]

how come?

because limiting production to increase employee wellbeing would decrease her "income"?

[tawdry peak]

She is the co-owner the company. Which, inherently, makes her position as head of human resources conflicting with her own interest in protecting the company, even way, way more so than the usual notion of "HR is about the interest of company".

Yvonne is also the CFO of LMG. I think you see why this doesnt add up.

[winter kiln]

yep lmao

[winter kiln]

oh shit yeah

[tribal magnet]

People still going on about that useless video like its evidence of everything being true

[tawdry peak]

You can not presume someone's work as HR vs her interest in the profit of the company based on conscience.

[young forum]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Faxyy1qbbdlib1.png

[winter kiln]

her job is to keep the money flowing while stopping to improve employee health costs money which is opposing her jobs main objective lmao

[tawdry peak]

It's a conflict of interest to say the least, and borderline unethical at worst.

[young forum]

Former staff are starting to come-out in support of Madison's version of events.

[winter kiln]

yeah she told people sorta expressed she wasnt the only one

[tribal magnet]

He only said this is what she also told him closer to the time it happened

He was being careful because he knows its still only her words

[tawdry peak]

In the reddit thread someone also alleged Maxine (former camera woman and hand model, left circa 2018?) and Chelsea (former social media manager) also made comments on their experience there at the time Madison left.

[tribal magnet]

It sounds to me like he didnt actually witness anything

[tawdry peak]

Yeah, that's my impression of it.

[young forum]

That's not alleged, they both publicly made posts moths ago indicating they faced the same issues at Madison (but didn't go into detail at the time).

[tawdry peak]

Linus probably knew there are some problems in his workforce, but he might not know the extent of the abuse Madison faced.

[tribal magnet]

Yeah there most likely is someone who was a complete jackass towards her

[viscid sluice]

How many people were there at LMG in 2018 though?

[tawdry peak]

they already had like 50+ back then

If the allegation from Madison that someone in upper management being part of that problem is true, the person might was there in 2018.

[tribal magnet]

Once she was positioned as a bit of an outcast its easy for a bully to then treat them like this. Its hard to prevent happening because some people are just jerks and will hide the hostility/bullying

Also she seems to not use the word bullying but to me its what she is describing

But i am still on the fence about it all because there is no evidence and she isnt giving names

There is also a potential gain for her by completely lying about it.. The sympathy gained as someone who also is a youtuber/influencer can quickly grow your numbers and she dont have to prove anything to get that

but still it could all be true what she says so still on the fence

[young forum]

Ehhh, she's been consistent at this point (you can find her original Glassdoor review that has the similar allegations in less detail).
Plus others have commented that they were either ware of similar stories or she told them at the time and she's also gotten legal advice to clear-up if she was under an NDAor not and that's generally not something you do if you're lying.

At this point, even if some of the details aren't one-for-one, I find it much more probable that something happened than not.

You also have an emergency meeting in the middle of COVID when everyone was working from home about her leaving and, while not proof, that's telling and indicates that something happened that would have incentivized that.

[tawdry peak]

The meeting is the very next day she quit, btw.

So it's not a coincidence.

[tribal magnet]

yes all we know is she is being consistent and thats all we get

Theres nothing wrong with the video

coincidence about what?

If linus is standing on a table I want to see him dance

[tawdry peak]

And the journo on r/ltt obtained and posted the recording two days later?

It means someone inside knew and was not happy.

[tawdry peak]

I mean the meeting was not random, management knew her departure would not be peaceful within.

[tribal magnet]

it means someone was recording their sweet new RGB setup when linus suddenly came in and announced a meeting

[tawdry peak]

Oh I dont think the recording was the case. The RGB PC in it is probably the journo themselve's and the recording was played on their PC in the background.

[tribal magnet]

but it probably was?

[tawdry peak]

We dont know. My speculation.

It means the leaker immediately realized what the meeting might be and recorded it in full and leaked it to the journo.

[tribal magnet]

come on if your going to speculate like that then you will get whatever take you want on anything

how can you record the first words of linus announcing a meeting unexpectedly

They was already recording because they like their sweet RGB setup lol

[tawdry peak]

🤷‍♂️ I think "someone knows what the meeting might be and started a recording when the meeting starts" is more likely than "someone was recording their sweet RGB setup and then suddenly Linus announced a meeting".

[tribal magnet]

Then we will have to disagree because it seems to me recording pc stuff is a big part of ltt so it seems a natural thing to do

[young forum]

The video isn't related, it was an in-person meeting and the posted put the PC in the video so it wasn't just a black screen.

[tawdry peak]

[tribal magnet]

so your saying the rgb video was added?

[tawdry peak]

The video is the journo's own PC with the audio layered in is the most likely scenario.

[young forum]

So someone decided to record while in the office because they thought there needed to be a record of it (despite this being very much against company policy per the handbook that also got leaked).

[young forum]

Yes, the original recording is just audio from a live meeting.

[tribal magnet]

you know in that case its even harder to prove it was deliberately to catch linus out or something

you think the intent was to catch linus saying something bad?

as proof that the video while it shows nothing shows this is an employee who thinks things are going to go down... this all seems absurd to me

[tawdry peak]

Or it could be that the employee immediately realized what the meeting might be and recorded it.

You are overanalyzing this.

[tribal magnet]

no i am trying to get to what your thinking and putting it in words

to get to this conclusion is over analyzing

[young forum]

The verbiage used and casual nature could be indicative of cultural issues (e.g. the complaints being characterized as drama, the emphasis on how they need to stay as a team and there are always two sides, how people should try to approach and talk to the person they're having issues with, the off-color joke not being commented on ro corrected, etc).

[tawdry peak]

Madison left abruptedly after being bullied in the office which quite a few employees were aware of.
Linus called an all hands meeting the next day she left.
An employee recorded the audio.
Said employee send the recording to the people that posted on r/LTT.

[tribal magnet]

how many mics do you think they have in a room like this considering they seem to often be playing games anyway.. its why they have mirrors so they dont get caught... so they are recording their gaming session and leave a mic live can still happen naturally even if it isnt just recording their sweet rgb setup :D

[tawdry peak]

Again the meeting was in person. LTT was not WFH at the end of 2021.

[young forum]

...

The PC wasn't part of the recording - the gaming set-up has nothing to do with the meeting.
It was an emergancy, in-person meeting in the middle of COVID when people were called back intot he office despite lockdown.

[tribal magnet]

I hate how much you have to speculate to create any sort of meaning to this video

[tawdry peak]

The meeting was in person at the LMG office. "Someone recorded their sweet RGB PC when the meeting happened" was literally not possible.

[tribal magnet]

I dont know how or why the recording was made.. I am just saying how easy it is to record something accidentally instead of recording something deliberately as proof they knew something was wrong

[tawdry peak]

Your are clinging to the straw that "the recording was accidental" when it's highly possible it was not.

[tribal magnet]

as long as you have to use the words "highly possible its not" you cant say im clinging onto straws

[tawdry peak]

LOL whatever then.

[tribal magnet]

Im being realistic there is no proof here

I still think something most likely did happen i just really dont like this as evidence

because we are all just dogpiling onto linus right now trying to find some extremely vague proof he is responsible for something bad

[young forum]

It is not easy to accidently record an in-person meeting.

[tribal magnet]

its not easy isnt even the right word for it as recording something accidentally is done without even trying its just as it happens

[tawdry peak]

You are just pre-determining it was accidental and trying to find ways to justify it.

[tribal magnet]

anyway this is just one room where he would have this meeting and he probably did this multiple times with other rooms of employees so they could have warning... just to help your points

Im just going to be completely against using this video as proof of anything

[young forum]

It's not proof in and of itself, but it is a datapoint that indicates that something happened and some of the proceedings are less than ideal given the larger context.

[tawdry peak]

It provided context of events around the time she left. The nature of it being accidental or not, is irrelevant.

[tribal magnet]

one things for sure.. to have the meeting was the right thing to do

he even made aware that there is help available if you do have conflict with other employees

its hard to say how much this is worth because it also depends on trusting the people you would go to

[ember depot]

So I saw this: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t9v9n/how_you_speak_to_customer_service_agents_says_a/

and i'm actually fully on Linus' side on this one

there's a lot of shit at LTT but this one ain't it

[tribal magnet]

this is just what any normal person would experience and hes sort of exposing that

but the customer support would have no power over it

looking at the responses to that on reddit just feels like its more to add to a witch hunt

[stoic sable]

Damnnn. Who's this guy called again? I definitely recognize that face

Surprised he just nonchalantly confirms it

[tawdry peak]

Colin.

Former writer and producer, iirc.

[young forum]

He's also being an huge asshole - the customer service agent can't violate policy and provide firmware directly.
As the agent said, he needs to go through the authorized service provider - it doesn't matter who makes the switch or firmware.

And that's really not a good look.

@ember depotsee above, he's demanding something that she literally cannot give him without risking her job and possibly other jobs/contracts.

You mgiht be able to get an exception from a higher-level official but it needs to be signed-off on and takes time and that's not a given.

But when you buy into an infrastructure patching and firmware availability is something you should research beforehand.

Because that's not a given, even if you're a bigshot YouTuber.

[stoic sable]

Oh former?

I did not know he quit

[tawdry peak]

probably not too long ago

His Intel extreme upgrade was Feb 2022

[stoic sable]

But on the other hand it's not like Linus has a direct line to the CEO of jasco, what's one to do if not try to get it escalated through customer support? (Although he's clearly doing it here to prove the point to the audience)

[tawdry peak]

So he quit sometime last year or this year

[stoic sable]

And clearly Jasco agreed that their previous practice was not acceptable

[young forum]

Last April.

[stoic sable]

Oh so almost right after the tech upgrade, nice.

Got it and skadoodled

[tribal magnet]

Yeah, he was pointing out that the customer service was recommending he contact the people who made the device which needs the firmware but it is clear that they wont have the firmware so he would just have to come back to them

I know hes giving her a roasting but im fine with it

[young forum]

I'm not, level one techs don't have the power to override policy - if there's an issue escalate instead of taking it out on them.

[stoic sable]

Honestly man, the roasting isn't personal and isn't even that bad, he isn't screaming or doing anything really out of line. Definitely can see how anyone can respond like that when as frustrated as he was.

[tawdry peak]

Wouldnt read too much into that. Happens to all of us.

[stoic sable]

How does one get it escalated without escalating the situation with the level 1 tech support first though?

Surely the higherups wont like it if CS escalated shit whenever someone just asks

[tribal magnet]

he needs to fix something and hes not getting the help.. Theres nothing wrong with speaking harshly and being very blunt about this situation instead of just going away and accepting theres nothing you can do

People are way to protective about hurt feelings

[stoic sable]

I'd be happy to hear your perspective though, Wormwood

It's just to me, that conversation was mild and I doubt the CS even remembers about it after work that day

But it's not like I've been in that situation before, so who am I to talk

[orchid musk]

Linus

[young forum]

You're dealing with a low-level tech who cannot change or violate policy and is effectively forced to endure any abuse that is thrown at them because it's a service role. Being an asshole doesn't do anything but make their day worse and won't actually help you solve your problem - the best way to do that is to be polite, calm, and understanding. In this case, Linus should have confirmed that she couldn't provide the firmware and then asked if there was a higher-up he could talk to who might be able to override or give permission for a one-off exception (I've done this plenty of times when dealing with companies and it works almost every time, because most service agents do want to help you but also have to follow company policy).

[tribal magnet]

Their company policy was to deliberately create a loop where nothing can get resolved through customer services

[young forum]

It's not about hurt feelings, it's being a decent human being towards someone who is, effectively, held hostage until you hang-up given that there are usually rules against ending calls prematurely even if someone is being abusive. If you're needlessly being aggressive or otherwise being an asshat you're badgering someone who doesn't have the power to accomplish what you want just to vent your own frustration and that's not great.

It's not ok use people as punching bags just because you're annoyed.

[young forum]

Then you work to change that through productive means, such as asking to talk to a higher-level support contact who might have more power.

[tribal magnet]

This is too much to call it a hostage situation.. i think your going too far

[orchid musk]

What did old Linus S. do this time

[young forum]

They can't hang-up and are forced to stay on the phone even if you're being abusive - how isn't that a hostage situation?

[stoic sable]

Responding kind of rudely to jasco customer support

[orchid musk]

Who's Jasco?

[stoic sable]

I still think people are just finding any reason to add to the witch hunt

[young forum]

Some random company, we've kinda drifted away from the video since, evidently, it's too much to expect people to be polite even if they're annoyed at something.

[tawdry peak]

Jasco is a manufactuerer of network gear used in his new house renovation videos

[stoic sable]

Smart switch company, doesn't provide firmware cuz "proprietary", Linus makes video, Jasco actually responds perfectly, Jasco now better, everyone happy

[tawdry peak]

also this is true

[true gyro]

he's done nothing wrong here.. not sure why this video was uploaded, he wanted something, was denied it, didn't insult the CS worker or anything
the "stupidity" is referring to the company's decision to keep the firmware private and proprietary.. not the worker.

sure i'd have been nicer on call but people are just digging up dirt at this point

[tawdry peak]

But yeah, Linus did nothing wrong here.

[stoic sable]

I honestly doubt that Jasco would've done jack shit if he was polite and courteous during the whole incident

[tribal magnet]

She also outlined that his next course of action should be to contact the other company who couldnt possibly give him the firmware at all... This is all a problem with Jasco and she has been trained to deal with the situation this way. Its not the customers job to determine how much power the customer service agent has but she could easily disclose that she doesnt have this power. This is not for the customer to do.

[true gyro]

hanging up the phone when you realise nothing's going anywhere is normal behaviour

[severe crown]

Kind of a bad point since as they state it depends on company policy

[young forum]

Technically they're the OEM for imprint brands and that's where the issue is (the service tech was telling him to go through the equipment provider/brand).

[tawdry peak]

The context was that Linus literally asked Jasco for the firmware and did not get it.

[orchid musk]

Hm

[ember depot]

no, the CS is being intentionally obtuse by not escalating to a higher level who can assist in solving his issue

[tawdry peak]

It's several different things compounded together.

[ember depot]

I've literally had lower level reps try to stonewall me on t hings even like RMAs

like amazon

and said reps would say "my supervisor would say the same thing we do not take returns after 1 month"

for like, mobo damage

and I would continuously insist on an escalation and they would stonewall

[stoic sable]

He was being a bit of an asshat when he said it was not "Unfortunate", but that's about it for that whole conversation

[young forum]

If you're being asked to do something against company policy you're not going to escalate that, the customer has to be their own advocate if they want exceptions.

[ember depot]

What?? If you're being asked to violate company policy that's precisely the situation you need to escalate

[young forum]

Great, then you calmly ask to speak to a manger and keep going up the chain while recording your interactions.

[ember depot]

the issue is that lower level CS with me was being obtuse in saying "company policy says XXX and my supervisor would agree"

[stoic sable]

That's very idealistic

[ember depot]

within 3 minutes my RMA was approved

[tribal magnet]

It seems to me that the customer is being held hostage in this context because they are offering no possible avenue to resolution... sure Linus is a unique case and has other options to resolve something like this but a normal person doesnt and will have to butt heads with this customer service and probably never get any results

[ember depot]

post escalation

the issue here is that CS is poor

[stoic sable]

With stonewall CS you can deter a lot of those polite and courteous people, unfortunately. And that's what a lot of companies want

[ember depot]

that situation above is exactly the situation CS needs to say "I'll get my supervisor who can assist and explain it to you"

[tribal magnet]

I actually think the lady was good at her job because she did exactly what her company wanted

[true gyro]

i don't get what people are critiquing about this clip
like sure he wasn't exactly queen's english polite toward the end but like.. neither party did anything wrong

sure CS person could have escalated, linus could have asked for manager, but they both saw it wasn't going anywhere, linus hung up. y'all fussing over like.. an ordinary customer support phone call

[ember depot]

I think the lady was shit at her job because she did not bring it up to someone who would have power to make the necessary clarifications to solve the issue

well, good at her job from the company viewpoint

but from a customer viewpoint

[tribal magnet]

But this is a deadend they probably created deliberately

I see customer services often as being lackeys just there to protect the bad practices of the company... but some times they are trained to do the right thing

either way she just did what she has to do

[teal flame]

New stuff come out?

Since last pin

[cinder gate]

I don't believe so

[true gyro]

an old clip of a customer support video where linus didn't really do anything wrong

so nothing of importance

[cerulean pebble]

Dunno if posted already

[tawdry peak]

Didnt see it yeah.

This is Colin btw.

[lost lynx]

Shit really went from 1 to 100 real fast innit

It's going so fast

[hallow elbow]

i like pointing out that if taran or brandon came out with similar stories about the ridiculous work expectations pretty much no one would be calling them into question the way they have with madison

[tawdry peak]

Brandon Lee leaving the company was low key huge and nobody talked about it

He was like the 3rd? employee of the company and arguable was just as important as a cofounder.

Yeah 3rd. Luke - Taran - Brandon - Ed, in this order.

[hallow elbow]

this whole situation makes me feel a lil sad. ltt was kinda my gateway into tech as a kid

i remember me and my dad would just chill watching ltt videos together

[wraith chasm]

Don't let it saddens you, is good, maybe LTT makes better content now

[hallow elbow]

i hope they'll make better content

[wraith chasm]

Hell yeah brother

[hallow elbow]

but everything is looking like LMG is gonna implode

[wraith chasm]

Nah

[hallow elbow]

it isnt looking good for them

[wraith chasm]

Overblown tbh

[spice gust]

The review stuff was probably a bit overblown, but the accusations of sexual harassment and worker mistreatment aren't if they turn out to be true

[halcyon plover]

https://fxtwitter.com/DubMFG/status/1692018343476441144

[wraith chasm]

Wowee

[ruby cave]

I wouldn't call sexual harassment allegations to be just overblown

But oki

[wraith chasm]

I

[tawdry peak]

#techdiscussion

[cobalt locust]

And Lo, Steve did exit his lab, and to LTT spoke the words "thy testing methods be flawed. Thy shit be as bad as dell"

-Nexus 13:16

[warm herald]

Sexual harassment and verbal abuse aside, is 3 tweets, 2 tiktoks, and 2 insta posts a day a lot

[winter kiln]

oh shit he did?

i didnt before but now i realize he havent been there lately

since when did he leave

[final cipher]

I bet you. It is very dependent on the person and the workflow they have set up

To somebody with experience and tools and an ability to self-manage the work? I bet you it's not that much, maybe two or three hours of work. I believe it's been suggested it was their first role, I bet you that the management never provided them with the tools and experience needed to succeed

[shell sentinel]

No

Lol

Atleast IMO

"my job was too stressful cause I was expected to do work!"

[final cipher]

My previous job I was asked to do some social media while we switched vendors, and it did take up legitimately a few hours a day, maybe one and a half

And I didn't have to produce any video content or anything

Something that would concern me is there doesn't seem to be a structure for time off if you are the only person responsible for those projects though, that's a bunch of small projects where you are the only person able to execute.

[tribal magnet]

I hate social media, 3 tweets, 2 tiktoks, and 2 insta posts sounds like a massive chore to me. I wonder where you start to come up with something to post.

[shell sentinel]

Good thing being a social media manager isn't literally your job then

[final cipher]

Well, one of the benefits is that a lot of the creative energy comes from other people, and you just have to tell those platforms about it

But you are going to have to structure your workflow where you aren't just sitting at a desk trying to come up with things

[tribal magnet]

yeah i would be awful at it

[final cipher]

If it was me, I would be a good deal tapped in with the production side, so I could maybe shoot over and take a quick picture of whatever they are testing, or film a TikTok of a couple people on set, that kind of thing. Maybe add production of the tick tock to a statement of work for a short circuit, there are options

But if this is somebody who doesn't have experience working in an office like that, I bet you. They could find that very difficult, and it is the responsibility of management to provide the tools for somebody to succeed

[tribal magnet]

Linus should hire you!

[cinder gate]

It's also the responsibility of management to not make fun of people who are struggling with their job

[shell sentinel]

Then she wasn't qualified for the job

[final cipher]

I'm not interested thank you

[tribal magnet]

i mean Terren

or should it be whoever is running hr

Colton?

[final cipher]

I'm also really not the right person to manage a social media, I'm not plugged in enough with the popular SMs

[halcyon plover]

yvonne runs HR.*

(*iirc)

[final cipher]

I'm very specific about the networks. I do engage in, to the point that even joining discord was a bit of a stretch.

[pulsar depot]

It’s a 3rd party hr

It’s not in house

[tribal magnet]

i consider tik tok to be a plague on society lol

[final cipher]

Yes, I would have ethical objections to producing content for TT

And insta

[shell sentinel]

You also wouldn't be taking a job as a social media manager then.

[final cipher]

Correct

[shell sentinel]

Again, this was her job

[tribal magnet]

i dont mind insta so much though because most people just take photos of their food or their pets lol

[final cipher]

I was responding to somebody saying I would be a good SM manager by pointing out why I wouldn't

[shell sentinel]

She also complained she had to see nudity on OF which I don't understand how she would have seen anything

[tribal magnet]

Its crazy there its pets on instagram making more money than most of us

[final cipher]

I don't think somebody that takes an SMM job has ethical objections to tiktok.

[shell sentinel]

Cause you would have had to subscribe to someone to see something

[final cipher]

Can you not message creators on the platform?

[cobalt locust]

• at least

[shell sentinel]

Not unless you sub to them?

Pretty sure

That's the whole thing...

[final cipher]

Hmm okay. I'm not sure then

I assumed that just the nature of the platform, they got hit with random DMs with NSFW content in it

[shell sentinel]

Pretty sure that's not how OF works

But I don't exactly have experience with it lol

[spice gust]

Heh, you can't handle the tasks I gave you that would be hard for a team of 5 to deal with? What a loser.

[cinder gate]

Exactly!

Oh you're asking for better tools to let you do your job better? No, you have worse tools already

[shell sentinel]

Except the description of the role sounds extremely reasonable.....

[cinder gate]

On top of shooting and editing 2 videos a week?

[spice gust]

Oh I'm not looking at any LTT things or anything

I was just memeing about upper management

[cinder gate]

As well as organising those shoots?

Making 2 videos a week could easily be a role by itself

[spice gust]

where is the job description?

[cinder gate]

in their tweets

one sec

[spice gust]

This is Maddy speaking?

[cinder gate]

yes

Her tweets

[final cipher]

This is my take on it , so take it as you will

The tasks as assigned seem pretty reasonable if you have a good structure in place to manage it. If you are just thrown in the deep end without the experience needed to set up a structure, I could certainly see struggling

Toxic work environment reduced productivity majorly, reduce collaboration, which would make the job harder

Adding responsibilities that were not originally in scope could balloon the workload out of the realm of reason

Having only one person responsible for a number of small projects means those projects don't get done if that person is off, which also creates a toxic environment related to taking time off

[spice gust]

My gf works in social media, and it takes her a full day to prepare stuff for a single post, since she also has to make graphics and stuff

Adding sponsorships into that mix seems very unreasonable

[final cipher]

And nothing excuses, sexual harassment or toxic management culture

Regardless of how hard or easy the job is

[upper phoenix]

Planning, filming, and editing a video sounds wild to me. I'd have thought you'd separate out those duties a their scale. They're different skillsets.

[orchid musk]

In my job I have to make new graphics card every day (working for GGPU).

[spice gust]

Really it should be someone else's job, and she gets handed sponsorships and told "incorporate these how you see fit"

[tawdry peak]

Her entire recollection of events is in the pin.

[spice gust]

Yes i know

[tawdry peak]

It's much, much worse than lack of QC on content.

[glad meadow]

This sounds like the responsibilities of a social media manager at a scrappy startup with only 15 people.

[spice gust]

Make a new graphics card? 😳

[glad meadow]

Not a ~100 person enterprise.

[spice gust]

back in Maddy's time I reckon it was closer to 80?

Still not an excuse

[tawdry peak]

I wear about... 6 different hats for us.

[upper phoenix]

Yeah, I thought LTT had different people to plan, film, and edit.

[glad meadow]

You bet your ass they do.

[orchid musk]

Yeah, all the GPU companies just take the GPU I made and put their brands on it.

[tawdry peak]

Also a ~100 person studio. But we are a subsidiary of a thousands workforce big corp.

[spice gust]

Damn, I'm just making rebranded technology then 😔

[upper phoenix]

Weird to me because I wouldn't expect someone to plan/write a video at that scale to also have enough editing skills for their quality.

[spice gust]

RDNA 4 is rebranded Polaris confirmed

[glad meadow]

I KNEW IT

[orchid musk]

It's funny how people shill Nvidia or amd when they're the same silicon I made 🙎‍♀️

[spice gust]

I heard you guys like GCN?

[orchid musk]

That was a fun one to make

[glad meadow]

@upper phoenix Such skillsets existed a long time ago when the channel was small, but that shouldn't be applied to a much larger operation of course

[orchid musk]

Anyway see y'all later, gotta start on RDNA6/Whitewell.

🙎‍♀️

[upper phoenix]

I mean they weren't very good at it though.

[glad meadow]

TSMC?

[cinder gate]

if it was a single person doing 2 a week, and they were particularly good at their job, it's definitely doable

[spice gust]

was Polaris on TSMC or Glofo?

[orchid musk]

Glofo

[glad meadow]

I don't recall.

[cinder gate]

Having to do all the other social media posts at the same time? Absolutely not

[upper phoenix]

I just seems like completely different skillsets to me to do both well.

[orchid musk]

Hire AI!

[spice gust]

If you're able to reuse posts for the different platforms, it might be doable... but I doubt that's what the requirement was

[novel folio]

Let an AI trained on WAN show transcriptions do the social media shitposting.

[orchid musk]

Yes

[shell sentinel]

yea have no idea how formal/long the floatplane videos were

[golden meadow]

Then it'll start making stuff about glorbo

[cobalt locust]

-was also making videos

💀

[final cipher]

I'm assuming some of the SM is also just screen capping and sending out a link to existing vids TBH

Not all original content

[haughty grotto]

i dont understand man he tested a cooler on the wrong type of card is it that big of a deal

[cinder gate]

it's an unfair representation of the product that got sent to you for free

and you knew that it was unfair but did it anyway

despite having all the tools to showcase it properly

[shell sentinel]

they also got sent the correct GOPU with the cooler

and they just didnt use the one they were literally sent to use with it

[haughty grotto]

seems deliberate then

but why

[halcyon plover]

Whitewell is Blackwell next confirmed /S

[spice gust]

They apparently "lost it", but later found it in time to reshoot the video. Linus decided to not to because it would cost about $500 dollars to reshoot.

[haughty grotto]

I see

so he would rather harm the reputation of a company than pay to reshoot a video wow

i get this now

[spice gust]

Same with the mouse unboxing video too

They left the video up that said it was a bad mouse because of the friction, when they never took off the protective stickers on the bottom of the pads

[cinder gate]

I don't think he saw it as a "rather"

[tawdry peak]

[cinder gate]

It was likely more just "didn't care"

[haughty grotto]

sry bad english

sorry if i worded it wrong

[cinder gate]

You didn't. You worded it perfectly

I'm just being particular with wording because we both said largely the same thing, but it has different implications for how conscious and active the choice was in regard to the reputation of the product

[haughty grotto]

oh okay

[halcyon plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t3uo5/floatplane_is_now_below_37000_subscribers_they/

[cobalt locust]

Not if you're the small two man startup being slammed in front of millions of people.

[cursive beacon]

VOPD is giving me Terascale/VLIW vibes

compiler is becoming much more important again

[lost lynx]

and also lost your only prototype

[spice gust]

VOPD?

[honest yacht]

I don't believe it was their only one, just their "best"

[cursive beacon]

GFX11 dual issue

[spice gust]

Ah

[cursive beacon]

for wave32

[shell sentinel]

it is also unclear how dependent on it they were though

[spice gust]

The part of the chip I work on has little to do with waves so I'm not familiar with the terminology unfortunately

I recognize wave32/64 but that's about it

[honest yacht]

If it was their only one, why would they be okay with them keeping it in the first place...

[cursive beacon]

TLDR two wave32 in one clockcycle with a bunch of caveats

[shell sentinel]

exactly

they obviosly had plans on making more once they recieved feedback

[pulsar depot]

Only prototype or not - that prototype served as a prime candidate for review and feedback.

[lament condor]

The issue really isn't LTTs mistakes, it's their lack of an appropriate response to their mistakes. As well as the whole entertainment/informational aspect to their videos

[shell sentinel]

that they were originally gonna leave at LTT.

so they can not have been THAT dependent on it for reviews and feedback from other people

[pulsar depot]

They clearly were

[honest yacht]

Not if they planned on LTT keeping it though

[shell sentinel]

only after LTT gave it a bad review.

[lost lynx]

did they plan to make a new one?

[shell sentinel]

until that, they told LTT they could keep it forever.

[lost lynx]

wild

I really am missing out on some critical info

[pulsar depot]

they needed competent feedback/review. LTT provided neither of those things

[shell sentinel]

sure. which is why they asked for it back

[honest yacht]

Not denying that

[pulsar depot]

You can be dependent on feedback without needing the product back

[lament condor]

They sent a product for a "reasonable review" they didn't get that, asked for it back

[shell sentinel]

but that is how the whole situation happened, the item got tagged by LTT as their property cause they were told they were allowed to keep it

[lament condor]

seems pretty straightforward

[honest yacht]

This is all I am correcting

I'm not denying that their testing wasn't wrong

[pulsar depot]

Plans change all the time, and companies need to be able to account for this. I can say with 100% confidence this is not the first time a plan like that has changed, they’re far too large of an operation for that not to happen.

[honest yacht]

I would argue the opposite

Because of their size shit happens

[shell sentinel]

I mean, they explained it. the person that was in charge was out of office for 2 weeks and it slipped through the cracks.

shit happens

[pulsar depot]

Shit happens, still their fault

[honest yacht]

but they told them they could keep it

[pulsar depot]

And then plans changed

[honest yacht]

yup

shit happens

[pulsar depot]

Doesn’t mean nobody is at fault.

[honest yacht]

no

[shell sentinel]

be BECAUSE they were told they could keep it, it was tagged differently in the system

that is how asset handling systems work

[honest yacht]

but if we are trying to say LTT is the only one that messed up, I don't agree

[shell sentinel]

yea, if they were that dependent on it, they would never have originally said LTT could keep it

[pulsar depot]

They were dependent on the feedback

[honest yacht]

two different things

[pulsar depot]

Yes

I’m not saying billet is flawless in the situation, but I find it silly at best to try and pin it on them to any big extent. LTT is the one who failed to provide an actual review of the product. LTT is the one who missed the communication saying they wanted it back. LTT was the one that subsequently auctioned it off. LTT was the one who forgot to CC billet regarding the comp.

Billet on the other hand simply requested that LTT send the product back when LTT failed to provide the proper review they needed, slamming their product as effectively worthless when LTT was the one who fucked up its usage

[lament condor]

I mean they agreed to send it back; then sold auctioned it off

It's not that complicated

[honest yacht]

No I'm not trying to pin it on Billet. Just providing a possible explanation of how it came to this situation

[lament condor]

Right and mistakes happen, but it's a matter of appropriately responding to them and taking responsibility

[honest yacht]

but it actually is because the initial communication was LTT would keep it...

[lament condor]

NO\

LTT said they'd return it...

[honest yacht]

The world is not as black and white as the internet likes to make it

@lament condor did you even read what I said

[lament condor]

The initialy communication isn't relevent after you change the agreement.

[honest yacht]

Actually it is

[shell sentinel]

after being told originally they could keep it

[lament condor]

That's just not how anything works

[honest yacht]

Also, as far as I am aware there was never any "agreements" or contracts in place

[shell sentinel]

again, Billet only asked for it back after they got a bad review

[lament condor]

Right but LTT agreed to send it back

[shell sentinel]

yes, I agree

the shouldnt have auctioned it and that was a mistake

but saying Billet "depended on getting the prototype back" is also misleading

[lament condor]

Because you know their internal situation?

[shell sentinel]

because they would not have told LTT they could keep it in the first place if they did

[lament condor]

Things change...

And the agreement changed

[honest yacht]

[lament condor]

That's how contracts work

[shell sentinel]

no, that is literally NOT how contracts work

the whole point of a contract is so that things DONT change

[honest yacht]

We also don't even know if there was a contract in place

[lament condor]

An email is a contract

[honest yacht]

Well, I have something to say on that but that's besides the point

no, not it's not lol

[west wasp]

Ok, so what's the latest news?

[shell sentinel]

OK so Billet broke contract by asking for the block back then

if that is the take you wanna have, that is the only reasonable outcome.

[lament condor]

No... Because they agreed to amend it...

[safe pulsar]

they intended for LTT to keep it - whether that changed or not is beside the point here - it was obviously not critical to their production. I was under that assumption for quite a while - so thats either my failure at understanding, or something somewhere was worded vaguely.

[west wasp]

^ dumbest person in the server btw

[shell sentinel]

it was definitely vaguely worded originally

[lament condor]

If both parties agree to amend/modify a contract like what happened here then it's binding

[shell sentinel]

so then if LTT had just said "no we arent gonna send it back" that would be fine

got it

lmao

that logic is insane

[lament condor]

That's common law/US contract law though

[shell sentinel]

ok so atleast you are consistent then

LTT should have just said they were keeping the block and it would not have been an issue

[lament condor]

Party 1: I'll give you a for b
Party 2: okay
Party 1: I don't feel like you b so please do c
party 2: okay
party 2 goes on to do d

[shell sentinel]

I am not saying LTT was right in selling it

that was not my pointy

[lament condor]

They'd certainly have more standing yeah

At least there'd be an argument

[shell sentinel]

they made a mistake cause someone was out of office for 2 weeks. shit happens

[lament condor]

They could say

we did b to the degree we felt reasonable

Although obviously that's arguable

[shell sentinel]

you act like you think they intentionally sold it

[lament condor]

They didn't intentionally send it back

Which is what they agreed to

[lost lynx]

Why did they auction it again?

[lament condor]

If they had kept it they'd be breaking the agreement just as much

[lost lynx]

we don't know why it was somehow in the auction box innit

[shell sentinel]

because of a mistake

mistakes happen

[honest yacht]

They were initially told they could keep it

[lament condor]

It just would be much easier to rectify

[shell sentinel]

and it was tagged/assigned as such

so when they went to go look for items, it showed up

which was correct

[lament condor]

Intentionality is only relevant for punitive damages here

[cinder gate]

Do you have a job?

[shell sentinel]

and LTT is paying them 2k for the block.

[cinder gate]

Have you ever made a completely avoidable mistake in your life?

I would bet you have

[lament condor]

I've owned several businesses and have made plenty of mistakes

[cinder gate]

And I suppose you were the perfect business owner and never lost track of any stock or where it was supposed to go

[lament condor]

Certainly worse ones than the billet situation

[lost lynx]

oh

[shell sentinel]

not even lost track

it was tagged/assigned correctly originally

it was one guy that took time off and never changed it when Billet asked for it back.

so the block was still marked as their property internally

[cinder gate]

Which, let's be clear, is a process issue

[shell sentinel]

sure

[cinder gate]

One person taking time off shouldn't mean that everything about their job stops working

But that doesn't mean it wasn't still just a mistake

It was a fuckup and one that needed to be rectified as soon as LTT learned about it

Which they did try to do, but fucked up there too

That one wasn't even a process issue. It was just human error

[lament condor]

I don't think anyone here is saying they know that ltt intentionally auctioned something they said they'd send back

[shell sentinel]

so then it was a mistake and mistakes happen. it was not malicious as a lot of people seem to think

and honestly a pretty understandable mistake, atleast parts of it

[lament condor]

The issue wasn't the mistake it was the response to the mistake

[cinder gate]

Everything about Linus' forum post was terrible if that's what you're referring to

[honest yacht]

Which they are addressing

[cinder gate]

But once they realised that Billet never actually got the email, they did rectify it immediately

[shell sentinel]

yea this was literally a "we forgot to include them on the email"

[cinder gate]

So what looked like super sus timing of replying to them just after the video went live was actually taking an action that they all thought had already happened

Bet you this is a lot of what got Linus so worked up about Steve publishing the video before contacting him

Which like, I get

[lament condor]

Yeah that's understandable privately

But you verify before you publicly repudiate it

Or you look like a dick head

[shell sentinel]

TBF the block was only a small part of the initial video though

[lament condor]

Which is the situation he's in now

[shell sentinel]

like, that completely ignores all the other points steve brought up

[cinder gate]

I didn't say the video isn't valid

I was saying I bet that's why Linus was so pissed

[shell sentinel]

I bet Linus was not even aware of the Billet labs situation honestly

[honest yacht]

I would suspect not

[cerulean pebble]

Linus just needs to stop acting like a baby

[honest yacht]

it's not really something the CEO would should be be concerning themselves about

how tf you strike though on web app

[cinder gate]

two

not 1

squiglies

not straights

[honest yacht]

team work

[cinder gate]

we did it

[honest yacht]

first world problems

[shell sentinel]

skill issue

[honest yacht]

@shell sentinel look at my result, you don't have any proof 🙃

[west wasp]

Another employee confirms the claims?

[tawdry peak]

old.

Colin also on reddit reiterated that Madison's post is consistent with the things he heard of.

[cinder gate]

important to note, heard of

Not personally witnessed

[lament condor]

Why was Louis Rossman saying there were SA allegations?

[cinder gate]

and heard of during his employment there

[cinder gate]

Read this whole thing https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741

Madison is a past employee

[tawdry peak]

Colin and Madison were likely close. Colin helped her getting another job so she could get out.

[brazen moth]

Is that reddit post calling out Linus is the reason his son suicide and then after his wife too real post?

[tawdry peak]

That was real.

[cerulean pebble]

It’s real

[tawdry peak]

The toxic part of his fanbase drove a son and a mother to suicide.

[jolly raptor]

wait that was real??

[west wasp]

ye but at least linus tried pulling his fans back by making some forum post and a short topic on a talk show

[tawdry peak]

Yeah, it was not his fault, to be honest.

[jolly raptor]

yeah but it makes me dislike his fan base even more (even though all creators has toxic fans)

[west wasp]

I mean if people thought crapping on Dream for his fanbase was okay, same should be for Linus

[jolly raptor]

but ltt forums response to Madison's tweets are unsurprising but nonetheless extremely concerning. rip to the kid and his mom

[lament condor]

Is she saying the SA itself has anything to do with LTT? The way I read it is that they were callous/slow in relation her requests regarding it

[jolly raptor]

i havent read it fully but there a re alot of SH stuff directly regarding Madison that's just foul

[tawdry peak]

the sexual harassment was from LTT employees.

[lament condor]

Harassment is different than assault

[tawdry peak]

Also alleged by two former female LMG employees.

Being forced to manage their April Fools joke Onlyfans account and exposed to genitals despite her disagreement cuts close to that line

[jolly raptor]

not getting into this but for all intent and purposes i would say it's equally as bad

probing about her s****l history with her partner, being persuaded to go on a coffee date to solve issues with a person who had "s****l tensions" with her

shit's bad, especially for a workplace

[west wasp]

Do you think the new CEO's actions with his investigators will be more biased towards changing nothing or actually reforming the company?

[tawdry peak]

We cant possibly know.

[lament condor]

Baring breaking the law the CEOs first responsibility is to the company not the public or its employees

[elfin nacelle]

and it's of best interest to the company to resolve the problem.

[lament condor]

Yup

[jolly raptor]

idk, it sucks for me to say this, but for me to trust that there would be actual change, some ppl should prolly leave the company regardless of the outcome of the Madison investigation. there's been too many operational lapses happening and i hope the right highers up are made to answer for their role in everything.

[west wasp]

I wonder, would Linus getting fired be possible?

[jolly raptor]

he owns it, he cant be fired

[west wasp]

Terren Tech Tips does sound better though, to be fair

[lament condor]

That alliteration

[west wasp]

what if he got arrested though? would the company just shutdown?

[winter kiln]

TTT

trouble in traitor town

lol

[jade vale]

Arrested for what?

[honest yacht]

Yes, but he still owns the company

[honest yacht]

no

[elfin nacelle]

that's not how businesses work

[winter kiln]

take john mcafee for example. he was sent to prison, and the company unfortunately went on

[safe pulsar]

^^ dunno their cap table exactly, but like Yvonne and one other person could fire him as CVO, he would just retain his % ownership. Doubt that would happen anyways.

[lament condor]

If he has voting majority ownership though presumably he can fire them/rehire himself

[jolly raptor]

ughhhh ltt discord is sooooo toxic 🤢

[brazen moth]

@tawdry peak@cerulean pebble did he ever address or acknowledge it? so ridicolous all this happen cuz they wont give/resell the auctioned youtube silver button

so unreal

[tawdry peak]

He did. Directly called out people that went to harrass the kid telling them to stop doing it and addressed it on the WANShow

[brazen moth]

oh i mean AFTER the kid died

[tawdry peak]

No idea about that.

[brazen moth]

like holy crap, he himself is a father too, its gonna be heck thinking what if that could be or happen to one of his children too

[jolly raptor]

tbf, he might of not known the kid and the mom died

[brazen moth]

well maybe not previously, but eventually ya? got people hard confirmed that being real case, so wont the news at one point reach to his ears

so unreal to me

[jolly raptor]

hopefully he does acknowledge it in the future.

[stoic sable]

I don't even recall linus being upset at all about the auction thing. Disappointed at best. These people are fucking lunatics

[brazen moth]

found it

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you_destroyed_my_life/

is this him?

oh nvm just finished reading everything

he signed off himself

[elfin nacelle]

those MCN things

damn old youtube

[pure crescent]

of who's fanbase?

[tawdry peak]

LTT's

[brazen moth]

check the link above

[pure crescent]

oh I don't use reddit anymore

oh well Imma just go about my day

[winter kiln]

i was skeptical at first but it appears this actually happened??

[brazen moth]

yah, real ppl, real youtuber who died

i think as a respect , linus himself locked that thread for reminder

[jolly raptor]

i rly hope ppl in his fanbase doesnt try to harrass the dad now that this is coming (back? this is apparently the first time a lot of us is hearing about htis) into the spotlight

[shell sentinel]

Something seems off though, the father claims Linus "demanded" it when Linus says that he literally told the kid he could keep it?

Seems like the kid had some other mental health issues unfortunately and this was just the breaking point

[winter kiln]

yeah also i wonder how linus "sent his fans to harass him"

[brazen moth]

the dad pretty much fell off the map, afaik even the reddit id is deleted

[winter kiln]

ik people dont control their fanbase but they still do have a responsibility in making sure such things dont happen, so i wonder how that happened

[brazen moth]

iirc a griefing father and husband is hardly calm and thinks the worst

[jolly raptor]

im not going to try and insinuate that this isnt true especially if Linus commented on it. tbf i had no idea about the legitimaticy of the story and the father seemed like he was grieving/venting on the post, so some of the specific claims might be exaggerated, but it doesnt change the main scope of the sitution. also tbf, i dont think this is necessarily on Linus, this more reflects on his poor fanbase

[brazen moth]

I guess he only address to his fan during the guy still alive, he never address or calls out his fan after they died, its pretty much went silent

[winter kiln]

seems like they had an auction and people were outraged that "a crappy top 10 channel won the playbutton"

https://youtu.be/0Fx3DYIY-68?t=627

[brazen moth]

its legit , check linus 's link and h even met the guy

the son who suicide in person

he even provide the evidence to the father that he was on good term with that child

[winter kiln]

linus then explained the situation and asked for it back with his money returned and the dude was like sure cool

[pure crescent]

Kinda a hard thing to do to police 15+m people at all times of the day on all platforms

[winter kiln]

but the fans wouldnt stop harassing his channel... sad

[winter kiln]

yeah well in disclosure, i dont know how the auction was carried out tho

[jolly raptor]

im not doubting the story, i was more saying that we shouldnt try to pick apart the story and fact check every small detail when the main parts is seemingly confirmed

[winter kiln]

this is a very tragic story but imo not linuses fault

[brazen moth]

which part isnt legitimate to you tho? its all laid out there, maybe not the "linus set his fan to sick on the child" part but the rest is pretty legit

[brazen moth]

agreed

but i still think he should had addressed a followup aftermath when the suicide happened instead letting it died down

[jolly raptor]

i was responding about this @brazen moth

[brazen moth]

that could humble all his si mp on his discord

[brazen moth]

aite

[jolly raptor]

i was saying that we shouldnt try to pick apart the story when it's known that the kid died

[shell sentinel]

The small details matter though

You can't just ignore them.

[honest yacht]

Are you trying to tell us we can't ignore information so I can't craft a narrative I want to hear

[brazen moth]

i know its not Linus fault, but i think he should had do an aftermath follow up, maybe "hey u idiots, look at what you done, a kid died coz of you" to his fanbase on his wan show felt at least right

instead letting it fade off with a thread lock

[honest yacht]

This would be implying is audience is the sole and direct cause of this

[jolly raptor]

i mean the main thing is that the kid died. no one is rly blaming Linus per se, but a kid and a mom died. it'sunderstandable that a loved one posts an angry rant. doesnt change the fact that ppl died

[brazen moth]

more like awarness of consequences so it doesnt happen again

but seeing how that ex employee still got harass guess i felt that was necessary

[shell sentinel]

And I'm not debating that it happened. But the father said Linus demanded the play button which is the opposite of Linus's story

And then even went out of his way to tell people on his channel to stop

Any fanbase of 15mil is gonna have some shitty fans in it. It sucks that they behaved poorly.

[jolly raptor]

bro have a heart, if ur loved one died in that situation, and u post an emotional response, would u want a random person to criticize every word in ur post like "excuse me, but this small detail doesnt line up with what X has said"

[honest yacht]

He has a right to defend himself

[shell sentinel]

This isn't about having a heart.

[brazen moth]

Like remember during that time OTK mizkif friend crazyslick drama

the SA female streamer got harassed by both mizkif and crazy fans,

so they took immediate action on early stream and addressed it first, calling out all their platform fanbase that theyre not fan when they harass SA victim

[shell sentinel]

I literally said it sucks what happened

[jolly raptor]

no one is blaming Linus and Linus' response seemd to be better than the rest of his responses

im not dogpiling on Linus here

[shell sentinel]

And I am just saying not to take the word of an upset father like gospel

That's all

[jolly raptor]

sry but hyper analyzing on the small details especially when everyone is saying it's the fanbase that led to this and it's been confirmed that the main events happened bothers me

[honest yacht]

The small details are what is most important

[shell sentinel]

^^^^

Ignoring the small details is how you make incorrect conclusions.

[honest yacht]

And "everyone" saying it's the fanbase, whether right or wrong, is responsible have no idea. They were not there

[jolly raptor]

Yes, but court of public opinion, Linus isnt rly at fault here. mostly everyone seems to agree with that. so then y bring up the small details when it has to refer to whether Linus is culpapble in any type of way?

[honest yacht]

because the small details point out a difference in two stories

[jolly raptor]

ppl arent blaming (at least) Linus for this, so u keep on saying that small details matter especially when it pertains to Linus' personal involvement just seems like an excuse to denigrate that man's post

[honest yacht]

I'm not dismissing what happened to the man, it's a shitty situation. But you also can't draw conclusions by looking at only side of a situation

[jolly raptor]

the fact that the kid was harrassed by LTT fans and was driven to suicide by it still stands and are the major takeaways from this. no one is drawing conclusions about Linus. so pls stop denigrating this man who made an emotional post about the death of his fucking family to defend Linus when he's not even being faulted in this (at least on here).

[brazen moth]

oh wow for the pinned link
this is the top comment getting traction

apparently the apology was ai generated

[shell sentinel]

[cinder gate]

no

[shell sentinel]

just cause it sounds similar, does not mean it was "AI generated"

[brazen moth]

well no confirm its ai generated, my bad, i mean its something that what ai would generate

again apologies for my bad english

[cinder gate]

LLMs generate text similar to what humans write

[shell sentinel]

any PR statement is something an AI would generate

[cinder gate]

cause like, that's what they're trained on

[shell sentinel]

right

[cinder gate]

Their singular purpose is to generate text like what humans write

Listen, antonyms fuck me up @shell sentinel

[shell sentinel]

[tawdry peak]

PR responses are inherently well structured and use simple and logical words and phrases.

Which is like the easiest kind of text LLMs can generate.

[cinder gate]

I say what I'm typing in my head and then I translate that to text and it doesn't always work out if I'm not being super conscious of it @shell sentinel

It's a fun little thing I have to deal with

[shell sentinel]

I was mostly just teasing 😛

[brazen moth]

well lets hope that is the end of that, old drama resurface, recent drama made aware, new drama gone by,

I dont think LTT or LMG got any in them to take another one if one should pop out randomly

"Linus impregnate me and i have DNA test to prove it " - random victim come out

that had to be the nuclear one

[cerulean pebble]

“Linus offered me a horse for a handy”

[safe pulsar]

Linus did Jan 6.

[jolly raptor]

i'll reiterate my point from earlier, i hope LTT fans dont go and fucking bother that father for his post or the situation

[cinder gate]

that post is a year and a half old

with a deleted account

they'd really have to go out of their way

[jolly raptor]

i dont put it past some ppl

[cerulean pebble]

I doubt it… most people aren’t that supportive of LTT anymore

[jolly raptor]

i do feel bad for a lot of the LMG staff and in a way i do feel for Linus as this is the floodgates has opened against him and there is a lot to parse through

[ruby cave]

It doesn't help that linus seems to be a bit callous with his words

[glad meadow]

I mean, I'm supportive of lmg in the way that you really want a company to fix their fuckin shit because of how impactful they are to the industry and they're acutely aware of the fact that they're in a position to do a lot of good

[ruby cave]

I'm not wishing for their downfall but with how Linus acts everytime they are made accountable and acts like he's the victim just doesn't go well

[jolly raptor]

yeah with him it's a lot of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". a lot of this are Linus afflicted wounds (or Linus just made the situation worse).

[cinder gate]

And now he has someone above him who can say hey reign your shit in

we can only hope he listens

[ruby cave]

The hypocrisy to say they want us to hold them accountable and they wanna be transparent but everytime we try to hold them accountable he always says why are you doing this as if it wasn't their problem that they made to begin in.

[ruby cave]

We will see if Terren actually has any power especially when linus is the owner

Although I feel bad for him. First go at being a ceo and immediately has to deal with a fallout of sexual assault allegations and linus FAFO'ing about

[jolly raptor]

i also need to check my biases though because i work in tech and the grindset culture is intense, but i also see y it happens. it's hella competitive but maybe i just internalized it as "thats what it takes to get shit done and be successful"

[brazen moth]

I just hope he get his shit together over the ages and be more humble, never get the L part from TT and MG to get over his head

[ruby cave]

We will see. Historically he hasn't listened and seems to still have that ego

[brazen moth]

me younger self always thinks working with Linus is a jackpot, and getting that INTEL SPONSOR 5k UPDRADE was mega jackpot

as a third world country you can do alot with $5k

[jolly raptor]

not trying discredit Madison and her claims (especially the rly bad claims)

[brazen moth]

yeah you gotta have A LOT of courage to come out to public and say youre being touched sexually

[shell sentinel]

and in a first world one it doesnt get you far at all

[ruby cave]

Madison was the girl that had that gen z memes for Asus video right?

[tawdry peak]

yes

[jolly raptor]

especially being such a smaller creator against a behemoth that is LMG, she was rly brave to post that

[brazen moth]

well considering its x4 here , RM20k can get you alot

[ruby cave]

Idk man 5k usd is a lot

[uneven jetty]

You can be in a fast paced competitive work environment and it not be hostile.

[ruby cave]

I could pay a semester of college or buy a new vehicle

[shell sentinel]

not when you put it in terms of things like, a house

[ruby cave]

OK house wise no

[shell sentinel]

my college now costs like 70k/yr

[cinder gate]

And even crazier is that you can be in a fast paced competitive work environment and have coworkers that support you

[ruby cave]

But a college sem is still a lot

[true gyro]

lmao even aris made a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EbXuJQ4mJU
(greek PSU reviewer)

[brazen moth]

yeah im at disbelief at the toxic fan who calls her a liar, like i know the obvious outcome is shes gonna get compensate if found its being the truth, but at the same time it could also been sweep under the rug had she never comes out

and forever branded as liar

[shell sentinel]

@ruby cave

[jolly raptor]

that's y she didnt come out with this earlier. she would of been destroyed if she came out with this when she left. I feel horrible for Madison

[uneven jetty]

Yah some people struggle and are not cut out for a job but I think you should give them every opportunity to improve and make sure they have the support network they need. Just going over and saying "you suck" does not help anyone.

[brazen moth]

the sad part is investigation only comes out AFTER, so anyone with common sense knows this is the only right time for she to comes out, she stated she already made several complain and request for investigation to upper management until her departure

SO WE KNOW that something scummy is actually going on behind the door

[ruby cave]

Ahh see

[brazen moth]

imagine deleted cctv footage of her being touched or grabbed, rip

[ruby cave]

I don't do the first year hosting, meal plan or the other shit

Literally all I pay for is my classes

It's like 900cad per class and I wanna shoot myself

[brazen moth]

Nexus Tech Adivce , Nexus Media CO.

[shell sentinel]

first year you were required to live on campus

actually first 2 years

[brazen moth]

what is activity fee?

[grand moss]

I wouldn't want to do even 1 of that a year

[shell sentinel]

some fee they just add on for clubs I think?

[cinder gate]

fam

[brazen moth]

i hate this requirment so much here, at least they manage to reduce it to one or two month at least

[cinder gate]

come on

We really don't need to do the "things I don't like are gay" thing

[brazen moth]

is it mandatory? like wtf they force you to get into club and charge you for it?

[ruby cave]

What the fuck is the wellness, activity and technology fee

The fuck is that

[lament condor]

This isn't the 90s anymore

[jolly raptor]

im still in the belief that the all hands after she left was a shakedown. "Go and discuss ur concerns with the person who harrassed/assaulted u. If not, come talk to the wife of the CEO/owner that who has already been dismissive, then go to the third party HR" life wtf. the only fair choice was to have a third party investigation immediately after she brought up those concerns

[ruby cave]

Understandable, my bad.

[shell sentinel]

you have to pay the fee, you dont have to join one lol

[frigid tusk]

https://twitter.com/DubMFG/status/1692018343476441144

Dub (@DubMFG)

@Wikichipi Overall? We made technical errors all the time - most get caught. Selling the prototype has an element of Occam's razor isn't excusable either. @suuuoppp's posts today in are line with what I remember hearing back when we were colleagues, and it takes mad huevos to post that. 👀

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[shell sentinel]

I was gonna say you get a pass for being gay but clearly others disagree

[brazen moth]

weird, I get the tech fee and wellness fee

[frigid tusk]

another exltt employee btw

[ruby cave]

Shh

That's not an open secret

[lament condor]

It's the internet people don't know the context