ltt-discussion

[hexed wasp]

About the testing

[honest yacht]

They have nothing to apologies for

[hexed wasp]

Claiming that they dont retest data?

Not to mention that it doesnt matter either

[hallow elbow]

the original "statements" were just one of the (likely tired) lab dudes giving offhand examples to put a comparison into perspective

[honest yacht]

LTT issued a statement that imo admits hey didn't have the best perspective on testing the Billet block if that's what you are referring to

[pulsar depot]

they didnt claim they didnt always retest. They stated that (paraphrased for lack of memory) 'our data is new data EVERY TIME'

this isnt them saying that GN never gets new data

its them saying they get new data each time

[safe pulsar]

its not like they put out on official statement, an employee was caught on video saying something they obviously personally thought was true.

[hexed wasp]

Exactly

[hexed wasp]

An employee speaking for the company

Same ordeal as when like a Gigabyte employee or whatever says something stupid

The company apologizes

I understand that there were alot bigger things after the GN video, but they could have put a tiny statement anywhere, just apologizing on the employees behalf for what essentially started it

[safe pulsar]

oh sure, the company should apologize, not the employee. just think the "LMG claims GN/HUB don't retest data" is a bit devoid of context. Not saying you said that, but it feels like the narrative sometimes.

[knotty reef]

they did...

[hexed wasp]

Where? I must have missed it

[knotty reef]

head of labs in the video

[warm herald]

My sides

[hexed wasp]

He did explain that LTT does retest for every project

I don't see anything else really tho

He goes over how they are creating documents for their testing standards

Then how they are going over previous vids

And he says that Linus misspoke

[left gust]

If you're talking about the GN video, I think they went into exhaustive detail about how it wasn't just a one episode fluke.

And the fact that Linus more or less doubled down when presented with that video is what's troubling.

[lament condor]

I think they're talking about the murfsgaming video

[knotty reef]

it not tit for tat, it was a we fucked up lets take some time to sort our shit out...

[lament condor]

that kind of kicked everything off

[left gust]

Ah...ok.

[knotty reef]

going back on every point will just keep things going

[left gust]

We'll just have to see what that investigation brings out then.

[hexed wasp]

Ok fair

I just think that as soon as that video came out and gained attention by HUB, they should have acted quicker to apologise. Because that was around 2 weeks ago now.

Can't change the past tho so

Just my opinion on what i think they should have done

[lament condor]

Not to rehash things too much but what was this supposed to convey? https://youtu.be/FGW3TPytTjc?t=87

[knotty reef]

what are you talking about.

[lament condor]

What's the have to do with "personal relationships"

[honest yacht]

what

[elfin nacelle]

huh?

[pulsar depot]

He’s stating that a journalists job is to be objective and not let feelings or friendships get in the way of stating the truth, regardless of whether or not that truth will sever relations

[lament condor]

I understand what Steve's saying; does that image show that they have a personal relationship?

[knotty reef]

no shit?

[hallow elbow]

https://youtu.be/MLHMCAeGKOQ?t=219 3:39 kekw

[lament condor]

Because GN makes their backpack?

[knotty reef]

what are you talking about...

[lament condor]

This

[pulsar depot]

We saw the message

We have no idea what you’re on about

[honest yacht]

Still confused

What's the point you are trying to make

[lament condor]

What do those two videos have to do with anything?

[knotty reef]

your point?

[lament condor]

Why is it in the GN video?

[knotty reef]

why is what...

[lament condor]

He puts it up like it's providing context

[knotty reef]

puts what up

[lament condor]

But I don't understand the context

[inland dew]

Ah I think he’s asking about the “trust me bro” controversy

[lament condor]

What's this referencing

[knotty reef]

thats the same pic

what are you asking about..

[lament condor]

Yeah I don't understand what you don't understand

[knotty reef]

anything you are saying.

[elfin nacelle]

I think he's just referencing the content made by each channel

nothing specific about the image itself

[honest yacht]

What is what referencing?

[lament condor]

Just that GN and LTT make videos?

[hardy abyss]

Is GN cool?

[elfin nacelle]

that screenshot is pulled from the GN video

[knotty reef]

the reference duh?

[knotty reef]

what?

[lament condor]

Yeah I timestamped it

[knotty reef]

timestamped what?

[elfin nacelle]

they make different videos

that's all he's saying

[honest yacht]

I'm so confused

[lament condor]

Thank you ❤️

[hardy abyss]

Any video makers in the chat?

[knotty reef]

I think I get it but nothing makes sense.

[elfin nacelle]

Just referencing this ss steve used, just showing they make different types of content

It has no specific importance

[knotty reef]

about a year ago was the backpack trust me bro scandle... gn said publicly that they would treat lmg as a producer of goods and services not as a friendly relationship

[lament condor]

I thought it was referencing some previous drama

[knotty reef]

you could have just found the dam video

[lament condor]

but didn't know

[knotty reef]

the video title is right there...

[honest yacht]

which is perfectly reasonable

[honest yacht]

ah

[knotty reef]

it did 😄

[elfin nacelle]

I totally forgot about the backpack shit

[uneven jetty]

I still don't fully get the drama over the backpack.

[shell sentinel]

I saw someone at my office walk in with the LTT backpack

[knotty reef]

today..... oof

[shell sentinel]

no this was like last week

lol

[shell sentinel]

the drama is cause it is SO fucking expensive

[knotty reef]

and the warranty was......

[uneven jetty]

then don't buy it? Not sure why there is drama lol.

[knotty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/trust-gif-20239914

[inland dew]

Eh I don’t think it’s that expensive

[shell sentinel]

$250 for a backpack is pretty damn expensive

[sturdy granite]

Not for a while now.

[elfin nacelle]

nah, it was a warranty thing

[shell sentinel]

plus tax and import and shipping if you are in the US

[shell sentinel]

what was it about the warranty?

[inland dew]

Have you seen the price for those designer purse my god I can buy 5 ltt backpacks and still have enough for a mid-high end pc

[knotty reef]

try that in the uk.

[knotty reef]

Trust me bro

[elfin nacelle]

It was the start of the "trust me" meme

[shell sentinel]

yea it is even worse

[elfin nacelle]

there was no warranty

[honest yacht]

There was no "official" warranty

[shell sentinel]

ah

[glad meadow]

No "warranty period" or "what's covered under the warranty" at all, just a "if you have a problem we'll make it right"

[honest yacht]

More of a "reach out to support if you have issues"

So another example of no contracts or agreements in place..

[shell sentinel]

I mean TBF half the time hardware vendors barely honor their stated warranties anyways

[young forum]

The issue is that it's very expensive, arguably too expensive for what it is, and originally came with no warranty and Linus said that people should just trust that he'd replace something if there was an issue on a case-by-case basis. Subsequently they added an underwhelming warranty that is much worse than other offerings in the same price range and blamed this on people forcing them to put something in writing (implying that the original 'trust me bro' option would have gotten better service).

[knotty reef]

I need a laptop bag....

[uneven jetty]

Still not sure why there was "drama" over it. Plenty of over priced crap out there with lackluster warranties.

[pulsar depot]

I guess you could say the term drama is subjective

People were upset with it

[cerulean pebble]

You can say the same about everything...

Not sure why there is drama over LTT not giving correct info, plenty of wrong info online

[sturdy granite]

If you tolerate this, then you children will be next.

[uneven jetty]

Yah if people were just memeing on it like the Apple Pro wheels then thats fair game but I see little point in outrage. They produce a product and if you don't like it then you don't buy it imo.

[halcyon plover]

Update 2: We've heard the feedback from our community and from our team internally and monetization has been turned off for this video.
from the pinned comment on the latest video

[shell sentinel]

the issue stems from people thinking of linux as their friend

[honest yacht]

skill issue

[pulsar depot]

Don’t correct that

[shell sentinel]

hahahaa

[upper phoenix]

linux is my enemy

[halcyon plover]

LOL

[uneven jetty]

Only Arch linux is your friend.

[shell sentinel]

I mean you arent wrong

[halcyon plover]

<inset minor spelling mistake meme>

[sturdy granite]

"oh right; trying to profit off this looks bad.... Jeez is anyone taking notes here?? This shits complex yo..."

[upper phoenix]

linux fosters an abusive environment

[elfin nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/guaton-computadora-enojado-computer-rage-gif-14480338

Linux Users:

[uneven jetty]

@sturdy granite Just to play devils advocate, is monetization not turned on by default? I have never uploaded to YouTube so I have no idea how any of that stuff works.

[shell sentinel]

I also still dont quite understand why people care

it does not have any negative impact on them

[sturdy granite]

No, you have to select it every time. Or at least make the choice every time.

[shell sentinel]

literally turning it off just helps Youtube

[honest yacht]

People think they shouldn't be monetizing an apology video

[shell sentinel]

then dont watch it

[pulsar depot]

If they actually cut production for a week I’ll give it a slide.

[honest yacht]

At least that is the sentiment I've picked up from here today

[pulsar depot]

I don’t really care either way cause premium but yeah

[shell sentinel]

I just disagree, I dont see any harm to it being monitized

[honest yacht]

I don't either

[uneven jetty]

I wonder if they have an automated pipeline for videos that does it by default. I can see them having something to ensure it's on as that would be an expensive button to miss for a normal video.

[sturdy granite]

Its about reading the room. You shouldn't seek to get paid for a video where you're trying to accept responsibility for practices that are driven by chasing that dollar bill. It sets the entire tone as insincere.

[uneven jetty]

Then again it's LTT.

[shell sentinel]

sure, and if they had legit had sponsors (like they joked about) it would be a different discussion

[sturdy granite]

Yeah, see problem 1: they should be putting the thought in and thinking "it looks bad if we try and profit off of THIS specific video. We won't sponsor embed or monetise it".

Instead it's probably on the schedule wall with a deadline and expected revenue as one of their 25 pieces of content a week.

[uneven jetty]

As someone who has been a part of large damage control with people flipping out and running around I can see it slipping through.

idk, of all the things they are getting blasted for this one just seems petty.

[pulsar depot]

Chances dbrand paid for them to make that joke twice?

[leaden bison]

Lol probably

[ember depot]

that and.... making mistakes like listing the price of the block and having to edit it out later

[uneven jetty]

I thought the price of the block was known?

[shell sentinel]

he was never told not to say it

[pulsar depot]

Not till ltt leaked it

It was redacted by all other parties covering the topic

Mainly GN

[uneven jetty]

They ask for material or retail costs?

[shell sentinel]

more than either

lol

[sturdy granite]

Its all just part of the pattern. Rushing,lack of attention to detail, not reading the room, not taking it seriously, letting Linus run his mouth again ..

[shell sentinel]

they asked for $2k @uneven jetty

[sturdy granite]

Oi £2k.

[uneven jetty]

Probably fair as I assume they were including the cost of the 3090Ti in there.

[shell sentinel]

no

[frigid tusk]

LMAO pr said it 💀💀

[uneven jetty]

and prototypes are more expensive than mass production units usually.

[shell sentinel]

@uneven jetty retail of this block is $900

lol

[sturdy granite]

Those are the Queens Kings precious pounds you're devaluing there.

[uneven jetty]

Right biut I assume they are not selling that for cost.

[pulsar depot]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-im-gif-19003096

[severe crown]

The 2K figure I'm fairly certain was just a value valuation and not an actual demanded amount

[shell sentinel]

[severe crown]

Pretty sure billet stated that to gn

As well as it being obvious from the email

[shell sentinel]

they said they hasily made it up when they were told it was sold yes

[severe crown]

Yeah that

[shell sentinel]

they have a 4090 one now also

[uneven jetty]

No I get that it's ~$900. I'm saying it does not cost them ~$900 to make. Or at least I hope not. Probably in volume they can get it down to ~$600-700 depending on quantity and current material prices.

[pulsar depot]

Time to send it to LTT for review

[shell sentinel]

oh yea sure, but this was a pre-production prototype

their claim was that it was their "best prototype"

[severe crown]

*gift

For auction

[uneven jetty]

yah that I can see costing a lot more as you get charged out the ass for one offs.

[shell sentinel]

yep exactly, although there is a lot of misunderstanding about LTT keeping it originally also IMO, because they origianlly EXPECTED LTT to keep it, so obviously they would have had to make another prototype of they wanted to keep testing

[uneven jetty]

Well I think they were also exspecting a fair an objective review even if it was negative that they could use for further development. Instead they got a lot of negative press for no valid reason. Hard to swallow a net loss and then potentially spend another $2k to send it to someone who would give it a fair shot.

So I don't blame them for going, "hey, can we have our shit back?"

[shell sentinel]

I mean not denying any of that, and LTT obviously should have given it back (and tested correctly considering they literally gave them a 3090ti to test with), but people were acting like their development itself had been delayed cause of this, which doesnt add up

[frigid tusk]

@lin-

[pulsar depot]

To be fair - the development cycle can include feedback through proper testing.

[frigid tusk]

tests it with a 3090

[uneven jetty]

oh yah, I don't think it was delayed. Or if it was not by that much. Not sure what the turn around time is on their prototypes. I assume they don't have their own industrial CnC machines.

[pulsar depot]

So fucking up the testing in of itself is a delay of development with that in mind

But I don’t think it’s dramatic as people make it out to be

[shell sentinel]

sure, but not by not sending the block back

[frigid tusk]

apparently billet sent them a 3090ti

[shell sentinel]

Our products are designed and engineered in-house, CNC machined in the UK, hand-finished, hand-assembled, then dispatched from our workshop in London.

[frigid tusk]

but ltt still used a 4090 💀

[uneven jetty]

I can't tell if they are saying they have the CNC machine or not.

[shell sentinel]

sounds like no

[honest yacht]

It doesn't sound like it

[shell sentinel]

otherwise they would say in-house

[honest yacht]

they could say designed, engineered and machined in house

now who's to say the CNC is not right next door lol

[lime socket]

https://youtu.be/0cTpTMl8kFY

why dies this exist

does

[elfin nacelle]

read the pins

[lime socket]

what did they fuck up

[bronze wadi]

jesus gonna save us from our spins

[lime socket]

controversies are complicated

[uneven jetty]

lol, the memes are leaking into other forums/subreddits.

[lime socket]

i wanna be spoonfed the imfo in a 60 second vertical short form video

[bronze wadi]

tbf im not suprised what happened to her

thats a super high stress enviroment

you gotta be extremely active to survive

[winter kiln]

lmaooo

[pulsar depot]

That’s literally why the videos exist

[winter kiln]

gets auctioned to the us

[pulsar depot]

To spoon feed you the info

[lime socket]

ima watch them

it*

the ltt one

also how the fuck did we get from gpu cooling block to S* har***ment

[pulsar depot]

Pins.

[jolly raptor]

this has turned into a giant mess. but ig if u play stupid games, u win stupid prizes. i rly hope a lot of changes happen at LMG, because there are deeper problems than operational stuff

[glad meadow]

using pins to anchor important information

fuck it, obscure memes go there too

[lime socket]

Terren is really hard to undersrand

Understand

[young forum]

Well, it looks like things might be starting to leak:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/mandatory_meeting_the_after_madisons_departure/

The rise of AI voice cloning means this could be a fake but... It doesn't seem great.

[little birch]

holy

[hexed vault]

It's the best part

have you seen the absolute bangers?

[jolly raptor]

if real, what in the actual fuck

[glad meadow]

No way in hell that meeting was recorded and only shows up now.

[pulsar depot]

to be fair her post wasnt until like 2am this morning.

at least, the ones with the major callouts. Now its action time.

im not saying im 100% certain its real, but its absolutely in the realm of possibility.

[glad meadow]

I'll listen to it when I'm done being an adult for the day, but that's my take

[young forum]

It was originally posted several months ago along with the employee handbook and other internal documents but there wasn't the larger context.

[shell sentinel]

IDK nothing in that video stands out as bad IMO?

in the video specifically, seems like a very standard meeting

(after something has happened)

[glad meadow]

Oh, that's interesting.

Still, didn'tMadison get let go quit like a year ago?

[shell sentinel]

quit*

[glad meadow]

Yes. Sorry. Quit.

[shell sentinel]

she wanted to make that abundently clear

[pulsar depot]

it feels like a context rip to me, especially the replies.

"wow he made a sex joke in a sexual assault meeting"

[shell sentinel]

literally the only even questionable thing in it was "are you gonna dance on that table or just stand on it"

which is barely even sexual?

[young forum]

Yes, but per her posts she wasn't aware that she wasn't bound by an NDA until very recently when she talked to lawyers about the situation who advised her that she could talk openly (importantly, even if she had an NDA that would be unenforceable if there were any illegal conduct). Also that she didn't want to speak out earlier because she was afraid of the backlash and, frankly, I can't blame her.

[pulsar depot]

if this was months ago, whos to say they had any idea it was a SA meeting.

linus stated he cant talk about the reasons/situation

[glad meadow]

For sure, I know about the recent X thread and the context about that, but the video above specifically.

[young forum]

No, the leak happened months ago - the meeting was immediately after Madison left.

[pulsar depot]

thats what i mean

whos to say he knew why she left

beyond she didnt like it

im not defendingthe actions, im simply stating there could be a genuine lack of understanding to the severity of the meeting

[young forum]

You don't call a HR issue, i.e. sexual or other workplace harassment meeting, and then say you're not at liberty to disclose information for no reason.

The content itself isn't that interesting, but the fact they had to call an emergency meeting is.

Given the larger context.

Although, personally, I dislike the doubling-down on 'there are two sides for every story' etc and trying to make everyone feel like they need to be on the same team.

[pulsar depot]

he being james.

[young forum]

That type of language is often used to attempt to get people not to report issues.

[young forum]

Ehh, even if he didn't a joke like that isn't great at the best of times.

[pulsar depot]

i dont disagree, but its not the "HE MADE A SEX JOKE IN AN SA MEETING" bombshell that the reddit replies are implying.

thats all im saying.

[jolly raptor]

this meeting feels like an attempt to keep mouths shut. idk what to think. this is a serious thing, Linus should try to be less defensive and at recognize things are kinda messed up. all i got from this is "keep shit private within the org". Kinda like how he was mad at Steve for not going to Linus privately type of deal

[left gust]

It’s all a classic “clam up until it blows over” strategy from what I can tell

[shell sentinel]

and having a meeting like that after something happens is VERY standard

IDK why anyone is surprised

[left gust]

And they’re probably hoping they pass the investigation

[jolly raptor]

if this is standard practice, then it should change

[pulsar depot]

call me crazy but im with werdna. This seems like standard corporate response to a shitshow like this. You HAVE to address the company. Otherwise you may appear complicit with the issues.

[shell sentinel]

so they should tell people to gossip about it?

what about what he said was an issue?

[lime socket]

This is very goddamn complicated

[shell sentinel]

I am legit confused

[jolly raptor]

im not against the addressing the company, but the how he did was what im saying

[lime socket]

Yall on team SA happenned or SA didnt hsppen

[pulsar depot]

oh as with anything linus does its far from perfect.

[shell sentinel]

yea it is damage control, but that is literally part of his job of owning the company

[lime socket]

Or team lmg vs team community

[pulsar depot]

im not putting my stake in it because i know fuck all about the situation. im not going to say shes lying but i dont know enough to give a full opinion.

[lime socket]

W take

I feel like we should cool off

[inland dew]

Until the investigation over let’s just calm down and see what will happen

[west wasp]

How long has Terren been CEO in LMG?

[jolly raptor]

effective damage control is to assuage ppl's fears about a workplace incident and not just ignore it like it's not true.

[young forum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/115ucm3/ltt_isnt_a_great_employer_has_a_lot_of_antilabour/

This has the handbooks links (there are OCR versions floating around too).

[lime socket]

This is a huge controversy to be discussing with this small amount of info

[young forum]

Two-ish months.

[west wasp]

apparently hes hiring an outside investigator?

[lime socket]

Agreed

[shell sentinel]

it doesnt sound like they ingmore it and said it wasn't true from the video

[pulsar depot]

yep, and posting the results publically.

[west wasp]

So you think he will actually take action or will they investigate themselves and find nothing wrong?

[formal garnet]

I will be leaving this thread, it was nice to talk about it but it's kinda wearing me down right now. ✌️

[pulsar depot]

allegedly anyway.

[jolly raptor]

but they are acting like it, he's saying that they cant defend themselves and yada yada. i have a lot to say on this, but i dont want to get into an argument

[shell sentinel]

that is like, corporate speak 101 though

[jolly raptor]

imma drop this

[west wasp]

Can Linus get fired?

[jolly raptor]

u have ur opinion, i have mine 🙂

[shell sentinel]

the company CANT admit fault like that

[young forum]

That's what he's publicly stated at least.

[uneven jetty]

wtf, they literally copied Costcos code of ethics, like almost word for word lol.

[pulsar depot]

gotta love costco

[uneven jetty]

let me see if I can find an old costco handbook.

[west wasp]

Id assume many others did too lol

cuz like whos gonna read that, probably doesn't belong to costco either

[uneven jetty]

LTT does not have share holders so they dropped #5 but everything else is almost the same.

[lime socket]

Lmfao

[uneven jetty]

They flipped 2 and 3 as well.

[young forum]

You've got to love this bit of the handbook in light of Linus' investing in Framework:

No employee may own stock or have any other financial interest in a company, enterprise, or industry
which provides goods or services that are part of, or may be part of, any and all content created by Linus
Media Group.

[lime socket]

I wanted to work at LMG but i really don't want to anymore

[lime socket]

Lmfao

[lime socket]

From kiddie dream to scared of abuse

[shell sentinel]

seems pretty standard in the coorperate world again?

[uneven jetty]

That's been in the handbook for Costco since before the internet existed in any real form.

[young forum]

Yes, but Linus is blatantly violating his own policy.

[shell sentinel]

he isnt an employee

he is the owner

[young forum]

He is, he has a position within the company in addition to owning it.

He lists and considers himself an employee and gets a payroll.

[nova sparrow]

He's the CVO

He draws a salary

This is employment

[young forum]

Employees should also be acutely aware that the
investments and business interests of themselves or their spouse, partner or family may create real or
apparent conflicts of interest or appearance of favoritism. This applies to all departments.

All departments would include the CVO (and CEO at the time he made the investment).

[uneven jetty]

This part of the agreement is not uncommon but yah it's kinda sus that he does not adhere to it as well.

[young forum]

And CEO when he made the investment.

[lime socket]

I kinda teared up seeing linus and yvonne shake and almost cry

[nova sparrow]

@young forum tbh I think it's down to perhaps getting review samples and having some insider trading knowledge

[lime socket]

Thye shouldnt be getting all the blame,especially linus

I could tell that ir genuinely hurt him emotionally

[nova sparrow]

@lime socket noah katz got all the shit for the artesian builds, because he was the fucking owner

[lime socket]

Whats artesian

[nova sparrow]

Linus definitely deserves the attention he's getting right now

[lime socket]

Im not caught up on tech drama

[young forum]

It's his privately owned company that he was the head of, ultimately he's going to have to own issues that occored under his watch even if he wasn't aware of them.

[jolly raptor]

yeah but imho he is violating the second item in that list. there's a reason y this was recorded and released. feels like a corporate shakedown. if Linus' was genuine, LMG would try at least hire someone to teach training on workplace behavior and s***** h*rr*ssm*nt. they should take the accusations credibly and prove that they are a safe working environment through their actions

[lime socket]

https://youtu.be/L3wKzyIN1yk

Reminded me to post this meme

[jolly raptor]

sry, my grammar makes no sense

[uneven jetty]

Other than the off color joke that should have been adressed I don't know whats so damning about the video. I have been in tones of meetings just like that for various things.

[jolly raptor]

not the content of the video, but the context in which the meeting took place

[uneven jetty]

okay?

[lime socket]

I wish i didnt know about this not gonna lie

[shell sentinel]

even the joke is like, barely that bad

[lime socket]

Im gonna view linus as a completely different person

Ignorance IS bliss

[shell sentinel]

so they should have brushed it under the rug like it never happened?!?!

like not sure what you want here

[severe crown]

Linus very much made some big mistakes lol

Being held accountable is very necessary here

[jolly raptor]

if someone left because of instances of SA (allegedly before ppl hound me for saying we dont know yet), then a shakedown like this is egregious (imho)

[jolly raptor]

did u not read my earlier msg?

[lime socket]

Pi have come to the conclusion thst i hate internet people

And i hate shit bosses

[jolly raptor]

if Linus' was genuine, LMG would try at least hire someone to teach training on workplace behavior and s***** h*rr*ssm*nt. they should take the accusations credibly and prove that they are a safe working environment through their actions

heard no one talk about ppl's behavior in the office @shell sentinel

[lime socket]

Which is ironic given that im probably gonna be an entreprenour and by extent a boss and by extent probbably a shit one

[jolly raptor]

heard no one actuallty address what may have happened

[severe crown]

I don't think anyone that doesn't with there has a lot of right to speak on it lol

Apparantly they're getting an external investigator which is exactly what should happen

[jolly raptor]

i agree, but that happened now, insted of two years ago

[shell sentinel]

we dont know the background or how much Linus was even aware of

[jolly raptor]

im not commenting on what may have happened , im just saying it feels like a shakedown

[severe crown]

Sure but Linus stated that the story was very unfamiliar with him

[shell sentinel]

also, you have no idea what their SA training was like?

[severe crown]

So clearly someone is either lying or there were big communication gaps within the company

[jolly raptor]

fair, there is a lot we dont know, but i think it's fair to have an opinion that this meeting was shitty

[severe crown]

Meeting?

[jolly raptor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/mandatory_meeting_the_after_madisons_departure/

[uneven jetty]

yah I just listened to the whole thing again. Seems super standard HRish meeting.

[shell sentinel]

I think it is totally unfair

I agree, the meeting seems really fucking standard

[uneven jetty]

we basically have to have this same meeting once a year per company policy.

[shell sentinel]

even the joke at the end, assuming linus was standing on a table, I would be hard pressed to call that "SA"

[jolly raptor]

im not doubting it's standard, but a lot of toxic very problematic processes are standard, especially around the issue at hand

[jolly raptor]

idk if ppl are calling that "SA", just completely inappropiate

[shell sentinel]

I dont even think it is innaproprate though

[jolly raptor]

that's ur opinion

[shell sentinel]

like, knowing his personality, it would fit well

[jolly raptor]

does that make it right?

[shell sentinel]

he is a goofy guy (or atleast tried to portray himself as one)

[jolly raptor]

again, this?

w/e im done

[shell sentinel]

for it to be inappropriate, it would have had to offend Linus

if he didnt take offense to it, how could it be inappropriate?

[jolly raptor]

im not even commenting on that aside from this one

[uneven jetty]

even this employee handbook seems super standard.

[severe crown]

Oh dear

[shell sentinel]

this seems like a massive case of people who have never actually had cooperate jobs and thinking they know how things work

[severe crown]

The comments from the OP who seems somewhat credible are also quite bad

[shell sentinel]

there is literally nothing bad in that video though

nothing to "oh dear" over, other than that the person recoding it literally violated the law

(atleast where I am from)

[jolly raptor]

anti union speeches are super standard, is that still not a shakedown?

[severe crown]

Oh the oh dear was more at extra drama

Reddit comments going wild over the joke which is like, whatever

[jolly raptor]

been working at mega corp for a long time, thx

[uneven jetty]

shakedown?

[shell sentinel]

the whole meeting was whatever

[severe crown]

Depends on their laws and agreements they may have signed?

[young forum]

Canada is a one-party consent state default unless there are local laws that differ.

Most places aren't two-party.

[jolly raptor]

i feel if i go down this rabbit hole, it will get political, so imma not

[shell sentinel]

that likely does not apply to a private buisness conversation though, does it?

my state is one-part anyways

[jolly raptor]

just ignore that earlier msg then

[severe crown]

Lmaooooo it was posted 6 months ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/11dltrr/unreleased_meeting_december_9_2021/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1

Chdck fhe comments

Actually much more than 6

[young forum]

It does, it might violate company policy but those aren't offered special protections (in fact, it being a meeting would likely make it easier given that you generally don't have as much expectation of privacy in a workplace).

[severe crown]

Almost 2 years

[jolly raptor]

it's an old video, it took place when Madison left

[severe crown]

Comments did a full 180

[severe crown]

Suppose that checks out

[uneven jetty]

I mean yah almost any company is going to put certain boiler plate language in the handbooks. Does not mean it's a shakedown. Hell I probably have similar language in mine and coworkers and I talk about unions all the time in our unofficial Discord. There is literally nothing they can do about that.

[jolly raptor]

i think ppl have more context than they did before

[severe crown]

Either way the contents of the meeting don't seem problematic to me

At most the other comments of the op

[pulsar depot]

Yeah I don’t think this meeting is a bombshell by any means

[ember depot]

how isn't it

[tribal magnet]

Theres nothing wrong with the video.. if this is the best example of sexual harrassment at ltt i wont be taking it seriously

[inland dew]

Im more curious on why Linus was standing on the table

[severe crown]

Also I've never had "sa training" at any employer but maybe thats a US thing

[pulsar depot]

I’ll answer your question with a question, how is it a bombshell

[jolly raptor]

yeah me neither. it's kinda expected behavior at this point

[uneven jetty]

If he was adressing the whole company they were probably all standing in one of the larger rooms.

[ember depot]

That there's a sex joke being made at a meeting about sexual harassment isn't a concern to you?

[young forum]

Personally, I dislike the doubling-down on 'there are two sides for every story' etc and trying to make everyone feel like they need to be on the same team. Also the fact that a meeting had to be called is indicative that an event happened that would warrent such a meeting (and, while not conclusive, does lend more support to Madison).

[shell sentinel]

saying that is a sex joke is really pushing it

IMO

[tribal magnet]

Linus isnt very tall

[jolly raptor]

it just confirms to me at least that LMG is a hella toxic place to work at (at least under old leadership)

[severe crown]

I would say then drawing attention to the options after something like that happened with Madison, possibly not to the extent that they were aware of, is a good thing?

[pulsar depot]

The meeting was never explicitly mentioned as a SH/SA meeting. This was months ago. This wasn’t right after Madison made her claims publically

[uneven jetty]

It would have been called reguardless of what happened. Once office rumors start you have to say something.

[pulsar depot]

As the Reddit post leads people to believe it is

This was a “report issues you see” meeting.

[jolly raptor]

i also hate this argument that "they needed to say something at least". that's obvious. it's the how they went about it is the callous part

[young forum]

Yes, but the manner in which it is done is heavily slanted towards the company (although that's fairly standard and one of the reasons why if something happens it's often best to retain outside council and not trust internal HR - particularly when internal HR is run trough one of the owners who is also the wife of the other owner).

[severe crown]

I'm not fully on board with their mentality either but it's not explicitly said what the meeting is about in terms of if it covers SA

[jolly raptor]

fair

[uneven jetty]

I just don't understand what you mean by callous.

[severe crown]

Sure not a fan of that either though for less serious issues i would say they're right

[uneven jetty]

We are making a lot of assumptions about the context of this meeting.

[jolly raptor]

@uneven jetty this comment puts it better than i can rn

[severe crown]

I think in their mind it makes sense because of the roots of the company

I work at a family business that grew a lot now up to like 600 people and they still have that mentality in some things. Small company culture sticks for a long time

[uneven jetty]

For example if she complained and then was fired then I can see the meeting being callous. If she quit and things were raised in an exit interview (assuming there was one) then I can see this as being a standard and correct action to make.

[young forum]

The source of the leak has said it was called immediately after Madison left in response to her departure and, given other supporting evidence that has been posted, it does seem like they have some internal contacts. They could be misrepresenting this but, given that it was originally posted months ago before Madison went public, that doesn't seem to be the case.

[jolly raptor]

they also should of done an investigation from the jump and do sensitivity trainings at least seem like they are taking w/e concerns that were raised that led to this meeting. they could at least make an effort to show that htey arrent an organization that tolerates bad things happening instead of "go to a biased party and talk personally to the person who u have a problem with"

[young forum]

According her she raised issues and was rebuffed multiple times, to multiple levels of management before ultimately leaving the company.

[severe crown]

You have no idea what they knew about this up to the tweets

You literally don't know

[uneven jetty]

Right and that is an issue but I'm not sure what that has to do specifically with the meeting or why it's damning in any way.

[severe crown]

Hindsight sure is convenient

[jolly raptor]

Madison allegations stated that she went multiple times to upper management about the issues and she was told to suck it up

[tribal magnet]

Who are we meant to criticize in this video anyway... just the person who mentioned dancing on the table?

[pulsar depot]

As of now the hyper analysis of the meeting seems like scraping the bottom of the barrel to find additional things to slam ltt for. Don’t get me wrong, I get LTT fucked up, i was the one that created the thread after all. But this just seems like a reach, especially when the biggest claim of the matter is James making the joke he made.

[ember depot]

wasnt this a mandatory meeting called immediately following her departure?

[jolly raptor]

honestly that was an inappropiate joke, but not rly the big issue (for me at least)

[pulsar depot]

This changes nothing

[young forum]

No, but we can infer that, if Madison is not lying, and there is reason to believe that she's not, then multiple people within LMG were made aware.

[severe crown]

And at the same time linus says they don't recognize many parts of her story so clearly somewhere someone is either lying or the communication about the matters wasn't clear or didn't reach him

[severe crown]

Sure

[jolly raptor]

reddit is going in on the joke, but that joke is the tip of the iceberg. it's the context and tone of the meeting that bothers me

[tribal magnet]

They also dont call it a SA/SH meeting.. so the joke was just a joke at a random other meeting

[severe crown]

Tbh overall this stuff should just be left to the private investigator, ideally this should never have become a public issue and the matter should have been properly handled internally at the time

[shell sentinel]

to Linus, who is is very close to I am sure

[ember depot]

the joke itself is not much, but being made in the context it is claimed to be is worrying

[tribal magnet]

yeah im saying that context doesnt seem to exist

[severe crown]

People outside the company don't have the context to make proper judgements on this

[young forum]

The fact that an emergency in-person meeting had to be called in the middle of the COVID lock-down when people were not working from the office to address issues of workplace malfeasance is rathter telling given the timing and accusations. It's not definitive, but the fact that such a meeting had to occur is circumstantial support for Madison (or at least indicates that accusations were made and were known by some levels of management).

[jolly raptor]

that's may be fair, but where there is smoke, there's fire. and there's a lot of smoke

[ember depot]

a lot of my opinion will depend on the context of it. But that a senior manager felt comfortable to make a joke at a meeting to address that issue....

[elfin nacelle]

I mean, if I wanted to copy one company, it'd be Costco

[uneven jetty]

I would assume that she stated why she was leaving to management.

[elfin nacelle]

They're usually on the up and up, employment wise

[pulsar depot]

Was it necessarily a work appropriate joke? Probably not (approaching definitely not). I don’t think this joke was a jab at Madison or the scenario at all, and we don’t even know if James was aware. we don’t have full context and we are assuming. Inferring is still assuming unless there are no other options, which there are plenty of options available.

[severe crown]

Hopefully it clears up soon so they can see what's actually going on

[severe crown]

This is the internet and i will assume the worst of ltt on every occasion (they are evil!) 😠

[pulsar depot]

I’m not even going to go that far

There are many reasons to be upset with LTT

I just think this one is a reach.

[severe crown]

Anyways imma go sleep gn y'all see you tomorrow for the next part of the drama

[pulsar depot]

That’s just my opinion tho, it may be shit.

[uneven jetty]

Ehh, put it this way. I have worked with some of the best coworkers ever and some of the worst coworkers ever. Lot of what I mentioned earlier today which I don't really want to revisit happened there. Proof that amazing managers and good policies at the top don't always filter down to the lowest levels of a company.

[severe crown]

Nah ur take makes sense to me

[elfin nacelle]

I gotchu

[uneven jetty]

Like it was night an day there when I moved from being in the building to the corporate offices.

[young forum]

I suspect it will be moths before there is any initial findings and longer for definitive ones.

Although that also depends on how much evidence Madison and others could have kept and are willing to share.

[uneven jetty]

Also where I saw how it was almost impossible to control every facet of business that size. Like we would have managers literally just make up shit and then fake an email to make it look like it came from corp... and that was pretty minor compaired to some of the shit I saw go on.

In all honesty the Madison event very possibly could be what prompted Linus to hire a CEO. He specifically brought up HR in his announcement video that he was transitioning.

[spice gust]

transitioning 😳

[tribal magnet]

yeah i was thinking what will her name be

Lina?

[jolly raptor]

i wish Emily felt more comfortable to be in front of the camera

[stable yew]

I miss emily too

[jolly raptor]

she was one of my fav hosts

[stable yew]

I did just see they are hiring an external investigator

which is realistically the only possible solution rn

[tribal magnet]

I was so confused when people talking about Emily

[left gust]

So best wait to see what the investigation says once they gather all the evidence

[glad meadow]

I'm also sad that Emily is being camera shy but I understand why.

[left gust]

I think everybody in the company’s on edge, and for good reason.

[glad meadow]

For real, I miss the retro gaming and computing stuff she brought to the table.

[stable yew]

And the linux stuff

[glad meadow]

Sure, that too :P

[left gust]

At least they’re not in Artesian Builds territory of screwed.

[glad meadow]

Not yet.

[tribal magnet]

I like Anthony and I dont know if we are meant to be completely avoiding ever mentioning the name but right now I dont feel like I know Emily

[young forum]

Depending on how much fallout there is and what is found they could be.

[glad meadow]

To be fair, they're also not embezzeling thousands of dollars in gpu preorders

[jolly raptor]

it sucks being trans 😦 i might be selfish/biased, but it hurts that she cant feel confident on camera.

[stable yew]

She goes by Emily now, generally yeah Anthony is not to be used anymore unless referring to her new identity

[glad meadow]

That's my experience with transitioned people also. A couple of friends from high school disappeared and reappeared with different plumbing and personalities

[tribal magnet]

yeah i think we are still in a state of limbo lol

[stable yew]

I'm not getting anything from LTTStore rn but they did introduce some cute keyboard pins

[glad meadow]

It's not fair to apply that to everyone, but a new person requires self discovery is what Im told.

[upper phoenix]

If business goes truly bad we might get some sweet LTTStore overstock discounts.

[left gust]

It’s gonna suck for everyone who works for LMG

[stable yew]

I got a fleece on their sale. Luckily it doesn't have LTT branding on it though so I can probably still wear it

[upper phoenix]

Yes, I have no shame.

[jolly raptor]

if u want to be on the safe side, u should go with w/e the individual asked to be called. She's out as Emily, so that's the name we should use

[stable yew]

I hope they're able to work out the bad people. LMT right now certainly reeks of some "bro culture"

[glad meadow]

"you know that company tanked and burned everyone alive with it, right?"
"fuck you the sweater is comfy af"

[left gust]

Which is honestly EXTREMELY common in the tech spaces

[jolly raptor]

toxic bro culture

[jolly raptor]

i have soooo many stories about shit like this, it's all too common annoyingly

[upper phoenix]

Nah, their waffle shirts. Could use some more of those.

[left gust]

There’s a reason why I compare the tech space to the video game spaces, even though people insist they’re different fields

[jolly raptor]

it's the same toxic bs

[upper phoenix]

good thing there is none of that in this server

[jolly raptor]

totes

[tribal magnet]

Its ok i would never refer to them as anything but Emily.. it was just me feeling like its some taboo mentioning their past name

[left gust]

What you’re talking about is “deadnaming”. It’s a sensitive subject, and it varies depending on who you’re talking to.

Some acknowledge their past life is public, others find it offensive to ever call them by their former identity

Generally speaking, always refer to them by what they go by now

[young forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251822595723362306/1141504106360483840/image.png

[tribal magnet]

Yeah i get that impression but im fine with that.. its just when i had no idea who Emily was it was awkward with people avoiding the name so it was weird

[little birch]

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1691944990631707102?s=20

Linus Tech Tips (@LinusTech)

We are taking Madison’s allegations seriously. We are conducting an internal assessment alongside bringing in a third-party investigator to look into the allegations. We are committed to publishing the findings and implementing any corrective actions that may arise due to this.…

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 10:48 PM

[left gust]

Like you said, it’s an adjustment period. It only becomes a problem if you’re unwilling to adjust and you dismiss the concerns outright

[shell sentinel]

people misundersand what HR is for

HR is not there to protect you

HR is there to protect the company.

[tribal magnet]

Emily still remains one of my favourite members of LTT, I just hope they will return to making videos

[left gust]

There’s a reason why people who speak out are often laid off

[jolly raptor]

super this, i could only speak for myself but i understood where Syronin was coming from

[left gust]

I’d wait to see how LTT pans out before wondering if she’ll come back.

For all we know, they’re gonna shit the bed so hard that many of the team might just go indie

[shell sentinel]

I mean sure, although that is where things start getting into the legal grey area at best

[tribal magnet]

A lot of them would do well on their own channels

[jolly raptor]

just because something is legal doesnt make it ok

[pulsar depot]

Say it louder for the people in the back

[tribal magnet]

I personally like Alex style.. hes very calm

[shell sentinel]

same way police are not there to "Protect and Serve"

[shell sentinel]

both jobs where they claim they are there for you when in reality they are't

[pulsar depot]

Ok I disagree there police are definitely here to serve the public they just “sometimes” do a shit job at it

[shell sentinel]

they are quite literally not legally obligated to it

[jolly raptor]

so what's more important, the protection of the power holdrs or the workers/citizens

[shell sentinel]

there was some court decision

[uneven jetty]

Yes but you can use this to your advantage. Having a problem employee causing lawsuits hurst the company in the long term.

[left gust]

Let’s not bring up police controversy here. That’s gonna spiral way off topic

[shell sentinel]

True. Definitely not denying that

[pulsar depot]

We definitely aren’t diving deep into it. It’s just an analogy

[left gust]

Totally fair. I’ve just seen how convos get derailed the second someone brings up the purpose of cops.

[jolly raptor]

as stated on the reddit page for the leaked meetng:

Wow, the transcript really makes it grossly clear how much Linus is into the whole 'You're being harassed/abused? Go work it out with your harasser/abuser'

[shell sentinel]

I was not bringing up pros and cons, just their obligation FWIW

[jolly raptor]

there comes a point where u have to look after ur team if u pride urself on a safe work culture

[left gust]

Anyways, does anybody know how long this investigation might take?

[pulsar depot]

Nope

[jolly raptor]

might take months, who knows

[pulsar depot]

Not even the investigators.

These things aren’t a fixed timeline.

What I will say is don’t expect a response tomorrow or anytime soon. Even once the investigation is done, they’re still going to have to format it in a way that is “safe” for public consumption.

[left gust]

Given how everything is happening, the last thing LMG needs is another skeleton to pop outta nowhere

[left gust]

Right. They’re all on lockdown pretty much. Even if they resume content production, it’s going to be VERY cagey

[spice gust]

I'd give it an absolute minimum of 3 weeks but likely longer

[tribal magnet]

pausing releasing videos is probably more about worrying what the sponsers will think with videos having so much anger in the comments and the downvotes

[jolly raptor]

this story is blowing up more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH6zCNR0SZ4

[hexed wasp]

Transcript from a meeting?

Where can I find that?

[tribal magnet]

wow hes still around i havent seen him for ages

[jolly raptor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/11dltrr/unreleased_meeting_december_9_2021/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1

look at the comments

[pulsar depot]

Or don’t

You won’t miss out

Reddit comments are still Reddit comments

[tribal magnet]

What do i know philip de franco from?

[pulsar depot]

Watch the video and draw your own conclusions.

[jolly raptor]

he's an old school yt that still has a sizaable audience

[hexed wasp]

Who took the video?

[jolly raptor]

who knows, it's a leak

[pulsar depot]

For obvious reasons that info isn’t public.

[hexed wasp]

Ohhh

[tribal magnet]

yeah i know i used to watch him but dont remember what ti was lol

[pulsar depot]

Recording a company meeting like that is the easiest way to get fired from any company

Nobody in their right mind will claim that video

[little birch]

I thought my YT was in 1.5 or even 2x. I appreciate philly d's quick talking 😄

[pulsar depot]

Is it any new info or is he just an echo chamber of already known info

I’m assuming the latter

[left gust]

Ooof. This is gonna get a boost in news. Now all we gotta do is wait until MoistCritical comments on it

[little birch]

already known info but of course everyone has their own spin on it

[pulsar depot]

I can pass on his shitty one liners thanks

[jolly raptor]

oh boy, the drama vultures new content piece

[stable yew]

I was expecting ludwig to comment on linus's gaming competition challenge but that's not gonna happen lmfao

[jolly raptor]

oh

[left gust]

For sure. But you can’t deny that he’s got reach.

[spice gust]

I took it 😳

[jolly raptor]

LTT directly reached out to Philly D

[left gust]

That’s the worst bit. We’re gonna get drama tubers who know nothing about tech just leaping on this for new content. Buckle in everybody.

[pulsar depot]

We don’t need full transcripts in this chat, thanks

People can watch videos and read articles if necessary

[shell sentinel]

honestly even having the PC in it is a bold move

[spice gust]

Can someone post the transcript of War and Peace for me please

[stable yew]

It should've just been recorded face down

[pulsar depot]

I thought the same, but then I realized half of LTT probably has that same build

[jolly raptor]

my bad, i'll delete it

[shell sentinel]

ehhhh they are usually unique enough

[pulsar depot]

It’s the most generic looking gamer pc there is

[shell sentinel]

yea but not EXACTLY the same

[left gust]

One of the big things I say about making content: don’t get involved with drama tubers. They literally live off controversy, and friendships can crumble if all you do is marinate in other’s misery.

[pulsar depot]

Corsair, ftw3, you’ve narrowed it down to about 50% of LTT

[shell sentinel]

and these are PC people, they will notice the small things

[jolly raptor]

idk but discord isnt letting me delete it

[stable yew]

I don't see it

[tribal magnet]

its not there

[stable yew]

It might've gotten sniped

[dense spruce]

I watched half of the LTT all-hands-on-deck, so-pre-written-it's-painful video. Have to wait a bit to watch the rest. I guess I have an allergy to PR these days.

[pulsar depot]

It got auto modded

It’s already gone

[jolly raptor]

ah

sry

[pulsar depot]

Just making sure you don’t get insta yeeted by automod lol

[left gust]

It’s because all PR videos basically sound the same. Like they all took the same script template for the most inoffensive message possible

[pulsar depot]

Some people spam the shit out of it thinking their internet is dead or something

And get yeeted

[jolly raptor]

oof, thx for letting me know

[dense spruce]

That's a popular take, but I don't agree that it's an apt one. I'm not bothered by something being "unoffensive". I like unoffensive by and large. I'd say the problem is that it's canned speech. It's intrinsically fake, even if the person speaking it wrote it. It's designed to have an affect on the hearer, not authentically speak someone's thoughts. Not all writing is like that, but we see it so often that we can identify it instantly, and I've just run out of patience with the corporate version.

I think it's even more specific. The kind of manipuation that's attempted is itself depressingly familiar

[left gust]

Totally agree. I feel like corpo speak has become extremely identifiable by the public by now, and it’s a wonder why those who still use it don’t understand why we don’t trust them.

There was even a Weird Al song that took the piss out of all of that vague corpo speak synergy.

I sometimes wonder if people in PR are aware of how canned and disingenuous those responses sound

[pulsar depot]

im sure they are. However, they care about numbers. As long as the numbers align, any rambling on the side is not a concern of theirs.

Look at the last post of LTT trying to speak their mind

it blew up, and made the situation worse.

[plucky jacinth]

it blew up, like this segway to our sponsor...

[final cipher]

It's also a little complicated for public figures with para social relationships, for instance. Stephanie Sterling still uses her dead name professionally for name recognition reasons.

[plucky jacinth]

no wan show this week i reckon

[dense spruce]

I wonder if the speech patterns - the diction and tone - that's consistently used has an upside. I'm thinking that one common outcome is people tuning it out, but knowing that "OK, standard adults in the room are doing adult things, they seem to be acting in the standard way for a corporation, so good enough for now, I guess."

[young forum]

Almost certainly.

[stable yew]

They did say pausing all video processes

[pulsar depot]

theyre also still live.

[stable yew]

yeah that needs to be shut down lol

It's their 24/7 stream

[left gust]

I just find it annoying because it sounds artificial. And I feel like everybody involved knows it’s artificial, but because of standards and practices they basically have to speak that way.

[plucky jacinth]

nobody watches that, i've most certantly saw at least 60% of their vids

[pulsar depot]

this doesnt change the fact that theyre still live,.

[left gust]

They’re probably figuring out how they can still get a steady revenue with all of their video production on pause

[dense spruce]

I think if the style was consistently self-defeating then it would be rejected more. It must serve some goals, even if full communication with many in the audience isn't one of them

[uneven jetty]

Yes, and they don't care. That's not the point really. PRs main job is to send out messaging without causing further damage. Everything sounds fake and scripted because it is, it has to be in the day and age of out of context soundbites getting plastered everywhere.

[shell sentinel]

or people taking specific bits out of context

[pulsar depot]

Pre canned might sound annoying but it gets the ship heading in the right direction. It speaks for the fact that they understand their previous way of speaking is not the solution, and that they need to approach things different. Even if theyre forced to do it.

[plucky jacinth]

those AI songs really got old like milk

[pulsar depot]

the point isnt to show that everyone involved understands they are the fault. it shows that SOMEONE somewhere on the ship understands what TF is going on and the extent of the problem

who that is, we are to find out.

or not, who knows.

look at the responses this morning. "Yeah its corporate but honestly a decent response."

Thats all they want.

[plucky jacinth]

now i wanna know what the quote for the copper block was

[dense spruce]

eh, I see no reason to think that. I think they're trying to navigate this and have the down week be the worst of it, with a quick recovery and no repeat because of actual positive changes made during the week. All those people are using canned speech, but they DO want to get past this. They're real people and probably like most want to respect the work that they do and be seen as effective.

[pulsar depot]

theyre not rebuilding the city with that video. Theyre putting out the fires.

[robust prism]

I’m not seeing a discussion on ltt’s response to Madison

Nevermind, it’s pinned

[shell sentinel]

2k

[dense spruce]

They may believe they can work back up to the current release schedule AND ensure quality, but they know that repeating the mistakes of the past could be lethal for the brand

[plucky jacinth]

oh,i thought it was gonna be more

[stable yew]

I thought so too

I would've said 20k tbh

[shell sentinel]

what? haha 2k feels higher than I was expecting honestly

[plucky jacinth]

yeah, being a prototype and possible corporate spying stuff

[shell sentinel]

wtf

[robust prism]

It’s a recreatable prototype
2k is a block and a 3090ti

[shell sentinel]

20k?

[dense spruce]

it's a prototype. Hand-made

[stable yew]

It was $800 to begin with

[young forum]

https://pbs-prod.linustechtips.com/monthly_2023_08/image.png.506e47bb95f3137f491bbd551811f102.png

[plucky jacinth]

yeah but it was supposedly a prototype, those cost way more

[shell sentinel]

AFAIK they are still getting the 3090ti back, that is just the block

[robust prism]

neat.

[shell sentinel]

they were originally planning on letting LTT KEEP the block.

[robust prism]

yeah.

[shell sentinel]

they obviously didnt have a hard need for it immediately.

[hexed wasp]

🤨

Werent they going to send it to other reviewers

[stable yew]

this is a corporate response but a pretty good one imo

[shell sentinel]

no, I forget where it was, but originally they were gonna leave it at LTT, but then asked for it back after the bad review (fairly IMO)

[robust prism]

I think the miscommunication thing does seem likely instead of intentional aware sabotage

[stable yew]

yeah I don't think it was malicious

[pulsar depot]

i dont think anyone here thought that they intentionally stole the thing.

[robust prism]

I can see that being normalized with a review unit.

[stable yew]

Just another example of bad processes

[hexed wasp]

I mean, if I send my best prototype of a product to a reviewer, and they improperly review it, and then trash it, I would want it back to be sent to other reviewers too ngl

[uneven jetty]

was that ever in doubt?

[young forum]

You can already tell that the new CEO has actually taken control of the situation.

Just compare that to Linus' initial responses.

[jolly raptor]

yeah it was an honest mistake. for the things addressed in gamers nexus' video, i honestly took that as honest mistakes that were compounded by certain employees blabbering about how much better LTT labs was and Linus' trash responses to almost any controversy

[stable yew]

It almost makes me think that Terren had monday off lol

[uneven jetty]

There is where being director level at a large corp like Dell comes in handy.

[robust prism]

The idea that a response wasn’t made until the video was published did suggest it to me but I’m grasping.

[stable yew]

They probably just didn't want to draw attention to it

[uneven jetty]

oh I thought you meant about the auction in the first palce.

[jolly raptor]

like if Linus wasnt horrible at responding to criticism (and the team stopped bragging), this whole story wouldn't have blown up like it did

[pulsar depot]

it was already blown up before he responded tbf

[stable yew]

well it got a lot worse

[jolly raptor]

im also referencing the WAN show comments

[pulsar depot]

well yeah, thats pretty much the story. The story wouldnt have blown up if there wasnt a story

the story isnt he made mistakes

[uneven jetty]

yah but to be honest people were saying that corp PR sounds scripted and boring... well you saw first hand where unscripted and spicy get you

[jolly raptor]

i mean the accuracy stuff could have been explained away as inexperience

[pulsar depot]

the story is he made mistakes and actively refused to do anything about it when critiqued

[uneven jetty]

he made a bad situation even worse.

[pulsar depot]

yeppp

[hexed wasp]

Thats a poor excuse ngl

Like come on, its Linus Tech Tips

[uneven jetty]

I think new CEO and Evon had to step in and make him shutup.

[hexed wasp]

How can you argue inexperience

(im not saying you are)

[jolly raptor]

LTT labs is new(ish) and they nvr had the rigor in their reviews like they are claiming to now. inexperience

[hexed wasp]

i mean that i dont think that they could ever argue inexperience

[pulsar depot]

have to agree with Arya. The way they present themselves, writing it off as inexperience would kill any of their credibility. Its obviously expected that linus fuck things up/drop things/break them, but thats because the expectation was the rest of his team was there to fact check for him and make sure he didnt do anything too heinous.

[hexed wasp]

they should still have people that know traditional benchmarking and would be able to tell that something was off

[jolly raptor]

i agree, they talked too much game without backing it up.

[young forum]

Yvonne, but yes - I think they had a serious conversation about how his off-the-cuff statements are making things worse.

[uneven jetty]

thanks, forgot how to spell her name lol.

[robust prism]

From what I can tell, the lab staff aren’t too bad.
They hire with those with industry experience. While that obviously doesn’t translate to applicable experience, and it hasn’t, it’s better than wide eyed recruits.

[jolly raptor]

i had more of a problem with the bragging than the inexperience itself

and Linus' disaster response

[robust prism]

I see it as the fact that they can scale with quality if they tried.
Which everyone agrees with and is what’s the most frustrating; that they aren’t doing that.

[pulsar depot]

not until linus is removed/backs himself out of any position of power. He needs to be a regular person in the videos at most with his name on the channel. He has to drop all this "Chief Vision officer" (whatever the fuck that means) bs

[ruby cave]

I watched the ltt vid

[uneven jetty]

parts are there main issue is the pipeline, when you have a lot of people doing a lot of different things all at once at a rapid pace you all have to be perfectly in sync and on the same page. I think that is where most of the inexperience is.

[ruby cave]

Why is there still a fucking a joke about ltt store or about even sponsorships

[jolly raptor]

they cant be serious. ever.

and that's what they replied and said in the Philly D statement

[ruby cave]

It's like the worst jokes and timing ever conceived who the fuck decided that was good

[plucky jacinth]

all this from a douche comment in a guided visit

[pulsar depot]

nope, way more than that.

there are LOTS of problems that have been getting called out for ages

[plucky jacinth]

well i started following it after that

[pulsar depot]

GN just compiled them into a single video.

[robust prism]

Cant believe these guys were tryna figure out full testing automation

[jolly raptor]

tbf, they were doing novels ways of automating testing as they found that other techniques werent good enough for what they wanted to do

which is fair

[ruby cave]

Also what the fuck was with every thing else? Floatplane? Why is linus speaking again into a camera

The Terren then into Yvonne was fine then what the fuck was everything else

[jolly raptor]

Linus also kinda super defensive in the video. the rest of the team were more remorseful about the BilletLabs situation and they did have legitimate info about their actions, but still

[ruby cave]

Can I get a link to the Philly d statement

Or is it also in the vid

[jolly raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH6zCNR0SZ4

pinned comment

[pulsar depot]

linus will be linus. This is why Yvonne told him to STFU

"linus is a human gas molecule"

[jolly raptor]

a combustible one at that

[ruby cave]

He came off like he didn't learn any lessons and just kept blaming the community

[pulsar depot]

linus hasnt learned shit

call me crazy, but thats what it seems like,

[ruby cave]

Especially now with the Madison Reeve allegations

Not even a yeah I fucked up. He just had to rotate it back to the community of being too much like what.

[jolly raptor]

he just needs to stfu and let the adults in the room handle PR

[hexed wasp]

I think thats what they are doing now

Ofc this reviewer error stuff, the billet labs stuff, it was bad

But these new allegations are very serious, and I think they realized that

[ruby cave]

Imo as long as linus is the boss of everyone, nothing will probably change

[pulsar depot]

and so long as hes majority stakeholder, he will be.

[ruby cave]

If he can't even seem to comprehend that he fucked up and own up to it without rotating it and blaming the community. I don't think anything with change with LMG

I mean the whole videos thing and the fact checking and shit will probably work

But there will be a lot of damage control or telling him to shut the hell up

[pulsar depot]

the internet never forgets 🫡

[ruby cave]

Also wait

The ltt apology was monetize beforehand??

[pulsar depot]

yes

[uneven jetty]

His wife seems more level headed about the situation so really he just needs to take a step back.

[ruby cave]

The most ltt thing to happen

[pulsar depot]

the ltt apology not only was monitized, but had another rather large fuck up in it

they leaked the block price/settlement

not the biggest of fuck ups, but rather ironic for a company making a statement about improving due diligence.

[ruby cave]

Already in hot water for releasing videos that seem to be just pumped out for no odd reason

Immediately releases a video that has the biggest fuckup imaginable

Lmao

It's like the whole tech jesus ass ripping didn't get through their heads

[young forum]

She's always been the better business person by Linus' own admission.

[ruby cave]

Hilariously and badly ironic

Would this technically be schadenfreude?

[young forum]

And locked behind a paywall for several hours.

[ruby cave]

Wait

Wat

[pulsar depot]

floatplane

[ruby cave]

Wdym locked behind a paywall

🤦🤡

The jokes continue to write themselves

[leaden bison]

Floatplane gets everything first

[pulsar depot]

yeah, thats a pretty big slap for something that is supposed to be a public apology.

not so public when its paywalled.

[bronze wadi]

lmao paywalled apology

thats hilarious

[ruby cave]

Once again the irony and jokes just keep writing themselves

[young forum]

It was a Floatplane excusive for a bit (although it also leaked almost immediately).

[ruby cave]

But still why? If it's an apology to the community why are you just releasing it first to floatplane when you could've just released it immediately to YouTube where most of your audience is

But then again nobody bothered to even wonder why they should monetize it

So at this point my point is moot

[robust prism]

casual promotion of other mediums that ig happen to be paywalled.
I guess it’s a combination of the mentality that the floatplane community is the closest knit ltt community, and the idea that floatplane is a completely valid platform to them

[pulsar depot]

thats the problem in my eyes - its not a valid platform for community outreach

[robust prism]

Don’t think they thought through the response of everyone else that weren’t involved, but most of that audience are just dogpiling.

[pulsar depot]

their community extends FAR beyond floatplane

[robust prism]

yeah

[pulsar depot]

we are talking 50k people vs at least 15.5 million people

[robust prism]

I think they thought the other way around, “the community extends beyond youtube and we should spread this out”

[pulsar depot]

that would be a silly thought from them at best.

imo

that would be like the US president addressing US citizens in while north korea

[ruby cave]

It would make sense if the video was something else

[jolly raptor]

devil's advocate, they wanted to maybe apologize to their paying customers first?

[ruby cave]

But when it's suppose to address ethics, fuckups and things to work on it should be known to everyone. Or was the general mass just suppose to not fucking know

[jolly raptor]

im not saying that's okay or not, but it might be a reason?

[jolly raptor]

oh i agree, im just trying to be as fair as i can be

[ruby cave]

It shouldn't be a reason

[jolly raptor]

fair

[ruby cave]

Like it feels like the general mass was just suppose to just learn it later. When the majority of people that literally support and watch ltt are probably not only from YouTube but also reddit probably a variety of discords

[robust prism]

I think they don’t respect the “general mass” as much and I personally think it’s fair from an ignorant and sweeping point of view

I’m sure most of the things they see on a daily basis from the “general mass” is just shitposting and they probably just filter out the noise at this point.

[young forum]

https://pbs-prod.linustechtips.com/monthly_2023_08/image.jpeg.cbb19725e24eb66a98bb79e20f7f4a8b.jpeg

[ruby cave]

Wat

BATED BREATH?

I would agree on the ignore the shitposting but lmao

Delusion

[stoic sable]

Any updates?

[pulsar depot]

nothing big.

depends what you last saw. Anything major gets pinned.

👀

[near python]

Edited roles for @viral marsh +TempStream

[viscid sluice]

I meant that sexual harassment and a hostile work environment is illegal. Unlike data discrepancies and the ethical concerns.

[frigid tusk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/mandatory_meeting_the_after_madisons_departure/

[pulsar depot]

already pinned

wait

no its not

[frigid tusk]

tldr

[frigid tusk]

someone pin this

[pulsar depot]

watch it its literally 4 minutes long

[frigid tusk]

eh i read comments, looks like the allegations were true

[pulsar depot]

youre basing that on reddit comments?

thats a dangerous game.

[robust prism]

Where did that video come from

[pulsar depot]

Reddit isnt necessarily the peak of intelligence

[pulsar depot]

leaked months ago

and its now resurfacing.

[robust prism]

ah.

[frigid tusk]

transcription by u/elnachohat if ur having trouble hearing it

[viscid sluice]

If only LTT ever did that

[pulsar depot]

am i crazy for not reading this the same as the people in the comments freaking out "Speak to your abuser"

Hes not saying speak to someone if theyre actively abusing you. Hes stating there is a chain of order for who to go to based on how comfortable you are. Not comfortable with confronting that person? Go to Linus/Yvonne. Not comfortable with going to Linus or Yvonne either? Go to the HR department.

that seems like a generalized chain of command for any issues you may take with someone. Not everything needs to go to HR or linus. Some simpler disputes can be solved with a conversation.

not seeing this as specifically targeting assault related claims

[robust prism]

I agree with you on how this is just purely normal procedure

looks different with new context.
This meeting likely wasn’t called with the exact framing of “a response to sexual harassment” in mind.

[vague elk]

Just watched the SomeOrdinaryGamers Video, I definitely liked how they summarized everything so it was easy to digest

[pulsar depot]

summaries can be dangerous.

they often leave out key details that can make or break a claim and leave significant room for interpretation and/or speculation.

[vague elk]

He did leave out that worker ethics scenario but everything else was spot on, only major flaw with that video which is definitely crucial

[uneven jetty]

Depending on what it is you can speak to the person directly. I had someone talking shit behind my back before and I called them out on it and said it was not appreciated. They stopped after that. I get my case was minor and there are different levels of severity but I don't think the blanket "try working it out with that person directly first" is a bad thing.

[pulsar depot]

yeah thats exactly where i stand with it

thats why i feel this whole meeting leak is just people scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything they can use against linus, regardless of how valid the concern is

[vague elk]

Oh wait

Mutahar was focusing on the videos/testing part ohh

It's not a summary

[white wedge]

I believe in the jesus

so whatever the lord says i will hear

[robust prism]

[white wedge]

[orchid musk]

Hows the TechTip doing today

[young forum]

Poorly.

[worldly garden]

Considering they have allegations from a former employee this is alot of shit that their new ceo has to deal with

[pulsar depot]

terren is probably thinking what the fuck did i get myself into

all i can say is if he manages to recover LTT from this the dudes got a PHAT resume pad.

[hallow elbow]

"i wish i could go back to corsair/dell"

[worldly garden]

Lol

Hearing Maddisons story I feel bad for her

[cursive beacon]

Here is the video if the post ever gets censored

[worldly garden]

What's this for

[orchid musk]

I have that card design!

[uneven jetty]

why would it get censored?

[hallow elbow]

i could barely concentrate on the meeting cuz of the overblown rgb pc

[cursive beacon]

If subreddit mods delete it

[uneven jetty]

idk, there is nothing to censor to me personally.

[worldly garden]

Who was it from

[cursive beacon]

Nah I mean the fact it basically hints at madison's claims

[uneven jetty]

like this is the most vanilla leaked audio. It's literally the same HR meeting I have to attend every year.

[cursive beacon]

It was recorded in december 2021

[uneven jetty]

okay?

[cursive beacon]

Right when madison left

[uneven jetty]

okay?

sounds like a standard thing to do to me tbh.

[worldly garden]

Have you heard Maddisons story?

[elfin nacelle]

Yes

[cursive beacon]

You have to link the two together

[uneven jetty]

If someone leaves on bad terms and they specifically state harassment issues that almost always results in an HR meeting after.

It's just standard practice.

[cursive beacon]

Yes but this HR meeting is unprofessional though

Comes off as if nobody cares

[hallow elbow]

like james making a casual stripper joke in a meeting about harassment allegations

[young forum]

It was during the middle of the COVID lockdown when most people were remote and they brought everyone back to the office.

That's not usual, nor is having a meeting like this at short notice.

[uneven jetty]

This is all nitpicking tbh.

[hallow elbow]

"you gonna dance on that table too?"

[young forum]

In my organization that would probably result in meetings with HR in and of itself. Although we also expect a very professional atmosphere.

[uneven jetty]

But I don't see it as an admission of guild. More heading off office rumors and gossip. I literally got pulled into the same short notice style meeting today because some people were let go from the department.

[cursive beacon]

If you made a sexual joke in an HR meeting related to harassment you would be not be casually ignored almost anywhere

[viscid sluice]

Not really, they do not market themselves on YouTube as an entertainment channel. They market themselves as a channel about tech stuff and PC.

Most people here think they are entertainment first because they already know LTT data stuff is full of shit.

[elfin nacelle]

The meeting content itself?

I don't see an issue, maybe the way it was pulled together, sure

[cinder gate]

Hot DAMN I did not expect we’d actually get a statement about Madison’s claims

[elfin nacelle]

Huh?

[cinder gate]

https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1691944990631707102?s=61&t=SIxh5Um1qaqJPl01nueSXg

Linus Tech Tips (@LinusTech)

We are taking Madison’s allegations seriously. We are conducting an internal assessment alongside bringing in a third-party investigator to look into the allegations. We are committed to publishing the findings and implementing any corrective actions that may arise due to this.…

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[uneven jetty]

Joke was off color and we have no idea if it was just casually ignored or not. Like if I was a manager I would have pulled them asside privately. We just don't know all the details.

[worldly garden]

I just feel bad for her what happened to her was just wrong on so many levels

[hallow elbow]

welp, the ltt server is a mess

[elfin nacelle]

This sounds like what came out of the verge article

Just more

[cinder gate]

Haven’t seen the verge article. Only woke up 20 minutes ago

[cursive beacon]

The biggest thing is that it implies that LMG was AWARE of some sort of harassment. Hiring an investigator about something you clearly know about seems odd.

[elfin nacelle]

Have you tried not sleeping

[hallow elbow]

one of the mods changed "public-chat" or whatever to "public-toast" cuz hahahaha funny toast

[elfin nacelle]

[cinder gate]

Hiring a third party is absolutely the best thing to do

[elfin nacelle]

Wut

[cursive beacon]

Correct, but this implies that LMG was aware of something before

[cinder gate]

How many times have you seen a company or entity conduct an internal investigation and clear themselves of wrongdoing?

[elfin nacelle]

How....?

[uneven jetty]

As I mentioned on a different server "I have worked for very large companies before and there are certain realities once you reach a certain size. Some founders struggle with that transition as they are put in situations that they are not comfortable dealing with and will sometimes just put their head in the sand and ignore problems."

I honestly think it came down to the fact there were allegations about people Linus has worked a long time with comming from someone who had been there less than a year.

For better or worse he did not know how to handle that and ignored it.

I think he should be taken to task for that but I can see how it came about.

Thats why I think the outside CEO is a good thing for the company as he can be much more objective.

[cinder gate]

That was already pinned

[elfin nacelle]

Spooky

[azure shuttle]

I think Linus definitely noticed issues were rising under his rule as CEO. I think LMG is eventually gonna go into the right direction. As clearly at least Linus was self-aware to realize he was no longer fit for CEO

[jolly raptor]

hiring an outside investigator is the only response LMG has to make if they want to keep any shred of credibility. My thing is that y tf didnt they hiring one when Madison brought up those concerns or when Madison left?

[jolly raptor]

well prolly this

[worldly garden]

Well I'm no longer gonna watch ltt because of that shit

[pulsar depot]

imo i dont think he even realized this. It seems he changed his title and almost nothing else.

hes still going around swinging his nub

[tawdry peak]

Wow that internal meeting

[hallow elbow]

ltt discord is an absolute mess

theyre just talking about toast

[tawdry peak]

I hope the person that recorded this doesn't get into trouble for that

[hallow elbow]

i doubt theyd be found out tbh

its easy if you just stay anonymous enough

leaking shit is the hard part

not getting caught is quite easy

[azure shuttle]

Bro the Madison allegations are insane

I won’t trust their “3rd party investigations”

As they always end up with

[uneven jetty]

There was like 100 people in that meeting probably. GL finding the person.

[azure shuttle]

“We investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty”

[pulsar depot]

This is literally why they’re using a 3rd party

I don’t know what you want