ltt-discussion

[pulsar depot]

i would if you want to keep up with the convo.

this applies to anyone trying to partake in it, really

[uneven jetty]

we did, had to take it yearly actually but with a large company you get all kinds of people. This was also in thee warehouse where the "suck it up" mentality is strong. Same place the manager would scream and curse at you on a daily basis and throw things around the bakery. I was too young and inexperianced to know that it was not how things were supposed to be. I thought it was just what was required to work at that high of a level and get things done.

[ruby cave]

Especially after seeing how braindead the letter was

[pulsar depot]

the video directly calls out the forum response as shit

[cinder gate]

yeah that's nasty shit

[ruby cave]

So more PR and damage control....

[pulsar depot]

like, not beating around the bush, they openly admit it was horrible and yvonne tore him a new asshole at the start

[cinder gate]

that type of behaviour in the workplace is normalised far too readily

[pulsar depot]

watch it and figure it out.

[shell sentinel]

it is also very much one of those things that goes against societal norms of "men can't be sexually harassed"

[pulsar depot]

obviously its damage control

[cinder gate]

Nobody deserves that treatment

[severe crown]

That's fucked up. Sorry you went through that

[cinder gate]

That's another real big thing that happens

[pulsar depot]

channels never WANT to post these things

they HAVE to,

[cinder gate]

There's the whole doubt of "even if this was sexual harassment, would I be taken seriously if I complained?"

[severe crown]

The video was actually very good

Imo

[cinder gate]

which, let's be very clear, also exists in a huge way for people who aren't men

and for different reasons

It's all a travesty to me

[frigid tusk]

the allegations are crazy, at least the video was actually good

[hardy abyss]

Also people afraid of risking their jobs. Not everyone wants to deal with that.

[ruby cave]

Aight I'll check it

[brazen moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=VpzOntED7Hg

[cinder gate]

I have to tell you, this video is throwing up a lot of red flags

Ok yep it's completely unfounded

[brazen moth]

oh i actually found out about the news from different guy but the vid seems to be missing

this one is one i could find asap\

lemme search it up again

[cinder gate]

So the thing is that racism is real. We can all agree on that. We can also all agree that past racism impacts people today, even if they are not actively suffering to the same degree that their ancestors did

[brazen moth]

the video i watch have their own employee, a geek squad comes out

and testify on video

[cinder gate]

What programs like the one mentioned in this video do, is that they try to reverse that

[brazen moth]

even record his manager

[pulsar depot]

this is ltt discussion sir

[tawdry peak]

[pulsar depot]

we understand racism exists around the world

[true gyro]

so this is like a quota program? what's wrong with that

[cinder gate]

They offer programs specifically for people who are disadvantaged, and that's a good thing

[brazen moth]

yeah imma pause that, was mentionin sloth about BB drama

[brazen moth]

nah if youre white, you dont get promoted, or consider for anything

[cinder gate]

That's not what this program is saying

[elfin nacelle]

What

[true gyro]

what

[severe crown]

Lets talk about 17th century colonist history to stay on topic

[glad meadow]

I mean, I understand the concern around it.

[cinder gate]

This is a training program for disadvantaged people that exists to give them a leg up, and put them on the same level as people who are not disavantaged due to their race

[brazen moth]

stay on LTT topic but u can look up geeks+gamers clip, they talk about it too

thats management position to only non white employee but ill stop there

[cinder gate]

You are falling down a rabbit hole of right wing youtube and I wish you good luck with climbing out of it

[true gyro]

you're misunderstanding how this works,,

[glad meadow]

The kicker is that, on the surface, it looks fucking terrible.

Without understanding that it's lifting people up to match, not bringing people down.

[cinder gate]

Oh yeah it makes sense that people would look at it and see it as problematic

[shell sentinel]

FWIW this happens at other companies also

[true gyro]

sooner or later you'll return with an american flag banner and bio and say the dreaded words
"Hi"
"I have a rtx 2060"

[shell sentinel]

I know Target has a similar manager program targeting minorities

[glad meadow]

I mean, I work at a company with a very aggressive DEI program.

[brazen moth]

I rmemeber now, its James O'keefe from OMG about best buy discrimnation, thats the video i couldnt find on youtube,

[pulsar depot]

again, this is ltt discussion

[elfin nacelle]

I work for the government...

[pulsar depot]

not geek squad discussion

[elfin nacelle]

Everything is dei

[cinder gate]

"Hi, I need to buy a new subwoofer for my pickup truck"

[brazen moth]

ok imma stop it here BUT just to clarify , this was the original video i watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsJhbiu4gik

donezo

im out

[glad meadow]

@pulsar depot I think this is not a bad tangent to explore, remember this thread is meant to contain the garbage - it's not going to be worse off for containing more garbage.

[cinder gate]

I take this as a personal challenge and will do everything within my power to prove you wrong

Out of spite

[brazen moth]

[pulsar depot]

we are now in a rabbit hole of anti white racism, i think we can avoid that if you ask me. But, your call.

[elfin nacelle]

Oh yes, this guy totally looks reputable

[pulsar depot]

or whatever we want to refer to that as

[glad meadow]

It's a good topic to explore IMO, and it might prove educational to the people who are worried about it.

And if there's any thread to contain the discussion, might as well be this one.

[pulsar depot]

fair enough.

[glad meadow]

But yeah, looking at a company policy with zero context, at face value, is terrifying. Every DEI program on the planet will tell you that you don't get benefits if you're a white/asian male.

[final cipher]

@brazen moth

When you have a class of people that, through various mechanisms, has advantages in life that translates to them holding disproportionate status, the top jobs, the best opportunity, the best QOL, etc, sometimes companies or governments look to proactively address that.

Creating programs that attempt to counteract the systemic advantages of certain classes is an attempt to normalize opportunities, not privilege one class.

[cinder gate]

rocket, english isn't their first language

they won't understand a word of that

I mean no offence to you @brazen moth

[brazen moth]

im trying to read that 3 times,

ill get it at some point

[pulsar depot]

i just dont think it applies, but thats my take.

[final cipher]

Sorry, ig

[cinder gate]

There's difficult words in there. It's fine if you don't understand it

[brazen moth]

so your effort is amount to nothing when it long run working hard to get promoted cuz in the end they only consider your skin color ? @final cipher

[glad meadow]

The current understanding is that management and executive leadership teams are overrepresented by that group of people, so the idea is to help competent people not in that group to find ways into that line of work.

[brazen moth]

and asking that as non white, but as a south east asian

[cinder gate]

That's not what the program is doing

[final cipher]

@brazen moth I'll try to make it more plain.

When you have a class of people that has better opportunities, creating opportunities for other people is an attempt to level the playing field, not an attempt to discriminate.

[severe crown]

Not sure what your point is

[final cipher]

Nobody ever said you can't succeed as a white person, the point is that you have specific advantages that some programs try to normalize out.

[severe crown]

Canada racial demographics are different from the us

[true gyro]

apabila anda mempunyai kelas orang yang, melalui pelbagai mekanisme, mempunyai kelebihan dalam kehidupan yang diterjemahkan kepada mereka memegang status yang tidak seimbang, pekerjaan teratas, peluang terbaik, QOL terbaik, dll, kadangkala syarikat atau kerajaan ingin menanganinya secara proaktif.

mencipta program yang cuba mengatasi kelebihan sistemik kelas tertentu adalah percubaan untuk menormalkan peluang, bukan keistimewaan satu kelas.

[brazen moth]

but why factor it with skin color or race? its weird af, here we got rich asian, mid income asian, poor asian, its understandable if the oppoturnity is open to all,

like who deserve it not base on their effort but skin color

[pulsar depot]

im just not going to dig that hole further. My point was i dont know how we got to the topic of white/asian people cant get promoted talking about LTT, thats all.

[final cipher]

If a big organization looks at their management and sees only old white dudes that went to ivy+, they may see that as unfair.

[severe crown]

Tbh idk where this thread is anymore either

[glad meadow]

Now, as a white male, this does technically limit me in that I'm now competing with other competent people in my area of work for leadership where they weren't considered before. There's only 1 of my position and now instead of pulling from a pool of white/asian males they're pulling from everywhere - with the stipulation that those otherwise other competent people who aren't white/asian males have been previously discrimated against for those positions for a variety of reasons and efforts (including uplift programs) exist to level the playing field.

[robust igloo]

me neither. I'm still watching the LTT video

[brazen moth]

and i assure u, malaysia is like a bootleg diversity version of US, from malay, china, and hindus, now we actually have everyone, down to african american, african african, chinese china, indian hindu and etc

this sort of policy usually get calls out over here

[true gyro]

people come in with hot takes and incorrect/politicised information, and then others want to have the last word, that's just how it works here

[winter kiln]

next wan show will be interesting

[final cipher]

Okay, so there's different issues in that country. That's not surprising.

[cinder gate]

Let's say there's a 50/50 split of black and white people working at a store. When you look at the promotion numbers it might actually turn out that 80% of managers are white. If it was a fair system you would expect 50% of managers to be white. So the business has a look at this and says "We should do something to correct that, because black people deserve to be managers just as much as white people, except they don't seem to be making it.

The business then creates a program designed to give people a much better chance of becoming a manager by training them in necessary skills that they might not be able to get anywhere else. In order to get the desired 50/50 manager split that would actually be present in a system that doesn't care about race at all, this program is tailored and provided specifically to black people. Because if it's given to white people too, you'll just end up with the same 80/20 split. @brazen moth

[robust igloo]

And about the video, it was good..... right up until Linus's part.

[elfin nacelle]

That list would be much longer for metro areas in the US.

[brazen moth]

like if im a best buy worker, how would I feel if i found out that theres no chance for me to get promoted this time just because of my skin color, and my fellow worker gets it instead when I know i worked hard, if not better, just as good as my co worker

[cinder gate]

But that's not what this is

[brazen moth]

agreed

[cinder gate]

It's a training program

[final cipher]

In the US/Canada, for centuries, you could only obtain certain positions through being a certain race, gender, and class. @brazen moth

[true gyro]

india faces similar issues, diversity, and economic disparity, and the quota programs for classes/castes e.g SEBC, etc. can be likened to what the video was referring to

[glad meadow]

Not that there's no chance, only that other people are being helped to have the same chance as you.

[brazen moth]

I see

[hardy abyss]

Bad time for jokes in that apology video

[final cipher]

You keep talking past my point.

[elfin nacelle]

When you get your talking points from right wing YouTube

It misses the point

[brazen moth]

do be mind, i dont get the ivy+ part and few others, and not expected to, cuz idk what it means since im not from US

[pulsar depot]

i had about the same feeling - his segment was more deflecting than the rest by a seemingly large amount

[robust igloo]

right wing YT is fucking cancerous

[final cipher]

The top 11 colleges in the USA

[glad meadow]

If you don't get hired at that point, it's because the people who got uplifted to match your qualifications ended up being a better fit for the position.

[elfin nacelle]

They've literally been linking shit from em..

[brazen moth]

Like cambridge and havard?

[elfin nacelle]

Cambridge is in the UK

But yes

[robust igloo]

he still auctioned off the Billet Labs prototype weeks after agreeing to return it, and he didn't even mention that

[warm herald]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like you're implying your company doesn't consider applicants for upper management if they weren't white or Asian (south asian? East Asian? SEA? Middle Eastern)
Which seems like a very specific and convoluted hiring practice

[brazen moth]

i mean as a big deal type of uni

[pulsar depot]

this part im actually not too surprised about- it was addressed by colton

[robust igloo]

He likely just buried an entire company.

[brazen moth]

they did promised weeks worth of content paused and reorganizing

[severe crown]

No?

Watch the videos please

And read billet's statements

[cinder gate]

That's Linus for you

gotta be at least a little whiny

[robust igloo]

i lilterally woke up 30 minutes ago,

[glad meadow]

An example I'm using for the sake of argument.

[robust igloo]

give me some time to get caught up

[severe crown]

Ok but id recommend not trying to discuss to much until you do

[brazen moth]

do they usually do that? auction / sell the part they given by their sponsor instead keeping it/ returning it?

[robust igloo]

[severe crown]

Otherwise you'll be called out on it again

[elfin nacelle]

I feel like you haven't read or watched anything about this whole thing

[true gyro]

no, it was a mistake

[severe crown]

[ember depot]

so what do we think of LTT stating the price of the block (that billet wanted to be private) in the video

[pulsar depot]

they have an employee store for products they were not told they have to return

[final cipher]

@brazen moth if you were best buy, and saw all your top paid employees were ALL white, a program to train non white employees to be Management-level qualified seems like a good idea. If you then come back in 10 years and find that ALL your management is now non-white, that's also an issue. Equity in hiring is a constant project. In the US, Asians and white people are generally advantaged.

[pulsar depot]

selling items they were sponsored with is nothing new

[warm herald]

I think it's a bad example if it's an inaccurate and libelous one

[true gyro]

not even sure if it's accidental
i'm leaning toward it being accidental

[glad meadow]

any example I'd use here is bad, that's the point.

[true gyro]

but like that's such a simple thing to miss

[pulsar depot]

however, i cant say that they routinely auction off items that they were meant to return

[brazen moth]

i see

[brazen moth]

oldgrama got me fam, i might not written that question properly

[elfin nacelle]

But it's hard to hold a conversation when you're taking things out of context

[ember depot]

the irony of making a mistake in a video promising tighter quality control

[brazen moth]

i remember reading one of the comment about how rival company could had possibly bought it off and ruined them potentially due to that

[severe crown]

Where did they do that? I can't find it

[elfin nacelle]

And billet responded saying it was sold to a private party and the chances of that was slim

[brazen moth]

wdym, its a genuine question asking do they usually auction off stuff they got from sponsor video? Im wondering about that, is that the norm and etc, i didnt realize it was out of context

[tawdry peak]

13:17

[glad meadow]

You can't discuss inequality in the workplace without using examples that obviously single out groups of people.

It's not any better than just using whites as the example, despite how acclimatized the world has become to doing so.

[true gyro]

tis the LTT thing to do
jokes, sponsors, mistakes galore. atleast the video was somewhat entertaining to watch. i just hope their focus isn't so much on cleaning their image, but actually addressing more serious issues, like harassment within the workplace.
100-something employees is no small number, but it's far from some vast corporation

[glad meadow]

If me using an example about inequality makes you uncomfortable, that's the proper feelings to have about it.

[brazen moth]

im wondering this too, why does the amount get censored? did they sold it too expensive? or too cheap? its a 3090ti block

[severe crown]

Oh it has been censored since

[tawdry peak]

Good.

[severe crown]

It's blurred on my video

[ember depot]

because Billet requested it be censored

[brazen moth]

i see

[tawdry peak]

Billet initially did not want it to be public

[true gyro]

you're not understanding.
billet labs did not want the public to know the price of their block. (for several obvious reasons, such as competition finding out)
LTT "accidentally" revealed this cost

[warm herald]

I'm not saying it's bad as in "this is a bad practice". I'm saying it's a bad example in that it's made up

[ember depot]

they still don't want it public

[severe crown]

Pretty sure they've clarified the number was a vague estimate anyway

[glad meadow]

I'll apologize if I made you feel that way, or if you felt I was explicitly targeted someone.

[severe crown]

I think people are making it a way bigger deal than it is

[brazen moth]

yeah sad they only get the 3090ti back

[ember depot]

How so?

[tawdry peak]

You are referring to which part

[warm herald]

I don't agree that your company is employing racist hiring practices that favor solely white people and the continent of Asia. I think racial demographics of your company can be explained in other ways

[brazen moth]

yes 2 ppl before u already given me the answer billet doesnt want it known

[severe crown]

The cost of the block is obviously not representative of market value because it's a development sample which would have much higher production and research costs and such

[glad meadow]

And I never said they were.

[warm herald]

Building off of this. I then also don't think racist hiring practices that favor other races are acceptable

[brazen moth]

sometimes i tend to miss this part , thats why i always love when a video comes with caption, i can try to listen and read, and hope gets not too much wrong

[warm herald]

@glad meadow in your example you implied the hiring pool was not previously open to people who weren't white or Asian

[winter kiln]

now that i have time i did actually read it all, happy?

but nah fr this is fucked up

[ember depot]

i think LTT is beyond saving if more things hit

this is Artisan builds level

[severe crown]

Nah

People will forget

[winter kiln]

complete ignorance + sexual harassment and being treated like shit

[warm herald]

As I said though, maybe I was misunderstanding

[glad meadow]

I'd love to chat more about this, but I'm due for my 1pm meeting at work :/

[warm herald]

Same yo

[warm herald]

Backlog refinement time

[severe crown]

The sexual harassment case is big but we don't know how that will play out yet

[winter kiln]

oh finally

what a shitshow for terren to step into

[severe crown]

I think they handled most of GN's concerns reasonably well, if they stick to their promises

[shell sentinel]

some friends in another server have some great memes

[brazen moth]

people already forget scandal with bigger magnitude than this like the blizz company, bobby returned too and can openly deny all claim, money talks and ppl move on sadly

[winter kiln]

TRUE

[severe crown]

Yeah i mean people still play blizzard games

[brazen moth]

i hope the female worker droven to death by blizz company at least get the reimbursement they deserve enough to move on

[shell sentinel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15sc1jk/luke_confronting_linus/

[severe crown]

I asked my coworker about the ltt thing, he called gn steve autistic and said it was fine

[shell sentinel]

people are fucking SAVAGES

[robust igloo]

the group of people who don't care for drama, and just want their products/services.

[severe crown]

XD

[brazen moth]

nah , game not so much, dev not so much, its the specific ppl that the reason the whole drama start

[robust igloo]

or fanboys.

[brazen moth]

some of them bit F-ed up, idolizing cosby and etc

[severe crown]

So basically most people in this server except for those in this chat

[winter kiln]

we had an overworked team pumping out videos, it all ran like clockwork

[shell sentinel]

@winter kiln the best part is all of these came from other mods in the MATLAB server

[robust igloo]

most people in general.

[winter kiln]

lmaooo all the memes

[stable yew]

holy fuck I just woke up LTT is FUCKED

[shell sentinel]

we have a private channel we fuck around it

[winter kiln]

kkekkkk

[severe crown]

There's is no such thing as bad press

[brazen moth]

where is all the people that adamant against Blizzard until OW2 got release (or as crappy overglorified OW1 QOL update it is) and when Diablo 4 comes out

nowhere to be seen any more

too big to fail

[severe crown]

Is a saying for a reason

[robust igloo]

ooohhh I'd argue that 😄 @severe crown

[severe crown]

Well sure to an extent

I would go as far as saying that LTT will make profit off the overall situation

Unless this majorly impacts sponsors

[brazen moth]

they already are no? like dont they / Linus mentioned several time that how many people/companies lining up begging them to make a video about their items several time in few videos already

[winter kiln]

oh they are actually pausing videos

[robust igloo]

considering they've made a commitment to stoping video for a week, that's a lot of profit not fbeing made

[glad meadow]

Sprint planning here

[shell sentinel]

LTT sounds like they are waterfall

[robust igloo]

and this will most definitely impact sponsors, not sure how, but there is bound to be one or two going "nah bro, you're fucked, im out."

[glad meadow]

Can video development lifecycles be anything but?

I dunno.

[shell sentinel]

I mean, in one of the videos they specifically called out they dont have time for retrospecives

if they did, they definitely could not be strictly waterfall

RCA/CM inbound

[brazen moth]

big yikes

[elfin nacelle]

What's yikes about that

Exactly

[brazen moth]

idk, i feels its a big yikes cuz isnt that a red flag as it is, when u cant mentioned why she depart cuz she is , might be right

[hallow elbow]

the company actively decided to omit it because they thought it'd make them look bad

[elfin nacelle]

What

They did what she asked

[elfin nacelle]

What.

[brazen moth]

well didnt she said they can if they mentioned why she quit?

[elfin nacelle]

No, she said they could announce it if they said she quit

Not "why"

They chose not to, which is what she asked for

[shell sentinel]

annoucing an employee quit is weird anyways

no company would announce that

[brazen moth]

i know how this feels, nowadays you see tons of social media jobs , just few months ago big company looking these type of people to manage this area department,

[stiff vortex]

@undone raven

[elfin nacelle]

I mean, it's common for social media/pr stuff

[pulsar depot]

it depends really

[elfin nacelle]

Like, people in store roles

[pulsar depot]

anyone public facing its not rare

[hallow elbow]

it's more common for lmg

[winter kiln]

okay so this month employee 377, 4303, and 3090 has quit their job. see you next month!

[severe crown]

Social media jobs have been a serious thing for many years, especially LMG should take it seriously

[hallow elbow]

taran and brandon's departures were both pretty publicized especially compared to madison's

[pulsar depot]

obviously a company isnt going to announce if some no faced IT person gets canned or quits

[shell sentinel]

but saying someone "quit" vs "left the company"

[brazen moth]

weird but they do these few times already, i might recall they announce some worker departed and move on from their position, also follow up with new one being recruit

[shell sentinel]

big difference

[pulsar depot]

not really

[elfin nacelle]

I don't see a massive issue with this, but that's me being employed in the US in a salaried position

[shell sentinel]

it sounds like she specifically wanted them to say she quit

[pulsar depot]

tomato tomato

[knotty reef]

[elfin nacelle]

The "job" doesn't have hours

[shell sentinel]

no, that was literally the reason they didnt say

based off her comment

[severe crown]

I would say it's only okay if There's a proper agreement on it with compensation

[elfin nacelle]

I'm definitely not a "separate life from work" star, but that's literally what a salaried position is

[pulsar depot]

im moreso referring to the fact that if someone tells me they 'left the company' im going to assume they quit.

[severe crown]

Similar shit to being on call

[elfin nacelle]

On call is hourly, or in your contract..

[brazen moth]

yeah , im from malaysia, some of these old coot in our country have this exact mindset on how these stuff , like they still surprise you can actually make money by playing games after years of telling younger people theyre wasting their life away on garbage

i relate it same as social media, they were look down back then, only recent years they have a boom of demands and actual position for it, instead minor ad hoc job associate with different job

[elfin nacelle]

0-o

[shell sentinel]

thinking you are actually gonna make money on games is like thinking you will be a pro athlete

[elfin nacelle]

They're not talking about literal games

[shell sentinel]

the post I responded to explictly was?

[elfin nacelle]

I don't believe so...

[hallow elbow]

the window to make money on games has mostly passed, the only way to anymore is to be funny on camera in proximity to video games

[elfin nacelle]

"by playing games" is usually just a saying

[hallow elbow]

you won't make shit developing them and you won't make shit just playing

[jade vale]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[shell sentinel]

no I think they meant literally streaming videogames

[brazen moth]

weird as it is, we still have minor jobs on that, local team , local esport, competitively, thats how Cyber Cafe/Computer cafe (like how you see in Korea for starcraft) still going around and making business, where as in US they slowly getting culled cuz not making any profit

[elfin nacelle]

They said "old coot"

[winter kiln]

i wonder if linus malding publically was how he was gonna handle it

and that the latest video is how terren decided it was gonna be done

[shell sentinel]

so if you still need another job then it is not really "making you money"

[brazen moth]

this aswell, some of them still cant believe you can make money by streaming and sit infront of computer talking all day/make content can be a career

[shell sentinel]

because most people cant

[jolly raptor]

ig that's y u have Terren on the team

[brazen moth]

true, but i mean on general, the old people kind of thinking

[severe crown]

Streaming is the most oversaturated market

[shell sentinel]

again, it is like becoming a pro athlete

[winter kiln]

yeah lol cuz he is actually experienced with management lmfao

[severe crown]

Streaming is like wanting to be an actor

[shell sentinel]

the only reliable way to make money streaming is being a cute girl

[brazen moth]

again i was being general about the backward thinking relating the social media as a job, like they need to accept the fact some of the old norms doesnt really apply anymore on modern days

[jade vale]

I don’t discriminate

[jolly raptor]

The video was pretty good tbf but they are going to have to earn ppl's trust back

[jolly raptor]

uwu

but not rly

vtubers get wayyy more views than actual girls

[winter kiln]

their reputation is broken and the video is what a company is expected to do to not make it worse

[elfin nacelle]

"how to be a cute girl"

[brazen moth]

like standard Graphic Designer internship allowance here should be at least $250 a month here for a bachelor degree, but when you look up some of them posting ads with minimum of $60 - 100 you can instictively know what kind of company they running

[robust igloo]

I mean, no? It helps, for sure, but im sure that's not the only way nowadays....

[jade vale]

That just sounds… sad

[shell sentinel]

I said reliable

otherwise it is 50% luck

[jolly raptor]

it totally is but opening up about their processes and implementing systems that incorporate viewer feedback are good steps to do. it doesnt change the fact that Linus is Linus and he has a hot temper

[shell sentinel]

IMO

[elfin nacelle]

Like... I get what you're saying, but like, it's not some crazy thing

[robust igloo]

not wrong about that.

[winter kiln]

yeh tru

[robust igloo]

just need one big name to notice you, give you a good word. Does more than any amount of editing/looking good on camera

[brazen moth]

yep, its not, just pointing that one was troubling here for quite awhile

[elfin nacelle]

There's nothing wrong with posting a job ad that's under market value

Like, who cares

[tribal magnet]

The damage in reputation is going to hurt merchandise which they seem to depend on now.. people will be wary about showing off their LTT merch because people might call them out on it

[brazen moth]

so i get her when she said "Imagine telling someone in 2021 social media "isn't a real job"

[shell sentinel]

sure, personally I think the streamer/YTer trend might die down over time, but maybe that is just me being an out of touch boomer

[severe crown]

Being a female content creator isn't that much easier, it's still an oversaturated market and its still just as hard to make good content

[brazen moth]

mayhaps we get a new version of sad linus staring to camera 2023 version

[winter kiln]

i wonder how much of the latest vid is empty promises

[shell sentinel]

Personally I just dont think streamers provde a ton of value to society as a whole

like sure it is entertainment

[robust igloo]

.... youre right about one thing, boomer .
I don't think it's going to die down, it's only going to blow up more and more.

[shell sentinel]

but I would much rather play a game myself than watch someone else play one

[robust igloo]

it's still blowing up

[shell sentinel]

[jolly raptor]

my problem with streamers is that their audience (for a significant part of it) is a specific demographic, so they cater to that demographic. i try to watch a lot of queer streamers but they end up catering to the simps in the audience. i mean like do what u need to do to get that money, but it's annoying to watch as an audience

[jade vale]

The trick is to not have any expectations so that you don’t get disappointed

[brazen moth]

I like how enthusatic the new CEO trying to do the sponsor segway over and over feeling like its a long time coming after holding back

[hallow elbow]

not to mention it comes with an inherent kind of disrespect right off the bat because boys' club mentality still reigns pretty heavily in a lot of "geeky" interests

making it even harder to grow

[robust igloo]

that's up to the streamer to be catering, and it's their stream. don't like it, don't watch it. there only..... a lot of other streamers

[severe crown]

Being a female content creator also comes with large amounts of harrassment

[jolly raptor]

im not blaming the streamer, get that money, if ppl are paying for it, then y not chase it

[winter kiln]

exactly lol

[brazen moth]

I just hope Billet can move on after the revelation, kinda sad people think their product is crap after being tested wrongly in the first place

[robust igloo]

but they end up catering to the simps in the audience.

[severe crown]

Tbf billet has gotten so much publicity out of this

Can't be that bad

[jolly raptor]

it is what it is, i would as well if i were them

[severe crown]

People will pity buy

[elfin nacelle]

Yes let me pity by a $900 water block

For my $5,600X nonetheless

[brazen moth]

Is it $900?

[jolly raptor]

but that is most of the audience and it encourages ppl to only cater to that market. ig im lamenting the boy's club that is twitch

[severe crown]

Some of the guys in ba would

[brazen moth]

that much for a 3090ti block?

[robust igloo]

if it's money you want, you do what you gotta do.

[severe crown]

For their son

[elfin nacelle]

That's what the retail listing says on their website

Not sure if you can actually buy it

[jolly raptor]

for sure, we all gotta eat (again not blaming the streamer for trying to live)

[brazen moth]

that cost as much as a used 3090 here, dang

[elfin nacelle]

Can we move this thread over to how the paint on my LTT water bottle faded over about 2 years

Give me a new bottle LTT

[jolly raptor]

oof

[severe crown]

😱

[brazen moth]

i mean how Jay broke their screwdriver after droping once

[glad meadow]

Time to quote the "trust me bro" warranty

[robust igloo]

demand a refund

[brazen moth]

i like how he spin the screwdriver like a loaded gun tho

[cosmic wave]

ltt's floatplane subs dropping

[glad meadow]

As an aside the screwdriver is amazing

[elfin nacelle]

They did give me a new cap after I broke the first one

[severe crown]

Clearly you didn't test it properly

[cosmic wave]

yt's also taken a pretty big hit

[glad meadow]

Oh that's good

[elfin nacelle]

The little handle broke and I was mad

[brazen moth]

Im still in disbelief how it got broken by dropping once on hard floor, hope they fix the durability at least after all that time

[robust igloo]

i have zero complaints about it. works as well as Snap-on's ratcheting screwdriver at half the price.

[elfin nacelle]

I told myself after that I shouldn't use the little handle to torque the lid closed

[robust igloo]

might not be as strong, but for building computers and doing other mild work with it, it's fucking phenominal value

[shell sentinel]

OK but like, bad graphs make this look bigger than it is

[tawdry peak]

I might get a Kraftform

[elfin nacelle]

I'm either getting a megapro or wera ratcheting screwdriver soon

[cosmic wave]

5% of paying subs, in 12 hours, is pretty significant..

[shell sentinel]

that chary makes it look like way more than 5% though

[brazen moth]

I know ill never get any of their merchandise, mostly due to out of reach, and also overpriced

[shell sentinel]

because of the axes

which was my point

[cosmic wave]

yeah fair, it is quite weird to have the graph start at 37200

[tawdry peak]

allegedly they had ~42k before the thing blew up

so they more like lost more than 10%

[stable yew]

why does every YouTuber I ever like get hit with crazy bad scandals

[shell sentinel]

@cosmic wave which looks bigger here

[robust igloo]

pulling an intel move: showing the info in a bad light

[shell sentinel]

because it is the same data

[jolly raptor]

yt'ers r ppl, for better or worse

[stable yew]

I'm just done buying YouTuber merch now. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me

[shell sentinel]

you like my plots? lol

[robust igloo]

it looks bad, but then there's the tiny dip it actually is

[robust igloo]

thanks for rationalizing that data 😄

[shell sentinel]

the key bit is right here

[haughty grotto]

whats happened bro

[robust igloo]

starting at 0

[glad meadow]

Now draw the line where the service is profitable 🙃

[frigid tusk]

https://floatplane.wtf/

it was at 43K before gn uploaded the first video

[robust igloo]

yeah, I don't have that info....

you draw it

[frigid tusk]

they lost 7k subs, which is so much money 💀💀

[glad meadow]

A "tiny dip" is painful to a bottom line when a service is on the edge of profitability to begin with

[shell sentinel]

source that they were at 43k before?

that site you linked literally says they dont have data

[haughty grotto]

so from what i understand they have given false data about companies products?

[shell sentinel]

IDK, feels like Linus has enough money to fuck around with that it is definitely not right on the edge

[pulsar depot]

that is literally the smallest of their issues but yes

[haughty grotto]

what are the big issues i dont know where to find this information

[pulsar depot]

pins.

[haughty grotto]

ok thanks

[cosmic wave]

linus should've just took the 100 mill and retired tbh

[stable yew]

bet he wishes he did now

[tribal magnet]

I bet it was amazon who wanted to buy it... they tend to go for reviewers

[severe crown]

Unpopular take; they will be fine and mostly back to normal(but hopefully better) within a couple weeks

[glad meadow]

I'm holding float plane in its own bubble at this point - the sentiment around "the parent company has money to burn so who cares" doesn't address the rampant issues around video content on the internet as a whole.

[severe crown]

Tho largely depends on the madison situation

[pulsar depot]

i dont think we can expect to see anything regarding this one

[frigid tusk]

ltt discord is on fire again lmao

[brazen moth]

still feeling sad only selected comments get mentioned by their show and being cherry picked by a third guy behind camera

[severe crown]

True

[glad meadow]

Suop's statements will be handled off camera.

[brazen moth]

I was like, notice me Linus senpai

[robust igloo]

I think they're just adding fuel to the embers at this point.

[glad meadow]

The dumpster fire hasn't stopped being on fire my dude

[robust igloo]

That's more like it.
I need more coffee.

[brazen moth]

hows their community? si mping them, against them or trying to play off as neutral?

[pulsar depot]

the LTT community has been pretty beefed about it

theres not many defending it

[frigid tusk]

a lot of fp subs are defending

[glad meadow]

Lots of shit slinging mixed with a few diehard fans protecting them

[frigid tusk]

most agree with gn tho

[pulsar depot]

its harder for those who have used LTT as their sole source for years to now finally come out and say that their source (and as such, the info theyve given) are malinformed/misrepresented

[frigid tusk]

ltt lost like 5-6K fp subs lmao

[pulsar depot]

its a lot easier for people who are a 3rd party who dont really care where they get their info from as long as its accurate.

[shell sentinel]

honestly this brings to like the issue of feeling like you are "connected" to a streamer

who literally has no idea who you are

why are you defending someone you have never actually had a conversation with

[honest yacht]

But Papa Linus

[formal garnet]

uh, LTT channel?

[elfin nacelle]

Fp has always been a back up

[hardy abyss]

15 mil to go

[formal garnet]

I don't see any information about channel name anywhere

[elfin nacelle]

They're talking about float plane subs

Not yt

[formal garnet]

Ohhhh

I see

[hardy abyss]

oh, well 37k to go

[tribal magnet]

paying subs

[formal garnet]

I'm kinda glad JayzTwoCents is keep doing what he's doing

Unless he'll talk about it later

[hardy abyss]

he's def gonna make a video about it

he's not the one to avoid drama like this

[formal garnet]

[tribal magnet]

if he didnt make that noise at the end of his vids i would watch him more lol

[formal garnet]

Perhaps you are right beemoo

[hardy abyss]

he'll give his 2 cents bout the situation

[elfin nacelle]

He doesn't want a video about his content

[frigid tusk]

floatplane ltt not yt

[formal garnet]

yeah I figured that later

👍

[severe crown]

Nah bro the ltt discord is too stupid

What am I reading

[formal garnet]

Oh?

[hardy abyss]

is it a dumpster fire over at the ltt disord?

[severe crown]

"what's illegal about being toxic"

💀

[formal garnet]

lol

[severe crown]

"I won't believe it until i see evidence"

The hood classic

[formal garnet]

I don't feel like wasting my 20minutes on this...

Gonna play League of Legends instead

[brazen moth]

skip to hear the part where they mention , requote linus bad takes/words and agree its bad

[formal garnet]

I'm too lazy tbh

[severe crown]

Surely LTT would purposely not censor the cost of the water block knowing it was against Billet's wishes, just for (insert evil incentive)

[cinder gate]

they really can respond to feedback in an appropriate and timely matter

[jolly raptor]

they had monetization on the video??????

[shell sentinel]

hot take, who cares if they have monetization on?

it doesnt impact you watching it and they didnt even have a sponsor

[left gust]

It's usually considered pretty scummy to monetize an apology if you're serious about it. Even if we all know we're all trying to get our bag.

[shell sentinel]

only cause people get butthurt too easily

IMO

[left gust]

I strongly disagree. There's a time and place to monetize a video.

[jolly raptor]

that matters though, as all of this is PR. especially if GN demonetized their video, it's not a good look

[shell sentinel]

because people are dumb, literally the only one that benefits from disabling monitization is Youtube.

[jolly raptor]

im mean for most ppl, monetizing an apology video takes away some of the sincerity of the msg they are getting across, but to each their own

[shell sentinel]

refer to my prior comment about people getting butthurt too easily

[jolly raptor]

[severe crown]

Monetizing it would emphasize profiting off the drama and bad press

Which usually is a bad look and avoided

[tribal magnet]

youtube dont benefit from demonitization

they need the adverts too

[shell sentinel]

no, it is just telling YT they dont need to pay you for that video

[tribal magnet]

Youtube dont get paid anything to pay for that video

[shell sentinel]

AFAIK they can still run their own ads on it, nothing is stopping them

[lament condor]

They've removed monetisation on it

[tribal magnet]

I cant say for sure because i adblock :D

[tawdry peak]

They really didnt think through any of this. Or worse, willingly left the monetization up for that video.

[leaden bison]

and youre talking about waste of time lmao

[elfin nacelle]

It's an apology video, really

[jolly raptor]

the point is that they did had (apparently) monetized it when it came off, the demonetized it when ppl were like "wtf?"

[severe crown]

It probably wasn't well considered since it'd usually be the default

[lament condor]

Took them almost 12 hours to fix that yeah

[elfin nacelle]

Why do people think it's a war crime forget to turn monetization off

[tribal magnet]

so they had the 12 most valuable hours monetized

[elfin nacelle]

It wasn't 12 hours

Not even close

[lament condor]

Yeah and they fixed it after they fixed not bluring the amount

[formal garnet]

social media, internet era, this new generation etc etc.

[severe crown]

Cuz all mistakes are on purpose

[formal garnet]

people are just so used to grabbing the pitcforks quickly

[severe crown]

How dare they use being human as an excuse

[lament condor]

It was still monetised when I checked it a couple of hours ago

[severe crown]

In their position I would never make such a mistake and I would only take the most ethical actions

[shell sentinel]

but why do you care

[elfin nacelle]

Released it like 5:00 a.m. It's not even two here

[severe crown]

[shell sentinel]

why is it so bad that it is monitized.

it doesnt have any negative impact on you.

or anyone viewing the video

[lament condor]

You have to see ads...

[honest yacht]

If they de-monetized it, but I still watched it with my premium account, do they still make money?

[lament condor]

so that's an impact that's negative

[shell sentinel]

that is unrelated to monitization SMH

[severe crown]

Surely they havent been working around the clock in probably extremely stressful and emotional states which would make mistakes more probable

[shell sentinel]

they show ads on unmonitized videos

the creators just dont get paid

[formal garnet]

monetization is not the point tbh, what's important is what they've "done"

[lament condor]

I wasn't aware sorry

[leaden bison]

you click on the video and say, "oh i need to know if its monetized or not if it is im not watching it"

[tribal magnet]

To be honest Linus knows that the best way to protest LTT is to hit them where it hurts.. their income, so thats why people do what they do cancelling subs so to turn the drama into revenue is guaranteed to annoy people

[honest yacht]

I would assume every videos is monetized @leaden bison

[leaden bison]

i do too

unless the creator says its demonitized

[lament condor]

They uploaded the video at 3 AM local time

[jolly raptor]

if it was a mistake and they meant to not monetize it from the get go (im not saying that was or not), then they should rly update their processes because it should of been caught

[winter kiln]

whats wrong about it being monetized

[lament condor]

but they can't keep updating their processes

[winter kiln]

you think they tryna make this drama to get big ad rev on a video? lmfao

[elfin nacelle]

They probably have a pipeline for video releases, and it was likely dropped in the same pipeline

It really doesn't matter

[severe crown]

They should make a video about that

[jolly raptor]

lololol

[severe crown]

It's a cycle

[jolly raptor]

ppl have differing views on this so

[winter kiln]

i would like to see the view against

[jolly raptor]

read above? nothing else needs to be said on this rly

[lament condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15smh8u/ltt_monetized_the_apology_video/

[leaden bison]

it doesnt matter

[lament condor]

Clearly it's a pretty common/popular opinion

[winter kiln]

so where does it start?

[lament condor]

23.5k upvotes

[jolly raptor]

can u not scroll up?

[shell sentinel]

because people like to complain

[severe crown]

1000 measly bucks is like 2 retests by a value employees time!

[lament condor]

therefore criticism invalid?

[winter kiln]

"just scroll" mfs when the chat is, in fact, a continually moving convo which i have not read and i do not intend to read backwards, meanwhile i could just ask someone who already knows

[tribal magnet]

every little helps

[jolly raptor]

i mean the chat has only been talking about this for a lil bit but here ig: #1140777193979523183 message

[winter kiln]

thanks

[winter kiln]

the losses they gain is miniscule in comparison to monetization

ad rev is practically negligble in this situation

it seems it wasnt really considered and was disabled as by linuses statement

[elfin nacelle]

I'll take the bloody money, problem solved

[winter kiln]

easy

just give me the company

[wraith chasm]

Lol I love the update:
Update 1: It's come to my attention that in Billet Labs' Reddit post, they censored the quoted cost of their prototype water block. We were never asked to keep this information private, and given that our sources for the matter were our own correspondence with them rather than Reddit, we didn't know to include the censorship.

At this point, there's probably not much point Streisand Effecting it, but I'll blur it anyway on YouTube and we'll get it blurred on Floatplane as soon as one of our editors is awake -LS

[winter kiln]

i will do nothing wrong and only do ethically and morally correct decisions

[wraith chasm]

Just kicking Billet one last time

[honest yacht]

what

how is that kicking billet

[wraith chasm]

Billet wanted to keep the cost private and they blurted it out

[pulsar depot]

leaking the cost?

[wraith chasm]

Shows they never bothered watching the second GN video lol

[honest yacht]

is it the cost or the settlement amount

[pulsar depot]

both

the cost was the settlement amount

[honest yacht]

ok are they under an agreement not to publish?

[lament condor]

They wouldn't be able to tell you that

That's usually part of the agreement

[pulsar depot]

even if they didnt sign a contract it seems LTT was the only entity involved that didnt understand it wasnt meant to be public, which is literally the root of the issues here - lack of due diligence/.

[honest yacht]

makes me want to believe there's no agreement in place lol

which is very evident by how they are both in this situation

[shell sentinel]

it sounds like there was never a formal one

they originally told LTT they could keep the block!

[honest yacht]

I'm aware lol

[shell sentinel]

then later decided they wanted it back

[winter kiln]

when they totally trashed it

[honest yacht]

[jolly raptor]

i mean i'll defend LTT on certain things as i did yesterday, but they should be more cognizant on how it would come off and not just push it through their pipeline. every small thing will be scrutinized so they should have foresaw it. is it a horrible thing? no. but it comes off as a bit callous. but ppl have differing opinions and that's fair.

[pulsar depot]

they expected followup content, and linus stated he had no intention of doing so

thats why they asked for it back.

[wraith chasm]

Just because Billet said they can keep it and then changed their mind doesn't excuse LTT from the resulting actions dude

[lament condor]

Yeah seems reasonable

[shell sentinel]

it sounded like it was also partly cause of the poor review

[pulsar depot]

im sure it was but that doesnt make it any less of a reasonable request.

[shell sentinel]

never said it did

[lament condor]

The review where they lost the video card that was sent to test it with and complained after testing it with a card it wasn't made for

[shell sentinel]

I was just pointing out, they clearly never had a formal agreement in place

[pulsar depot]

they sent it to someone who failed to showcase it properly and shit on it because of that

[winter kiln]

yeah mistakes happen but the reoccuring theme of them and the incompetence to correct them is the real issue

[pulsar depot]

id want my shit back too if the reviewer i sent it to was incompetent.

[shell sentinel]

yes?

[honest yacht]

The point of this all was that there seems to have never been any formal agreement in place resulting in this breakdown in communication

[shell sentinel]

I am not defending LTT here

just using it to show they clearly never had a strict agreement

[wraith chasm]

this is the one

[left gust]

How are they gonna get compensated? From what I heard they already auctioned off the unit. Who knows what kind of proprietary tech could be reverse engineered off of it.

[pulsar depot]

not everything has to be a legal contract for it to be clear to a reasonable person what the intentions are.

[shell sentinel]

crazy how people just glossed over this was my point

[lament condor]

LTT also doesn't seem to know who it was sold auctioned to

[left gust]

Oh THAT'S even worse!

[shell sentinel]

IDK, I know personally we tag assest when we get them if they are "loaned" or "property of"

if it came in as "property off" and got binned as such, it seems like an easy mistake to make

they should have caught it, yes,

but it makes the whole thing much more realistic

[elfin nacelle]

Personally, that video was a fuck around and find out, it's hardly a "review"

[honest yacht]

If you don't have an agreement or contract, everything is up in the air at that point. Hopefully this is a learning experience for both sides

[jolly raptor]

yeah, how tf wasnt the water block asset tagged or wasnt included in their inventory records

[left gust]

So I think we all agree that for a company like LTT, this is a pretty ameteur mistake to make. Especially if we expected better of them.

[pulsar depot]

it seemed that almost everyone, including LTTs fans, understood it wasnt meant to be public.

[shell sentinel]

my point was they they likely tagged it as they could keep it

because that is literally what they were told

[pulsar depot]

hence why it was called out immediately.

[lament condor]

Yeah they did say as part of the video that they didn't have the correct card etc

[shell sentinel]

it was auctioned to a private party

[elfin nacelle]

Just like their "big fan go brrrr" videos

[left gust]

You think Billet might've lost some serious business thanks to that faulty review?

[pulsar depot]

is this a legal issue? probably not. Is LTT still stupid for doing it? yes

[lament condor]

https://www.dexerto.com/tech/ex-linus-tech-tips-employee-alleges-mistreatment-and-poor-conditions-2251613/ this on the other hand...

[elfin nacelle]

No idea how anyone can call this a review

[lament condor]

Is a legal issue

[elfin nacelle]

at all

[left gust]

You think he's sincere about this?

[elfin nacelle]

this article provides nothing more than what is already available

[winter kiln]

im sure they initially did, but after the drama they were put in a good light which likely has helped them now

[lament condor]

No it's a decent summary though

[wraith chasm]

Hopefully, would be nice if LTT provides the accurate and extensive data they've been talking about for the past two years

[left gust]

Think about how many people buy products based off LTT's word alone. A good chunk of their audience aren't as tech savvy as us.

[winter kiln]

not saying that justifies lmgs actions^

[elfin nacelle]

It's a 900$ waterblock

no one is buying it

[jolly raptor]

the sexual harrassment stuff isnt cool at all (even saying things like calm ur tits, etc is not great).

[pulsar depot]

i mean to be fair this is incorrect

they have a load of preorders.

[wraith chasm]

This never would have blown up if Linus didn't swing his big fat fucking LABS cock about and then fuck up every other video

[pulsar depot]

just because its not the next liquid freezer doesnt mean nobody is buying it

[left gust]

Still doesn't excuse the misrepresentation. The whole, "It's an expensive waterblock, no sane person will buy it" was Linus' logic anyways for a faulty review.

[jolly raptor]

hot take though, i've dealt with way harsher things in my workplace in terms of job expectations (hours, deadlines, etc) and ppls comments on my work

[winter kiln]

or the being asked "how do you like to fuck" and grabbing inappropriately gruh, "should just go on a coffee date with him and ease it out"

[elfin nacelle]

I don't think they said it was a review?

[pulsar depot]

ehhhh

it was

[wraith chasm]

Who do you think was the culprit? I personally couldn't see Linus doing the sexual harrasment stuff, but I can fully envision him being a bit of a knob in a board room

[pulsar depot]

when they showcase a product and give their opinions on it, that is a review

[jolly raptor]

or being in charge of the OnlyFans account when she was not comfortable with it, that shit is quite bad

[winter kiln]

the environment

[winter kiln]

this was a kinda everyones fault except a few

[elfin nacelle]

Let's not

[left gust]

We're they transparent of the idea that "We're just gonna rip on this shitty product for the lulz?"

[elfin nacelle]

this speculation will not help anything

[lament condor]

You're right but they clearly didn't do a great job of reviewing it as it's intended and I doubt many people that would have purchased it would decide not to after watching it

[severe crown]

Which in no way should change how bad it is

[pulsar depot]

i never said it was a good review, i said it was A review

[left gust]

There's a difference between LTT and CinemaSins.

If you know what I mean.

And that comparision isn't that far off. I've seen people completely ignore CinemaSins' sarcasm and think they're legitimate critique.

[elfin nacelle]

is there though

[pulsar depot]

and to be fair - theres really no way of knowing this without having access to the before and after preorder numbers. Thats the kicker with reviewing a prototype.

[left gust]

LTT posts itself as a reliable information hub.

[elfin nacelle]

we shit on LTT here all the time

[pulsar depot]

shocker, massive youtubers bring issues to light and people talk about it

why are you surprised

[cerulean pebble]

I've been saying LTT's content is dogshit for months now.

[lament condor]

I don't think I've seen anyone in this server say anything positive about LTT from the perspective of the quality of their "reviews". Not that I'm reading everything on here

[left gust]

If you're medial literate of course you know CinemaSins is bullshit. But how many so called "movie reviewers" out there take CinemaSins' word as gospel? How many film students think they can pass Film Studies class because they're a CinemaSins fan? That's where it gets SUPER blurry, and I know a lot of film professors are sick of it.

[winter kiln]

you assume i pay attention when watching an ltt video?

[honest yacht]

LTT has, at least for the better part of their existence, been more entertainment than knowledge

[jolly raptor]

hella toxic environment, but maybe im used to the insane work deadlines and long hours by now. for some industries, it's the norm. the sexual harrassment stuff should not be tolerated anywhere and ye i do blame the culture because it seems like all boys club with all the d*** and s** jokes they make on camera

[pulsar depot]

not to mention some of these things werent even mentioned until today

AFTER the bombshell videos dropped

[honest yacht]

CinemaSins is the NY Post of film

[left gust]

Now compare this to how many regular people think of LTT's as a legitimate source of advice for tech parts, especially when they advertise themselves as a trustworthy source. At least CinemaSins has the decency to lay the sarcasm on thick.

[lament condor]

That's the same excuse news companies use as well and I don't think it's a good excuse in either case

[honest yacht]

wdym excuse?

that's legit what they are

[left gust]

Oh yeah, most of us HERE know that. And yet I see a LOT of wannabe media critics take them as fact. It's annoying AF.

[wraith chasm]

Dude people have been shitting on LTT's errors for ages. Comment sections were full of them, loads of Reddit posts about LTT slipping, just now another big YouTuber has called them out so it's a hot topic

[honest yacht]

Same thing as CNN/Fox news

[pulsar depot]

the problem with LTT is they are mainly entertainment focused while still trying to put themselves off as informational, and they entirely miss the mark on the latter.

[lament condor]

They're framing themselves as a review/tips channel; even if they're mostly an entertainment channel

[left gust]

Bring that back to LTT. How many people out there take LTT as word of God? How many built their rigs because Linus told them this is how to do it?

[jolly raptor]

tbh, they are just doing what news channels have been doing for decades

[lament condor]

Yeah that's exactly what I was trying to say

[left gust]

And LTT puts on a veneer of professionalism, as much as they try to say "We're an entertainment company guys!!!"

And THAT'S a problem.

[honest yacht]

If only people could think for themselves...

[pulsar depot]

If you are an entertainment channel and information accuracy isnt your primary concern, this is fine,

if you market yourself as an information focused channel that is trying to display accurate data and you a) fail to do that and b) fail to correct it when youve been made aware, THAT is a big issue

[winter kiln]

well more so they are entertainment but is trying to move to objective data driven reviews, then flop hard

[lament condor]

Similar to what "news" organisations do

[left gust]

You're either trying to be educational, in which you better make sure your tests are done right, or you're just being an entertainment program in which BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT and don't spread misinformation!

[pulsar depot]

yes, the news orgs that get slandered for the same exact reasons

[left gust]

But they still market themselves as a source to get your tech information. It's in the name: Linus' Tech Tips.

[lament condor]

Yeah but everyone can't be an expert in everything

[lone carbon]

that's a stretch

[uneven jetty]

LTT seems like the CNN of the TechTubers.

[left gust]

There's still a good chunk of people out there who think reality TV actually reflects what reality looks like.

[pulsar depot]

nobody is claiming you need to be. What we are claiming is that if you claim to be an expert in something, you better be able to back that up

[winter kiln]

well that name is borrowed from ncix tech tips

[pulsar depot]

bummer you gotta wait a week

at least

[lament condor]

Oh yeah I was saying in relation to their audience

[honest yacht]

No, that would be impossible. The more you know the less you know. People just need to think about what they are consuming. Which is hard in this day an age.

[left gust]

How many people actually know that? Especially if we're talking about casual watchers who take Linus' word at face value?

[lament condor]

Someone's going to find their videos and not realise that it's meant primarily for entertainment

[honest yacht]

This is more of a consumer issue than producer issue

[hexed wasp]

yo theres an entire channel for this now? lmao

[pulsar depot]

There is a lot to be said about the failure of education when it comes to teaching people how to find and validate information, thats for sure. But that goes into the "Society bottom text" discussion.

[wraith chasm]

No it's a thread

[hexed wasp]

Oh

[jolly raptor]

tbf, it's okie for them to be an entertainment channel. they should spawn off the serious stuff into a different channel

[hexed wasp]

Discord is weird

[lament condor]

They do seem to be trying to give advice though no?

[left gust]

Yeah....still doesn't excuse acting like a carnie ESPECIALLY if you market yourself as a reliable tech source.

[wraith chasm]

Threads are like channels but with a |_ instead of a #

[hexed wasp]

Ahh

[honest yacht]

These are not excuses...

[hexed wasp]

I see

So its like an extension of the channel

Coole

[wraith chasm]

mmmhmmm

[left gust]

If you're gonna sell something, I feel like you've got a responsibility to deliver. Otherwise you might as well be selling snake oil.

[formal garnet]

but snake oil is good man

come on

[hexed wasp]

I mean, yeah, thats LTT

[jolly raptor]

and not call out other publications

[elfin nacelle]

LTT delivers on its entertainment snake oil every day

[shell sentinel]

L take

[jolly raptor]

part of me feels like GN responded to a LTT sucker punch with an armbar

[formal garnet]

not everything is supposed to be fun

[hexed wasp]

Extra Monitors DO* Hurt** Your Gaming Performance

*If you run like 3 4k video streams on all of them simultaneously
**4% reduction

[formal garnet]

surely operating on a patient in the surgery room is not fun...

[pulsar depot]

yes, GN is information based. Hes not here to display fireworks in your face to make you feel special. Hes there to tell you objective facts.

[shell sentinel]

I would almost argue 4% is margin of error

they did not give standard diviations

[left gust]

"By gawd! Stop the match!!! That man's got a family!!!"

[hexed wasp]

Whats wrong with half an hour of news?

[jolly ivy]

they jumped from the top rope with a chair

[hexed wasp]

Are you 11?

Do you need constant action

[pulsar depot]

can we not

[shell sentinel]

way more interesting that the BS linus puts out TBH

[hexed wasp]

Maybe you should watch cocomelon that might be more your speed

[honest yacht]

Attention spans are only 15 secs these days

[pulsar depot]

i need my subway surfers

[left gust]

And at least he's got the courtesy of time stamping, so you can just click to what you want and then move on with your day.

[honest yacht]

Need to get that dopamine fix and move onto the next one

[left gust]

That's what TikTok is for.

[hexed wasp]

Well then your take that "gamers nexus is boring" holds pretty much no worth

So

[honest yacht]

30 mins is to low to ingest, need that fast-acting stuff

[hexed wasp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly raptor]

if it's not ur cup of tea, then dont watch it. but they have a right to go at LTT if LTT is trying to be in the same space as them and calling GN out

[left gust]

But you're sacrificing in depth reviews if you can only hold attention for 30 seconds.

[hexed wasp]

No wonder you are so misinformed if techquickie is your go to source

[formal garnet]

listen, it's okay to not like half an hour of "x" but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad material, it just doesn't suit you. say I don't like it and move on instead of saying "L + ratio"

[elfin nacelle]

read the pins

[jolly raptor]

watch the GN video, it's like the first 5 minutes

[winter kiln]

i think everyone struggles to watch through a gn review to some extent

[pulsar depot]

you should probably catch up on the situation before you try and make any further claims about the validity of the uproar.

[shell sentinel]

IQ issue

[pulsar depot]

they called out both

[left gust]

Remember: a LOT of people still buy products and build rigs based off Linus' word. They've got way more reach than GN or J2C has.

[formal garnet]

So much calling outs and I can't even call out of work smh

[shell sentinel]

J2C

[jolly raptor]

yep boo hoo becaue GN kinda KO LTT this round

[shell sentinel]

[jolly raptor]

yep

[lament condor]

https://twitter.com/thechosendavid/likes

[elfin nacelle]

dunno who j2c reaches, but they must be some very smart people

[pulsar depot]

i think youre intentionally being ignorant to the problems at hand, tbh

and thats all there is to it

[left gust]

This isn't just yt drama. This is something that can legitimately hurt consumers.

[hexed wasp]

that is the issue

[winter kiln]

well gn kinda started the punch and then the whole thing mega stacked

[formal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-woof-bark-ruh-roh-gif-4303248

[pulsar depot]

are you going to partake in productive convo or?

[hexed wasp]

No its not

[pulsar depot]

no its not this is you shitslinging

[formal garnet]

guy said "l + ratio" i think productive has left a while ago

[hexed wasp]

You cant just be like "uhm yeah they will fix it so stop complaining"

The damage has already been done

[left gust]

Pffft. They're trying to cover their asses and push blame onto somewhere else. That's not fixing anything.

And they STILL haven't paid Billet back for the tech they auctioned off.

Let's also not get started with what their former employee had stated, unless they completely overhauled their business practices.

[formal garnet]

"Guys let's release all the inmates, they will fix their mistakes okay?!?!"

[elfin nacelle]

o-0

[elfin nacelle]

what.

[honest yacht]

So what should they do

[hexed wasp]

The workers are already being affected 💀

And how else do you expect change to occur?

[pulsar depot]

this has made it clear you fundamentally misunderstand the issues, and again, i recommend you actually catch up on whats going on.

[hexed wasp]

Lets all just

[left gust]

Maybe take responsibility for grossly misinforming their audience? And perhaps do something about their work culture? That would be nice.

[formal garnet]

Idk why this person is so heated up tbh

[hexed wasp]

Forgive Linus, continue watching his content so his employees can get paid?

[left gust]

Or am I expecting too much from a big company?

[formal garnet]

why are you so aggressive

[hexed wasp]

You clearly don't understand the issue

[jolly raptor]

yikes, can u not

[formal garnet]

genuine question

[pulsar depot]

,mute 825061649765105675 2h take a break

[near python]

@simple knoll has been muted for: 2 hours
Reason: take a break

[tribal magnet]

are his employees hostages?

[honest yacht]

How have they been grossly misinforming their audience?

[left gust]

GN did a whole video on how they've been misinforming their audience.

[formal garnet]

I think it's a good idea to take almost everything with a grain of salt on the internet

[left gust]

They've been using faulty data and pushing it as fact.

All because they couldn't be bothered to retest it because they gotta get the videos out.

[honest yacht]

It's been well known for a long time that LTT is not the end all be all to all things tech

[knotty reef]

has this run its course yet?

[left gust]

Look, at some level I get it. They make a schedule that prioritizes video output over accuracy. They need to keep that revenue stream flowing.

[tribal magnet]

not until the Wan sho and then some :)

[left gust]

I mean that recent thread from a former employee probably added fuel to the fire. Gonna be a while before that gets put out.

[formal garnet]

I doubt anything will happen, look at Activison Blizzard for example

[knotty reef]

this was 13 hours ago, where is the new content.

[honest yacht]

Just for the record, LTT does inform their viewers to check data with multiple sources. So they are not necessarily blind to how this works

[formal garnet]

SA's at workplace, poor quality of content, frustrated players etc.

They haven't fixed anything, at least to my knowledge

I could be wrong but that's what I knew the last time I checked on it

[hexed wasp]

Lmfao that first post hasnt even watched the video

[left gust]

I was about to say. But even then, I still think it's a bad call to just try and move on like nothing happened if it keeps going like this.

None of us are making excuses for Blizzard shitting out shitty games and monetization.

[final cipher]

Why should we care about a third party's opinion TBH?

[jolly raptor]

bro made an alt account to spam the server after he was muted

[hexed wasp]

They didnt claim that the correct math would be for kelvin

[final cipher]

Like... I care about GN/HUB/LTT vids, not some random other YTer

[knotty reef]

why are we posting a 6yr old necro?

[formal garnet]

Of course it is, but what can you really do as a consumer honestly except stopping to support them?

[hexed wasp]

In fact their whole point was that percentage improvement doesnt make any sense for temperature

[formal garnet]

You also have to take in note that you're not united with a lot of the other fanbase

People are either too divided by many things or they just simply put don't care

[left gust]

And like Blizzard, if LTT keeps going down this road with no meaningful changes, how long before their reputation tanks so bad that even casual viewers can see they've gone down the toilet? I don't think any of us want that to happen.

[final cipher]

I'm just trying to make sure shit doesn't go off the rails, hombre

[hexed wasp]

Hello?

Are you even reading those posts

The first one is incorrect

[formal garnet]

Blizzard is going to be doing just fine, so is LTT imo but I'd love to be wrong

[final cipher]

🤔

[hexed wasp]

The second has already been addressed in the comments

Stop reading the titles

[knotty reef]

you here for anything else?

[left gust]

At the end of the day, yeah. Look at how many people are dropping Blizzard after their Overwatch 2 disaster and the Diablo 4 BS.

[hexed wasp]

And start reading whatt he content is

[pulsar depot]

probably an alt of the dude i just muted.

[knotty reef]

yea but I was gunna let them out themselves then ban both.

[formal garnet]

It should've happened long ago (When the WoW game was not getting the deserved treatment and the lawsuits became public)

[final cipher]

Because honestly I hate that this thread even exists, but you guys would ruin other channels if it didn't so...

[jolly raptor]

or the countless report of SA at Activision/Blizzard. but instead of things changing, Kotick gets a huge payday and the company gets bought out by Microsoft (with all of the higher ups still in charge)

[left gust]

And these days, NOBODY trusts Blizzard anymore. They only have players who are hopelessly addicted to their games now. Like freaking junkies.

[left gust]

YUUUUUUUP.

[knotty reef]

so you alting or just here to start drama?

[left gust]

Well that's what I'm saying. If LTT doesn't get their shit together, then I'd imagine they'll tank just like Blizzard did.

[honest yacht]

This is capitalism in a public company, soon to be acquired for stupid amounts of fuck you money

[jolly raptor]

i think they are alting, they might be the earlier person who was muted earlier

[final cipher]

What is an Allegory

[elfin nacelle]

this is not even the same thing..

[honest yacht]

Comparing LTT to ATVI makes no sense

[knotty reef]

last chance...

,ban 491262932869447696 825061649765105675 alting while muted

[near python]

Banned Members

Removed 2 days of messages
With Reason: alting while muted

Username

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ID Number

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Case Number

46803
46804

By: madben65 (280388458038689802)

[knotty reef]

I tried.

so if we could keep this productive and not an echo chamber it would be much apreciated.

[left gust]

Fair enough.

[lament condor]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23834190/linus-tech-tips-gamersnexus-madison-reeves-controversy

Terren Tong said that an outside investigator will be hired to examine the harassment allegations at LTT

So that's good news

[pulsar depot]

oh shit, theyre making that public?

of all the shit coming up that one surprises me most

[tribal magnet]

hmm thats quite aggressive really

[lament condor]

I mean it's like hiring an outside auditor to check your books

certainly better then self certifying but at the end of the day you're paying someone to look into you

[tribal magnet]

I feel like you would only do this if you think everything is ok and want to turn the tables

[pulsar depot]

good.

[uneven jetty]

I mean it's the correct thing to do just from a selfish point of view as this could quickly turn into a legal issue.

[pulsar depot]

just like companies hire external red teams to pen test their stuff instead of saying "yeah i made it so i know its secure"

dls thing too

[lament condor]

Not as good as someone "hostile" to you looking into you but miles better than nothing

I trust outside auditors more than the govt in many instances

[uneven jetty]

I'm not sure why you would want someone "hostile" looking into you. You want someone who is neutral and objective.

[lament condor]

Someone's gotta pay em but yeah you wouldn't

[tribal magnet]

sounds to me like they could be building a case against madison by doing this

[lament condor]

Yeah they might be

[young forum]

That seems like it would be a very dangerous play.

[uneven jetty]

@tribal magnet I don't think so, if her story is true then you would want to know because that opens you up to a ton of liability. Linus probably genuenly didn't know as people will often be two faced with the boss. Also probably why he didn't take the complaints seriously. He has worked with these people for years and has his own biased views. Why large corporations have big HR departments and outside investigations to audit things like this.

[tribal magnet]

thats why it is presented this way

We will have to wait and see what comes of it.. I dont know anything about madison so I also need some kind of evidence to back up her words

[young forum]

I mean, given that at least one of the allegations is against Linus personally...

But that just means that there is doubly the need for an outside investigator.

[left gust]

Dang....didn't think they'd bring in outside investigation for this. Now you know this is really serious.

[uneven jetty]

What part about him personally? I don't recall anything other than him saying "suck it up" or whatever.

[safe pulsar]

Being dismissive about workload and possible mental health effects that would have yeh. Other than that Linus wasn't personally named afaik.

[young forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140777193979523183/1141278292209569802/image.png

[young forum]

See above.

[formal garnet]

attention seeker, oof

[frigid tusk]

https://youtu.be/MLHMCAeGKOQ

posted at the worst time 💀💀

[formal garnet]

This is just hilarious and sad lmao

[tribal magnet]

he dont know :D

or maybe he does!

[safe pulsar]

Oh yeh that, I was thinking about allegations towards Maddison herself. That is def messed up. Like even if you think that, keep it to yourself? Don't offload on a junior (female) employee. Linus has such an issue with reading rooms.

[young forum]

Evidently the new CEO is bringing in an outside investigator:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23834190/linus-tech-tips-gamersnexus-madison-reeves-controversy

[safe pulsar]

should be pinned ^^

[frigid tusk]

holy shit its the guy who dissed gn and hwub

[safe pulsar]

ha wow, way to pause it at a moment the CC makes it seem like a racist joke

[elfin nacelle]

well, yeah, he does work there

but there's no reason to witch hunt

(also, this was filmed at the same event I believe)

[severe crown]

I would say that's one of the only thing they could make public

And definitely the right thing to do

[uneven jetty]

Hard to get the context of that, who was he yelling at? Like I believe it as you can even see glimpses of it in videos where he is clearly irritated. Personally I put anger management and sexual harassment issues on two different levels. One is way worse than the other.

[knotty reef]

can we just not...

[hallow elbow]

seems to me he was venting to madison about the person on twitter

[honest yacht]

that's what I got from it

[safe pulsar]

? Ayato oofed at Linus calling someone an attention seeker.

[young forum]

Per that, someone who had accused him of inappropriate conduct.

[formal garnet]

Not sure what did I say

was the tweet that made me oof

[leaden bison]

I love this guy

[knotty reef]

no.

[honest yacht]

But hiring an outside firm to investigate is the proper way to go about this. Not sure what else you could want

[hexed wasp]

Mayb an actual apology

[severe crown]

For what?

[honest yacht]

You can't

[formal garnet]

Uh okay I guess

Was a genuinely towards the tweet, not a person

[pulsar depot]

it definitely seems like an oof at linus

[hexed wasp]

They still haven't apologized for the original statements against GN and HUB afaik

[young forum]

At least one former employee has previously vague posted about knowing why Madison left and saying she had similar stories - that isn't definitive proof but could be seen as somewhat indicative. Additionally, this is not the first time a former employee has commented that they felt there was respect issues and sexism when it comes to female LTT employees.

[knotty reef]

that would be admiting fault in a criminal case... investigate first.

[honest yacht]

That would open a whole can of worms

[hallow elbow]

the whole madison thing is sad bc i guarantee not a single person would be calling such allegations about the internal culture into question if they came from, say, taran van hemert or brandon lee

[hexed wasp]

Im still talking about like

the original statements

[honest yacht]

You don't apologies in these situations.

[hexed wasp]

why not

you level false claims against someone

[honest yacht]

Because there is a lot at stake here if you do

[hexed wasp]

you apologize

???

[honest yacht]

It's not that simple

[formal garnet]

apologizing can also mean you're admitting fault

[pulsar depot]

apologizing implies guilt.

[severe crown]

Guys, read

[pulsar depot]

what original statements

i guess is the confusion

[hexed wasp]

The original comments against HUB and GN

[severe crown]

I believe Arya means the Linus forum post

[lost lynx]

the one at LTX?

[pulsar depot]

oh yeah

same deal