ltt-discussion

[final cipher]

You guys didn't see where I posted this, but 2-3 weeks ago I was calling out LTT for doing R-word jokes on wan show so this is totally believable

[novel folio]

It's really sad what some "fans" will do 😦

[tribal magnet]

yeah using the r and f words is bad but we need more context about it.. I imagine for that to happen would have been quite a heated exchange

[novel folio]

Even then it's not okay

[tawdry peak]

being asked about her sex life isnt extreme?

[tribal magnet]

Of course she was still wronged

[cursive bramble]

Even if there's the possibility the dad or parents possibly bought subs for the kid's channel, it's still depressing that he just wanted to make his son's life happy only to get shitted on by malicious comments of LMG fans

[cinder gate]

In a workplace? It's not ok in any context

[final cipher]

blacked out the others because they didn't agree to be screenshotted

[cinder gate]

Getting heated is not an excuse for being a cunt

[final cipher]

Lol we just watched him do it live on stage

[tribal magnet]

of course its not but we are talking about how extreme it is.. I am more forgiving for things given different contexts

[sturdy granite]

Wasn't that part of her managing onlyfans (which she didn't want to do) i.e it was external not internal.

[cursive bramble]

I am mostly known here before as the horni dude that won't stop talking about Stable diffusion seggs, and even if I say that we require more context, being asked about it casually sounds wack in a workplace

[tawdry peak]

The onlyfans issue was a different thing.

[west wasp]

So uh, Linus made a kid kill himself over a yt play button?

[tawdry peak]

No he didnt

[wraith chasm]

Sounds more like he instigated the issue and lmg fans were the cunts behind it

[tawdry peak]

the bad part of the fan base did.

[cursive bramble]

he backed out because he wanted the kid to have it, but the fanbase had different plans.

he tried decreasing them via a forum post and a short topic in wan show I think?
It didn't helped though.

[west wasp]

Sounds like he put a lot of effort into it

[knotty reef]

chill out.

[cursive bramble]

Madison only started speaking out when the fanbase had the one moment where they disagree with linus

[tawdry peak]

Madison did not want to speak out because she knew what the toxic part of the fanbase could do.

[cursive bramble]

so it's either:

She wanted to have the least amount of hate when she does post this stuff
want to increase more damage into LMG

both of them up to your interpretations

[tribal magnet]

People dont speak out usually when they feel noone has their back so to me thats ok

[cursive bramble]

to think I'm reading all of this depressing shit in my fucking birthday of all days.

[tawdry peak]

I dont think either part of your speculation is true.

[tropic crystal]

They aren't wrong, though.

[west wasp]

Or use the moment while everyone is listening so they can hear her complaints, otherwise they'd be drowned out by toxic ltt fans

[wraith chasm]

I never normally like to believe one person over another but the whole Madison hiring was Sus and I'm inclined to take her word without question tbh

[knotty reef]

no just over egar and misrepresenting.

[wraith chasm]

Happy birthday stable diffusion guy

[sturdy granite]

Mate how does this actually affect you. Disengage from the drama if it's ruing your special day.

[cursive bramble]

not a lot, but yeah just a bit upsetting to read tbh :v

[wraith chasm]

He just wanted us to say happy birthday don't be mean

[west wasp]

go play video games or somethin lol

[cursive bramble]

thanks

[tribal magnet]

im still 90% angry at the way Linus felt his treatment of Billet labs was acceptable

[honest yacht]

why

[wraith chasm]

It's crazy that the billet was the main thing he responded to in the post and then doubled down on himself

[west wasp]

Linus is like Elon Musk in management, over confident, but unlike Elon Musk, completely incompetent

[novel folio]

you accidently added an un

[honest yacht]

what

[cursive bramble]

Imagine you finally put hard work and effort to minmaxing and saving up money for your pc, show it to someone and that someone just basically stole it

[wraith chasm]

Elon is very competent, absolutely

[tribal magnet]

Because he totally ruined their chance at a fair review and left out there the impression that their product wasnt just expensive but bad

[honest yacht]

but that's not what happened...

[true gyro]

weird analogy
not so sure about that one

i get what you're implying but like
is elon musk of all people the right guy for that analogy

[honest yacht]

Billet original said they could keep the sample

[west wasp]

Elon Musk is at least slightly competent though

[wraith chasm]

Say you built a PC, showed it to someone, said they could keep it to show it to other people, then they told everyone you suck at building PCs so you ask for it back, but they "auction" it for "charity"
Better? 🙃

[west wasp]

Linus feels like he's trying to be like him, but failing

[wraith chasm]

Elon musk is rich

[tribal magnet]

i hope that when they are able to create a new prototype that someone else will review it.. dont even have to be GN

[honest yacht]

No. This is making a lot of assumptions in an attempt to grossly over simplify the issue

[true gyro]

i don't agree at all, these people are nothing alike

[wraith chasm]

I'm actually not that invested in any of it, I just want to poke the fire that's brewing in this thread hehe

[elfin nacelle]

This was a quick turn around

[tribal magnet]

It sounds to me like they are just 2 guys whos business is so small they cant even afford to buy a 4090 to make their prototype but they still made the effort to try create something.. then linus comes along with minimal effort and trashes it without proper testing.. just makes me feel sad

[true gyro]

i feel like der8auer would

[elfin nacelle]

The... The testing video will be on floatplane?

[true gyro]

i have seen some videos by him on nicher watercooling parts

/new or weird coolers in general

[tribal magnet]

It does seem the block has potential to be really great and make it possible to build a very compact pc

[robust prism]

der8auer reports on prototypes of all sorts

[tribal magnet]

but while their temps were good in their testing their memory and chipset temps were a bit high

[robust prism]

good consumer watercooling blocks really end up being picked up by private individuals who don’t often capitalize off of it.

[nova sparrow]

https://youtu.be/0cTpTMl8kFY

[elfin nacelle]

Hey

Yew

Stop being late

[tribal magnet]

im still only halfway through the vid.. havent got to linus

[elfin nacelle]

Is this the LTT avengers assemble video we needed

[robust prism]

Oh boy.

Is the asus pr guy in there

[elfin nacelle]

Gary?

The labs guy

Ye

[upper phoenix]

whew lad

[tribal magnet]

really Colton emailed the wrong person instead of billet labs lol

[elfin nacelle]

Luke

[spice gust]

is this finally when colton gets fired

[tribal magnet]

the hands in the video are really weird.. big checker blocks pixelated kind of thing :D

[elfin nacelle]

This is the most professional video they've ever produced

Did they... Mention GN at all?

I hope they issued private apologies

[pulsar depot]

ive heard some indirect references but so far i havent heard GN directly

and honestly, i think thats likely a good thing. Otherwise its just a response to GN, and not a response to the issue as a whole

[elfin nacelle]

Oh, yeah

[final cipher]

If they were smart here, they would have hired a disaster relations firm anyways

[spice gust]

They've said "critiques that have been leveled against us" in a pretty clear reference to GN

[tribal magnet]

Mostly just pictures of things the community said with lots of mentions of GN

[halcyon plover]

holy duck

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786263341270040639/1141329753505284236/7vx4pl.png?width=580&height=400

[spice gust]

what is the first one referencing

[halcyon plover]

remember the random LTT employee going "we retest unlike GN/HWUB"?

[elfin nacelle]

The engineer that made the GN comment

[spice gust]

oh that

[halcyon plover]

or something along those lines

[tribal magnet]

yeah they havent responded to these new allegations at all yet its too new

[elfin nacelle]

Huh?

[tribal magnet]

When it blew up i never even watched that labs tour video or anything so i only seen it in the GN video

[elfin nacelle]

https://youtu.be/0cTpTMl8kFY have you not read the morning news

[pulsar depot]

madison probably.

[teal flame]

Ye

Ew why have I got this pfp

[tawdry peak]

A new shitshow is in the pin.

[tribal magnet]

yes madison

[spice gust]

check the pins

[wraith chasm]

Just finished reading Madisons post, I can't believe this has gone from "LTT puts out shit content" to "lmg is blizzard"

[tawdry peak]

Also according to someone on reddit, two former female LMG employees also hinted at unpleasantries during their time there at the time Madison quit.

[golden meadow]

I expect a yongyea video happening soon

[halcyon plover]

it wasn't even neccessarily "LTT Puts out shit content" more "LTT is sloppy/needs to improve"

[wraith chasm]

Yeah spot on

[elfin nacelle]

That's, no good

[halcyon plover]

you can see the meme i posted earlier #1140777193979523183 message

[final cipher]

I have to assume, since it's your discord account, that you wanted it

[west wasp]

• Puts ads in the video
• Shows how much money was given to Billet
• I think some people said they also advertised merch, but unsure

[tribal magnet]

sooty :D

[cinder gate]

They definitely advertised merch in the video

[spice gust]

The product manager briefly mentioned lttstore as a "haha joke not really" kinda thing

[tawdry peak]

Yvonne also made a joke about dbrand at the end

[spice gust]

and also multiple employeer were wearing LTT merch

[novel folio]

didn't they show a screwdriver?

[tawdry peak]

Yes

[pulsar depot]

i was gunna ask.... did billet give them permission to display the amount?

it seems every other outlet, including billet, avoided doing so

[spice gust]

did that video show it?

I didn't see it

[pulsar depot]

yes

2000

[tribal magnet]

dbrand would sponser criticism aimed at them.. they really like to sponsor :D

[pulsar depot]

https://youtu.be/0cTpTMl8kFY?t=800

timestamped link

[teal flame]

I was at a lowish point when I thought that was a good idea

[shell sentinel]

@pulsar depot that screenshot does provide a little insight though as to why they thought they could keep it

[pulsar depot]

i never doubted that it wasnt intentional.

still negligence, but not all negligence is intentional

[shell sentinel]

yea I mean I didnt think it was intentional either

[pulsar depot]

that said, lets make a hypothetical and say i as a security person unload a shitton of ransomware in our domain controller accidentally. Just because it was an accident doesnt mean it didnt come as a result of incompetence, and doesnt really make the situation any better.

the damage is still done

[wraith chasm]

I would have you hanged if you did that to my baby DC

[shell sentinel]

yea but I had assimed they knew that Billet wanted the block back from the beginning

which is kinda the narative Billet made it sound like

[honest yacht]

Yup except they told them they could keep it

[wraith chasm]

Tldw the entire LTT video, but hopefully they mean what they say

[shell sentinel]

if they thought they were able to keep it, it makes atleast more sense that they were not as careful with it in some ways

[pulsar depot]

after they had already began developing a prototype at the assumption of being paid back for the product, which cant be ignored

[shell sentinel]

I am talking about before they sent it though

[honest yacht]

The initial communication was that LTT could keep it

[pulsar depot]

Im not disagreeing with that.

[shell sentinel]

if it was their best protoype, and they needed it for production, why would they have told LTT they could keep it at the beginning?

[pulsar depot]

But then the meta changed.

[shell sentinel]

something doesnt add up there

[honest yacht]

Right which comes down to a communication issue

[shell sentinel]

yea I mean they have every right to have asked for rit back and should have gotten it, not denying that

[safe pulsar]

this is a tad weird tbh. said they could keep it - expected them to maybe reuse it and get another mention, which is understandable. but if someone can keep something, it's theirs to sell/auction, right?

[honest yacht]

It's a grey area

[pulsar depot]

And from what it sounds like, this issue was on LTTs side.

[honest yacht]

And we don't have all of the information

[honest yacht]

It's possible

[pulsar depot]

Colton said he forgot to CC the billet labs contact.

[honest yacht]

did Billet ever follow up after a lack of response from LTT

[pulsar depot]

i havent seen anything super new, just the stuff from the other day and todays topics

[safe pulsar]

the whole not returning/returning snafu isnt the most important point imo - I work in logistics and fucked up shipments, emails, receipts before. It happens. The not wanting to test it properly and having poor pre-production (probably due to time constraints) on the video is what bothers me personally.

[stoic sable]

ah, makes the incident more understandable I guess

[glad meadow]

Ho. Lee. Fuck.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html

[stoic sable]

mornin zero

[honest yacht]

@glad meadow pins my man

[glad meadow]

ah, I really should check those before posting lol

But also, talking Linus video

[west wasp]

Their whole business model bothers me, they just rush out content without checking for quality, like a triple A game company and then they gave a response like a triple A game company

And Linus still tries to pretend like his videos are just him and his friends messing around and not serious in any way and he clearly can't manage the company

[pulsar depot]

i dont see it as the biggest issue im just honestly surprised the lengths people are going to defend LTT about it.

thats my take.

It can still be a "human error" and be an egregious fuck up

those things arent mutually exclusive

[honest yacht]

Yup

The problem I have is that people don't stick to the facts and make gross assumptions

[hallow elbow]

man

madisons statement is really damning

[safe pulsar]

yeh I feel the same - first thing I do when I realize a fuckup at work is apologize, rectify and look back at all the receipts, calculations, excel sheets to see where I made an error and maybe introduce a new process if it's something that could have been prevented. That's what anyone should do imo.

[hallow elbow]

LMG shouldnt be able to get away with this.

[pulsar depot]

they likely wont. Theyre in the spotlight

anything out in the air can and will be used against them, people are actively searching for things to complain about any given side. The internet loves drama, and that post is peak firestarter, or at the least, pouring water on a grease fire.

[safe pulsar]

should've just taken the buyout and let a corporation put proper HR and QC in place lol.

[earnest lava]

I doubt they can sell for the same amount now xd

[pulsar depot]

absolutely not

this is a fat 50% off tag on any offer they (likely wont) take.

[robust prism]

honestly this is a minor temporary setback if they handle it even remotely well.

[pulsar depot]

which they havent

theyve handled it fucking horribly

[ember depot]

there's a real "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest" vibe here

[robust prism]

fucking hell

[honest yacht]

It's too soon to tell

[pulsar depot]

i mean not really, linus;s response literally made the situation worse

sure long term its hard to see

[robust prism]

I still think this is inconsequential but they continue to surprise me with their actions in response.

[pulsar depot]

but short term its clear to see their responses have been horrid up until the video this morning

[robust prism]

and I even thought it was harsh when I said their pr guy hadn’t learned their lesson from his past jobs

[honest yacht]

Maybe I missed something what was his response

[safe pulsar]

vis a vis the toxic workplace dynamics feels like such an oversight - especially in a male dominated industry in 2023, you have to be proactive with good HR. I work with mainly blue collar men, and it can get pretty rowdy in terms of conversation topics so gotta be on top of things that might make others uncomfortable and nip it in the bud. Techbro's are worse than truck drivers in my experience.

[timid needle]

posting to enter discussion

[pulsar depot]

he made an emotion driven forum post on LTT forums that effectively shifted any responsibility away from them and did not address a huge portion of the problems brought up, instead focusing on the billet labs issue'

[honest yacht]

ah

I need to finish what I'm doing and give it a read

[ember depot]

very bold assumption that this is the final domino

[cerulean pebble]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/115ucm3/ltt_isnt_a_great_employer_has_a_lot_of_antilabour/

[timid needle]

LMAO that the GN video on LTT is what boosted their subs to 2M

[pulsar depot]

not to mention this wasnt even a dedicated forum post, it was a response buried in the depths of an LTT slander thread.

And, as of the time of that post, the indication from the first sentence implied that they werent going to do anything about it in response

[stoic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

[pulsar depot]

which is a DANGEROUS game to play on a long forum post like that. You have to assume most people are only going to read the first few sentences.

[wraith chasm]

GN hit 2 mil now? Wow 🤣

[stiff vortex]

https://youtu.be/0cTpTMl8kFY
2:29
Vlog style video on lab processes on floatplane

[halcyon plover]

i'm aware this will probably have to be updated later, unfortunately.

[glad meadow]

Mutahar no, don't go into the lig- oh shit he did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXsp620Qfk

[halcyon plover]

💀

[stoic sable]

I just realized that this post was made 6 months ago

[halcyon plover]

ian (cutress) also mentioned something about making video but that was when it was just about review accuracy/he mentioned he was gonna visit billet labs but new work came up?

[fathom galleon]

All of this reinforces my belief to only treat ltt as entertainment and not as a source of information for stuff like hardware

I've always had doubt that their data would be up to par with the absolute frantic upload schedule they have

Gamers nexus and hardware unboxed are much better

[ember depot]

the next wan show should just be linus taped to a chair with tape over the mouth and Luke just chatting about ai

[halcyon plover]

💀

[honest yacht]

They've been this way for quiet some time now lol

[ember depot]

I mean it would be a significantly lowering of the risk

[robust prism]

Frankly it’s been basically the other way around a couple times when Luke had a medical thing or other than stopped him from speaking

[timid needle]

blud did not address the madison situation 💀

[ember depot]

is blud that Some ordinary gamers dude

[timid needle]

str8 boy language

[honest yacht]

Right it doesn't address all of the issues and maybe I am a little biased but I believe he is still taking it in the right spirit.

[stoic sable]

with the sexual assault allegations Im not sure I want to watch anything from em anymore

doesnt feel right

[ember depot]

I'm sorry was that a fucking 69 joke in an apology video

holy shit

i just sat down to watch it in full

oh god

[stoic sable]

Timestamp? I think I may have missed it

[honest yacht]

This is LTT we're talking about

[robust prism]

I’m choosing not to view it till tomorrow

[pulsar depot]

i guess thats where we disagree. He entirely missed the point of "report accurately not because you want to, but because it's the right thing to do after slandering a product that performed poorly due to your own incompetence. "

[robust prism]

need a laugh on my morning commute instead of sadness going to bed

[ember depot]

i watches the first part and was like "okay terren did a sponsor joke, that's a bit flippant but I'll let that slide"

[robust prism]

I better not see the asus guy doubling down on what Linus says

[ember depot]

15:30-50

[robust prism]

Pinned already.

[lament condor]

Oof

[novel folio]

I wonder if we'll see more ex employees speaking out in the coming days.

[lament condor]

beat me by 6 hours

[honest yacht]

Just to make sure we're discussing the same thing, is this what you are referring to?

[pulsar depot]

sort of, but that area also brings up another point

calling it impossible is just wrong

[stoic sable]

oh noo luke 😭

[ember depot]

luke is a bad actor

it seems like such a forced joke

[robust prism]

Linus has a problem with arguing language selection and then moaning like a child against others arguing language selection.

I think there’s a word for that in English but I don’t know it rn

[ember depot]

did they actually segment it "A wild linus appears"

holy shit

absolutely holy shit

this is bad

bad bad bad bad

[pulsar depot]

they memed a bit more than i hoped in the video but the video itself is at least in the right direction

[ember depot]

no it isnt!

It shows they aren't taking it seriously!

[wraith chasm]

Yeah pretty cringe title

[cinder gate]

It's a solid B

[pulsar depot]

theyre literally stopping production for at least a week to fix the issue, did you not watch the actual video?

[robust prism]

much better than before™️

[honest yacht]

But is him not acknowledging he thought wrong at the end not enough? Two paragraphs later he also notes that "Adam" was advocating for this as well and that he missed the point

[robust prism]

B-

[pulsar depot]

step in the right direction does not mean its flawless. It means theyre actively taking steps to correct a problem now

[honest yacht]

They're taking this very seriously

[ember depot]

I am looking at the method of the video, if I'm apologizing for a huge ethics scandal, I do not so so by making sex jokes

[robust prism]

if we’re arguing flawless, no one in this slice of the creator space is flawless.

[honest yacht]

The new CEO having the opening slot on the video shows as much imo

[ember depot]

nor sponsor jokes

nor have sponsors on the video!

[pulsar depot]

they literally didnt

[honest yacht]

This is still LTT we are talking about

[pulsar depot]

that video wasnt sponsored.

[ember depot]

yes they do!

there's ads on ot

[pulsar depot]

they stated they denied DBrands sponsorship

[honest yacht]

where was the sponsorship in the vid

[wraith chasm]

Yeah looool

[robust prism]

Ads and sponsorship are separate things

[pulsar depot]

^

[ember depot]

it is a monetized video

[robust prism]

and it’s not a big deal that it’s monetized.

[ember depot]

oh okay

yeah not sponsored

monetized

[robust prism]

It’s a bit of a stretch to be criticizing them for monetizing the video when there’s much more drastic problems brought to light.

We should try to keep this fair, reasonable, experienced criticism instead of a dogpile

[stoic sable]

I assume wan show is included in production?

[robust prism]

experienced as in bringing forward points from those who have been personally, by-first-party affected

To be fair wan show is not going to go well regardless of anything

They could be entirely reasonably reasonable and wan show would still be a clustertrain.

I hate to say it but I still think this controversy, as massive as it is now, is going to blow over long term with a low perceived impact.

[elfin nacelle]

I wouldn't expect a wan show this week

[robust prism]

Now that the official statement is out in the form of a YouTube video, which is about as high as it gets, it’s out of any individual’s hands outside of first or second party to see how this goes down.

[glad meadow]

You know what - dbrand would absolutely offer to sponsor that video because they love being stapled to LTT uncomfortably.

I'm not mad it didn't happen, but also mad that it didn't happen.

[robust prism]

yeah. Couple of companies live and breath via ltt

[ember depot]

the monetisation is only one part. Does these seem like remotely appropriate way to address major ethical concerns?

[glad meadow]

dbrand was doing ok before their sponsorship deals with LTT

[glad meadow]

Do you know what "six 9s" means in infrastructure speak?

[robust prism]

I’ll restate that I have not watched the video and so any comment I have now is with all knowledge except what’s within the video itself.

[glad meadow]

Yes, there was a "nice" spin on it - but it's also a valid point to make.

(and a good goal to strive for)

[ember depot]

Yes, I guess when my heart attack patient's potassium comes back 6.9 I should also say "nice"

[warm herald]

No one commits to 6 9s

3 9s at most amirite

[elfin nacelle]

I should eat a banana

[ember depot]

if this was a vid on the labs processes and how quality control was achieved, hell yes go for the 69 joke

[robust prism]

I can’t even criticize putting jokes into the video cause it’s always been the style of the channel, as well as Linus himself, both of which are the main propellers of this situation, or at least the spearheaded person responsible.

[ember depot]

but they're in the midst of addressing am ethical scandal

[glad meadow]

For a 9-5 job, effective 100% uptime is doable.

[robust prism]

It’s just how absorbed the company is and will continue to be.

At this point I feel like the focus should still be put into the currently unresolved issue of workplace ethics

[safe pulsar]

i dont think they're seeing it that way atm - more like a core process issue.

[glad meadow]

But to actually answer you question of "how can they keep cracking jokes in a video like this", the answer is "because they can, because that's how a lot of people handle stress, because it makes the very serious video more light-hearted and easier to watch, etc etc"

[ember depot]

there's times for funny jokes, and that isn't to say you cant add humor to an apology, but edgy jokes like that will get you lit up... especially if something happens like sexual harrassment allegations break

and I know if was filmed ahead of time

[glad meadow]

How the fuck is a 69 joke edgy?

That joke is in half of the videos the launch.

[ember depot]

but my god do you realize how bad it looks for a sex joke in a serious video just after workplace sexual harrassment allegations break?

[robust prism]

the existence of a joke in a video offering transparency to a genuinely decent response is not a big deal in comparison to the actual sexual harassment

[spice gust]

Most of this isn't about ethics, to be clear.

[golden meadow]

ofc it's floatplane, definitely not a conflict of interest

[spice gust]

This video is addressing the critiques of sloppy video making, basically.

[glad meadow]

1. the video was uploaded the day before. The thread from Suop dropped early in the morning.
2. I think if you've seriously watched the video and are getting hung up on a 69 joke you're not the person who is going to find constructive feedback from the content of the video anyways

[robust prism]

yeah… still needs a response to ethics.
which is where a response actually matters; creates a baseline for how the company operates

[safe pulsar]

'69 nice' is so removed from the actual sexual act it hardly registers as sexual - to me atleast.

[warm herald]

Reviewer ethics to an extent as it pertains to brand and image damage to that mouse and GPU block company

[spice gust]

Overall I think the video was a good response, and hopefully they follow through on their promises.

[warm herald]

Also financial damage to them

But also primarily shitty LQ reviews

And now apparently sexual harrassment

So standard ethics and not just journalistic ethics

[glad meadow]

You're free to criticize the meat of the video but continuing to be mad at the jokes they snuck in shows you're not actually caring about the content of the video to begin with 😛

[robust prism]

“wait and see” ig. although there won’t be as drastic measure of community pressure by the time any reflection on newer changes going forward can be done.

just hope the public memory doesn’t forget this one, please..

[warm herald]

6 9s is 30 seconds of downtime in a year 👀

[glad meadow]

I took the jokes as coping mechanisms and a way to help deliver a somber message more light-heartedly. It doesn't need to go deeper than that.

[spice gust]

same.

[warm herald]

Also Luke is one of the few people genuinely attempting to hold back Linus shitty behavior

[cinder gate]

one of the visible people

[glad meadow]

Parts of Azure are 5-9s, which is terrifying for a 24/7 service.

[cinder gate]

we don't know what their company looks like behind the scenes

[warm herald]

Every WAN show is Luke attempting to stop Linus from committing social suicide

[cinder gate]

we can guess

[ember depot]

I have watched it. My point is that the tone and flippancy of the jokes undermine the message

[tropic crystal]

There shouldn't have been any jokes imo. It sounds like they are downplaying the severity if they're doing that

[ember depot]

Like if say, a policeman comes to tell you, say, a friend was hit by a car

they don't throw in jokes

[warm herald]

If you're an entertainment company though, your audience probably comes to expect it

Cater to your audience and all that

[safe pulsar]

the car was driving 69 miles an hour... nice.

[spice gust]

Yeah I didn't personally find the quips they put in to be downplaying the situation

[stiff vortex]

On one hand the LTT response video is a major win, but I can't help but not completely be cool with it. Product placement, lttstore.com mention, 69 joke? cmon.

[ember depot]

so yes, I understand your point about the content, but I feel that the way it has been framed (in a relatively light hearted manner) shows a lack of sincerity

[glad meadow]

I don't think they do, and I think that focusing on the 4 1-second quips in a 20 minute video shows you're not really focused on this issues presented.

Also, comparing a social media company to a police officer responding to a hit-and-run is a big stretch of responsibility 😛

[robust prism]

That’s an entirely different situation.

If someone were to admit something serious in a situation of personal grief and loss and coping, it is entirely possible and within the realm of “normalized” to throw in jokes.

[spice gust]

If they make a video responding to the sexual harassment claims, I would fully expect that to be devoid of jokes

[tropic crystal]

"Whoopsie, Madison got sexually harassed, <insert sponsor joke here>".

That wouldn't go down as good as these jokes currently are, hence they are seen (to me) as downplaying the severity of the issues discussed in that video.

[robust prism]

this is that but a corporate scale of a corporation known for jokes.
yes, it shows they don’t take a public image within their scripts to storylines seriously, but that’s not the issue

[robust prism]

Except that’s not the video.

We have yet to get a response to that.

The video purely addresses the production pipeline.

[spice gust]

I think part of the purpose of the jokes are "we're still here, we're not going to change our style", which was directly mentioned multiple times.

[robust prism]

^

which is fair when the style is content style and not production style.

[warm herald]

Would have been cool to see a shoutout to GN or HWU. Unless I missed that in the video

[spice gust]

They only hinted at them

I think it's best to not directly name anyone, because that looks like blaming

[robust prism]

the content style can stay completely the same; that’s not the major issue.
Biggest issue is the way ltt does things

[warm herald]

"Hey sorry about the twitter shit slinging and thanks for bringing up our consistency issues"

[robust prism]

I wonder how differently this would’ve gone if ltx was next week

[glad meadow]

LTX would continue on as normal.

[ember depot]

i fully expect that it will have jokes, unfortunately

[glad meadow]

That's not an event you can cancel on a week's notice.

[warm herald]

But imagine if Saw Con was next week

[ember depot]

though that's speculation

[tropic crystal]

That's true, but you seem to have missed what i'm putting down here.

I'm attempting to make a point that they're downplaying the severity of the issues discussed in that video, using the Madison situation as an example where it wouldn't have been acceptable to make jokes, because it would be downplaying a more serious issues.

[ember depot]

and it'll be interesting to see how they address it

[robust prism]

I mean personally I feel like the blame can’t be placed on an example of something that didn’t happen (yet).

[spice gust]

By expect I meant my personal standard. I have no idea how LMG will respond to that.

[robust prism]

Feels like we should look and judge this based on what has been done

Assuming negative intentions leads nowhere in terms of problem solving in this instance.
They have enough public pressure to drive anyone remotely publicly associated to ltt insane.

[glad meadow]

They've not addressed Suop's post at all.

I agree that making light of sexual harassment and abuse is a bad thing.

I don't agree that sliding in a couple of jokes in a 20-minute video about LTT Operations and Growth potential that's arguably hard to watch for their average user otherwise is a bad thing.

I do not anticipate that they'll public address Suop's post.

[ember depot]

My view is that if the sole issue here had been quality control and testing methodology, this video would be an absolutely excellent response

[stiff vortex]

To be fair to LTT, madison posted on twitter 8 hours ago, at 2 am.
Yeah it isn't ideal but I see why they didn't address it

[ember depot]

The issue is that this isn't just QC, but ethics, and when that comes in you need absolute seriousness

[spice gust]

That video was scheduled for upload very early this morning, it was likely already fully recorded by the time Maddy started her thread.

[stiff vortex]

Yeah

[ember depot]

it looks completely inappropriate in the context of the latest sexhara allegations, but I can't fault them for not having a crystal ball

[glad meadow]

11pm PST, technically.

Also, the response video was posted at 4am PST the next day, so that was scheduled or dropped as soon as editing was done while burning the midnight oil. Neither option gives room to address Madison's public post.

[ember depot]

althought when madison made her post

[stiff vortex]

Currently reading madisons tweets. One moment pls ty

[lost lynx]

Oh, madison?

who's madison?

[ember depot]

shouldn't the response be "STOP THE PRESS"

[lost lynx]

oh, found it

[glad meadow]

Suop, aka LTT's previous Social Media manager. The meme girl from one of the LTT tech upgrades from a few years ago.

[stiff vortex]

https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693740254228741

Madison | Suop (@suuuoppp)

To stop the speculation and DM's I am receiving.
I chose to quit my role at LTT because it, and the working environment I was facing, were ruining my mental health.

The number of daily items the Social media role at the time was expected to fill was incredibly high.

Likes

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Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 6:09 AM

[lost lynx]

I see

gonna read that up now

[stiff vortex]

:3

[ember depot]

someone from LTT should have been like "stop that video from launching IMMEDIATELY"

and we need to reshoot this completely seriously

[spice gust]

Maddy is/was the only person they've ever broken their probation rules for. She starred on the ROG build video, and people loved her so much they hired her. She only appeared in a few videos before she left the company shortly after her probation period.

[ember depot]

and we need to get in front of this

[glad meadow]

@stiff vortex check the pins for an easier to read version.

[stiff vortex]

tyy

[spice gust]

It's a separate issue that should be addressed separately.

[timid needle]

floatplane bro

💀

[glad meadow]

Playing devil's advocate - it's entirely possible that the crew had no idea of Suop's post until after the video went live.

And again, she is not addressed at all, nor is the topic of sexual abuse. It's not about that, it's about ethics and process.

[stiff vortex]

^^

[spice gust]

more specifically, review ethics

[glad meadow]

professional ethics and sexual misconduct are completely separate issues.

[ember depot]

that's what I said, I can't fault them for shooting the video that way before it dropped

[spice gust]

since clearly Maddy's post involves actual ethics

[stiff vortex]

From the half I read so far, It seems she was v overworked, and wasn't prepared to handle community backlash

[timid needle]

madison is getting her own entire wan show soon

[ember depot]

TLDR LTT faces three major issues

1. Quality control - This is relatively minor and the video committing to improvement and review address these very well

2. Journalistic Ethics - This is significantly worse, since bad journalistic ethics diminishes the credibility of everything the company does

3. Sekuhara - This is really, really bad for the company. I don't think I have to say why

[spice gust]

I have never heard the term sekuhara before

[ember depot]

sexual harassment

[stiff vortex]

Getting to that bit now

[spice gust]

It gets really bad

[tawdry peak]

Read the thread in the pin.

[stiff vortex]

Reading now

[timid needle]

tiktok appropriate language

[ember depot]

short form for sexual harassment

[robust prism]

sekuhara seems like it wouldn’t get its own response. Not because it doesn’t deserve it, but because its better from a corporate standpoint of damage control to address it in the form of “we’ll let people have unions and the like for being overworked” rather than “yeah we sexually abuse our employees”

[spice gust]

I hope at the very least they directly address it, because ignoring it isn't a good look

[timid needle]

men👍

[spice gust]

why are men

[pulsar depot]

Honestly in such a sensitive subject towards such a large audience, a little humor isn’t the worst thing in the world. It’s still LTT

It’s a dark video and they’re not a dark channel

[elfin nacelle]

They have a massive younger audience

[timid needle]

the whole situation is just so weird. i think they just wanted to indirectly get rid of her. feels like they didnt want her there in the first place. basically the community pressured linus into hiring her.

[spice gust]

I'm surprised their videos don't just have someone playing minecraft in the corner to keep the youngin's attention

[robust prism]

that’s a tiny stretch of a conclusion to draw but a stretch nonetheless. I’m hoping more people come forward with a situation like hers but it seems improbable.

[timid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/subway-surfers-surf-sirf-subway-surf-gif-26007743

[robust prism]

really depends

[lament condor]

That doesn't make them any less responsible though

[ember depot]

their videos did have someone playing a switch in the corner

[timid needle]

for sure yes

[spice gust]

oh my god yes, the shitty mobile games in the corner

[pulsar depot]

Expecting perfection in a situation like this is only going to lead to dissatisfaction. Thats what I’ll say about the jokes in the video

[viscid sluice]

I don't mind the jokes in this video, as long as they actually acknowledge the issues Tech Jesus raised in the video. Whether they are serious or not will be decided based on the content they put out soon.

[robust prism]

Agreed. Better to focus on the even more jarring problems.

[lament condor]

All of this points to on going patterns of abuse and caring about quantity over quality.

[viscid sluice]

I don't think there is anything they can do about the Madison thing, that's not something they can just acknowledge. That's fucking illegal

[timid needle]

i think this was evident for years now

[robust prism]

God. Yes.

[lament condor]

Also f slur 💀

[robust prism]

I feel like I’m overly invested in making sure the long term consequences of this incident stick but it’s genuinely cause I’ve seen this so many times.

[lament condor]

Not "funny" regardless of context

[timid needle]

omg me

[robust prism]

I read Linus’ initial response talking about “rome wasn’t built in a day” and whatever and I swear it’s deja vu on deja vu.

[viscid sluice]

I understand that feeling because their 'data' has fooled me before.

[robust prism]

That’s not the first time he’s used that exact fucking excuse for a couple scandals and it’s just sad that this has never resulted in anything.

[robust prism]

That data discrepancy has also been there for years. It was a lot worse two years ago when they were talking about industry art-of-the-trade, or worse, actual electrical engineering advice to their audience, like they had any basis to say anything.

[ember depot]

we talked about monetization earlier

it's fine

monetization isn't sponsorship

sponsorship would be up in arms

[robust prism]

It’s the thing about ltt; they collect new audiences day by day

[spice gust]

I don't particularly care that it's monetized... they are also stopping video production entirely for the time being, so after the currently scheduled videos go out there will be precisely 0 video income

[lament condor]

Here's an updated check

[robust prism]

public memory doesn’t fucking exist with ltt for some reason.

[lament condor]

they've probably made several thousand dollars "apologising"

[ember depot]

public memory doesn’t fucking exist with ltt for some reason.

FTFY

[robust prism]

I can guarantee there’s still plenty of consumer “facts” that they’ve spread that have become mainstream while being entirely false.
And that’s the tip of the iceberg

[grand moss]

I feel like if GN makes another video about LTT or LMG it's going to be in a documentary format

[robust prism]

At least with consumer facts there’s some semblance of care to accuracy given that it has consequences

[timid needle]

gigachad gn disabling monetization on his own for probably what is gonna be their most popular video sooner or later 💀

[honest yacht]

Just curious, what is illegal about it

[spice gust]

It is more than an apology because they outlined clear steps they will (hopefully) follow through with to improve their processes, and are pausing video production until they fix their processes.

[stiff vortex]

Depending on what they say on wan show

Maybe

[ember depot]

as in the allegations are of illegal acts

[stiff vortex]

I don't think so tho

[honest yacht]

can you elaborate?

[robust prism]

then they spout bullshit about things that the consumer could not possibly bother to be affected by, like how nand works or what latency does in individual components or how things are manufactured.

sickening. for years.

[spice gust]

"how things are manufactured" is more of an entertainment thing imo

people are just generally interested in that, obviously they're not going to go into the detailed science there

[lament condor]

The Code defines sexual harassment as any conduct, comment, gesture, or contact of a sexual nature that is likely to cause offence or humiliation to any employee

[stiff vortex]

It shouldn't be tho.

[lament condor]

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/canada/employment-social-development/migration/documents/assets/portfolio/docs/en/reports/labour_standards/sexual_harassment/harassment.pdf

[robust prism]

ugh. just tarnishing info, even if it’s mostly harmless

[ember depot]

see pinned post on madison's allegations

[stiff vortex]

There's a ton of people who watch their "how it's made" videos without diving deeper but still care and are interested

[robust prism]

I’ll be real depressed when I get into world news and its relation to entertainment but for now I’ll stick to complaining about the things I understand

[honest yacht]

I read the post, I'm just curious which part is actually illegal

[spice gust]

I disagree. Modern manufacturing is incredibly complicated, ain't nobody gonna sit through a PhD lecture of how EUV works.
Overviews of how things are generally manufactured are entertaining though, and you can skip over the details and that's still fine. That's why shows like How It's Made were so successful.

[lament condor]

Even if it isn't based on sex or any other protected class "workplace bullying" is illegal in Canada

and it sounds like a good amount of it was sexual/gender based

[ember depot]

Hostile work environment

discrimination on sex

[stiff vortex]

It is complicated. It can be simplified but generally correct ish. I get ya

[shell sentinel]

they are also frequently secret proprietary processes

[tawdry peak]

What Madison went through warrant a full on complaint sent to the labor authorities at BC.

[novel folio]

China would

[shell sentinel]

but they dont want China seeing.

[lament condor]

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.html

[grand moss]

I didn't watch the whole Linus video but after like 15 minutes, Linus was the only one that apologized. It's something I guess

[lament condor]

(3) Every person who contravenes this section is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or

[spice gust]

Linus is really the only person that actively did something wrong

[timid needle]

asianometry

[spice gust]

love asianometry

[robust prism]

I understand simplicity and I understand the difference it has with accuracy.
It’s a lot better now but I remember certain videos that are completely wrong for the sake of general “entertainment”, which I’ve observed spiral into wrong impressions that do have consequences.
Although I’m going off of personal account.

I think their original takes on used hardware, or mining hardware in particular, are a great example of this. As well as prejudice against certain companies

[stiff vortex]

Idm. They detailed "we f***d up. here's what we're doing to fix it moving forward"
Overall great apology video. They're doing what needs to be done (or at least they said they would. time will tell)

[grand moss]

Not an apology video if no one apologizes though

[spice gust]

Am I the only person that thinks this isn't really an apology video?

[robust prism]

I see this from pretty much every other creator as well, where creators go “I don’t have much trust in this product cause I’ve never heard of the company”, but the difference between ltt and other creators is that the other creators have the maturity to be able to recognize later on whether a company is relevant and maybe even comment on it, whereas ltt will literally never do shit.

[spice gust]

This is more about what's wrong with their internal processes and how they're going to fix it

[novel folio]

No

[robust prism]

I agree, we have yet to see a personal apology video.

[timid needle]

i dont think its an apology video either. just acknowledging things and promising to do better.

[robust prism]

But it’s something.

[lost isle]

Let's just see how they act, from now on. Words don't mean much compared to actions

[elfin nacelle]

The optics of apology videos never go well anyways.

[grand moss]

To me it felt like Linus apologized and the rest said we'll do better stuff

[elfin nacelle]

They likely issued private apologies

[spice gust]

That's because Linus went and did actual fucky wuckies

[timid needle]

we need to give linus a ukalele

[spice gust]

He posted on the forum in a very inappropriate manner and had clear disregard for review integrity

[stiff vortex]

yeaa.. U right

[robust prism]

The culture ltt has against new companies, and how they seem to flip a dice on whether to promote it as an “upcoming innovation” or a “bad copy”, has spawned a culture of prejudice against anything that isn’t mainstream tech

[stiff vortex]

It's a "what do we do now?" video lol

[lament condor]

Based on what?

[elfin nacelle]

what do you mean

[robust prism]

Which is fair with a “stranger danger” approach being beneficial, but not entirely fair to the degree that it is hurting companies.

[lost isle]

I mean that's basically the title

[timid needle]

based

[elfin nacelle]

it's certainly speculation, but that's likely what happened

[lament condor]

They seem to be incapable of actual apologies, ironic considering they're canadian

[leaden bison]

Ltt is even more screwed

[grand moss]

Yep, the moment feelings influence corporate actions or decisions they start being bad actions and decisions

[spice gust]

Given their existing, fairly positive relationship with HWUB and GN, they probably sent them direct private apologies

[lament condor]

what are you basing that assumption on?

[nova sparrow]

Probably the same thing you were basing claims of linus being a spousal abuser yesterday

[elfin nacelle]

How businesses usually do shit?

[timid needle]

THE WHAT NOW

[elfin nacelle]

no.

[lament condor]

Seems even more likely now

[elfin nacelle]

we aren't doing that.

[lost isle]

I hate that they made a joke about sponsorships

[robust prism]

bit hypocritical on my end to assume things but I think they’d capitalize on private apologies sooner or later

sooner or later someone’s gonna be like “but we issued private apologies!”

[ember depot]

I think it's an excellent apology video.... had the only issue been the quality control

The issue being journalistic and ethical makes this an terrible one

[final cipher]

As in, someone was pulling out of oh their ass based on internet Pathologizing

[ember depot]

yeah

I remember you now

you were the one who said that linus has a pattern that suggests spousal abuse

[elfin nacelle]

@lament condor Let's not.

[ember depot]

while what you say is true, there's this thing called "evidence"

[spice gust]

I don't believe anyone is actually alleging Linus himself is the one sexually abusing anyone

[ember depot]

and without it, please dont

[timid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/perrycult-gif-20953221

[leaden bison]

Did you guys see the Madison thing

[lost isle]

Yeah all I can say is just wait for the actions made

[elfin nacelle]

,mute @lament condor 2h Take a break

[near python]

@lament condor has been muted for: 2 hours
Reason: Take a break

[robust prism]

I think your point is fair from the context of a valid personal account but I don’t think it should be brought up

[stiff vortex]

Just reading it now

[robust prism]

You’ve been reading for a while

[spice gust]

it's in the pins

[robust prism]

[leaden bison]

I doubt ltt will even address it

[stiff vortex]

Yeaa, My brain is a little slow. Reading and responding to chat, and watching the LTT response again

[ember depot]

it is quite a long read

[stiff vortex]

😅

[robust prism]

Fuck its 11pm

[stiff vortex]

I wanna get it right before I start saying things

[lost isle]

Yeah, considering they already have enough on their plate as it is

[ember depot]

i think they must address it

it is the one allegation that if proven true can absolutely sink the company

[leaden bison]

I haven’t watched the apology video is it trash

[timid needle]

it will be adressed for sure, at least privately

[robust prism]

I’m going to bed or I’m gonna be as cranky as I am right now tomorrow.
Hope I wake up to something that can be taken as an actual response and apology

[grand moss]

I don't think internet is the kind of place to address those things tbh

[honest yacht]

It didn't sink Blizzard

or Riot

[spice gust]

It's not really an apology video, for good reason. It's a fairly good video.

[robust prism]

The internet is a terrible place to address any of this but ltt is an internet media personality.

[leaden bison]

Blizzard is way bigger even if lmg is big

[timid needle]

5 minutes slow reader read isnt that long

[robust prism]

so, no other reasonable possibility honestly.

[honest yacht]

ok so what does that mean

[leaden bison]

Ok

[stiff vortex]

https://youtu.be/0cTpTMl8kFY
See for yourself.
"We goofed, hard. We are going to do better. here's how"

[wraith chasm]

Blizzard has too many whales tbh

[honest yacht]

and LTT doesn't lol

[lost isle]

After this segue, to our sponsor

[robust prism]

Maybe people just have a problem with recognizing the difference between acknowledging wrongdoing and apologizing for it in the heat of stress.

[stiff vortex]

That joke was in poor taste. Not cool

[west wasp]

They still put ads on it and revealed how much money Billet asked for

[lost isle]

The fact that Tarren made that joke, it pissed me off

[grand moss]

trying to lighten things up with the jokes I guess

[robust prism]

I really find it funny that their pr guy just does not appear

[stiff vortex]

Whole thing is a mess.

[robust prism]

At all.

[leaden bison]

It wasn’t Linus who proposed the ltt store plug

[west wasp]

Also I wonder if the prototype really was worth $2000, I feel like they deserved more

[leaden bison]

Allegedly

[stiff vortex]

r/ltt is a whole thing if you haven't seen already

[lost isle]

There's a time for jokes, and it wasn't the time

[spice gust]

I really don't get the distaste with jokes in this video, it's very much on-brand for them and imo doesn't diminish anything

The topic of the video is more serious than normal but isn't that serious

[lost isle]

Especially when the topics are pretty damning, it's pretty idiotic

[west wasp]

It would be fine if they didn't straight up put ads on it anyway

[spice gust]

As I said earlier, the jokes are a way to say "we're still here, we're not changing our style", which they directly mention multiple times

[lost isle]

Especially when it's the big boss of the company making that joke

[spice gust]

They are stopping video production entirely for an indefinite amount of time, that is going to significantly cut into their video income

[robust prism]

Where the hell is their pr guy actually

[spice gust]

This video isn't addressing the Maddy controversy. The topics in the video are not that damning.

[cinder gate]

for a week

not indefinite

[honest yacht]

what PR guy

[spice gust]

The video I don't believe specified a date, did it?

[stiff vortex]

I get the jokes. They're good jokes, at a bad time
It comes of insincere

[cinder gate]

they definitely said a week

[west wasp]

So that's the excuse for making money off of an apology?

[robust prism]

They have a new pr guy who didn’t appear.
Hired from asus.

[spice gust]

It's not really an apology.

[honest yacht]

TIL

[spice gust]

Like actually watch the video, it's more about where their processes failed and how they're going to improve it

[west wasp]

And how long did Billet have to stop production after they took their 3090 ti and prototype?

[timid needle]

asus knows all about pr

[tawdry peak]

it slowed them

[spice gust]

Apparently they're going to reimburse them, and according to Billet they were planning on letting them keep the prototype anyways

[leaden bison]

I think ltt can resolve the billet labs and data stuff but they really need to fix their HR

[grand moss]

That and monetizing the video, I see it as bad decisions but I guess the ceo or whoever was in charge saw it as good for the company

[azure onyx]

I have been asking what is PR 😭😭

[lost isle]

Still bad nonetheless

[timid needle]

public relation

[novel folio]

Public relations

[leaden bison]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-money-gif-25191018

[robust prism]

Public relations
Sorta like consumer marketing but for the company itself instead of for products

[spice gust]

LTT video income very much comes from in-video sponsors anyways, youtube revenue is a piddling amount of income compared to the other sources.

[azure onyx]

Thank yall 😭

[lost isle]

Sad reality

[west wasp]

They will probably take a hit from this though, I imagine companies wouldn't want to sponsor them mow

[lost isle]

When a shitty game pays more than google themselves

[elfin nacelle]

it only brings attention to their reach.

[leaden bison]

Definitely not smaller brands like Dbrand

[timid needle]

until everyone forgets in 2 months

[spice gust]

Dbrand thrives off this shit wym

[robust prism]

I sound like a broken record with the amount of times I’ve said this but this is by far not the first time this kind of thing has happened

[leaden bison]

I mean dbrand seems like the kinda company to drop them idk though

[lost isle]

Yvonne did say dbrand wanted to include a sponsored segment

[leaden bison]

Bro

[robust prism]

Dbrand lives and breathes off of ltt

no way small companies drop them.
larger ones might.

[honest yacht]

Shows you the audience

[stiff vortex]

ohh yeah. Couple million kissed goodbye 💸

[robust prism]

but new companies will come along

[lost isle]

Right at the end of the video

[leaden bison]

We’re sorry but not about our sponsor seasonic save up to 30% on all power supplies

[novel folio]

Will they? We are likely just a small vocal minority that care

[lost isle]

Fr lmfao

[timid needle]

i love seasonic

[robust prism]

it is a large vocal minority in terms of audience pressure but give it a week and that’ll change.

[lost isle]

I haven't used seasonic yet, but I still recommend them along with other brands when it comes to psus

[leaden bison]

When they do something about Madison and improve their videos maybe I’ll re subscribe

[robust prism]

People will forget about it by the time gamescom starts if ltt doesn’t have some new fuckup.

[leaden bison]

Corsair are pretty good

And cooler master

[lost isle]

Probably a comment at best

[glad meadow]

You'll likely never hear about anything that publicly addresses Suop's thread.

[leaden bison]

Yeah that makes sense

[lost isle]

Otherwise, nada

[timid needle]

depends on the price really. my focus px 850 was 140 bucks 2 years ago. price randomly went up and it's still costlier than when i got it 🤷‍♂️ .

[leaden bison]

Yeah seasonic is EXPENSIVE

[lost isle]

That's why you should use linus' sponsored segments by seasonic 💀

[timid needle]

arent those murica deals only

[lost isle]

Idk

[glad meadow]

I'm also not 100% confident that her recollection here is completely on LTT as a company.

I'm very sure that the allegations around sexual misconduct and overbearing/dismissive management are true. But I'm also very sure that it's a cutthroat industry with a lot of pressure that not everyone is cut out for.

[lost isle]

Just trying to make a jab at lmg and their sponsorships

[glad meadow]

I'm sure it's a combination of both of those things - LTT can be a shit employer and she may not be the kind of person that thrives in a pressure cooker environment.

[cinder gate]

nah even if you ignore the stuff that could be explained as a high workload (which we shouldn't do) there's still a mountain of shit

[tawdry peak]

The overworked and grindset part, yeah, that's (sadly) a part of the industry that goes beyond tech. But the office culture and sexual harassment are inexcusable.

[cinder gate]

being called slurs isn't ok

being mocked for asking for better tools for your work isn't ok

[glad meadow]

I already said that both of those things can be (and are very likely) true.

[cinder gate]

and the unfavourable treatment when requesting items

and being told off for voicing disagreements, even when those disagreements are just speaking up for yourself

and almost everything else she said

[glad meadow]

I never said that those things didn't happen/aren't present.

[robust prism]

I see your point on how this could be at least slightly out of proportion, but at the same time it’s still well beyond normal, at least by my perception.
That being said, I’m personally waiting on at least one other person to step forward

[cinder gate]

Most of the things she mentioned were of that nature

[glad meadow]

I said that a pressure cooker environment also exists and might add to the issues.

Especially if someone can't handle the work.

[robust prism]

her perspective is entirely valid, and I know you don’t disagree with that at all.
just waiting on more perspectives to add to the list.

[glad meadow]

I'm happy that she's finally able to get this shit off her chest and be heard, and holding LTT accountable for that is important.

[tawdry peak]

Allegedly two former female LMG employees subtly expressed displeasantries for their time there when Madison left.

[glad meadow]

But I know that even good companies feel like shit when you're in a fast-paced work environment. I worked in a startup for 3 years, I burnt out hard.

[lost isle]

Oh yeah i forgot they're trying to redeem themselves by putting testing methodology behind floatplane

How does that make sense

[stiff vortex]

Yeah that's v uncool.

[robust prism]

for the love of +500mhz oc

[lost isle]

Ah yes to see our ways of testing you have to pay us, nothing in this world is free buddy, sorry

[robust prism]

this goddamn company man

[stiff vortex]

I do hope they revert on that.

[robust prism]

I remember Linus’ stream years and years ago where he talked about consumerism and how he wanted to retire cause he felt as if he were being roped into a rabbit hole he’d never escape with his soul intact

feels like the last time I’ve seen him alive

cause that prophecy came true almost instantly and never faltered

[lost isle]

My guess is that they won't. That's like impossible bc they are losing some money as it is, they need something

[stiff vortex]

They get "something" from being better, improving and gaining back their reputation organically. Pumping margins and paywalling is directly against that.

They know what they need to do. I honestly think the floatplane paywall was an oversight. Or I really hope it was

[lost isle]

Idk chief

[cinder gate]

I think my issue with this statement is that it's not really relevant to the majority of the issues raised

And saying it's a combination kind of diminishes what they claim LTT staff did

Even in a high stress situation, this isn't ok

When I would reach out to managers and try to get help with these situations, I would be told to "put on my big girl pants" and be "more assertive". ```

That's not an appropriate way to speak to someone

Either is this

In that meeting the writers room was pointed to and I was asked
"do you think any of these people would have a hard time getting a job?"

I said no (keep in mind this was about a month into working there)

I was then pointed to and asked "What about you?" 

[glad meadow]

Is it ok? No.

[cinder gate]

Even if she wasn't handling the stress, it doesn't change the response

It literally doesn't affect the situation at all

Because what's being claimed here isn't that she was responding poorly to the workload

[glad meadow]

Can it help explain why everyone is on edge? Maybe.

[cinder gate]

it's management's response to her

[cinder gate]

Then it's still LTT problem, not madison problem

[glad meadow]

I never said it wasn't.

[cinder gate]

Ah

phrasing problem then

[glad meadow]

I said it can be a contributing factor

Problems compound problems

[cinder gate]

When you say it's a combination of issues it implies that madison is part of the problem

I know you don't mean that

[glad meadow]

It's entirely possible that she's just not the kind of person that works well in a fast paced environment and that compounds her issues. It's also possible that all other staff is experiencing the same pressure and that leads to frustration and emotional responses to otherwise common workplace issues.

Everything is a factor, but pointing it out doesn't diminish the issues at play. I'm only aiming to understand the big picture.

[warm herald]

Sounds like a big problem is

• High demand for content
• General lack of availability from any of the content creators because they also have high demand for content

Sounds like a pain in the ass workplace

I can empathize

[elfin nacelle]

but they have a gaming room

for gaming

I do miss the vlog stuff somewhat, they don't put those on youtube anymore

[stiff vortex]

ofc therefore it's all fine yeah....

[warm herald]

Tfw trying to get an app revision done but my QA team has been stolen by another initiate and my lead dev is working on another project

[stiff vortex]

(sarcasm)

[warm herald]

That's not agile >:(

[leaden bison]

I watched the new video and it’s actually ok I hope they stay true to their word

And also privately resolve the Madison thing

[pulsar depot]

It doesn’t sound like a “Madison” thing, from prior comments from other staff this appears to be another LTT thing as a whole

And Madison just wrote a bombshell of a post at the same time LTT has the spotlight on them for shit practices.

I’m just going to clarify ahead of time - I’m not saying the Madison thing is good in any way, I just don’t think that treatment is specific to one person, I think the entire company feels these problems to varying degrees

[leaden bison]

True

[hardy abyss]

holy jesus what did i wake up to

[honest yacht]

🍿

[leaden bison]

Madison from ltt a former employee spoke out about her horrible experience at LMG and ltt released a video that explains they will take time to fix their systems and engage with the community more

[hardy abyss]

yea i just saw the twitter messages
YIKES

[stoic sable]

and GN's response to Linus's forum response

oh nvm thats alr 23 hr ago

[leaden bison]

Yeah

[hardy abyss]

after GN's two videos, i thought nah LTT willl get through this cuz their casual audience will carry them

but after that madison bombshell? That's a killing blow

[uneven jetty]

My mom worked as an art director for CNN and this all sounds familiar. Very rushed production, high pressure, and people cursing and screaming at each other lol.

Hell was like that when I worked warehouse jobs.

Sadly not uncommon but also not healthy environment to work in. It takes a mental toll on you and you become very jaded.

[leaden bison]

They probably will resolve the Madison thing

Just the people who really care will stop watching I guess

[uneven jetty]

I missed the whole Madison thing, is that an ex employee?

[pulsar depot]

Yes

[glad meadow]

Yep, ex social media manager

[pulsar depot]

@uneven jetty

[uneven jetty]

Yah that will not be handled publicly.

[pulsar depot]

I’m sure it won’t be public, but the question stands if they’re going to do anything at all.

This is not the first time they’ve been called out as being a shit place to work for

[hallow elbow]

floatplane subs gone

kekw

[hardy abyss]

still 37k

[tribal magnet]

subplane

[hallow elbow]

theyve lost about 5k subs since the whole situation started btw

[honest yacht]

what's the last month look like

[hallow elbow]

estimating around 42k before the controversy, theres not a ton of data

[tribal magnet]

isnt Floatplane Lukes baby, i feel sorry for him

[honest yacht]

Where are these numbers coming from...?

[cobalt locust]

This apology video was sponsored by floatplane.

[cinder gate]

they have a count on their page

this looks like an external tracker of that count

[knotty reef]

thin air.

[cinder gate]

no they straight up have a counter on their page

[honest yacht]

can you link?

[cinder gate]

https://www.floatplane.com/channel/linustechtips/home

[cobalt locust]

I wonder if dbrand just releases a skin of them default dancing on a burning LMG building.

[honest yacht]

ok where's the graph lol

[cinder gate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

some external tracker

[pulsar depot]

Link please

[honest yacht]

[hallow elbow]

https://grafana.elizabeth.codes/public-dashboards/10023c4c479744e191760225708c0124?orgId=1&from=now-24h&to=now

[pulsar depot]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[honest yacht]

what a sample size

[pulsar depot]

Well nobody really cared till yesterday

[honest yacht]

[hallow elbow]

im tryna see the FP page on archive.org

infinite load lmao

[leaden bison]

I mean I unsubscribed from YouTube until they make good and accurate videos and billet labs gets compensation

[hallow elbow]

https://twitter.com/unsub17614

LTT FloatPlane Unsub Tracker - Updates Hourly (@unsub17614)

Followers

2

Tweets

1

Twitter

yeah so about 41k pre-controversy

[honest yacht]

good luck on that first part lol

[leaden bison]

I will hope

[severe crown]

Man the ltt video was so good

Actually saved if it wasn't for the twitter thread

[elfin nacelle]

it's a different thing

[severe crown]

I mean yes

But public opinion will remain on the negative train

[elfin nacelle]

"public opinion"

[severe crown]

All of GN's concerns appear to be getting addressed properly tho

[elfin nacelle]

the voices here mean next to nothing

[cinder gate]

I must've missed the part of the video where they talked about their sponsors and conflicts of interest

[uneven jetty]

Thanks, yah I don't doubt a lot of that happened.

[elfin nacelle]

they're not going to put something like that in a video that concerns outside parties directly

especially at their scale

[cinder gate]

of course

i'm only saying it in response to someone saying all of GN's concerns were addressed

They simply weren't

[severe crown]

I mean they quite literally did

[uneven jetty]

I don't think it's the full story but I can see a lot of that happening. Even in the videos you can kinda read between the lines of what the work environment is like there.

[cinder gate]

then i did miss it

who talked about it? @severe crown

[severe crown]

Their ceo

Towards the end

[uneven jetty]

Also probably depends on what department you work in like any bigish company.

[severe crown]

He actually even brought up an example of it

[severe crown]

How to be a pessimist 101

[elfin nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/hilarious-david-wailiams-britains-got-talent-thats-funny-lol-gif-25775083

[severe crown]

[leaden bison]

They fixed the price thing almost immediately

[cinder gate]

ah right he addressed it in a roundabout way

that's why i don't remember

I give it half marks

[brazen moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY

[severe crown]

I would say 2.4 million views on twitter is more than just voices here

[severe crown]

Congrats ur only 5.5 hours late

[brazen moth]

his wife sounds sincere but kinda unconvincing about the putting the foot down

[elfin nacelle]

I'm not talking about the madison stuff

[brazen moth]

downside not following them anymore

[severe crown]

Well i mentioned public opinion in connection to that impacting it so idk how its unrelated

[brazen moth]

TBH why is there only 1 segment of him when he's the reason all this drama began, 85% of the vid is other peep talking

[elfin nacelle]

Because he doesn't run the company.

[severe crown]

I unsubscribed and told youtube to not recommend their channels 🤓

[elfin nacelle]

technically speaking.

[brazen moth]

recently right?

[elfin nacelle]

He literally talked about it

[severe crown]

Yes and that's a good thing and exactly what should've happened in the first place

Watch the video lol

[brazen moth]

who knew the personal rant "not gonna spend $500 to retest when owning 50 billion dollar company" actually bite his arse less than 24 hours

[glad meadow]

She's not someone used to public speaking, for sure.

[uneven jetty]

Actually I think it better that he didn't speak much tbh. An apology coming from him might not sound as genuine as a bunch of other people going "yah, he screwed up and this is how we are going to address it."

[severe crown]

No real tech person is good at public speaking 🤓

[brazen moth]

90% all youtube comment calling the vid feels forced and not GN into the perspective when hes the reason this got put under the light

[uneven jetty]

New CEO guy seems competent in corporate PR and probably will clean up a lot of the internal mess. He's only been on the job for a few weeks.

[cinder gate]

It's pretty funny Linus thought he could get away with a terrible forum post and ended up getting the whole executive team in to make a video

[severe crown]

Ye i mean he isn't in charge

[tawdry peak]

Terran was North American regional head at Dell and Corsair

[severe crown]

Good that it's showing by now

[uneven jetty]

In all honesty might be better if Linus just steps back for a while they have enough on screen talent now.

[tawdry peak]

So he is decently knowledgeable at running a business

[elfin nacelle]

The people not used to public speaking are more likely to be very sure about what they say

I wouldn't call that being "good" at public speaking

[brazen moth]

interesting about the Billet Labs on how they have miscommunication problem, doesnt actually say how they never respond Billet been trying to get intouch with them for a long time now

[pulsar depot]

they stated precisely why they 'didnt respond' ; colton forgot to CC the contact at billet

[unreal tide]

only thing they were missing was the ukulele

[severe crown]

Yea I thought that was quite clear as well

[elfin nacelle]

please... watch the video

[severe crown]

Ltt intro

[brazen moth]

i am, i need to watch slowly cuz english isnt my first language, thats why im here while video playing to get the gist of the content

i need to digest it extra

[severe crown]

20 minutes is 19 minutes and 58 seconds longer than zoomer attention spans

[unreal tide]

i’m not watching that video, they’re not getting a single more view from me. the madison shit is enough for me to write them off completely

[elfin nacelle]

but you're making comments that are literally addressed in the video..

[pulsar depot]

its missing subway surfers in the bottom left

[brazen moth]

what is the madison shit?

[pulsar depot]

check pins

[tawdry peak]

pin

[glad meadow]

Very untrue.

[cinder gate]

The context is that madison is a former employee at LTT

[brazen moth]

its not comment? it was question, i trying to get confirm

[severe crown]

(I was joking)

[elfin nacelle]

It's literally in the video..

[cinder gate]

@brazen moth It would still be best for you to try and digest the video properly first

[tawdry peak]

Watch the video, read the Madison thread.

[elfin nacelle]

this isn't a question, it's an off the cuff comment about not watching the video

[brazen moth]

ye i dont get it, maybe its becoz of the barrier language, thats why im reasking it if someone could reanswer it on different word,

kinda hard already when the caption is unavailabe and the auto generated one seems incorrect

[true gyro]

sexual harassment/could even be called abuse if the claims aren't exaggerated, overworking of employees, toxic workplace, resulted in an employee deliberately self harming herself, and later resigning

[unreal tide]

zero tolerance for the trivialization of sexual harassment and assault and misogyny

and that is on top of all the other fucked shit going on

[uneven jetty]

The Madison situation is missing a lot of context and we will probably never get a full answer. I'm not saying what happened to her did not happen but we don't know if the more egregious parts were systemic across the company or if it was a specific individual or individuals who didn't like her.

[cinder gate]

@brazen moth Colton replied to Billet, but forgot to actually include them in the list of recipients. That's it

[unreal tide]

100% abuse, she was inappropriately touched

and that’s on top of your standard workplace abuse

[brazen moth]

I see but I wanna know the other way around part, dont they get any Billet messages trying to reach out to them again? wouldnt they find it weird or did they ignore Billet effort trying to reach out, thats what im wondering

[ruby cave]

Damn

[ruby cave]

It's still a big fucking deal that somebody that worked at your company got sexually harrassed

I don't think that's something that should he swept under the rug

[uneven jetty]

I never said it wasn't

I never said it should.

[brazen moth]

Like id imagine it to be like this, my email inbox is getting contact by same company over and over where I thought we already conclude business with that said company, for a long while (as Billet acclaimed), wouldnt I be weird why is this company spamming my inbox/call trying to reach out again,

[unreal tide]

if she repeatedly complained about it multiple times and nothing was done about it

[ruby cave]

I get what you mean that we don't know who did it. But the lack of accountability and the fact that she was scared to EVEN ASK MANAGEMENT for help is what's worse

[unreal tide]

that is systematic by definition

[ruby cave]

Also linus immediately putting out a reply to the tech jesus vid is worse

[brazen moth]

tbh im not surprise if she got deal under the table to remain silence instead going on about it and making LTT look worse than its already is

[unreal tide]

the whole thing about ‘how do you like to fuck’ is absolutely insane to me

[ruby cave]

Like I know it's a big fucking deal but it looks so fucking delusional. He talks about transparency and accountability but then cries that it's being spun around???

[unreal tide]

you don’t need money to stay silent after something like that. PTSD is a hell of a disorder

[uneven jetty]

My company has 500k employees, I can guarantee you that sexual harassment has happened and will happen in the future. I can also say that the company has a very hardline stance on it. Once you reach a certain size it's something you have to deal with. Main thing is that it's not systemic and that the problem employees are delt with.

[ruby cave]

Absolutely braindead response

[unreal tide]

bruh

[brazen moth]

tbh its not at Blizzard level of sexual harassment, if they offered me hush money about toxic enviroment its still not as bad

like how do you even downplay stealing breast milk at workplace

[true gyro]

wait what the fuck

[brazen moth]

id rather not get into it atm since its LTT drama, not Blizz old drama channel, so you can pretty much look it up

iirc remember theres a reddit post list down all of them

[ruby cave]

Absolutely braindead.

Foth with transparency being warped into a bad thing

[unreal tide]

my brother in christ if it has happened and will happen on the future it IS systematic. nobody is denying that every once in a while you get a bad egg, but its been made clear over the decades that the tech sector is not amenable to women working in it in the slightest. and unless i’m reading the tweets wrong, she faced this shit from multiple people and the higher ups trivialized it.

[uneven jetty]

If thats true yah thats a bad look, but truth is we don't know what was and wasn't done. All I have to say on it. I'm not defending LTT but I'm not pulling out my pitchfork just yet without more information and context.

[ruby cave]

It is a bad thing dumbass it's not something that's just a bad thing when it's a literal problem

[unreal tide]

a company of 80 something people is not ‘too big to handle’

[glad meadow]

125+ likely right now.

[ruby cave]

Idk man with the video they released about the whole employees wanting less videos being released to how the backpack wanshow thing went

[glad meadow]

They passed 100 people a long time ago

[unreal tide]

and none of this is even addressing the other workplace abuse of the vanilla variety

[unreal tide]

this was in 2021

[ruby cave]

It seems more and more likely that linus seems to be absolutely deaf into actually doing something

[brazen moth]

I reach Linus part segment on video, but from start till 50% is how he still justify and reason his action, 25% bring up what went wrong and the other final 25% is his "apology"

not even a mention on Gamer Nexus or apology to him lmao

[ruby cave]

So nothing of value

Guys absolutely braindead on response

[pulsar depot]

and i feel it was directly intentional they do not reference him by name. Theyre not trying to respond to GN. Theyre trying to respond to the situation.

[brazen moth]

im guessing by tmr this comment gonna get more upvote like that steam comment about how r34 overwatch modder works harder than overwatch team

[uneven jetty]

I'm probably not the best person to speak to this tbh. I read through everything and a lot of what she mentions I have personally experienced over the years. I have even had a female coworker say sexually explicit things to me and trick me into viewing porn on her phone while at work just to get an uncomfortable reaction out of me. I honestly didn't even realize that was sexual harassment until years later when I sat down and processed a lot of things.

[severe crown]

I don't think GN wants Linus to apologize to him

His entire point was that lmg needs to step up their game

And serve the community and other parties they've done wrong right

[brazen moth]

well at least thank for actually pointing out the flaw imo, outright not mention after giving him their bizarre respond that blow up the situation feels weird

[severe crown]

I don't think it's weird but it's hard to explain why

[pulsar depot]

GN didnt bring anything new to light that wasnt already known. They brought already known information to light with their platform. There is no apology to GN to be made, if you ask me.

[brazen moth]

why tho, i dont get it, maybe Steve dont want Linus apology but at least some sort minor acknowledgement might mend some situation imo

[pulsar depot]

.

[brazen moth]

IG

[cinder gate]

I’m sorry you went through that

Did your work not have any sexual harassment training?

[pulsar depot]

it feels systematic throughout the US that these trainings are often scoffed at and not taken seriously to any degree.

[brazen moth]

dont these usually comes after sexual harassment happened by HR?

They only taken serious after it happened

[cinder gate]

Any large company would have mandatory sexual harassment training among all their other mandatory training

[ruby cave]

Like as much as people are praising linus for thr apology letter

[cinder gate]

Or you’d at least hope

[ruby cave]

It filled with nothing and addresses nothing

[hardy abyss]

Who's praising it?

[cinder gate]

That’s a big shame

[brazen moth]

TBH after BestBuy mandatory racial training I kinda lost hope on big company from US

[ruby cave]

Like literally not even gonna talk about it on the wanshow?

[pulsar depot]

yeah, it really is, because its a very real and very big problem

[brazen moth]

you wont see that here, third world country as it maybe

[severe crown]

I don't think anyone thought the letter was good

[ruby cave]

And at the end he's telling the community to not raise their pitchforks?

[brazen moth]

"try be less white" in your guidebook training should had been red flag

[severe crown]

Did you watch the video

[ruby cave]

Seen a couple praising linus for it

No not yet

[cinder gate]

The fuck

[severe crown]

Well sure braindead fans

[ruby cave]

I doubt I even wanna watch the video

[hardy abyss]

Maybe not because Linus talking live would be another disaster

[severe crown]

Do that before commenting further lol