ltt-discussion

[winter kiln]

lmfao

[pulsar depot]

People will state half a sentence that sounds fancy, make that their title and thumbnail, and then not reference that thing anywhere outside of the .5 second joke they made

[safe pulsar]

this isnt new, im not bothered by it honestly

[winter kiln]

yes thats true but ltt sometimes makes a title that has NOTHING to do with the video at all

or like

only in the remotest sense possible

i often genuinely dont know what the video is about

but this extension helps

[pulsar depot]

I get why they do it and it’s not necessarily bad, just gives me little “oh fuck you” moments

[severe crown]

Yea i did think that title was really weird

And yeah i dont like their titles either

Just too far off

[winter kiln]

i honestly believe ltt is doing it wrong

a good title is catchy and you want to see more

with ltt you dont even know what its about

a lot of the time

[pulsar depot]

People like seeing linus complain apparently

[winter kiln]

true lmao

or its because they dont have time to make titles

top ctr people put careful consideration into their titles and thumbnails

[pulsar depot]

“That would cost us $3 in human labor and that is an unbearable cost”

[winter kiln]

$100, 200, 300 FIVE HUNDRED DOLLERS!

[pulsar depot]

Yeah, I’m not sure how much of a power point he thought that was, but it definitely missed the mark

[safe pulsar]

penny wise pound foolish

[pulsar depot]

“Our backpack costs $250 but we can’t stomach a $500 fix”

[winter kiln]

like all of these titles are just wack

really like this extension

i know ive said it before

but its very effective at communicating what the video is actually about

[safe pulsar]

i mean for cataloging, great. for getting people to click on it, not sure.

[sturdy granite]

This is very true. Its really disrespectful to chew up and spit out someone's project for a throwaway bit of content.

[winter kiln]

oh yeah it probably decreases their ctr which i dont care about

[young forum]

Both Linus in his posts and Billet in their replies (that expressly says it was their card) - https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15rxni4/our_public_statement_regarding_ltt/jwbrh0i/?context=3

[winter kiln]

and people fail to realize that prototypes are veeery expensive, especially for such a niche product

[safe pulsar]

only reason I click this is because I know GN and watch their HW news ocasionally. If you're randomly looking at cool RGB buildvids and this comes up no way you're clicking:

title doesnt even fit

[winter kiln]

definitely more than $800 lol

[safe pulsar]

thx

[winter kiln]

yeah thats true but gn strives to a small audience

[young forum]

It should be noted that the 'agreed upon price' conversation only happened after Steve's video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15rxni4/our_public_statement_regarding_ltt/

[winter kiln]

and the agreed upon "quote" was a number he hastily mentioned when lmg sold the block

[shell sentinel]

If I were them I would also be asking $2k for the GPU

[glad meadow]

The problem now is that I can't trust their testing - period.

[winter kiln]

true

[glad meadow]

I legit don't even know if their testing is valid, even if their results prove my personal assertions around the topic.

[hardy abyss]

wouldnt get as many clicks without some fancy clickbait

all clickbait, everyone does it

[winter kiln]

no ik that they wouldnt get as many clicks with these thumbnails

the problem is just that sometimes the title doesnt reflect the video AT ALL

[hardy abyss]

they can be very vague sometimes yes

[winter kiln]

most people now reveal some of the video but enough to keep you curious

ltt i literally dont know

it sucks

[safe pulsar]

not uncommon.

[winter kiln]

thats jayz tho

hes the same

lol

it is sorta uncommon

or well

i feel like it was more common and infamous but now its gotten less common

as creators realized not knowing anything about the video doesnt entice people to watch iot

[safe pulsar]

i feel like it was complained about generally for a bit, then people remembered some clickbaity works as long as you dont straight up lie.

[hardy abyss]

that's also where the thumbnail comes in

[sturdy granite]

That's the only kind of results I like. 😦

[winter kiln]

lmao jayz is even worse gruh

[hardy abyss]

gotta have a goofy face to match it

[safe pulsar]

but yeh, its annoying, agree with you there. but dont really see it as a critique vs all the other shit in this thread.

[winter kiln]

yeah lmao

but they have known that for long

[winter kiln]

nah i just wanted to rant about it

[safe pulsar]

once you have a good goof face it pays of reusing it for every vid. see mr beast.

[hardy abyss]

title alone wont get you to click, but a thumbnail + clickbait title would even with no knowledge bout video

[winter kiln]

yep exactly

[hardy abyss]

"Great video guys" I can't tell if it's a troll or @ complete mercy of LTT

[winter kiln]

lmao

[sturdy granite]

Sadly clickbait is a fact of YouTube.

And also remember: jauz and ltt are in a different space. Their content is routinely fed to millions of subscribers and those subscribers click reflexively. The title matters much less. Possibly not even at all.

Meanwhile if you're starting out, your title needs to be on point to get search clicks.

Or perhaps even hit the trial of a Google search result.

[winter kiln]

discord buggin?

[sturdy granite]

Like, I can pinpoint one specific moment when my videos and channel took off: YouTube linked a flight sim vid to the end of an obsidian ant vid on flight sim. The algo went to the moon.

[winter kiln]

nah this is just trying to be as nice as possible

[hardy abyss]

ltt and j2z attracts the ignorant & curious. All they need is clickbait

[sturdy granite]

The. It became a too ranked result of Google search for 'flight sim pc'. Vid went to 250k views. Subs went from 1k to 11k.

[hardy abyss]

no preconcieved knowledge required

[winter kiln]

yeah so they probs use less time on it

hence the royally shit titles

[sturdy granite]

They're British. Its sarcasm.

[hardy abyss]

that's what i thought

[winter kiln]

oh yeah ik that

when it often recommends you next to a very similar but popular video

[hardy abyss]

forums back up hell yea

[young forum]

I'd assume the cost of that is probably included as they said that they don't trust Linus to deliver anything to them.

[sturdy granite]

Eh, I'd say they've likely done ok overall out of this. The good guy exposure is likely worth a prototype and a 3090ti at this point.

[winter kiln]

but then again, wasnt development halted due to the lack of their best prototype?

one that you dont just make real quick

[sturdy granite]

Yeah but they say they're doing ok now. And they likely learned some valuable lessons.

[winter kiln]

and also most people just saw the original video with an $800 block meanwhile temps are 20c higher

[winter kiln]

ah okay

thats good

[hallow elbow]

hm. i've noticed ever since the controversy started, the videos have been coming out at later and later times

[sturdy granite]

Most people aren't in the market for $800 water blocks, and people who are will know Linus is a hack. They need to target their market better.

[winter kiln]

yeah thats true, but they hit an exposure goldmine tbf

[hardy abyss]

i imagine there's still a lot of people w/ money that watch linus, so they'd buy that $800 water block for the hell of it

[hallow elbow]

their latest video came out at 2am bst, i dont think an ltt video has come out that late in over a year

and it seems like the pattern's continuing

[sturdy granite]

Staff be crunching to hit that release schedule whilst Linus bashes out angry forum posts and waves cash at some little people to make them go away.

He needs like a month off and some good sleep. With no internet.

[hallow elbow]

maybe get luke to host some shit again, i miss luke hosting videos

[hardy abyss]

does luke have 0 shares in the company?

dayum shayum

[winter kiln]

only linus and his wife

afaik

[shell sentinel]

It is very possible other people have some amount of equity in some way, especially the people way up

They wouldn't have to disclose it cause it's a private company

[winter kiln]

didnt he say theyre keeping all shares?

[shell sentinel]

IDK

I dont actually follow him that closely

[jolly raptor]

Luke needs to be more involved, his takes are very level headed and honestly we might see a worse Linus is Luke wasnt on WAN show

[winter kiln]

"yvonne and i are still the sole shareholders and directors of the company"

[shell sentinel]

also, there are way where someone could keep all "voting shares" while still sharing equity in the company

[hallow elbow]

i havent been keeping up, what's the issue with ltt

something to do with inaccurate test info right

[hardy abyss]

low effort correcting mistakes

mistakes happen, it's how you handle it what counts

focus on quantity over quality

and just havin a hard time owning upto mistakes

[winter kiln]

rush videos out the door
disregard accuracy and trustworthiness to spend less + make more videos (for more sponsors and money)
completely fucking over billet labs, 2 man company
being a complete dick about it
"nooo!! we didnt steal the one of a kind monoblock from billet labs and sell it without permission... we auctioned it "

misrepresenting intentions and playing semantics

etc

[shell sentinel]

"This sucks."

was it this or Today?

[winter kiln]

day RUINED!

wdym

[shell sentinel]

"Today sucks."

it was Today not this

that is literally how he finished his response on the forums

[hallow elbow]

okay okay now im all caught up

[sturdy granite]

Watch the camera nexus video

[hallow elbow]

ok

[winter kiln]

oh yeah

lmao

[shell sentinel]

camera nexus

[winter kiln]

camera nexus

my favourite youtuber

[sturdy granite]

There used to be some great camera content. Then Cameras died. Lol.

[shell sentinel]

stares at GenICam standard I work with daily

just no one can afford the cameras I work with

[hallow elbow]

i love a camera

love to 'Shoot' a 'Photograph'

[winter kiln]

in an alternate reality

[hallow elbow]

the title "the problem with linus tech tips" reminds me of that screenshot of like two christian furries arguing through rant videos

[hallow elbow]

wonder if linus will lay out the books for everyone and like. clarify all this stuff

[robust prism]

he’s not even in charge.

The people in charge don’t have a blank slate either, although that isn’t indicative of what they’d do going forward

[hallow elbow]

(my own silly speculation) i recall linus saying at some point on the wan show that the majority of the channel's lifespan has always been "go go go, we have to put out the next thing and the next thing and the next thing or it's over for us and we will become irrelevant" and while that may have been true back in the day i think that's still baked into the company culture in a way when, clearly, based on the staff count and the resources at their disposal, it obviously no longer needs to be like that

like that's my theory on why all this wrong info is getting past editors and revisions and why linus won't spend a little more on labor to get the data right

[robust prism]

That’s my concern with the new people in charge; their previous policies only indicate that the company as a whole still falls under the “quantity over quality” mindset to a very skewed degree.

The decisions with Linus in charge were terrible, yes, but the new acquisition only accelerates these discrepancies.

[hallow elbow]

mhm, my next thought was like "are the new leadership going to scale back the upload schedule and enjoy the hard-earned throne?" and then i came back to earth

[robust prism]

mh… no acquired companies ever do that.

[hallow elbow]

i remember linus saying at some point that just about every video needs at least a million views for the company to break even on any given video and that + his refusal to justify spending more on labor for accuracy's sake also makes me wonder what the financial situation looks like

[robust prism]

Quality really does decrease with projected market value.

[hallow elbow]

like if they're barely keeping their head above water to keep everyone paid or something

[robust prism]

The company makes a lot.

[hallow elbow]

theres a lot of time spent playing up the 100 mil valuation in the critiques but like obviously a valuation doesn't mean liquid assets yknow? so i'm over here like... what tf is going on

[robust prism]

It’s not about cutting costs, it’s about margins. The difference between the two is that the first is usually a drastic measure to save cost, and the other is purely to boost margins.

Linus was a margins guy. So are the new people in charge.

[hallow elbow]

yeah that's where i'm at too. like i don't want to believe linus is a penny pincher type of guy like that but it makes sense and it's kind of the obvious conclusion

[robust prism]

I’ve been following the ltt inaccuracy for years now; it’s like watching a chatbot, they occasionally say completely incorrect things, especially when it comes to certain engineering conclusions.
I guess this is just the first time that it’s become so blatant that it’s affecting what the average consumer would need in terms of accurate information.

But yeah, this has been going on for years, seems like it’ll continue to go on.

[fossil dust]

The main question is who got the prototype of Billet Labs? And why is that buyer still not commenting on the issue? I am finding it hard to believe that some random guy just bought it from an auction.

[hallow elbow]

sad days ahead

i hope lmg makes good on their claim that they'll reimburse billet labs at least

[robust prism]

People don’t usually come forward with that kind of thing if there’s no personal incentive to

Say the evga 4090 buyer. Never came forward, which is the smart move

[shell sentinel]

it was not a competitor, atleast that is what Billet was told

[cerulean pebble]

Not their problem either way. Up to LMG to compensate billet

[shell sentinel]

it was an independant party

granted Linus told him that

but

[hallow elbow]

love to have the prototype crucial to the functioning of my small business in the hands of Some Guy Somewhere

[robust prism]

Feels like this’d fall into heavy lawsuit territory but I’m nowhere close to a lawyer.

[shell sentinel]

the issue is a lawsuit would be a shitshow

these are 2 guys in the UK

who would be suing a decently sized company in Canada

[hallow elbow]

yeah the power imbalance here is next level

[frigid tusk]

yall see the reddit post?

from billet

linus theft tips is real

[shell sentinel]

I saw a bunch of it yea, they dont want the block back anymore anyways

[robust prism]

Linus is in over his head yet won’t back out. He’s been in over his head for years and keeps getting back up.
It’s sad watching him screw himself like this over and over.
I really don’t want to concentrate this discussion on Linus cause it’s a lot more at play, but man.

[pulsar depot]

(this entire thread is concentrated on linus )

[cerulean pebble]

Has the billet labs statement about choosing money over getting the block back been posted yet?

[robust prism]

I think his actions entirely make sense given his situation, which really fucking sucks.

[cerulean pebble]

Thats the one im talking about lol

[robust prism]

just hope it never comes to a day where a gamersnexus-discussion thread is started

[pulsar depot]

[robust prism]

we’re running out of layman journalistic sources on consumer hardware choices.

[frigid tusk]

eh linus is still a dick for lying and then responding to billet after steves video went up

i personally dont give a shit about the errors he makes in videos, thats at least fixable

[robust prism]

god it’s so fucking funny that I can see the new owners doing the exact same fucking thing

I don’t want to judge them before they do anything, but based on their previous business decisions in their previous professions… not great.

[formal garnet]

classic

[cerulean pebble]

The errors are a big problem.

[robust prism]

Really hope they do a strong 180 and recognize how important confidence in ltt is.

[cerulean pebble]

There should be no errors, at all in their content.

[pulsar depot]

Did they even address any of the issues regarding quality of content or did they just refute the block issue

[formal garnet]

I also saw in GN's first video where they showcased a few ltt employees talking about how rushing to publish videos in such a short timespan has degraded the quality of videos, i think that's a good point tbh

[robust prism]

errors are one thing. Everyone has errors, although ltt has a drastic amount for the quality they could produce with even their current resources. The ability to respond well is another, and the pr guy is from asus

[formal garnet]

GN did, LTT idk if they did/didn't

[frigid tusk]

not as big as billet labs but yes

its bad

[hallow elbow]

linus should retire and become a childrens musician

he could be the next rafi

[robust prism]

wait it was at LTX????

what the fuck

[frigid tusk]

yeah

[formal garnet]

[robust prism]

oh my god. that’s terrible

[shell sentinel]

that is insane

[pulsar depot]

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was real but it feels too stupid to be real

[robust prism]

If we take his words at face value now it’d be “yeah so I auctioned this prototype owned by someone else that I know is terrible and doesn’t perform well and is a waste of money, for a very high price in promotion of my big money making consumerist marketing event.

But it’s ok cause it’s for charity.”

[hallow elbow]

the charity of meipoquette

[cursive beacon]

And they don't even know who won what

[formal garnet]

are we sure this is a "professional" company?

Why wouldn't they keep a record of items matched with individuals who won

I don't get it

[hallow elbow]

i feel like at this rate next thing we find out is the water bottles give people cancer or something

[shell sentinel]

they lost the sheet

[formal garnet]

man

that's such a stupid or the biggest bullshit mistake

[robust prism]

to be fair this happens all the time in other consumer tech companies

[honest yacht]

Let me remind you the clowns that run some of the biggest companies in the world

[robust prism]

Losing a buyer’s list is surprisingly common when it comes to giveaways for marketing at physical events, which is the main form of consumer tech auctions or giveaways here in China

It’s just funny to see a conglomerate of consumer negligence in this industry packed into one person: Linus.

[hallow elbow]

yuuuup

[robust prism]

he saw this coming like half a decade ago

[frigid tusk]

this one fp linus shill

god

[hallow elbow]

i feel like pinning everything on linus personally kind of absolves a lot of other people who were also responsible in all this fuckery

like whoever is not keeping on track with sending what to who and ended up causing the entire billet labs thing

we're goofing around a bit ofc but still

[robust prism]

Well, he’s the ceo

Kinda his job to have responsibility pinned on him.

but I agree with the point, but I feel like it’s even more concerning to worry about others, cause the others are at least as unlikely to change as Linus.

[hallow elbow]

"he's the administrator of this whole vile business."

[honest yacht]

except he's not lol

[elfin nacelle]

that is kinda how the hierarchy works

your employee's fuck up is your fuck up

If he wants to pin it on someone else, he certainly can, he won't thou

[hallow elbow]

fair

[young forum]

@hallow elbow ultimately he's the owner of the company, plus he has had a direct hand in many of the issues. That said, some of the other staff also need to clean up their act.

[elfin nacelle]

he's also playing head of PR

so

[hallow elbow]

he should pin all the blame on me

[cursive bramble]

Linus could fix this stuff if he could just call 🎵 Brian the Electrician 🎵

[hallow elbow]

Here's How Linus Can Still Win

[cursive bramble]

I mean, other staff incompetency aside, he did flat out say in his Wan show with his own mouth that the Billet prototype was a expensive failure, wouldn't want others to buy it, and complains that re-testing it "requires spending 100-300+ dollars"

Yet he spends like 1-10k weekly on his Server lmfao

[young forum]

I think he decided it was a bad product and was happy to bash it no matter what. I mean, he admitted that even with a 20c reduction he would have said the same thing despite that being an amazing improvement.

So there wasn't a motive to fix his bad testing/faulty data.

[cursive bramble]

"I didn't sell it I auctioned it" is basically the same as Amber Turd's "I didn't hit you I slapped you"

[cursive bramble]

20C improvement of a hybrid CPU and GPU two-in-one block would be Amazing

What did linus expect, give it waterpool's amount of cooling performance?

The block sounds like a great idea for watercooled ITX builds

[formal garnet]

I think anyone who has some decent understanding of how companies are not dependant on just 1 person should know this already

Or how they work etc.

[hallow elbow]

planktonigetit.gif

[left gust]

Didn’t they say they sold the company to another CEO? At this point Linus is basically the face of the company if anything else

[robust prism]

Yep.

Except the time period of these decisions fall under his executive oversight

A bit higher in chat history I’d stated my opinions on the new ceo and pr.

[uneven jetty]

They "hired" a CEO. Big difference.

[left gust]

Aaah,

Point is that it sounds like he’s shirking responsibility

[uneven jetty]

Linus and his wife are either sole or majority shareholders so no matter what they are ultimately responsible as it is a private company.

[formal garnet]

But what about the pool man

The pooooool

[left gust]

At the end of the day though, I’ve heard some people here say that all that’s gonna happen is that LTT is just gonna wait it out for a month or so and then jump right back to business because the internet would’ve forgotten by then

Despite others in the tech tuber circle calling them out

[uneven jetty]

I mean I hope LTT has a nice big reflection moment and turns things arround. Like I like the intentions they have with the lab and I think it could be pretty cool if done right. They have the equipment. Just need to channel it properly.

[formal garnet]

Not forgotten but "not care" might be more appropriate

[pulsar depot]

get it... channel....

hah....

[uneven jetty]

I think they were also working on a website kinda like the user benchmark one but with lab tested results. Why they were leaning heavy into benchmark automation.

[formal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-cage-funny-laughing-happy-gif-14538106

[uneven jetty]

test automation is not uncommon but you have to tune it and have someone actually review the data for outliers.

I don't think hand running tests like hardware unboxed is scalable.

[left gust]

From what I was gathering, the big issue is quantity over quality. They increased their video output, but in the process let their standards slide because it’s more entertaining that way.

As long as the bottom line is met

Plus they know their general audience isn’t tech savvy enough to catch them without other tech tubers calling them out

[uneven jetty]

well yes that is the main issue. There is a gap between lab and production. They basically need someone who reviews every video before upload but they are pretty much just hitting the send it button ones the Premier project finishes rendering.

[left gust]

Also, I’ve been noticing more and more that he’s been kinda flippant about how they test or handle the product.

Like outside of the Billet episode everyone is zeroing in, I know Linus wants to present himself as that goofy, relatable tech guy you’re comfortable talking with. But the whole “ok, so we know it’s not exact but who cares? Close enough!” Feels more like that cousin who just kicks their car to get it to start

[hallow elbow]

the tldr of the whole situation is really just that lmg needs to take it easy for a while, pare down the upload schedule, and sort their shit out internally because the current company culture clearly is neither very practical nor sustainable

bc whatever theyre doing in there is clearly causing a ton of chokepoints and fuckups

they won't, but it's what they would ideally do

[formal garnet]

I feel like someone or a lot of people will get fired/laid off for this

Not Linus though, that's for sure

[final cipher]

Give it three weeks, then you might see long term impact

[left gust]

Nah, he’d have to do something SUPER egregious like that one guy who botched that PC giveaway so badly he tanked his whole company.

[final cipher]

Doubt

[formal garnet]

Ah okay, so this is not that bad 🙂

[hallow elbow]

i think it would take a lot to actually truly bring down lmg at this point. a big fuckup could probably force them to shrink as a company but like it'll survive no matter what. too many subscribers.

[left gust]

Would alienating themselves from the techtuber landscape impact them much?

Since it sounds like a lot of other TechTubers aren’t keen on associating with them for the time being

[hallow elbow]

i kinda doubt it, just because i feel like the average ltt viewer isn't subscribed to a ton of other tech channels and regularly on the lookout for different perspectives in that way. like they're not really invested in "techtube" as a concept

[left gust]

Hell, would sponsors care?

[formal garnet]

you think their screwdrivers will go on a sale?

[jade vale]

Why would they

[uneven jetty]

I'm thinking about buying some GN screw drivers

[formal garnet]

Idk, I had a dream of getting that screwdriver some time ago

Maybe it'll become true

[hallow elbow]

is it a good screwdriver

[left gust]

I dunno. If I was a major sponsor and then I found out a company I was associating with botches their reviews enough I’d reconsider sending them free stuff

[pulsar depot]

$50 for a kit instead of $70 for 1

[left gust]

Or at the very least wonder if I should let these guys have early access to proprietary tech.

[hallow elbow]

integrity for sale get yours right here

[pulsar depot]

(shut up i know LTTs has replaceable bits)

[uneven jetty]

yah this might impact review units more than anything. Like LTT will still get stuff from the big companies but the smaller ones are defiantly going to think twice now.

[final cipher]

I don't have any issue with the screwdriver. I think the bag is a bit of a miss.

I have fancy tools

[pulsar depot]

i want to pin this but my better judgement wont let me

[left gust]

I’d imagine LTT would have to screw up really bad for the big boys to cut them loose

[final cipher]

If I wasn't fully invested in Wera I'd maybe get the LTT one

[uneven jetty]

whats wrong with the bag other than the warenty drama?

[final cipher]

Warranty and price are totally out of line with the rest of the market.

Bag like that should be $125-160 from Timbuk2, NF, Patagonia, with no questions asked global replacements.

[pulsar depot]

its priced as a designer bag when its just youtuber merch

[uneven jetty]

I guess, price is kinda whatever to me as it's relitive. If they have the quality as advertised I can see it costing that much. Not saying you can't get something comparable for cheaper.

[final cipher]

LMG has also never made a bag before. Are they prepared to support it when it fails in 5 years? I've walked into north face stores with broken bags and walked out with a new model of the same bag same day.

[formal garnet]

Do you think people who have LTT merch are reconsidering their decisions?

[hallow elbow]

the actual title is still so funny to me bc i read "why is everyone buying this mic" and my first thought was some big tiktok idiot probably recommended it to the clueless at some point and it has a snazzy enough design to move units. like the blue yeti or those awful snowballs from a while back.

[pulsar depot]

wait fuck i have like 10 ripped to shit northface bags

[final cipher]

I love my Short Circuit hoodie and the water bottle is decent, I'm not.

[formal garnet]

This is the way

[hallow elbow]

i mean i have a water bottle and it's fine as long as it doesn't give me cancer or anything

but with my luck and the way things are going i half expect that to be the next big thing

[uneven jetty]

As much as people shit on Apple this is a major reasion I own their phones. I can often get same day replacements unlike other options.

[jade vale]

Don’t live in California then

[hallow elbow]

rip california

anyway yeah the bag is ridiculously expensive and too precarious of a purchase

[uneven jetty]

I had an swolen battery in my iPhone X and they swapped it out same day no questions asked. I did not even have Apple care and it was 2 years old.

[final cipher]

@uneven jetty basically my argument with the bag is that a Timbuk2 Authority exists. You're paying +$100 for the YouTuber name, with no real support network in place on the back end.

[formal garnet]

Palestine, OH says hi

[hallow elbow]

linus himself said "always buy the most popular phone bc it's the one that'll still be getting updates and still have replacement parts in 5 years" and you can apply that to a lot of things

[uneven jetty]

yah I get that

[final cipher]

The screwdriver is way more competitive.

I am into tools and it reviews well and is priced well

Only real downside is the half height bits

Which doesn't matter if you're just building PCs

It does matter if you want to use bits with other stuff though

[hallow elbow]

the way linus flips it so smoothly is kinda hot

[jade vale]

I love my weras

Hella exp tho

[final cipher]

But I'm a Wera boye

[uneven jetty]

I wonder if Linus is considered a competitor to my company as they sell a screw driver

[final cipher]

Turbodriver take me home. @jade vale

[hallow elbow]

maybe we should sell a screwdriver

[final cipher]

https://www.amazon.com/Kraft-Form-Kompakt-Turbo-Pieces/dp/B085CS5CH2

[jade vale]

I made a mistake of getting some no brand torque wrench

Never again

[final cipher]

Shit will change your life

[uneven jetty]

I still remember spending like 30 min looking for a screwdriver at work one time...

[final cipher]

I just wish I could justify the wrenches

[uneven jetty]

I fucking work for a company that sells screwdrivers.

and our office had none within easy access.

[jade vale]

Luckily I managed to get my organisation to pay for them

[final cipher]

[uneven jetty]

I have a craftsman set of wrenches I use.

[final cipher]

Pittsburgh is fine, but I'd like the ratcheting Jokers

https://www.amazon.com/Wera-05020013001-Combination-Wrench-Set-Pieces/dp/B00BT0AYG0/

[uneven jetty]

I dont like racheting drivers tbh. Why I'm looking at the GN set.

[final cipher]

Turbo driver 😍

One turn is 6 turns of the bit

Bits are all super long too

[uneven jetty]

I am super tempted to grab this though https://www.amazon.com/Wera-950-Hex-Plus-L-Key-Wrench/dp/B009ODV0OE/

[uneven jetty]

I run into issues where I can't fit drivers with changeable bits into the screw wells for older consoles.

[final cipher]

So the turbo driver having very long bits gets around this

[uneven jetty]

so it's nice to have a set of fixed head drivers.

[uneven jetty]

[final cipher]

https://www.amazon.com/Kraft-Form-Kompakt-Turbo-Pieces/dp/B085CS5CH2

Look at the bits

[uneven jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/lovesick-this-big-big-like-this-gif-19466516

I'll consider it.

[hardy abyss]

GN's big AMD lab tour video only has 439k views in one month.
LTT video has almost 3m in one day. I can see why GN tends to go for some drama

[lost lynx]

don't think its drama eh

[hardy abyss]

it causes drama amongst the community, even if it's not necessarily GN's main intention

can already see it on the LTT forums, just users slinging at eachother

[lost lynx]

fair

[hardy abyss]

GN for sure wouldve forseen this kind of reaction

[formal garnet]

They also took risk for their own

Potentially being a target

[young forum]

@hardy abyss when there is a strong enough parasocial relationship, such as the one between Linus and a chunk of his fans, there would be drama no matter what.

And, honestly, LTT has been having issues for long enough that someone needed to call them out (particularly after LTT staff were attacking other reviewers).

[hardy abyss]

what GN did was great

[final cipher]

also also, Linus is not LTT

he should do some thinking on that

[hardy abyss]

by no means faulting GN for chasing more dramatic results as he's doing great for the review space

[young forum]

@final cipher ehhh, he is the majority owner and his wife is the minority owner plus he's been the CEO until recently (and still can override the new CEO if he wanted to).

Effectively LTT is Linus' personal project that happens to employ a growing team of people. Although that's probably not a good thing if he wants to run it like a more legitimate business and not a personal YouTube project.

[hardy abyss]

i find myself watching GN more for his expose videos than his product reviews

kinda feels like their niche when there is no notable hardware reviews going on

i dont want to say....... the cofeezilla of the computer hardware space

[final cipher]

then the whole "I'm not CEOI anymore" thing is pointless, IMO

[uneven jetty]

we kinda need one though lol. I love cofeezilla.

[hardy abyss]

hell yea

[uneven jetty]

I mean that dude is getting legit death threats lol.

[hardy abyss]

yep, risking not only their brand, but their lives

i respect it

going against the big bads

[final cipher]

what's this?

[cursive beacon]

I'm still surprised it took someone this long to notice the errors in LTT videos

[stiff vortex]

He's not coffee. Zilla, gamer's Nexus is selfless and cares about the community and consumers more than their own reputation. That is admirable, I don't think they are quite coffeezilla.....yet

[uneven jetty]

cofeezilla is a big YouTuber calling out crypto scams, well scams in general.

[stiff vortex]

They've noticed forever now, they just finally decided to make it now

[cursive beacon]

Nah people are acting surprised

[hardy abyss]

LTT fanboys prob?

[cursive beacon]

Maybe it's because nobody was watching LTT reviews anymore

[hardy abyss]

nah they still watchin it

too big not to watch

but their rep did take a hit

[stiff vortex]

It's been casuals for the most part that are being surprised. I don't think any true enthusiasts are surprised

[young forum]

Oh, I definitely agree it is - it really seems like Linus just wanted to shift some of the boring aspects to someone else.

[stiff vortex]

Just took a dip into LTT Reddit, a lot of float plan subscribers have left, and people have decided not to buy their merch after this response

[hardy abyss]

i noticed LTT's errors, but gave them a chance becuase their heavy lab investment looked very promising. It seemed like a simple case of working out the kinks

[uneven jetty]

I wont lie I was a LTT apologist for a while. I like their content for entertainment value. But GN made some very good points and the response was disappointing from LTT as a favorable neutral bystander. Like I was never originally an LTT hater.

[stiff vortex]

Fun, jank ✅

[formal garnet]

I just find this hilarious as fuck

Yesterday I thought to myself

[cursive beacon]

Like I've noticed a while that LTT's numbers looked like they were generated out of chatgpt's ass for a while

[stiff vortex]

I still have a fairly positive of LTT. Nothing's changed

[formal garnet]

"They're gonna respond in such a lacking way, a lot of people will be pikachu face"

and it happened

[young forum]

@uneven jetty I never liked their technical reviews but things like Scrapyard Wars were fun, although they don't really do that type of thing anymore.

[formal garnet]

Am I manifesting reality perhaps

[hardy abyss]

i wasnt an LTT hater either. Still aint after GN's first video. BUT that response was absolutely pathetic ...... im edging close

[cursive beacon]

Like hell even UBMs numbers were accurate in comparison to LTT's

300% my ass

[uneven jetty]

I like GN stuff to. I have actully bought the GN rubber mod mat lol.

[cursive beacon]

Scaled up volta for the 4th time isn't going to be 3x better than the third time

[final cipher]

I have GN's mousepad and Linus' bottle on my desk right now

I'm a shill

[stiff vortex]

I'm wearing LTT underwear

[hardy abyss]

no merch from either, cuz im too cheap

[young forum]

@cursive beacon I really don't understand how you wouldn't recheck that result. If it's real that's amazing and you'd want more proof, but it's almost certainly an error (as it turned out to be).

[uneven jetty]

To be fair I had been looking for a long time and he just happened to release a product that ticked all the boxes I was looking for.

[stiff vortex]

Same here

I'll still buy and rec their products, and entertaining videos, while using gn and hwub for numbers

[cursive beacon]

https://vxtwitter.com/GPUsAreMagic/status/1583158702953353216

[stiff vortex]

They're an awesome step one to turn uninterested people into casuals. Step 2 is gamers nexus, step 3 would be AHOC, l1tech and the gang

[final cipher]

TBF I only bought the bottle cause the purple hoodie is great

and it is

[stiff vortex]

Love it

[cursive beacon]

L1techs and phoronix is the only remotely trustable numbers at this point

[merry fern]

lmao

[hardy abyss]

only 2 sources?

[stiff vortex]

L1t explores niches and lesser knows. I'll keep hwub in my bookmarks tho

[cursive beacon]

I mean HWUB has very weird results at times, and does makes huge mistakes that slip by more often more than other outlets

[hardy abyss]

i still watch hwub for convenience, but they do have weird results sometimes

[uneven jetty]

Ill be honest. I look at a few sources but diving deep into the numbers as a casucal consumer is just not worth it to me. I mainly buy based on easy avalibility over best price/perf.

[stiff vortex]

Avg results are Uber useful, even if we assume averages have greater margin of error. It's imperfect but useful nonetheless

[stiff vortex]

V tru

[hardy abyss]

i remember a couple years they didnt properly normalize their averages

so big fps numbers skewed the average a bit

[cursive beacon]

HUB completely fucked up raptorlake power scaling by using XTU

[stiff vortex]

[cursive beacon]

Instead of setting PL1/2 in uefi using XTU caused the 13900K to basically just die at lower power targets to put it kindly

And the video never got fixed

[stiff vortex]

Not great.

[cursive beacon]

Basically briefly admitted they were wrong on twitter and never did anything about it

[hardy abyss]

when did LMG create a pcmr brand?

[glad meadow]

Terrifying.

[viscid sluice]

Sir I beg for screenshots, in dms or here whatever rules permit.

[uneven jetty]

Even Glorious Master Race rebranded to just Glorious lol

[viscid sluice]

Shipping insurance exists, that is useless since nothing fucking happened in the shipping process. Maybe they took the risk of sending it because they fucking had insurance for the shipment, enough to cover the loss in case of shipping failure. They didn't take insurance out for LTT fucking auctioning their prototype. That's what lawsuits are for.

[fossil dust]

All they had to do was just stay in their respective spaces but they just cannot resist the urge to take shot at hardware unbox and gamers nexus. Of all the people they had to mention in that specific video. Theyre just asking...

[hardy abyss]

that $500 comment actually pisses me off

like what in the heck

[tawdry peak]

https://vxtwitter.com/inXile/status/1691534491100323840

HAHAHAHAHAHA

(game developer)

[fossil dust]

"WE DIDNT SELL IT, WE AUCTIONED IT." Imagine being in the receiving end of that scenario.

LOL

facepalm

[fossil iron]

Bruh Linus is getting canceled hard on latest tech quickie

[fossil dust]

It all went downhill on that specific video where they subtly/indirectly assert that they are now the standard of testing and they cannot even resist the urge to take shot and mention gamers nexus and hardware unbox. I think that was the last straw for Steve. LMG had lots of mistake history and these specific issues being resolved by the company are still questionable and now they are trying to declare that they have better testing systems.

[hardy abyss]

any of their latest videos are getting some memeworthy comments

[fossil iron]

I just saw it, it's wild, kinda crazy

I thought there would be alot more LTT stans

[fossil dust]

He was not being cancelled he was being advised and he doubled down instead of dealing with the issue.

I cant even believe how they made it bigger.

They could have just owned it

[fossil iron]

Oh that yeah, but the comment section is basically canceling him

[fossil dust]

People are just not amazed at how he treated gamers nexus and hardware unbox . and also billet labs

they act like they dont know what effects their actions made

[fossil iron]

Nothing related I see in comment, all just random things to jab at Linus

[fossil dust]

they claim to be smart so it was not unintentional if thats the case

Watch gamers nexus and read Linus comments

coming from the horses mouth

he doubled down with a sense of smirk

[fossil iron]

That yeah, I'm just looking at random video comments from random LTT videos

[uneven jetty]

Linus has auctioned his integrity, he didn't sell it

[tawdry peak]

Jesus knew all along.

(and yes this was an actual quote Steve said in the roast)

[hardy abyss]

waiting for Linus' "im sorry" BP video

[fossil iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184324186284621824/1140989846937141349/k3rubo5tm6ib1.png

[hallow elbow]

when will we get luke tech tips

id watch that all day

[fossil iron]

AI Linus

[frigid tusk]

lmg members stepped in to stop the flame wars in ltt discord damn

[cinder gate]

Surely he's going to have to respond unlike what he said in his forum post

And good luck getting away with a WAN show without talking about it. Chat will be a certified mess

[young forum]

https://x.com/buildzoid1/status/1691251880960147456?s=46&t=DRzgR2o7TCFoVbQmHJw67g

Buildzoid (@Buildzoid1)

Some thoughts I've had over the recent LTT controversy:

Likes

1684

Twitter · Aug 15, 2023, 12:54 AM

[young forum]

Oooh, I missed that - how heated was it?

So umm...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375436621450969089/1141258691186798693/image.png

[tawdry peak]

OH WHAT THE FUCK

[robust prism]

Glad all this is getting attention

[young forum]

I know, right?

[tawdry peak]

That very much explains her sudden departure and the entire non chalantness of it

The previous speculation was she and Linus had conflicts regarding her presence on Twitch outside of LMG.

[robust prism]

This isn’t like a drama train dogpile, instead people are actually stating their experience and their collective opinions from years past.
Actual involved claims across the board.

[tawdry peak]

Guess it's way more than that.

And yeah, she looked so much happier after leaving the place.

https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693740254228741

Madison | Suop (@suuuoppp)

To stop the speculation and DM's I am receiving.
I chose to quit my role at LTT because it, and the working environment I was facing, were ruining my mental health.

The number of daily items the Social media role at the time was expected to fill was incredibly high.

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 6:09 AM

[cursive bramble]

[tawdry peak]

https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693754221203812

Madison | Suop (@suuuoppp)

A warning that came very shortly after I had come forward stating I had been inappropriately grabbed multiple times in the office, amongst other issues.

I was barred from being in videos. So when you ask what happened? Why wasn't she in more content?

This is why.

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 6:09 AM

[young forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375436621450969089/1141260466472091790/image.png

[young forum]

I don't have an 'X' acount so I can only see what people are screenshotting but it sounds like there's significant issues inside LMG.

[tawdry peak]

I'll unroll the thread, sec

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html

[young forum]

Well then, the full thread is even worse - I guess I should have expected that.

[tawdry peak]

Jesus this is fucking depressing to read.

Thread is continuing, btw.

[young forum]

Will that link show new posts or will it have to be refreshed?

[tawdry peak]

I'll refresh it. The link seemingly does not contain new posts to a thread after it was created.

Systemic culture problem.

[young forum]

This was Linus' reply to her leaving:

For obvious reasons, there won't be an official statement disclosing private details about my dealings with any of our current or former staff. You (and Reddit) can stop asking.

On a separate note, no NDA or other agreement can prevent a Canadian from reporting workplace mistreatment including (but not limited to) harassment, discrimination or unlawful termination. They can post it publicly, submit a statement to the authorities, or do both for good measure. As long as it was true it wouldn't be defamatory.

If I'm ever actually accused of a crime or other misdemeanor - including any violation of employment law - I'm sure you'll be able to read all about it on Dexerto. For now, it appears that we are in the clear.

It wasn't great then and looks even worse now.

[tawdry peak]

Yep.

Plus his comments on unions.

https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691707172215046446

Madison | Suop (@suuuoppp)

I was also the one tasked with managing the Only Fans account.
Something I said I didn't want to do.
I had to read comments from people talking about how they wanted to fuck me and my co workers.
I saw peoples dicks, and vagina's.
I said no, and was told only a little longer.

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 7:03 AM

Oh god I forgot that Onlyfans thing

[cinder gate]

Damn I assumed the Madison situation was so much more surface level than this

[young forum]

I think everyone did - this is bad and keeps getting worse.

[tawdry peak]

Practically everyone thought it was just about her social media presense as an influencer

[cinder gate]

Linus has alluded in the past to regretting breaking probation early for an employee and I'm pretty sure he was talking about Madison

[tawdry peak]

Nobody ever thought it was this bad.

[cinder gate]

So yeah I figured that was the dispute

[tawdry peak]

And that LTT did talk about the policy of employee's online presence outside of LMG around that time, so people assumed they are related.

[cinder gate]

And hey just in case anyone can't figure it out for themselves, these accusations are worse than incorrect data or selling someone's product without their permission

Just to make that crystal clear to people

[tawdry peak]

Yep.

It's a rotten company culture issue and likely from long term negligence from management.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741?refresh=1692170838

Thread is now updated.

[formal garnet]

My favorite part

Wish the best for her though

I'm pretty sure a lot of whole other IT companies share the same work culture

Question is: how many of them don't

[cinder gate]

I really don't see how they can ignore everything on WAN show lmao

[tawdry peak]

Watch them cancel the WANshow

[formal garnet]

No need to cancel, its existence has changed from 1 to 0

Seriously though, I'm still not surprised by all of this

[tawdry peak]

And NOW we get to the influencer part.

[cinder gate]

Damn this is not how you hire someone

[formal garnet]

Karma was in the works (partially) when that pool tile was done incorrectly

[cinder gate]

This is

so

fucked

Read the whole thread folks

The screenshots and tweets posted here are not even half of it

[tawdry peak]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741

[cursive beacon]

literally if any LMG employees back this up or any supporting evidance comes up LMG is actually fucked

[tawdry peak]

Updated. @young forum mind pinning it?

[cursive beacon]

it's usually a coinflip if accusations this severe turn out to be true

[tawdry peak]

It's incredibly unlikely this amount of accusations are things she made up.

[formal garnet]

Honestly all of this could be not true, but given how they acted the past 2 days, there's a good chance it's true

[cursive beacon]

because if this is true she literally just made Activision look like heaven

[formal garnet]

I think she made the right choice in explaining these things now

the timing couldn't be better

[cursive beacon]

a workplace bad enough to actually cut your leg open to escape it briefly

💀

[formal garnet]

I used to think I actually wanted to work in a videogame company till Blizzard happened lol

[young forum]

It's honestly the perfect time to come out with this when people are already focused on Linus' and LTT's mistakes.
Well, that or the public offering that will probably never happen (and this could make it so it never does - although I doubt LMG would die unless Linus himself was involved in severe malfeasance).

[cinder gate]

I'd like to add to the Madison thing that they would be very unlikely to be making any of it up, as they know how big LTT is and how much it stands to lose if the accusations are false. She wouldn't risk that legal battle, because there absolutely would be one

[young forum]

Done, I'm going to head offline soon but you should be able to edit that with an updated link - normally I would be a bit more cautious about pinning, since it can seem like a direct endorsement and we have to be careful even if, personally, I think that this should be investigated, but given how hard it is to see the thread on X if you're not a member I think there's value with having an easily available link.

[tawdry peak]

Sure.

[young forum]

Yeah, given that she's evidently talked to lawyers who said she wasn't under NDA my guess is that she ran at least some if not all by them.

[tawdry peak]

I dont know if it is severe malfeasance, but it's close enough by me.

[young forum]

Well then, I think that might just count - at least in my personal book.

[tawdry peak]

And the list of female LMG employee at the time of her employment was not long.

[cinder gate]

Headass moment https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691720558936048034?t=YTB1xbr73uCGSSC2HoC8zQ&s=19

Madison | Suop (@suuuoppp)

There was an incident where I requested a $15 notebook.
Keep in mind I had made maybe $25 of purchase requests in my ENTIRE time working at this company.

I requested this notebook to help with my "poor time management skills"

denied "you don't need it, you have lined paper"

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 7:56 AM

[viscid sluice]

JFC this is beyond the pale.

[stoic sable]

I was gonna ask for an update but clearly the fire is burnin bright

[young forum]

The tldr: A former employee has come out with claims of significant sexual harassment and other severe workplace malfeasance and abuse (including the above accusation against Linus himself of badgering someone who accused him of inappropriate conduct). If even a quarter of what she said it true it's really, really bad.

[winter kiln]

oh they went haaard at the roast

[stoic sable]

Yeah.. I don't see how Linus will be dodging any of this this friday.

[tawdry peak]

I totally see them canceling it

[stoic sable]

yeah, or a super short runtime

[young forum]

If he's smart he'll pause everything and talk to his legal team.

But historically he hasn't been smart about things like this.

[tawdry peak]

Well, that's if Taran and Luke have some senses in them (I don't expect Linus to have that right now) to take over the ship

[stoic sable]

In case it doesnt get cancelled Ill be waking up early this saturday

[tawdry peak]

It probably will. Honestly it's better they cancel it and focus on addressing the issues instead.

[cinder gate]

Yeah it'll be impossible to address this properly live with this much time to prepare, if they even have any time with how bonkers their schedule is

And they cannot simply ignore everything and run the show as normal

Floatplane chat will not give them a break over this

Merch messages will probably be safe cause who's going to spend money on them if they're upset over this lmao

[tawdry peak]

I dont expect merch messages to be safe at all

[young forum]

It shouldn't be addressed live, even if he handles it well he'd want legal involved and then have very careful statements until any investigation or legal case is sorted.

[tawdry peak]

Thread should be final now. Madison is off for the night.

[cinder gate]

Might we finally get a full proper YouTuber apology video?

[cinder gate]

The only way it's getting addressed live is Linus reading directly off a script

[knotty reef]

I hope not..... ideal is a slow down in production and some reorganisation.

[tawdry peak]

Taran hasnt even made an appearance after getting into the job and he now has to deal with this shit

[cursive bramble]

was watching someone else's rant

for real?

[tawdry peak]

he didnt

the forum was virtually being ddosed from traffic

[cursive bramble]

I see

[tawdry peak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15shoyx/madison_on_her_ltt_experience/jwekz4z/

I have a feeling more people will chime up in the new few days, especially the ladies. Curious if Maxine have anything to say since Maddie spoken out. I remember roughly when Maddie posted after she quit Maxine replied in a deleted tiktok I know something you don't know referencing that she knows why Maddie quit. And Chelsea one of their previous social managers (?) also posted a tweet saying roughly she hopes her next job treats employees better. So these posts are pretty damning if you take the other accusations into context including the ones made by sexy cyborg a few years back.

[cinder gate]

Por que no los dos?

[ember depot]

the more I see all this go on.... the more I have to wonder. Did linus actually build this up on his own merits, or is LTT the equivalent of a lottery winner... sort of being the one successful solo artist after a breakup (of NCIX)

[left gust]

Damn. It sounds like the dam broke. I’m legitimately wondering how much this is gonna hurt LTT

I initially thought they’d shrug it off and their fans won’t know the wiser. Now, it’s basically sounding like Blizzard’s workplace

[severe crown]

This thread is

Far worse than any of the other drama

What a read

That's gonna be a big deal

[cobalt locust]

https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693740254228741?s=20

Madison | Suop (@suuuoppp)

To stop the speculation and DM's I am receiving.
I chose to quit my role at LTT because it, and the working environment I was facing, were ruining my mental health.

The number of daily items the Social media role at the time was expected to fill was incredibly high.

Likes

6383

Retweets

1130

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 6:09 AM

[tawdry peak]

It's pinned already.

[cobalt locust]

Ok

[earnest lava]

Damn lol

Well we can’t really make assumptions from that

Some people get stressed over their jobs a lot easier than others so eh

[tawdry peak]

You are very quick to start victim blaming, huh.

[young forum]

Read the whole thing, it's a lot more than 'stress' if even some of the things are true.

[tawdry peak]

Like, a 50+ tweet thread you finished in about two minutes?

[earnest lava]

I thought that was the whole thing 😭

[tawdry peak]

Literally said multiple times it's a thread so not a single tweet

[young forum]

Evidently there's a video in the queue (although my guess is that it's about the GN videos and not this).

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251822595723362306/1141305007413665845/image.png

[earnest lava]

I really want to see a response lol

[tawdry peak]

popcorn ready

[earnest lava]

I can’t open the tweet safari says there are too many redirects

Xd

[tawdry peak]

There is a consolidated version in the pin

[ember depot]

looking at all this

I don't LTT has sold out any of their core values

[tawdry peak]

Do they have any

[ember depot]

they were auctioned out

[tawdry peak]

[ember depot]

[earnest lava]

Short version is just they gave her impossible deadlines?

Or did they do other stuff

[tawdry peak]

....

no read the full thing

Consolidated as in the full thread in a single page so it's more readable.

[ember depot]

this makes Activision Blizzard look like the Catholic Church

oh wait

[cerulean pebble]

Jesus, that's terrible.
Any kinda respect i still had for LMG is gone

[ember depot]

i stopped reading here

i've seen enough

[cerulean pebble]

He being linus

[tawdry peak]

Terren posted an update on FP. All LTT video uploads are on hold.

Per reddit. I dont have access to FP.

The video is already up on FP, probably youtube soon.

[true gyro]

pfffffffffft 😆

[tawdry peak]

OOF.

[earnest lava]

Ok I did

This is not the vibe I thought LTT had as a workplace

That was fucked up 😬

[west wasp]

Kinda interesting how that one LTT worker that quit said their coworkers constantly gave them wrong info on purpose, you think that's why many LTT videos have tons of simple mistakes, like wrong CPU cache on a chart?

[cerulean pebble]

I would be suprised by that

[ember depot]

what is the Y axis?

[true gyro]

subscriber count

[ember depot]

with a font for ants

[true gyro]

yes 😄

[ember depot]

also your floor on that is 38k

and your upper is 39k

ish

[cerulean pebble]

Serves them right to be honest.

[west wasp]

If someone can get actual proof of this, it would probably be true disaster for LTT, to the point they may actually shut down

[ember depot]

if this is proven linus is completely finished

this is absolutely GG for LTT

I guess we now know what the L in LTT stands for

[young forum]

And they're shutting down for at least a week based on the GN videos alone...

[cinder gate]

Yep this makes sense to do

[ember depot]

well

I guess that we know what linus's reaction to this will be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz2-qYBtQ74

[novel folio]

That's a lot more expensive than $500 for a retest.

[west wasp]

if it isn't proven though, I don't think this would be enough to truly make them crash

[sturdy granite]

If I were Linus/CEO I'd call this a foot on the ball moment. Stop.

Put out a simple statement saying you're suspending content, you accept the criticisms made and you need a week to re-evaluate the situation. Thank Steve and others for their valid criticisms.

Then take a week to 1) sleep 2) evaluate 3) plan improvements. Obvious shit like reduced output, a QC fact check prior to any review video going up, and feedback mechanisms where staff concerns can be addressed prior to publishing. You know, basics.

The staff culture side of things is a whoooole different pot of crustaceans..

[young forum]

@sturdy granitethat's what they're doing - at least a week break from content based on the GN videos alone (the response was made before Madison posted).

[novel folio]

I was honestly surprised at the amount of clips they had from some of the more well known employees saying they were having to rush videos.

[west wasp]

I mean I think their goal right now is to not be sued or otherwise be forced to shutdown

[sturdy granite]

Yeah but they should have done it before Linus posted a thousand words and a couple of videos proving hes a whiney little man child with thin skin and zero self awareness.

[sturdy granite]

That shit should have formed the basis of an internal review. It's 'captain I can see an iceberg' stuff.

Literally "we know what we're doing wrong. It's obvious how we fix it, but we're not going to do that. Here's another half baked video right on schedule;"

[earnest lava]

even if proven I doubt it can do much

[cinder gate]

Man truly thought he could get away with a "I'm not saying anything else because I've said all I plan to"

[sturdy granite]

They won't crash/fail. It'll just polarise their viewer base been more.

[cinder gate]

Incredible how he thought that would go down well

[earnest lava]

like if they just fire the rogue employee(s) itd help them a lot

[cinder gate]

That's not how this works

[earnest lava]

the biggest thing is linus destroying his own reputation

[sturdy granite]

Who, Linus?

[cinder gate]

Madison being treated the way they were is a systemic problem

[novel folio]

THe more famous he got, the more detached from reality he has become.

[cinder gate]

That type of thing doesn't happen unless it's coming from the top down

[sturdy granite]

A fish rots from the head down.

[earnest lava]

he didnt do any of the sexist stuff did he?

[west wasp]

I mean if they are found violating certain workplace laws and abusing their workers, they very well might

[ember depot]

so remind me

[cinder gate]

He certainly didn't help with anything when it was brought to his attention @earnest lava

[ember depot]

what's.... what's the point of Terren?

[earnest lava]

100% the stuff linus did he can get away with just apologizing and saying his life is stressful asf hence the CEO change

[cinder gate]

Linus overworked

Needed to split the workload, and hired someone to do the half he didn't want to do

[ember depot]

then why the fuck isn't Terren saying anything now

[young forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140777193979523183/1141278292209569802/image.png

[cinder gate]

We can only speculate

[ember depot]

actually let me rephrase

why has he chosen not to say anything now

[earnest lava]

I just cant imagine linus actually calling someone mentally ill

[cinder gate]

We can only speculate, and that's not really worth doing

[novel folio]

People who do this kind of thing don't usually do it in public, otherwise they wouldn't have made it that far.

[young forum]

Oftentimes someone's on-screen persona can be very different then their off-screen one - that isn't to say that he definitively did that but it's also hard to know a person through their scripted and edited works.

[cerulean pebble]

I can. It's all too often that these "good guys" responsible for leading a bigger entity are absolute scum.

[ember depot]

I mean that in the sense of the fact that the lack of response from Terren actually carries quite strong implications about the way the company is still run

[tawdry peak]

He did. In the video him, Yyvonne, Gary and Linus all show up in the video talking about it.

[sturdy granite]

We're a long way from there though.

[ember depot]

you mean the one they released on their subscriber only floatplane?

[cerulean pebble]

I honestly hope this happens

[cinder gate]

Floatplane exclusive? Or is it actually somewhere public now

[tawdry peak]

it's also off from FP

[earnest lava]

videos only no floatplane?

[tawdry peak]

Likely because the video was out early

I guess they want it to be out on youtube at the same time.

[earnest lava]

I dont hope LTT completely crashes from this

[tawdry peak]

They probably wont

[earnest lava]

but on the other side they deserve to at this point

but they got so much potential man

[young forum]

It's many places publicly, just not on the official channel.

[ember depot]

I hope they do crash becaues of this

[cerulean pebble]

I honestly do, or atleast that the "bad" people do

[true gyro]

what do you expect from someone dropping their "fair share of hard Rs" back in the day

[ember depot]

this is a damning indictment of both the procedural and cultural aspects of the company

[earnest lava]

yea some people nearly need to get fired

[cinder gate]

Ok but this wasn't actually anything wrong

[young forum]

And it doesn't address Madison at all, so my expectation is that we'll a very legal update posted somewhere for that.

[true gyro]

i know. just taking the piss

[ember depot]

Imagine a world Raiden, free of cancel culture
where no one can call me out on my outlandish claims
A world where I can say the N-word!

this is basically Linus now

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-speech-bubble-gif-25397532

[true gyro]

lil linu$

[earnest lava]

I do hope linus can explain the madison incident he was a part of though maybe she took creative liberty on the events that took place over 2 years ago

[cinder gate]

I don't think we'll hear anything about this at all other than they're dealing with it in private

[cinder gate]

He'd be crazy to

[earnest lava]

he cant just not talk about it can he

[novel folio]

he really should here

[cinder gate]

It's the only reasonable option

[earnest lava]

that twitlonger is painting him in such a bad light

[young forum]

That's what I mean - 'we're investigating the situation and will take appropriate actions where necessary, etc, etc'.

[tawdry peak]

Yvonne: LTT video production on hold for the next week.
Gary: Markbench is becoming open source. They will be detailing their testing process and have all the test results referenced in videos released to public.
James: The editing team will go through a process to address the QC issues. A dedicated graphs designer is onboarding to work on graphs and error correction.

[cinder gate]

And he'll be in an even worse light in the eyes of the law if he says something inaccurate @earnest lava

[cerulean pebble]

If it's true, there's a chance there will be no reply.

[earnest lava]

well for specifically what linus did, I dont think much can happen to him except for bad rep

[cinder gate]

Lawsuit can happen

[cinder gate]

Good

[tawdry peak]

Ed and Nick (COO) both talked about their plan to improve the process of QC.

[true gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY
video's on youtube now

[cerulean pebble]

great time to see you first terren

[west wasp]

I mean if they crashes that would mean people would look for better alternatives

which could result in people getting at least slightly smarter

[tawdry peak]

what

[severe crown]

Haven't seen it yet but from a couple comments seems like it addresses the quality situation properly

Now onto the blizzard situation

[sturdy granite]

They should remove Linus from the Comms channels for a while

[west wasp]

google echo chamber

[stoic sable]

What did blizzard do this time

Has anyone watched the whole video?

[stoic sable]

Oh THAT'S how his name is spelt?

[tawdry peak]

Check the pins for the Blizzard situation.

[cerulean pebble]

linus is wearing the LTX hoodie

[stoic sable]

I don't see anything about blizzard

[tawdry peak]

read the thread in the pin, the latest one

[cerulean pebble]

Someone should pin it

[west wasp]

Any summary of the video though? there is no way I could watch it with the hotel wifi i have rn

[cerulean pebble]

They seem to have only replied to the GN critiques.

It comes down to "uh oh oopsie, we will be better"

[stoic sable]

No but what does that have to do with blizzard?

[tawdry peak]

lol the Linus part was him making up excuses.

Please read it and the link with Activision Blizzard is clear.

[west wasp]

so like billet labs stuff and quality control?

[tawdry peak]

Yes

[cerulean pebble]

Yes

[tawdry peak]

The maddison situation is well after it was recorded.

[west wasp]

to be honest that at least sounds better than the forum post where they basically said "We made mistakes, but they don't really matter and we won't do anything to fix them"

[true gyro]

sounds like waffle they're reading off one of those reader things next to the camera
they're replying to each of the GN critiques and nothing more, making some chanegs; but it's kinda clear how linus personally feels about this- constantly defending himself all the time. though tbh i can understand that, it's just how he is
what matters is they're doing something to address whatever GN brought up

[cerulean pebble]

Terren has a pretty uncanny face in the vid, odd to look at

[stoic sable]

So we're linking the LMG workplace to the blizzard issue earlier this year/last year?

[cerulean pebble]

Have you read maddisons thread?

[stoic sable]

I've seen enough snippets to get the gist of it, are there details one needs to know?

I was genuinely curious what blizzard did this time

[tawdry peak]

Read the thread.

[cerulean pebble]

Id just read it all, you seem to care enough

tldr; if maddison isnt lying (i dont believe she is) some real scum works there, and gns video is the least of the concerns

[true gyro]

its like when a kid's giving a presentation that they're just reading off a script for
that's the face

you see lecturers have that face sometimes too

[hallow elbow]

artesian tech tips

[stoic sable]

Yeah I know about that from earlier snippets most DM posted, I was really just curious if Blizzard made another fuckup cuz I just started playing OW again

[cinder gate]

Read all of it

[stoic sable]

That's all

I honestly don't feel like it

[hallow elbow]

damn. i went to sleep and shit got even worse

i gotta catch up

[tawdry peak]

OK it's that LMG has a shitty office culture that was full on bigotry towards female employees and uses a lot of mental manipulation tactics to keep employees in check.

[west wasp]

A youtube comment said LTT displayed the price of the billet labs prototype, did anyone see it?

[hallow elbow]

i remember the leaked meeting that madison had with linus, anyone got it backed up?

[tawdry peak]

Yes. 2000 GBP

[cinder gate]

I honestly can't imagine a job where you're discouraged from taking sick days when you need it

[stoic sable]

Yeah, that's what I gathered.

Still interested in the state of this week's wan show, cancelled or otherwise

[tawdry peak]

It was like the reason the video was pulled from FP earlier.

[cinder gate]

Hell, sometimes I'll even pull a sickie for my mental health

[tawdry peak]

There was a screenshot, gimme a sec.

[stoic sable]

It was pulled? Hah.

[west wasp]

apparently at like 13:17 timestamp

[cinder gate]

The idea of needing to be bleeding to take sick leave is unbelievable

[true gyro]

2 grand

[tawdry peak]

Actually no, still in the video

[stoic sable]

Says 2000 pounds

[tawdry peak]

13:17.

[stoic sable]

Why'd they pull it off FP just to post it on yt?

[tawdry peak]

No idea then.

It was up on FP early, pulled about 20 minutes later? And then now up on both.

I guess they finally realized how fucking tonedeaf it is to paywall this?

[stoic sable]

Them posting on FP first for "Old times sake" was questionable

[west wasp]

i wonder if they will also get fined for that

[tawdry peak]

least of their concern now.

[hallow elbow]

i mean, what does this all mean for tech youtube? we've seen one of the biggest canadian tech media outlets crumble in less than 2 days

[west wasp]

Well, LTT might completely fall, which means people would move onto other channels

or it might not and just turn into a huge echo chamber, since everyone who likes technical stuff would leave anyway

[hallow elbow]

true, but the name 'linus tech tips' has a lot of brand recognition amongst new pc builders and the like

[honest yacht]

ngl sounds like a simple communication issue being blown up

[cerulean pebble]

It's another asshole move.
Who posts the response to critique to paying subscribers first?

[cinder gate]

They have not crumbled. Don't be dramatic

[stoic sable]

Their reputation certainly have though

[honest yacht]

what would people have to talk about then

[stoic sable]

Always has been. But they apparently only offered compensation 2 hours after the inital GN video

[honest yacht]

ok

2 hours is really good lol

[jade vale]

They got ghosted and only got the reply because it blew up

[stoic sable]

Surely theyd have found out about this far earlier, why only after being called out?

[honest yacht]

communication issues...

[knotty reef]

is it me or is the audio on eds segment fucked..

[honest yacht]

shit happens, and one piece of inventory getting misappropriated can be a fairly normal occurance

[west wasp]

They probably whipped employees to watch the gamers nexus video as quickly as possible

[jade vale]

Sounds fine to me

[knotty reef]

can you chill out a little?

[honest yacht]

Just for some perspective, if LTT "fails", 100+ people are out of work

[tawdry peak]

GN's video has receipts on this not being a "simple" communication issue.

[jade vale]

That’s no reason for their actions (or the lack thereafter)

[honest yacht]

ah I never watched the GN video lol

[stoic sable]

Ah. So Colton did try to send an email to billet on the 10th when he found out

[honest yacht]

There's always a reason lol

[jade vale]

They don’t get a pass just because they have more employees on board

[honest yacht]

I'm not saying they do

Just reminding some context

[jade vale]

Also this won’t sink ltt

[cursive bramble]

apparently peeps in comments are saying that comments talking about Madison's situation is being deleted

[jade vale]

Probably

[novel folio]

I don't see ltt failing over the gn video.

[cerulean pebble]

The rest thought...

[west wasp]

They could still fail over lawsuits regarding the sexual harrasment at their workplace and such

[sturdy granite]

My job. Haha. Take more than 13 days/ 3 instances in 12 months and you go on a list and a world of shit befalls you. I spend a good deal of time protecting my team from it.

[cinder gate]

respectfully, fuck that

[stoic sable]

I do still see 20ish minute comments about it

[cinder gate]

I value the ability to pull a sickie far too much for that

[sturdy granite]

Remember that time Reddit failed after everyone went to Voat/they changed their API costs?

[tawdry peak]

Fuck that indeed.

[sturdy granite]

I enforce a strict regime of 'message me first and we'll sort something out'.

If people log as sick I can't do anything to help them.

[novel folio]

The people actively discussing this aren't even their core audience I imagine.

[ember depot]

that's basically one of those "nothing personal, just business" as bad for PR as it was

this is many, many times worse

[sturdy granite]

I don't see it as much worse. Sadly.

[hallow elbow]

madison said workplace is full of harassment

coltons apparently head (kinda) of HR

he needs to be fired legitimately

[ember depot]

or let me correct that, nothing personnel

[sturdy granite]

Its pretty much business as usual in the content farm space.

[cinder gate]

Calling for people to get fired is never the path

It also implies that it's going to solve the issue

[ember depot]

NGL the terren segue to our sponsor bit, that was actually pretty funny

[sturdy granite]

You're forgetting the primary role of HR. Its not to protect the workers or oversee worker welfare.

Its to protect the company.

[stoic sable]

Idk it felt forced and inappropriate to me

[tawdry peak]

the jokes and all that were fine if it was just that, communications and QC issues

[ember depot]

it was quite forced and a bit inappropriate

[tawdry peak]

but the vibe isnt the same any more after Maddison came out with her story.

[severe crown]

Can confirm, average HR cares much more about company than employees

[sturdy granite]

That's not average HR that's literally their job.

[ember depot]

but i laughed in the sense of like... yeah that was something

[cursive bramble]

adding a sponsor joke in a apology video is just straight up bad.

"hey,we fucked up, buy our noctua screwdriver™️ !"

[sturdy granite]

The Madison revelations were timed just perfectly to trip LMG up. Just getting a handle on some relatively trivial QC shit and then BOOM.

[ember depot]

it is bad, but i laughed in the sense of like, the joker telling a jome

[sturdy granite]

Seems kind of tone deaf to me. The relentless marketing, sponsorships. Tie ins are all part of the problem.

[cursive bramble]

the fact they are even making jokes and quips in a apology video makes me feel like they aren't serious at all.

[sturdy granite]

And displays a lack of intent to change.c

[true gyro]

the whole video seems to me as though everyone was following a script to the letter

[honest yacht]

I would be shocked if they were not reading off a script

this is normal

[true gyro]

i know, still just felt a little jarring
all their other videos don't feel this way

[honest yacht]

wdym

[winter kiln]

what the fuck

[winter kiln]

is this something that is known throughout the company?

like management behaviour

[cursive bramble]

ngl does sound quite like a Company downfall speedrun any%

[winter kiln]

does linus know this

or is he just rolling with it cuz the cash keeps coming

[honest yacht]

the valuation went away as soon as they turned down the deal

[winter kiln]

well it wasnt an evaluation it was an offer

lmao

[winter kiln]

and tf lmao linus just went im hiring her and oh uhhh uhh i guess i am

[tawdry peak]

The full thread is in the pin. Read it and you'll know.

[knotty reef]

good call.

[winter kiln]

yeah im reading through it rn

and she moved all the way for this

wtf

[cinder gate]

It's so bad yeah

and it just keeps going

[ember depot]

this video in response to the quality control issues would be appropriate.

In response to the ethics issues it's a bit too light.

Considering they have just been wrongfooted by the new sexual harassment allegations, this video now looks completely tone deaf

[sturdy granite]

Which, to be clear, is the correct thing to do: a measured, considered response.

[cursive bramble]

last time Linus did a auction,a kid commited Sudoku and the son's wife too as a effect,leading a dad to be alone in his life.

if I can't say it in this server I'll delete it or mods to delete it

that one was mainly due to his fanbase at the time

[tribal magnet]

of course they wait till i start cooking lunch to drop a response vid :D

[spice gust]

Waking up, wow I was not expecting this Maddy thread

[cursive bramble]

now this time on this year's auction,he auctioned a supposedly 2000 pounds(?) prototype yet can't be arsed to test it properly nor give it back

[novel folio]

Why would a suicide joke be appropiate here?

[cursive bramble]

Linus just needs a ban with anything related to auctions in general.

[sturdy granite]

Gotta hand it to Steve. He knows how to throw a hand grenade... Timed and placed just right.

[wraith chasm]

Hey guys, I'm about 16 hours behind on this, last thing I saw was GNs second video posted around 5pm GMT yesterday, can someone drop a tldr?

[honest yacht]

brillant and terrifying at the same time

[cursive bramble]

was reading this old thing that someone resurfaced trying to correlate it to the current madison drama
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15sjv78/for_anyone_wondering_why_madison_stayed_silent/

[wraith chasm]

What's the whole Madison thing btw? I always thought it was odd they offered her a job, but not heard anything about her since she did some tiktoks two years ago

[honest yacht]

@wraith chasm read the pin

[cursive bramble]

TL;DR

LTT tried to do a Blizzard

[novel folio]

She made a bunch of allegations about a toxic work culture today.

[cursive bramble]

but slightly worse,but still bad

[wraith chasm]

How find pin on mobile 😭

[novel folio]

swipe right, click on pin

[wraith chasm]

Nvm I found it

[tribal magnet]

souynds like linus got reigned in so far

[cursive bramble]

swipe to the right and the pin should be in the right window

[honest yacht]

It's not a good situation, regarding Madison. But this is also only 1 side of the coin

[wraith chasm]

Jesus

[cursive bramble]

as for said old thing,which apparently was just a year ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you_destroyed_my_life/

2 lives lost and a ruined life for a stupid Playbutton.

[tribal magnet]

I havent seen anything in the MAdison tweets that is extreme... seems just like lad culture which she didnt want to be a part of but she probably was made to feel unwelcome because of it which is understandable

[west wasp]

ad on an apology video

[wraith chasm]

Jesus fucking Christ is this verified?

[tribal magnet]

Of course there is some comments she received which were definitely maliciously insulting

[tawdry peak]

Not allowing her to take a sick day until she literally cut herself isnt extreme?

Being told the r and f word isnt extreme?

[wraith chasm]

Sounds kinda toxic

[tawdry peak]

Just ask yourself do you want to be treated like any of that in your work environment?

[cursive bramble]

Yeah,Linus himself talked to it and tried saying in Forums and wan show to stop it,but you know it's hard to stop fans.

[tawdry peak]

Doubly so if you are a woman in a male dominated sector?