ltt-discussion

[pure crescent]

send the 2nd or 3rd or 5th or 10th lol

[shell sentinel]

it doesnt sound like it was their only one

just their "best" one

[cinder gate]

it was their best yeah

[shell sentinel]

which is a key difference

[pure crescent]

Then why send them the best

[tawdry peak]

It is, still a loss for them as LTT mistreated their trust in multiple ways.

[pure crescent]

If the lesser prototypes sendd the message give them those

[azure shuttle]

Because it would've been seen by 15m people?

[shell sentinel]

because they wanted to be able to show what it is capable of

[pure crescent]

TBH LTT mistreating their trust is the best outcome of the entire situation

[shell sentinel]

why would they not want to show off their best product? everyone would

[pure crescent]

My entire point is if your business requires their best version of the prototype and they don't have a way to recreate it then don't ship it off

[young forum]

Because they assumed Linus would review it in good faith and they would get massive exposure. Instead he decided he didn't like the product and it shouldn't exist so he didn't do proper testing and then sold their prototype.

[shell sentinel]

likely they COULD recreate it

but LTT said they were sending it back

so why would they when they were told they were getting it back

[tawdry peak]

They could, but it'll cost them, and LTT broke the promise of sending it back.

[pure crescent]

because there's risk involved that neither party may be involved with

[young forum]

Multiple times.

[pure crescent]

Ya'll never lose packages in the mail?

[azure shuttle]

...

bro 😭

[pulsar depot]

It wasn’t lost in the mail

LTT fucked up

[shell sentinel]

sure, but they likely insured it

[pure crescent]

OK nevermind lol

[azure shuttle]

FlowerBoy bro 😭

[tawdry peak]

I'm really puzzled at the notion of people pointing fingers at Billet in this.

[shell sentinel]

it is not hard to insure a package

[pulsar depot]

Flower I agree it wasn’t the smartest move - but that doesn’t give LTT any leeway in the fuckups they made

[pure crescent]

Both parties are at fault for different reasons

[pure crescent]

I'm not giving LTT leeway

[cinder gate]

no, billet isn't at fault, because nothing happened in the mail

[young forum]

Not anything that was insured/sent with higher priority (and I assume this would be). A courier service isn't that expensive and won't lose your expensive prototype.

[cinder gate]

you don't even know that it wasn't insured

[azure shuttle]

nah i don't think so. Billet is in the right here

[pure crescent]

Billet is at fault for delaying their own product launch

[pulsar depot]

No

[tawdry peak]

Billet risking of sending it in the mail has completely nothing to do with LTT's misconduct

[young forum]

You're basically victim blaming.

[tawdry peak]

And it wasnt lost in the mail, so there is literally nothing.

[pure crescent]

Yes, because if they needed that prototype to continue manufacturing then they made the choice to pause manufacturing for some marketing

[azure shuttle]

yea? what is the point

[pure crescent]

And?

[tawdry peak]

What.

[pulsar depot]

They planned for LTT to return it

[safe pulsar]

Billet sounds like two guys with a cnc router and a domain name. Am I wrong? Why are people acting like they should've hired a 10 man swat team to transport and guard their prototype like it's 15th gen Intel?

[young forum]

With the understanding that it would be returned in a timely manner.

[pure crescent]

Thats not a guarantee

[young forum]

It's a shit thing to do?

[tawdry peak]

What.

[shell sentinel]

AFAIK it is literally 2 people yes.

[pulsar depot]

It was agreed upon by both parties the time it would be returned

[pure crescent]

There's more than 2 parties involved in shipping a product from EU to Canada

[shell sentinel]

it SHOULD be a guarantee if they are highly regarded

[pulsar depot]

And that is a moot point

[shell sentinel]

which I would argue was the case with LTT

[tawdry peak]

Weird hill to die on.

[pure crescent]

I'm just saying if the entirety of my business was in this one 1ft by 1ft square I'm not letting it leave my side until I know I can make it again

[pulsar depot]

When you have a “return by” date, it is up to you to find a transit method which meets this date

[shell sentinel]

It also doesn't change the fact Linus claimed they have been compensated before even getting confirmation

[young forum]

There was an agreement to return it, LMG then doubled down on this agreement twice while taking no action. That's not Billet's fault.

[hexed vault]

So a

Skill issue if you will

[pure crescent]

Marketing be damned, its literally not worth the 15 million views if I can't make it again

[pulsar depot]

You can’t say “oopsie it got delayed for months cause we chose a shit return method ”

[shell sentinel]

Like, they STILL do not have the money for it

AFAIK

[pulsar depot]

Or better yet

[ember depot]

If the CEO of billetlabs died in an aircrash hand delivering the thing you'd probably blame him too for placing the company's future at risk being on the plane

[pulsar depot]

“Oopsie it got delayed cause we auctioned it off”

This is entirely outside of the shipping topic

LTT just blatantly fucked up

In several ways

[pure crescent]

Yes you can. Packages get lost

Insurance isn't going to bring back teh prototype

[pulsar depot]

But it didn’t get lost

[young forum]

You're assuming they can't make it again, they paused development because they thought they were getting their prototype back. That doesn't mean they can't continue without it but if they did so it would be redundant work assuming that LMG had actually done what they said they would/agreed to.

[pulsar depot]

So why are we talking about that

It got auctioned off

There was no fuck up with shipping

[pure crescent]

Nah because thats known as an "Act of God"

[pulsar depot]

This is victim shaming to a t

[ember depot]

and how is it not risking the business

this is plain victim blaming

[pure crescent]

Business dies with the CEO

And we wouldn't be talking about it because it never got exposure and theres literally a 1 of 1 model

[shell sentinel]

yea like saying "a tiny 2 person company should have expected one of the biggest techtoobers to effectively steal their product and auction it off" is an insane take

[shell sentinel]

it is not 1/1

it was just their BEST one

[pure crescent]

It is 1/1 if they had to delay production/ddevelopment

[shell sentinel]

for all you know they delayed production simply to hear LTT's feedback

maybe they wanted feedback before going to production

[pure crescent]

Thats true

[jade vale]

Why does that matter when LTT is the one that didn’t fulfil their side of the agreement?

[pulsar depot]

There was no delay until LTT fucked up. It’s rather simple

[cursive beacon]

https://vxtwitter.com/PwnageOfficial/status/1691477534750445569

[cinder gate]

lol

[pulsar depot]

This was an anticipated part of the process

[shell sentinel]

they also could have easilly built a delay into their timeline, and had it delayed more because they assumed to get it back and didnt

[pulsar depot]

Send it to media and get feedback.

[cursive beacon]

apparently floatplane might be preventing cancelations now

[shell sentinel]

is that legal?

[pulsar depot]

I’d like to see that hold up at scale

[cursive beacon]

no of course not

https://old.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15rxg3k/it_seems_floatplane_disabled_option_to_cancel/

[pure crescent]

They usually do not delay development and production when sending stuff to media for feedback because it is literally not their best prototype

[cinder gate]

I sincerely doubt this

[pure crescent]

Ok hold up... lets flip it

[pulsar depot]

It doesn’t matter what people “usually” do. That’s not what they did

They had an agreement

That agreement was not followed

[cursive beacon]

apparently it's a weird mobile app issue

it's on the web version still

[cinder gate]

yep there you go

[pulsar depot]

It’s a 2 person company. They don’t have thousands of prototypes to send out

[pure crescent]

Lets say Tesla creates a new car. It's their best version of a prototype. They send it to MKBHD who ends up wrecking the thing because he's reviewing it. Who's at fault

[pulsar depot]

This isn’t Intel that can dedicate an entire fab to an engineering sample

And comparing them to Tesla is not even remotely possible

It’s 2 people vs the richest man in the world

[young forum]

Actually, when companies are doing promotions they generally will send their best prototype/samples.

Because otherwise you're showcasing an inferior product.

[pure crescent]

you are taking it to the extreme when I simply said do not give them your only version of teh best prototype. Give them the 2nd or 3rd one you've made

[uneven jetty]

Also custom CnC milled metal is expensive as fuck.

[pulsar depot]

You just compared this to a Tesla scenario, this has already reached the extremes

[shell sentinel]

yea why wouldnt you want to be shown off in your best light?

[pure crescent]

but is it the only one and is it in a state where they cannot recreate it?

[shell sentinel]

they never said they couldnt recreate it

[pure crescent]

thats because yall said I'm victim blaming when I'm simply saying LTT is bad and Billetlabs has something to learn from this

[shell sentinel]

they assumed they would be getting it back, so they decided it was not worth the time/effort to try and make a new one

[pulsar depot]

You literally are victim blaming

[pure crescent]

Then whats the issue?

[pulsar depot]

That statement in of itself is victim blaming

“He was in the wrong but she shouldn’t have worn that dress” type vibes

[shell sentinel]

they were told multiple times they would be getting it back, and it had a high individual cost to them due to their size

[pure crescent]

But they literally have to? The product was supposed to release within the next 3 months

[shell sentinel]

and I am sure they are working on one now

[young forum]

You've pulled the 'can't recreate it' bit out of thin air.

[shell sentinel]

but we have no idea how long it would take to make another prototype

for all we know, it took 3mo to make it

[ember depot]

How the duck is it not MKBHD?

are you seriously going to say the fault lies with the one who didn't crash the thing?

because that's inane

[pure crescent]

If Tesla cannot recreate it then theyre both at fault

[tawdry peak]

.......It would be 975% MKBHD's fault what are you thinking about.

What.

[hexed vault]

[cinder gate]

Telsa is not "at fault" for crashing the car

this is madness

[pulsar depot]

.

[pure crescent]

Who said MKBHD was the one who caused the accident?

[ember depot]

what the shite is this logic

if I loan you the mona Lisa for your gallery

[tawdry peak]

..............You literally said MKBHD wrecked it when he was reviewing it.

[ember depot]

and you shit on it

[jade vale]

I would pay for that

[shell sentinel]

see, the key word being "accident"

[ember depot]

is it my fault that I didn't expect a priceless painting to be used as toilet paper?

[pulsar depot]

Classy toilet paper

[pure crescent]

If you loan me the mona lisa and some random people throw paint on it is that my fault?

[pulsar depot]

Yes

[cinder gate]

yes

[shell sentinel]

auctioning off something you promised to send back is hardly an "accident"

[ember depot]

Is it your fault if YOU throw paint on it?

because hell yes it is

[tawdry peak]

Yes because you are supposed to properly safeguard it.

[cerulean pebble]

yes

[young forum]

At this point it's entirely a hypothetical that you're adding things to at random.

This is pointless and just spamming the channel. We get it, you really want to blame Billet for some reason and are happy inventing facts to fit your narrative.

[shell sentinel]

like, FLIR would (rightfully) be pissed if I tried to auciton off their camera they loaned me

[tawdry peak]

Seen Glass Onion?

[pulsar depot]

When you rent a car and someone else crashes it, you’re at fault

Because you took responsibility of that car for the rental period

[shell sentinel]

I also think that is totally different though

cause again, the key word being "accident"

like, LTT straight up ghosted them

it is hard to say that is an "accident"

[pulsar depot]

True, you’d still be at fault even in an accident, so it goes double if it’s not

[pure crescent]

that I can agree with. But I'm not gonna say it wasn't a mistake by Billet to pretty much risk their business when teh product wasn't even ready for some exposure. I get wanting feedback but I'm sure LTT is hardly the first person anyone thinks of to get feedback from... but hey thats how the cookie crumbles sometimes

[shell sentinel]

it was a risk they decided to take sure

no denying that

but what happened was not even something I would have considered as a potential risk

[pure crescent]

I agree

[shell sentinel]

hell, even if billet DIDNT want it back, I still think auctioning it off was wrong

[ember depot]

Is your point now seriously that a multimillion dollar company with 15 m subscribers and good outreach potential are not a company one can trust with returning your product intact?

[pure crescent]

But there are risks involved in the process. Just because it wasn't the risk you thought it was doesn't mean it was the best ccourse of action for the business

[shell sentinel]

but you can take actions to mitigate those risks

[cinder gate]

everything you are saying is completely unrelated to what actually happened

[shell sentinel]

for all you know, they shipped it using express tracking with insurance

they could have taken every precaution in their power, and this still would have happened

[ember depot]

bullshit. You make decisions based on a risk assessment of reasonable risks. And nowhere in a risk assessment is "linus decided to sell it" a reasonable risk to account for

[elfin nacelle]

I mean

"not getting it back" is a completely possible risk

[pure crescent]

^ which is my point

[elfin nacelle]

also

I swear they talked about this ages ago, about review samples, but I don't care to look into it

[glad meadow]

"not getting it back" is a risk (not a reasonable one, given the circumstances but I'll bite). It can get lost in transit, stolen by the UPS driver, etc.

... "a well-established business forgot about our business agreement, ignored out emails, and sold our prototype" is not something you plan or prepare for.

[cinder gate]

And it's not like the company is out of business. They didn't risk EVERYTHING on this

[ember depot]

but you calculate that risk based on the ways one might not get it back, like loss in transit, etc.

Nowhere does massive reviewer misconduct factor in

[final cipher]

Linus was making R-word jokes live like two weeks ago

[shell sentinel]

and the loss in transit you can protect against with insuance

[glad meadow]

With that much gross misconduct you can sue.

[pulsar depot]

^

[shell sentinel]

yea, and for damages also as they sold it possibly to a potential competitor

[pulsar depot]

This goes into gross negligence, not a reasonable mistake that would normally be accounted for with a risk assessment

[ember depot]

and yes

[glad meadow]

The problem is that a 2-person operation running out of their garage likely doesn't have the money to pursue lengthly legal action.

[ember depot]

this is absolutely gross negigence

[uneven jetty]

Also as a prototype had LTT reviewed it fairly they could have actually used that feedback. In return all they got was a sample gone to the void, a video that unfairly showed the product, and Linus just going it's a dumb idea even if it worked flawlessly.

[ember depot]

like I said, replace Billetlabs with AMD and suddenly LTT is bankrupt

[uneven jetty]

If Linus truely thought that then why even accept a review sample and produce a video in the first place?

[glad meadow]

"It's neat"

[shell sentinel]

yea I mentioned this before, for all we know they specifically wanted to wait to see Linus's feedback

also, one of the GN quotes made it sound like they also sent a 3090ti over?

in which case, LTT has absolutely no excuse for trying it on a 4090

[glad meadow]

4090 gets more clicks than a 3090Ti

duh

[shell sentinel]

but billet literally sent them a damn card to use

[glad meadow]

Nobody cares to see it cool a last gen product

[shell sentinel]

why would you not use that fucking card

[tawdry peak]

So, content quality control issue

Like, they wouldnt literally ignore Nvidia's review guidelines

but for a start up they just throw it all out of the window.

So you can add a point to "preferential treatment based on influence with the people they work with"

[final cipher]

Cause 4090 sells clicks?

[shell sentinel]

this is also absolutely egregous considering this was AFTER linus said they had agreed to compensate them

[uneven jetty]

I mean this is universal.

[shell sentinel]

FOUND IT

"we will send back the waterblock and 3090ti"

implying that they were sent a 3090ti explictly to test with

[pulsar depot]

How the fuck is that good news

[tawdry peak]

[shell sentinel]

it makes their excuse that they "couldnt find a 3090ti to test with" absolute bullshit

[young forum]

They were, at least according to Steve (it was mentioned in the original video LMG also owed Billet a GPU).

[pulsar depot]

That’s literally some of the worst news possible bar “we ripped your design and are now selling our own version of your product”

[final cipher]

Wait who is selling a version of it?

[pulsar depot]

Hypothetical

Not happening that I know of

[safe pulsar]

using bar in a sentence, nice.

[young forum]

Also, per the previous conversation, this is from Billet's response:

"About the future of Billet Labs: We don't plan to mourn our missing block, we're already hard at work making another one to use for PC case development, as well as other media and marketing opportunities. Yes it sucks that the prototype has gone, it's slowed us but has absolutely not stopped us. We have pre-orders for it, and plan to push ahead with our first production run as soon as we can."

So it definitely wasn't something that they couldn't recreate. It would have just been very nice to get the prototype back and they had an understanding that it would be sent back.

[glad meadow]

The bigger concern is that the prototype could be in the hands of a competitor

[safe pulsar]

eh, it wasn't anything revolutionary afaik - if it was they'd have a technical patent. a competitor would still have to spend money to bring it to market - and who would touch it? it's a niche product, every nerd would know they stole it. And I doubt Shenzhen inc. sent someone to the auction just to get their hands on it.

[pure crescent]

Then it all works out and now they have a fan base of people and better marketing than they were hoping for

[pulsar depot]

Patents aren’t easy to get

Even if you qualify for one it can take years for it to approve

Not to mention the costs associated with doing so

[safe pulsar]

iirc when it comes to a court case you just have to prove date of application filed

[pulsar depot]

Yeah that worked out great for lifeproof

Literally the most ripped off case of all time

[young forum]

I mean, they're still not happy that LMG lied to them about returning the prototype, that delayed their making a new one as they expected it back, and also sold their property without permission.

So I wouldn't say things worked out so much as they're making the best of it.

[jolly raptor]

regardless of the BilletLabs situation, if u r a brand and want some promotion for ur product, how tf can u trust LTT to be fair and not just misrepresent ur product and trash it

[safe pulsar]

still doubt competitors stealing stuff would be their biggest concern vs just the costs of not having your best prototype

[pulsar depot]

They would be crazy if it wasn’t their biggest concern

[shell sentinel]

the only positive is that they have now gotten way more marketing than they could have ever hoped for

[winter kiln]

oh wtf this thing from billet labs is sad

small little company trying something cool out

linus trumps them down cuz bad when using an incompatible gpu

[safe pulsar]

maybe im just dumb, but it wouldn't be mine. chances are some nerd copped it at the auction and is using it now 🤷‍♂️

[shell sentinel]

when they literally sent him a 3080ti to use

[winter kiln]

wait they did?

also do you mean 3090 ti

[shell sentinel]

yes.

sorry yea 3090ti

not 3080ti

but they provided a GPU to use

[winter kiln]

wtfhfh`?

[shell sentinel]

and he just didnt.

[winter kiln]

GRUH

[shell sentinel]

this quote says it all.

[ember depot]

And the first hit is still the LTT video roasting the block

so this isn't even the case

[shell sentinel]

damn I just assumed they would have pulled it

[winter kiln]

this is a yikes moment wtf

[safe pulsar]

I first read this as "we'll give you one of our 3090ti as a payment for time wasted/shit video"

[winter kiln]

gives you the waterblock and the gpu to test it on
doesnt use the gpu

[young forum]

This also isn't the first time Linus has hung onto something he was supposed to send back, at least according to him it isn't (it could have been a joke but in multiple videos he's said something like 'this is a review sample we were supposed to send back but are doing X instead').

[shell sentinel]

TBF frequently companies never ask for things back

like, I have a shit ton of hardware around that is on "loan" and I am sure the company forgot about

[severe crown]

I just watched the gn response, billet labs story got even worse 💀

[young forum]

True, and that probably is one of the reasons that the block got sold - Linus isn't used to people wanting their stuff back.

[shell sentinel]

hell, I have one camera that legally can't even be sold to the general public

it requires govt approval

[jolly raptor]

honestly i think Linus' response about BilletLabs is is him getting his lawsuit defense up early. I think he realized they majorly fucked up but they cant rly admit it because that's probably grounds to sue

[pulsar depot]

1984 camera

[shell sentinel]

more like military grade thermal infrared

[pulsar depot]

I honestly don’t believe he understands the extent of the problem

Like, at all

It seems he still believes it’s just an “oopsie” moment

[uneven jetty]

Russian tank manufactuer wants to know your location

[pulsar depot]

I don’t think he understands this is a very real problem with very real legal implications

[shell sentinel]

the best part is I am pretty sure they forgot we have it

[jade vale]

Don’t visit the war thunder forums anytime soon

[jolly raptor]

a company as big as LMG has to know that this isnt just an oopsie. They have big name CEO on the payroll and a lot of ppl who are prolly sane and realize what's happening

[pulsar depot]

The fact his response is just buried in a forum on his own website (not even a dedicated post at that, it’s just a reply in a thread) speaks volumes to me.

[shell sentinel]

nah it is getting your hands on the actual hardware that is hard, nothing is secret

[shell sentinel]

yea this was wacky

[jolly raptor]

the worst response from a company i've heard from in a long time. literally more damaging than the video itself

[shell sentinel]

feels like he should have taken a day or two if needed and created a video

considering that is literally what he does

[tawdry peak]

And he doubled down on it later...

[pulsar depot]

Neither of them are “big name CEOs”. Taran was an editor. Linus is just the face of the brand

[cinder gate]

different taran

would you believe it

[pulsar depot]

Honestly surprised.

Would you believe that?

[cinder gate]

taran is big business boy

as opposed to taran, the editor

[pulsar depot]

That makes a load more sense

But still

[jolly raptor]

Taran has CEO experience before though, im suprised that he even let Linus put out that post. This is typical Linus, but I thought things would be more professional with Taran

[pulsar depot]

Well, to recover my fumble, There’s a difference between a ceo and PR

[safe pulsar]

holding on to stuff they shouldn't is company culture at this point - like every Intel/AMD upgrade video has Linus commenting on how half the tech in the employee's house* is 'from the office'.

[severe crown]

At least it's company property then

[hardy abyss]

just watched the GN video. Holy bombshell of a video

[pulsar depot]

Videos*

[nimble jetty]

GUYS

YOU

ARE

[hardy abyss]

always knew LTT made errors but not this bad

[nimble jetty]

ALL

NERDS

bow

[safe pulsar]

just a really really bad habbit to not rectify - shouldnt be a thing after having 5 employees tbh

[sturdy granite]

Its a pretty level video. He could have dived much deeper into the Framework conflict of interest stuff.

[pulsar depot]

[lost lynx]

Hi inversion, how you doing fellow nerd o/

[nimble jetty]

now enjoy the shitshow

https://tenor.com/view/joker-laugh-batman-gif-13316597

[lost lynx]

What a huge shitshow

[pulsar depot]

Can we get pppartynerdparrot

[hardy abyss]

i still watch LTT for entertainment purposes , but their heavily invested lab is now called into question!!!

[tawdry peak]

[hardy abyss]

digmouse mousedig

[lost lynx]

digimaus

[tawdry peak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15rxni4/our_public_statement_regarding_ltt/

[lost lynx]

The silver lining.

[winter kiln]

LMAO linus not spending $200-500 in employee time to test the waterblock with the provided and supported gpu

[jade vale]

You first

[sturdy granite]

I think GN Steve is just pissed because he sunk $50k onto a fan tester and the only content it has provided is to say "all fans are basically the same".

[winter kiln]

that vid is prob making 4-5 figures meanwhile he too cheap to pay that little to come to a completely different conclusion that doesnt fuck over this little startup holy shit

[lost lynx]

I heard that line and I thought I heard it somewhere else before

[stable yew]

It is worth remembering that LTT and GN are direct competitors with regards to this yeah

[elfin nacelle]

fuckin techsource

[lost lynx]

wait whos that guy again

ive been OOTL for a while

[stable yew]

I think GN makes a lot of good points overall but just worth considering

And I like GNs stuff

[elfin nacelle]

he's just a meme tuber

[lost lynx]

Oh.

[elfin nacelle]

doesn't really do anything worth watching

[winter kiln]

finally it can be objectively answered

[hardy abyss]

wonder how linus fanboys react to this one

[winter kiln]

it seems like they support gn except the floatplane suckups

[lost lynx]

This really is "with greater power comes great responsibilities"

[jolly raptor]

i think this is an important thing to note, GN is the main rival to LTT. This could be a killshot against LTT basically saaying "welcome to our neck of the woods" and and that LTT cant compete with GN

[elfin nacelle]

not even close I would say

they're completely different audiences

[sturdy granite]

Yeah.

[jolly raptor]

they both have been doing dick measuring competitons about psu testers and sound proof chamberslike the sound proof chamber video was suprised drop out of nowehre where

[winter kiln]

i wonder if this billet labs problem will cause some companies to hesitate to send products for coverage

[hardy abyss]

LTT still has the casual non-tech audience

[sturdy granite]

They pretty much self select their audience.

[winter kiln]

since theyll just misuse it then shit on the product

[lost lynx]

The type of content is much different anyway

[sturdy granite]

I struggle to get through a GN video and I'm a bit of a nerd.

[jade vale]

Ones for falling asleep, ones for laughing at it

[cinder gate]

yeah they can be a hard watch

[elfin nacelle]

It's nice background noise to make me feel I'm smart

[winter kiln]

gn is very good but very zzzz

[lost lynx]

I usually just skip to the conclusions for GN videos

[jolly raptor]

LTT is trying to encroach on GN's lane but GN isnt lying in the video. All i see is facts

[cinder gate]

this isn't a war

chill out

[elfin nacelle]

GN is trying to protect the space, not fix ltt

[sturdy granite]

I think they've raised important points about ethics in the space though.

[lost lynx]

Watching GN is like reading a journal article. They have all the methodology laid out, result data and everything, but what I am interested is the discussion and conclusion section

[jolly raptor]

for sure, this isnt to take away anything from what GN said

[sturdy granite]

Because you can't behave like a little start up YouTube channel when you're a 100mill company with 10mill views/vid and 100 employees.

[jolly raptor]

but LTT and GN have been sending subliminals to each other for a bit now

[winter kiln]

WHAT??!??! holy shit this is a bitch move
billet labs: sends its best prototype
ltt: uses the product completely wrong

THEN SELLS THE THING ON AN AUCTION WITHOUT PERMISSION

[hardy abyss]

are the ltt forums down btw?

[elfin nacelle]

hug of death

[hardy abyss]

i wanted some reactions from the fanboys!!

[stable yew]

they're getting hugged yeah

[sturdy granite]

The clips from all the established staff even Linus saying 'i wish we had more time to do stuff right' was really telling.

[stable yew]

Most large companies do an internal survey like that and actually try to implement stuff

[hardy abyss]

that was the employees rate linus video right? I remember that

[uneven jetty]

would not be supprised if some script kiddie is out there DDoSing them.

[winter kiln]

omfg and now development is stalled cuz they dont have their best prototype

what the fuck this is a bitch move

[stable yew]

no there's a lot of people making new accounts

[winter kiln]

for a little two employee startup

[lost lynx]

800 bucks of a copper prototype block and mf just auctions it

[jolly raptor]

i wonder how Luke feels about all of this, like he is publically telling Linus to his face that he's been messing up and Linus is sticking his head in the sand

[winter kiln]

and they sent it for free right?

[lost lynx]

unsure, out of the loop on this

[winter kiln]

i think they did

[rose hedge]

how Luke feels is probably something like, "Cringe, but I still get paid"

[winter kiln]

stole 800 buckaroos + fuck them over

[winter kiln]

oh yeah and they also dont have their gpu

sucks to suck!

[elfin nacelle]

Completely separate company, has been out of LTT for ages

I'm sure he has thoughts, but isn't require to give anything, and I doubt he will

[jolly raptor]

he's still on WAN show and is still a part of LMG

[elfin nacelle]

Sure

But there's a reason why the engineers at intel don't get to walk on stage and talk about the new shit

[jolly raptor]

he has publically on WAN show told Linus that's Linus is in the wrong

on the warranty, the BilletLabs

the hard "r" situation

[lost lynx]

reading a few of the LTT subreddit comments and most people seem to agree on the comments made by steve

[jolly raptor]

He is still massively affiliated with LMG and all of this has to hurt his company as well

[lost lynx]

also the framework conflict of interest is concerning

[hardy abyss]

good, some fans are still level headed. Tho a true fan should strive for the betterment of the content creator , not blindly trust everything they do

[lost lynx]

I invested in framework
hey heres a review of a framework product, a product of a company I have investments in!

[hardy abyss]

almost wanted to buy a framework

[uneven jetty]

I was a labs defender before and I always though GN was a little drama heavy before but I think Steve was 100% right on this one.

[winter kiln]

tbf wouldnt you want to cover your investment

at least he makes it clear that he is biased

[hardy abyss]

i'll cover you

[elfin nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-umm-what-what-gif-14694719

[stable yew]

I like Steve but it reminds me a little of the "heartbreaking the worst person you know made a great point"

[jade vale]

Regretting it?

[winter kiln]

​

[jolly raptor]

also tbf, it doesnt seem like LMG's laptop reviews are affected that much by Linus' investment

[hardy abyss]

when i was laptop shoppping last year that is

[tropic crystal]

I don't really have a reason to base this on, but i'd think that frameworks are pretty terrible to use.

[lost lynx]

I do want a framework but its not because of watching that LTT video

[elfin nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/already-have-gif-25238515

[stable yew]

I don't really know if that's true

[winter kiln]

how come?

[hardy abyss]

i was considering framework cuz you guys kept talkin bout it

[stable yew]

what's your experience been

[hardy abyss]

before LTT made their video

[elfin nacelle]

unusable battery life.

[lost lynx]

oh brilliant.

well, there goes.

[elfin nacelle]

2-3hrs on a good day.

[winter kiln]

ah rip, how long you usually last?

[elfin nacelle]

I've had it die in 2

[jade vale]

Only gripe or main gripe?

[stable yew]

holy shit

[winter kiln]

doing what

[tropic crystal]

Called it, lol

[elfin nacelle]

next to nothing.

[winter kiln]

yikkesss

[stable yew]

I was thinking about getting a LG Gram, those look nice

[elfin nacelle]

web browsing is like all I do, for work

[winter kiln]

yeah that sucks

[elfin nacelle]

maybe excel/word

[elfin nacelle]

x86 mobile is dead to me

[lost lynx]

yeah no that thing is gonna die in 1/2 of my GIS lecture isnt it

[winter kiln]

fingers crossed for zen4 laptops with the updated batteries?

[shell sentinel]

Ally tho 🥺

[stable yew]

it'd die running CLion for me

[elfin nacelle]

amd could barely get their last gen shit in more than a handful of laptops, and they never had good availability

Like, you can get a 6800u... in like... 2 machines?

[tropic crystal]

CLion lol

[elfin nacelle]

it's basically all thinkpads

[ember depot]

they reviewed a mouse with the tape on the bottom and released a review

[winter kiln]

well it wont stay like that forever right

[hardy abyss]

the LTT guy sounded so confident when he called out GN and HUB for not using new hardware

[jolly raptor]

honestly, i dont think the video was that damaging to LMG (aside for the BilletLabs upcoming lawsuit). but Linus' response to it is egregious. It's understandable (sloppy yes but understandable) that LMG hasnt been as accurate as they could be with the intake of new employees. THings to work on, but it's not brand destroying. But Linus needs to put down his ego and get his company together and better instead of fighting the whole community.

[lost lynx]

heres hoping

[elfin nacelle]

I don't have high expectations

intel is entrenched in that dept

[winter kiln]

true

[ember depot]

I don't think it is understandable

[winter kiln]

but they seemed to do very well with the zen2 and zen3 apus

[ember depot]

not when they push their multibillion dollar laboratories

and how much testing they do

[winter kiln]

especially with efficiency which also has gotten a lot better in zen4

[shell sentinel]

Z1E goes BURRRR tho

[elfin nacelle]

Oh, sure, it's just their availability is fucked and the pricing doesn't help either

[elfin nacelle]

handhelds are just a different story

[ember depot]

this is inexcusable

[winter kiln]

yeah that sucks :/

[lost lynx]

Don't forget confusing naming schemes

[jade vale]

I have my doubts on the lawsuit. The company is a 2 man team, I think they have better things to do

[elfin nacelle]

they're more akin to consoles

[winter kiln]

x86

[shell sentinel]

Z1E is just a 7840u tho

[elfin nacelle]

intel is fucked too in that dept

[lost lynx]

[severe crown]

Tbf dell workstations are just as bad in my experience

[jolly raptor]

they are new to the space, i honestly dont expect them to get to be that good. They should shut their fucking mouths though and not call out other YT channels like LMG Labs is some hot shit.

[elfin nacelle]

It's a problem with x86 in general

[jolly raptor]

i doubt it too, but it is prolly grounds to sue (im not a laywer, but if that was AMD, Intel or a bigger company, LMG would be fucked)

[ember depot]

it's precisely because of what you said that I do not think it is understandable, as that shows that they do not live up to even their own standard

[jolly raptor]

fair

[stable yew]

I guess I should just get a MacBook lol

[elfin nacelle]

probably.

[ember depot]

if they're going to call others out and push their own, then we expect the talk to be walked

[elfin nacelle]

it certainly depends on what you do

but if it's just "using a laptop cuz I can't be at my pc"

[winter kiln]

ltt coping

[stable yew]

I'm not really in the market right now but I will be soonish

[stable yew]

I'm a CS student

[elfin nacelle]

probably fine, really

[jolly raptor]

LTT needs to apologize, stfu and put out good content

that's all they need to do

also stop with the dick jokes on camera

wtf are we in middle school, why does every video have some sex joke in it

[hardy abyss]

Prob cuz vast part of their audience prob is

[lost lynx]

at this point apple sillicon+remote desktop sounds like a good idea

probably the best idea

[winter kiln]

problem is

more videos = more money

[stable yew]

I've had such bad experiences with remote due to latency and the screen size is always fucked for me

[hardy abyss]

Mo money

[lost lynx]

yeah, thats been my issue as well

[winter kiln]

all corporate issues boils down to greed

[shell sentinel]

depends what you are doing

[hardy abyss]

It's true. The YouTube algorithm favors creators that pump out videos daily

[tropic crystal]

You can't do what you want to get done using a CLI?

[winter kiln]

• more sponsorships + more ad rev

if you pump out videos thats consistent moneh

[shell sentinel]

VS Code also has SSH addons that allow easy editing in a "local" editor

[hardy abyss]

But there's always exceptions like mark rober who does once a month and generates absurd amount of views over time

[winter kiln]

oh yeah or like mrbeast

[hardy abyss]

Mr roast beast

[winter kiln]

youtube have been favoring those more actually

but especially when you always have a sponsor, thats consistent money

[shell sentinel]

I still stand by that moving to videos for hardware reviews was the wrong direction.

it is a shit medium for a hardware review.

[tropic crystal]

Hm, so you could just be on a host and use the VSC there on the machine using the SSH protocol?

[shell sentinel]

espeically if you are trying to be technical

[jolly raptor]

there are plenty of ways that he could have his cake and eat it too. Maybe spin off the review content into a different channel while LTT stays goofy with doing fun projects

[stable yew]

I haven't completely tried some of jet brains CLI/remote tools yet

[shell sentinel]

it runs VSC locally and just maps the folders in VSC

[stable yew]

Supposedly they're working on something

[winter kiln]

yeah true, the idea seemed great tho

[shell sentinel]

which idea?\

[winter kiln]

data driven reviews for objectively conclusions brought to the masses

[stable yew]

we use SSH for our university cluster

[leaden bison]

Maybe an actual labs channel with good testing

[winter kiln]

problem just is, its been very poorly executed thus far

[tropic crystal]

That's pretty neat. When i need to edit code remotely i just (n)vim it lol

[shell sentinel]

I think you might also need FTP for the VS thing to work

[shell sentinel]

using vim

[stable yew]

We've done okay without any ftp tools to my knowledge. The official ssh extension is pretty good

[tropic crystal]

It has a learning curve, but anyone could use it

[stable yew]

Our biggest problem is the server files taking up space on students folder

[lost lynx]

idk if this is a niche thing but using ArcGIS on chrome remote desktop is a pain in the ass, the file changes take forever to load

[stable yew]

They have a 500 mb limit

[shell sentinel]

sure, but why would you when GUI editors exist

[uneven jetty]

In all honesty the actual lab testing could be fine. It's just acuratly representing that data that needs a ton of work. Seems there is a large gap between the lab and the writing/editing team.

[shell sentinel]

I am not against the idea, I am against using videos as the medium to present the data

[cursive bramble]

LTT when AMD wraith stealth does better than a NZXT X63

[winter kiln]

well sadly thats the only way to bring it to the masses

[shell sentinel]

because videos encourage bad practices for hardware reviews

[winter kiln]

people dont read anymore

[tropic crystal]

Force of habit i guess. Been using it for a while, and at this point in time it's just a predisposition type of deal.

[winter kiln]

and need brain stimulation to care

[lost lynx]

Readers are a dying breed

[shell sentinel]

people are wrong.

[tropic crystal]

Also useful when remoting, but not that i do that alot.

[shell sentinel]

I stand by that just cause people do something, doesnt make it good/right

[lament condor]

https://youtu.be/X3byz3txpso

[winter kiln]

wdym

[shell sentinel]

people are fucking dumb

[tropic crystal]

Slavery was common, for example

[winter kiln]

ahhh in that way

yep lmao

[tropic crystal]

At least that's how i'm interpreting what they're putting down.

[uneven jetty]

I have noticed a lot of people don't read anymore. Like I link people to technical documentation and then they just ask for example code or want a udemy/plualsight course...

In the tech world you have to be able to read.

No one is going to narrate the USB protocol spec sheet to you.

[shell sentinel]

or SD card reader specs stares at Ally community

[lost lynx]

Me asking people to read the assignment instructions instead of doing it for them

[winter kiln]

dude and documentation is whats impossible to use in video form

cant ctrl f search this and easily go back and forth

have to sit and watch through like ???

[shell sentinel]

@uneven jetty those are the same people that just asked to copy your homework before class

[tropic crystal]

I see what you mean. I've come to realize that those people usually aren't the sharpest tools

[winter kiln]

why would people prefer that

[elfin nacelle]

epitome of the help channels.

[shell sentinel]

yea and I can scroll through it quickly and spend how much time I want on each chart/graph

[tropic crystal]

Not that there is anything wrong with example code or courses though.

Those are great tools for beginners, but more advanced users have no need for them

[lost lynx]

documentation probably is more complete too

[winter kiln]

"just answer the question!!!"

[shell sentinel]

hahhahahaha

that is a funny joke

good doc?

[winter kiln]

he didnt say good doc, just better doc

[shell sentinel]

just be MATLAB and hire doc writers

[winter kiln]

just cost $99999 a year

[shell sentinel]

yea there should be more paid programming languages

[winter kiln]

C++ premium

[uneven jetty]

I agree but even when I was first starting out I read the official docs in conjunction with whatever course I was following. Official docs give you context and will cover things the tutorial might not.

[shell sentinel]

VS

[winter kiln]

true...

[shell sentinel]

VS is $$$$

Intel has theirs also

[winter kiln]

they should change the name

[winter kiln]

assembly?

[shell sentinel]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/tools/oneapi/dpc-compiler.html

[winter kiln]

ah

dude

i saw some video once

where a guy put snake in a qr code

[sturdy granite]

Wait this is ltt discussion not #techdiscussion

[shell sentinel]

@winter kiln fun fact, AFAIK Intel's fortran compiler for windows is like, the only option for a Fortran compiler on windows

[winter kiln]

wrote some hyper space efficient version in assembly smack in a qr code

[shell sentinel]

yea I got distracted

[winter kiln]

arrghh

[winter kiln]

gruh lmao

[sturdy granite]

C'umon people work with me here!

GN gud LtT bad etc and so forth.

[winter kiln]

i mean we were shidding on ltt not that long ago

[knotty reef]

where is my j2c hate...

[upper phoenix]

Has someone already linked the billet statement from the LTT subreddit?

[knotty reef]

if only there were pins.

[elfin nacelle]

I'm just waiting for the vid

my popcorn's gettin cold

[upper phoenix]

Don't see it in pins.

[knotty reef]

he cant pile on this, he would get ripped apart.

[uneven jetty]

I mean I don't think he even tries to be credible lol. He's the Alex Jones of PC YouTubers (the crazy hot takes part, not the other stuff).

[sturdy granite]

He's in the GN comments acting all high and mighty.

[knotty reef]

fully expected :D.

[rose hedge]

the guy is a misinfo techtuber himself

but more on the side of reactionary clickbait situations

[uneven jetty]

GN has skin in the game as they push the objective journalism angle pretty hard.

[rose hedge]

rather than innacurate reviews

[winter kiln]

then again its jayz

[winter kiln]

called it

[sturdy granite]

I've gotta say as someone who put out content for a year, it's really interesting.

Particularly speed Vs accuracy. As a one man band it was impossible to keep up.

[knotty reef]

I would never feel it was ready.

[sturdy granite]

I got a fortnight to test and review the i9-11900k. And they gave us a new bios 5 days before release.

[hardy abyss]

holy jesus what happened with billet labs is painful

[sturdy granite]

I released that fucker blind on minute of release.... And got numbers consistent with the other trusted 'tubers.

And my flight sim performance review took 3 months on and off.

And then amd released the 5800x3d like a month later and rendered everything else redundant.

[winter kiln]

dude ikr

two guys with their startup company sending their best prototype along with a gpu to test it

ltt: uses the wrong gpu

[jolly raptor]

i just hope things change but lets be honest its not going to unless LMG bottom line is affected

[winter kiln]

shits on them

then sells it without permission

• still didnt send them the 3090 ti or any compensation

like what the fuck

[upper phoenix]

Well, their latest video is doing relatively poorly. Whether it's because it is useless drivel or anger, idk.

[winter kiln]

gruhhhh and the prototype was also a lot more than just $800

probably thousands

so get fucked lol + stalled production

and ltt didnt even consider sending a dime their way until gn mentioned it

[shell sentinel]

LTT ghosted

[winter kiln]

[winter kiln]

wait but why

if they are being reimbursed for its full value thats a lot theyll gain back

or i guess they dont want to make ltt look good?

[shell sentinel]

I meant LTT ghosted them

like, until GN forced their hand

[winter kiln]

oh yeah lol

but they also didnt respond back

[shell sentinel]

yet, but they just got the email

[upper phoenix]

Honeslty it mostly sounds like LMG is completely overworked and someone looked at it and did something else because it wasn't something on fire (to them).

[shell sentinel]

I am sure they will respond back

[winter kiln]

oh nvm they have come to an agreement

doesnt take away from the actual dick move

[winter kiln]

what is the real issue here?

corporate greed

all issues of large companies

[shell sentinel]

I didnt think they did yet

[winter kiln]

more videos = more money

[upper phoenix]

A mix of money and incomptence.

[shell sentinel]

@winter kiln Linux claimed they had come to an agreement before billet even replied

[upper phoenix]

Like, it might actually cost a substantial amount to do all this right.

At their scale.

[winter kiln]

fixing incompetence costs money, we all fuck up but the difference is one doesnt pay to solve their mistakes

[winter kiln]

ohh yeah

this shit confusing lmao

they agreed to send it back

and then they were like

whoops !

sold it :P

[shell sentinel]

yea, didnt apologize, then ghosted

[hexed vault]

Hm

[uneven jetty]

To be fair LTT gets a ton of free samples they don't have to return. We also don't know if there was an upfront agreement that the sample be returned or not. Now the non dick move would be to return it when asked if there is no agreement but I don't fault LTT for not doing that first thing if there was no contractual obligation to do so.

[sturdy granite]

The thing about the incompetence is it's endemic.

I have no faith that Linus is any better at running a large corporation, or handling his investments and liabilities, than he is at getting a simple graph right.

[winter kiln]

yikers dont you love billet labs talking privately to ltt to arrange and solve the issue formally meanwhile linus ghosts them and rants + talks semantics publically, misrepresenting their intentions

[winter kiln]

yeah thats true

but then again

i would double check you can sell something before you sell it lmao

[upper phoenix]

This is the real issue. There is endemic incompetence followed by seeming ambivalence to fix it properly.

[winter kiln]

and especially with such a one of a kind prototype from a tiny company

like this is a huge loss to them, literally halted development

[upper phoenix]

Also, the new CEO needs to pull any ability to make statements away from Linus.

[winter kiln]

lmao true

[upper phoenix]

He is so dogshit poor at PR.

[shell sentinel]

OK but Nvidia/AMD would still not let them auction off a prototype of one of their cards

[winter kiln]

but even then we know he wont stop ranting on wan show

[shell sentinel]

so that doesn't excuse it

[sturdy granite]

Yeah. His honest best response was to say and do nothing for 24hrs and just let it sink in.

[knotty reef]

and pause uploads.

[uneven jetty]

Right, and they sure as hell would have had a contract drafted by a lawyer stating just that.

[ember depot]

the real thing is that it is wilful. esp after saying he didn't want to spend 500 dollars to test it properly

[winter kiln]

nonono, that would stop the money flow you see

[sturdy granite]

Dude, the schedule. The Algorithm!. Have you learned nothing?!?!.

[cursive beacon]

nah they didn't sell it they auctioned it for charity it's fine

[young forum]

He really can't, Linus is the majority shareholder of a completely private company (with his wife being the other owner).

Linus still controls the company and can do what he wants.

[upper phoenix]

And talk to a ton of other people there. Get his employees' input because they seem a lot more down to Earth.

[winter kiln]

i wonder how the person who bought this feels

[sturdy granite]

He's got 4k footage of them telling him what's wrong. Lol.

[sturdy granite]

Great. Its in cad in a Chinese factory as we speak.

[shell sentinel]

and GN loves using it

[upper phoenix]

Sure, but the CEO can tell him "you don't do X, Y, Z now, and if you do I step down because you've just violated our company structure".

[winter kiln]

yeah only difference is people report to the ceo by default now

[upper phoenix]

If Linus overreaches on the CEO's duties, CEO should step down. That's not a healthy way to function.

[pulsar depot]

And then it’s a game of mental poker. Who’s bluffing

[sturdy granite]

I bet that CEO (wtf is up with his teeth btw?) Is ruing that move. "I left intel for these fucking children?!)

[winter kiln]

sarcasm?

[cursive beacon]

inb4 Terran leaves LMG starts Terran media group, LMG dies and tries to buy assets from LMG

[young forum]

Sure, although given that the CEO is an old friend of Linus' I don't see that happening or his being willing to impose those limits.

[cursive beacon]

the NCIX cycle continues

[upper phoenix]

Man, never go into business/work for friends.

[uneven jetty]

@shell sentinel When I worked at Costco I knew a lot of people on the buying team and all the time they would get random samples from vendors. So I get the logistics headache of keeping track of all that. LTT probably gets 100s of CPU coolers and I would guess most are never returned. It would be easy to slip through the cracks. I'm not saying it's right and the double downing on it is a very bad look but to me it was incompetence and not outright malice.

[lament condor]

Glad it's not just me saying it

[young forum]

Linus is still the 'creative director' or some such and is still actively involved in daily business so I don't know how much that matters.

[shell sentinel]

sure, and going even further, I think blaiming Linus for that personally is wrong, I bet he never even knew they asked for it back

[upper phoenix]

Linus has no ability to apologize properly from what I've seen of this event and past ones. "Sorry, but actually..."

[shell sentinel]

that doesn't excuse it though

[upper phoenix]

Sometimes, even if you think you aren't wrong, you need to just eat ass and apologize.

[lament condor]

and he and his wife are still the sole owners to my knowledge

[winter kiln]

well it appears to be mainly the overall management. one of the chairs break? report to ceo, instead of linus

[upper phoenix]

You blame him for overworking, underhiring, and setting the culture which I think all led to this.

[lament condor]

If you are the board; you can't say "well not my fault I delegated this to the CEO"

[shell sentinel]

sure, that I agree with

[young forum]

They are, with Linus having the majority of shares.

[uneven jetty]

I blame Linus for doubling down. All he literally had to do was say, "I am investigating what happened with my staff and we are working with GPU cooler company to resolve the issue". Corpspeak PR is not that hard...

[honest yacht]

Actually you can

[shell sentinel]

oh that I 100% agree with also. Shit happens and things slip through the cracks.

[sturdy granite]

What do they actually do with 100 staff anyway? Since it's not fact checking or generating meaningful test data? Is it all marketing ties ins?

[upper phoenix]

The two actual, core issues is LMG is mismanaged and Linus doesn't set a proper culture of accountability.

[young forum]

But that would require him to admit that he might have been wrong about something...

[lament condor]

Yeah I'd agree with this; seeing as he seems to have those issues himself; he likely does in his mangement style

[upper phoenix]

They've expanded into a bunch of stuff. Like they have their own logistics people for merch, support people, finance people. They just horitzontally scaled a ton.

[pure crescent]

Probably alot of background stuff now that they have to create products, maintain a store front and all those returns. Then theres the labs people. What about infrastructure people?

[sturdy granite]

What's floatplane and is it beating YouTube yet?

[pure crescent]

yea that too

[lament condor]

Also I suspect most of those people aren't full time

[winter kiln]

yeah the issues are probably not linus' fault, but its the lack of care and double checking that led to fuck over a small company

but thats not the worst

its linuses response

[shell sentinel]

yea literally all he had to do was say "we fucked up"

we are looking into it and will take measures to make sure these mistakes dont happen agian

[sturdy granite]

"we'll try harder, promise" 😉

[lament condor]

Yeah everyone makes mistakes

It's about having an appropriate response to them

[winter kiln]

billet labs talk privately with linus meanwhile he misrepresents their intentions and plays semantics publically

[shell sentinel]

sometimes Linus feels like the kid who has never been told "no. you are wrong"

[winter kiln]

true lol

[sturdy granite]

100%

Can you imagine working for that fucker?

[upper phoenix]

Drink every time Linus says something dumb and Luke gives him silent "what the fuck?" eyes.

[sturdy granite]

It'd be awful.

Like Ron Burgundy is the news network chief.

[upper phoenix]

Any company that's rooted in a cult of personality is rough.

[winter kiln]

ive heard hes not that bad on a daily basis

[shell sentinel]

@sturdy granite they looked into MATLAB but decided it was too expensive

[sturdy granite]

I mean. He comes across as a total c-unit in his videos.

[winter kiln]

but probably horrible with the work pressure

[honest yacht]

MATLAB over charges, let's make our own

[sturdy granite]

And I work with some copper bottomed dyed in the wool old skool planks.

[winter kiln]

lmaooo ofc

[upper phoenix]

I just had to package MATLAB, they make it super annoying.

[winter kiln]

that would cost $200-500 of employee time!

[shell sentinel]

huh?

it is really easy

[upper phoenix]

Not for macOS.

[shell sentinel]

literally just call 'deploytool"

then select the entry point

[uneven jetty]

I think if anything a lot of his response is not him personally but rather being defensive of his staff and company. Thats the vibe I get. He needs to learn that the company itself becomes a shield for everyone. People make mistakes. You don't need to put a specific member on blast to take ownership of something. You can say "we as a company failed".

[sturdy granite]

Didn't he move his entire workflow to open source because Adobe licencing was a bit spendy? Or was that just another gimmick vid?

[shell sentinel]

IDK I dont follow him that closely, just know one of my friends found the sales opportunity in our system

[sturdy granite]

Nah I think it's just a childish knee jerk response.

[honest yacht]

Yeah but then again no PR person...

[upper phoenix]

The app itself?

[shell sentinel]

I assume you have an mlapp file?

not just a script?

[upper phoenix]

You have to download the app installer, run it to grab all the tools*, compress it, then pkg it with your script.

[lament condor]

For a device that costs more than that 💀

[shell sentinel]

no there is an option to not package it

[upper phoenix]

Well, we don't have that.

[shell sentinel]

literally at the top

[lament condor]

Has the CEO made any statements?

[shell sentinel]

if "runtime downloaded from web" is selected, it wont package the runtime

[upper phoenix]

I'm talking about the literal vanilla macOS app.

Not within MATLAB.

[rose hedge]

has the CEO said anything ever since he took the spot? lol i feel like the only time i saw him was when he was announced to be taking the position

[upper phoenix]

Literally to deploy it to devices.

[shell sentinel]

the whole point of this workflow is that it does not require MATLAB licenses for the end user

[knotty reef]

he is a ceo not a public spokesman, that was the point.

[shell sentinel]

do you mean codegen @upper phoenix ?

[rose hedge]

it's not like they can walk back Linus' response now anyway.

[shell sentinel]

like, generating the C/C++ code?

[knotty reef]

#techdiscussion

[rose hedge]

anything that further comes out will basically be labeled as BS

as it should be

linus basically said how he feels about the situation and he is still the de facto CEO, titles aside

[upper phoenix]

No

[lament condor]

True but with massive controversies typically the PR team will write up something from them to read

[rose hedge]

in this case i don't think anyone want s to hear anything from some random CEO that was hired on

[knotty reef]

why, he isnt the public face.

[rose hedge]

this is the issue with a company centered around a personality

it all depends on linus

and he speaks without going through anyone else first

[knotty reef]

eh

its not.

[rose hedge]

so its all unfiltered

i mean it clearly is in this case

he's off the cuff, but not for any good

[lament condor]

They're the ones running the company and especially a company that's so public facing it'd be normal for the CEO to be public facing

[rose hedge]

the rest of the company just has to deal with the fallout

[knotty reef]

but thats not what the job is....

[spice gust]

Linus is probably gonna go with the excuse that that was "him talking", not the "company"

[lament condor]

I mean it's not in the description but it's a normal part of being a CEO

[knotty reef]

not really.

[honest yacht]

CEO's are not PR...

[lament condor]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/8-statements-every-ceo-should-say-ken-gosnell-afc

[spice gust]

linkedin, the true pinnacle of society

[knotty reef]

did you read it.

[pulsar depot]

“REACT WITH YOUR ANSWER”

[honest yacht]

All of those headlines read like a self help book you would see in line at CVS to pick up your prescriptions

[pulsar depot]

Literally none of these are public facing statements, they’re shit they say to themselves when they wake up

[knotty reef]

@lament condor clearly not

[knotty reef]

or all staff emails

[uneven jetty]

Exactly, thats the point lol.

Why corp PR is pretty easy. You can admit to nothing while also not throwing fuel on the fire.

"We are investigating the issue internally". Is pretty much the standard go-to and literally all Linus should have said in response to the water block issue.

[honest yacht]

Yup

[fossil dust]

Linus Media Group is already a big company but not that big and they are already acting this way and also doing random unfair reviews to smaller products.

[honest yacht]

LMG is not a big company

[fossil dust]

i meain biggy big

[honest yacht]

what

[fossil dust]

means big for some people

[hardy abyss]

how big we talkin

[pulsar depot]

They’re a pretty small company.

[winter kiln]

oh it isnt just a $800 prototype too, its likely wayyyy more

probs thousands

[pulsar depot]

100 employees may be a lot for a YouTube channel but it’s nothing for a business

[winter kiln]

prototypes are expensiveee

especially for a niche ass all copper block that would require advanced tooling

[fossil dust]

Its not Bigg. Its just big

[uneven jetty]

It's in medium size territory I would say.

[pulsar depot]

We consider ourselves medium at 700

[lament condor]

It's a medium sized service business

[honest yacht]

Yup

[severe crown]

LMG in terms of revenue is a pretty big deal

[winter kiln]

medium can be a very large range

[lament condor]

Like if an accounting, enterainment, law firm has 100 employees they're not considered "small"

[fossil dust]

i guess medium is the final assessment

[pulsar depot]

Tell that to my gf

[honest yacht]

No not really

[winter kiln]

if small is <30 and large is 1000+

then whats medium

[fossil dust]

You guys are hilarious.

NOw were talking numbers

[uneven jetty]

Thats about right to me. You usually are not "large" until you have a few thousand people and doing billions in revenue imo.

[lament condor]

Size is mostly about vibes

[honest yacht]

There potential valuation was only ~100 million. You need $1 billion to be taken seriously with the big boys

[pulsar depot]

(I was just setting up a penis joke and asjkem laid it out perfectly)

[winter kiln]

lmg is worth couple hundred mills, thats medium

[uneven jetty]

My old company would not even talk to you unless you were doing over a million in sales a year.

[honest yacht]

million is sales is not all that much

[lament condor]

Yeah my company does a million in sales and there's 3 of us

[uneven jetty]

Like LTTs whole company net worth is my departments yearly budget.

[hardy abyss]

is the department cool?

[pulsar depot]

It’s the kool kids dept

[uneven jetty]

It's not but that was the bar to even have a conversation.

[honest yacht]

Sure, if you don't know anything about the world LTT seems like the biggest deal. But then you realize they only occupy a very small fraction of a percentage of that world

[winter kiln]

KEKW wtf??? ltt saying they covered billet labs because they want no one to buy it "because its an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at"

linus failing to understand the fact that this is a niche product

[honest yacht]

It's a very low bar

[uneven jetty]

Perhaps but it has to be that low to pick up some regional vendors. This was for food buying for a large retailer.

[lament condor]

Who would purchase a diamond ring?

[knotty reef]

im at a large..

[lament condor]

So expensive; no utility

[tribal magnet]

their 100k desk is an egregious waste of money

[lament condor]

It just go sparkle when there's light

[pulsar depot]

That doesn’t even scratch the surface. They had a million dollar storage server they never even used

[uneven jetty]

eh, that 100k went to some skilled craftsmen and machine shops so not a total waste.

[fossil dust]

"WE DIDNT SELL IT, WE AUCTIONED IT!" This should be engraved near central park.

[knotty reef]

their entrprise stuff is..... interesting

[young forum]

And very poorly managed.

[uneven jetty]

Wasn't a lot of that supplied by sponsors? Like a lot of the parts they use in the crazy builds they get for free.

[pulsar depot]

Probably

It’s clear they’re shit with spending but there’s no way they’re that shit at it

[shell sentinel]

yea pretty sure I remember Kioxia giving them a shit ton of drives

[winter kiln]

then again you cant buy that one

[uneven jetty]

All manufactures have x budget a year for advertizing. Most are shit at doing it themselves so they basically give that money to media outlets and retailers to use to push their products.

Like we get money every year from Samsung to push their products as an example.

[pure crescent]

AMD's giving them $5000 every two months seems like

and a free cpu maybe? IDK

[shell sentinel]

which is really not that much money

[pure crescent]

I had an issue with it when intel was doing it lol

[shell sentinel]

meh 30k/yr for a sponsor is not that crazy?

[spice gust]

why is samsung pushing shit at home depot

[pure crescent]

oh intel doubled how much was given considering intel did it every months and it seems like amd does it every 2 months

[tribal magnet]

They probably dont receive just $5000 per episode

[pure crescent]

Grand scheme of things it isn't much but if I want to buy a monitor the world ends lol

[shell sentinel]

yea i mean that is just how shit works

someone on yammer was trying to suggest our company should "give $500 to people to buy a bike so they can bike to work"

[pure crescent]

Mind you peak of the intel upgrade stuff was peak covidd and peak 11th gen intel.

[shell sentinel]

when they wont even give anything for a WFH setup even though we are currently WFH 3 days a week

we got like, $250 for a display when covid started and that was it

[cursive beacon]

hot take the upgrade options you are forced into with the amd sponsorship is far more painful

[pure crescent]

don't even know what you're referring to because they're so spacedd out I stopped watching after the first

[cursive beacon]

At least rocketlake didn't have funky firmware bugs

[uneven jetty]

Refrigerators, washing machines, etc... All that stuff people forget Samsung makes

[spice gust]

ah yeah, the really shit stuff

samsung appliances are soooo bad

[tribal magnet]

samsung makes small things like soap in korea

[uneven jetty]

yah they are haha, I have GE/Whirlpool stuff. Not amazing but fewer problems than the Korean companies.

LG has issues as well.

[inland dew]

Tanks

[sturdy granite]

I resemble that remark.

[young forum]

The team I'm on was offered anything we needed within reason to replicate the office - including Aerons/Embodies if you wanted one. 👀

[shell sentinel]

yea it is just insane people are saying they should pay for bikes when we havent even gotten money for a at-home setup

[upper phoenix]

I got a USB-C hub :/

[knotty reef]

mine does that...

[shell sentinel]

really? $500? (or GBP or whatever you clowns use)

[sturdy granite]

It takes me 2 months to get a chair upgrade for someone with severe back problems.

[knotty reef]

up to 1k.

[rose hedge]

for charity no less!

he should be applauded

[formal garnet]

So

Has he went down

I didn't expect this to get bigger now tbh

Christ

That's just bad

[icy crane]

"We accidentally auctioned off this priceless piece of your company (which we said we would give back to you multiple times) that is required for your company to function and only after we get publicly destroyed will we offer a payment"

[severe crown]

Yeah his reaction to that

Made it even worse

Saying they've "come to an agreement"

When they haven't even replied

Disgusting tbh

And apparently they shipped linus a 3090 too?

That wasn't returned

[rose hedge]

a 3090 TI that they lost

[young forum]

@severe crown 3090Ti.

[rose hedge]

which is why they tried using a 4090 instead

extreme incompetence

Linus talk about how sparing another $500 in employee time is too much but permanently withholding someone's product which is worth way more than $500 is no big deal

since its not affecting HIS bottom line, lol

[sturdy granite]

Currently 3rd post on /r/all. Lol. CEO needs to be heating up the phone to Linus right about now.

[young forum]

@severe crown and evidently, Linus later found it in their inventory...

Even though it had come with the water block for the express purpose of LTT using it for testing and wasn't a gift to LTT to add to their general stock.

@rose hedge it's worse than that, see above.

[rose hedge]

oh i've seen the update

agreed, it just gets worse for LTT

[young forum]

I wonder how many other products in their inventory were supposed to have been sent back...

[rose hedge]

the question of accident or malice doesn't even matter. if someone blew up my house i don't care if it was an accident or not. I'd be pursuing

[young forum]

I know he's mentioned hanging onto things in other videos past the given time.

[rose hedge]

i know smaller youtubers get products lent to them

if they don't send it back they simply get charged for the price of the product

but who knows what kind of deals LTT works out with companies

[pulsar depot]

I want to say id be surprised if they didnt have a PR DR team spun up right now, but i really wouldnt be.

[sturdy granite]

Most stuff likely not. I have not had to return any sample I got. That seems a relatively special case to me, as in tiny company giving Their prototype to him for exposure. They'd want it back. Pretty much anyone else would write the product cost off as marketing budget.

[safe pulsar]

where is this info from? the whole 3090 story. I just saw they were going to send one to Billet, but I wasn't 100% sure on if it was theirs, or Linus was trying to gift them another for testing as compensation for shit video/not returning block in time.

[winter kiln]

LMAO

literally true

[safe pulsar]

Linus somehow doesnt know what a prototype is. It's not a sample. It's not a product. The weird insistance on "I felt I had to review it as a product, and as a product its bad" is just so weird to me. Like, its by definition not a product in any finished sense?

[winter kiln]

original

the real meaning

i love ltt titles

[safe pulsar]

thats just youtube.

[winter kiln]

ltt is especially bad

like i genuinely dont know what the video is about

one thing is having catchy titles another thing is where you literally dont know what this video is about

[pulsar depot]

I feel their thumbnails are pretty standard clickbait. Unfortunately it seems clickbait is almost encouraged nowadays

[winter kiln]

their thumbnails are normal, its just their titles

this one has got to be my fav