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[pulsar depot]

LTT Discussion here

ltt-discussion

[wraith chasm]

Bored now tbh

[cerulean pebble]

[final cipher]

Don't worry, it'll come up again

[pulsar depot]

this is why i created the thread

[wraith chasm]

That's what I told her at least 😉

[honest yacht]

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[final cipher]

https://youtu.be/ybR3VAvBkXY?t=513 Initial LMG staff comments

[final cipher]

GamersNexus video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

[final cipher]

Linus Text response on LMG Forums https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/page/16/

[safe pulsar]

love how that thumbnail makes it seem like Linus posted the spongebob meme.

[pulsar depot]

valid response

[left gust]

I remember plenty of you guys saying that LTT was going downhill for a while. I'm assuming this is the straw that broke the camel's back?

[final cipher]

Not really, it's just a call-out of things that have been going on for awhile. LTT will continue, maybe they'll fix stuff, maybe they don't. My money is on a mixed bag response

[wraith chasm]

Yeah Steve said at the start that they were considering doing this video for many months

[safe pulsar]

I hope the lab and better process will allow them to do things right - having to push out so many videos knowing they're sub-par must not feel nice either.

[left gust]

It's such a common content creator conundrum TBH. There's a point where content generation is just more profitable than quality generation. It's why I've seen some companies (or individual CC) literally buy 20 channels to just keep posting daily content on.

What I find troubling is that I'm pretty sure LTT at this point has enough clout to set a more reasonable schedule. Unless their investors are such that they have to keep cranking out an inhuman amount of videos to break even.

[safe pulsar]

its the algorithm. it punishes you for changing upload frequency.

[left gust]

Imagine if you're just an independent producer who feels they gotta make a video every day. That's frankly unsustainable.

[safe pulsar]

like you're fine if you've done one video a week for a year - but once you start doing multiples per week, you cant go back.

let alone once a day on multiple channels.

[left gust]

Again, that gets unsustainable doesn't it?

I've heard of come content creators who think they can crank out 3 vids a day to keep the algorithm happy and I'm thinking that's absurd.

[safe pulsar]

my limited knowledge is that if you keep the same frequency eventually you'll be rewarded.

best way to kill a new channel is to upload a backlog of like 10 videos, and then only do one video per week. Instant death.

[left gust]

Well no wonder I hear about content creators purchasing multiple channels to spread out their content. But at some point you just become a low quality farm don’t you?

[safe pulsar]

That does seem to be the way to do it - if you want to increase frequency do it on a seperate channel, so if you ever have to scale back because of whatever circumstances you can just sacrifice one channel.

[final cipher]

Imo it shouldn't be unsustainable for a 100+ employee outfit

Wow that Billet Labs thing is pretty shit

[left gust]

Theoretically it shouldn’t, but there’s always that triangle of “good, fast, cheap”. You’d be shocked how many big corporations that have plenty of money to spend will always go for the “cheap” route

[uneven jetty]

Yah its shitty but I have a feeling that was out of incompetence than malice. Like the people who said they would return the product were probably not the people who do inventory or ship things out.

Still on LTT.

I also would be irritated that they did not review it properly.

Like they literally reviewed it on air with zero prior prep it seems. Then they complain that it would have cost too much money to do properly, yet where fine collecting revenue off the crappy review. They should have just axed the whole video or never agreed to review the product.

[formal garnet]

"too much money" had me cackling

You're LTT and money is an issue

I find that a little hard to believe

Costly? Probably. But that should also stop you from posting the video as well.

Why post if you're going to half-ass it

[uneven jetty]

well, I get it at a certain level. The whole reason LTT is where it is is because Linus micromanages funds like that. You have to look at everything as dollar and cents at some level.

I mean the man found a way to monetize buying a new house and renovating it...

[formal garnet]

cries in green paper

jokes aside, as much as I think it's wrong of him or the company to do this, I don't care

not gonna go out of my way and post a hateful obnoxious comment on his videos or in the forums

or a constructive comment, perhaps

[final cipher]

"Trust me bro"

[vague elk]

BTW question, has anything like this happened before with LMG?

[final cipher]

$500 is too much to retest a product, how about I trust this $350 backpack is reliable on a trust me warranty

[uneven jetty]

yah kinda.

[final cipher]

Trust Me Bro is probably the closest

And I'm kinda still not happy with that

The bag space is very mature with a lot of reputable companies that have cheaper products with more features and better warranties

[vague elk]

The backpack warranty thing too?

[final cipher]

Yes, that's the closest I can think of from a professional ethics standpoint

[final cipher]

This specific critique is novel though. Nobody really cares if they are just making meme content, part of the problem is they are now billing themselves as a professional testing lab now, and dunking on other professionals

[uneven jetty]

He honestly should sell his stake in Framework. It's just an odd investment if you're reviewing computer products.

[formal garnet]

I still don't know if the company "LTT" is a memeland or a bunch of geek nerds who think they are professionals

[vague elk]

I've always seen linus as an entertainment creator, that lab testing just leaves a bad taste in my mouths

[uneven jetty]

Would be like consumer reports buying a major stake in Honda or something.

[vague elk]

It's bitwit but larger

[final cipher]

Which is why this critique is novel

[final cipher]

Honestly it wouldn't be a big deal if they'd disambiguate Linus from the company

But the fact that he's so hands on is a big issue

[uneven jetty]

It's literally impossible to do as he and his wife are sole owners. Even if he never set foot in the office it would always be something they would have to disclose and it's just a bad look.

Like how the Washington Post have to disclaim they are owned by Bezos every time they report on Amazon.

[formal garnet]

Is this the first time the pc community has caught a mistake like this or

in terms of LTT

[uneven jetty]

No, it's been know for a while that the graphs were garbage lol. Why I was hpeful labs would improve things.

[final cipher]

I believe there are 4 equity holders

[uneven jetty]

maybe.

[merry fern]

At what time were the LTT comments said?

[vague elk]

Shouldn't remove linus, but kept as a person who would be on the "hey let's build things for people" or any of the entertainment focused vids imo

[stiff vortex]

Nothing major in my memory. Trust me bro warranty. Tldr: they had good warranty but they didn't write it down. Linus said trust me, to the community asking for it to be written.

They mispronounced a sponsors name which the sponsor didn't like.

Nothing major iirc

[ember depot]

Replace every instance of "Billetlabs" with "AMD" or "Intel" and LTT will be bankrupt within the week

[stiff vortex]

Idm framework. I haven't seen conflicts or change in coverage. It's (usually) clearly stated. Linus' reasoning is: "I loved repairable things before, and if they f up, I'll dump them."

[merry fern]

What timestamp in the video did the LTT staff make the comments that caused the issue?

[elfin nacelle]

has never talked about their massive battery life issues

[hexed vault]

Amongus

[ember depot]

i don't mind framework, I DO mind them reviewing competitor laptops while holding a stake in another company

[uneven jetty]

There doesn't have to be, just the implication of bias. Why I said it was a bad look.

[azure onyx]

.

[upper phoenix]

I do mind Framework because I don't think they can be objective about the value propsition of it, which I don't find to be that good, which is rich from a company who just dumped on something as "garbage" because of value.

[leaden bison]

I hope ltt takes a break and fixes their data methods and does higher quality videos

[ember depot]

linus must resign tbh

[elfin nacelle]

It's a well off nerd's toy

[leaden bison]

I want to buy framework but it’s so expensive

[elfin nacelle]

he already did

[elfin nacelle]

You really don't

[leaden bison]

🤯

[ember depot]

as cco

[upper phoenix]

Which is the same as can be said about the water block they shit on.

[ember depot]

not just as ceo

but as cco and cvo

[upper phoenix]

So it's a bit hypocritical IMO.

[leaden bison]

He’s not ceo anymore

[ember depot]

or whatever the duck his new title is

[rose hedge]

given the price of framework laptops i really see no reason to get one over a macbook air or something. And macbooks last for a very long time already, so its not like they're e-trash

[ember depot]

chief vision officer or whatever

[rose hedge]

i'd liekly throw away a framework sooner

[leaden bison]

Yeah but if the frameworks run games ok

[rose hedge]

but do they?

as far as gaming laptops go i'd rather get a gaming laptop

[elfin nacelle]

it's a thin and light with a 28w cpu

it's not for gaming

I own one.

[leaden bison]

Oh

Is it bad for other stuff

[upper phoenix]

From a value POV you're probably better off getting something much cheaper than a framework now, and then something in 3-5 years, than getting a framework and upgrading it in 3-5 years.

[leaden bison]

I mean the new 16 inch coming out has a dgpu

[elfin nacelle]

It's a mediocre thin and light, designed to give nerds something to fawn over

[stiff vortex]

https://youtu.be/SoVq3SUMjw0?t=166

[elfin nacelle]

2-3hrs on battery doing nothing

[stiff vortex]

2:40-5:10

[leaden bison]

No they didn’t do it in this

[upper phoenix]

It's a neat concept laptop. That's about it.

[leaden bison]

Im pretty sure it was a short or something

[ember depot]

that sounds like my gigabyte g5 rip

[upper phoenix]

But Linus pimping a neat, overpriced concept laptop while shitting on a neat, overpriced waterblock is rich.

[ember depot]

also.... Linus threw a fit when one of the prototype ltt bags wound up sold to a thrift store ahead of schedule

he's a hypocrite

[stiff vortex]

It is a bad look. I'm a wan show viewer and I'm comfortable with watching ltt laptop content. It doesn't mean their content is good, or be all end all accurate (they are lmg after all). For surface level content I'm content

[uneven jetty]

As for what steps we're taking, you're talking about an outlier issue that has happened once in 10+ years of operation. There won't be a new SOP to ensure we don't accidentally auction stuff. We just need to tighten up some documentation.
God Linus is terrible at PR lol.

[icy crane]

i hope the new ceo can tear down linus' stubbornness

[stiff vortex]

bad pr linus at it again

[azure onyx]

PR?

[leaden bison]

Linus’ response was pretty terrible

[uneven jetty]

All he had to do was lie and say "we are reevaluating internal processes to tighten controls on inventory".

[rose hedge]

the issue is that many people take their """""lab"""""" results as accurate/fact

[uneven jetty]

Thats Fortune 500 CYA 101.

[rose hedge]

its almost comical how often they make a mistake

[ember depot]

linuslabs making data is like my lab at home making meth

[upper phoenix]

Every time LTT has fucked something up in the last 5+ years it's always been "we'll implement/fix processes" and they're still sloppy as hell. They keep expanding before they git gud so it just expands the issues.

[azure onyx]

qhat PR mean

[ember depot]

this ethical issue about the water block has the genuine potential to actually sink the company

i care little about any of the many other issues

[upper phoenix]

It's all tied together.

[leaden bison]

Ltt just dropped another dumbass video

[midnight frigate]

and the casual viewers who probably don’t care that much to look on the ltt forums won’t see this or anything else he says there

[formal garnet]

I changed my mind, I only care about the response to auctioning

[ember depot]

bad journalism is a sign of rushed work... but a major ethical concern there is a sign of cultural rot

[formal garnet]

He said they did not auction it

[uneven jetty]

he said they were going to pay them back.

[upper phoenix]

I think he was poorly explaining that they didn't sell it for profit but rather auctioned it for charity by accident. I doubt they would intentionally steal it for a meager profit like some people are claiming. The bad part of that is extremely poor attention to detail now has a prototype of a small company in the wild.

The fixed cost of the asset isn't really an issue, it's the potential IP breach.

[uneven jetty]

which ironically would probably cost way more than if they had just reviewed it correctly the first time...

[formal garnet]

I'm wondering if the startup is going to sue

But I doubt it considering it's just 2 person

[uneven jetty]

doubt it.

[formal garnet]

and LTT is this omega company lmao

sad

[upper phoenix]

They would need to prove damages beyond the cost LTT is paying them back.

Like the loss led to IP theft which cost them business.

[ember depot]

does it actually matter though? would this have happened to an intel engineering sample? or a prototype nvidia partner card?

[rose hedge]

its definitely cost them time and they got poor exposure due to the shitty review

[uneven jetty]

sueing people costs money and it's a bad look. Literally the best thing possible happened to them with this video. They get their money and a ton of good will and publicity.

[upper phoenix]

Well that's a different incident.

[ember depot]

this is huge

[rose hedge]

yes, but its compounded by the fact that they were basically robbed of their only sample review

[upper phoenix]

I mean, intent matters. It's an issue but it isn't a theft issue but rather a professionalism/detail issue.

[rose hedge]

not only was the review shitty but they couldn't even send the prototype to anyone else for review because it was literally stolen

so the only review they have for their product is a very poor showing which i'm sure negatively affected them

[ember depot]

a professionalism issue is enough, the response shows deception nkw

it's not just bad practice

[upper phoenix]

I don't really think the response was deceptive, just minimizing.

[ember depot]

it's now outright misconduct on linus' part

[formal garnet]

oh wow, billet labs has 5 items in their shop on their website, 3 of them sold out?

I wonder if this happened before this issue or after the issue

[ember depot]

how is denying it was auctioned not deceptive?

[formal garnet]

what the heck

[upper phoenix]

Where was that stated?

[rose hedge]

it's probably "sold out" as in there was never any stock

since the block was never for sale to public IIRC there's no reason to sell peripheral replacements for a product that doesn't exist yet

likely just have it listed ahead of time

[upper phoenix]

I've just seen Linus say they didn't 'sell' (in quotes to infer for a profit) but rather that they auctioned it for charity.

[rose hedge]

yeah he was trying to ride on a technicality

[ember depot]

right sold

what the shite is auctioning then

[rose hedge]

except what matters is that the prototype is gone. the method in which they used to get rid of it matters not

[ember depot]

it isn't a technicality

it's blatant deceptive

[rose hedge]

"we didn't sell it for profit we sold it for charity" is what it comes down it

[ember depot]

the DEFINITION of an auction is to sell

[upper phoenix]

Do you know what single quotes around a word means?

[ember depot]

does that actually affect the statement?

[upper phoenix]

yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

[ember depot]

and what is the purpose of said quotation marks, praytell?

[upper phoenix]

You have to remember this is a reponse in the forum, not to GN.

And people in the forum were claiming he "sold" it for a profit.

[formal garnet]

profit or donation, doesn't matter imo

what matters is that he thought it was okay to sell

either way, you're giving a "prototype" to another person

[ember depot]

It is made in direct response to a GN video

and also....

To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication

[formal garnet]

which I think it was pointed out that they did not have permission to do so

[ember depot]

so no it's not for people in the forum

he's directly responding to GN here

[upper phoenix]

I genuinely don't think he, or the company, would be dumb enough to intentionally sell it without permission.

[uneven jetty]

We reached out to LMG for comment but only got back a poop emoji as a response.

[ember depot]

They reviewed a mouse with the goddamn plastic left stuck on the bottom sir

then denied it

until they were caught red handed with footage of it

[formal garnet]

Looks like I got something to feel good about myself, finally

[ember depot]

so like when you were four

and you got your hand stuck in the cookie jar

[leaden bison]

Why is ltt making a video about a mic now

[ember depot]

and you told your mum you didn't eat the cookies

with your hands in said jar

that's the level of LTTs response

[rose hedge]

hey mom i wasn't eating the cookies i was giving them to the dog

[upper phoenix]

Video queued up from awhile ago?

[leaden bison]

Probably

[ember depot]

picked up from the floor after gn dropped it

[leaden bison]

E

[rose hedge]

all major youtube channels have videos queued up way into the future

[upper phoenix]

Wouldn't be surprised if they pushed it back a few hours for some extra QA on it as well.

[rose hedge]

them releasing new stuff now isn't a asurprise

especially since it seems like their modus operandi is to sweep this under the rug

[icy crane]

"LMG put the one of a kind water block up for auction" quote from the vid

[ember depot]

but remember, it wasn't sold, it was auctioned!

i didn't light your house on fire, i lit a match on fire!

[icy crane]

linus never seen an auction b4 in his life then

[formal garnet]

Wonder what's it gonna be like now

for LTT

[icy crane]

bc i swear i remember after every item they yell "sold"

like

bruh

[ember depot]

there needs to be a purge tbh

[elfin nacelle]

It was a silent auction, for charity

[ember depot]

does that matter though?

[elfin nacelle]

It changes the context.

[ember depot]

it really doesn't

[icy crane]

Sell "give or hand over (something) in exchange for money."

[ember depot]

it doesn't matter whether it was sold to save the last panda on earth

it wasn't theirs to sell

[upper phoenix]

For that part of the drama it does. Whether they "stole" it and sold it for profit or fucked up and sold it for charity is a decently big deal. I genuinely believe they fucked up which is still a big problem itself and the fact they're downplaying it and think that simply paying back billet the raw costs is enough is problematic.

And I think they didn't know that.

[final cipher]

TBF I own lots of these products lolol

[upper phoenix]

Because they are an overworked, slipshod org.

[ember depot]

it doesn't matter what it was sold for, it wasn't theirs to sell. Sometimes it's really just that simple, and it is here

[upper phoenix]

it's still a problem, but a problem for a different reason

[final cipher]

like a flipper zero, a 3d printer, a online-only e-bike, a GoPro, I own a bunch of overpriced stuff marketed at nerds to do nerd shit with

[ember depot]

and now the response has made it a billion times worse

[final cipher]

what response?

The forum post?

[ember depot]

what do you think the response what have been like if it was an intel prototype die?

ye

[upper phoenix]

I just don't see malice, I see incomptence followed by ambivalence.

[ember depot]

i see unprofessionalism and a refusal to address unprofessional conduct

[uneven jetty]

Intel would have been smart enough to have contracts and NDAs in place.

[upper phoenix]

same same

[ember depot]

like you know.... an agreement to return the thing

almost as if....

[uneven jetty]

Not sure a small 2 man outfit thought that far ahead.

[upper phoenix]

The NDA is the important bit.

[ember depot]

there was an agreement to return the thing, that is already an established fact

[formal garnet]

If they indeed didn't have such contracts signed by both parties, then they also made a mistake

[uneven jetty]

sure

[formal garnet]

Both parties made mistakes in this case

[uneven jetty]

and they fucked up.

[ember depot]

both parties?

[uneven jetty]

LTT was in the wrong but I don't think it was intentional.

[ember depot]

how is it both parties

[formal garnet]

LTT and Billet Labs

[pulsar depot]

I mean you can only place the smallest amount of blame, if any at all, on billet

[ember depot]

if i lend you my car with an agreement to return it, and you go sell it at a charity auction. How is it possibly in any fathomable universe my fault

[rose hedge]

seems like the only mistake billet made was trusting linus

[pulsar depot]

This was an LTT fuck up to the core

[rose hedge]

but thats on the same level as blaming someone for the way they dress

[leaden bison]

Linus used the wrong gpu to test the cooler

[uneven jetty]

morally yes, but they learned the hard way that busness world is crule and you need to CYA with contracts and NDAs.

[formal garnet]

Oh, if a contract was signed, then i don't know

I'm not aware

[ember depot]

you know what "strict liability" is?

[pulsar depot]

If it was a mistake, not sure how an NDA would have made a difference

[ember depot]

i already said that it has already been established that there was an agreement to return it

[pulsar depot]

^

[formal garnet]

Hm okay

[rose hedge]

even with contracts and such they're a small company. a breach of contract and taking to someone to court is a huge step both effort-wise and moniteraly

[ember depot]

would LTR have done this to an AMD sample reference card?

[uneven jetty]

yah that as well.

[formal garnet]

I suppose Billet didn't make a mistake except sending a prototype to LTT...

[pulsar depot]

The only protection that would have potentially granted them is the ability to sue LTT for breach of contract

Which to be fair, they already have a semi solid argument for if it was agreed upon several times

Written agreements can be used in court all the same as a ‘legal contract’

[ember depot]

if it was nvidia, LTT would no longer exist

[uneven jetty]

Lots of penalties if the prototype got into the hands of a competitor.

[ember depot]

they would have been sued last week

[upper phoenix]

I think the worst part of them auctioning it is how much they've downplayed how damaging it could be to Billet. Both to have their only prototype out there and something that could be IP leaked. They're going to cover the cost I assume of the material/fab but they really need to apologize for the jeopardy they may have put that company through.

[ember depot]

for billions

[pulsar depot]

An official signed NDA isn’t a protection, it’s a recovery mechanism

[uneven jetty]

sure but they can be quite steep. They could have even sought lost potential revenue.

[pulsar depot]

Sure you could argue “fear” is prevention, but it’s not actually doing anything to prevent it from getting in the wrong hands

[ember depot]

so is an agreement to return the sample

especially as it can be said it was for the most part a loan at best

[pulsar depot]

But yeah overall I guess my point is at the level of disregard they had about it, I don’t think an NDA would have made them think any harder about it

[uneven jetty]

fear is the #1 prevention for pretty much everything tbh.

[pulsar depot]

They probably sign NDAs like sports players sign jerseys

And would have forgotten about it within a day

[leaden bison]

Turns out the new data in the ltt is wrong I’m not sure but people in the comments say so don’t quote me on this

[rose hedge]

huh

[ember depot]

so how dead is ltt in the alternate universe where said waterblock is an nvidia prototype?

[rose hedge]

dead yesterday

[leaden bison]

Someone said the way they measured the mics audio is wrong

[rose hedge]

but in this reality they'll continue on with their main audience none the wiser

lets be real, LTT's main audience is like kids and ultra casuals

they won't even see this drama

[upper phoenix]

You still have to prove damages.

[rose hedge]

probably why they won't mention it on the wan show

[upper phoenix]

With Nvidia they'd probably not get more sample/review units.

[leaden bison]

Not mentioning this on wan show is kind of pathetic

[rose hedge]

as long as they don't mention it on their main platform most of their audience won't know or care

[pulsar depot]

We will let the comments see about that one

[rose hedge]

i mean comments are a minority vs lurkers

[pulsar depot]

I don’t think this’ll kill them but they’ll feel it for a while.

[uneven jetty]

I like how Apple has pretty much cut them off while they send Marques Brownlee review units all the time lol.

LTT has to pony up for Apple stuff as the content pulls views.

[upper phoenix]

Yeah he's an absolute moron about Apple stuff.

[rose hedge]

marques just reads spec sheets so he's a safe to send stuff for "review" if you can call his videos anything close to that

[uneven jetty]

I honestly think he is fairly objective on Apple. Harsh in some ways but makes good points.

I also like Lois Rossmann who despises Apple.

[upper phoenix]

And, of course, Apple only wants people who will take on their products with kids' gloves.

[uneven jetty]

I have used Apple for over 25 years and my brother actually works for them.

[upper phoenix]

Louis Rossman is kind of a moron too about it. He makes some good points but often misses the forest through the trees.

[leaden bison]

I just got used to iPhones I can’t switch now

[upper phoenix]

There's a lot of neckbeard rage at the wrong things for Apple. They deserve a lot of shit but a bunch is misplaced.

[uneven jetty]

I basically have used Apple products for so long I have surpassed fanboy status and now am daily driver jaded user who complains at any minor bug the new OS version introduces.

[upper phoenix]

I'm pretty excited for Sonoma, actually.

[uneven jetty]

Also I hate the lightning port. Move to USB-C already.

[leaden bison]

I agree

[upper phoenix]

Should be 15.

[uneven jetty]

This 100%. People rage at them for the dumbest stuff while the real rage inducing stuff flys under the radar lol.

[pulsar depot]

why did i delete that

im not typing it again

[upper phoenix]

Sonoma is introducing a bunch of declarative management functionality, especially with OS updates, and better SSO integration.

Which is great because MDM command updates are broken as fuck.

[uneven jetty]

and better SSO integration.
I'll belive it when I see it.

macOS kerberose implementation has borderline been broken for ages. Like Apple internally has to use JAMF to manage their own corporate machines.

[upper phoenix]

Keberos is dead

for macOS

[uneven jetty]

no

[stiff vortex]

Agreed. He covered like it was a gaming laptop, he values different things than what an apple consumer does

[upper phoenix]

https://simplemdm.com/blog/what-is-platform-sso/

[uneven jetty]

SSO is literally my day job.

[stiff vortex]

haha

[upper phoenix]

Do you still have to support on-prem windows servers with it?

[uneven jetty]

yes

[upper phoenix]

Binding Macs to on-prem...dicey to say the least.

[uneven jetty]

We have some stuff on Windows Hello and Azure AD but vast majority is still good ol Kerberos.

[upper phoenix]

I assume you heard of this: https://www.jamf.com/blog/bindpocalypse-2022-an-update-to-cve-2021-42287/

We hadn't been binding much when that rolled around, but we made it a priority to get all remaining Macs off of it.

[uneven jetty]

Mac are kinda an afterthought here. I am working with the main MacOS engineer to improve that but it takes time.

[stiff vortex]

Nah, they have a huuuge portion of industry experts who casually watch it

I met a guy who really enjoyed their coverage of petabyte project, just after he installed 4.5 PB in a datacenter lmao

[upper phoenix]

Certainly. Right now we use Jamf Connect for shared macs and just local accounts for assigned devices. The goal is to move to https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/develop/apple-sso-plugin

For assigned devices, that is.

[uneven jetty]

I have not looked into it tbh.

We moved off JAMF a while ago for some other setup.

I mainy work on SSO platforms and web/mobile integrations.

[upper phoenix]

And to convert a bound account to local is pretty simple. It's a script that just creates a new profile and changes the file permissions over to it, then unbinds which actually doesn't need to communicate with AD or anything.

On macOS, that is.

[rose hedge]

industry experts are not LTTs main audience

yes ofc lots of people watch LTT, including hardscore enthusiasts and industry professionals

but its a minority compared to the actual audience

[stiff vortex]

Ofc

yeah

[rose hedge]

but to that point thats also a reason why LTT sucks ass

they have such shitty reviews and their lab doesn't do anything good

[stiff vortex]

[stiff vortex]

^

[rose hedge]

yet they garner such a large audience they're basically misinformation

it's a really bad youtube channel

[stiff vortex]

Now here's where I disagree

Their entertainment videos are fun, I love them and will continue to watch and reccomend them

Where I do have an issue, is they are prone to mistakes, and misinformation on the technical and review side

[rose hedge]

i guss that' a matter of opinion

i find like maybe 5% of their entertainment stuff worth lookihng at

its usually such random stuff that i just don't care for it

[stiff vortex]

I do love most of their content. It's fun lol

[rose hedge]

and like you said their technical reviews are really worthless in comparison to even just a basic youtube reviewer

what i find issue with is when people dismiss criticism of them as, "oh its just entertainment, don't watch it for benchmarks"

[hexed vault]

I take none of this seriously

Hence why I've filed this under "internet drama" and called it a day

[rose hedge]

except lots of people really do watch it for benchmarks and believe their results

lol anything on blast is basically e-drama

[young forum]

@stiff vortex the problem is that they don't market themselves as an entertainment channel, they market themselves as an informative channel that should be taken seriously (despite their data and actions saying that is very much not the case).

[rose hedge]

its fun though

[hexed vault]

Very true

[stiff vortex]

^^

[hexed vault]

Also true

[rose hedge]

yep, and they go pretty far with it

[stiff vortex]

^

That's an issue

[rose hedge]

investing loads of money into a lab and they still get farse results

[stiff vortex]

^^

[rose hedge]

its so cringe to that they keep boasting about the lab but they are really bad with getting good results

it just doesn't make sense

[stiff vortex]

Yeah...

[rose hedge]

all that money for nothing. but it does make sense since they're in such a rush to get content out

[young forum]

Who can forget this gem:
https://youtu.be/LvS_qgn7OSs

[rose hedge]

no time to test properly

[stiff vortex]

Watching now

[stiff vortex]

oh boy. He's going to scratch the top layer with that method

[uneven jetty]

Well, here is what is happening. Lab is by far to early to really contribute credible data. Do I think they will get there? Yes, but it will take some time. Now on the business side they just invested a shit load of money into this lab so they have to recoupe costs as fast as possible. That means tons of hype videos and lab tours. If you can make money off your lab while you're building it it's win win in theory. Problem is that LTT has leaned thats a double edge sword.

They honestly should have a separate channel for lab beta content and gradually introduce the data into the main channel once processes have been vetted.

[stiff vortex]

Make sick content on building the lab!

Don't make content off half baked testing data

[young forum]

I'm surprised the chip survived and he managed to drop a few degrees, that alone should be a sign of how much some of the 'lake' series needed a delid.

He didn't even spread the paste so you know there are going to be hotspots.

[stiff vortex]

Most definitely

That video felt more like a blog

[rose hedge]

Building a testing lab: cool
Boasting about it and having trash results, worse results than an amateur reviewer: really dumb

that's the only issue i have with it

[stiff vortex]

For ltt, I loved their how to build a pc last guide you'll ever need, as well as their custom keyboard video. Super helpful for the community in general

[rose hedge]

the idea is good but it makes them looks worse in the interim while they build it and boast about it

[uneven jetty]

thats one thing with working with old systems. they were all delided from the factory lol. I recently had to repste an OG Xbox and it was like that.

[stiff vortex]

Lab tour clip aside, what's your take?

[uneven jetty]

Like everything they have done I see as normal mistakes. It's the doubling down on it I don't get tbh.

[tawdry peak]

Completely not surprised that something blew up in Linus's face someday.

[rose hedge]

same as i just said, i think the idea really cool. but the mistakes they make in their reviews don't even require a lab

this is like giving a child a $5000 wacom tablet

their drawings will still suck ass

they dump money into a lab when they have a fundemental skill issue

literally

[stiff vortex]

It's the repeated decision not to spend a couple more hours to get it right that's not cool

[uneven jetty]

Like I work on systems that an outage can cause more financial damage than the entire worth of LTT. You have to be deliberate and do your due diligance but also own up to when things happen and look at ways to improve, no one is perfect.

[rose hedge]

ultimatley the lab will be a huge waste of money if they don't change the way they do things

rushing with pro tools will yield no better results than rushing with hwinfo and some spreadsheets

[young forum]

@uneven jetty they don't even have a dedicated sysadmin or cybersecurity manager.

[uneven jetty]

yah at their size they should have dedicated IT.

[stiff vortex]

Depending on how they handle this, The labs project could be severely impacted in a negative way.

[stiff vortex]

.... floatplane?

[young forum]

Definitely doesn't do backend or security work for Linus Media Group.

[rose hedge]

sorry that would cut into linus' pocket. he only hires desperate people willing to work 18 hour days

[uneven jetty]

I have no idea what the work life balance is there tbh. He must pay well to have pretty low turnover.

[stiff vortex]

Pay well, and good people who work there

From what I have seen (I'm no employee) they try to have individuals have a say in what is done

[tawdry peak]

their WLB seems OK and pays well, but multiple employees have openly, even in videos, stated they dont have enough time working on thing they have at the speed they need

[uneven jetty]

In all honesty hes at a scale where people like me step in and take them to the next level as far as infra.

No more cowboy shadow IT.

[tawdry peak]

their infrastructure is a mess for how big they are

[uneven jetty]

and a real inventory system and actual SOPs.

[stiff vortex]

It's alot of work, not that the working conditions are bad or anything. WLB (from the outside) seems great.

[young forum]

@uneven jetty they have decent turnover for non-camera-facing staff from what I've heard (and you can't get on camera without completing your probation).

Plus he also doesn't approve of/allow employees to discuss salaries and benefits (or has stated as much on the WANshow).

[stiff vortex]

It's just the amount of work and the "get it out the door" mindset that kills em

[tawdry peak]

They are, seemingly clearing some of that infrastructure up judging by their work on restructuring their server room and stuff, so that's a start I guess

[young forum]

But then someone might actually make him use best practices and basic mitigation strategies!

[uneven jetty]

Not uncommon but also not enforcible. At least in the US. Even for my company we have unofficial Discord channels where things are discussed.

[stiff vortex]

The ltt side is a mess, oh yeah.
Floatplane infrastructure seems to be great and organized.

[tawdry peak]

Luke is a far more consistent manager than Linus ever is or was, I always think

[young forum]

Probably because Luke is running that.

[stiff vortex]

Linus said himself, he's not a ceo lol. hence, taran

[young forum]

Also more professional.

[uneven jetty]

Maybe, I would have to see it for myself tbh.

[upper phoenix]

I thought they just hired someone.

A dedicated sys engineer or something.

[tawdry peak]

yeah think so

[stiff vortex]

Yeah, from what I've seen as a network amateur, it seems nice and organized, with best practices in place

[tawdry peak]

the hack probably kicked him in the ass pretty hard

[stiff vortex]

Yea

[uneven jetty]

They have a writeup?

[stiff vortex]

That was YT vulnerability tho

[stiff vortex]

Not that I know of, never looked into it tho

[uneven jetty]

I have worked on systems that scale to several million users so curious to see how they do it. It's not easy.

[stiff vortex]

Yea

[tawdry peak]

does no excuse the very apparent poor management of access to the very tool that makes them a living.

[upper phoenix]

How many is floatplane club?

[stiff vortex]

Couple dozen iirc

[upper phoenix]

I mean users

[stiff vortex]

OHH

no clu

[uneven jetty]

scaling horizontally and dealing with CAP is not fun and is expensive to get the right engineers.

[tawdry peak]

users we dont know

the crew of FP is not big

[stiff vortex]

I think 40k was sited

(wan show)

I could be wrong about that number tho

[uneven jetty]

Honestly does not need to be huge. Smaller teams are more effective in my experience with getting things done.

[tawdry peak]

Yeah

[stiff vortex]

Again, there's the developer problem of one guy doing all the UI

[tawdry peak]

And FP is a relatively small operation and the model is relatively simple

It's... video hosting

[stiff vortex]

Floatplane + internal systems is a bit

Downsize google's YT team

How hard could it be?

[uneven jetty]

More people you add you hit a wall of diminishing returns where just communication overhead eats any added productivity benefit.

[upper phoenix]

depends how they're distributing video though

[stiff vortex]

Diminishing margin of product moment lol

[upper phoenix]

if it's via their own platform they have to architect a pretty complex cloud setup for 40k people with all that content

[stiff vortex]

Yeah

That's no easy task

As well as all the apps, on ios, web, android

[uneven jetty]

wait it's only 40k people?

[stiff vortex]

If I remember correctly, on wan show

I forget the context

[uneven jetty]

TIL I have built stuff larger than Floatplane.

[stiff vortex]

iirc moving subscribers from yt to floatplane is hard

"only 40k ish are there subscribed to us rn"

[uneven jetty]

Like thats not even 10% of internal only traffic.

[stiff vortex]

TIL?

[uneven jetty]

Today I Learned.

[stiff vortex]

I don't know what that is

Apoligies

[uneven jetty]

"I learned something new" basically

[stiff vortex]

thanks for the clarification!

[stiff vortex]

Lmg makes "simple" things fun via jank

[uneven jetty]

I remember having to build a bulk upload tool for video. That was a massive pain as it had to handle 200GB+ over shitty internet and they wanted pasue resume features...

[stiff vortex]

ohh..

[uneven jetty]

Basically had to do a bunch of file integrity checks and then keep track of bit offsets as chunks were uploaded.

[stiff vortex]

Were you able to repair packages that were partially mangled via parity data?

Or just re-send

[uneven jetty]

resend usually.

[stiff vortex]

Makes sense

[tawdry peak]

parity on that would be pretty painful in terms of cpu time on the server side isnt it

[stiff vortex]

As well as higher % of sent data being redundant bits

[tawdry peak]

ya, might as well just resend the bit

[stiff vortex]

Yeah

[uneven jetty]

file is just a bunch of ones an zeros so you just carve it up into chunks. You can upload chunks in parallel to speed things up and then run integrity checks and assemble the file server side.

[stiff vortex]

How do you run integrity checks?

[uneven jetty]

When you hit pause the client and server record what chunks they were on. hit resume and it starts back up at those chunks.

[stiff vortex]

yeaaa

[uneven jetty]

checksum as part of the payload.

[stiff vortex]

What %?

[uneven jetty]

?

[stiff vortex]

What % of the total package sent is checksum?

apoligies

[uneven jetty]

You do it for each chunk sent. Then maybe a final checksum for the whole file as a integrity check when the file is reassembled server side.

[stiff vortex]

So, the checksum is within a separate package from the payload?

[uneven jetty]

no, same payload. Can be a parity bit or a hash appended to the end. Kinda depends on the size of the payload.

UPCs for example use a parity bit as a form of error checking.

[stiff vortex]

I don't want to take up your time 😅
I'll look into what you said here later

tysm <3

[uneven jetty]

CRC is a popular algorithm for error detection in data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_redundancy_check

[stiff vortex]

tysm!!!

I'll defintely be reading this :3

[cursive bramble]

I just watch LTT for Entertainment/extra background noises anyway

I know his graphs and testings are clown shit anyway when he's one of the few people that still unironically advices the Noctua NH-D15 over a PA120SE

....that I just learned they installed backwards

Can't piss off our sponsor so must advice their expensice ass poop colored coolers instead of a actual great CPU cooler for the price and performance

[ember depot]

wait does he?

oh god

[cursive bramble]

Even in their own graphs steve said that the CPU is constantly throttling with the noctua cooler

Or how a 240mm NZXT cooler performs worse then AMD's wraith stealth stock cooler

I dislike NZXT but even I wouldn't shit them that low

[ember depot]

i would

at least the stealth is free!

[fossil iron]

Man the more I watch the gamers Nexus video the more concerned how many bapo "nuts" spawned due to LTT

Everything Linus did about audio was painful to watch, but I just kept that in the back of my head. I never thought how it would affect the general community on the consensus that if the product is good or not.

I remember a short circuit video where they were flaming portable audio players (DAPs) in the thumbnail saying they were irrelevant.

Like of course they are irrelevant to the average consumer, even alot of audio enthusiasts don't use them

Their audio measurements they just plop on a graph and say some random AF stuff and just resume with the video, that doesn't do anything

Man everything Linus does is just jank, half assed crap, but it's so miles ahead in entertainment compared to other reviewers, I have always never enjoyed gamers Nexus videos as they are "boring" to me.

Mainly up to ethicality I guess. So Linus's choice rn

1. Meme content for memes and stonks by bullying companies that are small cus they are "worthless" in terms of revenue LTT can take advantage off.

2. Be gamers Nexus and be boring AF

Linus always picked 1, I remember back then already many small companies had issues with them

[stoic sable]

Did not know this was here

Sorry for starting the discuss in td again earlier lol

[stoic sable]

Wait.. he doesn't approve of discussing salaries/benefits? I've not heard of this

Happen to know which wan show this was? I only recall him not willing to publicly share Taran's benefit details

[wraith chasm]

Good morning, I went to sleep around 9 hours ago - any updates I've missed since then?

[robust prism]

is this a developing situation?

[viscid sluice]

I have strong doubts, they have shown their views on the importance of being accurate if it costs money

[robust prism]

Feels like it’s cut and dry

[stoic sable]

no. it's done

[robust prism]

Yeah, figured

[stoic sable]

no 6 hr wan show

[jolly ivy]

linus being linus might just drop it again

[stoic sable]

So what you're saying is 6hr wan show isn't off the table

[robust prism]

Ltt’s gone through different callouts for their authenticity in the past. Never been addressed well in a reflex response.

Nowhere near what should be expected.

[wraith chasm]

Depends how Linus and Steve handle it personally - you know Linus already reached out to him. On the assumption they sort it between themselves, that's it, and hopefully LTT gets better, if Linus gets an ego on the go, he';ll have an impromptu rant on Friday with Luke looking really embarrassed for 20 minutes

[viscid sluice]

No it does not. Mega corps still gain money through tax write offs.

[wraith chasm]

Even in Canada? Tax write offs for charity related items is only something I've really heard of happening in the US

But I'm not an accountant ennit

[viscid sluice]

Nvidia would have sued LMG and the employees in 50 different countries for 400 different laws.

[robust prism]

Don’t independent journalism laws apply?
Ltt videos are pretty befitting to journalistic in nature.

[cursive bramble]

I got ghost pinged here,weird

probably a mis-ping

[viscid sluice]

None of these are however new developments that have been reported out of the blue. All of this was public domain and he had the chance to comment on all of that. His responses were included in the segment. The video of him on WAN show responding to some of the criticisms was in the video.

If there was additional information, why didn't Linus reveal that before in those statements or released that information now?

[robust prism]

It feels weird having this conversation and asking these questions for the countlessth time

[viscid sluice]

One of these times, I will get a response from an LTT fanboy and it will all be worth it

[tawdry peak]

One of these times it'll eventually hit them directly in the head and nothing could stop the bleeding

It's a scratch for now.

[viscid sluice]

I don't think anything is going to happen to LTT from it if much. Too much stupid to go around.

[tawdry peak]

You never know.

Crazy things happen in this sphere all the time.

[stoic sable]

WAN show will surely be bombarded with questions regarding this, I wonder how many merch messages will be archived without a proper response

[nova sparrow]

Seems like a torrent would have worked 😉

https://youtu.be/TcSkrkXd2H0

[stoic sable]

nice, yet another podcastfor me to listen to

[lament condor]

don't throw stones in glass houses

[pulsar depot]

https://youtu.be/yOnbmnVQ9iU

[lament condor]

https://youtu.be/FGW3TPytTjc?t=1976

This is definitely leopards ate my face moment

like he's telling you the type of person he is directly

I don't have $300 to test an $800 cooler properly before posting a review video

Then they auction it off

[glad meadow]

The new CEO is going to have a fun time with this.

[lament condor]

time to fire linus

[glad meadow]

That can't happen, being that he and wifey are the sole owners of the company.

Linus is going to be intimately involved regardless of the concequences of that.

I'm happy that he's no longer CEO, so maybe he'll start finding the time to care about this shit.

[lament condor]

well his behaviour makes me wonder how he treats his wife

[glad meadow]

No need to infer anything like that.

[lament condor]

gaslighting, refuses to apologise

[pulsar depot]

Yeah, that’s just extremely far fetched and not even remotely related to the topics at hand

[lament condor]

seems like pretty classic abuser behaviour

[pulsar depot]

None of this is indicative of anything like that

[glad meadow]

How he protects his professional ego can be (and likely is) separate from his personal life.

[pulsar depot]

Linus has made a shitload of mistakes in his videos but let’s not imply he’s a wife abuser, there is no merit to such a claim.

[lament condor]

Unless he's dealing with ASPD no one compartmentalises to that degree

The issue isn't the mistakes

it's how he responds to mistakes

[pulsar depot]

And you are speculating something entirely unrelated to the topic at hand

[lament condor]

It's entirely related

Did you see the context of which I said it in

control of the company

and him being replaced

[pulsar depot]

No, you’re blindly calling someone an abuser when you know nothing about his personal life

[lament condor]

I said his actions lead me to believe he may be an abuser...

please don't mischaracterise what I said

[pulsar depot]

[upper phoenix]

based on your comments it seems like you may have killed a child in 1994

[stiff vortex]

Extreme oversimplification 🌈🌈
Their audio vids were terrible bc they were 7 mins long
And they tried memeing every chance they got

[pulsar depot]

And I believe you should leave that shit off the table until you have actual merit to make such speculations. You understand defamation is a thing, right?

[upper phoenix]

This internet machine only goes one way and that's directly off the fucking rails with speculative accusations.

[stiff vortex]

C'mon.... Not a fallout, a callout

Gm pointed out what we have all been noticing

[jade vale]

tf ufd tech?

they are still alive?

[stoic sable]

poor Taran just came in lol

[pulsar depot]

I love how in linus’ response he had to mention it was “his CEOs” team

[stoic sable]

To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness.

[pulsar depot]

Comparing LMG to Rome

[robust prism]

How many times man

How many times has he said those words

Even for this exact string of wrongdoing

Feels like deja vu

[upper phoenix]

Process improvement isn't going to fix not having enough time to make properly accurate videos.

[glad meadow]

^

[tawdry peak]

Nothing is going to change until LMG as a whole take a step back to address many of these apparent issues.

[vague elk]

I don't think half the uploads per week won't fix the quality issue

They really need to take one big step back

[upper phoenix]

The employees have said they don't have enough time to spend on videos.

It appears to be completely a time issue.

[vague elk]

Should do weekly videos per channel at least

[upper phoenix]

I don't know, this just might be a viability issue. If they make less, but more accurate, videos does their revenue go down? If so can they afford to pay people?

[elfin nacelle]

I'll forgive them if they send me a screwdriver

[vague elk]

The regular one or the noctua one

[elfin nacelle]

Noctua

[tawdry peak]

Linus himself has openly came out to state that merch and sponsorship are their biggest revenue streams

[glad meadow]

Isn't the majority of their cashflow now the store and sponsorships?

[tawdry peak]

Yep.

Direct ad revenue from Youtube has been crashing across the board.

[glad meadow]

Not saying YouTube isn't a significant cash cow, but the hit from lowering their release cadence is less than one would expect.

[tawdry peak]

I know a few smaller youtubers who were able to support a family via youtube a few years back, now having to have a second job to make up lost revenue despite channel growing

[glad meadow]

Is Floatplane profitable yet

[pulsar depot]

i believe they stated not too long ago most of their actual revenue is from the store, while sponsorships mostly fund the videos themselves

[upper phoenix]

I can get you a discount.

[pulsar depot]

cause, you know, $1mill server they shove in a closet and never use

[glad meadow]

Yeah they haven't done a "where does our money come from" video in a while

[elfin nacelle]

I've just been eyeing a megapro one

lol

they're like, 30$

[glad meadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zt57TWkTF4 2020

[upper phoenix]

I was literally going to link you that.

[elfin nacelle]

[pulsar depot]

ahh i guess not too long ago is 3 years

[vague elk]

Does it have that funny ratcheting mechanic

[upper phoenix]

I think it's a bit different on the megapro.

[elfin nacelle]

it's basically the ltt screwdriver

I do like that one that has the gears

https://www.amazon.com/Wera-Kraftform-Kompakt-Ratcheting-Screwdriver/dp/B004VMWYCU/ref=sr_1_31?crid=1MJJJVKTRKP42&keywords=screw+driver+ratchet&qid=1692109411&sprefix=screw+driver+ratchet+%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-31

this one

[tawdry peak]

iirc they also talked about it in their "most profitable videos" video

[jade vale]

I like their torque wrench

pretty expensive though

it was like 400?

[vague elk]

https://a.co/d/f1TerDh

I just use one of these except it has a lot more screwdriver bits

[glad meadow]

Heh, Linus makes a good point in the 2020 money video: Having provided any information about his net worth or worth of the business is pointless because it only really matters when a buyer is on the table.

Casual reminder that he was offered $100M earlier this year.

[final cipher]

I own this. I use it all the time.

[elfin nacelle]

it just seems neat

[final cipher]

I love my Weras. I just wish I could afford the wrenches.

[elfin nacelle]

I have this shitty dewalt ratcheting screwdriver from home depot, my dad broke it

the ratcheting is awful and I can't use the extension thingy on it

my dad used it as a pry bar

[final cipher]

I have a few Wera chiseldrivers

You can use them as punch tools or chisels lol @elfin nacelle

Your dad needs one

[elfin nacelle]

Oh, he has those, he was just at my place and that's what we had on hand

[frigid tusk]

https://youtu.be/X3byz3txpso

[elfin nacelle]

Steve

no

we need a break

[shell sentinel]

he was responding to linus's response specifically

[elfin nacelle]

ik

[wraith chasm]

Plus it's a news video, the LTT part is only half of the video 😄

[hallow elbow]

legit idk why linus lied about billet labs

in the GN video, they showed LMG acknowledged to give back the block...

a MONTH before auctioning it off

they auctioned it off after calling it a shit product which is confusing

[frigid tusk]

its dumb

[tawdry peak]

Getting spicy as fuck now

[hallow elbow]

iirc the auction was for charity right?

[tawdry peak]

Again, they promised sending it back.

[hallow elbow]

i dont believe all the money was going to charity if they felt the need to auction off a waterblock that they had to send back

[tawdry peak]

So whatever they auctioned for is irrelevant

[hallow elbow]

yeah ik

im not defending them in any way

i just have my suspicions

[wraith chasm]

Honestly so far this second video from GN is making Linus look worse

[hallow elbow]

the ltt server is going wild

all the floatplane subs, twitch subs, nitro boosters are basically meatriding LMG

[hallow elbow]

just because you give them money, doesnt mean you have to defend them

[shell sentinel]

they also ghosted

until the GN video

[tawdry peak]

lmao good luck having a normal WAN show this week

[wraith chasm]

Yeah there's gaurunteed to be hardcore fanboys

WAN show will be unhinged

[tawdry peak]

People are going to swarm Dan with merch messages.

[hallow elbow]

the company isnt your friend, no matter how personal linus tries to get showing off the company in the videos

[glad meadow]

[tawdry peak]

This has to be the biggest shitshow the entire youtube tech media circle has seen right

Like nothing else is close

[pulsar depot]

It definitely involves the biggest players

[hallow elbow]

i feel like with linus showing off the company a lot and all the employees, a lot of the LTT fans are beginning to have sort of a parasocial relationship with the staff which is fucking laughable

[pulsar depot]

I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s the craziest, but it’s definitely the biggest callout in a while

[hallow elbow]

also, in one of their videos, they forgot to blur out the face of a probational employee in a couple shots

[tawdry peak]

What was crazier than this

[pulsar depot]

I mean, If we want to be real, incompetent tech channels are nothing new

This is just a big channel/group of channels

[hallow elbow]

i can count a lot

[shell sentinel]

most YT tech reviews are incompetent

[hallow elbow]

ltt and toasty bros come off the top of my head when it comes to incompetent tech channels

[pulsar depot]

This isn’t “crazy”. It’s just big news

Because of the people involved

[hallow elbow]

2 of the biggest tech youtubers in a controversy? ofc its gonna blow up

[winter kiln]

when the stock cooler is better than an aio

[wraith chasm]

As massive as Linus's ego is, I think he knows responding properly would be bad for the company and wants to keep it quiet

[shell sentinel]

the funniest was the 4090 on

[hallow elbow]

yall remember when linus made this tweet from the brand twitter account rather than his personal account? this was when he had social media managers hired btw

[winter kiln]

true lmao

[shell sentinel]

or where the 1060 got like 30% improvements

[hallow elbow]

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1267322222969942016

Linus Tech Tips on Twitter

Tech tip: Benefits of dating outside your race include

1. Greater genetic diversity for our species
2. Many times larger dating pool to find 'the one'
3. Very cute babies (tho I'm a little biased)
4. If we all do it, no more racism cuz that shit's really really really stupid.

Twitter · Jun 1, 2020, 5:08 AM

[hallow elbow]

it is real

[winter kiln]

sorry guys we forgor!

[hallow elbow]

idk why linus thought this was a good idea

[wraith chasm]

I really admire the absolute massive balls on Steve to ignore personal relationships and tell it like it is, it's why I've always like GN

[hallow elbow]

GN is positively negative

[winter kiln]

what about it

[hallow elbow]

GN is honestly my fav tech channel

[winter kiln]

damn thats 3 years ago

[hallow elbow]

they actually know what theyre talking about

[pulsar depot]

GN loves calling people out more than any friend he has and I love it

https://tenor.com/view/haha-stir-the-pot-cat-stirring-the-pot-gif-14991900

[hallow elbow]

nothings wrong with the statement, but its very weird to post that on the public brand account rather than linus' personal account

[wraith chasm]

You know what, I'm dead certain it's a copypasta too

[winter kiln]

yeah true lol but that was 3 years ago

[hallow elbow]

its still stupid

[wraith chasm]

I swear to you I saw that post floating around Facebook 5+ years ago lmao

[hallow elbow]

linus is a stupid person in general

[pulsar depot]

I mean, dude can make some money. No denying that.

[hallow elbow]

yeah obviously

but a lot of dumb people are very rich

[pulsar depot]

But in terms of PR, yeah he’s something

[cinder gate]

you... huh...

[wraith chasm]

Bit of an ego ennit

[cinder gate]

where in the world did this come from

[hallow elbow]

hes never been the sharpest tool in the shed

[cinder gate]

ok but where's that coming from

[pulsar depot]

You don’t even know the dude outside of the frame of the video

[cinder gate]

seriously i don't understand how you come to that conclusion at all

[hallow elbow]

im acknowledging what im observing

[winter kiln]

linus seems like a very knowledgeable person, he just consistently rushes videos

[cinder gate]

real cop out of actually backing up what you're saying

[winter kiln]

and the fact he denies this and continues is the problem

[hallow elbow]

hes a very knowledgeable person about tech, sure

[elfin nacelle]

he talks very anecdotally

a lot of his info is very outdated

[pulsar depot]

Bubububut We use new data every time

[hallow elbow]

but hes not smart when it comes to running a business or being at a high position at a business, he went from salesman/video host at NCIX all the way to a CEO fast

[winter kiln]

yeah true

and his d15 shilling

lol

[elfin nacelle]

this one is funny, but not surprising

they've had so many segments about this

[hallow elbow]

i mean, i kind of understand it, its a great, silent cooler

but there are better options

[pulsar depot]

The dude created and managed a business valued at 100mill

[hallow elbow]

like the phantom spirit i heard is pretty damn good

[winter kiln]

mounts pa120 incorrectly
this is not my fault

[uneven jetty]

Steve just had his LTX 2024 invite revoked. /s

[cinder gate]

And was also the person in charge of selecting and buying stock at NCIX

[pulsar depot]

(Well, to be fair, him and his wife)

[cinder gate]

If you're going to say he's not smart, don't bring up the business side of things

[pulsar depot]

I mean I’ll say he’s far from perfect

But the dude isn’t entirely stupid

[cinder gate]

obviously

But to say he can't run a business? Laughable

[winter kiln]

he is probably making bank from throwing 9999 mid videos with sponsors out a week

[pulsar depot]

His PR is abysmal

[cinder gate]

it's so bad lmao

always has been

the number of times he's simply made a situation worse live on wan show

[uneven jetty]

Linus is smart but I think he has gotten out of touch and a little high on his own supply. He is far too defensive for any criticism.

[cinder gate]

incredible really

[pulsar depot]

“I used to always use the hard - r”

[winter kiln]

perhaps hes forcing more and more vids out in an attempt to make up for the expensive lab?

[pulsar depot]

[cinder gate]

Now that was just funny

[hallow elbow]

i never said he couldnt run a business, basically anyone with at least a braincell is able to run a business, but that doesnt mean they're any good at it

[shell sentinel]

this seems likely IMO

[pulsar depot]

…. Again

He created and built a business valued at 100m

Is that a “shitty business”?

[cinder gate]

He has a youtube business with over 100 employees and the only thing he started with was the NCIX Tech Tips channel, which he also made himself

[winter kiln]

more videos out the door = more money

[cinder gate]

You simply must find something else

[pulsar depot]

The dude manages to sell a fuckin screwdriver for $80. Any business that can sell you a screwdriver for $80 has some talent behind the wheel

[safe pulsar]

this was endearing, what a sweet summer child, his mind thought that was the worst thing you could say

[winter kiln]

arghghhh did they mix up the wrong psu with their thermaltake smart review?

[shell sentinel]

yes

that was GN's claim

[winter kiln]

lol

[tawdry peak]

Yep

Wrong unit in their best seller PSU video

Something also the comment immediately pointed out

[uneven jetty]

I don't think it was a full review tbh. Was more a review of their testing equipment but still should have labeled the unit correctly when showing how it stacks up.

[tawdry peak]

That's just one symptom of their lack of QC.

[winter kiln]

yeah ltt really needs a qc lmao

[hallow elbow]

also, theyve recommended the evga 400w n1 bomb unit in 2 of their previous builds, which is laughable

1. in their $500 budget pc livestream in 2020
2. in their video where they shoved a 1660(?) into an old acer desktop in april

[tawdry peak]

Also, fucking recommending debloater OS

That's possibly my biggest peeve with them in a while

[hallow elbow]

their buyers guide in 2022 also decided to recommend buying separate sticks of memory, instead of just buying a kit, which adds more to the cost

[cinder gate]

lmao bloody hell the detail about how Linus "already" agreed to compensate billet labs for the cooler

that's some real big business shifty language right there

maybe he's better at PR than we thought

[cursive bramble]

I watch LTT for quite a while now(around 2019 I think) , and tbh,I kinda wish they slow down on their uploads

[cinder gate]

that was so bad

[cursive bramble]

and for the love of god slow down on the sponsors/ads as well

[hallow elbow]

idk whos idea this was, probably the unpaid intern

$40 for 2x4gb basic 2400mhz ram

a kit is $20, a 16gb kit with good speed/timings is about $35

[cursive bramble]

nowadays for every video, there's the intro sponsor, the outro sponsor, them shilling their backpack/outfit then shill their Noctua screwdriver

[winter kiln]

wasnt it like this thing is so cool! then emily says like a 30 long list of cons

[hallow elbow]

this shit is so stupid

[winter kiln]

[hallow elbow]

emily needs to work at a better company, she seems like one of the people who actually knows what she's talking about

[uneven jetty]

I mean thats how they make money so I don't hate them for this.

[hexed vault]

^

Cash, cash,cash

[hallow elbow]

i think LMG needs some restructuring internally and the labs need a couple more years in the oven

[pure crescent]

how do you know thats not the best one they've been able to find

[cursive bramble]

I mean that part is valid

But it does get tiring to hear it every day

[pure crescent]

isn't that literally what they're doing?

[winter kiln]

this what im thinking

[uneven jetty]

You can skip the ads at least.

[hallow elbow]

they're only doing the basic restructuring most companies do when a new CEO comes in, but even though the labs still needs some time to grow, theyre already showing them off and putting them in the spotlight, even though they're clearly not ready yet.

[jade vale]

The labs is going to bleed even more money if they need to wait a few more years

[pure crescent]

They're showing them off because its content and content is how they fund projects

[cinder gate]

Y'all realise that labs is in nowhere near its final form, right?

When they say "we got labs to do some testing" they're saying "we used our tools to test this item"

that's all that means

[pure crescent]

GN has also done videos showing stuff off thats not ready yet because it's all a content mill

wwhatever happened to GN's fan testing thing?

[cursive bramble]

Linus when his Server breaks again so he can milk more content:

[cinder gate]

Showing off your new testing equipment essentially subsidises that equipment and also lets you get a video out without having to do much more work than you would've done otherwise

It's simply good business

[pure crescent]

^

[frigid tusk]

most of ltt discord is agreeing with gn

[pulsar depot]

I don’t think there are many people disagreeing with gn anywhere

[pulsar depot]

The difference is in how people respond to it.

[frigid tusk]

just the shills

[hallow elbow]

yep. except for some of the FP subs from what i can see

[cinder gate]

Bad poll is bad

[pulsar depot]

Hell even the shills understand he fucked up, they’re just arguing over semantics

[frigid tusk]

eh a lot of them are agreeing with gn

the diehard $69 tier ones arent

[pulsar depot]

Like the “actioned” vs “sold” semantics

[cursive bramble]

in youtube comments even FP subs agree with GN

give it a few more days, LTT will crack somehow

[hexed vault]

[hallow elbow]

this isnt big enough to shut LMG down

but its certainly enough to start some major changes within LMG

[pulsar depot]

I don’t think anyone truly believes it’s going to be the end of LTT

[cursive bramble]

and even if it doesn't,it doesn't

It doesn't affect most of our lives,just people who are new into pc stuff :v

[pulsar depot]

They may want it to, but I don’t think they truly believe it will.

[tawdry peak]

The problem is the current environment does not allow her to take the time she needs on their projects. She made this point very clear in the employee video earlier this year.

[hexed vault]

Hitting the bong if they think youtube drama gonna do it

[pulsar depot]

Short of child related incidents (yes, those incidents) it’s rather hard to fully kill a channel

[hallow elbow]

lets be real, if LTT shuts down, it'll probably be bought considering iirc linus mentioned that they had a company that wanted to do a buyout for like $100M+ iirc?

[cinder gate]

But linus stresses dilligence!

[pulsar depot]

And that value was based on their reputation

[cursive bramble]

b-b-but our transparency!

[pulsar depot]

Which is now in shambles

[tawdry peak]

Emily alongside two or three other editors and writers all stressed that they dont have time on their videos.

[cursive bramble]

ngl I miss Anthony

[cinder gate]

btw most polite thing to do, generally, is just refer to someone by their chosen name

[cinder gate]

emily

[cursive bramble]

I probably missed it, what's with the emily/anthony?

[hallow elbow]

i think they should skip one video for the week, gives at least a bit more time to refine the videos they put out

[cinder gate]

She's trans

[shell sentinel]

Fwiw I was confused who Emily was when they said the name

[hallow elbow]

she transitioned

[cinder gate]

Name is emily

[cursive bramble]

Oh.

aight,TIL

[cinder gate]

👍

[pure crescent]

big enough to make some major changes at billet labs too

[hallow elbow]

yeah definitely

[safe pulsar]

same, I googled it like 5 min ago - I thought I missed a new employee somehow.

[cursive bramble]

Idk how expensive Watercooling stuff are,but I assumed $800+ is the usual expected parts for the blocks?

[shell sentinel]

Billet should go after way more than production cost of their prototype imo

[hallow elbow]

maybe the new CEO wont be in support of union busting kekekekekek

[cursive bramble]

not to mention it's a CPU + GPU block,so I somewhat understand the price,even if I don't know much about Watercooling

[shell sentinel]

Ehh blocks are usually not THAT expensive

[hallow elbow]

i mean its a pretty damn high end block

[pulsar depot]

Did the gn video cover that? I only saw the part where they stated the price of the prototype, not what they asked for for reparations (for a lack of a better term)

[cursive bramble]

aren't those fancy acrylic EK block thingies cost like 1k+ ?

[hallow elbow]

the new GN video did iirc

[safe pulsar]

getting something precision milled when it's not being sold in large batches - 800$ is not weird.

[hallow elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso

[shell sentinel]

No because billet and not even accepted LTTs offer even though Linus claimed they had

[hallow elbow]

(somebody pin this btw)

[pulsar depot]

That’s what I thought

[cinder gate]

btw generally the best thing to do is just refer to someone as their chosen name, regardless of where they were in their transition at the time you're referencing

[pure crescent]

Billet should not have shipped out their one and only prototype when it wasn't even in a space to move to HVM. I mentioned this last night but there were so many things that could've gone wrong shipping this across the sea. Just because LTT was the fault point doesn't mean it was a good decision

[shell sentinel]

I was just saying "they should"

[hallow elbow]

i think a lawsuit could be involved

[pulsar depot]

Ahhhh

Ignore my lack of English skills

[shell sentinel]

I mean, they wanted publicity and LTT is a huge channel

[hallow elbow]

auctioning off a prototype to a possible competitor even though they were meant to return the prototype a month before it was auctioned

[pure crescent]

And now they're getting way more publicity than they could've hoped for.

[hallow elbow]

i meant to say to pin the video link 😢

but yeah dat works too

[cursive bramble]

I mean even if Billet fucked up by shipping their only prototype, doesn't mean it balances out how Linus handled it

[ember depot]

LTT discord ban speedruns when

[pure crescent]

oh no of course not

[pulsar depot]

I don’t think flower is excusing LTT so much as also calling out the fault of the other party

[shell sentinel]

I mean, yes, but if I were them I would go after the LTT video for slander

[pulsar depot]

A side can make a mistake without removing fault from the other side

[hallow elbow]

what does HWUB think about the LMG situation, i cba to watch their take on it

[pure crescent]

But Apparently Billet Labs needed that prototype to continue production so they took a massive risk in several points in the chain and chose to delay their own product by shipping it.

[pulsar depot]

This is “basic” IP protection

[cursive bramble]

as much as most of the community wants Billet to sue LMG or something

It's 2 dudes against a (allegedly) 100M company with 60+ employees

[winter kiln]

i was banned for calling someone dumb

lol

[tawdry peak]

How long did it take

[ember depot]

i addressed that earlier though, Billet labs took a risk based on the reasonable risks they foresaw in sending their prototype.

In no world is "they ducking auctioned it to a competitor after an agreement to return it" a reasonable foreseeable risk

[pure crescent]

also if the issue that comes up with them auctioning it "IP" or being the first to market with this product then maybe actually put the product into HVM instead of showing it to 15 million people lol

[hallow elbow]

i wonder how all of this will affect the pcmr collab, as the pcmr discord server has also been clowning on linus

[cinder gate]

pcmr discord should clown on themselves first

[winter kiln]

you saying pcmr more accurate source of info?

lol

[ember depot]

that I think is part of the reason that Linus is being an arrogant dick here.

Would he be saying the same if this was an AMD sample?

[hallow elbow]

god no

its still 100x better than the ltt discord imo, at least pcmr didnt have cablemod sponsor a support channel teehee

[pure crescent]

The risk of their competitors getting their hands on it isn't a reasonable risk sure.

Their competition seeing it, gauging interest in it, and beating them to market with it is a VERY real risk tho
and them never getting the prototype back is also a very big risk. If they didn't consider those two then thats their fault imo because the bottom two risk sort of in a way encompasses the 1st risk

[ember depot]

Yea but they took that into account by having an agreement to return the thing

[frigid tusk]

😬

[ember depot]

Auctioning it off is the very definition of "egregious conduct"

[pure crescent]

Yes yes yes, I've already said LTT is also at fault. But where is the personal accountability to not ship your entire business's future across the sea in the mail and pretty much hope that it arrives safely and timely

Once again, they could simply have just flown the product in themselves. Thats what that slim air cooler guy did iirc

as in an engineer or marketer or CEO even flies with the product in their own carry on

[shell sentinel]

TBF they are a pretty small company though, flying someone over would be a huge cost to them both in terms of time and resources

like, they are 2 employees

they (rightly) assumed LTT would behave professionally and send the review sample back, as is standard in industry

sure, they did take some risk by sending it, but this is not even a forseeable outcome IMO

[cinder gate]

if the issue was that it got damaged in transit or shipping, your criticism would be correct

[shell sentinel]

yea

[cinder gate]

as is, it's completely detached from the problem

and we don't know that it wasn't insured

[shell sentinel]

or even if somehow LTT damaged it during usage

like those would be "reasonable" things

IMO

[tawdry peak]

LTT didnt even properly test it

Despite Billet sending them instructions.

And Linus refuse to take the time to properly do it.

[pure crescent]

would insurance allow them to recreate the prototype? cuz rn thats what I thought the issue was

[cinder gate]

no but it means you're not mega bonered if something happens to it

[shell sentinel]

from the GN video it even sounds like they got sent a 3090ti

[pure crescent]

Thats fine. But then ddon't send your one and only prototype for marketing in front of 15m people?