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#Which character do you most want added to smash?
barren veldt
rotund cradle
me]
sand burrow
may guilty gear
pseudo shore
Peppino Spaghetti
limpid owl
subtle holly
Maxwell from Scribblenauts
pseudo shore
Actually magalor
celest turret
muted gate
The Ghost from HK
limpid owl
this man
sly iris
bandana waddle Dee!
barren veldt
I meant to reply to zcar
ashen robin
Waluigi, but not for the memes. He could be a great representation of the party spinoffs like Mario Kart and Mario Party.
muted gate
Waluigi, but not for the memes. He could be a great representation of the party ...
Toad:
sly iris
It’s been 12 years since his playable debut in return to dreamland and he’s still not in
barren veldt
Cant handle road to dorado
subtle holly
Maxwell from Scribblenauts
Also on my most wanted list are
-Any Yokai Watch rep
-Magalor
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Crash Bandicoot
ashen robin
Dark Meta Knight would be interesting.
I think Echos were Ultimate only, so he could play like the Dr. Mario counterpart to Meta Knight.
subtle holly
And also although they are already in the game I would want moveset reworks for Ganondorf, Kirby, and Sonic
muted gate
Dark Meta Knight doesn’t play anything like Meta Knight
In his one actual playable appearance.
Which
Makes him a perfect echo
storm heart
i think the game would be genuinely better if they removed daisy
subtle holly
Yeah and Ken doesn't play like Ryu yet is an echo. So as long as dark meta knight is an echo like Ken instead of an echo like daisy it could be cool
barren veldt
i think the game would be genuinely better if they removed daisy
Why?
I know nothing about smash really
muted gate
Yeah and Ken doesn't play like Ryu yet is an echo. So as long as dark meta knigh...
All of Dark MK moves are basically him shattering and splitting himself.
storm heart
echo character without gameplay changes and also i hate her character
neat crater
genuinely, just porting in Phoenix's evidence mechanic from MvC3 into Smash would be super hilarious
subtle holly
Why?
She is actually just a glorified costume. Like there is 0 difference between peach's moves and daisy's moves
barren veldt
Ah
muted gate
They removed her one difference
barren veldt
Thats sad
subtle holly
Yeah daisy actually had the turnips from smash 4 in early ultimate but then they patched it to give her the same turnips as Peach had
storm heart
which is justified but also they shouldnt have made her an echo in the first place
muted gate
yeah.
subtle holly
Like Daisy, Richter, and to a lesser extent dark Samus are all basically the same as their non echo counterpart
storm heart
addition by subtraction 
ashen robin
What about M.Bison or Eggman?
subtle holly
Those would be cool
brittle dust
muted gate
Rabbid?
muted gate
We all know the Rabbid has a higher chance tbh…
ashen robin
https://tenor.com/view/rayman-video-games-rabbids-win-dancing-gif-17715731
Have you heard of Brawlhalla?
brittle dust
perhaps
storm heart
mid af game
subtle holly
We all know the Rabbid has a higher chance tbh…
The fact that this is lowkey true kind of disgusts me
muted gate
Rabbid Mario for smash 🥱
barren veldt
We all know the Rabbid has a higher chance tbh…
Just get edge in plese 
muted gate
Rabbid Mario more of an icon tbh..
ashen robin
The fact that this is lowkey true kind of disgusts me
How many franchises started out as spin-offs and got more popular than their main series?
All I can think of is Portal.
brittle dust
Id want a rabbid to be in the gtame more than rayman, but I want the really nasty, industrial, technological advanced version from rrr1 moreso than any iteration
storm heart
How many franchises started out as spin-offs and got more popular than their mai...
persona
tribal ember
All I can think of is Portal.
huh wdym portal spinoff
ashen robin
Id want a rabbid to be in the gtame more than rayman, but I want the really nast...
Wait, really? What’s the continuity in that series?
subtle holly
How many franchises started out as spin-offs and got more popular than their mai...
Mario
Ms. Pacman
muted gate
Ms. Pac-Man is dead now so 🥱
brittle dust
Wait, really? What’s the continuity in that series?
To not blow up the chat, heres the condensed version. Rayman 4 was supposed to be a open world platformer with the rabbids being these beings of destruction that want to enslave and sell everyone from the glade of dreams. A lot of the assets used in Rayman 4 prototype was from KingKong, a dark and gritty game, just as placeholder stuff. Nintendo came in and said lol you only have 4 months to finish this game so Ubisoft decided to scrap the platformer and either repurpose or reuse the gritty assets for Rayman Raving Rabbids which makes the game look really grotesque and ugly and I love it
ashen robin
huh wdym portal spinoff
Yeah, Portal is a spin-off of Half Life.
tribal ember
i've never seen anyone say that
tribal ember
i know they're in the same universe but that doesn't mean spin off
brittle dust
smash 6 poggies
Actually now that I think about it, now that sega owns rovio and they have sonic in the game, sega can start pressuring nintendo to add the angry birds or the bad piggies
vapid vault
Bad piggies with vehicle build gimmick
muted gate
Angry Birds/Piggies would be the wildest assist trophy tbh
subtle holly
Actually now that I think about it, now that sega owns rovio and they have sonic...
Reminds me of this meme that was circling around before Sora's release
tame seal
Reminds me of this meme that was circling around before Sora's release
yeah but rovio is broke so it's got nonna happen
storm heart
Angry Birds/Piggies would be the wildest assist trophy tbh
a slingshot would make perfect sense as an assist trophy yeah
subtle holly
Imagining Sakurai saying Nyeee hehehe is still unreasonably funny to me
vapid vault
If they actually put angry birds in as fighters they'll probably be movie designs tbh
muted gate
Probably.
exotic orbit
i think they should put more fire emblem characters
storm heart
so true
lethal smelt
Waluwigi - for an actual answer make all the echoes and alt skins into true characters
storm heart
alear final smash is them doing a namedrop
would be peak fiction
lethal smelt
Or like add komala
muted gate
I always had an idea of a bad piggies assist. Where each stage had a random build that would just appear and cause chaos.
This masterpiece deserves to be in smash as an assist tbh…
tribal ember
they should add the cat from split the room the jackbox game
subtle holly
i think they should put more fire emblem characters
Honestly as long as they aren't another sword fighter I would be fine with another fire emblem rep
exotic orbit
Waluwigi - for an actual answer make all the echoes and alt skins into true char...
waluigi shouldnt get into smash, the devs got a lot of threats that wanted them to put him in and adding him would reward this type of behavior
personally i feel like he needs his own game with a new place for him, like warioware did
exotic orbit
fr though where is captain toad
subtle holly
How Toad isn’t in smash yet. Who knows.
I mean he technically is...
muted gate
I always saw Toad as the spin-off rep. Especially when MP started using him as the host again.
brittle dust
Just put in toad with a Waluigi costume
This is my favorite fake smash reveal trailer because it looks so real
vapid vault
unova pokemon trainer but they use genies of a healthy meta
Landorus could just do anything like it's always done
exotic orbit
https://youtu.be/qr6NkkmsOCs
theres also a fanmade reveal for waluigi where he just kills a toad and steals his invitation
brittle dust
LMAO
subtle holly
Landorus could just do anything like it's always done
Landorus-T makes brawl meta knight look like brawl ganondorf
storm heart
captain toad cant jump
exotic orbit
i wonder what smash without sakurai would look like
storm heart
disqualified
storm heart
nah i dont believe it
muted gate
It’s the Kirby and the rainbow curse situation.
subtle holly
i wonder what smash without sakurai would look like
Sad but probably inevitable
muted gate
Where Kirby didn’t want to walk.
subtle holly
Honestly I want less new characters in the next smash game and more moveset reworks for old characters
exotic orbit
Sad but probably inevitable
i mean the next console will likely have switch compatability so they can just let people play ultimate on that and just not make another one for a while
subtle holly
i mean the next console will likely have switch compatability so they can just l...
The Mario Kart 8 strategy
muted gate
Imagine changing an old characters moveset?!! Should have asked for another game that wasn’t smash….
subtle holly
Imagine changing an old characters moveset?!! Should have asked for another game...
I mean they've done it before
lethal smelt
Honestly I want less new characters in the next smash game and more moveset rewo...
This is 100% the best way forward
exotic orbit
but new characters generate more hype
muted gate
Yeah.
exotic orbit
and mains of old characters could be upset
muted gate
Smash is probably the most funniest when it’s new character season.
subtle holly
Eh the characters I want reworked would probably make their mains more happy
exotic orbit
if it keeps enough of what made the original moveset unique then yes
muted gate
Most of the smash 64 chars do need an overhaul tbh.
exotic orbit
i do agree though
subtle holly
Except maybe Ganondorf but honestly they could take current smash Ganondorf and turn it into Black Shadow an echo fighter for captain falcon
exotic orbit
not my ganon...
muted gate
Going to wait for the day Kirby gets a moveset overhaul or at least a visual overhaul.
subtle holly
Black shadow could easily have the same moveset as Smash 4 Ganon
While allowing Ganondorf himself to get a proper rework
exotic orbit
visual overhaul? you mean the transformations?
muted gate
A lot of the fighter and suplex moves
Basically exist in other ability variants
Such as down air being down air parasol in his games.
Kirby is so boring to look at
When playing 😭
subtle holly
I basically want everything about kirby to change other than like jab, neutral B, and dash attack
exotic orbit
thats true
i thought you meant design
exotic orbit
I basically want everything about kirby to change other than like jab, neutral B...
the hammer is cool too but its really unusable
subtle holly
Up B should be either tornado or high jump imo
exotic orbit
rock is just noob bait lul
muted gate
Just like the games…
exotic orbit
damn
exotic orbit
final smash is a sword no?
storm heart
its the end of his cutter melee attacj
muted gate
Ultra Sword yeah
subtle holly
If you want to be fancy turn down B into a weapon toggle where you can choose to use either sword, hammer, or spear in your normals kind of like min min changing arms
storm heart
no thats stupid dont be fancy
just use different abilities for different moves, no switching
tribal ember
If you want to be fancy turn down B into a weapon toggle where you can choose to...
kirby is supposed to be the new player character thats not happening
rose dagger
Now I remember but I thought it was something sword did back in the gba
exotic orbit
theres so many cosmic horrors they could use for final smash
subtle holly
I just really want Kirby to actually use his copy abilities in more of his moves. That's my main gripe
muted gate
kirby is supposed to be the new player character thats not happening
Idk, Kirby can have complex moveset in his game if used well. I feel like Kirby can have something complex.
storm heart
yeah so the normals
storm heart
Idk, Kirby can have complex moveset in his game if used well. I feel like Kirby ...
but he shouldnt
tribal ember
there's a resaon he's the first character in world of light
exotic orbit
low skill floor high skill ceiling characters can work
storm heart
but he shouldnt be complex
rose dagger
I think that would be Mario
split smelt
gooey (kirby universe)/doc louis (punchout)
muted gate
Eh. I disagree. Mario is a beginner character yet he is interesting to play as.
Kirby shouldnt be stuck as boring to play.
storm heart
and mario doesnt have a complex moveset either
exotic orbit
also true
kirby games themselves are also quite simple so its the best fit
storm heart
kirby doesnt need a complex moveset to be interesting
exotic orbit
mario combos can be tough to pull off
rose dagger
idk I was thinking of fludd ig
muted gate
kirby doesnt need a complex moveset to be interesting
Kirby abilities having somewhat complexity is what makes it interesting in the first place.
storm heart
kirby should be more interesting but not in the way of "lets give kirby a ton of different stances and a billion moves"!
exotic orbit
imagine if his b was mouthful mode or something and he just copies the entire character
storm heart
the complexity in his kit has always been secondary to his ease of use
rose dagger
At ground level I'm fine with the aerials just looking like wing or something
river lynx
I have 3:
Character 1: Waluigi. I know this is a pretty common one, but concept wise. I think it would be perfect. Hes got a mario party rep and tennis, so he does have a lot of potential.
Character 2: Galacta Knight. He is one of the most badass kirby characters of all time. He is an alt of metaknight, yes. They could totally upgrade to an echo or a whole other character.
Character 3: Armarouge/Ceruledge. The recent reps from pokemon would be the perfect additions to the game. They are not gonna be in the same slot (Pyra and mythra moment), but maybe we add one or the other (or both)
muted gate
I feel like Kirby’s specials should have some second form. Cause many of Kirby’s actual specials in his games, can be modified with different inputs.
But that’s just me.
muted gate
Stone in Kirby can become bigger stone by doing the same input. Hammer becomes a projectile by doing the same input when running.
Final Cutter is just a physical combo but
Kirby’s ability to modify his own stuff is literally just same input but again.
storm heart
ok i see
i think youd want a different selection of specials from that though
and them not being "mash the button again"
subtle holly
I feel like Kirby’s specials should have some second form. Cause many of Kirby’s...
I feel like kirby shouldn't have command inputs that seems even more complicated
muted gate
Anyway personally I change stone to Doctor Kirby’s Down B.
Where they just create potions cause it’s funny.
storm heart
doctor is irrelevant next
subtle holly
I feel like old spark would be a good down b for kirby
muted gate
doctor is irrelevant next
Appeared in 3 modern Kirby games so
storm heart
Anyway personally I change stone to Doctor Kirby’s Down B.
but maybe for a down smash ig
subtle holly
I feel like old spark would be a good down b for kirby
It could be like ness magnet but instead of absorbing projectiles it just clanks with them
muted gate
BWD if he ever comes probably uses Beam/Parasol tbh
subtle holly
Beam would work well as a side B (the whip attack not the charge attack)
subtle holly
That's just Jigglypuff
muted gate
No, sleep buffs Kirby.
In two appearances or is a melee fighter in another.
I think Kirby having a way to buff their mobility would be good(?). It’s one of their main problems.
barren veldt
Apparently this was a good question
subtle holly
I mean you did kind of just take it from the discussion going on in off-topic...
subtle holly
Got it so it was a coincidence that a question related to future smash characters just happend to be released when we were talking about future smash characters in off-topic
tribal ember
Got it so it was a coincidence that a question related to future smash character...
and "inspired" by the person who first mentioned new characters to smash
barren veldt
next question
Wait a day
tight jewel
fortnite jonesy
storm heart
true thatd be awesome
barren veldt
James bobs
James bobs
rare sluice
James bobs
James bobs
prisma rampart
Bond
annoying people will realize once nongame characters get to smash they will unironically suggest shit like shrek
slim wasp
annoying people will realize once nongame characters get to smash they will unir...
Nah like
He was planned for melee
Because of goldeneye
That’s why I want him in
prisma rampart
oh shit fr? but still think about the consequences
storm heart
there were tons of random ideas for melee
tight jewel
sounds like a lame addition
jonesy is the only character that could top the best character ever added to smash
prisma rampart
jonesy is the only character that could top the best character ever added to sma...
yea but the portal guy!
tight jewel
maybe
tight jewel
but it just doesn't match up to steve
slim wasp
That doesn’t have infinite flight cos that’s broken probably
tight jewel
just imagine jonesy and steve in the same game
prisma rampart
mm mayb
subtle holly
Yeah James Bond was briefly considered but Sakurai vetoed it because
A. Realistic guns were a no go
B. Getting the rights to use Pierce Brosnan's likeness was a challenge
C. Getting the rights to use the character from Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer was also a huge challenge
D. And getting the rights to use the video game James Bond from Rare who had just been bought by Microsoft was also a challenge
prisma rampart
also because hes not a game origin character
modern knoll
storm heart
ARLE MENTION WOOO
subtle holly
Well they were specifically going to use the Goldeneye 64 version but it came with all of those hurtles. Basically James Bond would have been the Sora before Sora at a time where they didn't have enough time or resources to actually get all the licensing in time
wet tendon
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A guilty gear representation at best.
fallen robin
totsugeki 😱
strong cedar
I want porg lover in smash to represent PvZH server
storm heart
A guilty gear representation at best.
put in asuka lets goooo
strong cedar
I think that unironically a good answer is Ekko or Jinx. League is a big IP, Arcane is a pretty good pool to choose from, and Ekko would have a complex kit while Jinx has a bit more recognition in her.
Obviously project L is coming out so it’s a little weird to ask for but yeah.
Otherwise Neku from TWEWY
wet tendon
totsugeki 😱
YEah!
civic geyser
Karl from Deep Rock Galactic (they’d have to nerf him though)
rare sluice
🐬
rose inlet
Springtrap
subtle holly
Bro
rare yacht
shovel knight as an actual fighter not an assist trophy
rare sluice
shovel knight as an actual fighter not an assist trophy
I like your pick
barren veldt
PHEONIX WRIGHT
1000000%%
If I’m going into more unrealistic territory, then I’d go with Crazy Dave
silk apex
mogus
muted gate
Crewmate will be incorporated in Henry Stickmin’s moveset in 50 years. Trust.
rose dagger
Crash. it just clicks, I feel, as the opposite of Sonic on the Mario scale (more or less, not like a snail who hits hard, but definitively weighty)
also Phoenix Wright and Bandana Dee
strong cedar
If I’m going into more unrealistic territory, then I’d go with Crazy Dave
crazy dave actually goes so hard
peashooter wouldn't be all that bad too
like i can pretty easily imagine what the up b recovery looks like (using the leafs at the top to fly)
side b is probably some form of the big final pea post-plant food
might have some sort of vines lock as a down b
regular things like side tilts and so forth are just shooting peas/small vine whacks
barren veldt
peashooter wouldn't be all that bad too
I’d imagine crazy Dave’s moves will involve the plants
Maybe the down special could be a chomper burrow 🤩
barren veldt
Piranha plant:
barren veldt
Porg and spidz as ice climber type characters
@strong cedar would you be down?
strong cedar
barren veldt
I don’t care how good your character could be, my dumbass couldn’t learn all of the duo-fighter mechanics 😭
Apparently ice climbers is like one of the most complex characters in the game
unkempt viper
i don't want them to add anyone, they need to cut the entire roster there are 90 characters and 90 of them aren't fun to play
but other than that i think faust would be funny
those people that wanted hero banned would love that
unkempt viper
true
storm heart
true but only if they cut the characters i dislike
stuck elbow
Ratchet and Clank. Like, the games literally gave a perfect moveset for them???
Rivet could be an echo fighter
civic geyser
If I’m going into more unrealistic territory, then I’d go with Crazy Dave
Crazy Dave is in rivals of aether
smoky kelp
perhaps, but everyone is in rivals of aether vicariously (including your mother)
tight jewel
i don't want them to add anyone, they need to cut the entire roster there are 90...
cut everyone but steve
lofty drift
sans
prisma rampart
right so everything everyone said here is either generic mid or shitty but the portal guy a guilty gear rep and Jonesyyyyyy
right and jinx too
- I may see a little bit of potential in crazy dave
slim wasp
More times passed between smash 4 and ultimate than ultimate and now…
anyway yeah a guilty gear rep is def Happening
I also do really want to see master hand but nerfed to a playable character
ionic ridge
Perry the platypus.
rare sluice
Nice
fossil lily
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imposter
fr though I might be the only one who actually wants imposter in smash unironically just because they could have a cool moveset
also add feddy fazbore from five night freddy as a mii costume
storm heart
yeah would work very well
clever shale
Makes him a perfect echo
Just like samus
toxic furnace
def heavy
royal wigeon
Addison Rae