Your playstyle wouldnt change
#Spear Point [Needs Rework]
jade topaz
You will still use it because units will naturally die on sno sno and fie
Even if you decide to
silent urchin
No
If more people die with no scaling you'll get more damage
And that's the only way to get anything out of no scaling
Death farming like buster bombing
jade topaz
You still get something without intentionally dying
because itll still happen
you get more from doing it
silent urchin
You'll be rewarded with almost nothing
And it won't even match your tide level
Making it a gimik at best for the first 5 waves
jade topaz
Because you aren't letting it's requirement fulfill
silent urchin
Then your forced into building around it
jade topaz
I gave you an example how it can be used past tide 5
jade topaz
Then your forced into building around it
So suddenly letting units die will not let you use towers aswell
silent urchin
It would work with my system too
jade topaz
But it would nerf itself for 0 reason at all
Why add scaling if you are going to force it to maintain at a dps
silent urchin
So suddenly letting units die will not let you use towers aswell
But the net of the gavel might be able to kill the enemies before the get to your tower
jade topaz
So can current gavel...
silent urchin
But it would nerf itself for 0 reason at all
It's not a nerf, it's a countermeasure
jade topaz
You don't take account how much you can let your towers die with a fish wall or stun pad
silent urchin
Why add scaling if you are going to force it to maintain at a dps
So it scales with the tide
jade topaz
It's not a nerf, it's a countermeasure
A countermeasure that nerfs your damage for killing units
jade topaz
So it scales with the tide
It can stay with the tide amount by adding more towers/units
Itll naturally be better dps than it was 10 tides ago
but no
you don't take that into account
silent urchin
A countermeasure that nerfs your damage for killing units
It nerfs your damage if the gavel is going to so an unproportionsl amount of damage
jade topaz
So don't let it be able to do that amount of damage by not letting it scale in the first place
as I said
you can just increase base damage
silent urchin
you don't take that into account
Sure there might be more dead on tide 30 than 15
jade topaz
Nothing will change early, itll be better late
silent urchin
But the 20 damage dealt on wave 15 will have more impact than 100 damage dealt on wave 30
silent urchin
Nothing will change early, itll be better late
Make it scale
jade topaz
You will be having a LOT more than 100 dmg on 30
jade topaz
Thats still a boost
silent urchin
Thats still a boost
Not as much as a red cardinal should give
jade topaz
so increase the base damage so it does more
silent urchin
so increase the base damage so it does more
Scallinggg
jade topaz
If it scales with divided parameters you'll just stop using gavel
silent urchin
Base damage would boost buster too much at the start
jade topaz
It has to be a constant
silent urchin
It has to be a constant
It'll still so more dps when you upgrade things
jade topaz
Base damage would boost buster too much at the start
10 -> 15 wouldnt matter because you still 1 shot spears and daggers before the buff
silent urchin
It just won't do more damage when you flood things
jade topaz
It'll still so more dps when you upgrade things
And it will still do that with a base dmg buff
as you have more things to use it from
silent urchin
And it will still do that with a base dmg buff
Only if you upgrade paths that decrease hp
Otherwise flooding is always better
jade topaz
paths that have less hp would benefit from it more
balibut would still benefit bc of its aoe + it gains a single target beam
silent urchin
balibut would still benefit bc of its aoe + it gains a single target beam
But you wouldn't get rewarded for upgrading
You'd get rewarded for placing more
silent urchin
You do because you get pubber/baviar
Takes too long to die
Slowing down the dying rate
silent urchin
Not with JB revving it
Half hp?
jade topaz
You will have enough fish to cycle by then
silent urchin
And this comes back to the same problem as building around Tmthe cardinal
jade topaz
with a 1:3 ratio you can still hold just fine
silent urchin
You will have enough fish to cycle by then
If it's a tight map
jade topaz
And this comes back to the same problem as building around Tmthe cardinal
However you can do this without the cardinal to get more balibut explosions
The cardinal BOOSTS it
not MAKES it happen
If you can't understand that, there is no reason to go on
It's would do fine with only 0hp proc
silent urchin
The cardinal BOOSTS it
But with the suggested one it wouldn't be as easy to abuse with spam placement
And buster would maintain bs
jade topaz
That's still being punished for placing more units
because you'll have more deaths naturally
silent urchin
That's still being punished for placing more units
It wont change the dps
It'll stay the same
jade topaz
We've spent too long on this so im just goanna leave it as it is
silent urchin
And it'll increase w/ money spent on it
jade topaz
It wont change the dps
Give a reference that would perfectly do that then
silent urchin
Give a reference that would perfectly do that then
Buddy
I'm not doing more math than I need to
What would you even want?
40 dps endgame?
jade topaz
There will be parts will itll be a detriment to have more units that die than less that live slightly longer because of how it would decrease dmg
silent urchin
30?
jade topaz
I can guarrantee you if it was switched to on 0 hp proc 3/5 vessels have a way to get 200 dps
silent urchin
What would be a fair
jade topaz
Which is above most red cardinals (probably on par with drink stand on paper, but that costs 500 red)
silent urchin
Endgame wave 30 dps
silent urchin
You'er underpowering other red cardinals
I'm asking you
silent urchin
What would be a good dps
jade topaz
I said 100-200
silent urchin
What about on wave 10?
silent urchin
Yeah
jade topaz
Then around 20-30
silent urchin
Forgot the 0
jade topaz
Depending when your econ spikes itll also spike with it
jade topaz
Sports drink/paper give more than that
silent urchin
I'll have the equation done in a few days
jade topaz
problem with them is that your limited to what it can do, gavel can effect everything but paper is your first tower
alr then
jade topaz
grats
silent urchin
I'm going to sleep
jade topaz
gn ig
silent urchin
Gn
wanton garnet
Why does this have over two thousand messages posted
silent urchin
Why does this have over two thousand messages posted
there was an alright argument for both sides
Although I got the formula that'd balance gavel
If X = Damage
and Z = Ore Spent
and G = Amount of Units hitting 0 Hp per minute
(minimun of 0.5 deaths per minute)
And stacking more deaths doesn't punish you
It'll still give you more damage, but not a straight up increase like we have with current gavel and old gavel
If a tower costing 4K worth of ores hits 0 hp, it will do 36.6 damage
If a 4K dog spawning tower is killing 1 dog a second (60 dogs in a minute)
Each dog will deal 4.7 Gavel damage
Still doing around 200 sum damage per minute
if you have a slower one
Killing 30 dogs per minute
It'll do higher damage
but still less dps than the one w/ 60 dogs
Showing that it rewards you for getting more quantity
but not at a gamebreaking rate
silent urchin
282 damage per minute
silent urchin
198 damage per minute
silent urchin
If a Dev sees this