Suggestion of Quirks Balancing for 1.5.2/1.6

[tawny frigate]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vQIqt6WyxN4AKyTozXA4AluL5aZ89P1T7fltNkkWgU8/edit?usp=sharing
Every time I tried to edit it, the server just blocking the some words even it's not something bad causing me unable to edit it, so I could only do this

[twilit yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[quasi mural]

Wild statement

Yapper

This’ll prob all be for nothing

[viral torrent]

50% champ is crazy

[tawny frigate]

that's pretty decent

additives still better though

but at least not a trash quirk

[quasi mural]

Can we talk about how bombing just becomes stupid broken

[tawny frigate]

the bombing buff will ensure you definitely hit something but I guess that's won't be too broken since bombing have delay to proc as well

other mobbing quirks might have faster time to kill than this

[quasi mural]

A lot of quirks aren’t meant to be good but meant to be mediocre

And you changed a bunch of the balanced ones

[tawny frigate]

Yeah but I didn't changed them that much

[tawny frigate]

such as ?

[twilit yoke]

there, this should do

champ upgraded so much that every priest is another minion
bombing can fit the whole room
echo buff? buffing something that's already pretty good?
saw nerf? something that's just fine?

and I don't even wanna see the rest

beam keeps the multiplier and consumes only 1 ammo thus becoming way more op than a railgun (sure it spawns only on legendaries but that's not a good reason)

[tawny frigate]

the champ buff is essential since it's so trash that blaster can literally replace its job, with the buff you will having decent damages
bombing buff might be little overpowered when paired with other quirks but the delay is kinda making it slow, will see things goes
echo buff is great actually, echo in current state is just decent and with the buff ensure echo having good proc rate and great damages also can be used on sniper,
last the beam, yes this is op, that's old beam used to be and I wanna bring it back to match up current quirks environment, and i don't think that's more op than railgun since we have autorail exist

[twilit yoke]

alright, I'll just ask: why is combo shot at 100% bonus damage max when something such as blaster or chrono (which is a dead quirk) give at least 80% bonus damage on every shot

even with a buff, combo shot gives bullets only 25% more damage

[tawny frigate]

I don't think combo shot is meant to be good when the devs was designing this quirk

[twilit yoke]

I think you're referring to detrimental quirks, and no, I bet a scrap gun that the devs will buff the combo shot so it's at least 300% on 4th shot

it's easy to make mistakes, just like when they set the drilling calculations

[twilit yoke]

ok i came back

just checked honor, this suggestion is made out of pure insanity

and i dont mean the quirk

why, pray tell, can a non-boss enemy get 85% of their max hp erased just because of 2 quirks?

you add a slightly bit more damage to that and you can finish the dream boss in under 4 seconds, considering resonant's change

the only thing I just slightly agree on is the laser change, but guess what? I think it's better if stat modifier quirks simply increase the limit, cuz actual dead quirks are stuff like rave, which doesn't increase maximum fire rate but only current one

[tawny frigate]

making honor more useful by this, decent change but not too powerful

[tawny frigate]

resonant's change should be op on DPS yes, but well it's BD so it won't stack with other additives so drilling doesn't get too much benefits of it

[tawny frigate]

not quite understand what's this means

[twilit yoke]

ever heard of champ + honor

I do it often

[tawny frigate]

rave can actually bypass the forge limit and well laser is unforgeable and I just give like giving it extremely good, it's more like a utility quirk

[tawny frigate]

why not blaster + honor instead

[twilit yoke]

cuz a scrap gun can never insta kill an enemy with blaster, however buffed champ and honor can apparently

this champ buff makes blaster look like a dead quirk

[twilit yoke]

show me proof (machine gun going over 15.4 fire rate)

since I tested it myself, and I pretty much didn't see it

[tawny frigate]

I have seen sniper in 4/s fr or 5/s

didn't seen mg tho

[twilit yoke]

that's disappointing then

[tawny frigate]

MG FR never changed at the start

so it will never bypass it

[twilit yoke]

that's why I'm suggesting that fix

shotguns can naturally have 2.5 fire rate or so and go over the 3.3 limit, but machine guns can't for some reason

[tawny frigate]

ah I get it what you meant, I thought champ was additives but it's percentage of the enemy, so that changes are actually additives

alright I have to change that then

[twilit yoke]

great

[tawny frigate]

alright done

slightly buff a little bit

[tawny frigate]

if champ is based on the enemy health percentage then I can't make like 50%, that's too op fr

[twilit yoke]

well congrats, you made so that every gun becomes op with 3 quirks instead of 2 (champ, blaster and honor)

[tawny frigate]

Blaster basically one shot everything doesn't matter at all unless it's elites enemy

[twilit yoke]

I think you're referring to one & done, and no, blaster doesn't quite oneshot everything, especially enemies way above your level (blank hollow enemies)

[tawny frigate]

I don't think you should use blaster in BH, blaster doesn't proc some specific elites, hollowed is one of them

[twilit yoke]

you mean doesn't proc on hollowed or doesn't proc hollowed, are you saying blaster can be triggered by multiple things

[tawny frigate]

doesn't proc on hollowed enemies

[twilit yoke]

sucks lmao

well blaster still doesn't oneshot, unless you're using drilling

[tawny frigate]

on shotty it does one shot