the kings idol without the claws in spirit glade is easy to obtain
#modding-discussion
viral silo
double jump and dash to enter from the platform
oh you didn't have the wings yet
nevermind then
then yeah it's probably guaranteed in the waterways
abstract dirge
double jump
also no i havent explored everything
i've just been to the areas
also holy shit zaliant thats crazy
abstract dirge
i've officially failed
this is the first time i had to install debug mod and cheat to proceed in randomizer
after trying to do the skip involving pogoing into a plant's explosion for ages only to find the fucking godtuner
abstract dirge
Is it just me or does rando 3 softlock you sometimes
i never had an issue with rando 2
keen venture
softlocks are very common in rando 2 and 3
fluid igloo
@abstract dirge your name is a bold statement
abstract dirge
153 is actually how many days until ori 2 releases
fluid igloo
whats your opinion on the June 12 release date "leak"
Ah yes I played Ori
Kind of a short game though isnt it
abstract dirge
its february 11
If you mean a SS leak then im fine with it
As long as its not close to ori 2 which would harm both games
vestal cradle
raw lichen
who is saleh
hexed whale
is it possible to softlock randomizer?
i got stuck so i looked in the spoiler logs, and i need dream nail for claws, and claws for dream nail
echo knoll
there are 2 dream nails
unborn pike
hello my great bros
i need to know one thing
or maybe more
did anyone add any intro to markoth? like radiance has?
and is it possible?
tall rain
just wants to find his crystal dash.
hexed whale
Thanks, turns out there was 1 location in the game I forgot about, and awakened dream nail was in it
abstract dirge
First 2 drops i found in this rando run was dashmaster and mothwing cloal
very cool
vestal cradle
cloal
abstract dirge
Is it possible to use flukenest without VS?
vestal cradle
what do you think
vestal cradle
so you spent 470 geo on nothing
vestal cradle
that makes more sense I guess
vestal cradle
nice
weak plinth
Grimmchild doesn't attack anything until it's been leveled up once
abstract dirge
it does
it attacked the mini baldurs
i guess its modded into rando
also bruh grimm legit carried me through mawlek
vestal cradle
viral silo
grimmchild is good because it gives access to 2 more items
a free one, and another after beating Grimm
spending 500 geo on it is a cheap price
viral silo
VS?
raw lichen
vengeful spirit
vestal cradle
broke: vs
woke: fireball
wokest: neutral right bumper
viral silo
: hadouken
weak plinth
abstract dirge
im in a streak of 4 rando runs with softlocks
i never had that even once in rando 2
echo knoll
i feel like you just dont know all of what's in logic
sharp raft
hollow knight multiplayer when
viral silo
or simply aren't aware of the paths you can take even if they don't seem obvious
signal quail
What I love about the randomizer mods is how it shows off how well put together the game is
Like, the game is still good even jumbled around like this, and things can make sense, and flow correctly
How many games, when taken apart and then rearranged back together, can say that?
wide ibex
most of them
because the mod will only make routes that make sense 🤔
thats nothing to do with the game thats to do with the mod
viral silo
not really, the base world already has enough starting points to allow such diversity of starting items
not every metroidvania can be navigated like that if you jumble the progression
river field
viral silo
the randomizer makes a really good job, don't get me wrong
signal quail
I haven't yet played Randomizer 3, but I really want to
viral silo
but the game is also good for that
river field
this really makes u think
wide ibex
pretty sure most randomizers are pretty diverse
if anything the hk one kinda sucks, cause its basically find claw+cdash the game
viral silo
idk about that
I haven't played enough randomizers to know how different it is
do you have suggestions?
wide ibex
for other games with good randos?
viral silo
yeah
wide ibex
pretty sure alttp has a very good one
weak plinth
yeah. other games have very layered progression blocks. HK does not
part of the problem with HK rando is that it's TOO open
wide ibex
you get claw and it unlocks like 70% of items LUL
exaggeration but it does basically let you get anywhere on the map 
weak plinth
it's not much of one
viral silo
is that really the case?
weak plinth
it's why pairing bingo with rando has the best effect
b/c then you're not just searching for 2 items
viral silo
I had the progression items be locked in a chain of progression
even with the claw early, I had to obtain specific items to obtain the other ones
viral silo
I see
weak plinth
but even if it does, if you know any skips, you don't need those intended progression items
viral silo
maybe it should? 
signal quail
The Room Randomizer is exactly what I wanted and I can't wait to get home to try it
viral silo
skips don't matter though
weak plinth
lel
viral silo
that's their point
weak plinth
you can skip so many items if you know what you're doing
signal quail
There's a specific button for that, right?
Progressive?
weak plinth
the only items required to beat the game are claw, CH/isma's, and dream nail
that's it
3 items total
viral silo
ok so, most of the zelda games have randos, any non LoZ games?
viral silo
it's a bit vague
weak plinth
what
viral silo
I asked if you knew good ones, because I don't know much about it
weak plinth
and like i said, just google it for games you like
do you like mario? google "mario 64 randomizer"
most games have randomizers now
cuz they're super popular
wide ibex
sotn has one
weak plinth
FF games have them even
viral silo
mhm I see
I guess the issue is mostly to find a game I like enough
except for HK, I don't see a game I really want to try out in rando
pokemon I tried and was fun
the rest i'm unsure about
LoZ can be worth a shot, depends on how it works
signal quail
What I really want is to be able to create my own metroidvania easily.
wide ibex
conveniently metroidvanias are mechanically very easy to program
its mainly spriting + game design thats effort
signal quail
Does anybody know of an easy program to create a metroidvania from?
vestal cradle
yeah just boot up the good ol “Metroidvania Maker 3000”
viral silo
I found a neat list of randomizers
signal quail
There should be a Metroidvania Creator
Or even just a Metroidvania Level Editor
I would kill for one of those in Hollow Knight, tbh
The one in Mini-Ghost is alright, but
There are no movement upgrades, so it's kinda hard to build the kind of map I want to
viral silo
from what I could see, LoZ and Mario randomizers seem interesting
Dark Souls ones as well
the others don't interest me much, or I just don't feel the need to replay the games
cunning forum
i mean, there is a hollow knight level editor. iirc it can’t add new rooms yet tho, unless that was added when i wasn’t paying attention
i was gonna wait for that before I made another mod but it’s been 10,000 years so maybe i should just do something regardless
it’d be nice if i at least fixed the softlocks people keep getting in ultrad. idk how easy it’ll be to work with the shitty code i haven’t looked at in a year tho
hexed whale
Anybody here know what the custom knight mod does? Sounds like a sprite changing mod but I don't notice anything different
vestal cradle
u c
hexed whale
dope, thank you sir
signal quail
Wait a second back it up here
Hollow.
Knight.
Level.
Editior.
PLEASE GIVE ME THE DEETS
abstract hornet
For future reference and properly crediting folks who all worked on the Translation Mod? I know 56 did but who else did stuff like provided translated text?
hexed grove
i got an idea for a boss that could possible be in modded content for hk
actually the more i think about it the more i realize it wouldn't realy fit in hk
dusk rivet
cool 
hexed grove
modest badger
lol
hexed grove
signal quail
Okay, nobody answered my question, tho
I don't know what the emoticons mean, also
DEV PIN? Is it in pinned messages?
YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE ME WITH "HOLLOW KNIGHT LEVEL EDITOR AND THEN EXPECT ME NOT TO FOLLOW UP ON IT!
vestal cradle
severe sandal
signal quail
@severe sandal don't just stand there, 56 Days Until SS Launch Man! Tell me what the emotes stand for?
DEV PIN! TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS!
severe sandal
I'm afraid you've miscalculated my nickname bruh
signal quail
I can't do math just tell me where the level editor is and I'll stop asking for it
I NEED IT MAN
I NEED MY LEVELS
signal quail
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS DO YOU SEE THE FIRST PART OF MY NAME I WILL BLOW UP THIS SERVER WITH CURSED CONTENT IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME THE DEETS
vestal cradle
do you have anything better to do than being extremely obnoxious
severe sandal
1st part of ur nickname is just "Cheshire" tho
signal quail
Oh right I forgot
Shoot
MY PLANS ARE FOILED AGAIN!
I'm sorry @vestal cradle, I don't know what to tell you, I'm feeling cursed today
I'll leave back to SS Discussion and never look at this channel again
vestal cradle
errant lance
Something something you hav to be above 13 to use discord
viral silo
well, if they weren't, it's a free ban
tender bluff
i know a mod that shoud become reality
beyblade warriors
watcher knights but every attack they do is the spin ones
viral silo
improved version is Markoth but he has 2 shields from the start and never stops sending nails
sharp magnet
oh no
raw lichen
royal dreamer already exists
alpine ether
o yea
i need to release that sometime
i am not gonna work on any other so might as well
viral silo
Unlimited Xero Works, he has 10 nails following him and the throws have no delay
alpine ether
that's like 0.1 seconds of effort
vestal cradle
don’t do that
viral silo
oh yes
Galien Pinball
The scythe now goes 3 times faster and bounces on the top of the room as well, the orbs are aiming
tall rain
Oh, I need to learn how to spike tunnel to get glowing womb...huzzah.
delicate igloo
Wait Hollow knight mods exist?
tall rain
There is a summary of the mods on the pinned messages.
tall rain
Is there a way to get to the Grimmkin Novice in Crystal Peak without Crystal Dash?
viral silo
depends where it is
tall rain
viral silo
have you tried pogo and dash? maybe d.jump?
I don't remember the exact distance, but there might be a possible way to aggro him
considering their behavior you might only need to draw its attention once and it'll follow you
tall rain
Ah, shoot across the abyss and see if he comes over...
Can not pogo on those large crystals and too far across for any shots to get attention.
viral silo
ye
viral silo
I see
then yeah it's not possible
though randomizer makes them instantly completed
is it not for rando?
tall rain
Yes, rando. You are saying that with two flames I can still do the next part of the Grimm quest?
viral silo
no
I mean that the first two steps are already complete when you pick up the charm
you only need to hunt down the nightmares, and it's not required since it's just to fight NKG
you can't actually fight novices
tall rain
Pick up which charm?
viral silo
grimmchild
tall rain
Okay, Because I still had the basic child and the novices to collect.
hexed whale
Is there a way to get into the birthplace after getting void heart in randomizer?
I had kingsoul, decided to do lifeblood room right before birthplace, and the lifeblood room gave me void heart, and I can't enter it now
viral silo
debug mode and change your void heart value
hexed whale
Both answers are valid points xD
didn't reequip void heart after it changed, and if doiong that doesnt work ill use debug
hexed whale
yeah im a dummy, i just had to equip void heart
thought it would stay on if i had kingsoul on so i didnt check
Big yeet, shade cloak was in there
steady elbow
Void Heart doesn't open Birthplace in vanilla, so you have to exit and reenter for the mod to take effect, if you warp into the room after checking LBC
viral silo
I see
viral silo
what a horrible run that was
connected area rooms rando, explored everything I could(which was a lot) with only isma's tear
I then finally got back and got the mantis claw... at its own place 
thought that would make the rest easy? Nada, reexplored everything and more, nothing else
but I found all three watchers and just killed the knight instead
yay, I guess? 
so I ended my rando run with only the claw and tear
didn't even get smaller progression items like tram pass or lantern
oof
sacred furnace
Does anyone here know how HK blurs the background objects? As far as I know, unity doesn't let you use DOV on sprites.
sacred furnace
Hmm. Unfortunate.
tall rain
sacred furnace
I've seen that before. Perhaps I should study it more closely.
hexed whale
hey orian, how long do your rando runs usually take? just curious because i just started doing them and was wanting a goal on how quick i should get at it, for me its ~7-11 hours in junkpit preset
cunning stratus
Room Randomizer is a great way to test your patience and skill. Who agrees?
viral silo
@hexed whale something like that yeah
I do tend to collect all the crap as well, so it tends to go towards 12-15 hours
@cunning stratus Yes, but it also rewards mapping skills
and you will really need them
signal quail
Where should I go to find videos of the Random Races?
I want to see what the Room Randomizer does and how you can customize it before I install the mod
viral silo
room randomizer does what it says
all entrances are randomized
progression works the same
but you'll need good mapping skills
I don't see a reason not to install it
hexed whale
room randomizer sounds fun, I think i might install it once im good at normal randomizer first though
viral silo
yeah
it has 4 modes
normal is fun but gets a bit boring when you're just following the template since you know where everything is, only a matter of getting there
random areas is pretty interesting and it keeps some structure, making it a challenge of figuring out the connections
connected area rooms is fine but not a fan, it's a mix between full on room rando and area rando
room rando is great and really forces you to map out the zones, also makes you really grind your gears to find the paths you can take
signal quail
So normal = just basic room layout
Random Areas = The Area transitions are different, but the rooms stay the same within those areas
Connected Area Rooms = (Idk what this would be)
Room Random = Anything goes, it doesn't make spacial sense, who knows where you'll end up
Am I getting this right?
weak plinth
Mostly
viral silo
it'll take each area and randomize all the different type of transition for each area separately, then leftover transitions are randomized for different areas
so you'll mostly end up in the same area, but you can get another area as well
so there's some rooms of an area you won't find in that bulk area
signal quail
Do you know where I could find any videos for the Randomized Rooms?
Particularly the Randomizer Races?
I would ask in that channel but I can't enter messages in there, for some reason.
viral silo
why for?
signal quail
I just want to watch some randomized room mod runs
And practice mapping the room layouts out before I go play it for myself
signal quail
Because I'm away from my computer where I play Hollow Knight but I still feel
the urge
to see the randomizer in action.
signal quail
Thank you
tough basin
This is me when I join the blasphemous discord and see all the HK modders in there
Is the game good?
I'm thinking about getting it
tough basin
Ok well guess I'm sold
vestal cradle
in all honestly the basic combat is kinda similar to hk because you can attack in 3 directions on the ground and apparently in the demo you could attack downwards twice but i don't know if you can do that in the full game
my biggest gripe with the game so far is probably the spikes
all spikes and pits in the game are instant death
and it's really dumb
tough basin
Sounds a bit harsh, especially if they are placed in dumb areas that you can't see the first time etc
vestal cradle
you can always see them (from what i've played)
but it is a really overly harsh punishment
although platforming isn't a huge part of this game like it is HK so
tough basin
You gotta strike that balance you don't wasn't the game to be too easy but yeah that does seem excessive. In a metroid type game too
keen venture
kein is in the discord therefore the game is bad
tough basin
Do you load at your last save or the last screen?
vestal cradle
your last save
keen venture
the man himself
tough basin
I still love his boss rush 
keen venture
it's ok though, you can join the discord anyways and react dmca to every message he sends
vestal cradle
i'll probably join the discord after i beat the game
keen venture
vestal cradle
i joined while fighting mantis lords for HK and got spoiled on a lot of stuff
tough basin
Lol the trolls are real
Ahh poor guy he doesn't deserve it I don't think. He just wanted his stuff taken down for some reason
cunning stratus
Either I'm good at Hollow Knight or the Hive Knight is easy af, because I'm not too bad at fighting it as my first boss (goddamn Rando 3)
cunning stratus
I am the master of sneaky healing
viral silo
I just love his sleek moves
cunning stratus
Not even his sleek moves can prevent me from healing a sneaky mask
viral silo
the secret is that he doesn't attack you when he has summoned the spike balls
so you can heal safely
cunning stratus
I even heal straight after attacks
stiff plover
I had trouble with Hive Knight when I first fought him, but I wasn't as far along in the game as I'd have liked.
He's easy now 
delicate igloo
What’s a good mod to try out for first timers?
naive fossil
literally just found out about Void Walker and rip really wanted to try the mod out so badly with Double Vessel
junior pelican
i drew a pin
junior pelican
i kind of intended it to be a bit like halberd/glaive. but im also trying to keep it looking like a sewing pin. those dont tend to have spikes n such coming off the tip
modest badger
thats neat dude
viral silo
what about a serrated pin?
rain lark
hey
uh
I haven't been here in a while I know that
but
I decided to check after leaving the server alone for a few months and... @foggy ore's modinstaller has been downloaded 23,000 times!!!
I didn't add any 0s in that either
also, I'm really impressed that after a year and 140,000 served files, we've had exactly 1 server (5xx) error.
Just uh.. holy crap. that's all I can really say. You guys are awesome. I love you all
foggy ore
pog
rain lark
it's been almost exactly a year and I'm happy to say publically I'll keep running the site for at least another 3 probably more but I did buy the domain for 3 years so I'm covered for at least that long.
here's to another year of modding. maybe silksong can come out idk
rain lark
(also my mods are way more popular than they have any right to be for how broken they are wtf internet what's wrong with you)
at least finally I can say infinite notches isn't the most popular thank god
also wow 295GB of data over a year that's insane
viral silo
UHKP is neat, but I'm unsure what it really does
rain lark
it fixes like 2 very minor bugs nobody will probably ever encounter
it was gonna do more but most of the bugs in this game were patched out of godmaster
viral silo
btw, who is maintaining Rando 3 and benchwork?
rain lark
iuajsdfiunqeioufoiwqnefiohn
wtf
what the actual fuck
y'all the best hollow knight player ever is just random person with 3 subscribers
omg
they did pale prince with 56's bindings mod without any damage either
dusk rivet
this is a thonk moment
modest badger
ok sir
modest badger
okbuddy
astral prawn
does the randomizer 2 randomize the items differently for every save file
idk if this is the right place to ask,,,
tall rain
Yeah, there is a seed for 2.
Ah...had to quit out after getting the 'crystal heart' ...as it was just geo.
viral silo
?
tall rain
I had no way of getting back out of the spot the crystal heart is usually in. At least that I could see.
viral silo
pretty sure you can at least get back to king's pass
if you never found another bench
karmic grail
Is room randomizer working
karmic grail
Which one xd
viral silo
wym
I was able to obtain everything and go through every room
no technical issues for progression or whatever
karmic grail
I tried randomizer 3 but it didnt randomize rooms
Maybe i just fucked something up myself
viral silo
you can change the mode
when starting the save
there's 4 different ones
tbh, I prefer either item or room rando
the others are nice but too in between
viral silo
oh, and map out the layout
karmic grail
Room rando or connected area room rando
viral silo
room is better
karmic grail
Not sure what the difference is but aye
viral silo
the difference is that connected area is like room rando, but not really and it'll have most of an area's rooms jumbled together
but it's not fully linked since there's uneven transitions
tbh, my room rando was a blast
and it ended really neatly with my last room being the final room of the path of pain
after doing everything, that made the perfect closure
I can now wait for SS patiently
vast pilot
Has someone ever made a mod that gives any bugs an owo face
i'm uh
asking for a friend
vestal cradle
no
hexed grove
OKI OKI OKI OKI so i had a wonderful idea and im gonna share it so to the left of the mask maker room there will be a hidden room that can only be accessed if you dream nail the wall with the awakened dream nail from that point onward it will show the dream symbol thing that you get when you kill dream warriors and stuff if you dream nail it your screen will start to go purple and just before it covers your whole screen the mask maker tells you not to do that if you check your inventory now you will see a small purple dot in the area were you see the dream essence collection and if you get any more dream essence it will appear a darker shade then before anyways now.Then after you do this you need to go in the area inbetween the tram that goes from deepnest to aceint basin there would be a small purple beam like the black ones you need the shade cloak to get through it, before it would knock you back like hte black ones but after you do the thing with the mask maker you can go through it in there will be a boss the boss will be a giant mask on a big black body that looks almost like an orb it would act like marmu bouncing around never letting its mask touch the ground ceiling or walls you can only attack the mask in this fight this boss would also spin not that fast but still it would spin always spinning its mask away form the ground ceiling and walls after you beat it (it would have about 750 health) after that go back to the mask maker and he will be facing the other way this time if you look close enough you will see a little bit of what looks like void then another thing that looks like some sort of dream essence but its purple you can go to the left and dream nail the purple dot will get bigger there will be another boss like the first one a black void body with a mask kill it and it will allow access to a new area called "the testing grounds"the rest i dont really have time for the whole area
the back story behind the purple dream essence is
its a type of dream essence that allows you to bring things back the dead will only there memories are still there
they will be forced to be in a void body
with a mask
most of the ones you find in the game will be kin of the mask maker
brave torrent
viral silo
that looks like an unhinged fanfiction
modest badger
What the fuck dude
fleet sand
wdym
modest badger
@hexed grove stop stealing my moth story ideas smh
fleet sand
Ngl I can’t tell if you’re memeing or for real
hexed grove
you saw nothing
signal quail
I just think it's rather unrealistic for your first mod...
viral silo
can those even be done?
There's a pretty big lack of 'content' mods, so it leaves to believe there's limitations
signal quail
Yeah
Can we have more content mods for the game?
Because if so, we should really be trying to collaborate to create a mod that's like the "Daughters of Ash" mod
wide ibex
what 1 programmer can do in 1 month, 2 programmers can do in 2 months
signal quail
Huh?
How does that logic figure?
dusk rivet
wide ibex
its a programming joke
for small projects adding more programmers just adds more time getting them working together rather than implementing features
its only really art you can throw manpower at
signal quail
Anyways, it still stands that there should be a "Daughters of Ash" style mod for Hollow Knight
dusk rivet
Then make it
signal quail
I can't
My computer doesn't know how to run unity correctly and I don't know how to make mods in general
wide ibex
modding a boss takes like a week minimum to do
signal quail
Do you have any tutorials for me to check out so that I can try and do this?
brittle egret
you dont really need unity to make mods (but it does help when youre trying to do stuff like testing new gameobjects and such) also it really depends on what daughter of ash even does
signal quail
Daughter of Ash basically changes the game, pretty much
Adds new bonfires (read: benches for Hollow Knight)
Rearanges Enemy Spawn Points
Rearranges the order you go to places
Stuff like that
signal quail
It's not randomizer
It's the same experience every time
It's just different from the base game
brittle egret
well its gonna be a bit "hard" in the sense that, theres currently no existing mods that does stuff like add benches so references about those is gonna be scarce, at most its probably a scene thing which nes' level editor might come in handy, however afaik hes not done with it yet
signal quail
Oh, okay
I'll await with bated breath, then
And start designing my adventure in the meantime.
hollow cloak
The was a bug in my library I had to hunt down before I could continue working on the editor, which I just fixed yesterday
vast prairie
yay
modest badger
level editor real shit
rain junco
is there a mod for more save slots
severe sandal
📌
tall rain
Yes there is.
untold roost
how do i get the mod installer
vast prairie
modest badger
did jngo blocked me for saying godot is bad
wary quail
Howdy! I've been playing a bit of Rando 3.0 aaaaaand loving it. I noticed there's a "spoiler log" setting. Anyone know what that is? Also, anyone having the hardest time making a 2D map in room rando and the rooms overlap with eachother 😭
viral silo
my rando maps were scattered on 3 sheets of paper, with focal points using the benches
and yes, it's awesome
spoiler log, you shouldn't look at it
it tells what things are
rocky jewel
hello dear modders, us from hk discussion were wondering if there is a mod that increases the number of watcher knights
raw lichen
no, there is not
wary quail
I'd love to be good enough to not but I've made no progress in 4 hours, which is outweighing the fun for me. Anyone know where the logs are at?
rocky jewel
thanks for the quick response!
fathom wigeonBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
wary quail
Thank you!
I'm tying an item rando, but so far I only have Dive and Long Nail. Any idea how im supposed to beat an Elder Baldur?
weak plinth
dive
wary quail
But he's curled up when I dive. Or is the splash radius bigger than im giving it credit for?
weak plinth
wary quail
Ty
weak plinth
well since one guards the entrance to greenpath....
and 2 items besides that
kinda important to know how to get past them
wary quail
I have.
weak plinth
yeah, why would you ever want to get into greenpath and fungal
just dick about in crossroads
progressing isn't needed
dry snow
in my opinion not letting pirated people use the mod manager is a meh idea
someone will reverse engineer it anyway lol
viral silo
why would it be a good idea?
weak plinth
pirate
viral silo
there's a part of respect to the devs by doing that
weak plinth
or you could just spend 10 bucks and support the indie devs that made the game
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wow, it's actually not on sale right now?
dusk rivet
weak plinth
I think this is the first time I've not seen HK on sale for $10
but still, $15
for a game that's easily >40 hrs of gameplay
and GOOD gameplay
you hardly get that with AAA titles that sell for $60
viral silo
I have 286 hours on this game
dry snow
I can't buy it tho
dusk rivet
viral silo
you might have reasons, but that doesn't mean you should steal instead
dry snow
piracy isnt stealing
you dont really "steal" anything
dull grove
@dry snow
dusk rivet
dry snow
dry snow
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gloomy parcel
sigh
autumn meadow
It's just plain rude
hybrid dust
what are some of the best mods
i see way too many and don't even know what most of them do
what do you recommend?
weak plinth
?mods
fathom wigeonBOT
Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM
vale sand
Read the summary doc
viral silo
@hybrid dust rando 3
signal isle
little locust
Hmp
subtle rose
Hollow BLJ
Hollow BLJ
dawn dust
Lightbringer and Bonfire work together?
scarlet girder
is it possible to not get some items in a randomizer run? I cant find my shade dash and the only places where I havent looked, are the places behind those shade 'gates' and aaaaaaaaaaaah its driving me crazy
weak plinth
No
scarlet girder
okay yeah i’ll just continue searching, thanks for the help
pale sparrow
How to get mods working on a mac?
steady elbow
Is the updated tracker on the modinstaller? I couldn't remember
Oh, it just didn't work on firefox for some reason :/
karmic grail
Apparently this is a thing?
oak jetty
@karmic grail the official simplified chinese co-exists pretty well w/ modinstaller
@karmic grail but there is also a fanmade traditional chinese mod
https://www.codebay.in/2017/06/hollowknight-cht-mod.html
if one installs the TC mod first then adds some mods with modinstaller, the interface reverts back to english(or any other language in the vanilla game settings)
(official SC)
(TC mod with some other mods installed w/ modinstaller, note the font change)
karmic grail
So they just need to switch their language back in the game settings?
leaden falcon
so uh i was wondering if anyone has tried to make a multiplayer mod
uneven steeple
uhhhh no
Seriously though, that's not even remotely possible, just because of game structure
well
actually
...there is one I think?
where one player controls the dreamshield
@leaden falcon
leaden falcon
that actually sounds kinda interesting that dreamshield thing
idk i had a discussion about the possibility with one of my friends and we thought it would be an interesting concept
leaden falcon
damn if that could be expanded that would be pretty cool
oak jetty
@karmic grail I guess the fanmade TC mod overrides? the game with the TC translation and new font(s)
and it's impossible to switch and play in those vanilla game's languages (eng/jp/sc etc) during that session
the ModdingAPI/ModCommon thing turns off the TC override making the vanilla set of languages available again, but the new fonts are still there
Not the mod creator so don't quote me on that
(imo its better to ask the original mod creator (nick.exe) if you're really interested)
(manually disabled all installed mods but not reverted back to unmodded)
dry snow
Day "Idk anymore":
My game is still pirated because i cant buy it lmao
vestal cradle
very interesting
dry snow
what
vast prairie
hmm
raw lichen
there isn't one for lost kin BUT
Lost Lord mod does replace lost kin's sprites (I think) so you can use that
@random wraith can correct me on this (too lazy to check)
random wraith
yes
raw lichen
there you go @vast pilot
raw lichen
all you have to do is replace the image lost lord uses and compile it to get the dll
vast pilot
I don't have access to any of that
high topaz
Does anybody here know how to download the poorly translated mod? The people in modding-help have no idea.
vestal cradle
weak plinth
@foggy ore ^
vast pilot
I just want Broken Vessel to have an owo face is that too much to ask
viral silo
vast pilot
why must this world torcher me ever so
gloomy parcel
i mean you can make it yourself
raw lichen
@vast pilot
Edit this
https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord
foggy ore
isn't the translation mod in the installer?
abstract hornet
It is not.
I only have a copy as you or someone else posted the .dll in the modding channel when you folks finished.
uneven steeple
Lol?
copper gyro
hmmm
cunning forum
tall rain
Trying to remember where I have collected all my skills/charms from near the end of a random run is becoming an issue.
viral silo
it's the awoken dream nail
viral silo
oh? Guess it's shown as the dream nail I guess. But I know the dream nail/awoken both count as dream nail so that you can get both without order, second one upgrading as awoken
it's the same for spells and void charm king soul
uneven steeple
Ohhhhhh LASFJASLKJF LCNV:SLEJK:SLVNSEOIFJAFJLK
...I think
I'm going to have to beat some Dream bosses with the Old Nail
viral silo
do you have descending dark in the dream shop?
uneven steeple
yup
uneven steeple
and I don't yet have the Mantis Claws either
or the dash
sooooooo
that emoji is fantastic lol
viral silo
ye
uneven steeple
I skipped from Salubra to the Blue Lake with a shade skip + double jump
This is my first non-vanilla run lol
I had to shade skip to the Monarch Wings in the first place (it was where the Baldur Shell normally is)
So I need 577 essence for Descending Dark. ...pretty sure that's gonna require Failed Champion???
:blobsweat:
sad
also, an amusing note- I have the Dash Slash but not the Mothwing Cloak
XD
viral silo
oof
viral silo
lol
uneven steeple
I'm not screwedddddd!!!!!
tall rain
Gah, the charm I had not gotten was from Sly under his shop.
uneven steeple
lol?
do tell?
Also, a PSA: Fighting Soul Master without a dash is a wee bit painful
tall rain
Well, it was better than just having to go back through every possible spot. I was just checking if I had bought everything.
But now I have hornet saying I still need to beat things before letting me into the egg.
tall rain
Yeah, random. ANd yes, all dreamers.
dry snow
after all these years..
i finally got the game
and oh hey even my pirated save works
so thats nice
here we go
vast prairie
I mean
I pirated it to try it out
played a few hours
then went and bought it
'cause stuff from outside the country here is stupidly expensive by local standards and AAA games cost 120 bucks
empty badger
uneven steeple
Ah, I see. And Hollow Knight is such a fantastic game that anybody who does support the devs (who, by the way, are a 3-man team) should go to hell XD
dry snow
so i installed the enemy randomizer mod and clicked
"load enemy randomizer" and then the entire game started
glitching and lagging out insanely
any fix?
cunning stratus
Any mod reccomendations?
dry snow
for whatever reason when im using the enemy randomizer it doesnt just randomize the enemies but it seems to randomize the rooms also
even tho i disabled chaos mode and room mode in the settings
so what the f u c c
dry snow
but
is there some sort of alternative to it
cuz the randomizer mod can only randomize items and room order
dry snow
i think this bug is happening cuz i got the development version instead of the stable one
unused?
viral silo
dry snow
i spawned in here and it seems to just be a huge black room
viral silo
seems like it bugged out
dry snow
0.14a of the enemy rando is fucking broken but it does randomize enemiss
0.13b or below doesnt randomize anything
F in the chat for enemy randomizer mod
after all these years..
so if i play with the item randomizer + enemy randomizer + bad translation mod
i can get the TRUE random experience
viral silo
cunning stratus
Oh
dry snow
for some reason the hollow knight is still well
hollow knight
In some videos i saw that he could actually transform into different bosses
bug or do i have to enable chaos mode
tall rain
Room randomizer: Walk into room, it tells me the collector is there, and it kicks me out, and my sprite is stuck in falling.
cunning stratus
Does anyone know how to acquire the Poorly Translated mod?
cunning stratus
Thanks
dry snow
does anyone know a mod that allows you to directly warp to any scene in the entire game's files
i wanna fight the radiance without messing with flags n shit
cunning stratus
Not sure. Which randomizer mod are you using? Are you using Randomizer 3? I just need clarification.
viral silo
you can easily fight radiance normally with rando
not sure what or why you're asking that
cunning stratus
I wasn't talking about the Radiance thing. Denchick is doing a randomizer run.
viral silo
I know? I was talking to denchick
cunning stratus
Oh.
dry snow
the randomizer 3 mod can only either do a run with randomized items or room order
to have randomized enemies you need a second mod @cunning stratus
cunning stratus
Thanks
valid tree
Hello, I have a question about Randomizer 3
I'm doing my first run of it, and I'm using the Helper log
Even though I've set all skips to False, I find that there are a bunch of items listed as reachable that require either the Mantis Claw or that I perform a skip by bouncing of an airborne enemy
(I have Cloak and Wings, but no Claw)
So, is bouncing on enemies not excluded when Mild Skips is set to False?
valid tree
groooan
viral silo
you can just ask the area and I can tell you if it's normal or not
valid tree
Most goodies right now are in Soul Sanctum which I will have to access from below somehow
viral silo
ah yeah
going up through city of souls
I took that road once, it's a normal path, even if it feels a bit hard
they even added an item to pogo on to progress near the end
(my claws were behind the elegant door)
valid tree
Ok
I think I can pogo off a Lance Sentry in ruins1_05c to get to the top transition but he's pretty hard to manipulate
viral silo
that's the correct path
good luck
I learned to hold off on nail upgrades when doing rando
they become downgrades when you end up having to do precise pogo passages on enemies
viral silo
if you can post pics
valid tree
This place.
To the right is the one-way bridge (still locked) to the Watcher's Tower
viral silo
that's exactly it
valid tree
and beyond that ledge to the left is the elevator that leads to Soul Sanctum
valid tree
Is there any comprehensive documentation available for these mods anyway
viral silo
check pins
else idk much besides game files
there's a lot of info though, so that might be enough
valid tree
I mostly wondered about mild skips and spicy skips
viral silo
ah
no idea what those are
but a quick check on the history log from here seems to show spicy skips are near impossible and kindof a meme
valid tree
Human TAS
viral silo
?
valid tree
Spicy means basically TAS-only I assume
viral silo
what is TAS
valid tree
Tool Assisted Speedrun
viral silo
it doesn't
weak plinth
mild vs spicy is just the level of difficulty or thought required to figure out the skips
spicy skips are still well within the realm of standard speedrun tech
viral silo
guess the post I read were for a previous version
viral silo
or they were just memeing
viral silo
weak plinth
b/c it just confused people
rando got too big for that option to just be an inside joke
viral silo
I wonder what kind of skips are possible to do besides pogo stuff
I know you can use the shade for places without enemies
but how do other kind of skips work
weak plinth
depends on what it is
like.... even the shade skip at salubra can be done like 4 different ways with varying level of items
valid tree
Well, I made it! Thanks bunches
just got the Mantis Claw too, in the Black Egg of all places
weak plinth
viral silo
tbh I kinda want to make a simple mod for rando at some point
valid tree
btw anyone else annoyed when they get one of the watchers from the Fury of the Fallen chest
viral silo
it's funnier to get dash slash
valid tree
Happened to me several times 😐
weak plinth
so you didn't randomize geo chests then
valid tree
huh
weak plinth
there's an option that makes that fury chest always a random geo drop
weak plinth
which I believe also randomizes all geo chesets into the pool too
valid tree
The early geo one? It just gives you 300 right away, I'm using Randomizer 3
viral silo
do you mean the junk pit mode?
weak plinth
yes
viral silo
that doesn't actually touch the fury chest
it's a guaranteed 'major' item
all the other ones are free roll
weak plinth
it used to be only room rando gave you a progression item
valid tree
I'm doing Easy/Completionist
viral silo
I think it was changed then yeah
I really recommend doing junk pit though, because that's the only way to really randomize 
weak plinth
searching all relic and egg locations can be pretty annoying
viral silo
nothing actually on gameplay(maybe besides locking the final fight), but I want to make a sort of randomizer objectives mod, acting as a checklist of objectives to do before being able to fight the final boss
weak plinth
so Bingo
viral silo
similar
but it's just some lazy way to do it in game
mods are made to be convenient though, so whatever
valid tree
I wish you could choose to randomize everything except the major items
for a vanilla-like run
valid tree
well it'd be fun to go through the game with different charms and such
viral silo
ah, charms are major in a way though
but I think you actually can?
you've got all those tabs to config what gets randomized
valid tree
No, the main items parameter can't be set to false =<
weak plinth
that's being added by another person already
so it'll probably be pulled into the main branch soon-ish
valid tree
Is there a list of all items and transitions and all the item combinations and skip parameters required to reach them, btw?
weak plinth
yeah, in the code
valid tree
is it legible
weak plinth
if you can read code
sure
yeah, there's already a pull request for it
so it just needs to be pulled in, rebuilt, and then distributed
viral silo
talking about the custom preset?
weak plinth
yes
viral silo
mhm
weak plinth
the coding has been done for it though
viral silo
let's say there was this sort of objectives list done, would it be the kind of thing rando could use directly, or would it need to be separate?
weak plinth
Anything is possible
viral silo
I see
well, I 'll keep that in mind
that's probably the only idea I have for a HK mod for now
weak plinth
rando already forces you to have certain items to get into black egg on certain settings
like all skills and all bosses
tracking what you have is easy enough
the game already stores that in memory
viral silo
mostly UI work
weak plinth
mostly
and logic gates. and logic pulls
basically what the bingo board mostly does already
except the logic gates
valid tree
I'd add a guaranteed Gathering Swarm at Sly option =_=;
viral silo
like instead of a bingo, it's tiers of objectives, with different difficulties, and a number of each difficulty tiers gets rolled for each run
geo are not scarce at all
trust me you don't need it
weak plinth
so a simplified bingo
viral silo
in a way, yeah
weak plinth
tiers were already identified for when the bingo was made
and a lot of objectives were cut because they were too easy or took too long
weak plinth
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w4_ZAxrVHWEOLoyCdwBLgyjEBN4NaThxwY7t6ip4774/edit?usp=sharing
dunno if this will be helpful or not, but it's what we were working with back then
just in case
viral silo
👌 thanks, I'll make a bookmark and see what's in there for future reference
dry snow
so is the modding community dead
like i didnt see any NEW mods in a while
are there any interesting mods in development rn
viral silo
it's far from dead
dry snow
yeah but how about my other question
viral silo
I haven't been around enough to know
weak plinth
Nes is still working on his room editor mod. And rando 3 just got an update like a few days ago
Otherwise it's mostly dead. People waiting for SS
weak plinth
it was to add the "cursed" difficulty mode
plus Multiworld was also created recently
viral silo
multiworld? 
weak plinth
yes
where multiple people play randomizer together
and all items are scattered across all games
viral silo
wait...
is that some sort of coop?
Like, every player are on their map, but all items for both maps are scrambled, and gathering one gives them to the corresponding player?
or if you have a link to the post describing it
weak plinth
you described it right
viral silo
neat, that's an interesting concept
weak plinth
I forget how many players this version supports
but it's definitely more than just 2
viral silo
mhm, that opens a pretty wide progression range
does it work currently? or still being patched up
viral silo
nice
stone crag
---------completely new in here. - is there a central mod repo?
weak plinth
?i
fathom wigeonBOT
Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.
stone crag
thanks
tacit helm
i installed a bunch of mods and one of them is making it so that everything oneshots me
what mod is this so i can disable it?
viral silo
idk, read the descriptions?
valid tree
Glass Soul?
signal quail
What does the cursed difficulty do in Randomizer 3?
steady elbow
Should make the modinstaller so that you have to click through readme to install/update mods
I can understand for shitty mods like custom knight that don't have readmes, but real mods should be different
velvet pelican
?i
fathom wigeonBOT
Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.
velvet pelican
that's the mod installer right?
If there a mod or some way to get a fully completed file?
i've already beat the game on switch
abstract dirge
Are there any mods for MMC?
gloomy parcel
smh
gloomy parcel
get someone competent to do it
shadow turtle
Oh i cant wait to play the randomizer, currently on my way to get a steam giftcard
tall rain
Dropped into the hive, the small bees had become the large bees...and the large bee had become a volt twister.
shadow turtle
so excited bit igh
Will do an ultimate randomizer i think
shadow turtle
now onto downloading 7gb
and yea i know xD
so excited
also, where to talk for general randomizer stuff? like experiences?
viral silo
??
shadow turtle
yea
obtuse patrol
#hk-discussion is the channel for that pretty sure
viral silo
but this is for mods
stone spindle
Can i have the mod download thingy please?
viral silo
pins
stone spindle
k
novel pelican
does anyone have anything for custom knight?
raw lichen
pins
mint orchid
