hk-general

[raw chasm]

radhog is a SLOG

[covert hill]

lemme check what the percent is

i have 102

[raw chasm]

yeah

[covert hill]

on my main save

so im pretty close

[raw chasm]

what do you have left? Flower quest and some charms?

[covert hill]

need to beat nkg and a couple charms and then flower

[raw chasm]

ah

[covert hill]

think thats all

[raw chasm]

you could also banish if you want

[covert hill]

too late sadly

[raw chasm]

ah

[covert hill]

wouldve but left the room too early lol

[raw chasm]

nkg is fun anyways

[covert hill]

like when the banishment was happening

carefree melody would be nice

[raw chasm]

although maybe I'm a little biased cuz I beat him in... 6 attempts

[covert hill]

wish i could have it instead of grimmchild for godseeker

[covert hill]

nah hes fun

i havent beat him but normal grimm was good so its just harder grimm

[raw chasm]

-# and then I beat pv in 3 attempts

[covert hill]

i think you may be slightly good

well i did pretty well against pv

[raw chasm]

I just knew the bosses ahead of time

[covert hill]

same lol

[raw chasm]

Had seen them a couple times

Knew what to expect mostly

[covert hill]

i beat ascended and radiant pv in the same hour so

[raw chasm]

Damn

[covert hill]

id say i did well

[raw chasm]

Radiant took me like an hour and a half including time spent on discord and messing with yt music

[covert hill]

but im currently on the harder boss that is radiant gruz mother

[raw chasm]

real?

[covert hill]

gruz mother is very hard

here was beating ascended

then rad

[raw chasm]

I think my hardest radiant is PV or for some people marmu

[covert hill]

marmu would be easy enough i think

just annoying

[raw chasm]

Some people complain a lot about rad marmu

[covert hill]

ive heard a lot about rad markoth

[raw chasm]

Too "random" for them ig

[covert hill]

fair

[raw chasm]

Oh that one is deserved

I think

[covert hill]

hes the only one i dont have ascended that isnt a secondary boss yet

twas hard

[raw chasm]

Oh nice

I have like
Not that many bosses done in hog

[covert hill]

i just want to see a full shiny thing when i open the boss menu thing

[raw chasm]

Been trying p1ab and failing
And also just not really playing HK recently
More Celeste

[covert hill]

fair

why does gruz mother be so hard

[raw chasm]

Loopy Lagoon silver took me an hour and 20 minutes I'm so cooked for sj beginner rainbow 😭

[covert hill]

it is literally a fly

[covert hill]

rip

[raw chasm]

Smol arena with spikes

[covert hill]

the spikes just make it impossible

js infuriating

maybe i should use d dark instead of abyss shriek

okay thats working better

yeah js did it

d dark is the answer

vengefly king now

is there a rad hog achievement?

[raw chasm]

Nicee

[raw chasm]

Nope

[covert hill]

dang it

what are the hidden achievements then

[raw chasm]

P5 was hard enough

[raw chasm]

Uhhhhhhhhh

[covert hill]

i have like 9 left

[raw chasm]

Stuff like mr mushroom, banishment

[covert hill]

ah okay

i guess like

maybe all grey prince zote levels maybe

and the two p5 endings?

[keen yarrow]

only 1 achievement for that

[covert hill]

ah okay

[keen yarrow]

no achievement

[covert hill]

hmm'

wonder how there'd be 9

[keen yarrow]

I'm unsure if the grimm troupe achievements are hidden

banishing / completing ritual feels like it should be hidden

[covert hill]

yeah so thatd be 2

[raw chasm]

They are

[raw chasm]

are there 9 hidden ones?

[covert hill]

oh the dream bosses

[raw chasm]

Or just 9 total

[covert hill]

9 left for me

salubras blessisng too is prob hidden

[keen yarrow]

surely the endings are also hidden

so that's 4

[covert hill]

yeah they are

ive got 3 of those

[raw chasm]

Oh yeah do you have like
White Defender
Sealed Siblings ending
Kill nailsmith/not kill him

[covert hill]

i havent done nailsmith actually

have white defender and sealed siblings tho

i think ill go thorugh and fight the dream bosses i havent done yet

[raw chasm]

both killing him and letting him go get with sheo are achievements

[covert hill]

alright

[raw chasm]

Also 2400 essence

[covert hill]

yeah that prob makes 9

[raw chasm]

And both flower quest and all mask shards so that's another 2 right

And all charms

[keen yarrow]

some gentle soul on reddit made a list of them

The Secret Achievements

Strength-Defeat Failed Champion

Proof of Resolve-Defeat Hornet at Kingdom's Edge

Mortality-Defeat Soul Tyrant

Peace-Defeat Lost Kin

Obsession-Defeat Collector

Rivalry-Defeat Zote in the Colosseum of Fools

Purity-Kill Nailsmith with the Pure Nail

Happy Couple-Let the Nailsmith to find a new hobby

Witness-Spend a (final) moment with Quirrel at blue lake

The Hollow Knight- Defeat the Hollow Knight and become the new vessel

Sealed Siblings-Defeat the Hollow Knight with Hornet by your side

Dream No More-Defeat Radiance and consume the light

Void-Remember the past and reunite with the abyss

Passing of the Age-Find Mr.Mushroom in all of his hiding spots

Memory-Defeat White Defender

Dark Romance-Defeat Grey Prince Zote

Grand Performance-Defeat Troupe Master Grimm

Ritual-Defeat Nightmare King and complete the Ritual

Banishment-Banish the grimm troupe from Hollow Knight

Brotherhood-Complete Pantheon of the Master

Inspiration-Complete Pantheon of the Artist

Focus-Complete Pantheon of the Sage

Soul and Shade-Complete Pantheon of the Knight

Embrace the Void-Ascend Pantheon of Hallownest and take your place at its peak

Holy shit

sorry

[raw chasm]

Thank you Oswald

[keen yarrow]

3 grimm troupe missions

[covert hill]

okay so banishment, embrace the void, ritual, passing of the age, witness, happy couple, purity, mortality and strength

dont have those

yup thats 9

[raw chasm]

Wait have you done p4 yet
For some reason I thought you did cuz you were talking about p5 I guess

[covert hill]

yeah i have

[raw chasm]

but you haven't beaten Soul Tyrant or Failed Champ?????

[covert hill]

nope

[raw chasm]

They're not required for it???

[covert hill]

you dont actually need to beat them

nah

[raw chasm]

lmaooo

[covert hill]

i was surprised too when i saw i had access to p4

[raw chasm]

that's so dumb

[covert hill]

yeah

maybe you just need like at least 1 dream boss

so it doesnt spoil the fact they exist

still tho

[raw chasm]

maybe

idk seems weird

[covert hill]

yeah it does

[raw chasm]

p4 was very funny because p3 took me a while of practice to actually beat (and then I beat sly first try I was very surprised) and then p4 took me two attempts one to get to pv and one after I beat asc pv in hog

[covert hill]

oh dang

you're kinda good at the game ngl

[raw chasm]

Apparently

I used to suck ass at the game
Hornet 2 took me like 2 hours before I got some upgrades (2 nail upgrades and every upgraded spell) and still took another half hour to beat her

[covert hill]

ah okay

i guess just had a big skill increase

at some point

[raw chasm]

pantheons made me decent fr

I remember radiance took ages to beat as well

And then I eventually beat her on my steam deck in a coffee shop during the pride parade 😭

[covert hill]

radiance wasnt too bad for me i dont think

lmao

[raw chasm]

radiance was my greatest achievement in gaming until fw fc in celeste

[covert hill]

whats fw fc?

[raw chasm]

farewell full clear

so

[covert hill]

oh nice

[raw chasm]

farewell + moon berry

[covert hill]

sounds hard

[raw chasm]

it's the hardest level in the basegame

[covert hill]

nice

[raw chasm]

I've done harder but nothing else has taken 17 hours like farewell did

[covert hill]

17 damnn

[raw chasm]

yeah

I only have 170 hours in Celeste still a rookie fr

[covert hill]

fr

i wanna try celeste one day

[fiery vigil]

Same

[raw chasm]

Celeste is peak y'all should give it a go

[fiery vigil]

Ive it on wishlist

[raw chasm]

Goes on sale for 5 usd every so often

[covert hill]

what even is failed champion bru this too fast

oh nice ill look at it when that happens

[raw chasm]

Didn't you beat p4 😭

[covert hill]

yeah but like

this hard

never practiced him got lucky or something

[raw chasm]

You only have to get him to stagger then he's easy

Infinite soul

[covert hill]

right but uh

8 damage

i guess its time for fotf

[raw chasm]

Since you can reset the timer before he stands up by literally smacking his ass lmaoo

[covert hill]

doesnt he have too much health

it wasnt working for me

or is it with like abyss shriek and shaman

[raw chasm]

if you get double hits with shade soul (pretty easy) it works or at least gets him close to the next stagger

[covert hill]

with shaman im guessing

[raw chasm]

yeah

[covert hill]

my nail build 😔

i have to leave it

[raw chasm]

strength qslash shamans is staple

[covert hill]

wait does he stagger forever

can i just heal back to full

and get full soul

nope oh no

[raw chasm]

if you use a certain trick yes!

[covert hill]

well cause you gotta hit

is it 2 dream nail per hit

so you could get like 5 total

or 4

[raw chasm]

wdym

[smoky veldt]

failed champion is the hardest main game boss tbh

like no dlcs

[raw chasm]

you can get infinite dreamnails/heals off if you just smack his armor occasionally

[covert hill]

dn, dn, normal n, dn, dn

oh armour

so i dont actually have to hit the guy

[raw chasm]

yeah if you hit the head it doesn't work

[covert hill]

ah okay

[covert hill]

yea this is painful

[smoky veldt]

watcher Knights is a close second

[raw chasm]

then after you're full do hit the head because iirc he won't tantrum and go next phase if you dont

[smoky veldt]

and radiance is third

[covert hill]

alr

[raw chasm]

radiance was hardest followed by lost kin and then hornet 2 for me first time

[covert hill]

hes so fast and hard to dodge tho dang it

[smoky veldt]

lost kin was the easiest dream boss for me

[covert hill]

lost kin was pretty easy for me tbh like i see people taking 50 attempts and i had like 7

prob my fav boss too

[raw chasm]

I was so bad at lk 😭

[smoky veldt]

although i did get ddark before it so

[raw chasm]

they're really fun now that im pretty good at them

[covert hill]

yeah

wish there was more health and faster tho

thatd be so fun

i need a harder lost kin

[raw chasm]

I got second best nail and upgraded spells for hornet 2 and still took half an hour on her 😭 after spending 2 hours with bad gear too 😭

[teal helm]

I was stuck on Broken for like 2 days and beat it to explore more. When I went back, I dream nailed it and immediately died in 15 seconds

[smoky veldt]

what would be the correct pronouns for a vessel

[smoky veldt]

it/its or they/them

[raw chasm]

it probably but bretta uses they for the knight

[covert hill]

rip

[smoky veldt]

yeah but the white lady uses it

[covert hill]

id say they

[raw chasm]

mhm

[covert hill]

well

[smoky veldt]

atleast before the knight becomes the embodiment of void

[covert hill]

if im writing out lore

then its an it

[smoky veldt]

so maybe that gave it a will?

[raw chasm]

bretta doesn't actually know what tk is anyways so

[covert hill]

well it had some will and consciousness

[smoky veldt]

and a will determines it or they

a will/consciousness

[raw chasm]

nope tk is a true perfect vessel iirc

[smoky veldt]

atleast before getting the voidheart

[raw chasm]

oh yeah

[covert hill]

i saw somethin about it not being one tho

because

[raw chasm]

voidheart is silly

[smoky veldt]

i beleive the implication was the voidheart gave the knight a will (which makes the true ending and embrace the void ending more meaningful)

[covert hill]

the white lady says somethin with the kingsoul about visiting the birthplace if its curiousity wills it

and so

the knight went

out of curiousity

wasnt an order

[smoky veldt]

that could be seen as an instruction tbf

[covert hill]

as the white lady ordered tk to absorb thk tho

as an actual order

and the voidheart is more of a suggestion

[raw chasm]

oh yeah this is from the white lady conspiracy video
the ccmaci one
right

[covert hill]

yeah i think so

i mean conspiracy videos

are conspiracies

but it makes sense to me

so

thats what i go by

[smoky veldt]

yeah

good video tbf

[raw chasm]

ccmaci makes good videos

[covert hill]

real

i need to watch more

[smoky veldt]

i dont think curiousity = consciousness tbf

[covert hill]

hk lore is great

[covert hill]

ig so

but

[raw chasm]

yeah

[covert hill]

you need a mind to have curiousity

and like

[smoky veldt]

you also need a mind to function

[covert hill]

the knight might not actually be pure yk

[smoky veldt]

the literal meaning of mind is not what mind means in the hk universe

[covert hill]

killing the radiance isnt the same as fully containing it

i know

but curiousity would likely count as a mind in the hk universe

[smoky veldt]

i mean maybe

but seeing as the vessels were tasked with stopping the infection the vessel couldve just seen going to the birthplace as a way to better stop the infection

and then it gains a will and conciousness after the cutscene in the birthplace

otherwise that cutscene just feels pretty meaningless

[covert hill]

shows the past of the vessels and the creation and stuff

[junior ocean]

not really

[teal helm]

schrodinger's purity

[junior ocean]

at least in terms of substance

[covert hill]

real

[smoky veldt]

we should ask the people in #hk-lore

[covert hill]

yeah

they know this stuff

[smoky veldt]

they probably need some fresh air anyways

[junior ocean]

TK always had a will

[smoky veldt]

and maybe some grass

or food

[smoky veldt]

proof?

[covert hill]

brb

[junior ocean]

burden of proof is on you to demonstrate it didnt have one

which is nothing

[smoky veldt]

it makes more sense story wise

[junior ocean]

it doesnt

[smoky veldt]

much more satisfying

gives more meaning to the embrace the void and dream no more endings

[teal helm]

the only grass they be touching is the grass in game

[junior ocean]

no it doesnt

[smoky veldt]

you cant just say no it doesnt without any reasoning at all tbh

[junior ocean]

same to you

[raw chasm]

i think
it was interesting
and idk why every hkmain regular hates on everything

[junior ocean]

youve just stated it does something without reasoning

hitchens razor

[smoky veldt]

what about the white lady not acknowledging TK as an individual until after getting VH

[junior ocean]

you can think its interesting but most of it just relies on misinterpretations or things of similar nature

so in terms of meaningful content, its lacking

[smoky veldt]

you cant decide whether or not something is a misinterpretation you didnt make the game

only team cherry can decide whether or not something is a misinterpretation

tbh

[junior ocean]

she does acknowledge it. youre going to have to cite what youre referring to anyway

[smoky veldt]

yes, but she uses "it" and then after getting voidheart references TK as "you"

[molten moat]

Anika, blaming someone of bad arguing and doing the exact same thing is not somethig you should do

[junior ocean]

you can

[smoky veldt]

no you cant😭

[junior ocean]

this isnt what happened no

[smoky veldt]

you didnt write the story

ive actually given some reasoning

you havent given anything

at all

[molten moat]

Im fairly sure it is. Mind explaining a bit more?

[smoky veldt]

youre entire argument is "nuh uh" and "i made the lore"

[junior ocean]

this isnt relevant

[smoky veldt]

how?

[junior ocean]

what needs to be explained

the concept is that without evidence, you dont need evidence to dismiss it

[teal helm]

I think yonder is just gaslighting us at this point

[smoky veldt]

she clearly only acknowledged TK as an individual bug with thoughts after getting void heart

[smoky veldt]

ive given evidence

even if its not amazing

ive still given something

[junior ocean]

this isnt true and means nothing

[smoky veldt]

yonder is 💅 gaslight gatekeep girlbossing💅 us atm

[smoky veldt]

why

[molten moat]

How that "isnt what happened". If they need evidence, so do you. Asking them for evidence before you have given any makes you in the wrong too

[smoky veldt]

why isnt it true

[junior ocean]

she calls TK it and you post and pre VH, and even if she didnt that has no relation to the discussion

[smoky veldt]

why doesnt it have relation what😭

[junior ocean]

the point was if TK always had a will

that has no correlation and its blatantly wrong

[smoky veldt]

lemme check the wiki

[teal helm]

While the lack of evidence is usually a sign that that something isn't correct, it doesn't mean the complete opposite is true

[junior ocean]

if someone suggests something without evidence, you dont need evidence to refute it no

[junior ocean]

this was never the point

[smoky veldt]

youre right

[junior ocean]

not something anyone claimed either

[smoky veldt]

things arent black and white tbh

it could be a third thing

[junior ocean]

proof standards are

especially in the context of argumentation

[smoky veldt]

providing discussion around things leads to more people learning

also youre being

quite antagonistic

[junior ocean]

that isnt relevant

[smoky veldt]

for no reason

were just talking about silly bug game lore

[smoky veldt]

can you stop being an asshole for no reason please..?

[junior ocean]

that isnt being an asshole

[smoky veldt]

i just wanna talk about silly bug game lore

[molten moat]

If you want to have a meaningful and calm discussion without delving too deep, you should either back up what you say with a couple words, or just not expect proof. This is not a debate match, there is no winning

[rancid jackal]

Silksong when?

[smoky veldt]

im not trying to argue just wanna have a discussion

[smoky veldt]

never

[rancid jackal]

I'm going insane

[smoky veldt]

jk

probably this year or next year tbh

[rancid jackal]

probably 2 of April, right?

Please say was

[smoky veldt]

we might get news then?

[rancid jackal]

Yes

[teal helm]

You were trying to push something without evidence. I thought you were trying to say "A has no evidence, so B must be true" type of argument. I might be wrong on it tho

[smoky veldt]

but it prob wont release

[rancid jackal]

This is my last hope for release

[junior ocean]

not expect proof

[rancid jackal]

NOOOO

[junior ocean]

that isnt what i was saying no

[molten moat]

Yeah! Just chatting around and sharing views can be nice

[smoky veldt]

except it is

[molten moat]

I think hk is quite cool! I dont have much proof though

[smoky veldt]

you were saying TK must have never been pure because i was wrong (for no reason given)

[junior ocean]

views which need proof. what youre essentially saying is that you dont need to sustain your claims

[smoky veldt]

you dont need proof to throw ideas into the world tbh

[junior ocean]

TK along with THK were never pure yes, but the reason suggested here is never one i used

[smoky veldt]

then can you actually provide some evidence

so people can like learn

[junior ocean]

i just stated that youre wrong, i never cited that as evidence for the opposite being true

[smoky veldt]

which is the point of discussion?

[smoky veldt]

you also never said why i was wrong

[molten moat]

Thats up to you whether you want it more argument-y but like, my point is that a discussion doesnt need to be taken to a debate which you need to win

[junior ocean]

when the context is sustaining claims you absolutely need evidence. this is largely a red herring

[junior ocean]

you cant have a discussion without substance

[raw chasm]

mb anika when I choose which SJ beginner map to silver next I'll be sure to do a bunch of research to show factually which one would be the most fun to do next and make me the happiest over my whole experience doing beginner rainbow dw I'll cite all my sources too

[smoky veldt]

you just said my points werent great which makes sense because im not a lore expert

[smoky veldt]

yes you can?

[raw chasm]

it's not that deep it's a video game

[smoky veldt]

its really not a big deal?

[junior ocean]

you cant no

[smoky veldt]

were just talking about silly bug game

[junior ocean]

this is also a red herring and doesnt answer the message

[smoky veldt]

youre being really weirdly antagonistic about it

fym red herring?

[junior ocean]

youre just back peddaling to avoid answering

[smoky veldt]

what?

what question?

you havent asked me a question?

[junior ocean]

there was no question

[smoky veldt]

THEN I CANT ANSWER😭

i cant answer a question that doesnt exist😭

[junior ocean]

you can answer messages that arent questions

[smoky veldt]

..?

do you know what

answer means..?

[molten moat]

You definitely can have a discussion without a need to back up every single claim. If you dont like those though, you dont need to do them. But it isnt black and white, you can argue in a friendly way with only asking explanations on the most important points instead of going after every word

[smoky veldt]

it means to respond to a question

[junior ocean]

why wouldnt i

[molten moat]

I think i have said enough now, see you later anika

[smoky veldt]

bai bai otso

[junior ocean]

it doesnt strictly mean question no

[smoky veldt]

also wdym red herring im not trying to like deceive you or anything, like i said i just want to talk about silly bug game and its really not that big of a deal

[covert hill]

yonder after ragebait

[junior ocean]

its a red herring because it didnt attempt to answer, instead you claimed it isnt a big deal

[junior ocean]

where was rage bait used

[covert hill]

this whole thing

[smoky veldt]

because there wasnt anything to answer? and it isnt a big deal?

im so confused

[junior ocean]

cite a point and sustain that its rage bait

[covert hill]

either ragebait or youre just too immature to have a discussion without being an asshole

[covert hill]

no

[smoky veldt]

yeah

[junior ocean]

there was absolutely things to answer, you just didnt in favour of redirecting the focus

[covert hill]

cite a point and sustain that it isnt ragebait

i wanna hear you give a good reason

and a reason on why tk isnt pure

[smoky veldt]

just being meaninglessly antagonistic about everything

[junior ocean]

again the burden of proof here is on you

[covert hill]

whys that

[smoky veldt]

how

give a reason

[junior ocean]

otherwise similar to sage, this is just a red herring

[covert hill]

you're a red herring

[smoky veldt]

name what you want me to answer ill answer it

[covert hill]

why is tk not pure

[junior ocean]

they made the claim, i dont need to prove a negative in the absence of evidence

instead you need to prove the claim

[covert hill]

was it not the other way round earlier

[smoky veldt]

technically you made the claim the first time

[junior ocean]

no its consistently and explictly been this

[covert hill]

no

[junior ocean]

if you disregard what was said yes

[covert hill]

you came in earlier with 'tk isnt pure'

when everyone had agreed it is

[smoky veldt]

no i said something and then you said "nuh uh"

or atleast was at some point

[covert hill]

just give a reason to why tk isnt pure and we can stop arguing

[junior ocean]

that isnt what started it no, and my message was in response to the claim TK gained a will

meaning i didnt make the initial claim

reread

[covert hill]

meaning yes you did thats how you came into it making a claim against other people

[smoky veldt]

but your message was also a claim

[covert hill]

just give the reason buddy

[junior ocean]

not the initial claim which needs evidence no

[smoky veldt]

literally just give some evidence its not that hard

this is not how you get people to agree with you😭

[junior ocean]

that is a non sequitur and a disingenuous response

[junior ocean]

who agrees doesnt matter

[covert hill]

you know what does matter

[junior ocean]

nothing

[covert hill]

telling us why tk isnt pure

[smoky veldt]

or like you for that matter

[junior ocean]

that also doesnt matter

[smoky veldt]

you seem sad

do you need therapy

like srsly

you seem sad af

[covert hill]

like im fine with your point and all and would like to talk about it but if you're gonna be like this then js go away

yeah

[smoky veldt]

like you ok?

[covert hill]

its not do you seem sad it just is sad

[junior ocean]

is that cat ok

[covert hill]

if this is how you entertain youself

yes

[smoky veldt]

the cat is def ok

[covert hill]

its a cute car

[junior ocean]

it is

[smoky veldt]

vat

[covert hill]

dang

[smoky veldt]

thats quite sad

[covert hill]

sage you just wanna block em?

[smoky veldt]

no that would feel mean

i dont like being mean

[covert hill]

there's my proof on the ragebait

[covert hill]

they're being mean tho

its fair to be mean when someone else is being mean

[smoky veldt]

maybe

[junior ocean]

that isnt proof of rage bait no

[covert hill]

sometimes you cant help people yk

[smoky veldt]

but i feel like

[covert hill]

99% sure it is

[smoky veldt]

shes being mean cause shes sad

[covert hill]

well yeah

its a mental issue

but

we cant help with it really

[smoky veldt]

fair

[covert hill]

there'll be a point of realisation

then they can start finding help

[smoky veldt]

i did shit like this too

still do sometimes

[covert hill]

yeah

[smoky veldt]

depression had me down

still does tbh

[covert hill]

but do you get what i mean by like

[smoky veldt]

yeah

[covert hill]

if you cant accept it then you cant really be helped

[junior ocean]

[covert hill]

brb again

i mean we can try help if you want

yonder

would you want that

[junior ocean]

largest red herring yet

[covert hill]

it isnt

if you would want it

i will get to know you

[smoky veldt]

we are genuinely worried about your mental state

[covert hill]

and be someone you can trust

i understand at a stage like that its hard to believe

but

[junior ocean]

that isnt relevant to the discussion however

[covert hill]

i do like helping people

ill be back soon btw guys gotta eat dinner

[smoky veldt]

the discussion is over

[wary vale]

scp-001

daybreak

[ionic tapir]

Explain the lore

[junior ocean]

it isnt

[ionic tapir]

I haven’t kept up with my scps

[wary vale]

well there are a number of scp-001s

i just thought of the daybreak

[smoky veldt]

no it is

[ionic tapir]

What’s the daybreak;-;

[smoky veldt]

the terraria weapon?

[smoky veldt]

?

[junior ocean]

que

[smoky veldt]

so

queso

[wary vale]

when day breaks
its like an apocalypse situation where basically everyone that comes with contact to the sun becomes a zombie

[junior ocean]

🧀

[wary vale]

yes

[smoky veldt]

terraria is amazing

[mental mirage]

true

[smoky veldt]

i totally dont have 2.5k hours in it in the last 5 years

[junior ocean]

[smoky veldt]

noooo definitely not

[mental mirage]

apart from hardcore, hardcore sucks and is not very fun at all

[smoky veldt]

infernum

[junior ocean]

idk abt sucks but its lowkey mid!!

[mental mirage]

nice

[smoky veldt]

im on my second infernum playthrough atm

[wary vale]

i play too many games to havw enough hours in it

[mental mirage]

early hardmode

[smoky veldt]

valid

[smoky veldt]

playing as ranger

first was mage

im up to providence

[wary vale]

i also have to manage my risk of rain 2 addiction deep rock galactic addiction league of legends addiction yknow allat

[junior ocean]

parts of the game are very lackluster yes, but idk if that necessarily brings the whole experience down to being classified as sucking

since the parts that are good are done well

[smoky veldt]

?

he was just talking about a specific mode

[ionic tapir]

So a summer monday

[mental mirage]

early hardmode hardcore

(wyverns, clowns)

[wary vale]

maybe

[junior ocean]

hardcore is evil

[mental mirage]

yeah

[wary vale]

idk i dont live in southern hemisphere

[junior ocean]

but thats the nature of the challenge

[smoky veldt]

wait did you call terraria in general lowkey mid?

[ionic tapir]

Oh damn

Alr

[mental mirage]

indeed

[junior ocean]

you do have items u can quickly get which let u escape any fight near instantly

[junior ocean]

[mental mirage]

unless you get one-shot by a random enemy that deals absurd damage for no reason

[junior ocean]

true

but i think by the point of hardcore, youd know enough abt the game to understand where those enemies are and how to deal with them

[wary vale]

i definitely should continue my current tmod playthrough and not procrastinate work even further

rn

[mental mirage]

true

[smoky veldt]

blocked

[junior ocean]

regardless yes it can be unforgiving at times

[junior ocean]

[covert hill]

Yonder could you send me a friend request I'd like to js ask you something but I think it's better to do it in dms or js not in a server yk

[mental mirage]

yeah, i recently died because i jumped like 10 blocks in the air and got immediately body slammed by a wyvern

(i am salty)

[junior ocean]

for me however i found the bosses to be one of the worst parts

[smoky veldt]

well ignored but theyre very similar

[smoky veldt]

thats literally the best part of the game

[junior ocean]

[mental mirage]

still talking about hardcore, i think

[junior ocean]

just in general

[mental mirage]

huh, really

[junior ocean]

in hardcore the bosses are never big issues imo

[mental mirage]

yeah, you just overprepare for everything

[junior ocean]

you know when you want to fight them so u can be ready. however with enemies, even with game knowledge, you can get surprised and whatnot

so its much more random

[wary vale]

me stepping on a boulder in hardcore so i have to start all over again

[short sinew]

terraria idk
im a very very recent player
and yeah like anika the bosses, which are supposed to be one of the main draw of the game just kinda suck
a lot of them seem like DPS checks, or require you to build specific arenas to basically cheese them

like queen bee is good, but even the first bosses just sometime decide that you can't dodge them (eye of chutulu last phase in expert, brain of chutulu last phase, skeletron just going in your face at mac 12, queen slime... as a whole

[covert hill]

Yonder accept friend req please I'd like to js talk in dms for like 2 minutes even then you can block me if you want or somethin idk

[mental mirage]

get wiring part, check every cave you enter obsessively, make dangersense potions, get the grand design

[covert hill]

Calamity bosses make up for it imo

They're not too bad

[mental mirage]

best way to deal with traps

[short sinew]

I like the game overall, the exploration and feeling of powering up is cool, but the bosses having so many dps checks (at least for my skissue) annoys me

[wary vale]

to get wiring part you assume i'll even be able to get to post skeletron in first place

[mental mirage]

nope, a dart trap or a pressure works too

[covert hill]

Yeah

[mental mirage]

just yoink them

[wary vale]

huh

[native hull]

yeah i agree most of the bosses are just spams there is not enough movement mechanics to bother dodging

[short sinew]

well that isn't terraria :ponder:

I got terraria some 10 years after release, im not gonna immediately mod the game

[covert hill]

Yeah ik

[junior ocean]

some of the bosses are ok, theres just a large difference in quality

[covert hill]

It's more the progression in terraria that's good

[mental mirage]

eh, tbh the only boss which is a dps check is wall of flesh, and every other boss is infinitely dodgeable

you need boots for eoc

[junior ocean]

even a game like HK with largely boring bosses maintains a very similar quality over updates

[smoky veldt]

it def seems like a skill issue tbh

[smoky veldt]

but i do have over 2.5k hours

[short sinew]

show me a hitless queen slime

im waiting eagerly

[mental mirage]

boc second phase is affected by knockback so you just need a good knockback weapon

[short sinew]

its gonna involve some bullshit build with traps everywhere

[junior ocean]

i dont think a lot of the game is intended hitless tbh

[smoky veldt]

queen slime is just hard

[mental mirage]

okay

[covert hill]

Queen slime isn't a 1 tap tho or anything

[short sinew]

they are just gonna spawn the boss with post moonlord gear and one shot it

[mental mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SOv8ARfQ0

[native hull]

[smoky veldt]

yeah

[wary vale]

shrimply dodge

[covert hill]

Queen slime is more js overwhelming

[smoky veldt]

calamity is amazing

[smoky veldt]

yeah

[covert hill]

Yeah

[smoky veldt]

its by far the worst boss in the game

[mental mirage]

apart from death mode,

[smoky veldt]

skill issue

death mode is easy af

now infernum

thats hard

[mental mirage]

skeletron prime on death mode is, stupid

genuinely easier on infernum

[smoky veldt]

fair but its also fucking skeletron prime

[wary vale]

im playing infernum

uhhhhhhhh hyeah boss hard

[smoky veldt]

calamity is known for starting after moon lord

[smoky veldt]

what are you up to?

[wary vale]

ive yet to do king slime

[smoky veldt]

lol

so you like just started

[wary vale]

im still doing prep time

[smoky veldt]

fair

early game is lots of prep

[short sinew]

I guess I just don't like the concept of building the perfect arena for each boss which allows for the perfect fight in which none of the attack can even reach you
which is my bad ig

[mental mirage]

never understood why people keep making skeletron prime the final mech and say he's the hardest, he pretty much crumbles if you just have a straight line of planter boxes

[smoky veldt]

gotta get heart crystals

[native hull]

i played till the mechnical bosses how far was i in the game?

[wary vale]

need meth crystals

[smoky veldt]

half way

[mental mirage]

like, half-way

[smoky veldt]

roughly

[wary vale]

thats halfway don

e

[native hull]

damm

[smoky veldt]

i just build a few rows of platforms and some campfires and it works out for me

[short sinew]

more than halfway

[smoky veldt]

no not really

[short sinew]

you were like, 3 bosses from the end

[native hull]

what

[mental mirage]

yeah it's fine, just gotta have space to go and refresh your wing timer

[smoky veldt]

and like 3 from the start

[mental mirage]

literally no

[short sinew]

plant, golem, mage and final mb

4

[mental mirage]

actually, technically the pillars are counted as bosses owo

individual ones

[smoky veldt]

but theres alot of optional bosses and hardmode has alot of grind inbetween bosses

[junior ocean]

plant and mage

[short sinew]

but only like 2 tiers of armor basically

[junior ocean]

cultist is peam

[covert hill]

Golem too

[mental mirage]

what does this mean

[junior ocean]

u just get hallow armour and thats it

[smoky veldt]

maybe if youre playing normal mode

[short sinew]

no there is plant armor, and upgraded plant armor ? hallow is better ?

[junior ocean]

all modes

[mental mirage]

what,

[smoky veldt]

but playing normal mode is a massive skill issue tbh

[covert hill]

Yea you gotta do expert fr

[native hull]

????

[covert hill]

Or is master higher

[smoky veldt]

master is higher

[covert hill]

Whatever the higher one is

[junior ocean]

lots of those are not that good. youd use hallow for the set bonus

[smoky veldt]

but expert minimum

[covert hill]

Master then

Fr

[short sinew]

:ponder: hmm

[covert hill]

Plus shield of cthulu so you gotta

[smoky veldt]

brain of confusion

basically does the same thing

[junior ocean]

youd use that too

[smoky veldt]

also your dps will be shit with hallowed armour against moonlord

[mental mirage]

hallow armor, chlorophyte armor, shroomite armor, beetle armor, ooa armors

[smoky veldt]

sounds like you cant dodge tbh

[smoky veldt]

and spectral

and spooky wood

and tiki

[mental mirage]

oh right those exist

[junior ocean]

not really

[covert hill]

Well you wouldn't use all depending on class

But those are all there yea

[smoky veldt]

have you never played mage😭

mage best class

[mental mirage]

yeah, but the armors and weapons aren't very memorable

[smoky veldt]

we love systemic toxic masculinity /s

[vestal hare]

im Emo

[mental mirage]

my most vivid memory of playing mage is swapping helmets for moonlord the entire time i was fighting him

[smoky veldt]

maybe ive just played the game too much but i can probably name every non ooa armour

[junior ocean]

those arent mutually exclusive no

[smoky veldt]

or atleast describe them

[smoky veldt]

lol

[mental mirage]

makes you immune to knockback

[vestal hare]

why im got no Role???

=((

[smoky veldt]

you wouldnt need shadow dodge if you could dodge tbh

[junior ocean]

because you arent a mod or muted

you can however get the latter

[smoky veldt]

cause no pronoms

[mental mirage]

👁‍🗨

[vestal hare]

how get pronoms

[mental mirage]

id:customize

[smoky veldt]

channels and roles

[smoky veldt]

wha

[mental mirage]

:3

[smoky veldt]

the set bonus of a set?

[mental mirage]

yes

[vestal hare]

u know what

[smoky veldt]

i dont think theres one that does that

[mental mirage]

there is

[smoky veldt]

but its probably melee

[mental mirage]

gladiator

[vestal hare]

y’all are gen beta

[smoky veldt]

ah

[vestal hare]

🤑

[smoky veldt]

that makes sense

i never used gladiator

[junior ocean]

it would still have use

[mental mirage]

same

[smoky veldt]

just dont get hit tbh

[vestal hare]

are y’all talk about Soul Knight

[smoky veldt]

no were talking about terraria

[mental mirage]

i just know it from tryharding terraria trivia to give out codes to random people, back in the day

[junior ocean]

that isnt an argument

[vestal hare]

how u edit so fast

?

[smoky veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-seeking-rabbit-meme-caption-gif-24264024

[mental mirage]

you can use tab and the up arrow to scoll up to your messages faster

[vestal hare]

Im Mob

[mental mirage]

then you just press e and you can edit it right there

right?

[smoky veldt]

not every single conversation is an argument

[vestal hare]

i gonna said “gg” 5 times

[mental mirage]

orrr you can just press the up arrow to edit your most recent message

but that's not epicsauce

[vestal hare]

why 48k online but only 3 chat

[smoky veldt]

i just right click and press edit tbh

[mental mirage]

devastating

[covert hill]

Stop tryna argue then

[junior ocean]

this wasnt the point and irrelevant. the point is that your attempt at an argument was not an argument. it was meaningless

[junior ocean]

this is also not a response

[covert hill]

Cause it wasn't an argument

[junior ocean]

it isnt a conclusion from what i said

[covert hill]

It's a conclusion from this whole time

[junior ocean]

it absolutely was, there was a clear disagreement with established positions

[smoky veldt]

can you stop trying to argue with me please

[vestal hare]

y’all are argues

[smoky veldt]

its really annoying

[covert hill]

Yeah

[mental mirage]

shadow dodge isn't real anymore

[smoky veldt]

shhhhhh

[ionic tapir]

Y’all have been yondered

[covert hill]

At some point you gotta shut up

[smoky veldt]

yonder is rage baiter

[junior ocean]

you started it this is just lazy backpeddaling to avoid responding

[short sinew]

this got out of control really fast

[covert hill]

Sure is

[smoky veldt]

yep

definitely

woah

im so destroyed

[mental mirage]

destroyer terraria reference

[covert hill]

Can't believe I've been annoyed

[junior ocean]

yes, starting a disagreement then claiming that i should not respond is just lazy argumentation

[covert hill]

I'm so angry wow

[smoky veldt]

i lost that argument that totally existed and happened so bad

woah

[covert hill]

Yup

You're rigjt

[smoky veldt]

i care so much

[covert hill]

I'm so sad rn yonder how could you

[smoky veldt]

yes

[junior ocean]

"losing" was never a point or something which mattered

[short sinew]

jee anika, how to you manage to get people to be so fucking mean to you ?

[covert hill]

Oh true I'm so sorry

[short sinew]

like im shocked at the sheer aggressivity you are receiving

[ionic tapir]

Isn’t losing/winning the point of an argument

[raw chasm]

It's an art

[junior ocean]

this type of thought is probably why you have a negative connotation to disagreeing

[covert hill]

Shouldve known that I apologise deeply

[vestal hare]

https://tenor.com/view/ngot-keo-keocon-vudinhtrongthang-thangngot-gif-10510199670361344884

[junior ocean]

it isnt no

[smoky veldt]

ikr im being so awful and mean

[junior ocean]

it happens

[covert hill]

Oh wait that makes so much sense thank you

[ionic tapir]

Then it’s not an argument

[mental mirage]

me when armchair psychology (i love armchairs)

[ionic tapir]

It’s a conversation

[smoky veldt]

yep mhm totally

[junior ocean]

if you have a flawed understanding of an argument this is true

[covert hill]

That's a good point yonder

[smoky veldt]

i totally dont just want to talk to people

nooo

i just want to argue all the time

[short sinew]

the fact that arguments aren't about winning is like...
a really important life lesson...
the goal of an argument is to get a better understanding of truth

[vestal hare]

EMO

[smoky veldt]

its totally the only thing i enjoy

[covert hill]

I can't believe my train of thought is so much lower then yours

[mental mirage]

talking to people is cringe, we must argue and spread hate among ourselves constantly grr

[smoky veldt]

yes!

hate!

only hate!

[covert hill]

Trueee

I hate not hating

[smoky veldt]

never ever ever ever accept that people can have harmless opinions!

[vestal hare]

“Grass is green”

[mental mirage]

i hate so hard i even hate hating

[covert hill]

For sure

[smoky veldt]

fr!

[covert hill]

Sometimes I feel like that but I hate that feeling

I hate feeling at all

[smoky veldt]

i hate everything

my life is so miserable and im taking that out on everyone!

[short sinew]

arguing isn't necessarily angry, arguing is just... not aggreeing with someone and trying to explain your side and them doing the same until potentially one is convinced or a deeper truth is reached

[covert hill]

I hate the all

[vestal hare]

they hate hawk

[mental mirage]

i will literally cancel your netflix subscription and then do something bad

[junior ocean]

azerod needs to revert pfp

[short sinew]

but I think I am talking to walls

[covert hill]

Sometimes I hate me too

[vestal hare]

already bad

[covert hill]

All the time in fact

[junior ocean]

its the nature of hkofftopic

[smoky veldt]

its just cause anika is being antagonistic about it

[ionic tapir]

I is walk

[covert hill]

I just like starting arguments because I hate my life

I'm so sad

[short sinew]

mayhaps... mayhaps...
Or I could wait t'il 2nd of april

[covert hill]

I should see a therapist

[vestal hare]

-# shut door

[junior ocean]

this has never been the case no

[covert hill]

Nobody likes me

[ionic tapir]

I’m walls now

[smoky veldt]

the cake isnt a lie!

[smoky veldt]

the cake isnt a lie!

[mental mirage]

oh no

[ionic tapir]

Fr

[smoky veldt]

yes it has

[vestal hare]

the cake is a lie

[short sinew]

YUP, that is the best response

[junior ocean]

provide an instance of it

[smoky veldt]

no it isnt

[vestal hare]

u liar

[short sinew]

anika this isn't worth fighting for

[smoky veldt]

the tone youve been speaking in has been rude af

[vestal hare]

u sweet as a cake🥵

[smoky veldt]

and youve been constantly trying to start fights for no reason

[vestal hare]

Naw bro an trans, Nvm

[smoky veldt]

wha

[mental mirage]

vegeta looking into sky gif

[vestal hare]

Vegeta my femboy

[ionic tapir]

🔥

[vestal hare]

favorite one

[mental mirage]

this fandom is so, like, cooked, as they say

[smoky veldt]

please dont flirt with me i am a minor and i have a girlfriend!!!

[ionic tapir]

Nafisa better

[vestal hare]

more better

[mental mirage]

chat can we ban this fred

[vestal hare]

chill

[short sinew]

it annoys me so much

[vestal hare]

[smoky veldt]

cake is yummy

can we all just

[wary vale]

haters be like HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

[smoky veldt]

eat cake

[junior ocean]

the means of conversation is text, getting any tone is not really something you can meaningfully do in the absence of non verbal cues or any actual tone of voice, so that isnt really evidence of much

[smoky veldt]

and be happy

[vestal hare]

yummy as you😋

[junior ocean]

ive posed disagreements, but that isnt equal to a fight

[smoky veldt]

dude.

[covert hill]

samesies

[covert hill]

stop

[smoky veldt]

genuinely creepy

[mental mirage]

how does one contact mods on this server

[covert hill]

ping them

[vestal hare]

wait a mintues, how u has a girlfriend when u a minor

[covert hill]

because

you can love someone

as a minor

[vestal hare]

“Age is age” ahh reply

[covert hill]

dating does not mean having sex

[vestal hare]

im does

[covert hill]

no

[vestal hare]

[smoky veldt]

well you didnt ever use any indication of using a polite or positive tone (for example using tone indicators) and the way you were messaging seemed very stand offish from my point of view

[covert hill]

you're just lonely

[wary vale]

having a romantic relationship at minor age between minors is normal

[smoky veldt]

because she is also a minor

[covert hill]

yeah

[short sinew]

like I look back on the argument, and I don't see at all how anika is being rude ???
they are being faced with someone being like
"just don't get hit, you are bad and have skill issue because you are using something that only triggers when you get hit, don't get hit"

and while saying that 'don't get hit' isn't really feasible they get shot down and told they are annoying and aggressive

hum.. sorry mr dark souls fan if people use stuff that allows them to combat getting hit

[vestal hare]

yap final boss

[covert hill]

you aren't much better huh

[vestal hare]

Forget it

[mental mirage]

<@&283547423706447872> can you do something about this @vestal hare individual, he is breaking the • No hate speech, discrimination, harassment or aggressive attitudes towards other users (in the server or DM's). Rule

[vestal hare]

Chill

[covert hill]

thanks river

[mental mirage]

no prob

[junior ocean]

being straightforward isnt stand offish or rude

[wary vale]

guys should i play league of legends or tmod

[smoky veldt]

based river moment

[covert hill]

yonder

[vestal hare]

I'm leave okay?

[covert hill]

may i just ask one thing

[native hull]

YO what is going on

[junior ocean]

bro cited the rule 😭

[short sinew]

if you don't link to messages nothing is gonna happen btw

[vestal hare]

Ahh… So concludes the life and times of King Sisyphus. A fitting end to an existence defined by futile struggle. Doomed, from the very start… And I don’t regret a SECOND of it!

[stark dirge]

[smoky veldt]

well it seemed like that from my pov so i apologise

[stark dirge]

wow people are out here thinking they're the mc or some shit

[junior ocean]

🤝

[vestal hare]

Y'all want me talk gibberish???

[covert hill]

yup

[short sinew]

yooo ? character development ?

apologies instead of more insults

[junior ocean]

azerod is crazy for that!

[short sinew]

poggers, we may be getting somewhere

[covert hill]

this whole argument thing started with the 'i dont think tk is pure'

[mental mirage]

me when i go through character development (i call it becoming a better person)

[covert hill]

id genuinely like to hear abt that

[junior ocean]

its not so much i dont think TK is pure, more that TK isnt pure

[smoky veldt]

i dont use skill issue as an insult its usually used in a joking way for me sorry for not stating that

[vestal hare]

"Well well, what do we have here?" ahh

[junior ocean]

it isnt ambigious essentially

[mental mirage]

peace among the nations, there are tears in my eyes

truly beautiful

[covert hill]

and why is that

i mean to be fair

aside from one white lady line it is never said the knight is pure

so

[short sinew]

"unites the void under the bearers will" is the description of void heart

"no will to break" is amongst the definition of purity

[covert hill]

either side can make sense

[short sinew]

that is pretty clear cut if you ask me

[junior ocean]

ok cake pfp

[mental mirage]

it's Cakeperson

[short sinew]

:3

[junior ocean]

WL then retracts this claim

[covert hill]

yeah

thats after vh

[junior ocean]

so citing that means nothing

[vestal hare]

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[covert hill]

so it can be seen as voidheart makes tk unpure

[smoky veldt]

dude wtf

[covert hill]

fred

[vestal hare]

What