hk-general

[royal belfry]

"Yeah ive gotten to crystal peaks no I haven't upgraded my sword"

It's kinda strange

[peak oxide]

Happy Hanukkah and late Christmas 🕎 🎄

[wicked python]

u can get dream nail before visiting fungal wastes

so its pretty random

[midnight oasis]

Shaman stone and dreamwielder

[gaunt coyote]

As to you!

[royal belfry]

Yuh it's crazy

[wicked python]

everyone does diff things

like i grinded for lumafly lantern before leaving green path like a moron

[royal belfry]

How long even is hawkkah

[gaunt coyote]

Wait how??? I thought you had to use the lift in city of tears

[midnight oasis]

drop in from crystal peak

[peak oxide]

Hanukkah is 8 days

[royal belfry]

Oh cool

[gaunt coyote]

Oooooooh yeah

[royal belfry]

That's what I did

[gaunt coyote]

but you need dive for that

[royal belfry]

I haven't even touched the lift yet

[gaunt coyote]

and you gotta go to city of tears for that

[wicked python]

another hole in crystal peaks

[royal belfry]

???

You can get out without the lift

[gaunt coyote]

There is?

[royal belfry]

You can get in without the lift

[wicked python]

ye

[midnight oasis]

no you don't

[royal belfry]

Don't you need dive to get into Crystal peaks

[gaunt coyote]

I'm thinking about some other places in crystal peak I guess

[royal belfry]

Never abbreviate crystal peaks oh my God

[gaunt coyote]

woah man

hey now

[wicked python]

u can use lumafly lantern

[gaunt coyote]

XD

[gaunt coyote]

Learned that one a little too late

[midnight oasis]

You need to grind geo to buy the lantern and then pay a toll right here which opens up another entrance to Crystal Peak

[royal belfry]

Don't have it how does it work

[wicked python]

you buy from sly

then u see in dark

[royal belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-i-dont-care-idgaf-dexter-so-what-gif-21380784

I KNOW that💔😭

[lapis wharf]

Why cant i fight sly in godhome

I literally fought him already

[lapis wharf]

Nah

But i could fight the nailmaster duo in godhome before i beat them

Why cant i do the same with Sly

[ashen wadi]

You should be able to

[topaz compass]

radiant markoth made me quit :(

[midnight oasis]

RIP

[brave blaze]

Some people like challenge running lol

[midnight oasis]

back in my day challenge running was called running a marathon there was none of this radhog or R5 nonsense

[lapis wharf]

Its very annoying cause i got to him only once and i want to practice his moves but now i canf

Can’t*

[wicked python]

just get to him again maybe it will fix

[low berry]

Why am I even doing Path of Pain again?

[fresh solar]

masochism

Its in the name my guy

[ionic oxide]

hey

i'm trying to draw a false knight fanart but can't decide the pose-

[wheat field]

bench sitting

[calm mural]

can someone please

give me some motivation

to help me thru radiant nightmare grim

[charred sedge]

do it or get executed

i think that will help

but sereously you can do it

[ionic oxide]

Why can’t I send images here?

[wheat field]

[midnight oasis]

wait a few hours

[wheat field]

you'll be able in 3h

[ionic oxide]

oh

[supple apex]

[wheat field]

LOL

[brave blaze]

I need serous help if anyone had ever watched stranger things and rememberes it I need explanation on alot of things cuz I'm slow

[steel wyvern]

there's most definitely analysises on youtube

[brave blaze]

Can't u help? I can't find any

[ancient timber]

tgl

[kind fox]

I LOVE GRIMM SO MUCH I WANNA GAY MARRY HIM

No the fictional character

Not myself

Like the hollow knight character

Not irl

It was hard

[steel wyvern]

oh definitely not i never watched anything past the firstbepisodr

[brave blaze]

Hot take but like

Grimm is an easy boss

I beat him my like 4th try

I didnt really get the hype behind why everyone was saying hes so hard

[midnight oasis]

hot take but grimm is a terrible boss

Attacks don't naturally flow since he dissapears and reappears after each one which results in them feeling disjointed and positioning not being relevant at all much

Pufferfish completely takes away agency from the player and they have to spend like 10 seconds dodging as well

[steel wyvern]

use nailmaster's glory on grim. makes the boss actually passable

[midnight oasis]

Which is basically what Elder Hu does but worse

[steel wyvern]

spells damage him here

[midnight oasis]

Yeah so you can shriek twice and maybe cast a fireball

Not very interesting, still completely breaks the flow of the boss

Nailmaster's Glory makes HK's combat actually passable

Also this isn't mentioning that the steps to actually get to Grimm also suck

Mid climax for a bad quest with bad rewards

[steel wyvern]

nightmare king grimm is actually the second best of hk presentation

imo

[midnight oasis]

I dunno this is the same game with the Hollow Knight, Radiance, Nosk, and Flukemarm

[winter hollow]

do anny of you know how to work the debug mood becaus somthing is wrong

[steel wyvern]

#1057825333841240104

[winter hollow]

thanks

[steel wyvern]

forgot that the hollow knight exists in hollow knight

i still agree with what i said. i think nightmare king grimm's theme is wonderful and paired with all of the imagery and all that it's one of the most memorable things in hk to me

kinda lost a lot of that charm because i only fought nightmare king grimm on my second playthrough but it was still enchanting to play through

[midnight oasis]

NKG theme doesn't align with my taste in music

(Its terrible)

[steel wyvern]

agree to disagree

[midnight oasis]

should've gotten the rhodes guy on board for NKG smh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HDsr1J9pho

[steel wyvern]

if chris christodoulou worked on hk it would be playable

they got the wrong chris on the job

[vast dock]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-live-reaction-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-15560962608572158267

[midnight oasis]

Entering The Abyss and being told to activate the Deep Void Signals while this banger comes on:
https://youtu.be/tw_nOq_t--I

Strongest con lentitud poderosa fan vs. Weakest a placid island of ignorance enjoyer

[brave blaze]

Can u send me some vids

[steel wyvern]

no

[steel wyvern]

i'd listen to this but i'm in the car with my parents

[midnight oasis]

Your parents hate good music?

[steel wyvern]

my dad listens to country rock so yes

[snow cape]

grimm or nkg

grimm is easy and honestly nkg isn't super hard for me now but it took longer for me to beat nkg than radiance when I first got to her

[brave blaze]

Grimm. I havent fought nkg yet so i dont have an opinion on him rn

[snow cape]

given i was lwk ass at that time even if I was so far in the game

[snow cape]

i see i see

I completely agree w u tho

[brave blaze]

Same with mantis lords

People were hyping it up to be so difficult

I beat it my 3rd try

Note that I barely installed the game

[snow cape]

mantis lords was really hard for me actually

but again

I was shit at the game

This was the first real game I've ever played

so my minecraft and roblox skills were NOTTT gonna cut it 😭

[brave blaze]

Ive played games like this before so I had some experience before hand

I guess thats why it wasnt that hard for me

[snow cape]

See that makes sense

[brave blaze]

Yeah i can understand that lol

[snow cape]

how far are you right now?

[brave blaze]

Queens garden

[snow cape]

nice nice

what do u think of the game so far

[brave blaze]

Iirc queens garden is endgame right?

[brave blaze]

Its good

[snow cape]

yeah I would say so

I mean

[brave blaze]

It had a slow start but when it started picking up it got very fun

[snow cape]

yes!

[brave blaze]

Probably like

My top 3 best indie games ive played so far

[snow cape]

honestly i dont reallyg remember I beat it like

hold on let me see

yeah I first beat it 3 years ago 😭

then I spedran it a bit ago but speedruns are never in perfect order

[snow cape]

oo what r the others (i need games)

[brave blaze]

Ummm

If one of your first indie games was hollow knight then

Try terraria

[snow cape]

ok i lied terraria was my first game

[brave blaze]

Ph

Yeah terraria is my number 1 fav

Its very good

[snow cape]

but it was on mobile and my brother played for me bc i was so bad

[brave blaze]

OH

In that case you should get the console or pc version

[snow cape]

I DO have it on pc and i have 400 hours, im only missing 2 achievements

ok guys this isnt funny my messages raen't sending

[brave blaze]

Its waaayy better on their

[round escarp]

why isnt scarab loading

[snow cape]

hlep

[round escarp]

its stuck on an infinite loading screen

[snow cape]

completely agree, especially w the new movement systen they did on mobile .. it's so awful

[brave blaze]

It must have been so painful playing on mobile-

Im sorry for your loss

[snow cape]

actually it was the first i'd ever played on so i wasn't horrible and I liked the system

I was also brain dead and like 9 years old though

[snow cape]

let me try to load it up

have u updated

yeah no its loaded for me

[round escarp]

?

i jus downloaded the latest version

oh wait do i have to put it in the hollow knight files?

[surreal stream]

I have a MASSIVE day today

[mossy vault]

like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. like.. you know..

[round escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/reigen-mob-psycho-mp100-arataka-throw-gif-8419036963242302985

[wet path]

fun fact: fog canyon is the only area in which you can't acquire a charm in any way whatsoever.

[sharp sedge]

No

Grubs

[junior ocean]

grubsong 😨
elegy 😨

[sharp sedge]

If you hit the requirement for the two charms from grubs in fog canyon that counts

If you get essence in fog canyon that is enough to get dreamwielder that’s a charm

[wet path]

yes but you cant collect a charm in fog canyon

[sharp sedge]

And you didn’t specify vanilla

[wet path]

you have to go back to grubhome

[sharp sedge]

Also you said “in any way whatsoever”

[wet path]

why wouldn't i mean vanilla?

[junior ocean]

that isnt what your original fact said

you specifically made the distinction of any way whatsoever

[wet path]

does aquire not mean collect?

ah

bad phrasing

sorry

[junior ocean]

meaning indirect methods should be included

[sharp sedge]

Well because you said in any way whatsoever, so technically getting randomizer mod and finding a charm in fog canyon counts as a way

[junior ocean]

its fine

[wet path]

wait is baldurs shell in howling cliffs or greenpath?

it kinda dips into greenpath iirc

ok it's in cliffs i checked

so to rephrase: fun fact: fog canyon is the only are in which you cannot collect/directly acquire a charm in

[sharp sedge]

You need to go through cliffs but you can unlock a shortcut I think

[sharp sedge]

IN VANILLA

[modern coral]

silksong when

[obtuse phoenix]

Never

[wet path]

soon with the help of helpful hk enjoyers such as yourself

[valid escarp]

god i wish the knight was in a smash game

ik everyone has said it by now

but god

[valid escarp]

each wishlist = +1 years till silksong tho! thats why its only coming in hundreds of thousands of years

[sharp sedge]

no

MILLIONS

[valid escarp]

imagine this:

[sharp sedge]

imagineyour mom

[valid escarp]

the universe is an empty void, even the very last black holes have been gone for trillions of years

[sharp sedge]

[valid escarp]

and suddenly

ari gibson the lord and savior pops into existence, goes onto the silksong website and announces

silksong releasing tomorrow!

[obtuse phoenix]

IMAGINE IF NINJA GOT A LOOOOOOOOOOWW TAPPPPPER FAAAAADE

[valid escarp]

then the universe gets reformed to await the arrival of silksong

[wet path]

yes, but soon it will overflow from its 32 bit limit somewhere aroung 4 billion, returning to 0 and instantly being released

[valid escarp]

ok child

[valid escarp]

hmmmm you make an excellent point

[oblique turret]

can the unstable floor in mines break

[valid escarp]

eventually

[wet path]

all questions will be answered by playing the game, but also it wouldn't make sense for there to be a random shaky floor without it being able to break

[fading gazelle]

I've come to the conclusion that nine sols is not even close to hollow knight

[wet path]

same, the combat is just parrying

[valid escarp]

i've come to the conclusion that i've never played nine sols

heard its good tho

[wet path]

while hollow knight is completely moving around your enemy

[oblique turret]

idk ive been walking on it for like 30s

[fading gazelle]

Tbh I don't like it

[wet path]

nine sols just makes you stand there

[wet path]

me too, graphics are kinda unimpressive most of the time and the level design is boring, and the lodaing times are way too long without any reason whatsoever

[valid escarp]

anyhow whats been yalls personal goty (as in game that you started this year)

[wet path]

just beat another crabs treasure and its insanely good

[warm lichen]

I love it, it’s well of course always a preference, but it’s a good game in my opinion

[wet path]

if it wasnt stupidly easy after the middle

[valid escarp]

noice i've heard good things abt it

[oblique turret]

ts not breaking

[valid escarp]

anyhow mine is probably

uh

outer wilds

[wet path]

play the game and you'll find out how to break it

[valid escarp]

js go through game

[oblique turret]

thats the problem idk where to go now, almost everything is locked

by some gates

[valid escarp]

(it aint gon happen any time soon but it will happen eventually)

[valid escarp]

js explore the crossroads if you're in there

[jolly quarry]

Hades

[valid escarp]

finish that entire area up

[wet path]

asking a bunch of question on a first playtrough and especially in the early game can ruin reveals and decreases immersion

[valid escarp]

ooooooooh thats a good one

[oblique turret]

I AM EXPLORING CROSSROADS 😭

[wet path]

look at the map

[valid escarp]

oh also hk help maybe

[oblique turret]

okey

oh wait i forgot theres a place for a key

[wet path]

just go to the big face in the center

[oblique turret]

okok

[valid escarp]

js a suggestion, thats an entire group full of helpin ppl and also you wont get spoiled as much

[fading gazelle]

I don't care about the design it's just that the attacks are so hard to read

At least for someone who is playing for the first time

[jolly quarry]

My favorite game along with hk

[fading gazelle]

I'm all for hard games but they have to start easy

[valid escarp]

hades design is perfection, easily my favorite greek mythology interpretation

[valid escarp]

....haveth thine heardeth of my personal demon

a game called

[wet path]

i love the dialogue but the gameplay doesnt match

[valid escarp]

"noita"

[fading gazelle]

I heard that's unfairness the game lol

[valid escarp]

understatement imo

[fading gazelle]

Never played it but I'd like to when I get the chance

[valid escarp]

most games have a learning curve

at least

noita has a learning cliff

[fading gazelle]

Idk I've never played it

[valid escarp]

maybe dont

or maybe do!

its very good

and very bad

and very good

[fading gazelle]

Honestly I heard almost nothing about it, but I've heard enough to know that it will suck if you approach it like a normal game

[ashen wadi]

noita isn't a game you play it's a game that happens around you

[fading gazelle]

Real

Btw are all soulslikes on the same level of unfair as nine sols

[midnight oasis]

most soulslikes are mid

[fading gazelle]

I'm like 80% sure the first dark souls devs just didn't know how to properly balance a game and it just turned into a genre somehow

[ashen wadi]

nine sols isn't unfair it just has some fights that are tedious

it's also not a soulslike

[fading gazelle]

I never played soulslikes for long so I don't really know but this is what a lot of people say they're like

[merry vortex]

nine sols is harder than hollow knight tho

[fading gazelle]

Yeah

I think it's too hard

And it kinda skips letting you learn the mechanics

[merry vortex]

i think what makes it hard is that you dont get iframes when you take damage

and also parrying has some rough timing

[ashen wadi]

Parry is pretty generous

[fading gazelle]

Yeah even the first miniboss combos you as hard as a bad rng absrad

[fading gazelle]

Not really

And the attacks aren't really easy to read most of the time

[merry vortex]

they just throw so much stuff at you right in the beginning and that makes it harder than its supposed to be

great game but early game could be more balanced

[ashen wadi]

Only for unbound counter stuff

Unbound counter is annoying to sight read

[fading gazelle]

You mean the red attacks?

To be fair you can just press parry whenever anything moves and you're gonna get most of the attacks

[ember fox]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-bugs-hollow-knight-bugs-fight-hollow-knight-fight-gif-4796561906590749259

[ashen wadi]

mfw soulslikes aren’t even that hard

[drifting cliff]

Is this a real quote

Doesn't Miyazaki run through each of their games just before launch to check the difficulty, but he's cheeks at video games so it can't be too hard for him to not beat

[midnight oasis]

I stole it from a youtube video from a guy who exclusively glazes Dark Souls 2. Probably

[drifting cliff]

Wait

I want to watch this video

[midnight oasis]

If Domo3000 has no fans, I am no longer alive 🔥
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EEu90Ra8MM

With bangers like

[drifting cliff]

New joat

Sorry Pogobro

[midnight oasis]

don't say that

[drifting cliff]

There can only be one...

[midnight oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/only-one-there-can-only-be-one-funny-car-mean-cat-cat-attack-gif-12213614

[drifting cliff]

Holy crap the examples they use for DS1 artificial difficulty are peak

Half of them are easy segments of the game

[midnight oasis]

DS1 artificially inflates the difficulty by being boring

[drifting cliff]

Holy true...

They never bothered to link the interview they're quoting from, despite the fact that Miyazaki has done dozens of interviews about the game

This guy might be the peakest of all peaks

[midnight oasis]

https://www.psu.com/news/dark-souls-completely-different-to-demons-souls-world-and-story/

where did blud even find this

[drifting cliff]

I tried to search Edge mags, since that was their source, but that was when I found out there were numerous Edge interviews done on Demon Souls, DS1, and DS2

[oblique turret]

BRO HOW MUCH DOES HORNET HAVE HP 😭

[bronze acorn]

Not too much I don’t rhino

*think

😭

[midnight oasis]

guh

[oblique turret]

I SHOT LIKE 10+ OF THESE WHITE BEAMS OR WHATEVER THEYRE CALLED

SHES UNSTOPPABLE 😭

[midnight oasis]

you almost got it

Try a couple more times

[oblique turret]

nah atp ima go to sleep its 2am for me lol

[midnight oasis]

c ya

[brave blaze]

How much you wanna bet he’s gonna beat it in the morning

The hornet boss fight I mean

[drifting cliff]

I spent like 30 minutes trying to find the original interview but this Edge Magazine hasn't been electronically preserved (from what I can see) so this quote might be taken incredibly out of context for all we know but we just have this random fucking article to go off of

[midnight oasis]

Does it matter Dark Souls sucks

[drifting cliff]

It matters because I have a great and strong desire to see how much they're bullshitting

[midnight oasis]

Domo wouldn't do that 🥹

[drifting cliff]

Yea maybe you're right

[steel wyvern]

You're telling me this guy fried this rice?

[narrow nexus]

he fried the rice?

[late stirrup]

bugs fighting

[supple tangle]

There was a forum in 2014 that said steve from Minecraft had a son named Cubert

[polar tiger]

Turn down for what

[vast dock]

Shimp fied ice

[polar tiger]

Turn down for what

[split moss]

would yall still love me if i told you i technically pirated hk💔

[midnight oasis]

No

But thats because I have zero clue who you are

[austere spindle]

I hvae no ieda if I cuold get a srtoek, smees unilkely for tihs to hpapen to me. mbaye it's a you plorebm wtih yuor iniabilty to uesrdnatnd the egilnsh lnaguage and cmomon wdros

[split moss]

i understood all that,

[brave blaze]

you have such a way with words

[split moss]

beautiful poetry

i was waiting for someone to say that lmao-

[junior ocean]

to show support for lgbtq+

[split moss]

no comment

[junior ocean]

why not

yes those are the colours associated with lgbtq+

[delicate badge]

yo anika :D

[junior ocean]

it isnt a rainbow either 🐊

[junior ocean]

its missing several colours

[gusty panther]

another one bites the dust

[paper vapor]

oh wow what happened

was it like abt me or smth

that guy sent 0 new messages i think

[gusty panther]

smth about hk logo

[young otter]

I just watched someone get brutally murdered by the mods for questioning the server icon

yikes

[split moss]

hilarious

[junior ocean]

@delicate badge did u ban them 😭

[delicate badge]

the guy that sent NSFW emote?

that was not me

[gusty panther]

kek

[delicate badge]

that was throw

[paper vapor]

ooooh ir was an emote

[gusty panther]

i didnt see the last bit

[young otter]

there was an emote?

hmm

[junior ocean]

idk ab that, but just from this chat it seemed they were banned for asking abt the icon

[young otter]

yeah that's what I walked in on

[delicate badge]

that was a warn

[junior ocean]

what 😭

[young otter]

only partially banned

[paper vapor]

wha thow

[junior ocean]

i think ppl should be allowed to genuinely ask abt the icon without a warn

[delicate badge]

yep

[gusty panther]

maybe they asked too much

[junior ocean]

they didnt, they just asked why its rainbow

[young otter]

it is a bit weird...

[gusty panther]

maybe if they stopped at "why?" they wont get warned idk

[steel wyvern]

lgtbq? yep. you're banned.

[paper vapor]

that guy did not seen queerphobe to me but

shit idk

[young otter]

yeah that's how it goes these days

[merry perch]

dude i js wanted to but a helluva plushie why he looks like that

[steel wyvern]

i told him that the reason why the server has the lgtbq pfp was to lure out homophobes and he sent a sticker telling me to "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!"

[drifting cliff]

They hate you

[young otter]

LMAO

[paper vapor]

its hb

they do not gie a fuck LMAO

[paper vapor]

ah 😭

[young otter]

so basically ratted himself out

[paper vapor]

thas chill

[junior ocean]

that isnt bad tho

[young otter]

the truth is that the santa hat is permanent too

[junior ocean]

[young otter]

next halloween they'll add bats to the icon

[split moss]

i think the hk discord server accepts lgbtq+ guys

[young otter]

it does!?

[split moss]

possibly, ive been pondering so.

[gusty panther]

is this real or fake chat????

[young otter]

why didn't anyone tell me!?!?

[split moss]

FAKE

[young otter]

:O

[split moss]

tumbler 2018 blog

[young otter]

I've been tricked

[gusty panther]

its joever

see you in 2077

[split moss]

the colors are actually the color code for the word "NETHER"

this is actually the minecraft discord

youve all been fooled

imbeciles.

[paper vapor]

no this actually means smth smth demons

[gusty panther]

its a minecraft server filled with bugs !!!

[paper vapor]

which i fw heavy i think we need to make the progress flag more interesting

and more mindfucky

[split moss]

thats enough effects bro 🙏

[peak quest]

OK What the heck this is Getting ridiculous

[ashen wadi]

needs more dragons look at the welsh flag

[split moss]

GUYS I HAVE A THEORY

the hollow knight discord server....

[steel wyvern]

ponder

[split moss]

LIKES THE GAME HOLLOW KNIGHT

[ashen wadi]

wrong hollow knight sucks

[steel wyvern]

@ starpengu

[split moss]

based

[steel wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona-fans-bad-game-persona-is-bad-midsona-gif-26169431

[split moss]

hate that game thats why i pirated it

[steel wyvern]

pretend that says hollopw knight

[split moss]

neatwheat pls give me my urethra back

[steel wyvern]

What.

[split moss]

im begging you cudi

looks like im not getting it today sigh

its okay #zotegamers we will thug it out

[sturdy galleon]

hk itself has lgbtq+ guys

[paper vapor]

this hard or no

[steel wyvern]

you forgot the skull and two swords clashing together

[merry perch]

does anyone want to play this with me? im bored asf

[paper vapor]

SWAGEVER DUDE

[steel wyvern]

but yes it is hard

[ashen wadi]

Definitely an upgrade

If your progress flag can’t give three boomers heart attacks it’s not doing its job

[paper vapor]

any other things i need to add

[humble maple]

yo

sonia

or anyone

wanna hop into a call

im lonely

[steel wyvern]

[vast shadow]

cool bike helmet

[merry perch]

y this looks like some 2014 average post

(fire tho)

[merry perch]

like those "like a boss" edits

[paper vapor]

😭 😭 😭

[steel wyvern]

this image incapsulates how it feels to be lgtbq around lgtbq people

[static rose]

Had these guys for about 2 years and a half but finally put them up (in my own room) today

[junior condor]

that looks.... nah nevermind

[vast shadow]

?

[junior condor]

Kinda looks like Hera

[valid escarp]

ohmygod i beat outer wilds for the first time

i think that shit is the best game i've ever played

that game is fcking art

holy hell

im crying

[remote rampart]

is it easier to play on pc or console

[valid escarp]

whatever is convenient for you

thats the answer

i find both to be about equal difficulty in general

[steel wyvern]

play on pc so that you can get mods if you're interested

[vast shadow]

i mean duh

thats why i sent it in the hk discord

[vast shadow]

sorry that was rude

[gleaming minnow]

man I'm going to hate Deep Darkness

Worst section in Earthbound imo

Even worse than Cave of the Past (the endgame section)

[merry vortex]

deep dark? minecraft reference?

[oblique turret]

my ahh got spoilered by hunters journal

[north basin]

Frog

[oblique turret]

🐸

[midnight void]

Oh no

UltraCheese played Ultrakill whole ultraday

[hot dune]

W

[midnight void]

Wow

Do you have Jevil?

Oops

That's correct image

[ruby basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-yay-knight-clash-knight-coc-gif-25371570

[oblique turret]

what mode

[tawdry laurel]

Guys what is ur faivorite place NAME in hallownest and why?

[wispy onyx]

G O R B

that's it, there's no other valid answer

oh wait you said place

well this is awkward

https://tenor.com/view/antonblast-satan-antonblast-satan-i-gotta-out-here-goodbye-chat-gif-4891318243635258206

[tawdry laurel]

Mine is forgotten crossroad😍

The name have aloot of lore

How its the way to reach mostly anyplace in the hallownest

Prolly only the ancinet pastion and deepnest if am sure

So it why it deserve the crossroad name and how it got forgoten like the rest of hallownest

[gaunt coyote]

City of Tears. They could have called it Rain City or just called it what it is like greenpath or fungal wastes, but they came up with a good name that befits the area. I also just love city of tears XD

[tawdry laurel]

I also love it but i hate how bignis it

I always get lost if i dont have the compass charm in it

[gaunt coyote]

You're newer to the game, I assume? No offense, it's just I know my way around pretty well, but I had the same problem when I was newer.

[midnight oasis]

If there was an earplugs charm I would never take it off tbh

Boss roaring is too annoying

[cosmic yoke]

lol

hehe

le cat

[dull oracle]

ME!!!

[gaunt coyote]

We all have that one homie whos just this

We all are occasionally

theres the one guy who's just terminally stupid

Terminally silly

It's not as cool as ultrakill makes it sound

still a good thing to read it tho

[midnight oasis]

ULTRAKILL makes the bible sound cool?

[gaunt coyote]

Yes

absolutely

[ashen wadi]

just skip the middleman and read dante's inferno

[calm mural]

Guys radiant nkg keeps touching me

[thorn bolt]

@delicate badge when new nickname :D (HappyWithNoNewYear lol)

[round flume]

do any of yall have customknight maker experiance cause im trynna make a skin and the program is trying its hardest to not let me rn

it wont show animations, even if i hit the load animations button, and if i try to pack the files it crashes the app

[steel wyvern]

#1057825333841240104

[round flume]

oh mb

[atomic basin]

are you having trouble with the boss?

[calm mural]

yes

and radiant markoth too

fuck these guys

[atomic basin]

ok so im gonna blow your mind

gimme 1 sec

@calm muralok so if you would please consult the graph.
this is the arena for the boss that is divided visually into 4 quarters, and you have to stay on either of those aforementioned spots, that way he ONLY spawns at the middle of the arena

[calm mural]

NKG RIGHT ?

oop caps

[atomic basin]

yep

nkg

[calm mural]

hmm

[atomic basin]

markoth is a different beast tho

[calm mural]

i cant even get to his radiant yet...

[atomic basin]

there's like 2 strats you can use on him

[atomic basin]

ikr, that's how it works with BS and difficult bosses

at some point you're gonna no hit them and realize that everthing is so easy now it's boring

[calm mural]

i wish

[atomic basin]

just stop thinking abt it and spam the retry

it's really not that deep in hollow knight

[frozen bolt]

they know

[faint mirage]

Guys i wish for a 2025 in wich we dont go crazy over silksong, either we give up on it, or it comes out whatever happens frist

[hollow nest]

2025 is gonna be the year for Silksong, trust 🙏

[faint mirage]

It has been said for the last 5 years man idk what to trust

[hollow nest]

You need to trust me

And all of the fake leakers

[faint mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-gif-18866561

[calm mural]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@atomic basin

[atomic basin]

gg

[atomic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[calm mural]

now thats beautiful

[atomic basin]

are you using charged attacks on grimms?

bcs i ONLY fight both of them with charged ones

[junior condor]

Impressive. I kinda use the same strat with nail masters glory since the fight becomes very easy to read once you learn the telegraphs

[calm mural]

no

no charged attacks

[brave blaze]

absolute cinema

[chrome hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/pale-king-hollow-knight-gun-gif-27385612

[supple tangle]

W ultrakill pfp

[midnight oasis]

Ultraugly more like

[wary vale]

all it took him was to not buy buzzsaws of an enough amount to not empty his budget

[paper vapor]

this still sucks

[vestal finch]

Quick tip; watch scissor seven

[midnight oasis]

for trams

goes hard in limbo

[fluid widget]

SHE CAME

REEEEE

[remote rampart]

can i connect controller to my pc for this game?

[fresh solar]

The eyes need to be lower smh

[narrow nexus]

plush.

[odd valve]

hi chat

im new here

can someone tell me how to enter the general 2 voice channel?

[undone chasm]

#support-and-faq

[odd valve]

oh thx

[austere spindle]

I do :3

[fluid widget]

I was happy

And now I’m pissed

Because that’s not the original plush

[lone thistle]

I made a 3d printed sharp shadow

[wheat field]

[worn cypress]

WWWW

guys, what do yalls think of sharp shadow

I know some nerds like hating on it cuz it's "losing you dps" 🤓

but it's just stupid, you sharp shadow through the boss to dodge anyways

[wheat field]

[p1]

[worn cypress]

so if you played the way you normally would, you aint losing any dps ;-;

[wheat field]

[Pantheon_of_the_master]

i forgot the commands gg

[worn cypress]

W

sharp shadow goated

[ashen wadi]

You very rarely do that

You pogo

[fluid hazel]

It's not that it loses you dps, it's that you move further now, so the move you tried to dodge you now have to over correct

[ashen wadi]

It does lose dps

[fluid hazel]

You can just overcharm, what combination are you losing by having on sharp shadow? Strength and shaman can also fit with sharp shadow

[ashen wadi]

And maybe soul idr if ss gives soul

[fluid hazel]

It does not

[ashen wadi]

Strength shaman quick slash spell twister

And once you have strength sshadow is pure damage loss

[fluid hazel]

Okay but if you use narts instead of spamming it's not a loss

[ashen wadi]

You can’t pogo with a nart

And spamming with qs is better

Narts are only really useful when you’re forced not to spam for a little while as the boss repos

And probably some cyclone windows

[worn cypress]

erm 🤓

for a casual player, dodging with sharp shadow is easier than pogoing

dash is just one input, pogo is multiple +you need a faster reaction speed and react before the attack

with sharp shadow you can react even after the attack

for example, pure vessel

his attack where he dashes straight you can just dash through it

[ashen wadi]

Skissue ig

[worn cypress]

his attack where he does the 3 slashes

you can just dash through it

[young otter]

well remember that you can still shade dash without sharp shadow

[worn cypress]

the attack where he shoots out a shit ton of nails around everywhere

you can just dash through it

[ashen wadi]

Instead of using sharp shadow you should learn the fight

[worn cypress]

and ik you normally do that

[paper vapor]

Sshadow has like

[worn cypress]

but with sharp shadow you end up closer to the boss

and faster

[paper vapor]

3 uses

but is goated for all 3

[worn cypress]

it's broken for traitor lord

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[paper vapor]

not that one

[worn cypress]

but yeah that's about it 😦

[ashen wadi]

It’s not even broken for traitor lord

Pogo still better

[worn cypress]

erm yes it is 🤓

nuh uh 🤓

I refuse to be wrong, let me be delusional 🤓

[midnight oasis]

Traitor Lord is a bad boss that you shouldn't fight regularly

[worn cypress]

yes but it's harder +you don't get the hit in

[worn cypress]

well yeah but

it's just an example

[young otter]

it's unwise to rely on sharp shadow for damage

[worn cypress]

yeah I'm not relying on it

[paper vapor]

I’m not sure if I would call dashing through triple slash hard

[worn cypress]

I'm just taking it a little bit

[worn cypress]

harder*

I never said it's hard

[ashen wadi]

It’s easy either way, and suboptimal

[worn cypress]

yes but it's easier to fuck up and get that hit for 2 masks

[ashen wadi]

Pogoing that attack is also very easy

[worn cypress]

and if you're doing bindings for shell then womp womp half your hp now gone

[ashen wadi]

It’s a very safe attack

[worn cypress]

cuz of a silly mistake cuz you're stressed 🤭

[ashen wadi]

Sshadow doesn’t help with those

[worn cypress]

it does

[ashen wadi]

If you fuck up the timing on triple slash sshadow won’t help you

[worn cypress]

well

[ashen wadi]

If you do it too late you did it too late

[young otter]

the distance increase is pretty minor

[paper vapor]

Ok it isn’t minor tho

[worn cypress]

yes cuz if it was bigger then it would be unusable

see

people complain

that it's too long

and some that it's not even long

like what do you want ;-;

[ashen wadi]

It being different is a problem moreso than how much it’s different by

[worn cypress]

well just get used to it ig

[paper vapor]

ehhhh

[worn cypress]

like how I am supposed to get used to pogoing every attack I sharp shadow through

cuz you can't get used to 5 pixels longer dash

[young otter]

regular shade dash through enemy, turn around, swing nail

[paper vapor]

my problem with sshadow is just how insubstantial it ends up being

[ashen wadi]

Or don’t use a charm with basically no advantage that makes your dash length inconsistent

[paper vapor]

but that dash distance is admittedly not short

[young otter]

yeah the damage isn't a lot

[paper vapor]

like u get distance from that shit

[midnight oasis]

head got stuck in jelly block 💔

[paper vapor]

and getting used to it isn’t the problem either

the problem is just how useless it ends up being most of the time in vanilla

that’s my perspective as someone that uses sshadow to map and also for sunset radiance

[worn cypress]

I mean

everybody should play however they want imo

[paper vapor]

well not useless

more so

obsolete? Is that the right word

[ashen wadi]

You can play with charms that aren’t practical if you want

[worn cypress]

I just don't like when people start arguing that it's 'dps lost' and that I should just pogo ;-;

[ashen wadi]

But that doesn’t make them not impractical

[worn cypress]

yes pelase

I played with wayward compass on radiant nkg

no joke

💀

[ashen wadi]

… ok?

[worn cypress]

what else was I supposed to put there

grubsong?

[ashen wadi]

You’re the one who brought up sshadow claiming it was useful in ways that it isn’t.

[midnight oasis]

holding out the map so you get just the right speed to dodge flame pillars

[serene spruce]

I've done that before 💀

[worn cypress]

I wouldn't claim that it is useful if it wasn't

I have used it

I have radianted pure vessel with it

twice

I have radianted traitor lord with it

and a couple other bosses

[ashen wadi]

If you don’t care if it’s good more power to you but arguing that it’s good then falling back to ‘why won’t people just let me play how I want to play’ when you get refuted is dishonest and bad faith

People have radianted everything with no charms at all

[worn cypress]

I use it for travelling through the map (for example getting to godhome after doing a silly thing outside of it)

cuz you just go a tiny bit faster

[ashen wadi]

Doesn’t make no charms at all practical

[worn cypress]

yes it obviously isn't practical and they know it

but for me using sharp shadow was practical and helped a lot

[ashen wadi]

It was less effective than other options

[midnight oasis]

quickslash fans

[worn cypress]

and no honestly, I don't care I'm gonna use it when I want to use it anyways

[ashen wadi]

You choosing to play suboptimally is fine but it’s suboptimal

[ashen wadi]

Ok then why even argue the point if you don’t care

Nobody’s saying you can’t use it

[worn cypress]

I wanna see your opinion on why it isn't practical

so that I can educate myself

[midnight oasis]

1 nail damage

Not affected by strength

[worn cypress]

nobody uses it for the damage alone ;-;

[paper vapor]

and you don’t use it for damage if you do use it

not damage alone

Damage period

[serene spruce]

but it is affected by dashmaster

[worn cypress]

omg yes dashmaster

[midnight oasis]

But with a few exceptions the dash length is inconsequential

[paper vapor]

and the dash length is mostly useless in vanilla

[worn cypress]

best combat charm

[paper vapor]

you don’t use that combo for dmg

[ashen wadi]

Ah yes throwing away more notches

[worn cypress]

I like the dash being a little bit longer

[paper vapor]

ok dmaster is legitimately good

that shit is movement op

it’s good

[worn cypress]

well for traversing the map it's good

[paper vapor]

no no

bosses

[worn cypress]

I don't see it being used in combat though

but that may be cuz I'm a casual player

who doesn't play modded

yet

idk in vanilla I never used dashmaster for combat

ik you can like

[ashen wadi]

Nothing vanilla really benefits from it other than maybe idk soul master dive spam bit

[worn cypress]

dash slash down with it

and like

dash a bit more often

but that's about it I think?

dashing downwards isn't that useful either

to me at least

[paper vapor]

In vanilla that’s not my issue

[worn cypress]

it's almost the same speed as just falling

[paper vapor]

Mostly that you don’t have to do much shit in vanilla period

[midnight oasis]

[paper vapor]

but that downdashing is great for a spotdodge and I think

dmaster serves a similar purpose to Sbody where you can better control ur character

and that shit is too good

[ashen wadi]

Eh

[paper vapor]

The place where dmaster like gets to use all its properties is

sunset rad

[midnight oasis]

sbody isn't great either

[paper vapor]

that boss is fucking built for that charm

[midnight oasis]

its QoL

[worn cypress]

sbody is alright

[paper vapor]

oh wow

[ashen wadi]

Sbody is good if you’re very good at qs

[paper vapor]

that is a sentence I have not seen in

[worn cypress]

I saw actually skilled people using it

[paper vapor]

4+ years

[ashen wadi]

For most people sbody is going to be fine

[worn cypress]

like well

really well

I'm not that skilled though

it's good for the uhh

soul warrior bitch

you can bully him so hard with quick slash and sbody

[ashen wadi]

Also for less experienced players sbody can be a liability since it makes it easier to walk into enemies

[worn cypress]

yeah

I never used sbody so I'm just used to walking straight into enemies

[midnight oasis]

qslash is good for soul warrior but I really enjoy using narts for him

[worn cypress]

and when I suddendly equip it, I need a bit to get used to not do that

[ashen wadi]

The most fun way to fight soul warrior is obliterating him with spells

But that’s a lot of fights

[worn cypress]

I like bullying him with my nail in a corner :p

he can't do shit

oh and occassional shade souls ig

they hit for 2 sometimes

when his dumbass jumps away

[paper vapor]

https://youtu.be/RPTJOixFZ-M?si=frlynwwvC4o70BNa

[worn cypress]

but yeah erm the convo was about dashmaster so 🤓

Idc about that -0.02dps decrease man

[paper vapor]

like I think dmaster dodging is fucking crazy but it does not matter in vanilla because everything is easily dodgeable with like 2 inputs

[worn cypress]

I prefer dodging a bit easier

[worn cypress]

real

I just suck ass

[paper vapor]

but in sunset like

[worn cypress]

I haven't even done P5 yet btw

[paper vapor]

holy shit that charm is too broken

[worn cypress]

I have radianted everything other than abs rad though

[paper vapor]

modded bosses in general I feel

[worn cypress]

well yeah erm it's 1am so I'm just gonna go away from my computar and lay down ig brb

[proper ledge]

How many possible do a ai for hk?

[ashen wadi]

what

[proper ledge]

Bot which plays in hk, like TAS, but with true random

[worn cypress]

Okay, I have done more research

Sharp shadow is helpful in traversing the map (NOT platforming like queens gardens or white palace) since you go faster and can dash through enemies just ignoring them

And in a couple of bosses

Like

Mantis lords/sisters of battle, traitor lord, watcher knights, pure vessel, nightmare king grimm and sly

Possibly a couple of others but these are the ones where it helps the most

It may decrease your dps, but keep in mind, it's just 1 singular input

[ashen wadi]

100% copium

[worn cypress]

And it deals damage on top of that

[worn cypress]

Real

I just wanted to prove my points a lil more vro ;-;

[worn cypress]

It's just 2 charm notches and significantly helps dodging in those bosses (if it doesn't help to you, idc, it helps to me so it doesn't 'ruin my whole point')

So erm 🤓

It's a good charm

It won't always be good, it's pretty situational

[ashen wadi]

it really isn't helpful for any of those bosses

[worn cypress]

Bruh

[ashen wadi]

all of them are super easy to pogo

pogoing is safer and easier

[worn cypress]

Bruh

[serene spruce]

how is sly easy to pogo?

[ashen wadi]

sly you don't pogo sly you just smack and dash away

which doesn't really get enhanced by sshadow

[worn cypress]

I can agree with you on mantis lords and sisters of battle

And nkg

[harsh nymph]

i love hollow knight

[worn cypress]

These are actually quite easy to pogo

[ashen wadi]

pv, wk are very easy to pogo

[worn cypress]

But for example, sisters of battle you shadow dash through them anyways, so dealing damage on top of that and being a bit safer (cuz it's faster and you end up further away) is worth it imo

[ashen wadi]

you don't shadow dash through sob

and pogo timing is way more generous

and doesn't expend a cooldown resource

[worn cypress]

Nkg's fire pillar attacks sometimes leave you stuck on one side of the arena without being able to deal damage. With sharp shadow you can dash through him for one hit and then hit him once or twice again with your nail

[worn cypress]

Erm yes you do

[ashen wadi]

no you dash through a pillar after baiting them to the wall you don't dash through nkg if you're dashing through nkg on pillars you fucked it up

[paper vapor]

Ok u SOMETIMES dash through but it’s not enough to invest in sshadow

[worn cypress]

When you get a shit ton of attacks from the top of the arena

Like the straight down ones

[paper vapor]

And u can also just sshadow dash into the corner and get telefragged

[ashen wadi]

you hitt hem when they hit the ground

[worn cypress]

I do that a lot

[ashen wadi]

you don't shadow dash the drop attacks lmao

you just move out of the way then hit them when they land

[paper vapor]

Ggs

[worn cypress]

You sometimes have to vro 😭

[ashen wadi]

no you don't

[worn cypress]

Yes you do

Okay you don't "have to"

[paper vapor]

Ok note sometimes

[worn cypress]

But you don't have to do anything

[ashen wadi]

it's way dumber to try to shadow dash them

[paper vapor]

still not enough to invest in Sshadow I’d argue

[ashen wadi]

because... the attack comes from above not from a side

[worn cypress]

True

[worn cypress]

Dude

Are you being fr now or not

They sit right in front of you

With another one above you

[paper vapor]

the only ones I can like see the arguments for r wk and sly

[ashen wadi]

then you smack them

then walk away

[paper vapor]

wk exclusively in the damage context though

[ashen wadi]

...

wk you ddark anyways

which is way better

[worn cypress]

THE ARENA

ENDS

[ashen wadi]

you can't rely on sshadow for wk because their attack tempo is off

[worn cypress]

IT HAS SPIKESSS

ON BOTH SIDESSS

IT'S SMOLLL

YOU DASHH THROUGHHHH 😭

[ashen wadi]

yes there's one super specific scenario that almost never happens where you do it, that doesn't make it a significant strategy

you do understand what edge cases are?

you do that maybe once or twice per fight

very rarely need to

[worn cypress]

Yes but with sharp shadow you will find more spots to do that knowing it will deal some damage

[ashen wadi]

that's costing you damage because you shouldn't be doing that

[worn cypress]

It's a lot easier to be near the center of arena

[worn cypress]

Alr vro you're talking like you hit every nail swing possible

[ashen wadi]

you shouldn't be dashing through you should be hitting them

[worn cypress]

Maybe even do animation cancel for that 0.03s faster attacks

[ashen wadi]

not really no

[worn cypress]

Cuz you're 'losing damage'

[ashen wadi]

do you understand what attack windows are

[paper vapor]

also wawawa ddark is lame

for watchers I would just say you don’t need to do damage with rolls

and also you have the option to just like

[ashen wadi]

well yeah

[paper vapor]

spell the rolls

double hit roll and shriek bounce

[worn cypress]

Watcher knights are easy anyways

My biggest point is pure vessel and traitor lord really

[ashen wadi]

tl is easy

[worn cypress]

They deal double damage which hurts me in the ass ngl

[paper vapor]

I can’t say sshadow is bad in good faith because it’s hollow knight charms

but like

[ashen wadi]

pv has nothing where you should use sshadow

[paper vapor]

Sshadow is mostly obsolete in vanilla boss play

[worn cypress]

Hun, you don't see how I'm playing the game

[midnight oasis]

Alt f4 to close the game i think but if you want the end screen and achievement you have to wait

[ashen wadi]

it's not bad it's just that it's outclassed by other things and doesn't really give you any benefit

[worn cypress]

You can't tell me that there is 'nothing where you should use sshadow' if you haven't even given it a try

I know I have

[ashen wadi]

Yes I can

[worn cypress]

And there is no going back anymore, that shit makes it 5 times easier for me

[ashen wadi]

pogoing is easier safer and does more damage

[midnight oasis]

ya just wait like 2 minutes 😔

[worn cypress]

It's not safer

Why is it safer

[ashen wadi]

way more forgiving timing

[worn cypress]

You need to react a lot faster

[midnight oasis]

you can shade cloak later if you need it

[ashen wadi]

no you don't

[paper vapor]

and that’s kinda my point

ehh it gives benefit

It’s just

not worth it tbh

[worn cypress]

Yes it gets outclassed by other charms really often which is why it's useful for some specific bosses

It is a really good point to have and I totally respect that opinion

[midnight oasis]

Bosses you can pogo for the same amount of damage

[ashen wadi]

it's outclassed in those bosses too

[midnight oasis]

It is in fact suboptimal

[worn cypress]

However, when I see some people talking how it 'loses you damage' I just 💀

[ashen wadi]

they are correct

it does that

[paper vapor]

it’s also mostly outclassed for those bosses

Only boss I can see the value for is sly tbh

[worn cypress]

It isn't to me lol

[ashen wadi]

it never gives you a damage window and it squanders ones attacks already give you

[ashen wadi]

for sly sure maybe

that's the one

[paper vapor]

because admittedly sshadow for sly is really nice for getting you out of the corner

or preventative play

[worn cypress]

You still have attack windows?????????

[ashen wadi]

... no

instead of getting to pogo and follow up you're dropped a mile away from the boss having not gotten a full hit

[worn cypress]

If you go slightly further in the opposite direction before you dash, you end up really close to the boss

[ashen wadi]

it also stops you generating as much soul

[worn cypress]

Just turn around and smack it

[worn cypress]

True

[ashen wadi]

then you're eradicating your claimed benefit of larger dodge windows

you can't claim both of those things at the same time it's one or the other