hk-general

[ashen wadi]

save soul for last that's the only interesting one

[brave blaze]

what does the 63/63 stand for?

[vale horizon]

I did all the 63 achievements in the game

[brave blaze]

ohhhhhhh

thats epic sauce

[vale horizon]

Thanks !

[fervent nymph]

I ginuenly suck at the charms one

[brave blaze]

did you beat every pantheon with every binding

[brave blaze]

REAL

but it was worth it

[fervent nymph]

Fr

[vale horizon]

Thats the only thing left for me

[brave blaze]

RAAAAAGH

that last bit of lore

[vale horizon]

MAN IDK IF I CAN DO THAT,THE NAIL DEBUFF IS A SHOT IN BOTH OF MY LEGS it sucks !

[bronze acorn]

[fervent nymph]

This save file doesn't have three of the Pantheons with all the bindings done so i gotta do em again unfortunately

[ashen wadi]

honestly ab is pretty miserable

[brave blaze]

YOU CAN!!!!!

[ashen wadi]

bindings individually sure whatever most of them are uninteresting but they're doable

[brave blaze]

BELIEVEEEE

[brave blaze]

what does the ab mean?

[ashen wadi]

all bindings

[brave blaze]

at the same time?

[ashen wadi]

yes

[bronze acorn]

😎

[vale horizon]

I LL TRY, THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING !

[brave blaze]

HOW

[brave blaze]

YESSSSSSSS

[bronze acorn]

Uhhh

[brave blaze]

DEW IT

[ashen wadi]

p5 ab was not playtested

[vale horizon]

It will take a while, but i love this game and want to find every excuse to play it more so heh, why not give it a shot ?

[brave blaze]

so thats why its so absolurely difficult

[ashen wadi]

because collector in ab is the stupidest bullshit

[brave blaze]

JUST KEEP PRACTICING AND TRYING STRATEGISE AND YOULL GET DURTHER

[fervent nymph]

I'm doing the last binding i gotta do on p1 which is nail rn, luckily i did not embarrass myself and take damage to vengfly king

[ashen wadi]

nail is probably the easiest

just use spells and it doesn't even knock you down to nail 1 level

[fervent nymph]

Yeah

Spell build my beloved

[brave blaze]

but quick slash

so yummy

[fervent nymph]

Fr

Off topic, i remember in the past getting so good at failed champ I would just play em on ascended or radiant for fun, it was therapeutic for whatever reason

[brave blaze]

that was me with nkg

[fervent nymph]

Never fought the guy, i remember my sister struggling sm with nkg but I've just usually banished him because i didn't wanna fight him in Pantheons

[ashen wadi]

he'll be in the pantheon

[fervent nymph]

Dang

[brave blaze]

you gotta do him sadly

zote is the only avoidable biss

boss

[ashen wadi]

wdym sadly it's a good fight

[fervent nymph]

I'll burn that bridge when i get there

[bronze acorn]

https://youtu.be/aT0AoXOUXu8?si=7IYFhfJvYMYqZvOJ

[ashen wadi]

well it's better outside of godhome

[bronze acorn]

Hopefully this doesn’t count as self promotion

[ashen wadi]

and how much time did you have to spend fighting aspids for that to happen

[amber pendant]

Cap

🧢

[bronze acorn]

Aspids are one shot with great slash even in ab

[ashen wadi]

at least flukefey get one shot with nail binding

[amber pendant]

Cap 🧢

[ashen wadi]

they have 13 health

nail binding does 13 damage

[amber pendant]

Also cap 🧢

[amber pendant]

Even more cap 🧢

[ashen wadi]

oh you think you're being funny ok

good thing block button exists

[amber pendant]

Phew thank god

Mission accomplished 🙏

[ashen wadi]

actually for good measure <@&283547423706447872> harassing a user, probably should be aware since this person has a habit of it

[amber pendant]

I'm not even 💀

I was just saying cap 🧢🤦

This dudes getting mad at everything dawg what 😭

Where can I post a pic of my grandma

[bronze acorn]

Assuming your grandma is part of hk lore, #hk-lore

[amber pendant]

I wish bro

I just posted in #off-topic

[fervent nymph]

Augh died, i hate p1 no charms

[bronze acorn]

To who?

[fervent nymph]

Nail masters

Got to the second phase, got one Down then my inner damage tank took over and i screwed up

[amber pendant]

Y'all acting like the pantheons are hard 💀💀

[bronze acorn]

Hard is subjective

[fervent nymph]

Listen, charms are my crutch 😔

[bronze acorn]

I would say charm bind is the worst but mask bind exists

[fervent nymph]

It's embarrassing that i took four whole masks during the brooding mawlek fight

[amber pendant]

I haven't beaten the pantheons bro

I never tried tho so

[fervent nymph]

Yeah but with fragile heart it's bearable

[bronze acorn]

Oh right I forgor about charms

Ive been all bind pilled

😔

[fervent nymph]

Get back to me when you beat Pantheon 4

[fervent nymph]

Damn 😔

I need to go beat up false knight because of this loss

[bronze acorn]

Real

[amber pendant]

U ain't gotta call me out bro 💀

[fervent nymph]

Oh sorry, *if

[bronze acorn]

The hardest part of p4 is beating p3 to unlock it

[fervent nymph]

Yeah

[amber pendant]

That's worse 💀💀💀

[fervent nymph]

Exactly

[amber pendant]

Opposition #1 bro

Wait

Nvm

The doubter is opposition #1 💀

[fervent nymph]

Ayeee forgot to put on my charms and i beat false knight ascended hitless

[fervent nymph]

So I'm your number 2 opp

[amber pendant]

Yed

Nah jk ur chill

[fervent nymph]

Nice

[amber pendant]

Ur cool 🙏

[fervent nymph]

Oh

Thanks

Ur cool too

Ig

[amber pendant]

"omg Trojan ur so cool I love talking to you WOW how can I be as AMAZINGGG as you are!!?!???????!!!!??!?!?!" Oh idk man but thanks

[fervent nymph]

I am not associated with this person

[ornate orbit]

How the turntables

[agile pasture]

what the heck...

They went from enemies to friends...

[fervent nymph]

Enemies to friends to acquaintances

[agile pasture]

Whats the next step?

[brave blaze]

grief

or something

[fervent nymph]

Enemies again

[brave blaze]

the five stages of grief

denial sadness anger bargaining and acceptance or something

wait no

denial anger bargaining sadness acceptance

[ashen wadi]

order's jumbled yeah

that looks right

[fervent nymph]

Yeah

[brave blaze]

its not sadness its depression

i forgor

[fervent nymph]

I'm still going through these stages over ss

[brave blaze]

ive been in denial anger and bargaining for two years

[fervent nymph]

Real

Im in denial, bargaining and depression rn

My coping strategy is imagining my own Metroidvania game

[brave blaze]

guys… is the whopper fire?

[fervent nymph]

Yes

[ashen wadi]

light it on fire and the cough syrup might kill you

so yes?

[brave blaze]

it didnt let us put slab of charcoal but let us put cough syrup

[ashen wadi]

slab of charcoal sounds better

[fervent nymph]

Idk slab of charcoal with cough syrup on top sounds pretty fire imo

[primal robin]

oh I didn't noticed they used HK

[brave blaze]

what kind of controller is that

is this ai generated

[ashen wadi]

compact

[brave blaze]

thats like snes style in a way

pretty near

neat

[ashen wadi]

easier to carry around

[echo bobcat]

that controller is real??

[ashen wadi]

would be a weird thing to fake

[echo bobcat]

idk man ai is freaky

[primal robin]

it's a sega style controller

[steep nebula]

ai is sexy

[primal robin]

younglings

[fervent nymph]

Nuh uh

[steep nebula]

nuhuh

[ashen wadi]

well yeah but beyond that it does look to have substantial functionality

that would be a nice thing to have if you play on your laptop on the go

[primal robin]

it's the same size as any snes like controller.

[ashen wadi]

yeah

[primal robin]

made by 8bitdo as well.

[ashen wadi]

I'm not sayin it's unique it just looks nice to have

[primal robin]

it's surprisingly comfortable.

[ashen wadi]

key word surprisingly ig

[primal robin]

I never held a sega controller back then that's why.

[ashen wadi]

I guess it doesn't look that bad

[primal robin]

I got a white one.

[ashen wadi]

probably isn't very heavy either

[ashen wadi]

nice

[brave blaze]

my point exactly

[primal robin]

it isn't heavy, and that wired one could be even lighter without a battery.

[brave blaze]

i love snes like controllers

its an almost perfect controller

[brave blaze]

^

[ashen wadi]

I like my controllers a bit bigger and blockier but that's probably in part a disability thing

[brave blaze]

@primal robin sorry for the confusion i was referencing this message

[brave blaze]

thats understandable too

ps5 controller is so nice

[primal robin]

it's all right.

[high osprey]

My controller is literally

[brave blaze]

no way thats real

[ashen wadi]

that does look fun

[primal robin]

duke competitor

[pastel oracle]

I need that controller

[brave blaze]

big circle

if silksong isnt 10x harder than hollow knight imma be saddened

[ashen wadi]

It has some more complexity but the devs have said the goal is to be around the same difficulty

that being said the healing system means bosses can be way more aggressive

[brave blaze]

actually im content with rhat

i love learning combat or complex fighting styles in games

[fervent nymph]

As someone who strugged with false knight to the point of gamer raging when i first played.... Real

[brave blaze]

mastering complex or in depth fighting styles feels so cool

[fervent nymph]

Fr

[brave blaze]

me with watcher knights

i did them way too early and it cost

[ashen wadi]

I don't think ss will be super complicated but there are a few more moving parts

[fervent nymph]

Hate watcher nights, i always utalize the chandelier

[ashen wadi]

if you do want a metroidvania with more in depth combat though the prince of persia: the lost crown is great and it's coming out on steam in a few weeks

[brave blaze]

i imagine we will get a new form of pantheon too and boss rush stuff buzzah

[brave blaze]

REAL

[brave blaze]

actually i will check that out thank you for the recommendation

[fervent nymph]

I doubt hornet will be able to enter dream realms despite being able to be aware in them, but i do think we'll probably get a boss rush, or at least something like the coliseum trials

[ashen wadi]

if they do another boss rush I would hope they put a bit more thought into the whole thing, imo p5 could've used trimming

[brave blaze]

uumuu couldve certainly been done better

[ashen wadi]

I'm sure there will be a combat gauntlet area though we already see something that looks like an arena in trailers

uumuu is rough yeah

[fervent nymph]

Uumuu pantheon fight needs to be chucked into the abyss

[brave blaze]

uumuu is a drag in p5

[ashen wadi]

p5 also ends up with a lot of duplicates where you fight, for instance, bv then later down the line there's lk. just seems redundant

[brave blaze]

maybe like the ghost of quirrel instead of the jellies and just guve uumuu one more attack

[fervent nymph]

Yeah

[brave blaze]

soul master and soul tyrant are the biggest offenders of this because those fights can take an irrational amount of time

for me atleast

[bronze acorn]

They could have the full (actual) P5 be a bind option

[pastel oracle]

soul master and tyrant don’t really take that long

[fervent nymph]

Didn't they add tiso to the pantheon ||even if he died||, it's definitely reasonable to have quirrel in the uumuu fight

[ashen wadi]

or something like pop

[brave blaze]

he was a bit more of an easter egg

[fervent nymph]

True

[brave blaze]

soul tyrant sometimes is a bit of a drag for me

[fast sonnet]

I beat the game finally free

[pastel oracle]

that’s fine

[brave blaze]

awesome sauce!!!!!

[fervent nymph]

Nice!

[fast sonnet]

Though I only beat 81% of it. Is that normal?

[ashen wadi]

just to check what happened in the ending

[fast sonnet]

I skipped alot of deepnest

[ashen wadi]

yeah, if anything that's maybe a bit high

[brave blaze]

id say if this is your first play through yes

[ashen wadi]

hk has a lot of optional and missable stuff

[brave blaze]

you should certainly go back and explore more though theres alot of missed content

[fervent nymph]

Yeah, for a first playthrough that's about right

[fast sonnet]

Yea ima beat the coliseum

[brave blaze]

just to reiterate the doubters question, what happened in the ending?

[fast sonnet]

Maybe get the dream nail up. Only got it to 1200

[brave blaze]

ah i see

[ashen wadi]

👀

[brave blaze]

you should do that more

try to just wander around any missed areas

explore deepnest some more

even though its a pain

[fast sonnet]

||Boy becomes a orange eyed boy by sucking up orange goo from a tall man||

[brave blaze]

yeah that seems about right

[ashen wadi]

just as fair warning there is a good deal more game left so you might want to be careful if you care about spoilers

[fast sonnet]

I found deepness at 5 masks and like 6 notches. Explored it at 7 mask two orbs and 10 notches

That place terrified me I did everything else I could

[brave blaze]

i agree be careful for stuff like that here

its really easy to get spoiled

[agile pasture]

Arachnophobia?

[fast sonnet]

I might have it from my experience

[agile pasture]

Ah...

[ashen wadi]

that's understandable

[fast sonnet]

God I didn't kill a single enemy just in case they turned into a spider

[brave blaze]

deepnest is very claustrophobic too

[ashen wadi]

well if you beat the game you've probably done everything that's super important there, you shouldn't need to go back

[fast sonnet]

And the screen spiders were uncomfortable

[agile pasture]

And dark

[bronze acorn]

Deepnest is awesome because of the random breaking floors that lead to spikes

It’s funny

[ashen wadi]

[brave blaze]

i hated that

[ashen wadi]

deepnest is successful at what it set out to be I'll give it that

[fast sonnet]

I saw a honey area but couldn't find the entrance. Is it in deepnest?

[agile pasture]

Nope

Thankfully

[fast sonnet]

Thank god

[brave blaze]

BRO I WOULD MAKE IT PAST SPIKES AND BE AT THE END LIKE HAHA AND THE FLOOR WOULD BREAK TO MORE SPIKES AND ID GET HIT

[bronze acorn]

I love the one tunnel that is clearly designed to be wall jumped up but leads to a spike ceiling

Gets me every time

[agile pasture]

Just get explorin ig

[brave blaze]

i despise deepnest

[ashen wadi]

ok but that is really funny

[fast sonnet]

I turned into a speedrjnner the way I didn't stop moving in deepnest

[brave blaze]

and again be careful in the discord for spoilers

[agile pasture]

Deepnest is one of my favorite areas

I love the vibes

[bronze acorn]

I originally hated deepnest but have learned to appreciate it

[agile pasture]

I could build a summer home there

[bronze acorn]

Probably my favorite aswell

[fervent nymph]

Is it bad that i don't hate deepnest, it's mainly how easy it is to get lost that's annoying for me

[fast sonnet]

It does it job well. I just hate it's job

[ashen wadi]

exactly

[brave blaze]

its so vast

[fervent nymph]

Yeah

[brave blaze]

i wish there was that much exploring potential for my favorite atmosphere area in the game (bees)

[bronze acorn]

Bees

[fervent nymph]

The hive is fun, but i hate the big bees with a burning passion

[brave blaze]

me in deepnest

[fast sonnet]

Ima go do some coliseum runs. Cya

[ashen wadi]

at least hive is better than it was at launch

[brave blaze]

good luck 🙏

[fervent nymph]

Gl

[bronze acorn]

I am a hive hater

I’m sorry hive fans

[brave blaze]

why

what the frick

[ashen wadi]

I think it would be better if there wasn't a troupe flame there

[bronze acorn]

It’s really annoying to navigate and there’s barely anything to do in there

[brave blaze]

I KNOW

BUT

THE ATMOSPHERE

THE YELLOW

I LOVE IT

[bronze acorn]

true…

[brave blaze]

its so pretty and vibrant for such a gloomy game

[ashen wadi]

also luring the big bees to break a wall is a great interaction

[fervent nymph]

I love the hive aesthetics, i almost don't want to break the bench that's trapped in honey 💔

[brave blaze]

YES

!!!!!!

[brave blaze]

YESSSSSSSSS

[fervent nymph]

It's just so pretty

[ashen wadi]

I think hive was hit pretty hard by hk being rushed, they fixed it up a lot but there's only so much a patch job can do

[bronze acorn]

Pros:

Great boss
Bees
Breakable background elements

Cons:

Annoying
Big bees
Medium sized bees

[fervent nymph]

Exactly

[ashen wadi]

https://youtu.be/LGT-xH7R1CU the glow up is wild

[brave blaze]

this is silksong related but (spoiled just incase) ||isnt there gonna be that land of bones fire themed area that was meant to be in hk?||

[ashen wadi]

yeah

probably not the same layout or things in it but the concept is there

[bronze acorn]

I hope land of bees is in it aswell

[agile pasture]

Just like your mom

[brave blaze]

land of bees

bee world

[brave blaze]

my mok?

no

you made a spelling mistake

its over

[misty jacinth]

lmao

[agile pasture]

Fuck...

[bronze acorn]

Honey hive galaxy

Star vs pfp!!

[brave blaze]

if they made the hive its own full area, larger more content and bosses and changed the bg music itd be perfect

[fervent nymph]

Add this to the pros: the most gorgeous queen bee i have ever laid my eyes apon

[bronze acorn]

The third (fourth?) Hk game should be entirely bee based

[misty jacinth]

[ashen wadi]

vespa is a good character even if she gets very little in the way of actual lines

[bronze acorn]

You have clearly never visited honey hive galaxy

[fervent nymph]

Actually have

She's second

[brave blaze]

mario galaxy reference

[bronze acorn]

TRUE

[fervent nymph]

We have an old af wii downstairs we also have super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2

[bronze acorn]

I love Mario galaxy one

[fervent nymph]

Yuh

[bronze acorn]

I don’t remember 2 very much

I really hope it comes to switch at some point

[fervent nymph]

I loved the bowser fights in mario Galaxy 1

[brave blaze]

real

i agree

[fervent nymph]

Alr i gtg

[bronze acorn]

[fervent nymph]

It's late af here

[ashen wadi]

I doubt there will be too many more big titles coming to switch but ig if there's backwards compatibility with the next console it could happen

[brave blaze]

can we talk about how great the sisters of battle fight is

[bronze acorn]

(Af stands for attuned flukemarm)

[bronze acorn]

True but…

[ashen wadi]

it's a great way to do a ML refight

[brave blaze]

i love the fast pacing

[bronze acorn]

It feels a little too restrictive

[brave blaze]

thats the fun of it

you can never heal

[ashen wadi]

I do kind of prefer oro and mato as a multi fight since they both stay on the field

[brave blaze]

until you kill one

[brave blaze]

thats understandable

[bronze acorn]

You can heal during the wall throw I belive

I think?

[brave blaze]

no because one of them will stab from the sky

[ashen wadi]

you can in ml I don't remember what the 3rd does during that in sob

you might be able to sidestep and heal

[bronze acorn]

You might be able to dodge then heal

[brave blaze]

possibly if youre lucky

[bronze acorn]

I don’t remember tho

[brave blaze]

i love getting consistent hits and like locking in with their movements

it feels so cool

[bronze acorn]

Very similar to NKG actually

Imo

[brave blaze]

i can see that in a way

[misty jacinth]

theyre both like dances

[ashen wadi]

there is an appeal to that kind of hyper consistent fight

[echo bobcat]

does anyone here use blindrad

[ashen wadi]

it doesn't always feel the most naturalistic but the flow can be very good

[misty jacinth]

if u get hit once the tempo is ruined

unless u recover it back

[bronze acorn]

I definitely prefer it over the alternative (Markoth, Marmu, GPZ)

[ashen wadi]

well

not all bosses are like those

[brave blaze]

to me atleast i love the flowy feeling of getting in that chain

[bronze acorn]

Ig I meant opposite

[brave blaze]

on the other hand FUCK MARMU

GRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[ashen wadi]

yeah you don't want a fight that's too chaotic

[brave blaze]

REAL

[pastel oracle]

what

[misty jacinth]

lmao

[pastel oracle]

why is fluke there

[brave blaze]

wait is marmus mouth always open or is that its nose

[misty jacinth]

i think cus of the minions dying from 2 hits

[bronze acorn]

I was trying to do a run without spells (not including focus) or nail arts

On level one nail

[pastel oracle]

ohhh

lol

[bronze acorn]

3 💀

[ashen wadi]

isn't it just a few that have boosted health

[misty jacinth]

oh yeah

[brave blaze]

im so confused is marmus eyes the black dots or the white dots

[ashen wadi]

could be either

[brave blaze]

ive always looked at its eyes as the black dots and the dark bit below as its open gaping mouth

[ashen wadi]

on the bug she's based on the black spots are just spots

[brave blaze]

im seeing a whole other bug

this is scary

[pastel oracle]

wow that makes a lot more sense

[ashen wadi]

spoilered bc bug

[bronze acorn]

Ew

[pastel oracle]

ew i don’t like it looking at me

[dull oracle]

[brave blaze]

SO THATS NOT HER EYES

HER EYES ARE THE WHITE SPOTS

THATS SO TRIPPY

[bronze acorn]

[brave blaze]

that makes marmu worse i thought she was silly now shes serious and now the fight sucks more

[bronze acorn]

3 hits.

[ashen wadi]

I'm surprised you can put a dream gate there

[junior ocean]

TC says that this is true for marmu as well

[brave blaze]

well chat im gonna head to the sleeper because its late

[bronze acorn]

[brave blaze]

goodnight gamers

[ashen wadi]

I don't remember that but I'll take your word for it

[junior ocean]

in a stream when asked abt marmu, william said

puss moth caterpillar, so some like fake eyes, which you think in marmu are its actual eyes

[pseudo quartz]

chat is this rizz?

w gyat

[misty jacinth]

[ashen wadi]

tbh I'm not sure how definitive that is

[junior ocean]

wdym

[misty jacinth]

so close to 10 mil

[junior ocean]

ig william said think so u can interpret it as true/false

[ashen wadi]

design inspiration doesn't always carry over exactly and if he's talking about the real bug that influenced it I'm not sure he's necessarily saying it's true of marmu

[junior ocean]

[ashen wadi]

it would be really funny if weavers were always upside down though

[junior ocean]

is it not like implicature tho

[ashen wadi]

It certainly puts it on the table

[junior ocean]

if only mossbag asked TC a good question instead of abt the grub instructions

[ashen wadi]

They wouldn’t answer

[junior ocean]

true

once someone asked TC if grimm wears a mask or not and they said they cant answer that

[ashen wadi]

Shrouds himself in form dreamed ig

Not a literal mask ofc

The more interesting question isn’t does he wear a mask

It’s would mask maker say he does

[junior ocean]

[ashen wadi]

Honestly it’s criminal that mm doesn’t talk about the troupe

It would be perfect

[junior ocean]

maybe.
most of his dialogue is abt hallownest/PK tho

and his knowledge of masks is dubious imo

[brave herald]

He would have zero clue about the Troupes' existence

[ashen wadi]

They could for sure handwave that

MM knows plenty of weird shit he doesn’t have a reason to

He has no reason to know what vessels are

It wouldn’t strain belief for the weird guy who inexplicably seems to know shit to know a bit more shit

[junior ocean]

jiji knows a lot abt the troupe somehow too

[ashen wadi]

She’s able to tell they’re off and that they’re hiding their true forms but she doesn’t seem to know anything else

[junior ocean]

ya but i mean idk how jiji would know that

[ashen wadi]

Idk

Who knows what she’s seen

[junior ocean]

jiji peak

[brave herald]

Perhaps he was requested by thr PK and WL to make the masks for the vessels so it wouldn't be too out of the question that he knows them

[junior ocean]

im not a big fan of jiji's location tho

[ashen wadi]

Vessels don’t wear masks

[ashen wadi]

I guess it could be more convenient

[junior ocean]

yea its in a pretty bad spot, so youll often never use it unless ur already by a stag ig

the concept of it is mid too imo

[ashen wadi]

To plagiarize from Grover jiji would be better if she was a consumable in your inventory

[ashen wadi]

Eh

Especially when you have some bullshit shade spawns with some bosses you need that function

Costing a key is kinda dumb

[junior ocean]

ya compared to the other uses for it at least

TC L 😔

[ashen wadi]

Simple keys are used very strangely in general

I am looking forward to seeing what lessons tc learned from HK in the next game

That’s always an interesting thing to contrast

[junior ocean]

the simple key description is kinda silly imo. like it suggests there is a place where they were mass produced

[lime zodiac]

i think it would be less weird if there were 1 or 2 more simple key spots that were actually useful

[junior ocean]

rose sighting?!!

[ashen wadi]

Definitely

[junior ocean]

most of HK's issues were due to time/budget

[ashen wadi]

Some are

I wouldn’t say most

[junior ocean]

and experience ig

[junior ocean]

overworld is largely fine.
maybe im too used to only playing godhome 😔

[ashen wadi]

I have some issues with overworld, some enemy design feels pretty questionable

I also don’t think the shade system contributes very much

[paper vapor]

like eveyrthing in the game

[ashen wadi]

There’s also some very strange boss pacing at times

Like bv and tl

[junior ocean]

imo it should reduce your vessel to 1 cast instead of 2

when u die

[ashen wadi]

I don’t think that would help with much of anything

Just make the death run backs even more frustrating

[junior ocean]

thats the plan

[ashen wadi]

And cause more currency wipes which aren’t really deserved

You don’t really want that

[junior ocean]

its an attempt to fix the poor geo system 😔

[lime zodiac]

what's wrong with the geo system

[ashen wadi]

Geo’s fine

[junior ocean]

too much of it

way too much geo relative to the cost of stuff methinks

[ashen wadi]

You run out of things to buy fairly quickly but to some extent that’s just HK not being that big a game

[lime zodiac]

imo geo is a near perfect economic system

[junior ocean]

[ashen wadi]

Plus you can’t make the economy super tight or people newer to the genre who die a lot would get fucked over pretty bad

[junior ocean]

rainworld reference

[ashen wadi]

I don’t think karma is a very good system

Didn’t they even make it optional

Like you can just turn it off

[junior ocean]

[ashen wadi]

I should have a list of my HK complaints on hand maybe tomorrow I’ll make one

[junior ocean]

[ashen wadi]

If it was an extremely long list I wouldn’t bother

[junior ocean]

true

surely the list will be peak

[lime zodiac]

tc patched all the fun glitches

[ashen wadi]

They must hate fun

[junior ocean]

they should have added

[ashen wadi]

?

Oh it’s anyrad

[junior ocean]

any radiance 😄

[ashen wadi]

How was I supposed to know she looks the same

[junior ocean]

maybe not anyrad but i think absolute radiance should have been a tad harder

ik its at the end of a 35+ minute challenge

[ashen wadi]

I do wish absrad was more transformative

[junior ocean]

me when team cherry just speeds up the same boss again:

[ashen wadi]

And as the superboss too

For shame

[junior ocean]

silksong seems like it wont have that issue

[ashen wadi]

Well there is at least one refight

[junior ocean]

[ashen wadi]

It looks peak tho

It also has like different ranges iirc it’s not just sped up

But it’s also fine to do that a bit y’know

I liked hornet 1 and 2

[worldly junco]

it’s

[junior ocean]

ya im fine with refights if theyre done right

failed champion is literally just false knight, same with lost kin and soul tyrant

[ashen wadi]

This one looks promising and frankly might be worth it for the set piece alone

[lime zodiac]

failed champion is a good boss though

[junior ocean]

its

[junior ocean]

its so boring

[ashen wadi]

Failed champion cheese is very funny

[junior ocean]

i wonder if its intentional

[lime zodiac]

the thing with the re-fights is they're all better bosses than the original versions so its hard to hate them

[ashen wadi]

In no universe

[junior ocean]

surely it would be fixed tho

[ashen wadi]

I’m not sure it would be

[junior ocean]

probably not ig. TC failed to make strength effect nail arts so they gave up on adding that mechanic

[icy arrow]

me after hearing that The Devil from Cuphead is apparently one of the hardest boss in gaming: (ain't even the hardest boss in his game)

[fringe root]

Does anyone know how to use RandomCompanions?

[junior ocean]

cuphead

[ashen wadi]

Was that actually their intention and they couldn’t do it? I assumed that was intentional

[slate spire]

samba de amigo

[ashen wadi]

Narts with str would be crazy

[junior ocean]

TC wanted to make strength affect nail arts but everytime they tried to add it, stuff would break so ya it was originally their intention to add it

[lime zodiac]

do you think i could get an r5 run verified if i do it on 1568

[icy arrow]

by using it

[junior ocean]

its in some patches tho i think

[junior ocean]

u can try

[ashen wadi]

If they didn’t think to stipulate otherwise in the rules it’s fair game

[junior ocean]

hopefully TC learned how to balance stuff 🙏

[ashen wadi]

I hope so

[lime zodiac]

hopefully they didnt

i want a flukenest equivalent in silksong

[ashen wadi]

I think charms only really break down on subsequent playthroughs

[paper vapor]

yeah thats how i feel about a lot of hk's problems

[ashen wadi]

Even if tools are as fucked you might not notice in your first run through the game

[junior ocean]

yeah.
lots of ppl in the help channel have strange builds

[paper vapor]

it's a really good first playthrough game

its just that the more you play hk the more apparent the problems become

[ashen wadi]

Which tends to be the case with everything

There are not a lot of games where replaying over and over again makes you notice more and more strengths

[junior ocean]

terraria

[paper vapor]

yes but it's especially notable with hk imo

[ashen wadi]

For sure

For charms in particular imo the act of using outside resources also contributes to the problem

[junior ocean]

-#

[ashen wadi]

Knowing the numbers kinda reinforced the meta and discourages experimenting with things that just seem interesting

[lime zodiac]

#justiceforsoulcatcher

[ashen wadi]

HK really doesn’t let you under the hood and imo that’s good

[junior ocean]

soul catcher is peak

[ashen wadi]

I’ll never hate soul catcher

[lime zodiac]

i mean i think basically everyone figures out that strength/quickslash/mark of pride/quick focus are all really strong

[ashen wadi]

Sure

Eventually

But also only after finding them

And you might decide not to bother with fragile charms due to the drawbacks, and qs is pretty hidden

[amber pendant]

Where my hug at

[ashen wadi]

It’s definitely the case that a blind player could identify good charms but that’s different from like reading the wiki and knowing exactly which charms are exactly how good

There’s a pretty drastic difference there

[amber pendant]

Quick slash + long nail + mark of pride + dash master = op melee

[paper vapor]

w dmaster

[lime zodiac]

mark of pride is definitely a stand out among those, basically the second you equip it you realize how incredibly useful it is

[ashen wadi]

Yeah

[lime zodiac]

longnail should be gotten rid of and mark of pride should be decreased to like 20% extra range imo

[ashen wadi]

Eh

I think it’s fine as is

[lime zodiac]

idk how to balance spells because they're incredibly broken but almost no first playthrough actually uses them at all

[ashen wadi]

That’s a tricky one

[lime zodiac]

quick cast being a default button seperate from focus would definitely help

[ashen wadi]

I think spells sharing a pool with healing is always going to make players who aren’t somewhat confident in their ability to not get hit hoard

You’re thinking of soul in terms of heals in the bank not as a fluid resource

[paper vapor]

i think in terms of balancing spells are good

most of my problem with them comes from shamans

[ashen wadi]

They’re strong but it makes sense for them to be strong

[paper vapor]

but i think fireball and wraiths are really good

kill ddark iframes

[ashen wadi]

Ddark needs some iframes

[lime zodiac]

shriek needs a wider hitbox

more similar to wraiths

[ashen wadi]

If you can’t ground pound on an enemy why have a ground pound at all

[paper vapor]

i know it does but i dont know how you fix down spell without being able to abuse the shit out of ddark

[ashen wadi]

[paper vapor]

ddark iframes i mean i dont think theyre good

at all

[lime zodiac]

longer windup with no iframes

[ashen wadi]

You could consider making it something different entirely

[ashen wadi]

Maybe

But there would still be a good period of iframes and people will learn the timing

[lime zodiac]

although you risk making it feel clunky

[ashen wadi]

I mean it’s a slam

It can feel slow to launch

[lime zodiac]

dive needs a cooler animation, ddark has big shockwaves that make it look like its actually powerful

[ashen wadi]

I feel like I never actually use dive

It could have the particles from when sm uses it those look neat

I usually beeline for Ddark anyways though

After getting dive

[lime zodiac]

wraiths/shriek need the push pull thing to not exist and i think people would use them a lot more

[ashen wadi]

Maybe. Wraiths would still be the hardest spell to use though, and at least seem comparatively risky

[dull oracle]

Wraith is just to damn small

[lime zodiac]

wraiths is fine in terms of size, it could maybe be a little wider

i really think enemies getting pulled into you is the main reason people dont use it that much

[dull oracle]

Tbh I don't actually know the size because I always have shaman stone on

[lime zodiac]

shaman doesnt change the size of wraiths/shriek

[dull oracle]

I doesn't? I swear it feels bigger

[junior ocean]

only fireball

[fresh imp]

get shriek

[slate spire]

indeed

[dull oracle]

I will... but i cant yet

[fresh imp]

alright, gl getting it.

[slate spire]

good luck getting shriek

[dull oracle]

I just got Cdash It will take some time

[fresh imp]

how far in the game are yo__..__

[dull oracle]

I said

[fresh imp]

so crystal peak?

[dull oracle]

But its not my first playthrough

[fresh imp]

okay

[slate spire]

get shriek

doesn't matter

[dull oracle]

More like 6th

[dull oracle]

I WILL

[slate spire]

[fresh imp]

do you have wraith

[dull oracle]

No...

Idk why but every playthrough I just walk past it

[slate spire]

yeah but this time you are getting shriek first

[dull oracle]

I will get shreik today alright

[fresh imp]

great

[echo bobcat]

200 deaths in

feeling great lolol

gonna call it a night and sleep

[clever basin]

Kachow

[valid escarp]

YOOO my friend finally got claw

[rich jewel]

Chat im gonna get Minecraft again just to play that silksong addon

[glass crag]

Helloo

[valid escarp]

how do i fix my skill issue in noita

[wooden summit]

guys

is there some kind of a

HOLLOW KNIGHTIFY thumbnail extension for youtube?

like jambofy or matpatify?

[dense flame]

hi

[shy path]

I am a bit mad that i spent 3 hours doing POP to get the most lame animation.

Also hi

[upbeat ether]

Hi

[valid escarp]

zoteify

[thorny linden]

Guys I just lost my steel soul run to mantis lords 🥲

[ashen wadi]

F

[void raven]

Fn

[sinful sluice]

i just did soul tyrant on ps5 and when he went into second phase i used shade soul or something and got stuck in a flying state, ill try to find a clip of it

i still beat him later

[blissful tapir]

1 vessel, 42 infections, I seal infection for breakfast

[sinful sluice]

found it

[blissful tapir]

You gotta tell me that mod name

[sinful sluice]

kachow

thats not the mod name btw

[blissful tapir]

I got so much work to do 😭

[nimble rivet]

Should I cope for 55$?

[magic oar]

(Possibly Hollow Knight spoiler)
||Hey are you the void?
Cuz I wanna put my kids inside you (Pale King Rizz)||

[magic oar]

Have fun :3

[toxic kiln]

"Hollow Knight would be hard" they said

[rich jewel]

have fun suuferin .3

[rich jewel]

HAHA. trust me thats nothin

[ripe girder]

this chat often dead

[chrome echo]

hello everybody its me a random guy you probably dont know

[dull oracle]

Jokes on you I remember seeing you like twice before

[tidal marten]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-high-five-yes-oh-hell-gif-14003436

[glossy verge]

that's the easy part

[rotund swift]

hi hollow knight

its me holler knight

[bronze acorn]

Toh reference?

[rotund swift]

no

i dont like that show tbh

(not like homophobic im witerawy trans)

[brave blaze]

I don’t like it either your not alone

[midnight oasis]

owl house would be good if it had an actual third season

[mild sonnet]

wish i could play hk rn but gamepass decided to shit itself 🙂 👍

[placid rune]

i dont like toh and amphibia lol

[midnight oasis]

Amphibia is only liked because season 2 really was great

[valid escarp]

how darest thee does not mention the originator

gravity falls

anyhow how do i get my peers to get hollow knight

saying 'hollow knight is the best thing that could ever happen to them' did not work

[midnight oasis]

why would I mention gf in a discussion about amphibias quality

[clever basin]

I don't remember but I know it has smth to do with car
I downloaded it cus I thought it was gonna spawn Garn47 car

[valid escarp]

amphibia and owl house did originate from gravity falls, no?

i just thought it was relevant

[midnight oasis]

they didn't

[valid escarp]

really?

hm

[midnight oasis]

alex hirsch worked on one of the shows and collabed with the other

its just not their origin

[valid escarp]

ok then

speaking of gravity falls

book of bill released a couple days ago i think

that one gravity falls book

[indigo hare]

a

[valid escarp]

that right there is poetry

[rotund swift]

same for me its just i had a really bad friend who was heavily into those which is what kinda ruined them for me

[versed pumice]

Do tell

[rotund swift]

also i just generally dont like them

[valid escarp]

i shant the statement explains itself

also any of yall play noita

[versed pumice]

Na whats that

??

[potent holly]

my cats missing and it sucks so much

[versed pumice]

Thats what I need

A cat

[valid escarp]

my nightmares

its a video game

[versed pumice]

Interesting

[fiery geyser]

is anyone here guilty of this?

[midnight oasis]

yeah

[orchid vector]

why does your pfp look like a dead by daylight perk

[fiery geyser]

cuz it is, i made it myself, a custom made icon for the perk lightborn, but with a little change:

[orchid vector]

lightborn was a fun perk just because it pissed of survivors

[fiery geyser]

and it still is 😄

[fiery geyser]

this one is Enduring

[orchid vector]

i always used enduring too

i havent played in almost a year because i fell off and the community sucks

same

i was really good at chases and looping but i had more fun messing around and helping my team lol

my highest rank for survivor was like rank 5 or 6 and my highest for killer was 3

[valid escarp]

have i been playing elden ring wrong

which level do yall suggest one goes into altus plateau with

[bold depot]

Beach

[brave hawk]

Since false knight was able to steal and use hegemol's armor, that would mean that hegemol could be way smaller than his armor

[midnight oasis]

Thats not his armor thats his shell

He's smaller in the same way you're smaller than your skin

[brave hawk]

Oh

[steep turtle]

Shell? That's metal-

How can a shell be metal

Eh

[ashen wadi]

it's not metal it's just hard

[midnight oasis]

its explicitly a shell

[steep turtle]

Ahhh

It looks like metal

[midnight oasis]

its just gray

[ashen wadi]

it's a bit shiny looking

[steep turtle]

Ah

I mistakened for metal

[ashen wadi]

elder baldurs also are a bit reflective though and that's definitely its body

[steep turtle]

Yep

The color

It's obvious

[valid escarp]

big armoured shell, the false knight says

they could mean that the shell itself is the armour

or it could also mean that the shell is covered in armour

[rich jewel]

SİLKSONG GOT TRADEMARKET BY TEAMCHERRY LETS FUCKİNG GO!!!!!

[valid escarp]

yeah that happened a while ago

and a while ago before that

[rich jewel]

Wdym a while ago?

[valid escarp]

what like a week-ish ago?

the no, but dsn report

[ashen wadi]

that was registered years ago

[valid escarp]

ye

[midnight oasis]

did anyone see the esrb ratings

[ashen wadi]

star no

[midnight oasis]

and the usk

[valid escarp]

dont the esrb ratings mean nothing tho

[midnight oasis]

feature complete. im telling you

[midnight oasis]

Yeah they were just IARC ratings which can be requested whenever TC wants really

[valid escarp]

sad

[ashen wadi]

it was funny though

for a couple weeks people would just

notice it

and act like it was new every time

[valid escarp]

it was really funny

[fiery geyser]

It goe better, there a new gmae mode to play with 2 }killers and 8 surivivors

[ashen wadi]

with some new misinformation sprinkled in every time too

[valid escarp]

yea

at least we had copium tho

[mystic salmon]

ddededodediamante

[orchid vector]

i was planning reinstall soon because my friend wanted to play that with me actually

me and him have been wanting smth like that for a while

[fiery geyser]

Hillbilly is good again.

[random scroll]

Reminder: we got GTA 6 before silksong

[frigid island]

idk about that

[random scroll]

or at least a GTA 6 trailer

[frigid island]

Silksong has a trailer

[nimble rivet]

Yea since when

[frigid island]

Idk

[nimble rivet]

Silksong ain't real

Yall dreaming

[midnight oasis]

numerous unrelated events happened in the timeframe of 13 billion years

an intriguing reminder

[valid escarp]

no a gta 6 release year before silksong

[valid escarp]

heat death of the universe before silksong

[stone coral]

With the upcoming castle crashers dlc, it is now possible to play the game as the the knight without any mods

[upbeat ether]

Baby's first speedrun

[hot zodiac]

ummmm

im in the wall

[scenic frost]

[hot zodiac]

this is me in the wall

[upbeat ether]

Little ghost begins living up to their name

[hot zodiac]

real

bro city of tears did this to me

idk how the elevator did that

but it did

[hot zodiac]

no

I DID IT AGAIN

😭🙏

the elevator near where you buy the map

i was trynna get out

but i got sandwiched

inbetween the elevator and the wall

hold un i got the orignal clip

[wooden summit]

guys i need help

im trying to buy hollow knight

but it wont let me

[orchid vector]

you have to earn the right

[dull oracle]

You need to beat every other metroidvania before hk

That came out before hk

[wooden summit]

alright brb

[orchid vector]

no and after

if you dont beat a new release you lose access

[dull oracle]

Play nine sols imo

[wooden summit]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falling-breaking-bad-dm4uz3-gif-18078549

[nimble rivet]

Usual fireb0rn fan

[dull oracle]

Who?

[nimble rivet]

Nobody was talking abt sols until fireb0rn js made a vid suggesting the game

[frigid island]

Lmao

[dull oracle]

Thats just not true

[paper vapor]

lol

[midnight oasis]

dawg fireb0rns video got 41k thousand views

it wasn't very big

[frigid island]

I'm all 41k 🙏

[midnight oasis]

My glorious king fireb0rn

[dull oracle]

Once again who?

[ashen wadi]

so that's what

2% of mentions coming after that?

[paper vapor]

I regret making that sticker

[ashen wadi]

what sticker

[midnight oasis]

you made it?

[spring burrow]

Castle crashers is getting official modding support so i am putting the knight from hollow knight into castle crashers day 1

[toxic kiln]

Giant W

[spring burrow]

I also asked the ppl who made the daughter of hallownest skin if i can use their sprites to mod hornet in as well so heres hoping theyre ok with that

[paper vapor]

yea

[placid rune]

SAME

[cinder kraken]

finally did all the achievements, yippee

[undone chasm]

What's the skin in the 2nd savefile?

[opal prawn]

steel soul little rad I believe

[daring badger]

ty

[rich jewel]

Chat

What does team cherry trademarking silksong mean possibly?

[ashen wadi]

they trademarked it years ago because it's the title of the game and they don't want people taking the title

it means they want to avoid ripoffs and counterfeits

[void raven]

It's because Disney bought them out

[echo bobcat]

imagine you get to the sword rain phase for rad absrad and then when you knock her a sword doesnt disappear

and kills you

ha

hahahaaa

i hate this boss fr

[topaz pond]

Facts

[knotty root]

i cant even beat pantheon 4

[echo bobcat]

im on my 280th try and my window is looking really jump throughable

[topaz pond]

I can’t beat the first!

[knotty root]

lol

[echo bobcat]

fuck pv

took me 134 tries to radiant him

[knotty root]

yeah i got to pure vessel first ry but i just cant beat him

[echo bobcat]

train in hog

[topaz pond]

Hog?

[echo bobcat]

hall of gods

[topaz pond]

Ohhhhhhh

[echo bobcat]

the area below the pantheons

[topaz pond]

I never know if steal soul helps me beat the pantheons or the pantheons help me beat steal soul…by not sticking to one I’ve not done either

[ashen wadi]

Neither really helps with the other

[topaz pond]

Well that would explain it

[echo bobcat]

gotta get that 112 brah

u got this

[brave blaze]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU

[echo bobcat]

IT DID THIS BULLSHIT AGAIN

i dodged it tho

BUT WTF

[echo bobcat]

gg

fuck deepnest

[ashen wadi]

Deepnest is great

[topaz pond]

Deep nest is icky for real, like don’t play bug noises in my ears!

[ashen wadi]

Super effective at what it’s going for

[echo bobcat]

its great at BEING deepnest

but i dont like BEING in deepnest

[ashen wadi]

Sound design and enemy design are great

[topaz pond]

Spiders should be banned IRL

[ashen wadi]

Not my favorite enemies but they work well in context

[midnight oasis]

the way devouts are placed can be annoying at times

[ashen wadi]

That’s true

Carver hatchers are also a bit jarring with how overtly silly they are

[topaz pond]

I didn’t go left after beating the mantis lords on my first playthrough and didn’t get to deep nest for FOREVER

[brave blaze]

UHHH

oops caps

uh

how do I get out of here

[ashen wadi]

There’s a way out but idr where exactly keep poking around and you’ll find it

[brave blaze]

i'm fucking lost

uhhh

okay

[echo bobcat]

deepnest is always my last area

[brave blaze]

oh

[echo bobcat]

i go through queens gardens 100% of the time

[brave blaze]

oh i see it

[topaz pond]

I always forget how to get there and have to look it up

[brave blaze]

you're saying all that shit fit in here????

just how fucking big are these things

[echo bobcat]

big

[echo bobcat]

rip

[topaz pond]

“It’s bigger on the inside”

[brave blaze]

who put a fucking stag station here

more importantly how

surprised they didn't get torn to shreds

got the wings before I came here lmao

[ashen wadi]

Do you want the answer

[brave blaze]

no

let me be curious

[ashen wadi]

Respectable

[topaz pond]

Btw why do the stag tunnels look like one creature dug them? Definitely not with tools is what I mean

[brave blaze]

yeah

probably the pale king

||he’s a big ass worm i doubt it’s that hard||

[topaz pond]

only good thing that guy ever did

[brave blaze]

i mean

the man gave them free thought

and he didn’t force them

dude i love stagways

fast travel between these godawful worlds and greenpath

[blissful tapir]

chat, I need to restart my WHOLE game

new save 😭

[keen lotus]

I just got the hornet nendo I LOVE HER SOOOO MUCH

[topaz pond]

I like ya dog

[glossy marten]

i got a desktop pet of ghost hes so cute

[topaz pond]

Where can I get that?

[glossy marten]

i got it off steam its DPet

i had to download ghost tho

[glossy marten]

steamy weamy

[keen lotus]

Thank u! He's a little ball of crust rn