hk-general

[calm cobalt]

you zote

[amber pendant]

Wait

Hm

Okok

[buoyant oak]

✨ 🍞 ✨

[amber pendant]

So

[calm cobalt]

I'll accept that

[grand adder]

🥖

[calm cobalt]

🥐

[buoyant oak]

WI WI

[amber pendant]

Realistically characters can only move X and Y since it's a flat screen so

Life is 2D bro

[calm cobalt]

no because there are out and forward controls in 3d games as well

back and forward.

[amber pendant]

But the screen is flat bro

So

[calm cobalt]

then with your logic we live in 2d

[amber pendant]

No

[calm cobalt]

we are 2d

[grand adder]

this message marks
the argument end of the argument, the choice you ask? Hollow Knight is a 2.5D game.

[calm cobalt]

but clearly we aren't are we

[grand adder]

nah stop this new argument

[amber pendant]

Cause irl there's things ACTUALLY closer to us

[calm cobalt]

or so it seems

[buoyant oak]

WE WE 🥐

[amber pendant]

In "3D" games everything is the same distance away

[calm cobalt]

until you touch it you don't know

[next saffron]

what? why?

[calm cobalt]

it always appears 3d

[grand adder]

QASON

[amber pendant]

Bro you literally do know 💀

[slate spire]

I think dreams are 3d other than that life is 2d

[calm cobalt]

cos it's a 3d plane with a 2d characters

[grand adder]

are u fucking kidding me? scroll up and see.

[amber pendant]

Nah bro I live in 5D

[slate spire]

what

[calm cobalt]

what if it's a really detailed painting

[next saffron]

[grand adder]

???

[calm cobalt]

middle of 2 and 3 is 2.5 😏

[slate spire]

bro is seeing things

[calm cobalt]

[grand adder]

fr

[next saffron]

well all 2D games are 2.5D in this case

[slate spire]

no?

[calm cobalt]

no cos not all games are in 3d planes

[slate spire]

mario

bros

1

is pure 2d

[buoyant oak]

we we?

[calm cobalt]

oui oui

[amber pendant]

No. A very detailed painting will have parts closer to you (as in paint that is actually closed to you) so the paint is 3D while the painting is 2D

[grand adder]

you're making the least sense rn

[calm cobalt]

anyways bye

[grand adder]

hahaha

[calm cobalt]

bro shut up 😂

[amber pendant]

Am I lying?

[next saffron]

as player you are looking at 2D game which makes it a 2D game for you

[amber pendant]

See

He gets it

[slate spire]

wait

[grand adder]

?

[slate spire]

so since i see things in 3d irl so all the games i see are 3d

[amber pendant]

No

[grand adder]

nah

[slate spire]

wdym no?

It's valid point.

[next saffron]

if the background makes it 2.5D game then all 2D games that have shadow are 2.5D games

[calm cobalt]

then the pixels of the screen are closer to you as well like the paint so the game is 3d

[next saffron]

because you cant have shadow in 2D plain

[slate spire]

NAH IT'S 2D

[jovial mango]

Getting there

[slate spire]

NOT*

[calm cobalt]

The very ATOMS are 3d

[slate spire]

grimm i'm gonna -

[grand adder]

you can do it

[calm cobalt]

bum

[slate spire]

[amber pendant]

Bro the visual screen is a flat piece of paper the pixels are just lines to determine where to change the color of a square

[slate spire]

Nice progress!

[jovial mango]

thanks :]

[calm cobalt]

but the very ATOMS

[amber pendant]

Bro I hate arguing with people who don't speak english

[calm cobalt]

come out

so it's 3d

[grand adder]

??

[amber pendant]

Nah cause it's still all behind a screen so it's 2D

[grand adder]

i no english

[amber pendant]

I'm right ur wrong bruh

[calm cobalt]

bro me good english

[slate spire]

bro is seeing things

I hablo esp

[grand adder]

hahaha

[next saffron]

whats the definition of a 2D game?

[calm cobalt]

me english very very

[amber pendant]

Yap

[slate spire]

server only allows english sorry

[calm cobalt]

2 planes, x and y

the character can only move in 2 planes

x and y

[amber pendant]

Whatever you want the definition to be

[grand adder]

geometry dash??

[slate spire]

omg grimm

[grand adder]

aw

[slate spire]

WDYM AW

[grand adder]

we agree that gd is a 2d game right?

[calm cobalt]

Hence hk is 2d cos you can only move in x and y

[slate spire]

yes

[amber pendant]

So if a game is very obviously 3D besides the character it's just still a 2D game?

[next saffron]

no, the definition of a 2D game is a game where you only move in 2 axes

[calm cobalt]

yes bro

the background and aesthetics do not matter at all

[next saffron]

therefore hollow knight is 2D

[slate spire]

This is correct

[calm cobalt]

yes

[buoyant oak]

English or spanish?

[slate spire]

This is incorrect

[calm cobalt]

chinese

[amber pendant]

Alright bro so if we take elden ring and make it to where the character can't jump then it's a 2D game

[buoyant oak]

ching ching?

[next saffron]

are you talking about doors?

[calm cobalt]

yes

100%

[amber pendant]

Cap wtf

[calm cobalt]

lmao

[slate spire]

When entering

[amber pendant]

ALR NAH

[slate spire]

pantheons

[amber pendant]

CALLIN YALL OUT

[spark belfry]

It's actually not

[slate spire]

thats zz

[amber pendant]

YALL ARE DUMBBV

[calm cobalt]

bro didn't even go to google translate

[slate spire]

yes

[buoyant oak]

Shuí xiān xiě de jiùshì gay!

[calm cobalt]

bro just said ching ching

[grand adder]

shut up @amber pendant

[slate spire]

Hey

rude

[grand adder]

let the adults settle this

[amber pendant]

So bloodborne is 2D since you can't jump, aka move Z axis right

[calm cobalt]

liang xi lau hua

[buoyant oak]

Shuí xiān xiě de jiùshì gay!

[jovial mango]

this

[slate spire]

Ignore AI they always lie

[amber pendant]

Is a lie 💀

[grand adder]

aw man

[slate spire]

believe me by 2.5%

[next saffron]

thats just an animation not a movement
its a transition from one room to another
its an illusion of a different axes but its not

[slate spire]

hk is 2.5d game

[calm cobalt]

i was gonna say smth but my example wouldn't work here. yall have absolutely no idea who i'm talking abt lel

or who i would be talking abt

in my example

[slate spire]

what of illusions are these

[amber pendant]

It's a 2D game with 3D aspects but I'll never let anyone know that

But nah y'all saying 2D = 2axis is wild and wrong fr

[next saffron]

what if the screen went black before you see the knights back?
well that make any difference to how that game is?

[grand adder]

let this guy -> @calm cobalt cook

[slate spire]

no

[grand adder]

aw

[amber pendant]

He's not cooking shit

[slate spire]

no

[grand adder]

[next saffron]

how is it wrong?
its a 2D plain is

[buoyant oak]

mender bug is a cheater

[spark belfry]

Ai is lying

[jovial mango]

this is actually correct, the gameplay of hollow knight is 2d, the only "3d" formatting is the layering of objects and scenes in the background, this is used to create a 3 dimensional feel NOT a 3 dimensional game/

[amber pendant]

Okay so BLOODBORNE is 2D since you can't jump (aka can't move on the X axis)

[slate spire]

Three pings cry about it

[next saffron]

therefore it doesnt affact the aspect of the 2Dness of the game therefore it can not change what it is

[grand adder]

yeah it just looks 3d but that doesnt make it

[grand adder]

:/

[slate spire]

2Dness omg earthbound reference

[grand adder]

😂

[slate spire]

Thanks for clearing that for me.

[next saffron]

you can fall....

[slate spire]

but what is rpg games tho?

[amber pendant]

Don't matter

[grand adder]

roleplay games

[next saffron]

well it does

[slate spire]

how does rpg games works in which plain my friend

[next saffron]

kinky

[calm cobalt]

i've already talked, but thanks ahbab

[amber pendant]

To you

[calm cobalt]

i've said what i wanna say

anyways, goodbye lads

[next saffron]

then in which axes does the fall happen?

[jovial mango]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." -Mark Twain

[grand adder]

fax

[slate spire]

Tru !!!

[amber pendant]

Exactly what I'm saying bro

[next saffron]

lets not turn this conversation into insults please

[amber pendant]

It can happen on any axis you want except X axis since that's what I'm arguing against

[buoyant oak]

do you think the knight pay his taxes?

[slate spire]

please no rudeness

[jovial mango]

my bad

[grand adder]

please.
its wise words

[amber pendant]

Not if he keeps getting scammed by fake banks

[next saffron]

lmao

[amber pendant]

Thanks for admitting I'm right I appreciate it fr 🙏

[buoyant oak]

nah ah

[next saffron]

in which part?

[amber pendant]

Everything I said

[next saffron]

i dont even know who im arguing against

[grand adder]

he did to that meribelle or whoever

[grand adder]

then stop, its pointless.

[amber pendant]

Me

[slate spire]

grimm you seems like you wanna start a fight

[buoyant oak]

hk needs a gambling update

[grand adder]

yeah but im lazy to argue

[next saffron]

well im arguing against the fact that hollow knight is a 2.5D game

[slate spire]

good

[grand adder]

what do you think then

[next saffron]

gatcha?

[grand adder]

its 2d?

its 3d?

[next saffron]

its 2D

[slate spire]

oh not agaibv😭😭

[amber pendant]

Hey ano

It's 3D

[grand adder]

uh oh

[amber pendant]

It's in a 3D plane

[slate spire]

2.5

[amber pendant]

Whatever you say is wrong

[grand adder]

2.3

[amber pendant]

Bro

[slate spire]

Ano please leave the chat for your own health

[next saffron]

the earth is a globe

[grand adder]

blud with the outright demands 🗣️

[slate spire]

The earth is flat?

[amber pendant]

It's 5D tf are y'all on

[slate spire]

new argument?!

[grand adder]

me?

[amber pendant]

Am I wrong?

[grand adder]

no..

[slate spire]

yes you are wrong lad

[amber pendant]

Why are you telling ME this

[slate spire]

I SAID ANO

[amber pendant]

You said "Tro please leave the chat for your own health"

Like bro

I'm healthy

Tf you mean 🤦

[next saffron]

lmao

[amber pendant]

I have a heart rate of prolly 82 like it usually is I'm coolin bro

[grand adder]

idk my heart rate

[slate spire]

my heart rate was so fast at some point

my friends told me you are not normal

[amber pendant]

Thank God I'm not arguing with ano now

[amber pendant]

How fast

[slate spire]

I don't rember I was a kid

[spark belfry]

But you're the banned banned guy

[next saffron]

would you say Celeste is 2.5D game?

[slate spire]

probally it was around 80 yeah`~

Ano

[grand adder]

i think its 2d from what i've seen

[amber pendant]

Bro it's 4D

[slate spire]

When you win the chapter is shows versuilaze 3d image

bro i dunno how to speak anymore

[next saffron]

how can you say that when the main menu is clearly 3D

[slate spire]

Trueeee!;;!!

grimm leave for your own health

[amber pendant]

Celeste is 2D right

[slate spire]

nah i'm leaving fr

[amber pendant]

Wha why

[buoyant oak]

celeste is the ultimate 45d expirience

[amber pendant]

Nah fr

[next saffron]

what about the main menu?

[spark belfry]

Hk is actually 1d 🤯

[buoyant oak]

Bred

[next saffron]

well you can argue that the swing of the nail from right to left falls in a 3D plain at this point....

[buoyant oak]

🍞

[grand adder]

🥐

🫓

🥖

qason

where is everyone?

[amber pendant]

Bro my phone gets so hot even when it's not on (never gets hot when it's on)

[grand adder]

damn

background apps?

[fresh imp]

wsp

[grand adder]

hey

[fresh imp]

the chat always this dead?

[grand adder]

not particularly always

never seen ya around here pal

[fresh imp]

i dont usually chat alot

but i was bored so i decided to

[grand adder]

ah i see

well have a good time.

[fresh imp]

thanks!

[grand adder]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-undertale-gif-22430060

[fresh imp]

fr

[orchid vector]

mine cat keeps biting mine fingers

[buoyant oak]

The hunter says i need more creatures but i have everything

[grand adder]

primal aspid

[jovial hull]

hk disc is not dead but hey its a grimm pfp

[indigo wren]

Good morning peeps

[grand adder]

goodmorning.

[grand adder]

nice pfp ig

[delicate badge]

OMG RUBY

[jovial hull]

ah shit

its a grimm pfp, name, bio, and pronoun section

[hot dune]

damn

[delicate badge]

ah shit
its a hive knight pfp, name, and- wait he doesn't have a bio

sorry i had to

[orchid vector]

im the real one

[delicate badge]

[grand adder]

battle

[fresh imp]

for

[grand adder]

dream

[fresh imp]

island

[grand adder]

haha

[delicate badge]

TISO?

[fresh imp]

yes.

[delicate badge]

oh my god

tiso is a she /j

[grand adder]

hahaha

[coarse totem]

had to cook this up quickly (i died to markoff in p5 again)

[jovial hull]

markoth is so fucking overhated

[coarse totem]

nah

fuck him

[grand adder]

wtf

[dull oracle]

Real and true

[grand adder]

agreed, i never hated markoth that much.

[coarse totem]

counterpoint

have you ever had fun fighting markoff

[dull oracle]

Yes

[grand adder]

not really

[coarse totem]

lies its impossible

cause it sucks

radiant markoff especially

[dull oracle]

I never lie

[coarse totem]

i mean this when i say

[dull oracle]

Rad markoth is free

[coarse totem]

radiant markoff is the most rancid fight ever

they ever

[grand adder]

but your way of thinking never has to be the same as the rest

[coarse totem]

put in the game

[grand adder]

if people don't hate markoth, let them be.

[dull oracle]

Whos?

[grand adder]

spoopy's

[coarse totem]

were having a civil disscusion

im not gonna force my opinioon

just discuss why i hate this dumbass fight

[orchid vector]

this is me and mine best buddies :333333

[delicate badge]

so true

[chrome rose]

how dare you not put flukemarm in s-tier you sick...

[chrome rose]

go see a doctor now

oh no I just said that to god

[dull oracle]

I don't think so

[chrome rose]

silksong when cornholl

tell us your wisdom

[dull oracle]

When I say so

Or when everyone in this server beats R5ab

[chrome rose]

how abt regular p5

[dull oracle]

Good enough

[chrome rose]

this counts as a holy call to arms

crusade against absrad lets gooo

[coarse totem]

If it was ranking how hot the bosses are you know where I’m putting her

[chrome rose]

I know where you should be putting her

[coarse totem]

Actually ima do that

[chrome rose]

why is there no flukemarm my beloved meme

[dull oracle]

😟

[coarse totem]

hotness tier list if i was a bug

im not a bug tho so i find no one hot

but if i was a bug

except watcher kknights move them down one

[jovial hull]

what the actual fk

[valid falcon]

Don’t be inappropriate

[slate spire]

mods...

oh nevermind

[tropic cedar]

We're cooked i suck 💀

[shy path]

Bro I have a drawing of the broken vessles nail!!!!!

[nimble rivet]

This shit looks as tall as me

That ain't a nail

that's a human and a half 😭

[shy path]

Same

[serene pagoda]

Lol

[shy path]

It's going to be as tall as me

And made of wood

[nimble rivet]

Draw broken vessel on it

[shy path]

He is as tall as the nail

[slate spire]

howdy

[slate spire]

WOAH!

AMAZING!

[brave blaze]

wait till you see what sly wields

[slate spire]

lmaoo

[shy path]

True

[brave blaze]

if you think the broken vessel is scary

[shy path]

Thank you 🙂

[brave blaze]

okay zote

[shy path]

Nice

Thats pretty good

It will be painted

[nimble rivet]

cancer

His nail usage is cancer

I could probably do markoth on radiant twice In a row but not sly on radiant once

[slate spire]

If you think broken vessel is good then you are good

other than that banned

[rich jewel]

chat.

[slate spire]

wsup

[tepid vigil]

you love to see it

[frigid island]

Gg

[shy path]

I HATE this boss

[frigid island]

He's free tho

[pastel oracle]

[ashen wadi]

he's better than he was at launch at least

pre-lb traitor lord was... quite bad

[pastel oracle]

bad as in it was a harder battle or bad as in boring battle

[ashen wadi]

boring

literally just a sized up traitor mantis

not even just boring, lazy

[pastel oracle]

kaiju traitor lord

[shy path]

Both

But I might just have an extream skill issue

[past sundial]

same here

[brave blaze]

10th grade sucks

[slate spire]

sharp shadow

This is one of the rare cases where the charm become useful

[past sundial]

true

[coarse totem]

He’s so easy wdym

Not even sharp shadow

It’s like the second easiest Patheon 4 boss

[past sundial]

yeah, but in ||Pantheon of Hallownest|| he comes after ||No Eyes|| who is in her ascended arena

[slate spire]

It's easy dash behind him and hit

or jump pogo and hit

[past sundial]

yeah

[coarse totem]

I feel like it’s pretty easy to beat tl no hit consistently

Also I came to ask

I was just fighting p5

And died to a glitch in no eyes

Has anyone been just ejected out of the room after being hit by a no eyes projectile

[ashen wadi]

can't say I have

[past sundial]

i think i saw a fireb0rn clip in which that happened

or atleast something similar

[coarse totem]

Well I just got hit by a projectile is it sent me flying out of the arena

Then I killed like 20 children and destroyed my computer

[past sundial]

huh, that is real weird

but wait you killed 20 of ||no eye's|| children?

[coarse totem]

Out of frustration

[past sundial]

haha lol

[slate spire]

stop saying such a thing

not good

[amber pendant]

Hollowfans

Nvm this is my character arc‼️

[sullen lantern]

have you tried markoth

hes really easy

could cool you down a bit

[covert current]

[amber pendant]

Bro traitor Lord is so hard for no reason

[coarse totem]

He’s noooooooot 😔

[amber pendant]

He's annoying

Like bruh

How can I give the hollow knight this 5 piece but can barely beat traitor lord 💀🙏

[bleak igloo]

im still struggling with normal tl here

[amber pendant]

Nah fr same

[bleak igloo]

thk is easy ngl

js spam ddark

grubsong helps a lot, especially if you abuse ur shade for hits

[amber pendant]

Not traitor lord 💀

[steel wyvern]

Why are you dying ☠️ to bosses 👨🏼? You should just be using descending dark 🕶. Descending ⬇️ dark 🕶️ gives you iframes 👀 which stop 🛑 you taking damage 😔. It also does a🅰️🅰️ lot of damage 😢. Stop 🛑 dying ☠️ to video 📻📻👾 game 👾 bosses 👨🏼 and just use descending ⬇️ dark 🌑

[midnight oasis]

Not even hk bosses

Video games in general

[bleak igloo]

ddark solves everything

[midnight oasis]

Just beat bowser with descending dark. So free

[upbeat ether]

beat goku with descending dark

[slate spire]

ddark is here to save your day

[olive phoenix]

Just solo the universe with DDark guys

[rich jewel]

CHAT İ FİNALLY BEATEN COLLOSUM 3

F,ANLLY İM THE BİGGEST FOOL!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA

[slate spire]

YEAHHHHHH

NO MORE DEALS!

[light sage]

Do it 5 more times for a diamond mark (real) (not fake)

[amber pendant]

I've got a better argument for why hollow knight is 3d

You said that a game is 2d based on the character being able to move only on 2 axi

3d for 3 axi

You said the knight only moves in 2 axi - X and Y

Well, when the knight enters buildings, such as the tram, the deepest den, Grimms building, or overall any other building, he moves on a Z axis. Also, that's not including the obvious use of Z axis movement when hopping on the stag (I'm pretty sure there's an animation of him entering the tunnel)

@calm cobalt

And now I can rest 😌

[ashen wadi]

it's a 2d game

world is 3d

game is 2d

[rich jewel]

CANT ARGUE WİTH THAT.

[grave trench]

ok so

it seems that the throne defender in ds2 has a fucking grab

[rich jewel]

say. there was a update unity came up with that fucked most of the 2d games that were made in unity. what happened to that?

[ashen wadi]

what?

well it wouldn't affect hk

[amber pendant]

It's 3D

[midnight oasis]

HK wouldn't be built on that version of Unity

[ashen wadi]

no. it isn't.

[amber pendant]

It is

[ashen wadi]

play areas are all 2d

[amber pendant]

Except in reality they sent

[ashen wadi]

keep yapping

[amber pendant]

Aren't*

They aren't fr

[ashen wadi]

they are

[amber pendant]

If you look at dev videos it's a 3 area

2d sprites in 3d layers

[ashen wadi]

I don't care how they built their parallax

[amber pendant]

Not to mention the 3d effects

It's 3D

[midnight oasis]

You maneuver around a 2d space

Weird hill to die on

[ashen wadi]

I mean it's bait

[amber pendant]

Nah

[midnight oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-swallog-prey-bye-gif-11429031

[amber pendant]

Only 2D if you limit your mind to the view the camera locked you in

[junior ocean]

[amber pendant]

Wb the knight entering buildings? Clear use of 3D 💀

[amber pendant]

Except I'm fr 💀💀

It's a 3D game if the camera wasn't locked you would see that

It's literally in a 3D game plane

It's 2D layers put in 3D depths on a 3D plane, that's how they got the background layers to move slower than the foreground layers

[ashen wadi]

that does not make it a 3d game

like I said I don't care about parallax

[amber pendant]

It does

Ok look

So for unity

Since it's made in unity

[loud kindle]

3d engine 2d game simple as that

[ashen wadi]

it does not matter what the engine is

[loud kindle]

its does

[amber pendant]

Which option did they select
2D or
3D

[ashen wadi]

don't care

[loud kindle]

then youre a doubter

[ashen wadi]

doesn't matter

[amber pendant]

Bro knows they picked 3D

[amber pendant]

Literally

He knows he's wrong 💀💀

[ashen wadi]

everyone knows about the parallax

it just doesn't make it a 3d game

[loud kindle]

whats the parallax

[amber pendant]

Ok bro just answer my question

When they created the game did they select 2D game or 3D game

[ashen wadi]

the visual effect that makes things in the foreground move across the screen faster to make them look closer

[ashen wadi]

irrelevant

[loud kindle]

oh right that

[amber pendant]

Because you deem it irrelevant

[ashen wadi]

because it is irrelevant

[amber pendant]

Bro sees something that goes against what he says and he says "irrelevant"💀

[loud kindle]

anika please save us

[junior ocean]

something something u cant win an argument with an idiot

[midnight oasis]

mods

[ashen wadi]

it's obviously a troll

[amber pendant]

I'm not trolling tho

[ashen wadi]

but trolls can be funny

[amber pendant]

Bruh

They literally picked 3D to make the game 💀

[paper vapor]

hk and ss are 2d games

[amber pendant]

No

[paper vapor]

with layers

[amber pendant]

Yes

[paper vapor]

(Wow!)

[daring badger]

im confused how did the "hk is 2d/3d" argument come up

[amber pendant]

Me

[loud kindle]

no idea

[ashen wadi]

trolling

it's a decent bit

[amber pendant]

Nah I'm not even trolling tho

[ashen wadi]

doesn't really have the mileage

[daring badger]

i dont think he is tammo

[loud kindle]

U dont realise hes talking about himself

[ashen wadi]

I'm being charitable

[amber pendant]

Prolly tbh

Okay ignoring him since he's irrelevant

[loud kindle]

i dont even know why im here

[amber pendant]

Hk is 3D bro

[paper vapor]

??

[amber pendant]

Which side are you on

[paper vapor]

eh

[loud kindle]

Im the 3d engine 2d game side

[paper vapor]

it’s made with a 3d engine, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be a 3d game

[ashen wadi]

3d world 2d game

engine is pretty irrelevant

[midnight oasis]

the gameplay is 2d thats just a fact

[loud kindle]

Yeah

[ashen wadi]

an engine supporting 3d doesn't mean every game made with it is 3d

[amber pendant]

So would you agree that 3D = having the ability to move on XYZ axis

[midnight oasis]

Thats what people mean when they say "2d game"

[daring badger]

hk is 3d if you took the unity files of the game and read them, the developers intended for it to be a 2D game though

[amber pendant]

Except you can move on a Z axis

[ashen wadi]

the files really aren't important

it's a 3d world

[amber pendant]

Thank you

[ashen wadi]

you can transition between 2d planes

but they are all 2d

[ashen wadi]

that is not in agreement with your claim

[amber pendant]

By default, and in a literal sense, the game is 3D

[loud kindle]

i no no understand confused

[daring badger]

fr 😭 thats what we've been trying to say this whole time

[amber pendant]

No it's agreement with me

[ashen wadi]

no it isn't

[amber pendant]

Why is this dude still tryna talk to me 🤦

[ashen wadi]

if the person who made the statement said you misunderstood it's wild to say 'no you're wrong you meant something else'

[amber pendant]

I'm right tho

Okay

[ashen wadi]

but you're not

[amber pendant]

Take hollow knight at its complete core. Is it 2d or 3d

[midnight oasis]

can we go back to funny bait

[amber pendant]

So

[ashen wadi]

that's a vacuous question

[midnight oasis]

like "Hollow knight is a bad game"

[ashen wadi]

hollow knight is a bad game

[amber pendant]

Load up unity

[midnight oasis]

TRUE

[amber pendant]

Is it 2d or 3d

[ashen wadi]

doesn't matter

[amber pendant]

Y'all think I'm baiting bruh 😭

[junior ocean]

that isnt how unity works

[amber pendant]

Ur annoying

[amber pendant]

It is 💀

[midnight oasis]

You're*

[amber pendant]

🙉

[junior ocean]

sure
substantiate it then

[loud kindle]

This discussion is dumb

[ashen wadi]

well yeah

[slate spire]

please guys rember to not be rude here

[amber pendant]

Literally when you create a new game on unity you have the option for either a 2d or 3d game

Now idk if they added more I ain't loaded up and cooked nun up on unity in a while

[rich jewel]

mfer it is 3D BUT THE GAME İTSELF İS 2D. GAME İS CONSİDERED 2D BUT THE GAME İTSELF İS 3D.

[ashen wadi]

it doesn't matter what the engine is

[amber pendant]

See bro he's COOKINGGGG

LET PICO COOK

[midnight oasis]

The gameplay utilizes 2d spaces exclusively

[junior ocean]

none of that relates to what i said

[amber pendant]

Except you can move on all 3 axis?

[paper vapor]

ur pressed that’s crazy

[slate spire]

what is the argument now how the engine provide you with the 3d or 2d environment?! 😭😭

[midnight oasis]

Thats just not true

[daring badger]

funny arguement

[ashen wadi]

that isn't even internally consistent you contradicted yourself

[loud kindle]

erm no

[amber pendant]

No

[midnight oasis]

You can hit a button and it moves you to another space where you can only move on 2 axises

[amber pendant]

Go enter a building and lmk

[loud kindle]

You literally cant move in the z axis

[midnight oasis]

.

[amber pendant]

Go enter a building and lmk

[ashen wadi]

.

3d world 2d game

[junior ocean]

that is not at all what i meant

[amber pendant]

It's 3D bro

[loud kindle]

nah its literally a loading zone

[slate spire]

bro is arguing since the morning

[daring badger]

https://tenor.com/view/bedman-ggst-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-interesting-gif-12778435206323463625

[amber pendant]

The knight moves towards the building bro

[slate spire]

please guys be patient

[rich jewel]

if i explaned the things i explanded to you to fucking walls they would get it. but appereantly not you

[amber pendant]

No I slept

[daring badger]

LMAOOOOOO

[midnight oasis]

Thats an animation its not actually moving its position backwards

[amber pendant]

He didnt

[amber pendant]

It's still him moving on the Z axis which you just agreed to

[loud kindle]

And? Whats the point youre tryna make you literally cant move freely in the z axis like a 3d game how does entering a building change that

[ashen wadi]

THE GAME İTSELF İS 2D. GAME İS CONSİDERED 2D BUT THE GAME İTSELF İS 3D.

[daring badger]

brother is team cherry's greatest soldier

[amber pendant]

Because you move on the Z axis

[ashen wadi]

these are incompatible it's astonishing you don't understand that

[loud kindle]

Naw fr😭

[amber pendant]

THSNK YOUUUU 🙏🙏

[midnight oasis]

what the heck is İ

[amber pendant]

They arent

[ashen wadi]

I copied

[loud kindle]

what are you

[rich jewel]

THATS WHAT İ SAİD! BUT THESE İDİO- (kind folks) DONT GET İT

[amber pendant]

PICO IS COOKINGGG

[ashen wadi]

you said something and the literal opposite

you said it's 2d and that it's 3d

[slate spire]

I like the İ

[rich jewel]

PARDON?

[ashen wadi]

that's fundamentally incoherent

[amber pendant]

It's 3D

[daring badger]

im dying over here this is way too funny

[wheat field]

Wtf is happening

[amber pendant]

Fr 💀

[loud kindle]

me too bro

[amber pendant]

Is hollow knight 2D or 3D

[ashen wadi]

I'm upping it to an ok troll

[midnight oasis]

Its not and I didn't agree to nothing

[loud kindle]

2d

[wheat field]

2d

[amber pendant]

You agreed that he's moving on a Z axis in that

[daring badger]

im talking about you man lmao

[midnight oasis]

Doing gods work over here

[amber pendant]

So you're a tweaker too

[brave blaze]

hollow knight is a 2d game first and foremost because mechanically you can only move up, down, left and right in a flat world, that alone is in short what defines the genre, questions about the engine or going into buildings can be answered by it doesnt matter and you dont move in the z axis, the game loads a new room, which is again, 2d

[loud kindle]

Nah i agreed to nothing

[slate spire]

TrojanX I don't have enough power rn but rember the server goes so much active at this time not like the morning

good luck arguing

[loud kindle]

Let herria cook

[daring badger]

gn kark

[ashen wadi]

the world is canonically 3d, that is almost always (if not always) the case for 2d games

[amber pendant]

Except how do you get into buildings then 🤦

[amber pendant]

It's okay I always cook

[slate spire]

KarK.exe is not responding...

[paper vapor]

transitions

[wheat field]

The game is made in 3d for simplicity of decelopment,backgrounds and stuff
But you can only move by the x and y axis,wich is like,2d

[paper vapor]

loads a different room

[loud kindle]

loading zones exists

[amber pendant]

Except the knight physically walks into the building

[paper vapor]

still a 2d plane tho

[loud kindle]

THAT DOSENT MATTER ITS A LOADING ZONE

[rich jewel]

İM NOT SAYİNG İTS A FREE ROAM 3D OR SOMETHİNG BUT. TECHNİACLLY SPEAKİNG İT İS STİLL A 3D GAME. İTS İNA 3D SPACE THATS CREATED OF LAYERS AND LAYERS OF SPRİTES. LİKE AN ONİON

[midnight oasis]

No it doesn't it loads a new room while playing an animation

[ashen wadi]

entering buildings isn't moving in the gameplay along a third axis it's unloading a room and loading a new one

[wheat field]

Feelspkmain

[amber pendant]

You move your joystick up right? THEN WOW UR CHARACTER MOVES FORWARD

[midnight oasis]

You're conflating what happens in the universe to what happens in the games code

[ashen wadi]

that's not what it means to be a 3d game

[loud kindle]

Exactly

[amber pendant]

He literally walks bro (pretty sure)

[ashen wadi]

do you... do you actually believe that's how it works

[amber pendant]

It is

[ashen wadi]

it's not

[loud kindle]

Youre going the obvious logic not the game design logic and this is a game

[ashen wadi]

it so isn't

[amber pendant]

It is

[wheat field]

Thats erm annimation

[midnight oasis]

thats the animation

[brave blaze]

theres a 2d animation of you getting into a door while your character doesnt move and then the screen goes black while the game loads a new room, after which your back in a flat world in which you can only move up, down, left and right

[amber pendant]

He still does it

[wheat field]

Gg starp

[midnight oasis]

the room isn't literally where its walking

[amber pendant]

So you still move on the Z axis

[ashen wadi]

the animation doesn't move the knight physically in any sort of representation of space it's just unloading the room

[loud kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[amber pendant]

Bro who even are you

Ok guys

[brave blaze]

you dont move, you trigger an animation and the loading of a new room

[amber pendant]

Is hollow Knight AT ITS CORE 3D or 2D

[midnight oasis]

2d

[ashen wadi]

2d

[amber pendant]

Ur tweaking

[loud kindle]

Define at its core

[amber pendant]

Game engine creation

[ashen wadi]

that's an inconsequential and arbitrary thing to point to

[amber pendant]

Bro I didn't ask you

Mb that's rude

Sorry

[midnight oasis]

Literally no one is considering the game engine creation when they're thinking whether or not the game is 2d or 3d

[ashen wadi]

?tag noping

[river dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462200562620825600/919850262959640596/dontpingplz.png

[junior ocean]

its disenguous too

[ashen wadi]

it is yes

[brave blaze]

i know that, but thats not what defines the 2d genre, this conversation is pointless

[loud kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-brick-wall-man-talking-to-a-brick-wall-man-talking-to-a-wall-gif-21645973

[amber pendant]

Bro I said AT ITS CORE

At its core

Y'all yap and don't listen 🤦

[junior ocean]

its 2d yes

[ashen wadi]

at its core it's a 2d metroidvania

[wheat field]

"C*re"
-zvypurrr 2024

[midnight oasis]

ewww 8a

[amber pendant]

At its core it's 3D

[ashen wadi]

everything revolves around it being 2d

[amber pendant]

Load up unity where it was made and it's 3D bro

[junior ocean]

substantiate your claims then instead of attributing disagreement to ppl not listening

[ashen wadi]

I do not care about some technicality in the engine

[rich jewel]

it is 3d if you take on that perspective. its a 3d space that has layers and layers of sprites .im not saying its 3d game but the space it inhebits is 3d

[loud kindle]

real

[amber pendant]

Literally what I'm saying

[brave blaze]

no game its 3d at its core by your definition, from minecraft to counter strike every single game operates the same way if you look it from close enough, again your not making a point

[ashen wadi]

then you agree it's a 2d game

[loud kindle]

Thats not ehat youre saying

[amber pendant]

Hollow Knight is TECHNICALLY 3D

[ashen wadi]

they all boil down to 1s and 0s

[amber pendant]

Bro it's made in a 3D plane

[ashen wadi]

that doesn't make it a 3d game

[brave blaze]

what the fuck is a 3d plane

[amber pendant]

It's what I've been saying

[ashen wadi]

even if it actually had 3d models it would still be a 2d game

[calm cobalt]

Which is during cutscenes when you have no control

[amber pendant]

Just basically know that when making a game on unity you pick 2D or 3D and guess what team cherry picked? 3D

[amber pendant]

But you controlled him to get there 🤦

[calm cobalt]

Ahbab this conversation will never end

[amber pendant]

No it did end I just slept and woke up and brought it back up

[rich jewel]

GUYS TEAM CHERRY DEVELOPED A 2D GAME İN THE SETTİNGS OF AN 3D GAME. THATS. İT.

[junior ocean]

that intentionally ignores a lot of functions of unity and how it works

[calm cobalt]

So for the sake of sanity, I respect your point

[amber pendant]

Not really

[daring badger]

the grind is real

[loud kindle]

This discussion is literally going NOWHERE

[calm cobalt]

But politely disagree

[ashen wadi]

yes it's a 2d game

[amber pendant]

No

[ashen wadi]

engine settings are irrelevant

[amber pendant]

You're irrelevant

[calm cobalt]

Bro why are u lot being so rude

[loud kindle]

theyre relevant for game making but for this discussion they probably arent

[daring badger]

ok tammo nows your chance to leave

[amber pendant]

Idk

[calm cobalt]

Leave trojan alone bruv

[ashen wadi]

It's ok I don't really care

[amber pendant]

Literally 😭

[calm cobalt]

Angry for no reason

[ashen wadi]

lmao

[calm cobalt]

Anyways, have a good day lads

[loud kindle]

No reason is an understatement

[amber pendant]

Thank you slimester

[calm cobalt]

However before i take my leave

[calm cobalt]

Stfu please

[amber pendant]

Cause I said hollow knight is 3D 💀

[amber pendant]

YOOO HUGE W

[junior ocean]

there is no difference between them, and the 2d option is still 3d as well

[brave blaze]

the 2d genre has nothing to do with what the developers picked in the engine they used to create the game

[ashen wadi]

I'm not angry but you pretty clearly are, maybe take a break

[amber pendant]

Except the 3d animations right

[calm cobalt]

Lmao wth going on in London

[amber pendant]

I'm not 💀💀

[ashen wadi]

there are no 3d animations they're all sprites

[calm cobalt]

And with that i take my leave, goodbye.

[amber pendant]

Yeah so you don't play hollow knight

[ashen wadi]

I did

decent game

[amber pendant]

For 3 minutes and didn't progress I assume

[ashen wadi]

it's all sprites

[amber pendant]

There's literally 3d animations

[junior ocean]

saying this adds nothing to the discussion

[ashen wadi]

I've even looked through the files on more than a few occasions, it's all sprites

[amber pendant]

There's 3d animations

[loud kindle]

Trojan is not advancing the discussion on purpose to have something to do in my opinion

[ashen wadi]

probably

[midnight oasis]

What?

[brave blaze]

im going to take a shower

[ashen wadi]

shit my street cred

[amber pendant]

Y'all are?💀

[junior ocean]

which ones

[amber pendant]

Bros questioning me 💀

[junior ocean]

yes

[ashen wadi]

that is what generally happens when yous ay something that's untrue

[loud kindle]

thats what im sayin bruh

[junior ocean]

you cant just say something without supplying any evidence

[rich jewel]

this chat is an warzone

[junior ocean]

something something hitchens razor

[loud kindle]

Dead silence the moment asked for evidence

[amber pendant]

Mb

Here's proof

[junior ocean]

u can check the pins in #modding-discussion for all sprites btw

[amber pendant]

Literally 3D tf 💀

[junior ocean]

again that does not demonstrate your claim

[ashen wadi]

I mean it's definitely a troll

[junior ocean]

that has been refuted a dozen times

[amber pendant]

It literally says it's 3D

[loud kindle]

bro edited google

[amber pendant]

Literally 3D

[amber pendant]

Proof

[junior ocean]

read the entire text

[amber pendant]

I am

[loud kindle]

The obvious 3d over all of the parts where it says 2d

[amber pendant]

It says 3D multiple times but never says 2D not once

[junior ocean]

then youre acting in bad faith, because that is not what its claiming

[amber pendant]

Bruh that's our secret

[amber pendant]

Bad faith in who 💀 google?💀

[loud kindle]

Nah keep that to yourself

[molten moat]

Lmao this is still going?

[amber pendant]

Nah tho it literally did agree with what I've been saying

[loud kindle]

Yeah i also have nothing better to do

[upbeat ether]

Holy shit can we just please update the game to make it so that hiveblood takes 7.5 seconds or 5 seconds to regenerate?

[junior ocean]

that is clearly not what i said. your interpretation of the text is disingenuous and in bad faith

[amber pendant]

Except it actually agrees with what I've been saying y'all just aren't listening close enough ig

[loud kindle]

this is literally the definition of acting in bad faith

[ashen wadi]

hiveblood isn't a boss tool it's an exploration convenience tool

[junior ocean]

again that point has been acknowledged and refuted numerous times

however at this point the discussion is meaningless if its going to loop back to already addressed things

[amber pendant]

Ok so what are y'all arguing about

[midnight oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283680756159741953/1206411248971948062/02-6-unity_parallax.1-min-compressor.gif

[brave blaze]

not even

[amber pendant]

Thank you

[midnight oasis]

np

[junior ocean]

how are you going to have a discussion and not understand someone's position

[amber pendant]

How did u find that I was looking for it hella this morning

[upbeat ether]

10 seconds still feels a bit too high regardless, but I get your point

[midnight oasis]

i have it saved

[amber pendant]

I see I see

[midnight oasis]

its 10 seconds

[amber pendant]

@junior ocean

[junior ocean]

yes that demonstrates my point

[ashen wadi]

everyone knows how the parallax works

[amber pendant]

Same

[junior ocean]

this is something which has again been addressed and refuted

[loud kindle]

Yeah

[junior ocean]

idk why ur feigning ignorance to continue making these claims

[amber pendant]

I've literally been saying hollow knight at its core is 3d not my fault y'all are misinterpreting it

And technically hollow knight is 3d TECHNICALLY

[midnight oasis]

you could've just said it uses 3d for its parallax instead of doing this vague "at its core" nonsense

[frank glacier]

playing dead cells for the first time

[amber pendant]

Oopsies

[loud kindle]

Youre saying the game is 3d by saying that entering buildings makes you move in the z axis so i dont get how we are misinterpreting this

[amber pendant]

Well technically it is 3D

technically

[midnight oasis]

technically it uses 3d for its parallax

Thats it. Its still 2d in its gameplay

[amber pendant]

Looks like sum I needa try

[rich jewel]

thats what i was tryna get across

[amber pendant]

So teeeeccchhhhnically it's 3d

[midnight oasis]

😐

No.

[rich jewel]

YEA İT İS. WE GET İT

[amber pendant]

Alr bruh

[amber pendant]

Clearly he doesn't 💀

[loud kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wont-believe-what-he-digs-up-swaos-gif-20021228

[amber pendant]

Pico is just cool bruh

[loud kindle]

This is this discussion rn

[amber pendant]

No

[loud kindle]

Atleast it was a few minutes ago

[amber pendant]

We got to the point

[midnight oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-21408444

[rich jewel]

im still waiting

[loud kindle]

He found silksong trust

[amber pendant]

Feels good knowing I'm right

[amber pendant]

Watching this makes my back tingle ngl

[scenic frost]

How???

It is a 2d game

BACKGROUNDS do not make it 3d

[hot dune]

we done yet

[loud kindle]

DO NOT restart this discussion

[scenic frost]

This discussion must be put to rest

[hot dune]

Please

[scenic frost]

Oh nvm it's a troll

Makes more sense

[orchid vector]

idiot

[scenic frost]

I didn't scroll up enough

Idiot

[hot dune]

El gato

[orchid vector]

what if the sun catxhes them on fire

[scenic frost]

Sun will die

[orchid vector]

do not say that about my sun

https://tenor.com/view/praise-him-gif-7042948485213753465

[scenic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-praise-gif-25000256

[orchid vector]

i love mr sun

i havent played 3 yet

im new to dark souls

[scenic frost]

mb

[loud kindle]

What is up with cactuses and canoes in hk meme

[orchid vector]

im nearlt finished with dark soul 1

[scenic frost]

Based

First souls game I assume

[orchid vector]

and im going to buy the rest and elden ring for my birthday next month

[scenic frost]

Ds1 is the best one to start with

[steel wyvern]

like this is legit the worst organized discord i have seen. why is this ~100 people’s injoke playground and not a discussion forum for anything

[orchid vector]

i played a little bit of ds2 at mine friend house but i didnt get far

[scenic frost]

?

[scenic frost]

Real

[orchid vector]

i like cool knights

[scenic frost]

The only soulsborne games I haven't played yet are Bloodborne and Demons Souls because they're playstation exclusive

[orchid vector]

in ds1 i have the dlc and then im fighting gwyn

[arctic isle]

ds2 the worst game i ever played

[orchid vector]

oh and the taurus demon

i skipped him

[midnight oasis]

I guess it would be preferable to be LESS educated!

[scenic frost]

Wrong

[orchid vector]

i thought it would be funny to fight him last

[undone chasm]

just joined this server to say that hollow knight is a masterpiece, if this is spielled wrong this is eecause im not looking at the monitor because, i dont want spoilers, but very good game one of, if not the best.

[scenic frost]

That's funny

[orchid vector]

ill probably one shot him lol

[amber pendant]

It's not about backgrounds

[scenic frost]

Peak Souls 2 vs Mid Souls 3

[amber pendant]

It's the fact hollow knight was made in a 3D environment

[orchid vector]

dark souls 2 looks very fun but im not looking forward to levelling adp

[scenic frost]

That doesn't make the game actually 3d at all

[amber pendant]

So technically down to its core it's 3D

[orchid vector]

the bosses look cooler

and cooler armor and weapons

[midnight oasis]

Dont bother

[amber pendant]

Technically it is

[orchid vector]

so more cool knights :3

[arctic isle]

ds1 peak
ds3 peak
elden ring peak
sekiro peak
bloodborne peak
demon souls peak
ds2 this most broken game i ever played and its fkin boring as shit

[amber pendant]

Elden being peak is WILD

[midnight oasis]

Dark Souls 2 is bad because Dark Souls in general is bad

[amber pendant]

Tweaker???

[scenic frost]

Levelling comes REALLY easy in ds2 so just get adp to 25 and ur good

[orchid vector]

0/10 ragebait

[steel wyvern]

outer wilds is complete tradh because it takes place in space

[scenic frost]

Ds3 is the worst one imo

[arctic isle]

elden ring is not the best you know but when you see ds2 and elden ring, elden ring is peak

[scenic frost]

It's so BOOORING

[amber pendant]

DS2 is overhated

[orchid vector]

yeah i talked to someone here earlier and they said levelling is alot faster

[arctic isle]

im ng + 7 in ds3

[scenic frost]

So true bestie

[amber pendant]

Bro didnt play till the 2nd half