hk-general

[dusty siren]

Guys what about HK 2?

[proven thorn]

We don’t though

[delicate sigil]

We literally destroy a females Fanfic-

[proven thorn]

Like didn’t the pale king just die

“Female”

[idle sequoia]

Yeah lol

[surreal ledge]

Do primal aspid beats knight, knight beats HK and hk beats primal

Vary good idea

[idle sequoia]

Hk doesn’t beat primal

Primal is way too op

[proven thorn]

Ngl crystal hunters suck more

[surreal ledge]

Then grub or smth

[ocean spire]

A

[proven thorn]

Scrubs

[surreal ledge]

Scrub daddy reference?!?!?

[idle sequoia]

Primal aspids were hunted to almost extinction because of how annoying they are

[proven thorn]

Did aspids exist before the infection

[surreal ledge]

So there is a way to kill them

Good question

[delicate sigil]

I want to murder every single one.

[idle sequoia]

Same

The hardest challenge is to no hit a primal aspid

Forget p5 or radiant marhoth

[delicate sigil]

I hate trial of fools.

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[delicate sigil]

[delicate sigil]

Shut up before you vanish off to the abyss. >:/

[proven thorn]

Yikes

You’re probably the weakest higher being in Hallownest ngl

[delicate sigil]

[surreal ledge]

True

[proven thorn]

I mean as the Wyrm you’d be pretty strong but in king form you’re so small

[surreal ledge]

Forget that knight is also small and can kill almost anything

[icy bolt]

Size doesn't matter

[proven thorn]

I just don’t feel like the king is that physically strong

[icy bolt]

Vergil was the size of an average human and still kicked ass

[proven thorn]

Or skilled in combat

I mean he could be but there’s no proof of it

[idle sequoia]

Thats white lady of unn probably white lady

[surreal ledge]

It matters it is easier to dodge small primal aspid attacks than big ones

[proven thorn]

Still he gave everyone a mind (even the hollow knight(bowoomp))

[proven thorn]

Unn is massive

And white lady could also be pretty big

[idle sequoia]

Ok?

[proven thorn]

Like white lady is probably second place

[idle sequoia]

White lady is a tree

[proven thorn]

She could like crush you Idk

[junior granite]

I love trial of the fool. it was incredibly fun.

[idle sequoia]

She’s a tree

[surreal ledge]

Bardoon is big

[proven thorn]

I was talking about Unn

[idle sequoia]

Oh ok

[delicate sigil]

I just dislike being in the air alot-

[junior granite]

same, that's why it felt really fun

it was something I wasn't used to, so overcoming that difficulty was pretty fun

[proven thorn]

Also like the white lady could most likely move before she restricted herself in her gardens

[idle sequoia]

Pale king is probably pretty strong tho

[proven thorn]

Maybe

Hmmm

[idle sequoia]

His wyrm form only tho

[proven thorn]

Y’know there isn’t that much know about him

[proven thorn]

Yeah duh

[idle sequoia]

Still counts as his strength tho

[surreal ledge]

His small one sucks

[proven thorn]

I’m talking small form

[proven thorn]

He can’t really just change back into Wyrm lol

[idle sequoia]

But you can’t rank his strength based off of his tiny form

[proven thorn]

Maybe through rebirth but that’d take time

[proven thorn]

Uhmn kind of fair

But like his wyrm form is dead

If we’re talking wyrm form (which I’m not) he’d be pretty strong

[idle sequoia]

Well he can get his strength back

[proven thorn]

Maybe

[idle sequoia]

I mean not in game cuz he’s a corpse

But if he was alive

[proven thorn]

He could have reborn himself

Wyrms do that

[idle sequoia]

Reborn himself as a silksong boss lol

[proven thorn]

He would probably recognize hornet

[idle sequoia]

Idk

[proven thorn]

I think she was raised by the white lady

[idle sequoia]

Anyways does nkg count towards Grimm’s strength

[proven thorn]

Y’know his wife

[proven thorn]

Grimm is sorta the nightmare heart

[idle sequoia]

Yeah ik

[proven thorn]

I’d say probably yeah

[idle sequoia]

Strongest higher beings list -

1- shade lord

2- radiance

3- Grimm

[proven thorn]

It only exists cause of godhome though

[idle sequoia]

4- pale king

[idle sequoia]

It still exists

5- unn

6- white lady

[surreal ledge]

7- hk

[idle sequoia]

Idk if pale king wyrm is stronger than Grimm but I played it safe and said no

[brave blaze]

How do they survive the departure of silksong?

[idle sequoia]

Hk isn’t a higher being he’s just a vessel

[surreal ledge]

Yeah

[brave blaze]

Question would be, can the hk beat the lich? Adventure time?

[junior granite]

probably not

[brave blaze]

I think the problem would be ending his physical form, since being literally hollow, he would not be able to get out.

[idle sequoia]

He can hardly do anything other than infection based attacks

[proven thorn]

The vessels are higher beings

[brave blaze]

I was referring to the other hk, the ghost well

[proven thorn]

It’s still just the knight with void heart attuned by the godseekwr

[long oak]

meow

[muted jasper]

Marissa (the toaster)

[idle sequoia]

Well it has the power of the entire void

[proven thorn]

Yep

[icy bolt]

I kinda think this conversation should be moved to lore channel, ngl

[proven thorn]

Not the dead singer

[muted jasper]

Nightmare Heart I'd say is the weakest tho.

Definitely not so high.

[idle sequoia]

I dream nailed marissa

[muted jasper]

I see...

[idle sequoia]

Free essence

[brave blaze]

So?

[muted jasper]

Proof ?

[idle sequoia]

I have no clue what the lich is

[proven thorn]

Can we ban you

[idle sequoia]

I didn’t break any rules

[surreal ledge]

Prob

[proven thorn]

Well grimm (a high being) is aware that he is in godhome

[muted jasper]

Ok...? And ?

[surreal ledge]

I did too by accident

[proven thorn]

And hornet, daughter of a higher being and normal bug is semi aware of beinf in a dream

[brave blaze]

Let's say it is the reincarnation of chaos? A being that only wants to see beings die, that does not even have a soul, only essence, and that the only thing that could beat him is a counter part of his innate evil.

[proven thorn]

So the vessels, children of two higher beings, should be higher beings

[muted jasper]

Grimm (a higher being (not really, the vessel of one)) is in GodHome.
Gruz Mother too.
Is Gruz Mother a Higher Being ?

[idle sequoia]

Then elderbug could beat him

[long oak]

isn't this hk off topic??

[muted jasper]

You just answered your own question

the only thing that could beat him is a counter part of his innate evil

[proven thorn]

Plus the knight can read the tablets that say “higher beings, these words are for you alone”

[muted jasper]

Those tablets are lies.

[proven thorn]

No grimm is aware of being in godhome

[proven thorn]

????

[muted jasper]

They welcome travellers, who are not often higher beings.

[brave blaze]

The biggest problem is that there is no way to kill its essence, that's why I say, the hk, the container beats it or not?

[idle sequoia]

Guys let’s move to #hk-lore

[long oak]

no, not really, the knight/vessel IS a higher being

[muted jasper]

Ok ? He is in GodHome too.

[muted jasper]

Proof ?

[proven thorn]

HE IS AWARE OF IT

[long oak]

...Look at godhome ending

[muted jasper]

K

[proven thorn]

HE HAS DIFFERENT DREAMNAIL DIALOG TALKING TO THE GODSEEKER

[muted jasper]

Sure, it has VoidHeart here.

[muted jasper]

Irrelevant.

[long oak]

and look at the hollow knight ending

[proven thorn]

Nobody else does other than hornet that seems to know she’s in a dream

[muted jasper]

I see a non-higher being stabbing a non-higher being and absorbing the light inside.

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[surreal ledge]

And he bows to god seeker

[long oak]

That's not light???

[proven thorn]

Yeah

[idle sequoia]

Sealed siblings is the best ending

[muted jasper]

You do not need to be a Higher Being to know you're in GodHome.
Hornet does, and she's not one.
Shoe does too.

[gaunt wing]

Kings Pass has lore tablets that call the Knight a higher being

[raven escarp]

hes playing with my zote plushes life ender

[muted jasper]

Yes it is.

[proven thorn]

She is half higher being

Daughter of pale king

[muted jasper]

Those just call everyone who come here that.

[long oak]

I meant the ENDING

[muted jasper]

Not a thing.

[long oak]

no??? The hollow knight ending is the infection

[proven thorn]

Ngl not aeguing with you you stink

[long oak]

he absorbs the INFECTION

[muted jasper]

I wasn't talking to you. I already addressed all your points.

[muted jasper]

Something non-higher beings can do.

As long as they have focus and are filled with void.

[muted jasper]

[idle sequoia]

Broken vessel should’ve had focus before it died

[long oak]

Name someone who could have killed the hollow knight and absorb the infection AND suppress it with the abyss

[raven escarp]

zote obviously

[long oak]

Go on, I'll wait

[muted jasper]

"suppress it with the abyss" ???

[idle sequoia]

A powerful character

[muted jasper]

Wdym

[idle sequoia]

Not all powerful characters are higher beings

[muted jasper]

Well, a powerful Vessel. Not all powerful characters can absorb light and stuff.

[long oak]

He came from the abyss no? And he was created by the king with those powers

[idle sequoia]

Meant that lol

[junior granite]

this made me do a silly little laugh screw you

[muted jasper]

Ok...? But what does "suppress it with the abyss" means ???

[long oak]

you clearly saw the ending, he suppresses the infection to keep it from spreading, as the hollow knight had it just leaking out of him

[proven thorn]

Probably meant the void

[long oak]

they are the same thing???

[proven thorn]

No

The abyss is the area, void is the black stuff

[muted jasper]

Broken Vessel could've done the same thing if it was lucky enough to get to there.

[long oak]

no DUH but he wouldn't have those if the abyss wasn't there

[idle sequoia]

Yeah he just got tired and went to sleep then forgot to wake up

[proven thorn]

Thw radiance is inside the hk, not relataed to the abyss

[muted jasper]

The Hollow Knight likely did the same at first, and then slowly cracked until it leaked out.

[long oak]

I'm losing brain cells speaking to you

[proven thorn]

Happens

[muted jasper]

Proof: the fountain statue in City of Tears shows a time without infection after the Hollow Knight was sealed.

[idle sequoia]

Broken vessel was probably a lot stronger as a vessel

[long oak]

at the end of the fight he did reach out so maybe he returned for a short time

[muted jasper]

Oh wow damn that totally disproves my point and is totally proof that vessels are Higher Beings 💥

[idle sequoia]

He’s already dead

[long oak]

no der

[muted jasper]

Character who "dies" most in the game, 4 times total if you stretch.

[surreal ledge]

You know that this wasn't supposed to disprove your point?

[proven thorn]

Amazing

[long oak]

but the infection leaves his body after you win he STILL reaches out

[proven thorn]

Y’all the vessels are genderless

[idle sequoia]

Yeah he could’ve fell like that

[muted jasper]

Indeed, because my point is correct

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[long oak]

so he falls, infection leaves, and he gets up and reaches out to you, and then falls over again

100% makes sense

[surreal ledge]

[proven thorn]

Ngl I disagree so you’re actually the wrong one

[idle sequoia]

I know I just always say he because I forget and I’m not misgendering a human so it doesn’t matter

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[surreal ledge]

Bro this wasn't even about the topic

[long oak]

?

[proven thorn]

Not talking to you

[long oak]

fair

[muted jasper]

So true toasterstie.

[proven thorn]

Talking to the guy who thinks the vessels aren’t higher beings

[long oak]

oh thank you

[muted jasper]

That's me !

[surreal ledge]

Doesn't being born by two higher beingsnmake you a higher being

[muted jasper]

No

[long oak]

anyway, @idle sequoia Imma tackle the 2nd door now

[muted jasper]

[proven thorn]

Yeah ir would make sense

[muted jasper]

No it wouldn't.

[idle sequoia]

Ok cool

[muted jasper]

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "Higher Being" is.

[proven thorn]

Cause grimm is aware of being in godhome and hornet (child of pale king) is aware that she’s dreaming

[surreal ledge]

It should be like getting a Citizenship of another country you get it if your parents have it

[muted jasper]

Irrelevant.

Sheo does too.

[proven thorn]

That’s not a god arguments

[muted jasper]

Not what Higher Beings are.

[proven thorn]

Wait wair uhmnn true actually

[long oak]

if we're going by this logic wouldn't ALL vessels be higher beings? the king made them

[surreal ledge]

Yes

[molten moat]

We arent going by that logic

[surreal ledge]

That is what we are talking about

[long oak]

but we are

[idle sequoia]

Well the knight becomes a higher being

[surreal ledge]

All vessels are higher beings

[muted jasper]

Because that logic is wrong

[idle sequoia]

In the godhome ending

[surreal ledge]

That is the topic

[muted jasper]

A Higher Being is not a species, it's a title.

[molten moat]

we cant create a logic that isnt what decided to be. Lore exists and is not made up by us

[proven thorn]

Zote higer being real

That doesn’t really prove anything tbh

[long oak]

I love it when people join VC and they don't look in chat to see if they replied that way, So fantastic

[muted jasper]

It only depends on the person themselves, not who their family was.

Most vessels are not strong enough to qualify as Higher Beings.

[idle sequoia]

Yeah white lady is the strongest

[surreal ledge]

Well knight is a higher being then

[long oak]

yeah

[surreal ledge]

True

[long oak]

you just proved it that the knight IS a higher being

[muted jasper]

The only time it's strong enough is after getting VoidHeart.

[proven thorn]

It kills other higher beings

Like grimm

[muted jasper]

With VoidHeart.

[surreal ledge]

Oh yeah because it can't beat grimm who is a higher being without it

[idle sequoia]

The knight becomes a higher being when he gets voidheart

[proven thorn]

Grimm

[muted jasper]

Grimm is just a vessel to the Nightmare Heart, the actual Higher Being.

[long oak]

You do realize he over comes the hollow knight, hollownests greatest fighter and vessel

[idle sequoia]

Because he’s technically the shade lord already

[muted jasper]

You cannot kill the Nightmare Heart.

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[proven thorn]

Banishment ngl

[idle sequoia]

There both higher beings because there the same

[muted jasper]

The Hollow Knight is not a Higher Being.

[proven thorn]

Urh fuck this shit I’m out

[molten moat]

Thk isnt hallownests greatest fighter

[long oak]

true

[muted jasper]

Grimm is weak.

[idle sequoia]

No he’s not

[long oak]

This guy really loves disagree with people

[idle sequoia]

Only in gameplay

[muted jasper]

That's like saying Grimmkin novice are Higher Beings because they're the heart too.

[surreal ledge]

Then he should not qualify for higher being

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[idle sequoia]

There part of it

[molten moat]

He isnt

[muted jasper]

(see White Lady dialogue with GrimmChild, the rest of the troupe is as much the Nightmare Heart as Grimm)

((well grimmkins))

[idle sequoia]

The gimmkin are part of the nightmare heart and the nightmare heart is a higher being

[muted jasper]

Indeed, I've been saying since the start the heart is.

And even then it's debatable.

Nightmare Heart is probably the Higher Being closest to be too weak to count as one.

[idle sequoia]

Lore wise Grimm is strong

[surreal ledge]

But if Grimm isn't a higher being and it is a body of nightmare heart them nightmare heart also should not be higher being

[muted jasper]

Vessel of the Nightmare Heart.

Your logic is flawed. It just doesn't follow.
You can be a strong being with insane nightmare powers like long distance teleportation, brainwashing and seals while your vessel is way weaker.

[surreal ledge]

I mean brainwashing isn't the strongest thing to do

[muted jasper]

Yeah, that's why I say the Nightmare Heart being a Higher Being is debatable.

[proven thorn]

Is chat still stupid

[idle sequoia]

Seems like it

[proven thorn]

Cool

I should’ve stayed in the art chats ngl

Banned

Oh wait you’re gay probably that’s based

[idle sequoia]

Nightmare heart more than qualities for a higher being

[proven thorn]

Oh my 😳

[proven thorn]

Let’s stop that convo

[dull oracle]

What

[proven thorn]

Their dick is a higher being

[idle sequoia]

You’re weird as fuck i might block you idk

[dull oracle]

I dont think he cares

[proven thorn]

You don’t say

[idle sequoia]

Yeah I know

[proven thorn]

The town inside her

[dull oracle]

Inside who?

[proven thorn]

Brisket

Bucket

Bridge

Brigade

[dull oracle]

What are you on about?

[proven thorn]

Brisket from guilty gear

Bridget

[proven thorn]

This was a genuine mess up lol

[dull oracle]

Is her name brisket ro bridget

[proven thorn]

Bridget

[dull oracle]

Ok, still dont know who she is

[proven thorn]

Cool

She’s trans

And has a jojo

[dull oracle]

The undead unluck anime has been amazing so far

[muted jasper]

inhales
Powerscaling- gets shot

[dull oracle]

Powerscaling is stupid

[muted jasper]

It's funny.

[scenic frost]

I love powerscaling its so stupid

[muted jasper]

Could the Knight (charmless all upgrades) beat sans Undertale ?

[proven thorn]

Probably

[scenic frost]

Yes

Knight with old nail beats Sans

[muted jasper]

I'd say probably not tbh.

[scenic frost]

Sans is weak as shit

[proven thorn]

Sans is strong cause frisk is a mass murderer

[muted jasper]

sans has higher mobility and ranged attacks.
The Knight needs Soul.

[scenic frost]

The "higher mobility" being moving 2 inches out of the way

Knight solos

[proven thorn]

Incredible

[muted jasper]

Teleportation.

[scenic frost]

Knight still solos

[muted jasper]

sans literally has teleportation wdym "moving 2 inches"

[proven thorn]

Most of sans’ power comes from karma and cheating the game

[muted jasper]

He could stay out of reach of the Knight while spamming attacks.

[scenic frost]

Knight doesn't have a soul so sans's soul attacks don't work

[scenic frost]

And knight would just dodge as sans gets more and more tired

[proven thorn]

Merasmus

[muted jasper]

sans has 22 attacks before getting tired iirc

[eternal juniper]

i feel like the soul vessel would count as a soul in the undertale universe but ehh

[muted jasper]

Knight has 9 hp.

[scenic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-nod-nodding-jeremiah-johnson-agree-gif-16075773

[scenic frost]

He doesn't have a soul he just has a mass of collected soul juice

[scenic frost]

Yeah, attacks the knight would just dodge

[eternal juniper]

and that collected soul juice would probably count as a soul

[scenic frost]

Probably not ngl

[muted jasper]

Plus as I said with teleport he'd get away easily.
The reason sans doesn't teleport away in Undertale is because he is trying to block the way.

[eternal juniper]

seeing as it's soul juice

[scenic frost]

He'd get tired and wouldn't be able to do shit

[muted jasper]

Overall the Knight will likely never reach sans.

[proven thorn]

Just cause they’re both called soul doesn’t mean they’re the same

[scenic frost]

Knight with major glitches tho...

[muted jasper]

Teleportation doesn't tire him, his tunnel at the end wouldn't be the same if it did.

[proven thorn]

The knight doesn’t have any determination

[scenic frost]

[proven thorn]

Probably

[scenic frost]

Prove it

[eternal juniper]

oh no Little Ghost 100% would be able to reach and kill Sans, just wouldn't be as easy as some people say it is

[muted jasper]

Soul juice SOUL Juice.

[scenic frost]

Little ghost would fucking rip sans a new one

Little ghost genociding the undertale verse would be funny ngl

[proven thorn]

Why would they fight though

[muted jasper]

Because I want to powerscale them.

[scenic frost]

Powerscaling

[proven thorn]

Wild

[muted jasper]

So I told them to fight.

[eternal juniper]

Powerscaling

[proven thorn]

I fucking hate

[muted jasper]

[sly hound]

[scenic frost]

[dense mist]

[past glacier]

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[muted jasper]

Anyway Undyne the Undying against Nightmare King Grimm- (he dies in seconds)

[eternal juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-undertale-dancetale-ur-mom-sans-undertale-gif-24443920

[scenic frost]

Nkg fucking solos

[proven thorn]

Undyne is fucking awesome

[eternal juniper]

Noot Noot fucking solos wdym

[muted jasper]

Bruh hell no NKG is like mid high tier Undying is high tier.

[junior granite]

nkg wins

[scenic frost]

Nkg is gonna turn her into fishsticks 💀💀💀💀💀

[proven thorn]

She literally is like “fuck you” and decides not to die

[eternal juniper]

high tier my ass

[scenic frost]

What the fuck are you talking about "mid high tier" and "high tier"

[eternal juniper]

^

[scenic frost]

What the fuck does that mean

[muted jasper]

Undying is stronger than Nightmare King.

[scenic frost]

No she isn't

[proven thorn]

Actually debatable

She just can’t stand heat

[scenic frost]

Merasmus solos both tho

[muted jasper]

Nightmare King is like around PV strength.

[proven thorn]

SO TRUE BESTIE

[scenic frost]

Nkg's main attacks are fire and undyne is especially weak to fire

[proven thorn]

“Hey let’s powerscale”
“You’re wrong I’m right”

[proven thorn]

Yep

[eternal juniper]

no, she is not
If she was, she wouldn't have lost to a fucking child
canonically, it only takes 1 try for Frisk, a damn child, to kill her

also, FIRE WOULD PROBABLY INSTAKILL HER

[proven thorn]

Frisk literally has the power of a god

They can just cheat the universe

Determination lets them beat anything

[muted jasper]

...no ???
First off that "child" can destroy the universe.
Second off respawning in UT is canon. Not necessarily one try.

[scenic frost]

Undyne hearing "bonus ducks" and getting fucking nuked by bombs

[proven thorn]

We don’t know if undying undyne cares about heat though

[scenic frost]

Why wouldn't she

She's still the same person just buffed

[eternal juniper]

That child can only destroy the universe after giving up their soul to another child at lv 20
without Chara the erase button wouldn't exist

[proven thorn]

Idk maybe the whole large amounts of determination

[muted jasper]

Murderboi route Frisk would take down anyone in HK universe short of Radiance or Lord of Shades / other creatures who have low-key immunity to physical injuries.

[proven thorn]

Yeag

[scenic frost]

Yeah probably. Nkg still solos undyne tho.

[proven thorn]

Yep

[muted jasper]

Undying, huge difference.

[scenic frost]

Undyne will get hit by one fireball and fucking die

[muted jasper]

Me when 99 DF

[scenic frost]

Me when she still fucking died

[proven thorn]

Undyne can’t enter the nightmare realm

Smh

[scenic frost]

No nightmare realm?

Alr here's a more fair matchup lvl 1 frisk with stick vs goku

[proven thorn]

Uhmn

[muted jasper]

Assuming they have DT they cannot really lose

[proven thorn]

Comparing stuff from different universes and games works kind of weird ngl

[proven thorn]

Yeah that lol

[scenic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-memes2022funny-meme-face-punch-gif-25436787

[proven thorn]

Okay but like

[muted jasper]

But Goku breaks time iirc so he wins anyway ? Or something ?

idk Goku Powerscaling.

[scenic frost]

Spawnkilling

[proven thorn]

Pacifist frisk vs genocide frisk

[scenic frost]

Pacifist frisk straight up

[muted jasper]

eh

[proven thorn]

Gay down

[muted jasper]

Which one is more Determined ? That's the question basically right ?

[proven thorn]

Yep

[scenic frost]

Pacifist frisk would tank every attack genocide frisk throws at them

Because of the power of friendship

[muted jasper]

Geno has SAVE text "Determination." at every single area but Pacifist tanks hits from god...

[scenic frost]

Okay here's an interesting one

Radiance vs God of Hyperdeath Asriel

[muted jasper]

WELL

[proven thorn]

Oooo

[scenic frost]

Both don't have many feats

More specifically absrad

[proven thorn]

Ah

[muted jasper]

OH

[proven thorn]

That’s a hard one

[muted jasper]

Ok I figured it out.

[scenic frost]

Both have no feats

[muted jasper]

God of HyperDeath wins because

[proven thorn]

Let’s pretend he can’t load n shit lol

[muted jasper]

(this would be way easier to type down on keyboard wait a few minutes would you)

[scenic frost]

He literally can't

For some reason only omega flowey can do that

[proven thorn]

I mean I think he should be able to if frisk didn’t have more determination

[proven thorn]

It’s weird

[scenic frost]

Daytime Empress of Light beats both tho ngl

[proven thorn]

Who

Galiem vs shade lord and Darkon vs absrad

[scenic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/light-uncanny-gif-20759696

[proven thorn]

Or whatever the world of light things are called

[scenic frost]

Who

[proven thorn]

Guys from world of light in smash ultimate

[scenic frost]

Oh I didn't play world of light so idk

[proven thorn]

Fair nuff

[scenic frost]

Probably smash ultimate guys

[proven thorn]

Shade lord vs one foreign flower

[muted jasper]

AS I WAS SAYING

[scenic frost]

Kirby could beat the entire undertale + hollow knight verses ngl

[proven thorn]

So true

[muted jasper]

God of HyperDeath beats AbsRad

[proven thorn]

Why

[muted jasper]

since both cannot damage the other in a way that matters

but

GoH has Flowey's memories and personality, so he's used to testing literally everything. He'd try out void at some point.

He'd also try out dream-related stuff.

[scenic frost]

That wouldn't count since they're still from their own verses

[muted jasper]

?

[scenic frost]

Flowey wouldn't magically have void

Since void doesn't exist in undertale

[muted jasper]

I was assuming the battle was taking place in the HK universe since UT doesn't have any Dream Realm that we know of.

[proven thorn]

Hey so like

[muted jasper]

And also assuming no SAVE

which is part of the UT universe.

[proven thorn]

If the knight didn’t have void heart what would happen in dream no more

[scenic frost]

No. Whenever we do power scaling unless we specify location then we assume its in some random white void or smth. With absolutely no ways to benefit one side over the other.

[muted jasper]

We wouldn't be able to do that silly void thing so we'd just fight Rad without being able to "kill" it till we die.

[proven thorn]

Why wouldn’t it be able to kill her

[muted jasper]

Then none can hurt the other in a way that matters.
I'd still say GoH has the edge due to ∞ AT.

[scenic frost]

Because she's immune unless void

[muted jasper]

presumably

[scenic frost]

He can't kill her

[proven thorn]

Is there any proof of this

Like the knight manages to beat her up real bad

[muted jasper]

It's not outright stated but implied.

[scenic frost]

That's literally why you need voidheart

[proven thorn]

I mean we would be able ro fight her without it if hornet decided to help us

[scenic frost]

Yeah but not kill her

We're only able to kill her by using our shade which is void

[muted jasper]

Hornet knows this, which is why she only decides to gamble her life for this if we have VoidHeart.
How does she know ? Ehhhhhh...

[proven thorn]

Maybe she doesn’t and it’s just game design

[muted jasper]

she says it tho

[scenic frost]

What other matchups can we discuss

[idle sequoia]

Radiance can’t die without voidheart

[muted jasper]

Jevil VS Unn

[scenic frost]

Probably Jevil idk

Does Unn have any real fighting power?

[muted jasper]

(Unn wins because in a blank void Jevil doesn't have the fountain to give him a body )

[idle sequoia]

Unn can’t fight

Doesn’t have any power

[scenic frost]

In this situation its provided that both fighters are given what they need to even exist

[proven thorn]

Wait huh?

[idle sequoia]

Lore wise it faded away for some reason

[scenic frost]

So yeah Jevil wins

[proven thorn]

Jevil vs spamton neo

[scenic frost]

Jevil

[muted jasper]

SNeo wins.

[idle sequoia]

I know a completely fair fight

[scenic frost]

Or actually idk

[proven thorn]

Oh?

[muted jasper]

Dream Nail dialogue after getting VoidHeart she's thinking about you unifying the darkness and in front of the Black Egg that she'd risk it for that.

[muted jasper]

Or actually not certain, but probably.

[idle sequoia]

Primal aspid vs madara uchiha

[proven thorn]

Who

[scenic frost]

Jevil can beat him by cutting the strings. Jevil doesn't actually die in his fight so its unknown how really tough he is.

[scenic frost]

Oh shit

[idle sequoia]

Guy from fortnite

[scenic frost]

Primal Aspid vs Goku when?

[muted jasper]

The NEO body is supposed to be stronger than Jevil.
Then again, how much of Darkners' stats going up with Chapters is canon is unknown.

[scenic frost]

Jevil can beat Spamton by cutting his strings

[idle sequoia]

I remember when somebody said that madara beats satiama

[muted jasper]

Spamton NEO didn't have enough experience with it to use the NEO body properly.

[scenic frost]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[proven thorn]

Okay but what if they just make out

[muted jasper]

And SNeo could beat Jevil by hitting him with diamonds before turning giant and eating him alive.

[scenic frost]

Madara does probably beat the entire hollow knight verse tho

[scenic frost]

Jevil def wouldn't die from that

[muted jasper]

Well yeah that's what would happen normally that's why when powerscaling we assume both are fighting to the death.

[idle sequoia]

They probably debated too much anime and their brain rotted

[muted jasper]

Getting eated ? I'd say that's rather strong.

[proven thorn]

What if spamton neo was attuned in godhome

[muted jasper]

I eated it.

[scenic frost]

Oh god are we gonna get to the real debate? saitama vs goku

[proven thorn]

Can’t Jevil teleport

[scenic frost]

Yeah he can lol

[muted jasper]

Right right.

He has higher mobility, but weaker powers over the area.

[scenic frost]

And he'll still beat spamton

[proven thorn]

I think Jevil only loses in game cause he’s messing around

He’s playing a game

[scenic frost]

Jevil doesn't lose because he got beat up he loses because he's tired and wants to sleep

[proven thorn]

He doesn’t even get properly defeated

[muted jasper]

ehh

[proven thorn]

Yeah

[muted jasper]

...no...

[proven thorn]

also spamton is just a easier fight

[muted jasper]

That's only on Pacifist.

[scenic frost]

Real and true

[muted jasper]

Try Jevil with Chap2 stats.

[proven thorn]

Whar

[muted jasper]

Even easier.

[scenic frost]

No. It's the same thing on no mercy.

[proven thorn]

Yeah

Spamton either blows up or stops working

[scenic frost]

You attack him until he gets tired and he stops fighting

[proven thorn]

No strings?

[proven thorn]

Yeah he just willingly joins your party

[muted jasper]

No.

[scenic frost]

[muted jasper]

He doesn't go tired if you beat him up.

[scenic frost]

Yes he does

[proven thorn]

I think he does

[muted jasper]

He just goes "damn you're strong, but there are stronger people you'll see soon, also the Queen is coming, and I'll join your team *becomes scythe/ax/knife"

*💥

[scenic frost]

He was also just tired which is why he stopped fighting

[muted jasper]

Proof ?

[proven thorn]

Yeah

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

[scenic frost]

My proof: I looked at it

[proven thorn]

Proof that he didn’t

[proven thorn]

So true bestie

[muted jasper]

His name is blue when he's tired. You can easily beat him up without that.

[proven thorn]

Ngl cookie you’re outnumbered get domcracied

[scenic frost]

Blue only means he can be pacified. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't tired by just beating him up

[muted jasper]

And he has dialogue saying he's exhausted when you Pacify him.
Dialogue he does not have when lowering his HP to 0.

[proven thorn]

But like

[muted jasper]

Yeah, and enemies can be pacified when they're tired.

[scenic frost]

He still didn't even die or be injured in any way

[proven thorn]

Compared to spamton he does not seem very defeated

Spamton fucking blew up

[muted jasper]

Same as any Darkner.

well

[proven thorn]

Or froze

[dull oracle]

Still powerscaling?

[muted jasper]

for the death part

[scenic frost]

Ralsei, Lancer

[proven thorn]

Yes 😔

[muted jasper]

Because Darkners can be injured. And Jevil was when you beat him up.

[dull oracle]

Keep it up ig👍

[muted jasper]

Proof: his HP went down by over 3500 !!!

[proven thorn]

Noelle vs joe mama

[proven thorn]

!!!

[muted jasper]

What state is Noelle in ? not physical location

[scenic frost]

No he wasn't

[muted jasper]

Just think it's worth mentioning.

[proven thorn]

Alaska (really fucking cold)

[muted jasper]

Yes he was, his HP dropped to zero !

[scenic frost]

Missouri. SHE SHOT THE KING

So?

[muted jasper]

Same as any other Darkner you beat up.

[proven thorn]

Ngl this convo is stupid bye

[scenic frost]

Goku vs Chara who wins

[proven thorn]

Goku vs China

[scenic frost]

China

[muted jasper]

Goku vs Dream Bowser.

[scenic frost]

Me, I would win

[proven thorn]

Didn’t know they gave king koopa a dream variant

[muted jasper]

Or Dreamy Bowser, whatever idk all I know is that it's apparently the strongest Mario character or something.

[scenic frost]

King Koopa is a different character than Bowser ngl

[proven thorn]

Bowoomp

Was trying to make his name sound more like a hollow knighr boss but whatever

[muted jasper]

🐚 < KING KOOPA > 🐚

[minor karma]

mario and luigi dream team is peak

[proven thorn]

[muted jasper]

How many Kirby characters could take down Goku ?

[proven thorn]

At least 1 probably

[muted jasper]

Can Void Termina beat Goku ?

[minor karma]

kirby

[muted jasper]

Poyo.

[minor karma]

kirby could solo

[idle sequoia]

The only hollow knight character that can give goku a hard time is a primal aspid

[scenic frost]

And zote

[proven thorn]

Oblobbles can go to hell

[idle sequoia]

They aren’t too bad if you kill them near the same time

[proven thorn]

Still the worst boss

[idle sequoia]

When one dies the other one goes insane and gets annoying

[scenic frost]

Second hardest boss next to failed champion

[proven thorn]

On cod

Ngl just dreamnail him smh

[idle sequoia]

Failed champion wasn’t too bad but that might just be because I was overprepared

[acoustic sierra]

What does 3084 mean. We gotta figure out

[muted jasper]

It means 3000 + random between 1 and 100

[acoustic sierra]

What does that mean then

[muted jasper]

It means SnowGrave's damage calculation is 40*MG + 600 + rand(1-100)

[acoustic sierra]

Toby Fox is the most intelligent man on the planet. Everything he does and puts in his game is with deep reasoning. Like this fucking awesome and cool gif of susie eating chalk

[muted jasper]

It was Powerscaling before.

And HK lore before before.

(people thought every Vessel was a Higher Being)

[idle sequoia]

I don’t want to agree with this person but Mario and Luigi dream team is amazing

Best Mario game

[minor karma]

crazy

the entire m&l series is good

[idle sequoia]

Mario and Luigi dream team is probably the best one tho

It was too hard for 9 year old me to beat tho

I did beat it a many years later

[bleak gazelle]

Bowsers inside story>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[frosty apex]

true!! but i'm biased and have nostalgia glasses on

[quiet kayak]

hello hk offtopic

i can now cruise on blades

[scenic frost]

Kid named

[west verge]

Out of curiosity, what if everyone’s favorite Charm set up?

[lean yoke]

does anyone know if JuniperActias ever fought The Radiance in their Hollow Knight playthrough? i wanted to see their reaction to giant moth queen

considering their v-tuber avatar is a giant funny moth, and all

[lyric niche]

Shaman stone, strength, quick slash, spell twister

[swift vault]

no Charms 👍

[west verge]

Lit

[swift vault]

Spell tester would be nice for Mango!
still misspelling a lot

[west verge]

Im a total noob

Or am I?

Ppl call my build the noob build yet i beat pure vessel on Ascended with it

[lyric niche]

What build?

[swift vault]

what is your build and People say so much nonsense

[lyric niche]

(better not be sharp shadow)

[west verge]

Oh i use sharp shadow

LMAO

[lyric niche]

[west verge]

Im ludicrously good i using sharp shadow

Too much practice

[astral ivy]

My brother likes sharp shadow fr

[swift vault]

Sharp Shadow PoP top

[west verge]

Anyways i use Sharp shadow, Strength, Quick Slash, and Mark of Pride

[astral ivy]

Hes trying ascended PV with it too lmao

[west verge]

I know im a noob

[swift vault]

people say Mop is for noobs....nonsense

[lyric niche]

Everything else is alright

[west verge]

I am not a spell user, it feels wrong to me honestly

[astral ivy]

Guys who's the best hk player in the world atm!!!1!1!1!1!1!11!1!1!1!

[lyric niche]

But no shaman stone smh

[west verge]

It almost feels like cheating, the only fight ill use spells on is Radiance

[swift vault]

category please?

[astral ivy]

Uh

Godhome/challenges

[west verge]

Oh and Flying nosk

[swift vault]

which?

[west verge]

That guy is a son of a bitch

[astral ivy]

Pantheons

[swift vault]

a full run Godhome%?

[astral ivy]

Or full run yea

Not individual anyway

[west verge]

I havent beaten Absrad yet

[astral ivy]

Me neither

Ive made it there but died

[swift vault]

monstah is Pog...but i dunno the leaderboard anymore

[west verge]

Im currently trying to get every boss on ascended

Markoth is a son of a bitch

[astral ivy]

Might ask my brother to do that

He beat nkg ascended and almost pure vessel

He beat absrad on it tho lmao

[west verge]

Funny

[astral ivy]

Its funny because he beat absrad ascended but couldnt beat vessel

[swift vault]

never did something like that yea your brother is top

[west verge]

I got Ascended PV before Ascended NKG

[astral ivy]

Thanks i guess? Lmao

[astral ivy]

By almost i mean he got it to like, the void lashes attack

[swift vault]

Low%?

[astral ivy]

Whats low%?

Sorry im new asf

[swift vault]

pog category

[astral ivy]

Oh whats it abr

[swift vault]

SKIPS

[astral ivy]

Ohhhhhhh

[swift vault]

Itemless Shadeskip 🥭

[astral ivy]

Idk he only plays on his main

He has 110 hours of game and 100 of those are godhome

[west verge]

Why do ppl hate sharp shadow sm anyway lol

[astral ivy]

My brother runs sharp shadow on god

[west verge]

How is it mid? It just takes practice

[astral ivy]

Also is absrad harder than vessel in your opinion

[swift vault]

Strength is Horrible as well in POP 🥭

[west verge]

Yes.

i HATE Absrad

Vessel is a walk in the park

[astral ivy]

Vessel is just our kryptonite fr

[west verge]

Lmao

[astral ivy]

Like we (mostly my bro cause i'm flat bad) struggles more with PV radiant than nkg ascended

(He does both easily but nkg still easier)

[swift vault]

umm PV Radiant is one hit and NKG ascended is five

[astral ivy]

PV radiant is 2 hits
Nkg ascended is 4

What ya on abt

[swift vault]

WHAT? kay then 😆

[west verge]

Hot take: Spells suck

[astral ivy]

I mean

[swift vault]

Anika Two hits to die on Radiant now

[astral ivy]

Damage you take

Wait

Radiant

[dry smelt]

I just beat radiant bv AND DIED AFTER THEIR DEMISE I love this game

[astral ivy]

I'M STUPID

I MEANT ATTUNED

I'M DUMB

Mate i started playing a week ago

I am

Not used to this game

[swift vault]

same

[astral ivy]

I meant to say he does NKG ascended easier than PV attuned

[west verge]

Wtf

We are total opposites

[astral ivy]

And iirc he pulled NKG radiant (not sure) but not PV ascended yet

Or got it to 25%

[swift vault]

because your Bro made NKG Pogo only

[astral ivy]

Share PV tips

[west verge]

Ascended Markoth is harder then Ascended pure vessel and no one can change my mind

[astral ivy]

Sob

[ivory shore]

markoth is harder than thk

[west verge]

Markoth is fine base form because there is a floor

But then they removed the fucking floor.

[swift vault]

Pogo Markoth and you are fine

[ivory shore]

stop lying

[west verge]

I do, i just get fucked second faze

[swift vault]

Pogo more

[astral ivy]

I can beat radiant moss charger i'm good!

(Wind slash until it dies)

[swift vault]

What?!?!? WOW

[west verge]

Bro can you even call moss charger a boss?

Moss charger is easier than hornet protector

[swift vault]

Mossy hardest boss...still not a good strat right Fant? @lyric niche

[west verge]

And that fight is so damn easy

[swift vault]

no Mango found a strat but it is still really bad

[west verge]

[astral ivy]

Hollow knight is easier than hornet sentinel

Which still pisses me off

I swear they mustve seen how PATHETIC thk was and thats why they made pv

[scenic frost]

Thk was pathetic for a reason. He wasn't the true final boss.

[astral ivy]

True

[ashen wadi]

thk is the boss runback for rad if it was hard then rad would be way more annoying to deal with

[astral ivy]

I once nearly argued with my bro over radiance lmao

I couldnt do it for my life then he took over the controller and did it thrice in a row to flex

Then i got mad 👍

[west verge]

That is true

[west verge]

Yep

Hornet sentinel without the proper supplies can be so fucking hard

[astral ivy]

The day i beat radiance

The world ends

I wonder if i will have done it before he does r5ab

[astral ivy]

Hornet sentinel is like

Hardish

[west verge]

Fr

In a pantheons its pretty easy since its late game

But in the base game it can be kinda difficult

[astral ivy]

True lmao

[scenic frost]

Hornet sentinel almost killed me in p5 several times

She's so fast

[west verge]

Do they speed her up?

In P5?

[swift vault]

How?

on my 2 month ago strat mossy was terrible

[west verge]

[swift vault]

What is your strat to make it so easy?!

[west verge]

You smack it like a ping pong ball

[void grove]

bounce when needed

[swift vault]

cannot do that

actually never tested turnarounds 🤯

[acoustic sierra]

smack it + shade soul

[velvet pike]

👍

[west verge]

Real

[swift vault]

Dreamshield?

[brave blaze]

Does anyone hear have grimm as their fav character or is it just me

[velvet pike]

Yeah sorry didnt see this yet

[swift vault]

ow
just made a Grimmchild one as well...

[velvet pike]

I mean the message. also really havent had 4 hours, even, broken up to watch either

[west verge]

Okay now i only have 2 bosses to get on ascended

Markoth and NKG

[velvet pike]

Oh

Markoth

[west verge]

Pain.

[swift vault]

MArkoth Grimmchild edition is so slow

[west verge]

I have carefree melody cuz i find grimmchild annoying

[velvet pike]

[swift vault]

Grimmchild hits the shield all the time....dunno how i got that challenge

[velvet pike]

Pantheon of Hallownest pacifist edition

[swift vault]

Rules?

[west verge]

I prefer Weaversong

I love spiders

[swift vault]

Weaversong Edition seems Terrifying

[west verge]

Eh fuck it

[velvet pike]

Didn't think that far 🤦‍♀️

[west verge]

Ill remove sharp shadow and try to kill markoth with weaverlings

[swift vault]

oh no then no vid

[heady dew]

why is Grimm so hot

[velvet pike]

Mango it would be torture i think you need a life of fun

[swift vault]

True but Mango Torture itself all the time, it is fine

[velvet pike]

What

[brave blaze]

actually

[heady dew]

wait

[brave blaze]

jk

I just like him a lot

[west verge]

I am not a very big fan of grimm

[brave blaze]

why he's my fav

[west verge]

Tho he is cool

[heady dew]

your pronouns listed on your discord profile are suspiciously similar to those of another user

[velvet pike]

Hmm

Maybe this

[brave blaze]

NOOO

also

[velvet pike]

Apologies

[brave blaze]

i feel like ngk is easy

[west verge]

I prefer Wacky spider.
Tho i love pure vessel

They’re great

[heady dew]

ngk?

[velvet pike]

But grimm is harder than nkg

[brave blaze]

Nightmare king grimm

[velvet pike]

Nightmare king grimm

[west verge]

Grimmmmmmmmmm

[brave blaze]

dream form of grimm

check my pronouns on my porfile guys

profile*

[heady dew]

@brave blaze why are your pronouns on your profile the same of those of another user named @novel totem

[west verge]

MY WEAVERLINGS KEEP FALLING OFF THE PLATFORM

[brave blaze]

idk lol

[heady dew]

yes I know

[velvet pike]

Frogmaster your fave boss is nkg

[brave blaze]

who else thinks ngk is easy

[west verge]

I think Pure Vessel is easier but thats just me

[heady dew]

STOP SAYING NGK

[west verge]

[brave blaze]

WHY

[west verge]

Nightmare Grimm king

[heady dew]

NGK would stand for Nightmare Grimm King

[acoustic sierra]

who else thinks kgn is EASYY

[brave blaze]

IK HE IS EASY

[swift vault]

😆

[heady dew]

SPAMTON WHY

[west verge]

King grimm nightmare?!?! Real

[heady dew]

nightmare Grimm king isn’t a boss

[velvet pike]

Ur profile says Nighrmare king grimm /NKG

[heady dew]

yes I know

[velvet pike]

He is

[brave blaze]

react with a thumbs up to this message if nkg is easy

[velvet pike]

But this is nosk

[swift vault]

[brave blaze]

wait how

[west verge]

Definitely nosk

[velvet pike]

Ij

[heady dew]

it’s a spider

[velvet pike]

*ik

[brave blaze]

hard to beleive a red grimm is supposedly "the hardest boss in the game"

[west verge]

Also i thought Grimm was a Vampire moth, is he really a spider?

[brave blaze]

hard to beleive a red grimm is supposedly "the hardest boss in the game"

[swift vault]

False Knight

[velvet pike]

Idk but hes hot 0w0 oops jk

Why did i say that

[velvet pike]

Failed champion

[swift vault]

yea only rocks is tough

[west verge]

HE IS A VAMPIRE MOTH, WHY TF YOU LOOKIN LIKE WACKY SPIDER

[brave blaze]

Who else is waiting for silk song

[west verge]

Yes.

[velvet pike]

No i forgor

[brave blaze]

i have the game pass so the moment that shit comes out im buying it

[proven thorn]

ngl grimm is a bat

[brave blaze]

i have the game pass so the moment that shit comes out im buying it

Ima stream hk guys anyone wanna watch?

[west verge]

I want them to make it more expensive than normal HK so i can throw more money at TC

[brave blaze]

and if u do just recommend what i should do

[velvet pike]

I guess i'll watch

[brave blaze]

sweet thx

[delicate sigil]

He's more like a focus boss-

[west verge]

I cant, I’m dogsitting rn

[brave blaze]

shit

[velvet pike]

Idk what you do though

[brave blaze]

hello

join my call in general 2 if u wanna watch me stream guys

[west verge]

I’m also trying to beat this bitch named Ascended Markoth

[heady dew]

he’s not just a red Grimm, he attacks far faster, has much harder patterns, and deals 2 masks

[west verge]

[velvet pike]

Actually im going out now and won't have any 5g/4g /mobile data/service srry

[brave blaze]

STREAMING NOW GUYS

im new to da server

hold on gotta find my headphones

[balmy sigil]

Hollow knight

[brave blaze]

[acoustic sierra]

shut up

[proven thorn]

[west verge]

I want to CRY

[heady dew]

@brave blaze I’m watching, beat NKG please lol

[brave blaze]

Guys im streaming in genral two so go watch me stream it helps out and boosts my self esteem

[brave blaze]

[west verge]

i have been trying to get ascended Markoth fir HOURS

[heady dew]

BEAT NKG ON STREAM WOOOO

[balmy sigil]

why is everyone muted in general 2?

[heady dew]

@brave blaze do radiant NKG

[west verge]

Aight fine ill watch

[brave blaze]

i remember playing hollow knight in a ps4

[west verge]

BRO DIED

[brave blaze]

lmao i screwed up my bad

[proven thorn]

L

[brave blaze]

until play pass really said: ''oh look his enjoying the game''

[west verge]

[heady dew]

thought he said it was easy…

[west verge]

[brave blaze]

my bad guys i didn't warm up today

[heady dew]

literally 5 mins after saying it’s easy

[brave blaze]

'' lets fuck this guy's every oportunity of getting 100%''

[heady dew]

just don’t overcharm

[brave blaze]

LMAO

bet

[west verge]

Yalls ever downpogo markoth off the screen?

[proven thorn]

if he's so easy do it no charms no spells no hits

[proven thorn]

yep

[brave blaze]

y'all choose a charm

[heady dew]

if u lose this time you have to say that you can’t do NKG in your username

[proven thorn]

grimmchild

[heady dew]

glowing womb

[brave blaze]

beat absolute radiance

one 1 notch

[west verge]

Its pretty funny ngl

Grubsong

[brave blaze]

flukenest

bet

[heady dew]

@brave blaze why are you on a cheated save

Grimmchild is only lvl 1

it should be at least lvl3

[west verge]

WHAT XD