sk-discussion

[faint kite]

@cedar trench ye yk the guy in the suit

[cerulean tree]

im not THAT funny just yet

[cedar trench]

uuuh

which

[faint kite]

@cedar trench i forgoy the name

[cedar trench]

i love the himbo scientist guy that dresses like a 300bc ancient greece citizen and has ADHD

[velvet sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-child-capybara-ok-i-pull-up-watch-pc-gif-24181530

[faint kite]

@cedar trench do you mean wizard cookie?

[cedar trench]

mulled juice cookie

[faint kite]

@my second favourite is the guild dragon cookies

[cedar trench]

motherfucker saw the opportunity to win a war and he said "nah i dont feel like it bruh ong frfr"

[shell yacht]

shit anime tbh

[keen blaze]

April 2012

[faint kite]

is that supposed to be a starwars reference

[velvet sentinel]

capybara

[shell yacht]

capybara has bad taste in anime

[cedar trench]

nahj

[faint kite]

oh

[trim estuary]

Sheeeesh a mega-blitzruhe

[velvet sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-ok-i-pull-up-capybara-ok-i-pull-up-hop-out-at-the-after-party-you-and-all-your-friends-gif-23536896

[shell yacht]

i hate mumble rap

[faint kite]

@cedar trench whose ur fav cookie

[shell yacht]

begone

[shell yacht]

the ones in my stomach

[faint kite]

fair point

[faint kite]

oh

[cedar trench]

not counting the one in my pfp

[solemn tartan]

is that a fruit salad

[faint kite]

is he new

[cedar trench]

that is mulled juice

[small goblet]

what about dirtmouth rap

[faint kite]

i swear ive never seen him

[brittle garnet]

wtf is cookie run
is it an actual game or is it like a fake fandom game

[shell yacht]

is that Dionysus or Jesus as a cookie

[velvet sentinel]

Diony sus

[cedar trench]

he is meant to be dionysus

[verbal trench]

cookie run is the definition of gender nonconformity and i love it

[velvet sentinel]

Je sus

[shell yacht]

never heard it

[faint kite]

like the latest i played was around when cookie kingdom got release

[cedar trench]

its a real vidya game

[cedar trench]

yeah hes from kingdom

[faint kite]

oh

damn

[cedar trench]

he is like adhd personified its kinda bonkers

[faint kite]

hmm ive missed out on lots of stuff

trandom question but did cookie run release an anime

[faint kite]

because it seems perfect for an anime

[coarse leaf]

hi

[uncut citrus]

[faint kite]

ever since i saw some animated trailer for something i thought cookie run was good for an anime

[coarse leaf]

i wanted to stream in a vc in this server but i have to stream celeste on my own server, sadge

[faint kite]

anyone else in this server play cookie run

[keen blaze]

hi

[coarse leaf]

cookie? did you wanna watch for a bit? if u want ill send an invite

[faint kite]

ok

[cedar trench]

nO'?????!?="?="?

[faint kite]

damn cookie run seemed perfect

for anime

[coarse leaf]

@sinful flare hi kaan

[sinful flare]

i wann awtch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coarse leaf]

can i invite you then cuz i think u left

[sinful flare]

yea i left because i left all hk servers for isolation

before exam on 5th june

[keen blaze]

I'm not doing anything rn so I wouldn't be against it

[sinful flare]

for like 2 or 3 weeks

[tawny basalt]

What about non hk servers

[sinful flare]

uhhh i just dont chat there lol

[keen blaze]

Which ones ?

[faint kite]

Execute Order 66

[tawny basalt]

Don’t feel like it

[faint kite]

Good soldiers follow orders

[tawny basalt]

Bold of you to assume I’m a good soilder

[faint kite]

Die for your sins

Die for the empire

[jade crater]

I never understood people's needs to leave servers to 'focus' on something, only to rejoin later. I always go like 'just don't glance at discord'?

[small goblet]

hard to make yourself not constantly do something if you already do it constantly

[jade crater]

I've had people going as far as requesting to be banned in some scenarios

[cedar trench]

things are strange

[small goblet]

yeah some people asked to be muted here

[jade crater]

people are weird

[faint kite]

Execute Order 66

[cedar trench]

part of me feels like its sometimes done for attention??? but thats a really negative mindset to have

[slender musk]

when Silksong comes out I'd expect a large volume of people to straight-up leave the server to avoid spoilers

[jade crater]

no, the few people who dm'd me for a ban didn't say that stuff in public

[small goblet]

just don't click on #sk-discussion smh

[jade crater]

I guess some people have issues controling themselves

[cedar trench]

i have no clue

[jade crater]

this is even dumber

[faint kite]

does nobody understand the reference

[cedar trench]

i know one guy that tried to evade a channel specific mute 3 times and i would've forgotten if he didnt constantly bury the art channel

[faint kite]

gtg sleep

[cedar trench]

night

[jade crater]

it's not like mods or TC themselves are going to constantly ateveryone with spoilers

and even at that point you can suppress ateveryone

[small goblet]

well i mean the trailer had @ everyone

[jade crater]

this still remains

[small goblet]

yeah obviously

[slender musk]

of course

but still everyone else will probably only be talking about that (even in the HK-specific channels that I'm sure the mods will have difficulty suppressing initially) so it's hard to avoid here. Better to just leave temporarily and rid yourself of the easy-to-access temptation

[jade crater]

this makes no sense to me

you can easily just not click on the server until you're done with the game

[cedar trench]

im curious about something, how will silksong spoilers be handled by mods?

[small goblet]

there surely will be exactly one fucker who would post ss ending screenshot in spoilerless channel

[keen blaze]

Basically: Peoples are dumb.

[cedar trench]

will any unspoilered ss screenshot be instantly deleted

[small goblet]

depends on a channel

[keen blaze]

there will be two #hk-lore

[jade crater]

that's hard for mods to do, but it could be a setting on dyno as far as I know

there's also the option of just disabling people from posting images for a while

[small goblet]

it will be very hard to make an exact list of ban/mutewords

[trim estuary]

Instantly deleted and the persons discord account added to a watchlist

[keen blaze]

"for a while"

[cedar trench]

as god wanted

[jade crater]

I meant the images not being marked as spoiler, there definitely is a dyno setting for this

[slender musk]

think of it this way

Say you have a candy bar. You can eat the candy bar at any time, but you don't want to until a specific task is done, and boy do you want to eat that candy bar.

Would you rather have it stowed away somewhere you can't see, to better deal with the temptation, or just have it on a pedestal in all its tasty glory because hiding things to avoid temptation is somehow "stupid?"

[keen blaze]

and a warn+week Timeout

[trim estuary]

They’ll probably do that but #off-topic will get flooded by people playing silksong that don’t know that pins exist

[small goblet]

if it exists then it's great, never heard of it myself though

[jade crater]

sorry I don't get such urges, this does not apply to me

maybe I'm weird

[cedar trench]

he doesnt have ADHD

[trim estuary]

Out of sight, out of mind

[jade crater]

more like a good sense of self control 🤔

[brittle garnet]

it's easy some people are used to viewing this channel or have developed a habit so they might not be able to stop themselves from viewing it

Many people today don't have a good sense of self-control

[trim estuary]

true…

[keen blaze]

See ? no self-control, Couldn't be someone like me !

[small goblet]

no it's just that there are like a lot of weirdos like this me included

[haughty ingot]

Yea

[jade crater]

the option does exist on dyno's automod btw

you can set a rule for 'unspoilered' images

[small goblet]

damn that's sad, means that mods will be working much harder
hmm maybe that's the reason for mods getting hired rn

[jade crater]

changing an option in dyno isn't hard work lol

[small goblet]

oh wait so there is that thing?

[jade crater]

dyno will just autodelete any images that aren't tagged as spoilers

[small goblet]

oh damn that's cool

ah shit i realised that i firstly read it as dyno doesn't have the option, my bad

[jade crater]

yeah I noticed, but no, dyno HAS the option

I don't know if it'll be needed globally in this server, automod can also be restricted to a select few channels while mods would moderate the other channels themselves

it would still be an increase in their duties but it'd make things easier

[burnt topaz]

i cant disagree with this because the only reason i saw this was accidentally clicking on here instead of another server

[brittle garnet]

[jade crater]

I guess I think too much all the time and it makes me unable to enter autopilot often

[normal token]

gonna be honest even I go autopilot going on this channel, but I'm chill with not being here if I decide to leave this server

[jade crater]

people can do whatever they want to keep themselves away from spoilers, I just think it's weird and made a comment on it

[normal token]

ye good bye all

[jade crater]

I personally think it's unnecessary to take some of those measures but that's just me

[brittle garnet]

damn, this is what, the 4th time Pichu left the server?

it's happened before at least

[jade crater]

wait they actually left I thought it was a joke

[uncut citrus]

Oh goodbye Once more, Sven

Yeah Sven left already once for months

He just came back for the news

[tawny basalt]

Sven left? Wow, wasn’t expecting that

[burnt topaz]

he doesnt love us

[tawny basalt]

[uncut citrus]

[digital swift]

holy crap you could get https://silks.ong for very cheap

[tawny basalt]

Why do I not trust the link

[vivid belfry]

probably because it's not a real website (yet)

this user is posting the price to purchase the domain listed

[tawny basalt]

That’s fair

[keen blaze]

poggers

[burnt topaz]

time to get the silksong domain

[digital swift]

yeah, it's unregistered as of now

I wonder if I should grab it

I dunno what I'd do with it though

[burnt topaz]

wait dont just spend £14 on the silksong domain

[obtuse kindle]

DO IT a caps

[burnt topaz]

wait actually

[obtuse kindle]

did not mean to capitalize but do it

[burnt topaz]

put this on it

[brisk sinew]

hi is || hollwo knight 2 basicaly hornet perspective of the first hollow knight game or an entirely new story ? if its a new story is it after or before hollow knight story ||

[vivid belfry]

you don't have to spoiler tag here

silksong takes place in a new kingdom starring an entirely new cast aside from hornet

as for prequel sequel, we don't currently have enough information to say definitively, but it seems like sequel is more likely given what's been shown so far

[brisk sinew]

the game is out right? silksong

[vivid belfry]

no

[spice plume]

nope

[keen blaze]

oof

[wheat temple]

We all wish it was.

[vivid belfry]

all we know is that the release window is within the next year

[brisk sinew]

oh i see i guess i will take my sweet time finishing hollow knight then

[fathom nexus]

make it redirect to a rickroll

[desert basin]

I recommend staying out of this server until you're done. We dont filter spoilers here

[spice plume]

We are all patiently waiting for it to release. Do finish hollow knight in the mean time, as it’s very rewarding and worth your time. Plus, if silksong is a sequel, you may want to keep playing hollow knight so you can see the end(s) of the game

[digital swift]

I'm genuinely tempted, but idk if 30 seconds of shits and giggles and 15 page visits is worth dropping £15 on

[tawdry valley]

*11 months

[digital swift]

Who knows though

[fathom nexus]

fair

[brisk sinew]

yeah i basicaly speed run the first half of game now its getting realy annoying ( lost ken )

[tawdry valley]

I keep forgetting this is what I look like.

[spice plume]

If you wanna drop 15 pounds don’t buy a website, get on a diet!

[digital swift]

Maybe I could make it fetch the latest Silksong news and add links to different store pages when it's out?

[brittle garnet]

it's an entirely new story, we don't know if it is before or after Hollow Knight's story, but it takes place in an entirely different land than Hollow Knight

[spice plume]

Yes do that

[brisk sinew]

i see got it ty guys nd girls

[spice plume]

no silksong?

[coarse leaf]

next decade

[round zealot]

“Before or after hollow knight story”
Wasn’t hallownest is the only last place that was habitable or smthing as it was stated in the lore

In Silksong you could see entirely new areas, so possibly entirely new story not bonded with hk

[vivid belfry]

hallownest was proclaimed as the "last kingdom" because it was intended to last forever

[nimble pebble]

Actually that's just PK propaganda

[vivid belfry]

we all know how that turned out

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[round zealot]

Right

[coarse leaf]

yes

[nimble pebble]

Hallownest born bugs have been fed so much propaganda that I doubt they know other kingdoms exist

[round zealot]

They do?

[hasty oar]

wait were those tablets there since before the infection

[vivid belfry]

I'm not sure if that particular lie was ever circulated WITHIN the kingdom, seems more like a billboard thing

[brittle garnet]

we know for sure it's an entirely new story disconnected from Hollow Knight

[nimble pebble]

Like we meet no less than like 9-15 bugs not from Hallownest and they had to come from somewhere

[nimble pebble]

I wouldn't doubt it, sounds like dumdums of Hallownest bought anything the King said

[vivid belfry]

I mean yeah but it's such an easily discredited fact

hallownest used to be a major hub for travelers

[nimble pebble]

Well, they had to travel from somewhere

[brittle garnet]

maybe bugs from other kingdoms never came to Hallownest when it was still alive cuz nobody came out of it, and people only started coming after its fall to plunder it

[vivid belfry]

yes, that's what I'm saying

[nimble pebble]

[nimble pebble]

Sounds reasonable

[obtuse umbra]

this post has been fact checked by REAL HALLOWNESTIAN PATRIOTS ✅

[primal oriole]

I think it’s probably just a thing of “oh yeah there are other places but none of them are real kingdoms that are cool and good”

[vivid belfry]

if hallownest was largely inhabited by immigrants, why would the general population believe that there are no other kingdoms

[obtuse umbra]

is there any other name for hallownest natives

[vivid belfry]

that's why I think the "last and only kingdom" line is just a called shot that missed

[obtuse umbra]

did we ever come up with something

[primal oriole]

corpses

[cunning geode]

apocalypse preppers

[tall juniper]

infected mfs

[cunning geode]

...except one of them caught measles before sealing the bunker

[nimble pebble]

Say what you want about Pharloom, at least it's not a dead kingdom yet

[obtuse umbra]

maybe it's something like "forget everything you know about kingdoms, this is the real deal"

[vivid belfry]

anyway back to the actual point of the message that started this discussion

no, silksong's plot probably has little if anything to do with hallownest

[round zealot]

Entirely new areas

[vivid belfry]

the only thing that I can imagine being referenced is Herrah's death, assuming it is a sequel

[obtuse umbra]

"once you get a taste of hallownest you'll never call that downtrodden wasteland named pharloom a kingdom|"

[steel bloom]

guys

[vivid belfry]

also assuming any of the weavers are still alive 🥴

[primal oriole]

I figure the thing of what Hornet has been doing for the last few years will have to come up

[steel bloom]

whoever have played celeste go check last Sheet Music Boss video

[brittle garnet]

Silksong takes place in an entirely new kingdom which seems to be far away from Hallownest

[primal oriole]

protecting the kingdom because of the infection

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[nimble pebble]

They're alive just silk slaves

[slender musk]

that's actually something I never thought of before

[nimble pebble]

[brittle garnet]

I think Herrah's husband might be elaborated upon, somewhat? Probably not tho

[primal oriole]

I think it’ll probably come up

with the weavers around

[vivid belfry]

silksong will be exploring hornet's past in some capacity

[round zealot]

Hornet has 10 times more movement than the original game so

[brittle garnet]

...so?

[marsh ibex]

That’s deepnest stuff plus he ain’t a weaver anyways

[nimble pebble]

Doesn't really matter if Herrah was married to Deepnest King or not since he's dead and at least the Human concept of Marriage (the only concept of marriage) it's till death do us part so she's single again at that point

[brittle garnet]

How do you know 👁️👄👁️

[marsh ibex]

because he’s part of their honored caste

as in he was born a royal

[slender musk]

Herrah's husband died before Hornet was born, so probably not

[nimble pebble]

Seems pretty obvious to infer if he was around before the Weavers showed up in Hallownest in the first place

[marsh ibex]

As in yknow, he couldn’t have been a weaver

[primal oriole]

we don’t know how deepnest’s caste system works afaik

[brittle garnet]

is there anything that proves Herrah's dead husband was around before the weavers

[primal oriole]

nope

implication is that the weavers were around for a while before

[round zealot]

Was her husband even mentioned once in game though

[brittle garnet]

what if the "honored caste" is related to the weavers

[primal oriole]

since “much of our history was spun on their spools” or whatever

[primal nest]

Hello

I know nothing about silk song

[primal oriole]

Amazing things the weavers once crafted on their looms; stories, shields, spells. So much of our history was spun upon their spools.

[primal nest]

Yarn?

[marsh ibex]

immigrants usually aren’t related to the royal family

[primal nest]

Isn’t the royal family the immigrant into hollow nest?

[nimble pebble]

Wasn't Deepnest's Kingdom around before Hallownest which the Weavers helped create

[marsh ibex]

what

[primal nest]

Exactly

[primal nest]

You know what I mean

[marsh ibex]

Mate can you rephrase what you said

[primal nest]

Na mate that sounded too british

[primal oriole]

pretty sure the weavers only helped Hallownest right at the end

with the deal with Herrah

[primal nest]

Herrah isn’t a weaver is she?

[primal oriole]

she’s not

[brittle garnet]

well if the immigrants have been here long enough, then they might have become part of the royal family

[nimble pebble]

True, The moths laid the foundation more than the Weavers point is, The Deepnest Kindom existed before it's founding

[primal nest]

Moths

[nimble pebble]

Moffs

[marsh ibex]

There is no source for him being related or being a weaver in the slightest

[primal nest]

are not nice

[marsh ibex]

Not necessarily?

[primal nest]

Who?

[marsh ibex]

I mean the CoT switched to silk for writing

[brittle garnet]

yeah but there's no source for him being anything in particular at all
he is referenced in a single line

[primal nest]

Who is this him

[primal oriole]

we know literally 1 entire thing about him lol

[marsh ibex]

Cope

[primal nest]

Who do “him”

[brittle garnet]

I am just saying we can't really confidently say he was not related to the weavers (not necessarily by blood)

[nimble pebble]

Assumedly he is a creepy crawley of sorts as that's what makes up the denizens of Deepnest

[formal karma]

i THINK romino

[marsh ibex]

Nope

[primal nest]

Who is romino never heard of him

[nimble pebble]

We're talking about the Deepnest King

[brittle garnet]

the dead king of Deepnest

[primal nest]

Sense when did deep eat have a king

[primal oriole]

it makes perfect sense to me that the nobility would want to have children with the weavers, because having magic people on your side seems pretty useful for a ruling class

[tall juniper]

pale king by default

[primal nest]

It is a queen

[brittle garnet]

well it did at some point but he died

[formal karma]

since always- until he apparently died

[nimble pebble]

it used to have a king

[tall juniper]

herrahs.... mate

[primal nest]

How do we know?

[primal oriole]

not saying that’s what happened, but it would make sense

[brittle garnet]

there is a lore tablet referencing him

[nimble pebble]

One line of Dialogue from a mushroom lore tablet

[primal nest]

Ok imagin diyng lmao

[keen blaze]

The dead sir, once of honored caste

[brittle garnet]

Their dead sire, once of honoured caste.
Their sealed mother, but the common beast.
No peace with them we make.```

[nimble pebble]

How old was he that he died and Herrah lived long after him unless he was killed

[primal nest]

Hit take

Hot

[primal oriole]

he could have got bug tuberculosis or something

[nimble pebble]

Hoot

[primal nest]

What if herra ate him

[brittle garnet]

doesn't make much sense

[primal nest]

Spiders

[uncut citrus]

we see the king's corpse

[nimble pebble]

Bug Aids I'm sure of it

[brittle garnet]

Since if she wanted to have a child of royal blood why would she eat her mate

[primal nest]

Where?

[neon sun]

HOOTY FROM THE OWL HOUSE?

[uncut citrus]

beside PK woudnt let himself be eaten like that

[nimble pebble]

based

[uncut citrus]

In the white palace?

[primal nest]

American?

[nimble pebble]

No

[subtle flint]

dont female spiders live much longer than male spiders?

[brittle garnet]

Reeves

[primal nest]

We are talking about a different king

[subtle flint]

so wouldnt that kinda make sense?

[uncut citrus]

hm

oh

ohhhhhhh

[nimble pebble]

There's no indication that HK bugs work like irl ones aside from Maybe Divine

[subtle flint]

thats trye

[uncut citrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/919293707516280832/706082549591441458.gif

[primal nest]

And technically he isn’t the king the knight is the king after opatining the kings brand

[nimble pebble]

Divine totally ate leg eater

[subtle flint]

?

[neon sun]

And no wonder divine has no legs

It’s an eye for an eye

[nimble pebble]

You have to be crowned at a coronation to be the new King or Queen

[primal nest]

True

[subtle flint]

king of deepnest ≠ king of hallownest

[primal nest]

This sounds like a wedding

[primal nest]

Yes

[marsh ibex]

They might not have that in Hallownest

[nimble pebble]

It's the event where the Reigning Monarch is crowned and starts their Reign

Can't believe someone doesn't know that smh

[tall juniper]

if deepnest had no king and pale king had a dalliance with herrah, wouldnt that make him honorary deepnest king

[primal nest]

Well actually king of hallownest still has power over deep eat but deepens fling doesn’t have power over hallownest

[primal oriole]

the Knight is the king now

[slender musk]

yeah

especially considering the Pale King's "crown" is literally just a part of his head

[primal oriole]

everyone acts like taking the brand is all that was needed

[nimble pebble]

I did consider that possibility but this game was made by humans not bugs and I feel such a concept would have seeped in unless they consciously decided otherwise

[subtle flint]

well do we know who died first, pale king or the deepnest king?

[primal nest]

Counterpoint who in the kingdom actually knows or even cares

[tall juniper]

deepnest king, by far

[marsh ibex]

We have no time scale

[keen blaze]

"Crowns" aren't an object according to dev notes

[marsh ibex]

But deepnest king

[primal oriole]

there’s no indication by anyone that the Knight needs more than the brand to be the king

[primal nest]

Yes

[keen blaze]

There is indication that TK is king after having the brand

[primal nest]

Very true

[subtle flint]

but if deepnest king died first i guess the pale king would be honorary "king"

[primal oriole]

I have to imagine Hallownest didn’t have a proper succession system given that the Pale King seems to be ageless

[nimble pebble]

Counterpoint, that's a deflection

[subtle flint]

if thats even a thing in hallownest

[primal nest]

Counterpoint you forgot a full stop.

Lmao

[slender musk]

politically speaking, the Kingdom of Hallownest no longer exists

Sure the ruins are there, and some may still have occupants, but the nation that built them is long dead. Like how people in Italy live in the city of Rome, but the Roman Empire has been dead for centuries

[primal nest]

True

[nimble pebble]

Logically he should have had a contingency plan in case he died

[keen blaze]

Counterpoint: Hallownests also refers to the land.

[nimble pebble]

Counterpoint, it's not my problem if you don't know what a word means

[primal nest]

What if the hollow nest king is actually the trilabite

[keen blaze]

you mean Deepnest?

[nimble pebble]

You could argue over a Millennia and a half

[nimble pebble]

Based

[primal nest]

Counterpoint I have no counterpoints bu that was fun

[slender musk]

I could see there being attempts at successor states though, like how IRL there were like 7 countries that tried to be Rome 2, such as being the Holy Roman Empire, The Byzantine Empire, and (strangely) the Russian Empire

[nimble pebble]

Also it's Hallownest

[nimble pebble]

Very cool

[slender musk]

you have a point

[primal nest]

Just like you

[nimble pebble]

Thanks, you too

[keen blaze]

Most peoples are dead, "King" status has no meaning

[subtle flint]

brumm is the king of deepnest ezclap case solved

[primal nest]

Can we all agree the dream boss at howling cliffs is king of deepnest?

[primal oriole]

logically he should have had a plan in case of the infection returning but he didn’t because he’s dumb and bad at this

[subtle flint]

markoth?

[primal oriole]

I don’t think he ever expected the kingdom to exist with him dead

[primal nest]

No, other part of the map

[nimble pebble]

Wasn't the Byzantine Empire because Constantine moved to Constantinople to be closer to where Jesus was and then Rome fell so it was the Eastern Roman Empire but really the Byzantine Empire which later became the Ottoman Empire I think

[slender musk]

also a fair point

The remaining functional societies, those being the Mantises and the Mosskin, don't recognize Hallownest as something to aspire to, and the actual population of what was the Kingdom proper all but died out

[primal nest]

Funny words magic man

[nimble pebble]

Truee

[subtle flint]

oh mb

[slender musk]

Byzantine Empire existed due to the empire being cut in two, before the proper fall of Rome

[primal nest]

What if the infection wasn’t returning how do we know this isn’t the first outbreak of the infection?

[nimble pebble]

The cards still fell more or less the same though so it doesn't really matter if Rome had fallen yet or not

[stark estuary]

It didn't

PK put all of his cards on the table, it was all or nothing at that point

[slender musk]

can't wait for the Monarchical Hubris shenanigans in Silksong!

[primal nest]

Ok cool

[formal karma]

pontifical proposterousnous

[stark estuary]

What "contingency plan" could he have had? There was no other way to contain Rad, as far as we can tell.

[nimble pebble]

Well, you can shove it in a vessel than train one to murder her as we literally do that in game

[stark estuary]

PK did not know about the existence of VH

[nimble pebble]

I actually think it will be Theocratical Monarchy or vise versa

[obsidian juniper]

Also i understand that byzantine was way More helenic ||as in greece,s culture||

[primal nest]

What does hornet mean about our emptiness?

[nimble pebble]

Should have studied the void harder

[stark estuary]

You can't "train" a Vessel to kill Rad, it needs VH which nobody knew existed

[primal oriole]

evacuation, maybe?

[nimble pebble]

Void

[stark estuary]

He did study it, no amount of studying would have revealed that either

[vivid belfry]

(except hornet for some reason)

[primal oriole]

the Infection moves like a physical substance and there seems to be some kind of range limitation while she’s bound

[stark estuary]

The circumstances in which VH was created were extremely specific

[primal nest]

How do we know?

[vivid belfry]

let me qualify that statement

hornet doesn't literally know about the existence of the voidheart charm and how to create it, but she is the only one who suggests "uniting the void" is an achievable feat

[nimble pebble]

"That cruel emptiness, that I do not share"

[stark estuary]

Hornet wanted TK to kill Rad, but iirc it's not indicated she knew that could be done through VH specifically, yeah.

[primal oriole]

Hornet seems to know a weird amount about all this

Void in Pharloom theory

[nimble pebble]

Void is a synonym for empty

[slender musk]

I imagine she must've gotten some info from her father when he wasn't hiding in his palace like a little bitch

[keen blaze]

"could it unite such vast darkness ?"

[stark estuary]

In any case PK did his research, tried his best, and in the end his kingdom was doomed to fall regardless.

[obsidian juniper]

Also herrah was a thing till it was,nt

[nimble pebble]

I think the buzzsaws in White Palace are a metaphorical symbolism of PK's paranoia near the end and it isn't actually filled with buzzsaws in reality

[primal nest]

What if she is talking about instead of the void she talks about the emptiness as being a fully hollow vessel unlike her not hollow vessel something the hollow knight wanted to be (I am sorry)

[nimble pebble]

Hornet isn't a vessel

[primal nest]

Yeah

[slender musk]

to be fair it was doomed the moment he tried to effectively erase the Radiance

[stark estuary]

The main theme of the gam is that nothing lasts forever, and PK having had a contingency plan would have undermined that. It's just not the story TC wanted to tell.

[nimble pebble]

Vessels share a different mother and are filled with void

[nimble pebble]

Also TK is not completely hollow and very flawed

[primal nest]

I meant to say that

[primal oriole]

Hornet doesn’t think the Knight is hollow, it seems

[primal nest]

His love for papa king doomed him

[primal oriole]

she talks about it preserving this kingdom’s stasis by taking in the Radiance

[keen blaze]

no vessels are "hollow" or "pure" by PK's definition cause void isn't

[stark estuary]

That's never mentioned, Seer says her ancestors were fickle and confirms that it was the Moth Tribe who voluntarily tried to forget about her. PK may have not even known about her existence.

[primal oriole]

and the stasis happens as a result of the Radiance not being fully trapped

[nimble pebble]

"Let's make a character incompetent for the sake of the plot instead of taking the logical route" I've seen that so many times in media that the short boring route would have been more interesting at this point because it's so overdrawn having to overcomplicate the ways things happen for the sake of "The story they wanted to tell"

[stark estuary]

He's not incompetent, and I just explained why

There's a difference between incompetence and being omniscient

[slender musk]

yeah u rite

[brittle garnet]

I think he probably did know about her existence, and probably planned to erase her influence
the tablet in his throneroom does say "No blazing kin. Only one light shall shine against the darkness."

[keen blaze]

PK is very much smort and competent

[stark estuary]

That was written post-infection

[nimble pebble]

It's more that the moths saw a brighter nightlight than Radiance (PK is said to be very bright, literally)

[brittle garnet]

we don't know

[stark estuary]

We do, read the rest of the tablet for context

[stark estuary]

Seer doesn't say that

[spice plume]

Damn, did #sk-discussion get colonized by #hk-lore ? Snap out of it y’all

[slender musk]

it could be that his supposed "Incompetence" was due to him seeing his own contingency plan via his foresight, thus causing him to pursue it even more

[stark estuary]

Both Radiance and PK are bright, we don't know which is brighter and why the Moths defected

[cunning geode]

really makes me think how TC originally came to develop a plot about moths worshipping light as an existential religion and then following a different light

it’s neat stuff

[stark estuary]

It do be

[nimble pebble]

They're moths, they worshipped an embodiment of light and PK was supposedly very bright and Radiant, it's not that hard to infer that they voluntarily followed PK because he was more Luminescent

[keen blaze]

We will managed to make the perfect utopia of ss-dicloression

[coarse leaf]

Well, just take the history books and put bugs instead of humans and boom!

[hasty oar]

Hello

[nimble pebble]

The Pale Fork was too bright, they could not resist

[spice plume]

I think it’s more that the pk is more physical than the radiance, so many “progressive” skeptical moths chose to go with him instead. Eventually all of them were worshipping him. Lmk if my theory is wrong.

[slender musk]

fuck the Pale Fork

where's the Pale Spoon!?

[stark estuary]

It could also just mean he offered more. Not to say that your interpretation isn't valid or anything but at the end of the day it's just unclear.

[nimble pebble]

Pale Spork when

[brittle garnet]

ok that's fair, but I think he's probably talking about stuff he planned, since the tablet does seem to make a timeline. It does say "Wyrm becomes beacon, minds expanded, to yield, to devote." after the light line, so I think it's reasonable to assume he might have at least planned to 'outshine' the radiance

[keen blaze]

Pale Spoon was too OP so it got nerfed into Pale Fork

[nimble pebble]

Fair enough

[keen blaze]

point invalid: you looked up the rest of the tablet online

[stark estuary]

Yes, he's saying that he'll outlive Rad.

[slender musk]

the Pale King existed in the physical world, whereas the Radiance only exists in dreams

It's harder for her to have a tangible impact on the world around the Moths, unlike the Pale King, hence why they probably eventually followed him

[hasty oar]

Kirb what did you want from me again

[stark estuary]

The Moths can enter the Dream Expanse

[spice plume]

Yeah I think this is the meaning of “brighter” that the moths use.

[stark estuary]

Can you post Ass Jim

[hasty oar]

It was a trap I knew it

[brittle garnet]

no don't

[verbal trench]

do not post ass jim i am begging you

[hasty oar]

:soulescape:

[spice plume]

Guys no more ass Jim

It’s not funny anymore. Sorry

[slender musk]

yes but even so

The Radiance only had influence over the dream realm, which the Moths don't spend their entire lives living in unlike the physical world

So to them, the Pale King would seem a lot more powerful

[hasty oar]

Was it ever funny

[subtle flint]

was it ever

[spice plume]

Yeah it wasn’t ever that funny. Definitely isn’t now though

[subtle flint]

i mean i guess it was kinda funny at tge begubbubg

oh ok i had a stroke

[stark estuary]

Well that could have been a factor in their decision, but I doubt it was the only one. While Moths could enter the Dream Expanse and bask in Rad's light whenever PK is described as reclusive and I doubt they got to see him (or his light) very often. It's true that it was more "grounded" though.

Also Radiance can influence the waking world, just not as directly as PK can

[nimble pebble]

I'm sure High Ranking Moths got to meet PK likely the ones who lead the Moth tribe to him as their great contributions help found the kingdom

[hasty oar]

Understandable

[stark estuary]

Personally I think it was a combination of that and also getting to experience life in an entire kingdom with the numerous benefits PK's rule offered over living in some remote village under Rad.

[keen blaze]

They better have met him at least before turning their back on the one who gave them life

[nimble pebble]

Truee

[nimble pebble]

Did they ever meet Radiance though

[slender musk]

"Who needs a beaconous mother when you can have a pale sugar daddy?"

[nimble pebble]

Cursed

[keen blaze]

[gilded adder]

Who needs a server when you got a ban?

[keen blaze]

and I just know someone's gonna Struggle-tweet that

[slender musk]

crap i didn't say something wrong did I

[nimble pebble]

I love how the story of Hollow Knight can be summed up as "PK just exists and attracts Moth Tribe so Moth Goddess of Light gets angry and plagues an entire kingdom of innocent bugs for the crime of one which arguably wasn't even a crime and she was just being petty"

[gilded adder]

Not really, it wasn't directed towards anyone. I was just riffing off of your statement to make a joke.

[formal karma]

hey jonny, going to feel good to change your nick to say '11 months'?

[nimble pebble]

Hey Jonny

How are you

[gilded adder]

Yes, Ozlin. it will.

Hello Pillow

I am well

[stark estuary]

Yeah, it seems simple but is actually incredibly tragic for almost everybody involved

[hasty oar]

Hi jonny

[gilded adder]

Hello Whee

[subtle flint]

[nimble pebble]

Truly

[slender musk]

Imagine malding so hard over people forgetting you your rage crystalizes into a plague whose express purpose is to flood the victim's minds with indescribable light

[gilded adder]

neco arc on the puter

[hasty oar]

I like the status even though idrk what it means

[stark estuary]

Honestly Radiance is actually really scary when you think about her

[subtle flint]

[nimble pebble]

Wild

[gilded adder]

Which one? I have two.

[nimble pebble]

I assume it's the Electric sheep

[hasty oar]

Yeah

[lost coyote]

silksong

[gilded adder]

It's from a song by the band mili used in the game Library of Ruina

[nimble pebble]

I see

[stark estuary]

"The plague, the infection, the madness that haunts the corpses of Hallownest... the light that screams out from the eyes of this dead Kingdom. What is the source? I suppose mere mortals like myself will never understand." Like, man.

[hasty oar]

Ah interesting

[hasty oar]

Very metal

[gilded adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOj_A3aZxGs&ab_channel=Mili

[slender musk]

you think the bugs ever gave the Radiance's infection a proper name?

Like how the famous real-world plague was known as the "Black Death?"

[charred surge]

Speaking of crystals, what exactly is the nature of the crystals in hk? I think they are mentioned to have been valued as some sort of power source. Are they perhaps somehow related to soul? I also think they are somehow linked to the infection but I have zero clue on that so feel free to disregard if there exists no link.

[nimble pebble]

How DARE the tribe I created with a massive flaw that can backfire on me, Backfired on me and they betrayed me this is unbelievable, Time to plague the accidental cause

[gilded adder]

My nitro runs out in 6 days

[charred surge]

I would’ve just made a new tribe, smh skill issue

[hasty oar]

Imagine rad just keeps making new sets of moths and they keep defecting to pk

[nimble radish]

hornet is using her psionic power

[gilded adder]

wow

it's lori

[subtle flint]

imagine needing nitro for emotes tho

[gilded adder]

haven't seen you in a while

[slender musk]

they store some form of energy, that much is known, hence their tendency to spit lasers and the fact that they're used as a power source for at least the Mining Golems

the Moth tribe might've also used them for rituals involving the Radiance given their connection to light

[hasty oar]

Lori that was like
A while ago

[nimble radish]

haven't been here in a while :-)

[nimble pebble]

Mine is yearly

[gilded adder]

good to see you

[charred surge]

I do wish we had more living moths and stuff on the moth tribe in general, especially considering their pivotal role in the lore.

[slender musk]

instead of plaguing the kingdom she just massively spikes the Moth population in a desperate attempt to keep a following

[stark estuary]

Bit late eh

[nimble radish]

like a few days, at most

[stark estuary]

Also hi Lori

[nimble radish]

hi

[nimble pebble]

Breaking News, Moth Overpopulation issue

[stark estuary]

Unfortunately that leads to the Moth genocides

[nimble pebble]

Sadge

[wary copper]

murder

[slender musk]

"Resting Grounds population now 5x that of the City of Tears, more at 11."

[charred surge]

“Alright, time for a demographics census for hallownest. What are our numbers?”
“82% moth, 7% -“
“Woah woah woah, 82% moth? How in the hell did that happene?”

meanwhile, somewhere at Hallownest’s Crown
Radiance frantically making more moths : “DON’T LEAVE ME, PLEASE”

[nimble pebble]

"Now, the Weather with Tuk"

[slender musk]

the Pale King had this to say about the trend:

"Yo why the fuck-"

[nimble radish]

radiance made a fatal error which was making moths

[charred surge]

Hallowvale when

[nimble pebble]

"As you can see here it's really fucking windy in the wastes and a cool damp temperature in the city back to you ron"

[nimble radish]

moths are attracted to light, if she'd made dung beetles she'd have never have lost followers because she's a piece of shit

[slender musk]

Ogrim is too good for her

[plucky sparrow]

ogrim got eyes for isma only

[nimble pebble]

I was not prepared for such a hard roast but I'm glad it happened

Ogrim is going to have beautiful bug children with Isma

Because he's a chad

[nimble radish]

half bug half plant children

[nimble pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-grub-gif-18708300

She likely had plant powers, but she was still a bug

[charred surge]

Radiance Girlboss (Self explanatory, is girl, is boss)
Radiance Gaslight (Infection gaslights everyone into a hivemind)
Radiance Gatekeep (Wants to be the only ruler in hallownest, gatekeeping pk)

[subtle flint]

[nimble pebble]

Radiance Grounded (Radiance is grounded, go to the corner Radiance and think about what you've done)

[charred surge]

I think she most likely had acid-related power, since a lore template mentions her grove as a source of “acid blight” and the whole tear-blessing thing

[slender musk]

I personally headcanon she was some sort of cleric of Unn, given the amount of growth seen in Isma's grove

No tangible lore basis for it, but just something I like to think

[nimble pebble]

Something about plants and acid idk

[subtle flint]

99 / 2 = 92, i will now go to bed

[nimble pebble]

Interesting

[nimble radish]

yeah that sounds right

[charred surge]

More Unn lore when

[nimble radish]

never!

[hasty oar]

That sounds pretty cool

[charred surge]

Shape of Unn is one of my favorite charms tbh and it feels weird to play without it

[jovial narwhal]

Hell yeah

B sides completed B)

[charred surge]

Holy shit Hollow Knight 3

[keen blaze]

[plucky sparrow]

i want a hallownest sequel with one of the radiance gone endings so we can see unn get his followers back 🙂

[nimble radish]

you know, for some reason I expected silksong discussion to become more about silksong with news

[keen blaze]

Now with more depression !

[slender musk]

her, but yeah

I too believe in Unn supremacy

[plucky sparrow]

damn unn a girl my bad

[charred surge]

I can bring up The One’s name if you want it to be ss related

[stark estuary]

Unn is wemean???

[slender musk]

its usually a lot more off-topic than this

[hasty oar]

All the silksong hype happened very strongly over the course of like a few days

[nimble radish]

what character have you freaks started obsessing over now

[plucky sparrow]

[nimble pebble]

Pog, Now do FW and all C sides

[radiant wraith]

Slugcat

[nimble pebble]

[charred surge]

I mean, as far as we know Unn is the only hb who prolly hasn’t actually done anything too fucked up, and greenpath is really pretty, so merhaps I could jive with that

[hasty oar]

Wait people abbreviate it as FareWell?

[keen blaze]

do all Goldens

[charred surge]

You know.

[slender musk]

EXACTLY

Unn is objectively the nicest Higher Being

[nimble pebble]

Doesn't make much sense to just say F now does it, and no we don't capitalise the W

[nimble radish]

actually I don't

[stark estuary]

Everyone loves Unn, she's tunns of funn. Truly a Massive, Modest, Magnanimous, Majestic Moss Mollusc Matriarch.

[plucky sparrow]

get all the bananas idk never played celeste

[nimble pebble]

No, Though I've done like most of them at this point

[tawny basalt]

Unn gives us the shape of unn

[brittle garnet]

idk, she just spits at you and then leaves

[hasty oar]

I mean ig it makes sense but

[charred surge]

Ass Jim. I’m only saying that and no more lest I get struck down.

[tawny basalt]

Nicer than other higher beings

[nimble radish]

Milquetoast

[brittle garnet]

White Lady is nice

[slender musk]

tis her way of giving you her blessing though

[plucky sparrow]

nightmare heart seems ok

[nimble pebble]

She's tired, hard to have energy when Radiance is sapping at your worshippers minds giving you less power

[tawny basalt]

[plucky sparrow]

feeding off the embers of dead civilisations is quite ethical

[tawny basalt]

Nightmare heart is not okay

[slender musk]

Counterpoint:

Child Murder

[keen blaze]

My goal is to do all of them exept a few ones like FWG or 8/7 BG or maybe even 6CG

[charred surge]

HK AU where Unn is the dominant hb in hallownest

[brittle garnet]

I mean she's ashamed of it

also you can do bad things and still be nice

[slender musk]

could very well just be a thing that happens canonically given the true(?) ending

[nimble pebble]

6CG is not too bad actually though I agree, I'm not doing FWG 8BG, 7BG and 6BG

[tawny basalt]

Nightmare is known to enslave people to its purpose, such as accordion man, or vampire pufferfish man

[charred surge]

“How do you plead?”
“I’m sowwy ”

[tawny basalt]

[plucky sparrow]

misinput

[slender musk]

she was till complicit in it, which is significantly worse than Unn

Who (as far as we know), has a squeaky clean permanent record

[tawny basalt]

L + Bozo + Ratio

[keen blaze]

you dare to pronounce those words ?
Goodbye.

[nimble pebble]

Unn if anything is a victim, after letting PK and his people to traverse in her land she's repaid with Radiance's plague stealing all her followers leaving her weak

[trim estuary]

Unn is responsible for the destruction of the white palace

[tawny basalt]

Mossnest

[charred surge]

I do still think she’s nice fwiw, buuuuut one’s views on justice still can leas to unfavorable interpretations. Unn tho? Unproblematic, no one can shame you for it

[plucky sparrow]

imagine having to brainwash followers when you can just make them. unn gang

[keen blaze]

and WL stealing her land

[nimble radish]

Unn is literally a big green slug with a god complex

[tawny basalt]

Unn assist the cause even, and gave us a useful charm

[keen blaze]

Rad made Followers, but they thought PK was cooler

[nimble pebble]

Unn is a canonical Higher being though

[charred surge]

And that’s fucking awesome

[nimble pebble]

She's a Slug Goddess who created Leaf people

[slender musk]

she literally made the Mosskin and Greenpath (including the bit thats now the WL's garden)

who are we to tell her she's not a goddess?

[tawny basalt]

Moss people

[keen blaze]

Unn is was super OP

[nimble pebble]

Devs confirmed it

[plucky sparrow]

[keen blaze]

Didn't they only comfirm WL, PK and Rad ?

[tawny basalt]

pharloom had followers but sherma was cooler

[nimble pebble]

Unn's undoing was her niceness which literally every other HB aside from SL and NH trampled on

[hasty oar]

What even is milquetoast

[charred surge]

Guys who wants to form The Cult of Unn

[hasty oar]

Besides a decent breakfast

[nimble radish]

NORTH AMERICAN
noun
a timid or feeble person.
"Jennings plays him as something of a milquetoast"
adjective
feeble, insipid, or bland.
"a soppy, milquetoast composer"

[plucky sparrow]

'my favourite higher being is lifeblood creature'

[tawny basalt]

Nightmare heart had its own problem, I don’t know what SL stands for

[slender musk]

aw yes

Counter-cult to bring the will of Unn to the haunted realm of Pharloom

[nimble pebble]

Shade Lord

[hasty oar]

I see

[plucky sparrow]

sister location

[keen blaze]

you should've said LoS

[hasty oar]

Same!

[charred surge]

Unn appears in a pantheon of hallownest with the godseeker praising her as a hb, she’s clearly a hb

[nimble pebble]

Both are HB's

[tawny basalt]

Do you have to be a environmentalist to join?

[nimble radish]

basically the same thing

[nimble pebble]

Though SL is clearly stronger

[charred surge]

Loss

[plucky sparrow]

such deep and interesting lore

[tawny basalt]

Void given form

[trim estuary]

My favorite POI in Hollow Nite

[keen blaze]

I meant TC confirmed, not in-game confirmed

[nimble pebble]

LoS is Void Given form while Shade Lord is Void given Focus

[charred surge]

Mmm, strong contender for a #unproblematic hb

[modest night]

who isnt

[hasty oar]

ngl if you want to look way too deep at it you can squeeze out a little bit of lore

[undone valley]

It finally calmed down

[keen blaze]

LoS is a HB, SL is only one of LoS' forms

[undone valley]

Lmfao

[tawny basalt]

Well I care about the environment but don’t do anything about it, but I’m not a hypocrite and won’t call myself a environmentalist

[plucky sparrow]

does white lady have a list of crimes?

[slender musk]

Unn's actions we know to have a lot of benefits

Lifeblood Creature just vibes, and we don't know exactly what its deal is

[undone valley]

I hope ss will have their own patheons mode

[trim estuary]

Child murder

[undone valley]

They have to 😳

[plucky sparrow]

true

[charred surge]

She’s the wife of pk, I think that alone opens a whole can of worms

[nimble pebble]

Incorrect, while they arise from the same entity they are different versions of VH in TK based on the ending you got SL requiring specific requirements to achieve and took out a stronger version of Rad

[nimble radish]

I live and breath environmental destruction
my only life goal is to melt the north pole

[hasty oar]

Just had a strange mental image of wl committing arson

[primal oriole]

the Lord of Shades terminology is terrible

[keen blaze]

LoS isn't Void Given Form.

[hollow terrace]

wooo lets goo for nature

[hasty oar]

True

[plucky sparrow]

at least white woman (spotted) regretted it right?

[nimble radish]

I just call em all "the Knight"

[primal oriole]

Lord of Shades is the Knight with Voidheart

[slender musk]

also arguably Child Abandonment, since she still doesn't view the Vessels as fully her children

[primal oriole]

that applies to all 3

[trim estuary]

Enough about the WL’s crimes, let’s talk about WL’s contributions

[charred surge]

True true, #teamunn and all but I give my respects to lifeblood creature, gotta get that Gatorade from somewhere

[plucky sparrow]

nah white lady even stole land from unn she a bitch

[serene chasm]

Santa didn't give you the gift you wanted

[hasty oar]

I mean technically pk did too a bit

[trim estuary]

Ohhh trueee

[tawny basalt]

She gave birth to a hero

[primal oriole]

the Shade Lord is a different thing from the Lord of Shades because fuck you

[tawny basalt]

Relevant meme

[nimble radish]

he gave me coal
I used it to destroy his home

[keen blaze]

...made Vessels, isn't really a "good" thing....
Ok now that that's cleared up let's talk about Unn

[slender musk]

so the White Lady's official list of crimes is

Land Theft
Child Abandonment
Complicit in Serial Child Murder

[trim estuary]

To call it an improvised explosive device is an insult. His elves make only the most quality of bombs

[tawny basalt]

I would know, I’m in business with him

[charred surge]

“Update on Santa’s policy, in the name of environmental friendliness, instead of coal he will be handing out several pounds of uranium to naughty children. Merry Christmas!”

[plucky sparrow]

Unn's list of crimes:
none
cool as fuck

[edgy lotus]

The Canadian government

[jovial narwhal]

Currently on 1c lol

[brittle garnet]

Unn's list of crimes: Child abandonement

[nimble radish]

wow stickers are big

[plucky sparrow]

my dad's list of crimes:

[trim estuary]

How

[jovial narwhal]

This shit's hard man

[tawny basalt]

Crime: being underrated

[nimble radish]

bit of a whoopsie on her part

[brittle garnet]

she's leaving the mosskin she created hangin

[slender musk]

cause the Radiance is stifling her ability to call to her people

[keen blaze]

Rad's fault.

[trim estuary]

There’s not much she can do against two HB’s that are stronger than her warring

[hasty oar]

Something something criminally awesome

[nimble radish]

everything is rad's fault to you guys
she just wanted to survive

maybe she killed a guy or two
big fuckin deal

[plucky sparrow]

SShe is too wholesome for HER own good cant compete with radiance telling them to do drugs n stuff

[tawny basalt]

Just make followers that don’t like PK, stupid

[charred surge]

She’s become physically weaker. The dream nail dialogue of the moss knight at the lake indicates that she’s calling and doesn’t want to abandon her children but her weaker position makes her unable to come back in full

[keen blaze]

Her big mistake was when she messed with Unn.
And that's how EtV happened.

[hasty oar]

Let’s have a discussion about whether the moths or rad were- *gets shot*

[primal oriole]

I wonder what happens to Unn after Embrace the Void

the Knight’s cool with her

[keen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[nimble radish]

same as every ending, unn dies of sadness

[plucky sparrow]

she gets her followers back and greenpath is happy

[slender musk]

well given the somewhat menacing nature of the Shade Lord, I doubt it has entirely altruistic intentions for Hallownest

[jovial narwhal]

If I die imma scream

[keen blaze]

nothing special ig, just no more infected followers so pog.

[keen blaze]

SL is TK.

[modest night]

you still don't have to take actions like marching and stuff to adhere to the belief, there are other ways like voting for people who can pass law to make things less worse

[charred surge]

She gets back queen’s garden and institutes the #MossSweep on the rest of hallownest

[jovial narwhal]

Hell yeah

[slender musk]

turns the City of Tears into a rainforest as revenge

[modest night]

why am i getting no bitches'd we literally all are polluting rn by sending messages

[plucky sparrow]

unn created mossbag

[jovial narwhal]

Only took 82 tries too

[nimble radish]

no britches

[jovial narwhal]

"Only"

[trim estuary]

Is the Sister Location ||(Shade Lord)|| cool with her though

[plucky sparrow]

oh no

[plucky sparrow]

so unn is stopping silksong from releasing

thats a crime...

[keen blaze]

SL IS TK

[trim estuary]

PROOF??

[nimble radish]

rewatch the cutscene

[trim estuary]

OH WAIT WE NEVER SEE TK AND SL IN THE SAME ROOM

[keen blaze]

"Unifies the void under the bearer's will"

[slender musk]

and post EtV, we no longer determine what the Knight/Shade Lord's will is

[nimble pebble]

If you get the 3 variations of the Void Idol, the statue you get it from says "not bug, nor beast, nor god" Then "Void Given form" then "Void Given Focus" Void Given form is a statue of LoS and the Void Given Focus statue is Shade Lord

Took a while because I had to check my game and confirm

[nimble radish]

just use the wiki

[nimble pebble]

Couldn't remember what the first statue said

The wiki was only giving me Void idol not the statues themselves

[plucky sparrow]

i headcanon that the knight isnt rly in control of SL its more the void as a whole

[charred surge]

Unn and SL in the embrace the void ending (real (they’ve come to understand what ruin can happen when hb’s engage in petty fights over complete domination of a kingdom rather than cooperating in the interests of the greater whole)) :

[keen blaze]

Yes, and LoS means "LORD OF SHADES", aka TK post VH, as the Abyss AC creature calls us post VH

[nimble pebble]

It's more that TK is piloting a shade mech of which it is controlling, it is not the Shade mech itself

I know what LoS means

[keen blaze]

LoS DOESN'T MEAN "Void Given Form"

[true vine]

these acronyms are too much

[plucky sparrow]

lots of sauce

[nimble pebble]

Complain with the game, as it tells us that it is "Void Given form"

[true vine]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[haughty jewel]

Doesnt LoS stand for Land of Storms akchually?

[slender musk]

I just think its interesting that all supernatural forces in Hollow Knight had some sort of higher being that reflected a will, Such as lifeblood (supposedly) and Essence (with the Radiance), Except Void

[nimble radish]

guys their literally the same character

[keen blaze]

it doesn't call the statue "Lord of Shades"

[plucky sparrow]

soul?

[slender musk]

I attribute that to the Pale King and the White Lady, given it itself is white and the two mingled a lot more with normal bugs, which are animated by soul

[brittle garnet]

Pale Beings, probably

[nimble pebble]

It is a literal depiction of LoS with the phrase "Void Given form" can't be much else as the normal one is just normal TK and "Void Given Focus" is obviously SL

[haughty dome]

Wait but I thought hornet was void

[nimble radish]

theres more than one higher being associated with essence, sure it's nightmare essence but it's pretty visibly essence

[nimble pebble]

That's like saying a light isn't Green because it doesn't say it's green it's just visually green

[nimble radish]

and of course, Unn is tied to it too

[keen blaze]

Wdym, why do you call the Void Given Form statue a statue of "LoS", all 3 are statues of LoS in different forms

[nimble pebble]

This is a Strawman Argument

[trim estuary]

After she gets the voidheart which only happens in “The Hollow Knight” ending

[plucky sparrow]

eh those bugs existed before pale king took over so i still think its an outlier not related to any higher beings just 'life energy'

[slender musk]

Unn seems to be some sort of middle ground, having some connection to essence (given she dreamed greenpath and the mosskin into existence)

[slender musk]

yeah I could be completely wrong all things considered

[trim estuary]

DOES THIS MEAN THAT UNN HAS A CONNECTION TO THE VOID AND LIFEBLOOD?????

[nimble radish]

Unn's only known superpower is making life from dreams, not sure how she's middle ground there

[nimble pebble]

The statues depict TK, LoS, and SL It's quite clear, idk why you want to die on this hill just because it isn't explicitly stated but heavily implied

[keen blaze]

Why do you call the DnM Knight shade "Lord of Shades", where did you get that name from ?

[slender musk]

I just think its interesting that Void was sort of the odd one out, until Embrace the Void gives Void a higher being while deleting the Radiance

[haughty dome]

Are the cut content snails void??

[nimble radish]

yeah those ones are

[nimble pebble]

Same way we found Shade Lord, In the files

[slender musk]

abyss creature's thoughts

[plucky sparrow]

get snailed

[keen blaze]

the name comes from an AC bug calling TK "Lord of Shades" after it got void heart

[nimble pebble]

DnM TK is LoS while ETV TK is SL

Quite simple

[nimble radish]

please use words

[keen blaze]

those are your confusing names for it

[nimble radish]

I have forgotten all of those acronyms

[modest stump]

fr

[slender musk]

this sentence is incomprehensible to non-Hollow Knight fans and I love it

[nimble pebble]

Dream no More, The Knight, Lord of Shades, Embrace the Void, The Knight and Shade lord

[plucky sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/985652649317777438/mods_ping.png

[nimble pebble]

Gotta love it

[plucky sparrow]

they are not speaking english

[nimble radish]

right, ending acronyms

[nimble pebble]

Please don't ping the mods for that

[trim estuary]

it’s an image

[charred pulsar]

[haughty jewel]

I dont know this acronym either

[nimble radish]

hey Simo

[modest stump]

i have completed the game multiple times but those acronyms are kaput to me

[slender musk]

YOU HAVE ALERTED THE ADMIN

[nimble pebble]

Sorry Simo for the Ping, that didn't need to be pinged for

Anyways how's your day Simo

[marble yoke]

GUYS. SILKSONG COMES OUT TOMORROW. The source you ask? Me

[keen blaze]

bruh

[charred pulsar]

It was an image

[plucky sparrow]

its not a ping i will stop if it still bothered u simo...

[nimble pebble]

Ah

Well Hello anyways

[charred pulsar]

Just woke up, so far so good

[nimble pebble]

Epic

[keen blaze]

anyway, what were we talking about ?

[plucky sparrow]

unn

[nimble pebble]

Idk

[nimble radish]

we were talking about our glorious leaders

[nimble pebble]

SImo?

[keen blaze]

oh, yes, Unn is pog.

[slender musk]

Unn, you say?

[plucky sparrow]

what did godseeker say abt unn

[nimble radish]

"bigass slug with a god complex, no powers or nothing"

[nimble pebble]

"Unn is the Strongest God in Hallownest and you will bow before her might"

[slender musk]

(from the wiki)
"What strength thee once possessed fades beyond time and tune... [...] Sleeping God, to see thee as thou once existed, with land and dream and devotion,"

[marble yoke]

💀

[nimble pebble]

Is what Godseeker said

[keen blaze]

Such magnificent scale even in decline, perhaps thou could teach us to grow so large

or something like that

[marble yoke]

Damn

[plucky sparrow]

poor unn

[slender musk]

Justice for Unn

[haughty jewel]

Unn is lame

[plucky sparrow]

you are lame

[haughty jewel]

Like hey look this grass I dreamed
shut up

[keen blaze]

[plucky sparrow]

go back to your child murderers

[jovial narwhal]

2C

[nimble radish]

why don't you genocide somebody like a real god

[slender musk]

aside from Lifeblood Creature, Unn is like the only Higher Being not guilty of Child Murder

[modest night]

lurker

[haughty jewel]

Now we are talking

[plucky sparrow]

unn touched more grass in her dreams then u ever will irl

[nimble radish]

we were already talking

[stark estuary]

HBTWAFYA NBNBNG

[keen blaze]

oh, yeah, sleeping. I was supposed to do that.

[nimble radish]

yeah I remember those

[plucky sparrow]

those are actual acronyms?

[stark estuary]

Spoken like a true #hk-lore regular

[nimble radish]

first is higher beings these words are for you alone

[plucky sparrow]

second?

[nimble radish]

I ain't a regular at all bud

[slender musk]

"Higher Beings, these words are for you alone."

"League of Legends."

[lone lichen]

death.

[nimble radish]

not bug nor beast nor god

[trim estuary]

liar

[plucky sparrow]

[jovial narwhal]

This room sucks

[keen blaze]

I agree

[nimble radish]

I'm not a regular on discord currently

[charred surge]

League of Legends (The pronunciation of the g’s in both words are swapped)

[stark estuary]

First stage: denial

[plucky sparrow]

thats almost 3x what i have on this server total

[nimble pebble]

All of 3C sucks, ( I would know, I goldened it)

[jovial narwhal]

I should try goldening something

Its probably better than fucking 3C

[nimble pebble]

Well

[keen blaze]

now for context

[nimble pebble]

Depends on the Golden

1A and 2A are abysmally easy

[keen blaze]

FWG

[nimble pebble]

The rest it really depends

[jovial narwhal]

Nvm I just got past that room

I was just doing it wrong

[keen blaze]

2C I took 8 tries to golden

[silver oak]

3C sucked but the golden was fun

[nimble pebble]

I think I'm missing one A side (7AG) six b Sides and FWG are my last Goldens I don't have yet but I probably won't do 6BG, 7BG, 8BG and FWG

[keen blaze]

then 4B I took over 500 tries.

[nimble pebble]

4BG more like trash

I hate 4B

4A and 4C are cooler

I'm currently working on 5BG and 7AG

[silver oak]

4C is weird

[nimble pebble]

4C is a lot of Wall Bounces

At least the first room is

[silver oak]

First room I can do every time, second room is weird and hard, third room is awesome

[keen blaze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/979507785609932850/CookieOut.gif

[jovial narwhal]

Also I suck at wallbouncing

[nimble pebble]

I agree with this statement so hard

I used to mega suck at wallbouncing then Idk when but I got pretty good at it to the point where I beat 7CG and also used it when beating 3AG

[jovial narwhal]

Like I can do... (what is it called when you dash diagonally and then jump with a huge speed boost)

[nimble pebble]

Wavedash?

Ultra?

[silver oak]

I have 4 less AGs but 1 more BG

[nimble pebble]

I see

[jovial narwhal]

Wavedash

[nimble pebble]

Wavedash is kind of Mandatory to beat FW

[jovial narwhal]

Idk why I blanked on that :|

[nimble pebble]

Which AG's you missing

[silver oak]

I have all goldens on 1 and 2 and only C sides on 3-8

[nimble pebble]

I have All Goldens on 1 and 2 as well

Including 1Adashless

I have all C side Goldens

[silver oak]

dashless golden or just dashless?

[nimble pebble]

And I'm only missing one A side Golden

[nimble pebble]

Dashless Golden, but I did do it dashless I believe

I hate neutral jumping

[silver oak]

wait
it's a golden berry
but did you do it without dying?

[nimble pebble]

You just need to not dash

or if you do die in that room

It's a Winged Golden Berry

[jovial narwhal]

Bro I almost just first-tried the last room of 3C- I got to this part when I died

[silver oak]

ok so you didn't beat the whole thing in one go

[nimble pebble]

I did though, I just died some

[silver oak]

I've done it as well but getting both goldens in one go seems incredibly hard

[nimble pebble]

Oh that, no that's dumb

I hate Double Golden

3C is dumb because you need an Oshiro Bounce to clear

[silver oak]

mfw double golden 1 up

rickfernello did that recently

[nimble pebble]

Double 1A Golden?

[silver oak]

plus 1up

[rapid topaz]

I don't know where else you can get double golden?

[nimble pebble]

9B

[silver oak]

what's the second one?

[rapid topaz]

is 9B official

[nimble pebble]

Totally

[rapid topaz]

I mean, isn't it just 9

Ah

[silver oak]

oh wait 9B
I was thinking 7B

yeah 9B doesn't exist

[nimble pebble]

At least not in Vanilla

[rapid topaz]

You can sure get a funny combo with Golden and Moon berry tho

[nimble pebble]

I did Moonberry