sk-discussion

[verbal marsh]

true

[stoic path]

I'm sticking to PS4 for the time being, at least the prices have gone down for the games

[verbal marsh]

Determination

[shell yacht]

on top of that i need specifically a disc version so my ps4 collection doesnt go to waste

[alpine zephyr]

Ahhh I’m so bored I hopped on destiny 2 and there is nothing fun to do Cus they removed all exotic quests pretty much

[verbal marsh]

Don't you need some extra blue ray thing for that to work

idk I remember looking that up in 2020 as if I had chance to even get one

[shell yacht]

exotic quests are ass sorry not sorry. i dont like 12hr grinds for an exotic that i need to grind more for to get the caty

[alpine zephyr]

Ye but it takes longer to grind now

[shell yacht]

nah it should play both ps5 discs arent that dif. plus backwards disc reading is easier one generation away

[verbal marsh]

Yeah I guess

[cerulean sable]

Great Cutters for Silksong

[rugged sparrow]

myth

[opaque sigil]

Didn't know boxcutters were used in sewing

[rugged sparrow]

the song of silk and box cutters

watch it not come out this year lmao

even tho some leak said february

[cerulean sable]

discuss

[verbal marsh]

the GOG leak means nothing

[verbal trench]

hornet will know how to knit in silksong

[lost coyote]

if it doesnt come out this year I'll fly to Australia and ask team cherry very very nicely and use my pleases and thank yous

[opaque sigil]

Damn pincushions explode? Sewing is badass

[rugged sparrow]

i mean HK took a while too but there was actual info of where it was in development

[verbal marsh]

You'd get eaten by a spider before you reach them

[alpine zephyr]

Greneda? I meant grenade I can’t spell

[rugged sparrow]

the weavers

they defend team cherry

[lost coyote]

weavers den was team cherrys office all along

[rugged sparrow]

also, why is E3 a hoax. is it because there was no news lol

[verbal marsh]

Damn team cherry working so hard they evented a 3D printer that prints animals

[rugged sparrow]

THE LORE OF THE WEAVERS ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE NOW

[alpine zephyr]

Wait til someone prints a cat girl then it’s all over

[verbal marsh]

I think there will be news at E3. That's why

[lost coyote]

December sorry

[opaque sigil]

Google

[verbal marsh]

sorry?

[rugged sparrow]

nothing

[opaque sigil]

There probably isn't a direct announced

[lost coyote]

there will probably be one in January or February, that's when they usually do them

[verbal marsh]

It's not coming out before E3 this year

[alpine zephyr]

Will tc announce that the printer thing will be on sale

[rugged sparrow]

watch will smith from team cherry come out and announce it

[stoic path]

When is E3

[lost coyote]

ah that's hot

[verbal marsh]

It comes with the blueprints for a clow mask

[verbal marsh]

normally in june

[lost coyote]

always in june

[verbal marsh]

but not confirmed

[alpine zephyr]

I need it just ignore my first message

[verbal marsh]

I've decided I cant talk to you anymore. You play Genshin

[alpine zephyr]

I don’t play it any more

Just cba to change my pfp

[verbal marsh]

wooof took me a while

[alpine zephyr]

I changed it

[verbal marsh]

good good

[alpine zephyr]

Just not pfp Cus cba

[verbal marsh]

Understandable

[rugged sparrow]

i swear. if there isnt even a. We're sorry but the game is not done yet. I am throwing hands with team cherry

[verbal marsh]

I mean... they don't care that we are all waiting

[alpine zephyr]

If someone joins this chat and says any silk song news let’s say welcome to the circus

[rugged sparrow]

like there was nothing at INDIE WORLD FOR CRYING OU|T LOUD

[marsh ibex]

ok

[verbal marsh]

Better late silksong then no silksong am I right

[rugged sparrow]

its no sliksong lmao

look at my name

[marsh ibex]

[verbal marsh]

The what is it????????????????????????????????????

[sage glade]

took you a while? you do know discord is just chrome:? ctrl shift i opens up inspect element

[verbal marsh]

sorry what?

[sage glade]

that's supposed to be an edited meme right?

[verbal marsh]

It took me awhile to take a screenshot

[marsh ibex]

[verbal marsh]

No it's just a screenshot

[sage glade]

ohh ok. i thought edit cause they changed it already

[verbal marsh]

haha ok

[coarse leaf]

it is

[verbal marsh]

Elaborate

[verbal marsh]

NOT a chance

[coarse leaf]

the same chance of it releasing after E3

[verbal marsh]

not really no

[opaque sigil]

There's definitely a chance of it coming out before E3

Why wouldn't there be

[coarse leaf]

Or maybe not release but some kind of update i hope

[verbal marsh]

If they do stuff this year it will be e3 or holidays

[obtuse glacier]

Whens e3 happening

[opaque sigil]

Not necessarily

[verbal marsh]

june

[marsh ibex]

They don’t have to put stuff at events yknow

[coarse leaf]

Once again I repeat myself: its the first time there's been no news on Christmas, dont expect news that late

[lament lotus]

[opaque sigil]

That's not really sound reasoning

[obtuse glacier]

I know, i was curious so i can know how long until 🤡

[opaque sigil]

That they didn't do anything last December doesn't mean they're going to do something soon

[marsh ibex]

they could, and if they had the chance to they probably would.
But it’s not a “oh there’s no event therefore we wait until the year is halfway over for news”

[verbal marsh]

seems unlikely that they just release a random blog post in feb

[coarse leaf]

ok so they're going to be 1,5-2 years without news

[opaque sigil]

It is, but they could

[coarse leaf]

its not random if its on Feb

[opaque sigil]

They could

[marsh ibex]

like they did last time?

[turbid kite]

it can't be a random blog post if you can predict it

[verbal marsh]

The GOG leak means nothing

[coarse leaf]

I dont mean the leak, I mean Feb is a special month for anything TC related

[opaque sigil]

Eh barely

[verbal marsh]

Idk would it not make more sense to show stuff at E3?

[heady iron]

it's only December 37th, we could still get news this month

[opaque sigil]

It's not like TC has a strong pattern of doing things in February

[turbid kite]

true

[coarse leaf]

it has a pattern

[opaque sigil]

TC did things in February twice

Not really much of a pattern

[verbal marsh]

they also did stuff in December twice

[opaque sigil]

They did stuff in December more than twice

[coarse leaf]

HK released Feb, SS announced Feb, Valentines Day SS update, blogpost

[opaque sigil]

You're triple counting one of those

[coarse leaf]

mmm nope

[marsh ibex]

you kinda are

ss announcement the valentines day update and the blogpost are all related

[opaque sigil]

Blogpost, valentines day reveal, and announcement are the same thing

Unless you count the thing that was literally just "there will be news on the 14th" which is not reasonable

[verbal marsh]

They did the most on E3 in 2019

[opaque sigil]

Eh, Edge is at least comparable

[verbal marsh]

E3 had 20 mins of gameplay

[opaque sigil]

I know

[verbal marsh]

edge had 3 screenshots

[opaque sigil]

Edge had a 17 page article

Edge had like 75% of the total ss screenshots

It had 15

[verbal marsh]

I mean 15 screenshots can't compare to seeing how the game looks and plays

[opaque sigil]

It also had an exhaustive article

They're different formats for information, but to say that Edge is less substantial than the demo is wrong

They say different things in different ways, but both say a lot

[verbal marsh]

Hmm I disagree

[opaque sigil]

I mean clearly you've never read it

[verbal marsh]

I mean yes but I know every thing that came out of it

[opaque sigil]

You thought it had three screenshots. You don't

[verbal marsh]

You want me to recall the amount of screenshots of the top of my head

[opaque sigil]

You're estimating it as less than a fifth of how much it actually had

[verbal marsh]

That was just a random number

[opaque sigil]

That the estimate was so low is damning that you underestimate it significantly

[quartz yew]

I've logged on and don't know what's happening. What ya'll talking about?

[opaque sigil]

So before you argue that it's insubstantial you should at least be acquainted with what it is

[verbal marsh]

The article may have said more but the demo showed how the game would actually be

[opaque sigil]

.

[verbal marsh]

imo that's bigger

[opaque sigil]

.

[verbal marsh]

.

[opaque sigil]

Favoring one format does not mean that format is objectively more substantial or meaningful

And the fact that you are arguing that it isn't without knowing what it even is is not really reasonable

[carmine sapphire]

Whats going on

[verbal marsh]

But the thing is i'm not saying that its smaller im saying it means less to me

[opaque sigil]

You didn't read Edge, of course you wouldn't regard it as a significant source of information.

[opaque sigil]

Of course it means less, you didn't read it

[verbal marsh]

BRO

I know every thing that is in that article

[opaque sigil]

Again, you don't

You estimated it as being worth three screenshots

[verbal marsh]

and none of it compares to actually seeing the game in action to me

[verbal marsh]

I told you that was a random number

off the top of my head

[opaque sigil]

If it was truly a random number then that was a bad faith argument

[verbal marsh]

??????????????

[opaque sigil]

And again, since you did not read the article and likely do not know the contents of it, your considering it to be insubstantial is really not compelling

[quartz yew]

Idk man. You want some hot chocolate

[opaque sigil]

It's like reading a summary of a book and then complaining that it was too short

[verbal marsh]

IN MY OPNION. any amount of writing can not compare to seeing the game in action

[carmine sapphire]

Sure

[opaque sigil]

As you have stated

[quartz yew]

☕

[verbal marsh]

SO why are you still arguing

[opaque sigil]

And I don't really care because I'm not talking about your opinion, I'm talking about quantity

[carmine sapphire]

Thats coffee but ill take it

[quartz yew]

I don't have any emote that replicates it. Sorry.

[verbal marsh]

BUT THATS THE THING IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH WRITING THERE IS IT CAN'T COMPARe TO THE GAMEPLAY

[high hedge]

[opaque sigil]

Subjective

[fiery coral]

can drop this now

[verbal marsh]

YES

[carmine sapphire]

[fiery coral]

conversation isn't really going anywhere

[opaque sigil]

I'm not talking about subjective things

[carmine sapphire]

Hornet seep

[opaque sigil]

Conversational relevance

A refusal to adhere to the circumstances of a discussion does not a reasonable refutation make

[verbal marsh]

but its subjective whether the article is worth more

[nimble radish]

[opaque sigil]

[high hedge]

The argument was whether or not Edge was comparable

[opaque sigil]

I didn't say the article was worth more, I said it was comparable in terms of information quantity

[quartz yew]

You know what's fucking me up these days? Sometimes people draw Hornets eyes as two holes, just like the knight, but in the official art she literally has black eyes. Like you can see the reflection in them.
I know this is a small detail we can ignore but whenever I see it I keep thinking back on the "hornet is void" thing.

[verbal marsh]

Ok yes it is

[burnt compass]

i prefer the version of hornet that dons't have weird bug eyes

[opaque sigil]

They aren't really weird

[high hedge]

I never really thought about how those were Hornet’s actual eyes. Neat

[burnt compass]

still not a fan

[high hedge]

Meanwhile you can see inside of The Knight’s mask

[fiery coral]

now draw eyeballs in those gaps

[nimble radish]

hornet's got normal flat eyes
knight's got weird sunken eyes

[quartz yew]

It's just how can she see. The knight is an exception cause they're made of void and we can just chalk it up to that but since Hornet is not it's obvious she has eyes.

[verbal marsh]

Oh god I just accidently messaged tammo

[lost coyote]

her head is the weird looking part

croissant lookin-ass

[opaque sigil]

It's ok

[high hedge]

Imagine if Hornet had giant anime eyes

[opaque sigil]

Don't forget to put that note in ig

[verbal marsh]

will do

[burnt compass]

idk we don't really know the biology of hollow knight bugs

[stoic path]

Both the Edge magazine and the E3 demo had a lot of info in their own respect.

The E3 demo showed us an overall concept of how Hornet's control feel and how difficult the game is, while The Edge magazine gave an in depth on the way Pharloom works and into the gameplay elements like the tools and enemies etc.

Comparing by quantity, Edge magazine definitely had the most info so far.

[opaque sigil]

Although I will note that your total inability to actually pay attention to what I was saying doesn't really cast me as a "dumb fuck," as you so eloquently put it

[nimble radish]

she sees with a flat light sensor
like, eyeballs aren't the only possible method

[lost coyote]

listening to lace rn what a banger

[cerulean sable]

also crest affecting weapon changes

which is 100 based and pretty poggers

[high hedge]

I guess most characters have those flat black eyes

[lost coyote]

wait what are crests

[verbal marsh]

It was just a misunderstanding and you did not understand what I said either

[opaque sigil]

I did

[cerulean sable]

swappable tool slots

[fiery coral]

Already told you two to move on

don't continue this (here, at least)

[opaque sigil]

Inset eyes can also be a thing

[high hedge]

Also true

[verbal marsh]

Very arrogant maybe I should add that to the note

[fiery coral]

[lost coyote]

ohhh right that's why the health bar looks different bc the Crest menu looks the same as the health bar with the spikes n shit

[cerulean sable]

i will earthmove someones ass here if we dont stop this now

[opaque sigil]

Yeah article alluded to that being why that HUD element changes

[burnt compass]

this conversation is getting kinda toxic you guys should probably stop

[lost coyote]

I read it a while ago I forgot crests even existed

[quartz yew]

It kind of looks both cursed and adorable.

[opaque sigil]

“You’ll see the HUD frame is a different shape, specifically the backing, and then those backings are sort of interactive relative to the Crest that you’re using."

Presumably that refers to the bind indicator

Or the decorations around it

[signal crag]

very likely that

[quartz yew]

Wait.
I fucked up the angle

[brittle garnet]

It's most definitely the decorations around it (as a whole, for every crest) and the bind indicator seems to be an effect of a particular crest (or tool)

[high hedge]

Lazy Eye Hornet

[signal crag]

possibly to reflect the bonus attributes they give

[brittle garnet]

since both screenshots with the double bind indicator have the same backing

[opaque sigil]

Hypothetical mini-bind, right.

Not really sure if I like that addition tbh

[brittle garnet]

it seems to be the case since the bind indicator on the spool is also smaller

[signal crag]

mini bind it's just a better version of the Knight's healing then

[opaque sigil]

Kinda detracts from the idea of risk/reward

[quartz yew]

Well what did we expect when hornet fell from that height.

[opaque sigil]

Which is fine for less risk-inclined players ig but still

[brittle garnet]

I think it's more like you can heal a very small amount if you really need healing in a pinch, I think it will be less efficient than full binding

maybe?

[opaque sigil]

Perhaps but that would still make the bind system less effective in inducing a more frantic feel to the fight, the sort of bouncing between life and death

[signal crag]

if it's exactly a 1/3 of the total cost for 1 mask, the efficency seems the same

[brittle garnet]

the indicator for it is at 5 silk nibs, when normal binding costs 9

[lost coyote]

just equip crests that give more masks back for more silk, it's up to the player to decide that

[brittle garnet]

now the deciding factor is whether it heals 1 or 2 masks

[signal crag]

mhm...alright

[brittle garnet]

if it heals 2 then it's actually more efficient than full healing

[opaque sigil]

Definitely shouldn't work like that imo

[brittle garnet]

but I think that it's fine for things like that to exist

not everyone is expected to like or use every option

[opaque sigil]

Hornet’s healing ability matches her Hunter identity, flipping battles from moments of near defeat to empowered strength in an instant! It’s a tense, lethal flow that we’re thrilled for you to experience in the final game.
Sure but it would be counterproductive to this intent

And the smaller bind being more efficient than the full bind would completely defeat its purpose

[brittle garnet]

true

[shell yacht]

???

[opaque sigil]

You would be actively incentivized not to use the more costly ability

[brittle garnet]

what if the same ability also increased full bind healing

[opaque sigil]

Which I suppose could be an interesting gimmick in itself but it would require way more proactivity than the nature of the hypothetical effect would suggest

[brittle garnet]

now I'm wondering if there will be crests which have donwsides

[ocean mulch]

Which ones

[opaque sigil]

Well it could but that would go a bit beyond what seems particularly reasonable in a tool, although I suppose without knowing other blue/yellow tools it's hard to say

[brittle garnet]

greymoor tavern(?) and bell town

[brittle garnet]

yeah this

[sinful flare]

i hope they are interactable and you can enter a few of these quirky houses

[opaque sigil]

Also the size of the inner ring kinda seems to suggest a one mask heal to me tbh

[brittle garnet]

Yeah I was about to say the same

[ocean mulch]

You can't heal half a mask

I think the ring segmentation is a tool

[brittle garnet]

What do you mean?

[opaque sigil]

Well actually it's probably not the same thing that gives a smaller notch on the bar

[verbal marsh]

So instead of healing 3 hearts your heal one and save silk?

[opaque sigil]

Unless there's a HUD glitch here or something

[ocean mulch]

Was about to post that

[opaque sigil]

hehe 🐌

[ocean mulch]

Bad wifi

[stable quiver]

The glowing doors makes me think you can go inside the houses

[opaque sigil]

But the segmented bar could be a crest effect, since in all instances it appears that crest indicator is the same

[ocean mulch]

The crests will be fun in skins

[tropic mica]

I am sorry what are you all doing, actually discussing silksong in this channel, disguisting

[opaque sigil]

Perhaps the crest just decreases silk cost to heal, maybe makes your only bind yield two masks, since that would be sensible as an upgrade if it's the exclusive means of binding

[stable quiver]

Do you think that there will be as many tools is SS and there are charms in HK?

[opaque sigil]

In total, probably at least as many

[verbal marsh]

more probably

[true vine]

I think we've seen as many tools as charms

maybe more

[brittle garnet]

but then why is the normal bind notch still on the spool?

[opaque sigil]

Especially since there's the division between categories TC might want to have a significant number of each, to ensure that players always get a reasonable pool, so I would not be surprised in the least if SS has significantly more spools

[stable quiver]

I wonder what the Forge Daughter will upgrade for Hornet? maybe her needle

[opaque sigil]

Just indicator of original capacity maybe

[verbal marsh]

she makes tools right?

[stable quiver]

idk

[alpine zephyr]

Ye

[opaque sigil]

If players had previously been using that as a reference point to estimate how much silk they had then removing it could be disorienting

It would also demonstrate clearly how much their capacity has grown

[verbal marsh]

Good point

[brittle garnet]

I suppose

[opaque sigil]

I don't really see any harm in leaving it in, at least

[brittle garnet]

Perhaps the double ring is something entirely different, yeah

[cerulean sable]

i wish hornet could shoot lightning ouT of her hands

[brittle garnet]

maybe it gives you two charges of Binding?

[opaque sigil]

That would be quite powerful

[brittle garnet]

that would be too powerful without downsides, yeah

[nimble radish]

she'd need to eat a fuckton of flies

[opaque sigil]

Stocking charges of binding would make you pretty much invincible

[true vine]

or perhaps it just means you can heal in advance, before the original bind fills up

[cerulean sable]

luma flies should unironically be weaponized

like throwable jars i guess

[true vine]

molotov cocktails but electricity

[opaque sigil]

Volt Twisters: "Am I a joke to you?"

[cerulean sable]

oh yeah forgot about those fuckers, weird that they only show up on ToF

shouldve been the boss or something for shade soul imo

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's kinda cool that ToF has unique enemies, gives it some draw

[cerulean sable]

fair

[ocean mulch]

Vault guy wants to talk with you

[sinful flare]

there is an open door on the bottom left part so maybe?

[opaque sigil]

Yeah the doors are definitely presented in such a manner that they look enterable

No question about that imo

[nimble radish]

a shame that volt twisters are like the only one

[opaque sigil]

Especially with the doors spilling out light from the inside

Classic indicator that something can be entered, and HK used that a lot

[ocean mulch]

Free flying pharloomian lumafly

[opaque sigil]

ig if they won't fly away having a population of free-roaming lumaflies is a good thing

But it does kinda look like there might be glass around it

[ocean mulch]

This door seems to be closed

[ocean mulch]

Damn you're right

[alpine zephyr]

Is that even a door?

[opaque sigil]

I would imagine it opens at some point, maybe after encountering a NPC

If you look closely you can see that it darkens around the lumafly, probably a foreground lantern imo

I do like the strings of lanterns, they look cool (even if maintaining them must be a pain)

And bells, of course, there gotta be bells on those strings

[ocean mulch]

I just KNOW there's a marrow connect

There has to be

[opaque sigil]

Kinda look like marrow bells

[ocean mulch]

I meant the one in the background

Those bell assets are everything tammo

Deep docks, the city

[opaque sigil]

ngl the marrow seems really wasteful, and I can't really think of a rational purpose. Maybe a dumping ground for flawed bells or smth

[trim estuary]

Whassamarrow

[opaque sigil]

Like the stagways but bell

[brittle garnet]

I kinda think the marrow connects to every area in some way

[opaque sigil]

It's the tunnel network Bell Beast uses to travel, and even has some playable space, where the fight happens

It probably connects to most areas, at least

[brittle garnet]

yeah, I think so

[opaque sigil]

If there are one or two smaller areas that don't have their own station that wouldn't totally shock me

[ocean mulch]

Well yeah but I think the bell town is like an oversized outcrop of it

[brittle garnet]

I kinda think Bell town isn't actually close to the first place where we encounter the Marrow

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, I don't either

[mint valve]

Good morning. 8th day on discord and 6th day of 2022. any silksong

[opaque sigil]

Seems like more of a midgame town, whereas fast travel is probably relatively early

[trim estuary]

Ohhhhh yeaaaahhh

[ocean mulch]

Who knows when we tame her

[brittle garnet]

well yeah, we know from EDGE that we encounter the bell beast and marrow pretty early on

[opaque sigil]

I doubt you go that long without fast travel, but yeah the fight is definitely earlier

[trim estuary]

I think the first fight is probably just after moss grotto, and the taming is maybe in the area after DD?

[opaque sigil]

Only reason I can think of for TC not having fast travel early on is if the early game is a good deal more linear and there aren't really any merchants at bonebottom at first, which is definitely possible

[mint valve]

hopefully

[ocean mulch]

Bonebottom feels very barren in useful NPCs

[opaque sigil]

Well it is the starting town, and Shakra appears there at least once

There's also a quest board (although it's still being set up when Hornet first arrives)

[ocean mulch]

And a quest board builder

DANG IT

[trim estuary]

We should make it into Fleshtop

[ocean mulch]

[opaque sigil]

I also don't think we've seen all of bonebottom, and even if it is just that group of huddled NPCs in tents we know from Edge that there is at least one merchant that sells crests and/or tools

[sinful flare]

makes sense that it looks like it's being held by nothing

[brittle garnet]

well, it probably will be at first, but as mentioned in EDGE we'll be seeing evolutions in the spaces that we visit

[opaque sigil]

That's also something that I suspect will come into play with bonebottom

[ocean mulch]

The in between area is never shown. In between the bench and quest board

[opaque sigil]

Especially since it's the starting town and has such meager beginnings, it seems ripe for progression

[brittle garnet]

Yeah

[trim estuary]

Final boss at bonebottom when

[brittle garnet]

I'm really excited for all that stuff, spaces and towns evolving

[ocean mulch]

I'm excited for the caravan
A moving evolving town

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, HK did a bit of that but for SS it sounds like it's getting more focus, especially as a reward for quests and things, which I think will also make them feel more natural and purposeful

[brittle garnet]

I really hope the former isn't the case

I hope TC didn't see all the reviews of people saying they're lost and don't know where to go and decided to accomodate for them

[ocean mulch]

I think they'll speed the early game up compared to HK.

[opaque sigil]

Yeah me too but early game HK was pretty linear too and that turned out being one of the most freeform progression paths overall I've played so not the end of the world

[ocean mulch]

HK early game is a slog

[opaque sigil]

Even if it's more linear up to a point so long as it lets go of the reins soonish I would be fine with it

[ocean mulch]

I think the reins are loosened after Lace

[trim estuary]

I think the caravan will either follow where you go/advance through the kingdom as you progress or be at 3 different locations with the excuse “they just happened to be there when you were there”

[ocean mulch]

They most definitely climb upwards

[opaque sigil]

Already have imo with ledge grab and the new pogo, those alone add a lot to Hornet's base moveset as opposed to TK's

[alpine zephyr]

Caravan?

[ocean mulch]

Fleas

[nimble radish]

if it's not progression based
as in, caravan moves on when you beat the area boss or whatever
I'd be surprised

[opaque sigil]

That is kinda progression based though

[alpine zephyr]

Caravan of fleas?

[trim estuary]

Yes

[ocean mulch]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

I doubt they'll measure playtime or anything, they would need to pick some trigger to cause the fleas to move

[ocean mulch]

They have a flea market

[nimble radish]

if they don't make it progression based idk what they'd do

[opaque sigil]

It really should be progression based

[trim estuary]

They could have the caravan just be at 3 separate places with the excuse that it just happened to be there the same time as you

[opaque sigil]

If it isn't then the actions of the player would probably not affect where the caravan is, which could mean that, by no fault of their own, the player is just totally unable to access its services

[opaque sigil]

They could certainly do that but that sort of thing often feels pretty jarring. Totally an option, just not really the one I'd like to see.

[trim estuary]

Yeah same

[ocean mulch]

Progression methinks

[opaque sigil]

I think the HK model of measuring progression with key triggers (eg dreamers, mantis claw, monarch wings) would work fine, or they could even just have the caravan reach a new spot after Hornet reaches it and benches or something

Either way that could ensure the caravan is within reach, and without feeling overly gamey by having them in multiple places at once

[ocean mulch]

Hornet: benches in bell town
Caravan: teleportation activated

[burnt topaz]

kinda like the guy from botw who sells the monster stuff

[brittle garnet]

since they mentioned it's quite a complex world, they could probably have a complex system determine when it moves on

[opaque sigil]

Can be rationalized as Hornet taking enough time to rest and/or the caravan having been en route for a little while

[brittle garnet]

for example after you first reach it, there could be several triggers for it to move on, and then other key triggers later on if you haven't encountered it

[opaque sigil]

Yeah there would probably need to be multiple triggers

[ocean mulch]

I wonder what the story of garmond, zaza and hornet fighting the huge beast in front of the town is

[brittle garnet]

though I'm kinda thinking they might make encountering the Caravan unavoidable

[opaque sigil]

Unless the triggers are all mandatory encounters, it would otherwise be possible to miss them altogether

[opaque sigil]

I definitely don't think it should be unlikely

And making an encounter unavoidable could be fine if the encounter isn't super involved and, like, the player can just walk past if they don't want to talk to the fleas

[brittle garnet]

yeah, that's what I meant

more like, you can't miss it or it's hard to miss

[opaque sigil]

Locking you into NPC interactions probably won't be a big thing anyways imo

[nimble radish]

theres like one interaction you get forced into in hk

[opaque sigil]

Well maybe more than one

[brittle garnet]

a few

[nimble radish]

not a lot, anyways

[opaque sigil]

Hornet, snail shaman, dreamers (kinda), seer

It's not super abrasive overall

And most of those interactions are short and/or give key rewards

SS will have Lace, churchkeeper at a minimum

Different ending may require Seth imo

He seems to be doing something fairly important

[ocean mulch]

Shakra

Actually

[opaque sigil]

Shakra might not be a forced NPC interaction

Oh right the stunlock

[ocean mulch]

Yeah maps aren't required

[burnt topaz]

do you think the shakra part in the trailer is a forced interaction?
if it is i doubt its more than like 2 lines

[brittle garnet]

Shakra part in the trailer probably won't be there in the final game

[opaque sigil]

Yeah seems like it, unless she only appears there under certain circumstances (which I doubt for a cartographer character)

[ocean mulch]

My girl's just happy to see her bro, Hornet

[opaque sigil]

Why not?

[brittle garnet]

cause like, we know she does the shout fake-out at the start of the game, in FoB
why would she do it again if she knows Hornet already

[opaque sigil]

Could just be a greeting or something

[nimble radish]

just shakra's thing

[burnt topaz]

she does a warrior pose and you can just walk past her

[brittle garnet]

maybe

I think it's not particularly unlikely that her position in the trailer isn't final

like a lot of other things

[opaque sigil]

It's not unlikely

It would be a weird spot to have a cartographer

[brittle garnet]

yeah, that too

[burnt topaz]

yeah, why wouldnt she be inside the city, unless she got like kicked out or something

[opaque sigil]

More thinking "Why wouldn't Hornet encounter her somewhere closer to the middle of greymoor" since Cornifer generally (but not always) not being right next to an entrance to the area was standard

[burnt topaz]

that also works

[alpine zephyr]

I don’t understand anything rn

[burnt topaz]

have you read the google docs in the pins

[alpine zephyr]

No

[stiff burrow]

In HK finding Sly is pretty important but he's completely missable
Stuff like that will probably be a thing again yea

[burnt topaz]

thatll catch you up to speed on most things silksong

[alpine zephyr]

Cba XD

[burnt topaz]

you probably wont find much silksong discussion here too engaging then

[alpine zephyr]

I will just understand as I play when the games out

[opaque sigil]

idk, Sly wasn't that hard to find if you were playing as intended and exploring

[alpine zephyr]

I still do tho

[opaque sigil]

Like sure he's sorta tucked away but if you kill Gruz Mother it's very hard to miss him

[burnt topaz]

you have to go past sly to get back up

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

And the natural progression through the area brings you pretty close

[stiff burrow]

Point is I don't think TC would make a lot of encounters 100% forced even important ones
Close by sure just not right there

[ocean mulch]

I find it interesting how Shakra isn't always in her mapping position

[opaque sigil]

Oh yeah not 100% forced but the game should guide you subtly towards the important stuff

[brittle garnet]

I wonder if Hornet's "Crafting" will actually go beyond just using Shell Shard to replenish tools

[rotund raven]

so what's the most common speculation for silksong's plot?

[opaque sigil]

I doubt it tbh

[brittle garnet]

uhh literally whatever you want
Hornet goes to the Citadel and ends the curse, or something

[rotund raven]

oh

[brittle garnet]

yeah there is not much to go off of

[rotund raven]

so basically nothing

[opaque sigil]

Well there are a lot of speculations but it's hard to say what's correct and what's the most prevalent

[stiff burrow]

There's not much to go off
Except ending the curse that was mentioned somehow

[brittle garnet]

mine

The "Plot" is something we really have no specifics about at all

[stiff burrow]

Only thing we really know is that it will involve finding out why Hornet was captured

[rotund raven]

another curse/infection sounds kinda lame but I assume they'll handle it differently

[opaque sigil]

It presents differently, at least

[stiff burrow]

Just the fact that not pretty much everyone is dead already makes it different to a degree

[ocean osprey]

It's unlikely that the Radiance will have any effect on Pharloom, though that doesn't completely rule out the possibility of there being some infection

[trim estuary]

The susset master

[opaque sigil]

Probably won't be HK infection at all

It's said to be endemic to Hallownest and SS probably takes place after HK so infection wouldn't be around

[ocean osprey]

If Hornet brings with her the knowledge of the Radiance's existence to Pharloom, you'd think that might cause problems

Oh, if it's after, then I guess, yeah

[rotund raven]

well, let's hope the radiance is canonically dead

[ocean osprey]

Or even if it's an early enough prequel before Hornet found out the details of her birth

[ocean osprey]

Not sure on if she's dead in DNM or just absorbed somehow but she should definitely be incapacitated and incapable of causing harm in any ending except the ones where TK seals her away again

[carmine sapphire]

silksong september

[rotund raven]

ig

[rotund raven]

tomorrow

[carmine sapphire]

[opaque sigil]

She's dead in EtV and DNM, in THK and SS she's resealed for a good while, even if she isn't contained permanently, so unless SS takes place way after, she'd be a nonthreat

Either way I'm quite confident that Rad won't play a role in SS

[ocean osprey]

So if Sealed Siblings occurs, Hornet would need to find some way out of the black egg or Silksong is a prequel

[opaque sigil]

Even if she conceivably could I don't see why TC would include her

[opaque sigil]

Well they don't really, and imo the seal breaking bugs seem like a pretty clear wink to that possibility

[brittle garnet]

or Silksong doesn't take place after Sealed Siblings

[opaque sigil]

Like that was a lot of very big emphasis to put on the breaking of a seal

[cunning geode]

Holy shit it was so obvious. Sealed Siblings, SS; Silksong, SS. Silksong is the sequel to ||Shawshank Redemption||

[rotund raven]

no way

[opaque sigil]

At this point in order to disqualify really any ending TC would have to actively try to do it, and I don't anticipate them doing that, just seems like a waste of effort

[rotund raven]

shaw

[nimble radish]

year after

[opaque sigil]

No way to know

At this time, it's reasonably likely that even the developers don't know

[ocean osprey]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just make Silksong completely disconnected from the story of Hollow Knight so as to avoid tampering with any endings

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that seems like the optimal approach, especially since it also makes SS more newcomer-friendly

They talked about the new kingdom and lore as a means of doing that, and narrative presumably falls under that imo

Gibson explains that starting with the clean slate of an entirely new kingdom with its own lore and new characters is another way in which Silksong is designed to be “a perfect jumping-on point for new players. We’re trying to be really, really mindful that we want this to be a game that new people can come into, and experience as their first Hollow Knight game – that it sits alongside the original game

[ocean osprey]

I'm hoping that, given all the time they're taking to make Silksong, the lore of Pharloom is much more complete

[ocean mulch]

HK lore is complete wdym

[opaque sigil]

Like if they're making a new kingdom and fresh lore with the intention that that allows new players to experience SS independently, I just don't think they would make the narrative any less independent

[ocean osprey]

There's a lot of missing bits of information on things like the Colosseum of Fools, likely because they ran out of time to finish fleshing it out

[opaque sigil]

Well there are always going to be missing bits

[ocean osprey]

Their Kickstarter initially mentioned something about unraveling the mystery behind the Colosseum but that content never made it into the game, presumably due to time constraints

[opaque sigil]

A game can't always explain every facet of the setting, especially without exposition dumps

[ocean mulch]

God bless Ari for godmaster lore. That's a whole najshdjksjsbnss. Imagine having to explain bossrushes in universe.

[ocean osprey]

I suppose but there are certain NPCs like the mask maker and Jinn that just make me think they either deliberately left stuff hanging to make you wonder about the world or just didn't have time to fill in the details

[opaque sigil]

HK took a very naturalistic approach to lore and that's always going to leave some unanswered questions

[rotund raven]

yeah, in most large games with tons of lore they have stuff like lore books

destiny 2 for example

[ocean mulch]

Lore books are so boring

[opaque sigil]

Like the game generally didn't tell you things just for the sake of telling you them, it told you things because they made sense for TK to be told

[rotund raven]

alot of people would disagree, however I'm not one of those people

[opaque sigil]

Lore books can be boring if done badly, sure

[ocean osprey]

I read the Silmarillion and you're right

[opaque sigil]

Silmarillion is... well yeah

Not really what dub was talking about

[nimble radish]

silmarillion is a bunch of tolkiens stuff compiled posthumously by his son right?

[ocean osprey]

Tbf I don't think Tolkien ever meant to publish the content of Silmarillion but that's off topic

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, they were like notes and background info (or so I've heard)

ig the closest thing to what dub was talking about in HK were the relic blurbs from Lemm

Although even those aren't quite the same

But tbh a game relying heavily on journal entries and things for lore speaks to the inability to tell it in a more nuanced manner imo

Like "We created this cool backstory, how do we convey it to the player"
"idk man just write it down and stick it in there"

[brittle garnet]

what'd be a more nuanced manner?

[ocean osprey]

The way we learn things in Hollow Knight, I'd say

[opaque sigil]

Just showing it in the world and allowing players to naturally draw conclusions that would be evident from the journals

[rotund raven]

to be fair, while you may be able to say it's somewhat "lazy"

[opaque sigil]

Yes it does rely a bit more on the players but that's not a bad thing

[wheat sail]

Nah just give the player a whole book explaining everything

[ocean osprey]

Nobody ever directly tells you anything about the world except people who study its history like Quirrell and Lemm

[opaque sigil]

Not lazy, really, just not the most interesting way to convey that information

[rotund raven]

in games like Destiny 2 it gets pretty exciting to see characters in the lore/events unfolding into the actual game

[ocean osprey]

Everybody else only tells you pieces of the lore that are relevant to them and that it makes sense for them to know

[rotund raven]

yeh, lazy for lack of a better term

[opaque sigil]

Well that's not the same

Simple, maybe

[ocean mulch]

In movies we call this show not tell

[opaque sigil]

Man movie lingo

[rotund raven]

so yeah, in some games they tell and tell and tell and when they finally show it's like pretty exciting

[stoic path]

God, those movies that give waaay too much exposition. Those are kinda annoying.

[cunning geode]

is destiny 2 really your best example

[rotund raven]

3rd act of shang chi be like

[hollow terrace]

Yes

[rotund raven]

yes, because I haven't played too many of these kinds of games but destiny 2 portrays that situation pretty well

[hollow terrace]

The seasonal story is pretty neat

[ocean mulch]

I am going to tell you that I am messy instead of just showing you my apartment that's messy

[tame widget]

[rotund raven]

hornet my beloved

[empty trench]

Silksong my beloved

[rotund raven]

her name is silksong

[vestal wagon]

Bloodborne. The way you just stumble across things and connect the dots between in world evidence and item descriptions.

Gives you just enough to get the general direction of what you're supposed to be doing, but the deeper lore behind sequences of events and connections between certain characters take a bit more time to figure out.

[digital glen]

Today we are analyzing the Silksong Reveal Trailer 0:23 / 2:09

[ocean mulch]

Gorgeous

[wheat sail]

Does hornet have a haircut here??

[digital glen]

We finally got to the gameplay

[ocean mulch]

Already 23 days

[digital glen]

It's a bug passing by, but iam gonna stick to the haircut

[stoic path]

Ah foreground magic, huh?

[pale lion]

i do like how pretty the moss grotto looks

[odd zinc]

silksong does not exist is a prank

[opaque sigil]

MG aesthetic is fantastic

[stoic path]

The entire game looks good, the colors in this game is a lot better than HK

[opaque sigil]

Kinda reminds me of blue lake in terms of serenity but so much more vibrant and dynamic

[marsh ibex]

alright

I believe it’s time for a counter

[ocean mulch]

Because everything in HK is blue tinted

[stoic path]

The amount of times people talked about environments?

[marsh ibex]

and I’m only starting here because I don’t want to give myself a stroke

[opaque sigil]

Blue and purple, mostly

Even greenpath is super purple

[stoic path]

Fungus waste and queens garden is closest to be unique

[marsh ibex]

bg kinda reminds me of the hive

not like color wise

but the weird lumpiness

[opaque sigil]

Hive and KE are the real outliers

[stoic path]

Ah forgot about Hive

[pale lion]

tbh my favourite environments in hk was the the area with lots of shrubbery so im not too suprised i like the look of the moss grotto

[marsh ibex]

moss grotto is only based on the squishy moss steps

[wanton eagle]

squishy

[silver oak]

based

[stoic path]

I absolutely love Flora and Fauna! That's why I like Mossy Grotto and Coral Forest. Though all the places look pretty good ao far, Greymoor is surprisingly good looking too.

[burnt topaz]

moss just always looks so tasty, it has a nice texture and if i could, id eat some

[ocean mulch]

You mean the
つ
つ
つ

[stoic path]

Haha Kris from Deltarune

[burnt topaz]

i just like moss

[stoic path]

I have a bag of moss if you want

[burnt topaz]

has it been dry cleaned?

[stoic path]

Uhh

[burnt topaz]

shame, anyways

the interactivity of the silksong world is so cool, its such a big improvement from just breaking the signs and rocks and stuff

[stoic path]

I like how the chained signs in Deep Docks wobble around

[signal crag]

almost everything has recieved some sorts of improvement, as minor as the new inventory design, and as large as the flow of combat

[ocean mulch]

New inventory is the best thing ever

[stoic path]

DEEP DOCKS

[signal crag]

absolutely, it's really great

[opaque sigil]

New inventory looked pretty similar in the demo, but I do like the crest equip screen more than the charm one

[burnt topaz]

im gonna spend minutes of my life making the chains move

[stoic path]

Have mercy, I'm on phone

[ocean mulch]

I'll ring every bell

[burnt topaz]

i like how they arent forcing it all to be on one screen and theres clear sections, which is more due to general tool design than ui but its still good

[signal crag]

i need a puzzle that require to put the number of every bells in the game

[opaque sigil]

Ah you meant that, not the (probably placeholder) inventory screen in the demo

[signal crag]

do we have a screenshot of that ready?
maybe in the info doc?

[coarse leaf]

id rather the crest be in the middle but its fine

[signal crag]

oh, nice Tammo, you are prepared as always

[opaque sigil]

Like it's fine but it's not an improvement really

[marsh ibex]

nice

[signal crag]

it could still be used for the "bag" section?

[cunning geode]

you know how every single hole in the grubfather room is for a grub somewhere else in the game? Well, those Fleas you save like to live in bells...

[opaque sigil]

Could be

[ocean mulch]

Can you control which buttons do the inventory scrolling for keyboard

[ancient spindle]

oh wow people actually talking about silksong

carry on

[burnt topaz]

like for the part that this icon represents?

[signal crag]

for general stuff, like movement upgrades, new silk abilities, stuff like that

[keen forum]

Sorry, didn't mean to post a GIF.

[opaque sigil]

idk if you could do that in HK

[signal crag]

you can't

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it would certainly work for that

[ocean mulch]

The opacity of the darkness has been adjusted and the BG blurs nicely

[opaque sigil]

Blur was maybe just resolution

[ocean mulch]

No it's actual blur I think

[opaque sigil]

This is better probably

[opaque sigil]

Oh yeah it was definitely increased

[cunning geode]

i wonder who that could be

[burnt topaz]

yeah it blurs very noticably here

[fallen elbow]

I love Flora too!

[ocean mulch]

Zote

[tawdry valley]

It’s the pale king, you can tell by the eye shape and the head spikes

[burnt topaz]

whos this??? 😱😱😱

[opaque sigil]

I will note that this appears to be the same thing before the menu was opened

[brittle garnet]

it's blurred but you can clearly see the scene behind it
yeah that one^

[burnt topaz]

yeah it definitely is

[ocean mulch]

Shakira aka Cornifer

[burnt topaz]

i know its shakra im messing around

[digital glen]

Finally

Sandeye

[coarse leaf]

i am considering holding ari gibson's entire family hostage until we get silksong

[marsh ibex]

do tell

[coarse leaf]

When silksong comes out this server is gonna explode

[coarse leaf]

nah discord will be gone by then

[coarse leaf]

I already have his grandma in my basement, you can have the rest

[marsh ibex]

hey

[coarse leaf]

okay

[coarse leaf]

The world will be gone by then

[marsh ibex]

you know how joking about kidnapping people and taking them hostage is not a good thing?

Don’t do that

[coarse leaf]

https://c.tenor.com/MT4kC0DtizUAAAAM/kane-kane-brough.gif

[coarse leaf]

'joke' wouldn't be so sure mate

[opaque sigil]

It's in poor taste

[marsh ibex]

I could just ban you and report it to the authorities that you’re committing a crime then

[cunning geode]

criminal charges moment

[coarse leaf]

dang

[charred cloak]

well the mood here changed for the worse

[coarse leaf]

https://c.tenor.com/_HCeoUQBB5kAAAAM/elmo-dance-elmo-swag.gif

[digital glen]

very funny but: 193.148.176.252

[coarse leaf]

ion even know my own ip man

[stoic path]

Just don't joke about kidnapping

[opaque sigil]

You'd think it wouldn't need to be said

[charred cloak]

doxing is crime too

[coarse leaf]

banned

[feral tusk]

types random number under 255

[digital glen]

It's not if you put your own ip 😎

[feral tusk]

get doxxed

[charred cloak]

dang

[coarse leaf]

thank you

oh germany

[charred cloak]

not real, thats a fake place

[coarse leaf]

i knew it

germany is fake

[sage glade]

mfw u need to say this

[ocean mulch]

Anyways
Sinskbong

[vale galleon]

yep.

[stoic vale]

While we are all waiting for silksong, we must ask ourselves an important question: will silksong have sandwiches in it

[shell yacht]

good point, Hornet needs to eat
proper cobsumables may be a thing

[stoic vale]

Exactly

[silver oak]

corn on the cob

[normal acorn]

Silksong with Hungry Knight mechanics confirmed??

[coarse leaf]

starvation ending

[digital glen]

Don't Starve: Silksong?

[coral glacier]

LETS GO

that'd be cool

[mint valve]

Could be. The knight didn't need to eat because it was void. but if its like freddy in security breach where you have to go to a recharge station every 10 min then it would be kinda tedious

[nimble radish]

I think there was some mention of hornet eating but idk

[mint valve]

Unless you could hold the food or find food on enemies like a 1/45 chance to drop food

[nimble radish]

also yeah an actual hunger system would not work I don't think

[opaque sigil]

A hunger mechanic would suck yeah

Like there's zero point to doing that

[mint valve]

I actually tried hungry knight and the hunger mechanic is very annoying

[opaque sigil]

Well in hungry knight, that's the game

[mint valve]

true

[opaque sigil]

It's not like survival games are bad because they have hunger mechanics, in those instances it's a driving force of the gameplay, it's just that silksong does not seem like the game that would benefit from that at all

[stoic path]

It was just a small idea for a gamejam

[normal acorn]

I was kidding aaaa

[opaque sigil]

We know

[normal acorn]

Oke lol

[mint valve]

It works for survival games because its supposed to feel like you're trying to survive. In a metroidvania where everything is fast paced and areas are huge I don't think that would work

[mint valve]

yea

[signal crag]

are people suggesting hunger mechanic in Silksong unironically?

[opaque sigil]

Not really, no

[mint valve]

Where saying how bad it would be

[signal crag]

oh, alright

[vagrant umbra]

I wonder if there will be lore implications to Hornet respawning like the Knight does. I know it’s just a pod… but… why a pod?

[mint valve]

It's a silk cocoon that spiders use to store food

It fills your spool completely

[vagrant umbra]

I mean sure, but why is it when I am mortally wounded, I want to make a quick cocoon before retreating? I feel like, there’s something explicit the game will mention.

[signal crag]

are there lore implications of the Knight respawning?

[opaque sigil]

Not really

[mint valve]

no

[signal crag]

i think that's just a game mechanic and nothing more

[vagrant umbra]

Professor Jiji?!?!

[nimble radish]

theres lore implications of the shade left behind

[opaque sigil]

That implication being "The Knight is a vessel"

[signal crag]

alright
but not the knight respawning

[vagrant umbra]

I don’t mean lore for respawning, I’m talking about the cocoon.

I guess it doesn’t matter.

[signal crag]

oh, okay

[mint valve]

Would silk cocoon have rosaries?

[opaque sigil]

Probably

[signal crag]

it better have

[opaque sigil]

There's no reason to remove that, really

[nimble radish]

so what's the cocoon supposed to be
does it hint at a reveal about her like the shade does? or is it just convenience

[opaque sigil]

Could just be convenience. What else would they leave behind

[vagrant umbra]

It’s a gameplay mechanic first and world building last from what I can tell. A good come back in the fight mechanic for bosses.

[coral glacier]

hornet will never have a shade

[nimble radish]

idk, I was thinking maybe her cloak or something to pick up your stuff

[coral glacier]

because hornet is not VOID

[mint valve]

She void tho ( joke )

[coral glacier]

I will break every bone of your body (joke)

[nimble radish]

have you considered how funny it would be if TC decided to completely change that for no reason

[coarse leaf]

Everything in HK is canon to the lore, so

[wheat sail]

aka dont think about lore

[stoic path]

Gameplay wise it's a neat idea, because you can choose when to regain your silk back for an emergency spool fill in boss battles

Though no more shade skips so... I guess we got tools, can't wait to see the tool skips people come up with.

[small goblet]

can't you pogo silk?

[mint valve]

Maybe they replaced the pogo and shade because of skips

[marsh ibex]

I mean there’s a chance that hornet isn’t entirely done with her life cycle maybe?

since yknow, transforming is a thing her dad did

[small goblet]

maybe then you like grapple to silk spool and recoil (?) to your destination?

[marsh ibex]

And yes, I know that wasn’t part of PK’s lifecycle, it was a choice

[stoic path]

Can you? iirc there is no recoil when hitting the cocoon

[small goblet]

i didn't play silksong idk

[opaque sigil]

You can afaik but you can't manipulate its position

[stoic path]

Well I watched a lot of demo gameplay

[small goblet]

doesn't silk spool spawn on your exact position where you died?

[opaque sigil]

Probably not

That would suck if you died to spikes or something

[nimble radish]

I feel like theres a deliberate effort to avoid shade skips

[coarse leaf]

Also, someone has any idea on how SS will replace the shade mechanic?

[opaque sigil]

It probably follows the same system as HK where rooms have one or more designated spots and depending on where Hornet dies it's spawned in one of those spots

[opaque sigil]

With the cocoons

[small goblet]

oh indeed

[small goblet]

cocoons that give you full (afaik) silk bar when destroyed

[paper dock]

does anyone know how much it will cost

[opaque sigil]

Probably $15, definitely not much more

[coarse leaf]

So it wouldn't be as punishing as the shade system?

[opaque sigil]

In that the cocoon grants an extra benefit when destroying it no, it won't be as punishing

And there are strings if you're anxious about losing money

[small goblet]

i don't think cocoons take away your currencies, so i guess yes, it's less punishing

[coarse leaf]

[opaque sigil]

They probably do, if you don't recover them from the cocoon

It's definitely not impossible to lose money

[coarse leaf]

But who would even do that?

[little tendon]

Imagine Hornet just dies at the end

[opaque sigil]

There could totally be an ending where Hornet dies

[trim estuary]

the good ending

[mint valve]

Prediction: the main antagonist or major character is closely related/family member of Herrah. Evidence: Pharloom is the weavers home.

[marsh ibex]

herrah isn’t a weaver

not all spiders are weavers, and she’s a common beast from deepnest

[mint valve]

Wasn't she queen of deepnest or something?

[marsh ibex]

that doesn’t make her a weaver

[mint valve]

oh

[opaque sigil]

Married into royalty

Sting shard ladders

[ocean mulch]

Deepnest existed before the weavers came. They just saw spiders lived there and thought "well isn't that convenient"

[mint valve]

true

[opaque sigil]

And indeed it was convenient

[ocean mulch]

They greatly elevated their(deepnest's) society though

[lost coyote]

this turning in #hk-lore

[ocean mulch]

Weavers
Silksong

[mint valve]

Then how can hornet make silk.

[opaque sigil]

Spiders can make silk, not just weavers

[ocean mulch]

Spiders are known for silk production

[mint valve]

true

[ocean mulch]

Weavers are special because... They weave on looms

[jovial gust]

Sup chrom?

[ocean mulch]

How much percent

If your discount is lower than 20 I'm out

[ocean mulch]

It's not loading

[mint valve]

actual game?

[jovial gust]

Yep working on it rn

[ocean mulch]

You should've made it hungry song

[mint valve]

pog

[ocean mulch]

Or hungry silk
Because spiders eat their silk

[jovial gust]

Imma make 3 playable characters, zote knight and hornet

[ocean mulch]

[mint valve]

I noticed new emots

[ocean mulch]

They're old

[jovial gust]

Ill continue dev tommorrow its 4am now, ill get to bed c yah...oh heres the latest build

[ocean mulch]

Nice

You should try to only talka about SS in here

[mint valve]

Where can we get

[ocean mulch]

#off-topic might be a better fit for this
When you add hornet you can post it in here maybe

[trim estuary]

Only is new I think

[opaque sigil]

None of those are new

[mint valve]

oh

[trim estuary]

Oh yup BellIdea was made a year and a half ago

[marsh ibex]

it’s advertising

[marsh ibex]

Also why would you redirect them to the chat that doesn’t allow HK

[ocean mulch]

Oh it doesn't?

[alpine zephyr]

Ello

[trim estuary]

[ocean mulch]

My bad I don't usually use any channel apart from here

[trim estuary]

So #hk-general

[mint valve]

All this talk about indie games always reminds me of the desolate hope. made by scott cawthon

[ocean mulch]

I forgot #hk-general exists

[trim estuary]

How does this remind of that game

[marsh ibex]

I mean I personally wouldn’t as it probably falls under advertising anyways

[opaque sigil]

"saem"

[trim estuary]

[small goblet]

why you need #hk-general when you have #sk-discussion

[grim forge]

omg hungry knight

[mint valve]

me Its a metroidvania. It's one of the worst games I've ever played. I always thing of hollow knight and the desolate hope when people talk about indie games. I think of the good in indie games and the bad in indie games

[trim estuary]

Desolate hope’s art style looks really cool but it’s pretty bad

[mint valve]

fact

[alpine zephyr]

Wat talk bout

[trim estuary]

Y mum

[alpine zephyr]

Hahahahahahaha so funny 😐

[ocean mulch]

Moss mother

[misty tundra]

any ss news?

[mint valve]

no

[misty tundra]

okay, ill ask again in one month, see you

[mint valve]

Huh. no ones around

[ocean mulch]

Creepy

[mint valve]

right

[trim estuary]

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[mint valve]

of course. now everyone including Dyno is here

[small goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-14576371 hmm

[fringe pulsar]

Runs in the family

[ocean mulch]

Ari knows how to animate some good stabbing

[fringe pulsar]

Probably how the pale king died

[small goblet]

ss is sequel confirmed?

[livid oracle]

I thought we can talk about anything in here

[ocean mulch]

Didn't realize that even this rope was detailed

[mint valve]

except fish. ( unless it le fishe)

[jade canopy]

Wait, what is she stabbing her self with ? I always assume it was like, her needle, and not, well a tool god that sounds stupid

[small goblet]

can't we?

[warm bone]

Well, fish are off topic memes and just detract from the discussion

[opaque sigil]

Lifeblood needle

So a red tool

[livid oracle]

Yea we need pure concentration in this channel. We are uncovering new revelations every day

So much new information to process

[small goblet]

weird that hornet could learn so much moves from thk but decided to learn stab

[lost coyote]

every day we uncover a new piece of information which leads us to the desert island that the silksong release date is buried on

[lost coyote]

hornet needs psychological help

[misty tundra]

Who doesn't in hollow knight?

[mint valve]

Hello oh lords of discord can you bless me with permission to post le fishe. specifically @EspoirDeFevrier because this is french. or are you french. please oh lords tell me if I'm right or wrong

[spring perch]

Whats le fishe??

[mint valve]

an album of french songs. none of them are meme songs

The only thing related to fish is the cover

[carmine sapphire]

Menderbug

[jade canopy]

Correct I guess, never thought of that

[mint valve]

But after what happened I don't know if I can post Le Fishe album

[mint valve]

fact

[wheat sail]

the shopkeeper bug

[jade canopy]

Why would you tho ? Like does it relates to the discussion in any way, it either seems like a random meme, or self promotion

And also well it’s an English only server

[mint valve]

true

[small goblet]

oh, so english only?
ban french mods

[mint valve]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-sus-eye-the-rock-gif-23171646

[jade canopy]

Wait but, I’m french too

[mint valve]

so then ban you

[jade canopy]

Well it’s time to go kids

[mint valve]

You see that meme is on topic. But not fish

[wheat sail]

La poisson

[sinful flare]

I agree

[mint valve]

Unlike if I randomly posted jack stauber's pop food.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40R49TvD_FM

[small goblet]

but you randomly posted jack stauber's pop food

[mint valve]

I used that as an example of what not to do

Heckin good track too

[small goblet]

well you could use it as a topic meme on 1:21

[mint valve]

You mean the amogus meme.

[small goblet]

idk i just heard is somewhere

[mint valve]

I hate that meme

I do like song tho

[jade canopy]

And tbh that meme, if on topic, didn’t really serve the discussion, a huge image is always somewhat of an annoyance if not perticularly interesting, anyway I should stop mini modding

[opaque sigil]

I mean you're right

[mint valve]

what that mean

[shell yacht]

stop posting imgs

[opaque sigil]

Overuse of gifs is annoying

[mint valve]

true

no correct

[small goblet]

ban image sending just like on tga

[mint valve]

Its why we all hate fish

What if someone screenshots then shows SS news then they get banned for posting image.

[small goblet]

ofc, isn't that how it works

[jade canopy]

And tbh if someone that isn’t a tc member start posting some ss news, I wouldn’t be surprised is they end up getting banned

[lyric grotto]

my reason why silksong could come out on February 14th

one: teamcherry usually makes blogs or gives tiny bits of info every February

two: hollowknight was released during February of 2017 i think, and along with DLC aswell

three: the first teaser of silksong was during February on the first week of the month, a week later on valentines day, the trailer was announced, and this February it becomes officially 3 years since the announcement of the game, so gathering this info its most likely if the data leak is true

this February 7th we will get an official release trailer, and a week later we will get the game release which is on February 14th 2022, which is the official 3 years since the game was announced, and considering hollowknight took 3 years of development and knowing how TC basically has improved by soo much especially on their production, im sure silksong is probably sooner than we expected.

so yeas i have some hope on silksong coming out soon

[jade canopy]

Yeah sorry to seem like a party pooper but hum

[opaque sigil]

Way overestimating significance of anniversaries

[jade canopy]

^^ basically what I was going to say

[small goblet]

i really want to believe you but december made me a skeptic

[mint valve]

wrong answer. the correct answer is keep hopes low to be pleasently surprised when SS does come out

[lyric grotto]

maybe

[opaque sigil]

And TC has only done things in February twice, one of which was not really dependent on variable completion time

[mint valve]

and not be dissapointed

[opaque sigil]

HK release date and SS announcement, that's it

[jade canopy]

And if we ignore anniversary, February could still happen, as it is a pretty good time for ss to release, as it’s mostly devoided of new game (which usually come for December)

[lyric grotto]

but plausible

[opaque sigil]

Plausibility is a low bar

[mint valve]

yea. We don't have a lot to go of as a pattern

[lyric grotto]

i say february is the magic month for the game imho

[small goblet]

i think leth also said that he prefers early year releases for indie games (don't remember who exactly said it sry >_<)

[lyric grotto]

SO YES THERE IS A CHANCE

[opaque sigil]

Eh 2022 is kind of the exception to the rule since elden ring would eat up a lot of that

[mint valve]

the stars are aligning once again

[opaque sigil]

The reasons why Leth favored an early year release are not at all applicable

[lyric grotto]

and im havin hopes for it

ah i see

[small goblet]

did he also say reasons? you remember them?

[opaque sigil]

Big games tend to monopolize the public eye

[grim forge]

tbh i don't think they care too much about when other games release

[opaque sigil]

Nor do I but Leth's reasoning was invoked

[grim forge]

i don't think they'll release in february but that's not why

[opaque sigil]

Leth's reasoning was 100% in pertinence to other games

[lyric grotto]

i mean hollowknight released when other big games came around and yet it become a top it so i believe ss can as well

[mint valve]

yea true and not some game about a spider Woman

[lyric grotto]

ah yes

[opaque sigil]

Big games tend to launch and eat up the airwaves at end of year - I prefer early year launches for indies in general
Elden Ring will definitely eat up the airwaves in Feb

[lyric grotto]

me right now

[small goblet]

ss can just release before elden ring so er doesn't eat too much hype

[lyric grotto]

YES

[opaque sigil]

Nah

[grim forge]

well botw released a month after hk released and they didn't have near as much pull as they do now

[opaque sigil]

I know

[small goblet]

cursed

[mint valve]

hey tim have you ever posted here before?

[lyric grotto]

kinda

[opaque sigil]

I'm literally just explaining Leth's reasoning, not saying it's 100% correct

[grim forge]

oh mb

[lyric grotto]

true but then again i have alot of hope for this february!

[opaque sigil]

ok

[lyric grotto]

n o i c e

[grim forge]

just a week away

[opaque sigil]

Not much tangible foundation for that but you do you

[lyric grotto]

m a y b e

[opaque sigil]

ok

you could say that about pretty much any month

[grim forge]

who cares

[lyric grotto]

i do care because dang i have been waiting almost 3 years for silksong thats all eh

[lyric grotto]

wait ya have a youtube channel?

[mint valve]

I would post vid but people think its annoying so I wont

[grim forge]

what

[small goblet]

waiting for ss is so much better when you know hk for only a year

[mint valve]

no. Why you think that

[lyric grotto]

well i thought ya said ya make videos but my bad

anyways i have a smidge of hope next month, gonna try to keep my expectations low but im sure we will get something

[coarse leaf]

i only know it for 5 months and I'm desperate

[mint valve]

HK is a masterpiece

[digital glen]

You can safely say that

[lyric grotto]

dang

ive discovered hollowknight because of silksong back in 2019

played it in august of 2019 and dang it was amazing

then been waiting for silksong since then eh

[digital glen]

Ive been waiting for ss for not even half a year, played hk for the first time in september 2021

[coarse leaf]

Like I made 112% and path of pain and all that in October

[small goblet]

so cool to see that i'm not the only hk newcomer in #sk-discussion