sk-discussion

[coarse leaf]

Have it be forced on the player to memorize

do you think the orangey color is good for the circle

[trim estuary]

Realistic

[digital glen]

Make Hornet invisible, and she just appears briefly each 15 seconds

[opaque sigil]

No, since there are some areas that largely have that color

[serene chasm]

There better be an option to turn off the UI. I want some clean screenshots

[coarse leaf]

Make hornet completely invisible with the only tells on movement being dust particles on the floor and the squishiness of moss as you walk on it

[modest night]

i think there is

but i agree with the no ui for tools bit

i wouldn't mind remembering how many uses i have left provided i can check before a boss fight

[trim estuary]

First person silksong

[opaque sigil]

Imperfect HUD element > no HUD element at all

[coarse leaf]

No. no HUD at all!

[opaque sigil]

Tool count is important information midfight, it should be accessible

[modest night]

it sounds like it would be more distracting than anything

[coarse leaf]

you can have at most 2 tools equipped ?

A number is the best idea. The number should be red when it hits 0.

[opaque sigil]

Especially when a player is supposed to also be keeping track of silk and health, as well as learn boss patterns, forcing players to memorize their tool count is a bad move

[coarse leaf]

Window’s here!

[digital glen]

I dont think no tools UI is a good option

[modest night]

if they find a way to make the ui look good then sure but if it's that i'll gladly install a mod to get rid of it

[serene chasm]

an idea of what it would look like with a number instead of a circle

[opaque sigil]

As it is it doesn't look great but its functionality is more important

[coarse leaf]

much better

[modest night]

nah i like it when it looks good

[opaque sigil]

Too hard to read quickly

[coarse leaf]

Upvoted. Make it look slightly bigger, and it’s perfect.

[hallow pendant]

Mmmm idk im not sure abt a number, imo its better visual language

[modest night]

yeah

[coarse leaf]

I bet the circle HUD idea was Jack Vine’s!

Hmph!

[opaque sigil]

Wheel's fine, maybe make it thicker and white, possibly segment to reflect individual uses

[modest night]

a number takes too much time to process in a fight rather than a bar

[serene chasm]

here it is bigger

[modest night]

but honestly this looks much better

[hallow pendant]

Yeah, also u can confuse em if u look at em quickly

[opaque sigil]

Stylish impractical HUD is worse than a funky looking but practical one

[modest night]

yeah but what about good and stylish

i won't defend bad looking ui because they display the right things tbh

[opaque sigil]

As an alternative to nothing, I will.

[marsh ibex]

You display the right things tbh

[opaque sigil]

Bad looking UI is not preferable to good looking UI but functionality comes first

[frank acorn]

/nick zote enthusiast

[modest night]

i'm just saying it's kinda weird because the game has been in development for so long and there is no way this is still a placeholder if it's a core component of the gameplay

[cunning geode]

this is a really good point, its something me and my pal talk about in regards to the new Halo. They replaced the ammo count (which was a visual bar of bullet symbols) with just numbers

[serene chasm]

I dont think the circle is that functionable in the first place

[opaque sigil]

It could be better

[frank acorn]

oops the nick command didn't work

[digital glen]

I found hard to see with these kinda small circles EXACTLY how much is left

[modest night]

yeah you get an approximation

[digital glen]

But i dont think there will be tools that you can use more than 20+ times

[opaque sigil]

Approximation is good enough, especially if tools have fewer than, say, 10 uses

Then you can generally read it pretty easily

[modest night]

i feel like it should be the opposite, the more uses the less you care about being exact

[serene chasm]

another idea I have for the tool UI is instead of a plain circle, have the circle look more metallic like the rest of the UI.

[opaque sigil]

I mean that if a tool has six uses, you can tell exactly how many you have left because distinguishing between sixths is easy

[frank acorn]

why are we talking about ui? 🤨

[opaque sigil]

If it has a ton of uses then yeah exact knowledge is unnecessary

[modest night]

doesn't that make ruin the point of the ui being instantaneous to understand if you have to guess how to cut the circle tho

[opaque sigil]

Knowing whether you have ten or eleven uses left would rarely affect your action

[opaque sigil]

You don't have to guess

[coarse leaf]

I think they should make the tool UI a little bigger, have the bar be thicker and brighter, and a possible outline

[opaque sigil]

You know ahead of time how many uses tools have, you know what the interval will be

[serene chasm]

Why aren't you talking about UI

[marsh ibex]

sup sonia

[modest night]

hi

[opaque sigil]

The bar color is awful

[modest night]

yeah

[brittle garnet]

why not both a number and a bar?

[coarse leaf]

Complex imo

[modest night]

why didn't they pick a brighter version of hornet's reddish old pink?

[hallow pendant]

I think it can be confusing the first time, bc u dont know how much of the bar will disappear when you use it a single time

[opaque sigil]

That would be pretty bad too

[modest night]

what do you propose

[opaque sigil]

In terms of readability, white is a good option, and it would be consistent with the other HUD elements

So it wouldn't look out of place

[serene chasm]

The tool menu does tell you how many uses you have left

[modest night]

yeah

[hallow pendant]

O

[modest night]

i don't see the use for the ui if you know, i think i'll have an easier time keeping track myself than trying to guess with a circle

[opaque sigil]

Then ignore it

[modest night]

i can't

it's on the screen

and it looks bad

[opaque sigil]

[haughty brook]

Then send feedback to TC about it.

[hallow pendant]

Tbf who checks on the menu in the middle of a fight

[modest night]

not in the middle but before

then you count down

[opaque sigil]

Except that distracts from the actual fight

[hallow pendant]

Yeah, i can't, i will loose the count at some point

[coarse leaf]

I FIXED THE UI!

[modest night]

true true

[coarse leaf]

(I had to use a meme-maker to edit that picture)

[hallow pendant]

OMGG ITS PERFERCT!!!11

[native ivy]

silked spong

[modest night]

hmmm how could you represent it well anyway

[hallow pendant]

Maybe with dots?

Around the item? Idk i dont have idea

[modest night]

you would have to count the dots

disaster

[serene chasm]

I still think a number is a simplest solution

[native ivy]

counting
wow that is so hard

[coarse leaf]

What if it’s just a straight up bar? Like Specter of Torment’s Arcane Gauge, but near the tool

Hmm, would look ugly if there were two items equipped…

[serene chasm]

dots can become an issue of there is a lot of uses on a tool. especially on smaller screens like a switch

[modest night]

yeah honestly i wouldn't mind a number at all if it looks better than the circle

even if less practical

because it'll be less distracting

[empty trench]

I just bought silksong

[hallow pendant]

I prefer other thing but numbers

[native ivy]

silksong isnt out stgopit

[hallow pendant]

But also not the circle if possible

[empty trench]

Should I insert a rickroll

[coarse leaf]

What if the tool icon with nothing else is displayed, and the more you use it, a portion of the top of the tool has no glow, and then it would deplete the more you used it? When you have no more tools, the icon just becomes completely shadowed.

No bars, no gauge, no numbers. A complete visual display

[empty trench]

ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT TOOLS?

[hallow pendant]

Nope, ui

[opaque sigil]

That's a gauge, and it would only work if all tool icons took up the same amount of vertical space and were readable in that context

[empty trench]

I just read tool icon

[modest night]

honestly the ui popping onto the screen everytime i use a tool doesn't sound good

[coarse leaf]

Drat!

[native ivy]

LETS TALK ABOUT TOOLS

[empty trench]

If not, lets talk about tools

[hallow pendant]

I prefer having an UI

[native ivy]

all the graphics for the game are user interface

[coarse leaf]

I HAVE ANOTHER IDEA! Give me time…

[modest night]

no i mean there is a difference between making me look away from the action by making something pop up and me knowing i can check the information

but having that awful circle thing constantly on the screen would be far worse anyway

[hallow pendant]

Mmmm idk

[brittle garnet]

what if the red circle briefly flashed around Hornet when using the tool?

[opaque sigil]

ew

[hazy dome]

I hope Hornet will be as creative as us when we were kid with the tools

[modest night]

i don't get why they made the tools so small on the ui too, it's not like they need to show them entirely if they don't look the same

so they could just show half to make it look less awful

[coarse leaf]

Kinda like this?

[native ivy]

THE ORANGE ONE

[modest night]

i guess that would look awkward for other tools

[coarse leaf]

A circle gauge, but an actually visible one.

[modest night]

nah like the spears you can easily make it so that you don't have a tiny png of them on the ui

[native ivy]

the orange one

[dense cove]

i would sell my soul for silksong

[native ivy]

i would sell my soul for the orange one

[modest night]

honestly i don't see it being a placeholder even if it looks like it because of how long the games been in development

and how important that info is when you play

[hallow pendant]

Oh maybe making the item appear broken depending on the number of items that have used, for ex: when half of the tools have been used the item would appear kinda broken, but not much, then when u dont have much left (like 5-4) the item would appear almost broken and glowing a bit from time to time, and when you dont have more left it would appear blank
The problem with this is that the items icons are very tiny

[native ivy]

chad solution

[modest night]

it sounds cool but idk how practical it would be

[hallow pendant]

With the icon being that small i dont think it would be very practical

[native ivy]

make the icons take up 1/4 of the screen

[hallow pendant]

Epic

[modest night]

honestly getting rid of that orange would already do a lot for the icon

its bad

[hallow pendant]

Orang

[coarse leaf]

Let’s get Graig to recommend TC to change up the UI

[modest night]

graig can't even say if it's a placeholder or not anyway 😔

[coarse leaf]

Regardless of placeholder, advice is advice!

[modest night]

you think they just gave footage they recorded ages ago to edge and they have a better ui now?

[native ivy]

graigory

[hallow pendant]

gregor

[coarse leaf]

All I care for is increased bar thickness is color change - then I wouldn’t care THAT much about the UI

[modest night]

yeah same

i would be more than fine with the ui without the awful orange

[shell yacht]

i mean, compare original HK trailer to the game. yes

[shell yacht]

u are an awfull orange

[hallow pendant]

I dont remembre seein,g orang

[modest night]

you

[marsh ibex]

Sonia is not an awful orange

[modest night]

wtf

[marsh ibex]

Sonia is a good orange

[modest night]

joker redemption arc

[shell yacht]

joker mlp arc

freindship is magic etc etc

aka jojo kissass arc

[coarse leaf]

🍋 > 🍊

[modest night]

still the ui was the same in the old trailers water because the ui is very important

even if the game looked like shit

this type of tool ui after 3 years is very strange

[shell yacht]

i mean some pretty big things changed between trailer to game,and the timespan is almost as big

[modest night]

yeah sure but my point is the ui is probably one of the first thing they work on

when they come up with an idea

i really hope it just looks bad because they didn't think about making a tool ui before meeting edge and this is some last minute stuff

[hallow pendant]

Wait fr, what orange are u talking abt? Sorry i dont remembr

[modest night]

this salmon pink orange

[hallow pendant]

Oh

Oh that looks awful

[shell yacht]

on the gauge part?

[modest night]

yeah

[silver oak]

Salmon means pink-orange right?

[modest night]

yeah

but yeah making it white and wider would solve it

[silver oak]

Yeah having it white would connect it in with the rest of the ui

[hallow pendant]

Mmm ig its fine but i prefer other thing, if possible

[modest night]

there is no way they reviewed this and said yeah looks good

very readable

[silver oak]

It’s very small as well

[hallow pendant]

Yeah

[silver oak]

I wouldn’t mind if they made that line a little thicker

[hallow pendant]

Same, also different colour

[modest night]

yeah

the rest of the ui looks great so it's very unfortunate

[silver oak]

I think the difference in spiky things around the wheel are to designate the crest you’re using

[modest night]

yeah

[silver oak]

But idk what could cause the spiky things on the individual masks

[cunning geode]

im of the opinion that the tools part of the ui is unfinished

[silver oak]

Yeah that’s the thing a lot of people forget, the game’s still unfinished

[hallow pendant]

I hope

[modest night]

why publish it on a magazine then

[silver oak]

Everything is subject to change

[cunning geode]

well Sonia was talking about how it is odd if they put placeholder ui in the magazine

which is a good point

[hazy dome]

Knowing TC , they know what they doing

[cunning geode]

I just personally think they could have still put placeholder ui in the magazine anyways

[modest night]

i really hope you're right or i'll ask 56 to make me a mod to remove it 🥴

[cunning geode]

b'yeah

[modest night]

i wonder if the losing your money when you die bs will still be a thing in the final game

if that wasnt deconfirmed already

[cunning geode]

the whole rosary string thing

[hallow pendant]

If the UI is still the same in the game ill may make another one and shove it into the game

[cunning geode]

they talked about a method to saving money that won't be lost on death

[modest night]

ah man that sounds unfun

[coarse leaf]

Why publish a trailer of unfinished content then? The areas in the trailer look different compared to how they are now!

[cunning geode]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modest night]

me when ill have to farm after losing all my money to a boss

[digital glen]

I think you lose all rosaries upon death

[hallow pendant]

Me when im Trash at games

[modest night]

wow ok 😔

[digital glen]

But you can gather and create roseries strings wich dont

[cunning geode]

Sonia I can just venmo my rosaries to you

[hallow pendant]

Didn't even finish HK

[digital glen]

So if you dont run with thousands of rosaries you should be ok

Just break the rosaries strings when you wanna buy something

[modest night]

stuff that encourages farming doesn't sound good, hopefully rosary strings are easy to make

[brittle garnet]

what if you lose like, only 50% of your money, or something?

[digital glen]

I think its 20 roseries to create a string of 100

[cunning geode]

Hollow Knight's big world made farming avoidable most of the time because staying on the move allowed you to find more money anyways

[modest night]

that would be better but still fucked up when you meet a boss

[hazy dome]

Silksong is just Terraria Otherworld Reincarnate

[modest night]

then yeah that seems fine, just sounds like useless inventory management then

if there is a cap on how many rosary strings you can hold at a time that would be kinda sad 🥴

[digital glen]

I hope not

[cunning geode]

perhaps you can only put it on one string at a time, but just have a really long string if you want

so you can still only break it once

who knows though

[digital glen]

I hope its not like darksouls where you need to break the strings one by one

[opaque sigil]

Losing all rosaries permanently on death would be bad design

[modest night]

yeah

and making you create strings all the time sounds tedious

[opaque sigil]

Even if it can be counteracted by the strings that would be extremely tedious and practically mandate the practice

Because if you don't constantly string up rosaries, any new boss would likely cost you all of them

Rosary strings make more sense as an optional method of extra security than as a replacement for the HK geo recollection

[modest night]

honestly the dark souls ish system hk had worked fine

[serene chasm]

what is the topic about now?

[digital glen]

Ooh i dont think so

[brittle garnet]

I think it's likely that the system will remain the same as in HK

but with Rosary Strings on top

[modest night]

hopefully

you think they saw too many people complaining about losing geo 🥴

[brittle garnet]

so you either have the risk of losing your money forever at the reward of getting it back for free
or you have a guaranteed method but with a cost

[serene chasm]

Ok. So here is how I think the money/death systems will work in SS.

Instead of getting most money from killing enemies, you will get it from finding certain items in the world (Like the mossberry) that you will then sell in a shop, when you get into town. Then you can string those rosaries up, and be on your merry way to explore more. Obviously you will get rosaries are well, but those would be more of a bonus to not dying

[digital glen]

The information about losing rosaries upon death comes from the nintendo treehouse from 2019

[opaque sigil]

I'm not a huge fan of the shade system but it's definitely better than instant rosary loss

[digital glen]

Theres a chance they could have changed, but i found hard

[opaque sigil]

The demo was early in development and rosaries served no purpose there anyways

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, and also the addendum from EDGE is rather vague
there's still the point of that broken spool we saw in one of the GIFs
it seems like the system will remain the same as in HK

[chilly nexus]

I'm glad! ye it's intended to just be a bit of fun

[limpid plover]

Personally I hate the shade system. This platforming section is annoying enough I don't need to deal with this shade as well.

[silver oak]

I think it will be like reusable relics, where non-strung money is stored where you died in the cocoon but you keep the strings (even though they’re inaccessible if you’re not at a bench or shop or something)

[digital glen]

I think hk geo system could be way better, but dont know if roseries is the right way

[uncut canyon]

It could be similar to sekiro where you lose half your money on death.

[opaque sigil]

Broken spools are the weird thing, since reducing silk meter beyond base length doesn't really work afawk

Binding would be impossible

[opaque sigil]

Strings can probably be broken at any time, no reason to restrict that

[serene chasm]

Another thing that this system will help with is exploring.

In HK, if you went somewhere you werent ready for, and then died. You lost everything. Unless you can get back, but that might be hard.

On the other hand, In SS, if you die, you have a bunch of other options to get your money back.

[limpid plover]

I don't understand the point of that system. It feels so random like some intern at fromsoft just came up with it at the last minute.

[silver oak]

Maybe binding only restores 2 masks instead of 3

[coarse leaf]

that might end up being an advantage though

[digital glen]

I absolutaly forgot about broken spools

[grim forge]

After playing sekiro which has a somewhat similar currency system I'm not sure how I feel about the system they're using in Silksong

[opaque sigil]

We don't know about the system they're using in silksong

[digital glen]

I forgot how to write correctly also

[grim forge]

Didn't they say how beads work?

[opaque sigil]

No

[grim forge]

Huh

[opaque sigil]

They have never once said or indicated that rosaries cannot be recovered

[grim forge]

What am I confusing this with

[coarse leaf]

wait, so what are the strings for?

[serene chasm]

Ive never played. Why dod you feel that way?

[opaque sigil]

Extra security if you're anxious about your rosaries

It would be terrible design to make those the sole means of rosary recovery

[coarse leaf]

ah right yh

[grim forge]

You lose half of your total currency whenever you die but can find and purchase sacks of said currency that you can use when you need, and I found the system to be very frustrating half the time especially when it came to bosses since you will most likely fight them more than once, slowly losing all the money you've built up

[digital glen]

Okay forget rosaries, lets talk about Megamind

[true vine]

I don't like this chat anymore

[analog forge]

I never did

[chilly nexus]

omg we're on the permanently lose a portion of your currency bit again 👀 my two cents:
Perma loss can work because then you don't have to go down the same path to your shade/egg to retrieve things. You're no longer punished post-punishment. The run back always felt necessary and never all that fun (by halfway through the game i'd ignore it). Also: Sekiro has a very similar system to what we've seen in SS so far. That's the argument. Perma-loss does work. If you haven't played Sekiro, a game with a well-implemented perma-loss system, don't knock it before you try it.

Points against HK's shade system (also speaking from experience): I hated it. You still lose the currency but have to go out of your way on the same path to retrieve it. You're punished for wanting to maybe do something else after death instead. Say you just made it pretty deep down a one way-ish path like the abyss, got everything you needed on that trip, died, and respawned in CoT. You have no reason to return to the abyss and make your way out of it except to retrieve your currency. I'd rather just explore a new area. Caveat: jiji or whatever.

Points for SS's cocoon system: If returning to the cocoon for rosary retrieval will be a mechanic, make the cocoon feel rewarding. Make it give us enough strength to progress past whatever dead end we hit. Just make it feel more like a reward and less like a chore. If there was no currency retrieval and it was just a "reward" cocoon like with the silk return, that'd be ideal, but rosary strings exist, so some currency loss must exist.

Personally, my preferred gameplay loop involves not requiring you go back to your cocoon to retrieve all your lost currency. Just make us lose a portion of it on death and create a fleshed out currency system like in Sekrio, and save the cocoon as a strictly "rewarding" thing.

[analog forge]

I hate you all in the best way possible

[coarse leaf]

yh, i guess they might do smthn like that, lose a portion of ur rosaries instead of all of them if they're not strung

[chilly nexus]

#wall #sk-discussion

[silver oak]

I’m happy for you
Or sorry that happened

[opaque sigil]

Better to just not make you lose rosaries in the first place than force you to lose them all if you die

[chilly nexus]

ye but rosary strings and rosary stringers exist so we know that's not happening

[serene chasm]

Sounds kinda like the system they had in Shovel Knight. I can understand why that would be annoying. At least in SS (My headcannon version) you would only lose the loose rosaries once, since the rest are strung up, or in asset form

[grim forge]

Having tried sekiro and playing the game fully I think the souls way of going back is a lot less frustrating

[chilly nexus]

I respectfully have the opposite opinion

I never felt like I was short on gold

would just buy sacks and items wherever possible and those opportunities to buy felt well-placed

[opaque sigil]

That would be tedious as hell and discourage exploration greatly

[grim forge]

I would build up mass amounts on my way to bosses and just slowly watch my stocks wittle away as a kept trying 🥴

[opaque sigil]

You would not be able to explore in good conscience with anything more than a pitiful quantity of money

[chilly nexus]

whyyy buy items as you go guy

[opaque sigil]

Items cost more than a handful of geo, prices probably won't be so small in SS

[chilly nexus]

Sekiro was like the first game i didn't hate myself for using consumables in

[grim forge]

Same

[chilly nexus]

their currency and item system was incredibly well designed

[digital glen]

The thing is, Hollow Knight isnt Dark Souls, in souls youre consistantly using soul to upgrade, while hk you have to carry way more money, increasing the chance of losing it all

[opaque sigil]

If SS does total currency wipe I'm just going to save/quit when I fall to one mask because that's just bullshit

[digital glen]

Besides the problem of having to go back to you shade

[grim forge]

Just the idea of losing all rosaries upon death sounds really frustrating

Especially considering how trial and error these games tend to be

[chilly nexus]

It will 100% not be "lose 100% of rosaries on death"

[opaque sigil]

Shade system was bad but not having any way to recover geo would have been much worse

[digital glen]

And Lemm isnt accesable at the beggining

[grim forge]

I really hope so 🥴

[digital glen]

We dont know

[coarse leaf]

how would they tie in losing a portion of rosaries to the lore though, i guess it could just be a mechanic, but wouldn't rly make sense

[opaque sigil]

Respawn probably won't be canon anyways so it's not a concern

[grim forge]

Hornet tripped when she died and half of her money spilt out of her sack

[chilly nexus]

I bet you all my rosaries

[digital glen]

Why those hopers from kingdoms edge are holding geo in the first place

[chilly nexus]

they get stuck between their densely packed legs

[digital glen]

In ss, not all enemies will hold currency

[grim forge]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

Well they all have shell shards

[coarse leaf]

is that why they jump, not walk?

[digital glen]

And i think the true source of rosaries that you will get are rosaries and maybe selleble itens

[chilly nexus]

ya yeet

[coarse leaf]

do we know of any sellable items yet?

[grim forge]

This doesn't really make sense because if you don't lose any rosaries upon death then strings would be kinda pointless since you can just get them all back, and then it just seems more like the relic system in hollow knight

[opaque sigil]

no

[opaque sigil]

You can get them all back provided you reach the cocoon

Which may or may not be something you anticipate being able to do in all circumstances

[grim forge]

Then that's just the shade system from hk

There are no differences at that point

[opaque sigil]

Yes, but with the ability to reduce the cost of failure

[digital glen]

Wasnt only silk from the cacoon?

[grim forge]

Which is the use that relics had

[opaque sigil]

It's like HK but if you could buy relics

[grim forge]

Rosary strings don't make sense as a mechanic unless you lose rosaries permanently upon death

[digital glen]

Also shade holding your geo is funny

[opaque sigil]

Not true

[grim forge]

Because they wouldn't make distinction between them unless they're different

[opaque sigil]

They are. You have to recover rosaries, you don't have to recover rosary strings

[grim forge]

Which are just relics but you can purchase them

[serene chasm]

You still recover rosaries, just not in the same way.

[opaque sigil]

So you can prepare for the possibility of failure to recover rosaries

[grim forge]

The point of spending money to tie rosaries for extra cost just seems like more work for less incentive compared to relics

[opaque sigil]

More similar to millibelle's bank

[grim forge]

You are actively losing money by stringing your rosaries

[silver oak]

Damn, will silksong be like, really complicated?

[opaque sigil]

You can also find rosary strings in the environment

[grim forge]

Like relics

[opaque sigil]

It's both relics and a banking system

[grim forge]

Which asks why you would ever string your rosaries since you are having a net loss

[opaque sigil]

banking

[grim forge]

We don't know if there's gonna be a back

[digital glen]

Tammo, i dont think you can get your Rosaries back from the cacoon, can you?

[chilly nexus]

I've had this conversation before so won't re-jump in, but I share the same views as Echo

[opaque sigil]

The strings are the bank

You string rosaries so that you can't mess up and lose the rosaries if you die twice

[grim forge]

Yeah but it's not a one time purchase like millibelle

You lose money everytime

[opaque sigil]

Yes, it works a bit differently

But millibelle also had a deposit limit and she ran away

[grim forge]

There is little to no incentive to string rosaries unless you cannot recover them when you die

[chilly nexus]

analgous to the pouches in Sekrio almost right 😉

[opaque sigil]

Or you anticipate the possibility of not being able to recover them

Which is pretty reasonable

[digital glen]

But you can recover them?

[chrome wave]

Its like crafting a kings idol for the price of 750 geo

[grim forge]

If you lose your rosaries you won't have any money to string them up which means you have to go recover them

[opaque sigil]

It's a net loss in terms of pure money, but it's money that you cannot lose

[chrome wave]

And LOSING all your geo on death with no chance of recovery

[opaque sigil]

You can't string up 0 rosaries, yes

[grim forge]

Yeah so you'll have to recover the ones you lost if you want to string them up

[opaque sigil]

You would, yes

But you would string up rosaries proactively

[grim forge]

But at that point why string them up of you can confidently get them back in the first place

[opaque sigil]

You can't be certain of your ability to recover them

[coarse leaf]

i feel like most players would just not string them though, if ur only stringing a portion, you'd basically be resigning urself to lose the rest, so u'd either string all of them or none, and most people would probably pick none

[chilly nexus]

so you can ignore the cocoon? a gameplay mechanic? added just for flavour?

[grim forge]

This system only makes sense with permanent rosary loss

[opaque sigil]

That's fine, you don't have to do it. It's extra security

[digital glen]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

You wouldn't string up all rosaries

[chilly nexus]

I don't think things should be extra in a game

then it gets bloated

[digital glen]

I mean, not only make sense, but more sense

[opaque sigil]

Stringing up all rosaries would be basically mandatory if you can't recover them, which is why that would be a garbage system

It would be tedious

[coarse leaf]

it seems like a pretty important mechanic to just be overlooked by the majority of players though, i reckon there would have to be some loss of rosaries when u die

[grim forge]

Exactly which is why I'm worried because I'm 99% sure that's the system they're using 🥴

[opaque sigil]

Why assume they're going with the worst system possible

[chilly nexus]

Let's just have faith in TC they will not ostrasize their playerbase

[digital glen]

We still need to see in action

[chilly nexus]

and if they do, well RIP SS for indie GotY

[grim forge]

Because that's what they were talking about In the treehouse Livestream

[digital glen]

We dont know how many strings has, how much will cost, bench placement

[opaque sigil]

That was a demo, and the hosts probably didn't have much inside info

[grim forge]

They called attention to stringing them because you lose them upon death

[digital glen]

There are way to many variants to say if its good or not

[opaque sigil]

They didn't specify that you lose them after one death

[grim forge]

Do they die I'm that demo to lace?

[twilit grotto]

So rosary strings are basically reverse relics?

[digital glen]

But i have to say that the concept is scary

[grim forge]

It's like relics but you pay for them

[digital glen]

Nintendo Treehouse no

[coarse leaf]

that could probably be inferred, if it was 2 deaths no-one would lose anything

[opaque sigil]

That's not true

[grim forge]

Is there any gameplay out there where someone dies?

[digital glen]

But there is footage of people dying on Lace as well in Moss Mother

[opaque sigil]

If you died in the course of reaching a location, trying to reach that location again (and with a debuff) could plausibly kill you

[digital glen]

There is, i just dont know where to find exactaly

[opaque sigil]

People lost geo in HK

The two death system does not make it hard to lose money, especially for newer players

[grim forge]

You don't get a debuff in Silksong

[chilly nexus]

I think SS and Sekiro will have a similar rosary/gold and tool/prosthetics (and by extension shell-shard/prayer-emplem) systems

[opaque sigil]

Broken spool

[grim forge]

Did they show that?

[chilly nexus]

I think they're removing the "broken on death" mechanic

[grim forge]

Ah okay

[chilly nexus]

that was not a mechanic that felt good. somehting else probably breaks the spool

I forgot about the broken soul thingy with the shade... that makes me hate it even more...

[grim forge]

Alright I'm looking at ign gameplay to see if they die

[coarse leaf]

yh, i got confused i thought u meant 2 deaths after already dying once

[chilly nexus]

i wouldn't take the demo for too much

[opaque sigil]

Demo is not a reliable indicator of how the system works

[twilit grotto]

There’s more gameplay footage?

[grim forge]

That argument makes no sense because you're just using it as a shield for your argument

[chilly nexus]

I do think/hope though that they remove the broken-on-death mechanic

[digital glen]

IGN jornalists are too good to die

[chilly nexus]

literally more garbo than currency retrieval

[grim forge]

They died

[opaque sigil]

Demo was super early in development, recovery could not have been implemented yet

[grim forge]

Let's see if they get rosaries back from the cocoon

They did not get rosaries back

[opaque sigil]

If the demo didn't have crests but had tools, having rosaries without the recovery is more than reasonable

You could not

Rosaries in the demo served no purpose

[grim forge]

Everything adds up to this being the system they use considering there is gameplay of it, and they call attention to not losing rosaries once they're stringed.

And arguing that it's a demo is a copout and frankly boring

[opaque sigil]

It's true

[grim forge]

But you're cherry picking that mechanic specifically because you don't like it

[random fox]

Hallaw

[chilly nexus]

Let's have faith TC will design a system well and make it so that it feels good but please TC no broken-on-death-until-XYZ mechanics

[opaque sigil]

No, everything in the demo is subject to change

[grim forge]

Yeah but I doubt something they directly address is gonna change

[opaque sigil]

This one thing probably did change because it's a stupid, stupid mechanic to have in a game where recovery would actually matter, and I'm assuming TC isn't stupid

[grim forge]

It's like changing the healing system

[opaque sigil]

Healing system is subject to change too, but there aren't clear issues with it

[digital glen]

Echo, if you want, theres a little bit of death footage in the mossbag video from the e3 demo, at the section "dying in ss"

[random fox]

I like the ss healing system, tho i hope they make staggers heppen way less

[opaque sigil]

And there's a difference between modification and implementation

[grim forge]

You're argument is that you dislike this system and are saying that team cherry is not having the possibility of making mistakes

[chilly nexus]

That's true. in the treehouse and edge interviews they exxplicitely emphasize rosary strings preventing a loss of currency on death, and the cocoon giving you an extra bit of silk

[digital glen]

But since you cant see the rosaries, its no very easy to say or not

[chilly nexus]

They never alluded to death/currency in any other way

[opaque sigil]

There's a possibility, sure, but it's unlikely since TC is not a bunch of idiots

[grim forge]

I saw ign gameplay that was much clearer

[chilly nexus]

which, fair, they could be keeping secret, but still

[grim forge]

Well I don't think from software is a bunch of idiots but they still implemented a very similar system

[opaque sigil]

And between their being a bunch of idiots or their simply not having implemented a system in the demo which would have served no purpose anyways, I'm leaning towards the latter

[chilly nexus]

And imo, it was fantastic! Sekrio's economy was the best in any soulsborne game i've played

[grim forge]

Seems less likely

[random fox]

Can someone tell me what this is about

[chilly nexus]

easily the most immersive

[chilly nexus]

cocoon giving you back rosaries on death vs perma-loss of some of your rosaries

[twilit grotto]

whether or not death should give you debuffs when you respawn

[chilly nexus]

Is this on the ss-disc meme graph?

[primal oriole]

it makes no sense for rosaries to be lost on death, because then there's literally no reason whatsoever at any point not to string them up

[grim forge]

And also you say that team cherry aren't going to implement mechanics you think are bad yet they had the shade system which you have stayed many times you think is bad

[random fox]

Id prefer it to be an optional thing, like no reduced soul meter, but instead u lose some of ur currency permanently, cuz lategame it just becomes annoying to get it

[opaque sigil]

Shade system is not ideal but it is nowhere near as blatantly awful

[grim forge]

So I don't see how it's less likely for them to implement a system you also dislike

[primal oriole]

because no matter what happens you are going to die, that's how the game works

[chilly nexus]

i feel the same

[grim forge]

That isn't really an argument because you're using personal preference to dictate what mechanics team cherry do and don't think are good

[twilit grotto]

It wouldn't matter much for the lost currency if items didn't cost that much to begin with.

[primal oriole]

it just serves to be an inconvenience

[opaque sigil]

Not really, more how the mechanic would affect gameplay

[random fox]

Depends on how much u lose then

[chilly nexus]

that's all designable and part of game balance. not something that has to go poorly

[opaque sigil]

If you lose all rosaries on death that aren't strung permanently, you would have to constantly be stringing them up

That means no leaving the vicinity of merchants/holy benches

[grim forge]

And considering that it made it into a from software game with a much larger team and more vigorous playtesting it's not crazy for team cherry to use this mechanic especially when there's already gameplay of it being used

[chilly nexus]

and the game won GotY woo

[opaque sigil]

I don't care about fromsoftware

[digital glen]

Yeah thats sound pretty bad

[primal oriole]

wait no there isn't lmao

[twilit grotto]

I'd imagine getting a bunch of rosaries and spending 3 minutes on a bench stringing them up to be a little annoying.

[grim forge]

Did you play sekiro?

[opaque sigil]

Different games, different playstyles, different situation

[random fox]

Which game

[primal oriole]

we haven't seen gameplay of the rosary system, we've seen gameplay of rosaries going into the inventory

[chilly nexus]

sekiro

[twilit grotto]

Then again though, I bought all the eggs from Tuk in my first run

[primal oriole]

we haven't seen strings be used, or them being used to buy things

[random fox]

Ahh, the game that has been sitting in my steam library for 7 months and 0 seconds played since my pc broke..

[grim forge]

Igns gameplay shows them picking up rosaries, dying, breaking the cocoon and not recovering anything

[chilly nexus]

it's flippin' fantastic

i wish you and your pc a speedy recovery

[grim forge]

And for strings all we have to go off is what the treehouse people talked about

[random fox]

Yeah im getting a pc soon and im so excited to play it

The combat looks like the most satisfying thing ever

[grim forge]

It's really good

[olive bobcat]

And the Edge people, who went more in depth on what TC talked about

[random fox]

Just love the sound of blades clashing

[high hedge]

I wonder if they’re switching over to a banking system

[grim forge]

OH YEAH

I forgot about edge 🥴

[high hedge]

Maybe multiple banks like benches

[trim estuary]

Should not
Many people hated it in HK

[coarse leaf]

i'm hoping that when you break a rosary string, you at least get to keep the string

[chilly nexus]

I can't remember any aspects I didn't enjoy tbh. Everything felt super satisfyinng, even parts that felt like me "cheesing" the game were just me being a true shinobi 🥷

[grim forge]

So yeah arguing that this system isn't going to be the one the use is downright being naive

[primal oriole]

this system is just an inconvenice

[random fox]

Going off of steam reviews, litteraly 100% of the bad reviews were ds fans who were mad that its not the same dodge system so i think ill love it

[grim forge]

I agree

[primal oriole]

it might be what happens, but it doesn't enhance gameplay at all

[grim forge]

That's what I'm saying

[primal oriole]

it's exactly the same as not losing rosaries on death, except you have to spend 5 minutes getting to a holy bench

[worldly anvil]

New Silksong just dropped

[chilly nexus]

yeah dodging is not the way to go a lot of the time :p there's one boss that will force you to re-learn DS-dodging as soon as the game knocks it out of you though

[random fox]

Now on the silksong thing, i think that if they made u lose soulmeter on death then that would be the exact oposite of what they shud do imo

[random fox]

Never liked dodging so im excited

[chilly nexus]

the broken soulmeter was literally terrible

[grim forge]

They die in the gameplay and there was no penalty but there's screenshots of an altered spool so we'll see

[chilly nexus]

like sometimes I'd be like "forget it" and re-die somewhere convenient to spawn the shade close to me so i can repair the meter

[primal oriole]

we've seen that's a thing in edge (probably)

[coarse leaf]

if the altered spool was from edge, i think it was because of a different crest being equipped (i can't remember)

[high hedge]

Just don’t die. EZ

[random fox]

Broken soulmeter is an absolute inconvinience imo, it just makes everything more annoying, if they made u just lose ur money then that would still put pressure on u which is nice, but they would have to find a way to make it so u cant just avoid all combat since there will def be ppl who wont want any risk

[primal oriole]

I mean, you have to do bosses

I don't really see the issue with being able to run past

[random fox]

Yeah ig its a smaller issue with metroidvanias then it would be with open world games

Well then i wouldnt mind the current system but without soulmeter thing

[chilly nexus]

oh! if you can, play sekiro on an OLED or mini-LED monitor. I played on LCD and it felt washed out at times

[random fox]

Havent even gotten a monitor yet 🥶

[chilly nexus]

i just have a laptop

[random fox]

Tho i wont go oled most likely

[chilly nexus]

if the new macbook pros were windows devices they'd be perfect

mini-led, powerful, power-efficient

[random fox]

Mac🥶

[chilly nexus]

i know

[random fox]

Why cant 2022 come faster

[trim estuary]

Mac feels nicer and simpler but windows is still superior

[chilly nexus]

I had a macbook pro for 8 years they're fantastic machines ye. I just wish they had the same gaming library

[trim estuary]

Your time is running out. Possibilities are receding, futures crumbling. Do you understand?

[random fox]

Yeah but 2022 got nice games

[trim estuary]

true true

[chilly nexus]

Elden Ring in feb 👯

[random fox]

God of war january elden ring february, pretty neat

[trim estuary]

No it got delayed again

[chilly nexus]

wait fr

[random fox]

No

[trim estuary]

||i love spreading misinformation on the internet||

[chilly nexus]

phew

[random fox]

I think fromsoft actualy confiremed that there wont be delays but that might be wrong

Cant wait

Tho ima be fuming if the general from the trailer isnt a boss

He looks insane

[grim forge]

I would die

[random fox]

Theres only abit over 2 months left 🥶

[icy frost]

isnt it coming in february

[random fox]

Yes

February 27th i think?

[icy frost]

is it coming on switch

or on pc first

[random fox]

No

Pc ps4 and ps5

Doubt they will do switch port

[icy frost]

what 💀 😭 😔

[random fox]

Time to switch to steamdeck

[brittle garnet]

hardware limitations and such, I'm imagining

[icy frost]

im going to destroy team cherry, become CEO, then relese it on switch

ez

[random fox]

We are talking about elden ring

[icy frost]

what

[random fox]

Yeah . .

[grim forge]

Finally

[icy frost]

this is #sk-discussion...

[random fox]

Not anymore

[grim forge]

No it's #tga-discussion

[coarse leaf]

Oh yeah, Elden Ring lore got leaked

[random fox]

Dont spoil

[grim forge]

If I get spoiled I will be annoyed

[icy frost]

wha- huh why

[coarse leaf]

I literally don't know anything about Elden Ring

[icy frost]

WHY QAR E MWHE TALKING ABOUT ELDEN RING

[random fox]

I saw smth about elden ring leaks on google fy page and didnt even read anything, im tryna go in blind

[coarse leaf]

Uh, basically, uhhh, every Elden Ring dialogue got leaked and more things

[random fox]

Unfortunate

Why ppl even leak stuff, the game is coming so soon

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, like, it's just sad that it got leaked 3 months before releasing

[trim estuary]

Big dragon kill things

[random fox]

.

[trim estuary]

Clout

[trim estuary]

Wait no that’s Skyrim

[random fox]

Good

[grim forge]

Run into the movie theater and tell everyone iron man dies for epic clout

[random fox]

I might have to hire a profesional dream stan to doxx u if u spoil

[trim estuary]

Step 2: get beat to death outside the movie theater

Step 3: The Endgame of EVO incident

[grim forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[coarse leaf]

Well, uh, you know, some people wants to play the game early and tries to do things like that, etc

[random fox]

But ur not even playing it, ur doing the oposite, ur ruining the actual game expirience for u

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, but people still does that anyways

[random fox]

Unfortunate

[coarse leaf]

Bcz it's important to them to know everything before other people does

Just so that they can ruin everyone's experience

[random fox]

Can someone help me im stuck watching league of legends lore videos

[grim forge]

My friend spoils every movie he wants to see before he watches it so I guess some people are just into that 🥴

[random fox]

My friend spoils every anime, its as if he binges 40 episodes a day just so he can spoil

Mf read onepunch manga and speedran spoiling it for me

[grim forge]

[coarse leaf]

That's why you shouldn't have friends

[brittle garnet]

go to the channel so you can see which ones you haven't watched yet

[coarse leaf]

At least my friends doesn't spoil stuff for me, so that's good

[random fox]

I watched all 2 times

[brittle garnet]

damn

[random fox]

Its good tho

Riot should drop the game and just work on more series honestly

[brittle garnet]

fr fr

League of legends roguelike when?

[coarse leaf]

Hollow Knight roguelike when?

Actually, what about Hollow Knight RPG?

[random fox]

No

[vagrant umbra]

Aren’t MOBA’s technically a rogue-like? Except for the procedurally generated terrain.

Anyone here got some embarrassing ignorance they had about the games? I for one had a good year of owning Hollow Knight and still thought Hallownest was called Hollownest.

[random fox]

I didnt know u have to buy games so for years i had pirated games without knowing its ilegal, i think that was rather ignorant

[vagrant umbra]

This but with anime, I thought that was just how you watched the stuff.

[wheat sail]

it wouldnt spread as much if you had to buy it off of some japanese site

[random fox]

Eh i still watch anime on ilegal sites, cant with the dogshit 2min ads every 5 min

They litteraly make a 20 min episode 30 min cuz shitty ads

[vagrant umbra]

Yeah, the difference is I know it’s not very legal now.

Yet still… use them

[wheat sail]

cause it makes no difference, the weebs just buy some bad funkopops and posters and easy money

[random fox]

I wouldnt mind if it was one 30sec ad every episode but these sites put atleast 4 full comercial breaks per episode

[wheat sail]

its the merch

[random fox]

Funkopops 🥶

[vagrant umbra]

Cable providers had no idea they had the best deal for selling ad slots.

[random fox]

Tbh i respect it, funko pops arent my thing but id def colect more detailed figurines or even statues if they didnt cost a leg

[vagrant umbra]

I don’t buy ‘em, but the idea that there is a funko of x character feels a bit nice.

[wheat sail]

I might look to get some posters to customize my room a bit (not weeb stuff tho)

[random fox]

But if u collect "fine" art then ur a dumbass, paying tousands for 5 drops of pain is stupid

[vagrant umbra]

Get a space themed room posters. Might make sleeping easier.

[wheat sail]

I already sleep like a baby

[random fox]

Then they say stupid shit like "these strokes show how the artist was feeling at the moment and where his hand was" like bruh?

[wheat sail]

lol

[vagrant umbra]

So…what’s the deal with tools? Huh?

[random fox]

Olots

[wheat sail]

hopefully the tools are balanced so they arent mostly useless

[vagrant umbra]

Personally, if they are anything like charms. I want the late game ones to be slightly OP, so that none of them will sit in my inventory forever LIFEBLOOD CHARMS

[analog forge]

No. No permadeath, no randomness

[vagrant umbra]

I mean each game, like new players, building different items, etc

[wheat sail]

Fun fact: league creators made the genre called "MOBAs", before that the genre of games was called "DoTA-likes" because of the original Dota game

personally moba is kinda stupid cause multiplayer online battle arena could be any multiplayer pvp game?

[vagrant umbra]

I mean, would you call Minecraft a MMORPG?

[wheat sail]

No and still

The league of legends guy 'Pendragon' tried to kill dota early on to get people to move to league pretty malicious

[vagrant umbra]

Man, I just released how much I start replies with I mean

I feel embarrassed

[wheat sail]

yeah you dont have to

Not like we're talking irl lol

[analog forge]

Thats all multiplayer in existence

Not roguelike

[vagrant umbra]

Fair enough

[chilly nexus]

This is my cordial request for invitation to your server

[serene chasm]

Send me an invite as well

[wheat sail]

whats roc?

[serene chasm]

graig's game

[hollow sedge]

the music in deep docks is so eerie

[young saffron]

owo

[rigid isle]

GUYS LOOK ZOTE SOAP

[serene chasm]

who

[rigid isle]

who?

[young saffron]

who is zote?

[serene chasm]

I agree. Same subtle vibe as deepnest\

[rigid isle]

are you new to the game?

[young saffron]

nah im messing

[rigid isle]

I was so confused for a second there

[serene chasm]

zote isnt real. You must be misremembering

Ok. Give me a number between 1-15 and 1-4

[young saffron]

7 and 3

[wheat sail]

2 2

[rigid isle]

impossible

[young saffron]

wha

[cerulean sable]

i wish the attacks had frames to show its direction

[young saffron]

hornet without her cloth? (cape?) looks scary af

[cerulean sable]

afaik its just an instant slash right?

[serene chasm]

The 7 is for the screenshot and the 3 was the section of it

[young saffron]

oh

[tawdry valley]

Literally just a stickbug

[young saffron]

yes

[rigid isle]

imagine the knight without the cloak

[tardy raft]

Love that art

[young saffron]

[coarse leaf]

I need a giant portrait of this hung on my wall

[wanton crest]

delete that

[tawdry valley]

What’s creepy is the floating head thing

Looks like EVE from wall-E

[rigid isle]

make a poster of this and sell it

[wheat sail]

looks so weird put the cloth back on

[coarse leaf]

Actually true when you think about it

Hornet always has her… robe cape skirt dress thing on

Neck is always hidden! Who knows, maybe her neck is actually retractable and extendable, turning her into a pole?

[hollow sedge]

remove this from my brain please

[coarse leaf]

Hornet with an extended head could trick the Knight into thinking that she’s Winged Nosk, except that she isn’t actually a doppelgänger of Hornet and is ACTUALLY the REAL Hornet scaring the Knight away by making it think that she is an impostor!

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-laugh-evil-villain-skeletor-gif-4145131

[cerulean sable]

hitbox moment

bet ur ass the new downslash we saw in the magazine is gonna be the default slash

and my personal headcanon for it is that they had some range issues/hitbox consistent issues so theyd decide to do into a wder looking down slash

thats just a 50/50 guess

my other side is still telling me that its gonna be crest/item modifier

[serene chasm]

This one, right?

[cerulean sable]

yeeeup

so my two halves has this theory + be more inline with the original pogo visuals and range

and the other half is this is gonna be a item upgrade and the precise stab is gonna be the same as it was

yrue

[serene chasm]

Its possible that they changed it. guess we will have to wait and see.
Also what part of the demo was the miss from

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/YNob8TV-IqY?t=1028

i also think well see some shard system repairing overhaul at release

instead of the automatic on bench sit thing

[serene chasm]

That doesnt look like a hitbox miss and more like Lace just blocked badly

[south quartz]

So has there been any info since the game award happened?

[coarse leaf]

I love the fact that Lace stands still and just laughs at Hornet dying. It’s going to be so fucking cool if they incorporate shit that happens when you die instead of the boss mindlessly attacking as if you never died at all

[cerulean sable]

the clink still procced despite how far Hornet was

i think lace's block hitbox is just huge af

unless the CLINK sfx is actually part of her by default when she blocks

[brittle garnet]

that clink just happens whenever Lace initiates the parry, doesn't it?

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats my other guess

[brittle garnet]

Like every other boss that parries, Hornet and THK do that too

[cerulean sable]

is it tho? i dont remember THK clinking whenever he parries

[brittle garnet]

the parry does a clink as a tell for the player

[cerulean sable]

also it just sounds weird, im just used to the clink sound playing when you actually hit someone

feels weird man but ok

[brittle garnet]

it does, but that's a second clink

[wanton crest]

yeah they clink once before you hit the parry

[cerulean sable]

yeah im more used to the latter

well i kinda hope they redo it from a clink to a schwing tbh

[brittle garnet]

it's done so that it's clear when the boss does a parry

[cerulean sable]

i keep mistaking the clink as me hitting them

[serene chasm]

I hear it more as a shwing.

[brittle garnet]

I think the actual hit clink is a different sound effect though

[cerulean sable]

theres a solid metallic thud to it

its like how whenever movies have the main character pull guns out, theres always a cocking sound

[brittle garnet]

tbf I prefer a clink over a schwing

[cerulean sable]

i dunno i just find it weird

[brittle garnet]

sounds cooler

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQV5rbBMjCQ kinda similar to this

for me its confusing

my association with clink is that if i actually hit something that doesnt do damage

ie hitting gates or FK armour

[wanton crest]

true

why would it clink if it doesn't touch anything yet

[cerulean sable]

its not a deal breaker for me because goddamn the rest of the audio design watching these demos again is top notch

i just find the clink parry to be offputting

[coarse leaf]

Good morning chat!

[cerulean sable]

best argument for it ofc is for it to be a clear visual cue

[trim estuary]

roblox

[cerulean sable]

true

[wanton crest]

i would say AoE II but yeah roblox

[elfin badge]

https://www.tomorrowtides.com/best-ahsoka-tano-moments.html

[brazen grotto]

Happy 9:33pm!! (that’s what it is for me)

[north basin]

Hey, same

[cerulean sable]

why did you post this again?

[static gorge]

Yo strider my man how you been

[elfin badge]

Silksongs just like your dad, he'll never come back from getting milk at the store and itll never come out

[static gorge]

Ouch

[proud vale]

Milksong never came

[coarse leaf]

Time zone moment

The chat is dead anyway at this time.

[static gorge]

Rip

[hazy dome]

I can revive it tho

at a cost

[narrow lava]

what cost

[tawdry valley]

50 sun

[static gorge]

No...

That cost is too high

[frank sparrow]

no cost too great

[proud vale]

December disappointment gang

[young saffron]

:/

are we going to go another year (2022) without news? I hope not D:

[warm bone]

december demons 😈

[proud vale]

Time to forget about this discord until the next event again

[frank sparrow]

BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY BOYS its the only thing to believe in

[analog forge]

February freebrawlers

[warm bone]

febuary femurbreakers

[heady jolt]

february not fools

also e3 2022 we gotta believe

[frank sparrow]

i dont believe in e3

[analog forge]

I dont either

[tulip drift]

Good evening everybody. 👋

[frank sparrow]

but february 2022 will give us everything we need

[analog forge]

E3 is a myth

[warm bone]

true, that's when elden ring comes out

that's all we need

[frank sparrow]

A REASON TO BELIEVE- IF ELDEN RING COMES OUT THEN SILKSONG WILL COME EVENTUALLY

[young saffron]

yea..

[heady jolt]

elden ring will break the silksong curse

imagine on the day elden ring releases tc is like "since youre all celebrating already heres some news to boost your hype"

[frank sparrow]

[heady jolt]

[tulip drift]

I'd be willing to bet on something by the end of this year, even if it's just a "Hey we're still alive, hope you guys are doing well." In fact it probably will end up something like the latter, if it happens at all. Which is fine, I should add.

[heady jolt]

arent they on vacation rn

[frank sparrow]

no idea but im pretty sure we're not getting a thing from TC this year

[tulip drift]

Oh, true.

[cerulean sable]

Worth killing for
Worth dying for
Worth going to Deepnest for 😏

[primal hill]

Just did 18 coin flips to try and guess the release date , it ended up being feb 20 - March 1
That’s a

[analog forge]

Id go into deepnest irl for silksong news

[primal hill]

% chance

[frank sparrow]

Hey TTaco- How are ya?

[hollow sedge]

they probably are, its usually why theres a blogpost in the later half of december

[daring hemlock]

gm

[hollow sedge]

but this time its different, they are on vacation but wont give us a blogpost

[frank sparrow]

if we get news before the end of the year 2021- I WILL BUY SOMEONE SILKSONG

[digital glen]

if we get news before end of the year 2021 - I WILL BUYS SOMEONE CHIPS

what are you guys favorite?

I would like news this year but i dont think its gonna happen

[frank sparrow]

well we're not getting news so

[hazy dome]

Team Cherry

• "Pathethic"
  Casually give 2k+ copies of SS to Backers like a boss

[digital glen]

Yeah and high tiers can get like 4 keys

[serene chasm]

If we get news before the end of the year, I will buy myself ss

[digital glen]

The chad hollow knight backer vs the virgin yandere simulator supporter

[chilly nexus]

If we get news before the end of the year i will quite league

pls. someone make me

[digital glen]

So if theres none you will not buy ss?

[serene chasm]

yes

[digital glen]

shit guys we need news

[serene chasm]

Its a dangerous game Im playing

[hollow sedge]

guess you not playing silksong 🗿

[digital glen]

TC help this guy out

[brave stone]

Any one hear of the play Waiting for Godot?

[digital glen]

Release a frame from the black screen transition and call news

[brave stone]

It's us guys

[serene chasm]

I have not

[marsh cargo]

Made lore for vessel maker character

[serene chasm]

#art-discussion would probably a better place for that

[frank sparrow]

I HAVE FOUND THE NEWS

[digital glen]

?????

[serene chasm]

OMG VOID IN SS

[brave stone]

Hornet is void?

[frank sparrow]

its nothing

[digital glen]

SILKSONG NEWS?????????

[frank sparrow]

oh no

[digital glen]

#hk-announcements quick

Screen transition revealed

[hollow sedge]

team cherry really bouta go a year without news

another silksong soundtrack would satisfy me for atleast 6 months

[frank sparrow]

chris give us music

[digital glen]

Take the scuffed music from the Moss Mother from Nintendo Treehouse

[hazy dome]

If it a remix of Never gonna give you up , i will take it as a win

[digital glen]

With the sound coming from the tv and people talking over it

[marsh cargo]

Does this work?

[frank sparrow]

someone pretend to be chris and give us music

[wheat sail]

yes im chris, I put my music on FNF mods

[digital glen]

It closed my discord app

And "could not open this file"

[marsh cargo]

Ok I will try to get this to work

[white barn]

My lil sister just called hornet a bull wearing red skirt and i cant unsee it

she also call lace a mushroom

[digital glen]

My friend's dad called "the bunny game"

[marsh cargo]

Does this work?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10WPeHbcUr44bbIAkyhaee8UKvC__-YoMCRFMavH9nbE/edit

[hazy dome]

Mhmm mushroom delicious

[frank sparrow]

Your sister knows her stuff- because Lace is in fact a mushroom

[hollow sedge]

you need access for it to work

[hazy dome]

Make it public first

[digital glen]

It says that i dont have the permission

[marsh cargo]

There we go

Changed

Try now

[digital glen]

Now it works

[marsh cargo]

Ok

This is my first time making lore for a character

I'll post pic again

[coarse leaf]

That looks like as if a vessel were to have sided with the Grimm Troupe

[marsh cargo]

That's the point

[coarse leaf]

I am… a moron!

[marsh cargo]

Here's lore for it
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10WPeHbcUr44bbIAkyhaee8UKvC__-YoMCRFMavH9nbE/edit

[coarse leaf]

Pretty good!

[marsh cargo]

Thx

[tough moat]

Twitter is a unique place

[primal hill]

Everyone can have a vessel OC
I just realized everyone can have a vessel OC

[tawdry valley]

Can =/= Should

[trim estuary]

No you’re a fool

[trim estuary]

≠

[fallow rock]

what in the living heck are yall doing

[serene chasm]

we should all make bugsonas

[tawdry valley]

C̶͊̑r̵̅͒ÿ̷́͘ ̵́̈́a̴̍̊b̵̄̈o̷͋̍ú̴͛t̵͋̒ ̵͑͠i̴̾̎t̵͑̓

[trim estuary]

Yo mama so fat

She was the iceberg

[tawdry valley]

She made yours look only slightly obese?

[trim estuary]

No

[cerulean sable]

yo mama so fat

milksong hornet is void silknever zoteboat put on your clown masks circus

[tawdry valley]

Be it Hornet, white and milky….

[cerulean sable]

uhuh

[fallow rock]

yo mama so fat

she gave birthed to a taco headed child

[tawdry valley]

You say that like it’s not an accredited Olympic sport

[marsh cargo]

This is odd

[cerulean sable]

does the silk go out ofry ou czu sthe silk g outs for me eee it is the 21st cnetury it is theee, 21st centu-reyey

[fiery coral]

The wait's been hard on all of us

some more than others evidently

[cerulean sable]

imagine hornet

bhopping to connectors in citadel

[fiery coral]

Easy if you try

Oh

[cerulean sable]

then 1 tapping cult bugs with a rail gun

before denying their multihealth\

awesome

[fiery coral]

is this Battle Brothers or Insurgency

Or Quake

[frank sparrow]

[marsh cargo]

Festive triangle vessel

[cerulean sable]

yes

[marsh cargo]

Also idk if I put this here before but here it is

[fiery coral]

I have a feeling the people in #art-discussion are better equipped to appreciate the finer details of that work, ha

[marsh cargo]

Hey I made the T R I A N G L E vessel a thing based off a concept I had a while ago yet here I am still making art of it

[narrow lava]

my lower mind cannot even comprehend what that is other than the triforce

[marsh cargo]

To me it is simply triangle

Not all the triangle stuff is pixel art tho made some sketches

There are also some who call me triangle god as a joke for the sheer amount of triangle things I made

In one hour

[rigid nest]

Will this be our first december without any updates or news?

[twilit grotto]

What would you guys be willing to do to get access to just the demo?

[native ivy]

Hello hk meme 2

[rigid nest]

@twilit grotto uhhh id pay.... 500 bucks

[marsh cargo]

I can show some of the triangle stuff on actual paper if you want

Keyword SOME

[fallow rock]

#art-discussion invading this channel

[marsh cargo]

What

[serene chasm]

This isnt the place for posting your HK vessel fanart

[marsh cargo]

It technically is but ye

[serene chasm]

Its not. This is the place to talk about Silksong. We are usually ok with people going off topic though (Providing you arent trying to derail an on-topic discussion)

[twilit grotto]

Likely

[marsh cargo]

Ah im an idiot

[twilit grotto]

Unless TC is planning something on Christmas

[marsh cargo]

Wrong channel

lol

[serene patrol]

Hello my troupe

[surreal crown]

February fanatics where u at?

[rough cedar]

Screw dexerto this entire article is some BS

[still elm]

seems legit

[warped umbra]

The art on it is pretty cool though honestly

What’s it even from

[cunning geode]

fanart

[rough cedar]

Its gotta be fanart

Thats literally hornet and her mother herrah seemingly fighting

[warped umbra]

yeah lmaooo, still cool art though, looks almost legit from my phone screen

[untold inlet]

pls i got that on my google chrome too

[potent plover]

How is the state of ss-discussion?

Dead, I see.

[chilly nexus]

lel

[serene chasm]

holy notifications Batman!

[heady jolt]

i got that and im like haha i wish

[grim forge]

[serene chasm]

clickbait game sites are the worst

[digital elm]

who here supports the buying of hollow knight?

[grim forge]

How do I even answer that question

[cerulean sable]

i fucking hate these sites

[digital elm]

the obvious answer: "yes"

Well I've got just the right thing for you: https://www.gofundme.com/f/fvvqu-help-dax-buy-hollow-knight?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1

[rough cedar]

Lol i have like 80 notifs every time i wake up

[digital glen]

Everytime this google news show up i get said

[serene chasm]

why? seriously why?!

[restive creek]

Don’t buy him HK it’s a trap

[digital elm]

https://tenor.com/view/your-youre-spies-in-disguise-your-spies-gif-20405823

[digital glen]

Is only fanstuff with the most exagerated title possible

[serene chasm]

Will Hollow Knight: Silksong Cure Cancer?!

[rough cedar]

Well at first there were nothing but dms in my notifs i had like 13 people who texted me

[trim estuary]

yes!!

[digital glen]

"This fan is eating bean everday until the release of Silksong" Dexerto

[serene chasm]

extroverts. I dont understand you.

[digital glen]

"Fan made a perfect cosplay of Macebug"

[rough cedar]

Im introverted fym

[trim estuary]

[rough cedar]

I cant even keep up with the 1 girl who texts me daily on snapchat

Im introverted as F U C K

[serene chasm]

You have 13 people texting you.

[rough cedar]

I also just havent been checking my phone at all and sleeping 16 hours at a time but

Oh thats not entirely cuz they wanna talk its either related to tournaments, youtuber stuff or music stuff

[serene chasm]

Granted, Im sure I would have more texts and chats going if I was younger and still in school

[rough cedar]

Im not in school either

[silver oak]

Back in my day, I got all the girls
-curly probably

[serene chasm]

I did not. But thanks

[rough cedar]

Anyways out of all the texts i had only 2 of those people actually were texting me because they wanted to talk to me

[serene chasm]

Imagine people wanting to talk to you.