sk-discussion

[alpine basalt]

maybe we are misunderstanding eachother, gimme a second

[unique pawn]

We need you all to be more active here this is the one time silksong is being genuinely discussed

[alpine basalt]

i was about to mention this! we havnt placed the mantis tribe equivalent yet! where do the ants live?

[brittle garnet]

Look, they're so similar

[uncut citrus]

feels like its easier to discuss around an image, each time theres a map chat gets revived

[alpine basalt]

i see it. But also the legs are on opposite sides of eachother. But yes that shell shape is very similar. But the areas seem to have no correlation.

[haughty brook]

Still amazed of the art of the 2 years old trailer.

[uncut citrus]

well in my (probably 28.6% correct?) speculation map its just under FoB, also i put them unconnected but they definitely got osme connection to FoB

[brittle garnet]

The areas are both water themed

[alpine basalt]

clover is water themed?

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, these aren't suppose to be Clovers, contrary to popular belief
It's duckweed, an aquatic plant

[coarse leaf]

I just hope I will get a Boss when i least expect it

[formal karma]

heyyyy, duck weed

[brittle garnet]

And also the fan shaped rocks are pretty clearly meant to resemble seashells or coral

[alpine basalt]

perhaps it goes like this then, progressivly more ocean:
Ocean place with the funny ocean shell NPC is prob underneath some mass of water. They addapted to the wet climate i guess, and maybe to the side of its the clover area? and then further away, a little drier the moss grotte

[brittle garnet]

I was thinking something along those lines. I wonder if the Coral forest is connected to them too.

[alpine basalt]

yes but. Here we got like clams, and its very moody. And raining. def under water right? clover has some wierd shell things yes, but also it blooms with the water, for the clovers i guess. And this all stems from the crab similarities? lemme draw something, gimme a minute

[uncut citrus]

Clover area next to MG would look like that? i guess it works

[formal kelp]

much edit very shop

[alpine basalt]

You knoiw that thats good. here me out. What if the rainy clam place (my pic above) is just over the "lake of some sort" and then the coral area is moved just to the left. Where is isnt as pirates of the carribean wet anymore. Then there the water place and coral connection

[uncut citrus]

ikr

[alpine basalt]

under the lake i meant

[formal kelp]

I just want to see the coral area but I hope its not fog canyon levels of useless

[alpine basalt]

prob not

[brittle garnet]

To be fair there are several ares where it's raining, moss grotto even has some rain, and it rains in Greymoor too

[alpine basalt]

looks dope as hell

[uncut citrus]

the rainy clam place would be "deep ocean" so yes, it'll look like my V???

[brittle garnet]

I'd rather wager that the barnacle area used to be underwater but no longer is

[crystal vector]

That needle hotbox looks cracked

[formal kelp]

to be fair theres probably a lot of water going down pharloom, and it has to collect up somewhere

[uncut citrus]

this is why i put deep ocean... deep

[alpine basalt]

Maybe thats the wet place down there. yea

[uncut citrus]

but there could be just an actual ocea where you cant go

like just water down in the world

actual water that isnt an area, like the sea of void but bigger

[alpine basalt]

boat

[uncut citrus]

just for "all the water falling go there"

[uncut citrus]

Bote*

[alpine basalt]

thats good. and now its all run down and wet. I wonder how that would be. Whered the water go?

[crystal vector]

Upwards

[agile plover]

(yo when's the next big thing where silksong could be announced)

haha funny clown silksong never release now answer me

[zinc vault]

No

[crystal vector]

Yeah when e3?

[agile plover]

welp got me there

[zinc vault]

Just shut and wait

[crystal vector]

Or is there a scheduled direct before then?

[uncut citrus]

SS rare sight of actual silksong discussion is over, back to release date speculation

[agile plover]

Can we go back to pretending that silksong is out, that's fun

[crystal vector]

Don't need to speculate if the game comes out and we can play it

[unique pawn]

Found this on one of the Blogs, i guess it backs up that we will eventually get a release.

The game might just be really big, so thats why its taking a while.

[agile plover]

nice

I like big games with tons of space

[alpine basalt]

i think they will just say something at some point. a realese trailer, and then the good thing will be that we can trust it

[formal kelp]

its always has been just a waiting game so dont fail it

[crystal vector]

I want a big water monster (like a kraken or something) as I remember being disappointed by the lack of one at the big lake under distant village

[uncut citrus]

oh yeah BTW distant village lake, thats where all the water go

[unique pawn]

And remember that character voices are happening too, that would take a while to perfect.

[crystal vector]

Bold prediction to assume they will say something

[uncut citrus]

in pharloom it would go to the "Void???" area which probably wont have a sea of void but simply a sea

[agile plover]

What I'm a bit worried about Silksong is, the original hollow knight absolutely nailed the theme of the story not being about the protagonist but about the world around them, and I absolutely loved that. I'm worried that that'll be lost with Hornet being able to, yknow, talk.

[spiral venture]

maybe its because theyre a fucking indie team

give them some time

[uncut citrus]

they work fast, the game is still really big

[crystal vector]

Im personally excited about the aspect of having a not self insert character in a hollow knight game

[unique pawn]

Exactly, people are starting to get impatient, we do need to give them time

[uncut citrus]

more time for map speculation

[crystal vector]

Where the lava gonna be

[uncut citrus]

if i make 38 diffrent version one of them will have at least 50% right

[spiral venture]

yea games just dont come out in a year, its literally only been 3 years just be patient

[agile plover]

I want them to have a battlefield. Like a legit ongoing war kinda battlefield with different bugs fighting and stuff.

[uncut citrus]

then i can always link it without talking about the 37 fail one and look like i predicted it first try

[normal token]

Make every possible version of the map

[short wagon]

So is the silk song finished or is it mostly finished

[alpine basalt]

@brittle garnet my drawing is done.
You see? i think its just a design coincidence. The small guy would have to grow "arms" i guess where it currently has legs. And it would suddenly learn to walk upside down. Cuz it would grow an extra piece of body on its head? to grow legs? and then where are the remains of the legs by the face when its grown up? its ridicolous. No hard feelings btw.

[uncut citrus]

ill change my things

[spiral venture]

im not a dev how would i know that

[crystal vector]

Is anyone else REALLY excited about exploring a kingdom that isn't dead? like cities with lots of bugs and active politics and stuff

[spiral venture]

i will run for pharloom president

[agile plover]

tbh yeah that's what I'm excited about silksong

[unique pawn]

I think its around the 50% mark? We should still be patient, maybe like 2 years we might hear something about a release?

Honestly, im just guessing.

[crystal vector]

I also really like stuff where you visit a town or whatever and come back to everyone being dead because of your actions, really leaves an impact when that stuff happens

[agile plover]

but then again you won't be able to just go ahead and slaughter everyone with the excuse of them being infected without being called silly things like "Criminal" and "Mass murderer" and "Terrorist" and being taken to "Court" for "First degree manslaughter" 😠

[spiral venture]

that sounds about right

[alpine basalt]

no to mention the missing snout

[uncut citrus]

ill put every area as one layer so i can move them around as will and make 20 diffrent maps from what would still be logical to be the area places and ill just save them somewhere and ill act like i just made one of them with the closer to be true one i am evil incarnate

[short wagon]

I remember a few months ago there was a leak that silk Song was finished but still being worked on

[crystal vector]

Imagine doing quests for some nice bugs and you accidentally release a big monster that kills the nice bugs so you avenge them

[alpine basalt]

thats litterelly how TC works. they'll finish, but then just want to add more and more content

[spiral venture]

just build up a lot of money and bail yourself out

[short wagon]

So they didn't finish most of silkSong

[unique pawn]

Honestly i respect that they do that

[short wagon]

Once again, we have been lied to

[unique pawn]

That's what makes their games amazing, and worth the wait.

[uncut citrus]

Silksong base is definitively finished yet, but HK base was also probably finished waaaay before the release, theres probably whole areas that doesnt coundt as "base" and then theres al lthe bugs fix, tools, abilities... that arent really the base but they still gotta add

[spiral venture]

theyre not lying, they just want to add more additional or post-game content to the main story

[alpine basalt]

Yea, hences the massive amount of interactions there will probably be with the tools im sure a bunch of bugs will arrise

[crystal vector]

One thing I am a bit sceptical about is changing the combat system, which could cause problems because of the "if it ain't broke dont fix it" and hollow knight did it very well

[ocean mulch]

I think they're the same creature still

[alpine basalt]

Whats ur counter argument. How do you explain how it will grow a longer body on its head, and grow legs on that, and what? lose the legs that it had when small, and then get to arms instead. thats not growth or evolution. THats mutation

[short wagon]

Like the Seeker DLC？

[spiral venture]

yea

[crystal vector]

Stuff like nosk

[short wagon]

I wonder if there will be a Grimm's troupe again in Silksong

[normal token]

Maybe a grown-up version?

[uncut citrus]

yeah every optional things basically, most of a TC game

[agile plover]

Do yall think they'll have executions like in blasphemous where if you do just the right amount of damage you unlock a preanimated takedown move and it gives you extra loot

[crystal vector]

This could be cool if it was like a different generation of grimm troupe

[alpine basalt]

it was a discussion with had earlier. This is what people think cuz of the similar base shape of their bodies.

[normal token]

Kingdom alive so no grimn

[agile plover]

Grimmteen 😳

[spiral venture]

honestly if grimm was in silksong i would love if it was the same boss attacks for consistency, but at the same time id hate it bc itd be the same boss

[cerulean sable]

what if silksong has a section where ur climbing up a tower
while sad musci plays
and random snippets of pharlomo people dying and you gotta keep smashing A button to as hornet struggles to even stand

[formal karma]

that'd be dope

[alpine basalt]

that sounds wierd, the mashing part

[cerulean sable]

yeah cuz its literally from fucking MGS4

[formal karma]

i am desperate for SIlksong to break my heart- watch some people die

[crystal vector]

This is what this thread should be about happy discussions about the game and what could be in it not SiLKsOnG wHeN

[analog forge]

No

[fleet temple]

I am desperate for silksong

[spiral venture]

the crimson tower confirmed

[agile plover]

yea I hope not either

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdjLBYxAcUI im telling you this i a very provoking scene that needs to get into Silksong

[agile plover]

I don't think that could translate into the setting of Silksong, let alone into a 2d indie metroidvania

[spiral venture]

why is it split screen

[cerulean sable]

yo ugotta try hard enough

[crystal vector]

Believe harder

[cerulean sable]

cuz its supposed to show how everyone is getting fucked up while he struggles to disable the ai shit

just imagine seeing sherma get punted in the other split screen segment and used like a tennis ball by 2 cultist

[green bobcat]

bugs can change a lot when maturing, could easily be related

[alpine basalt]

I have a discussion starter. What do you think that guy is holding up there. One has a scissor. Obv a weapon, but those to up there have, a staff of sorts, and then some glowing red light? what is that magic?

[crystal vector]

Guides? Maybe pilgrims I think non aggressive npc

[spiral venture]

grimm magic confirmed

[formal karma]

its an lantern...?

[crystal vector]

Look like a group of wanderers based on rough travelling robes

[green bobcat]

would be pretty hard to use that lantern staff as a weapon

[alpine basalt]

U think thats an npc? why would there be an aggrssor just below

[crystal vector]

Pretty sure

[agile plover]

probably just a lantern to swing as a weapon

[short wagon]

Did Graig really work for TC

[uncut citrus]

also do we et any more stuff about the "clock tower" cause we just see cogs, could be anyhing else that uses cogs

[green bobcat]

lantern guy has two pairs of arms though so he could pull out a weapon

[agile plover]

Jax from league of legends silksong cameo confirmed 😳

[spiral venture]

not like a scissor man can even get up there

[alpine basalt]

but the wand man could=

[green bobcat]

there’s a mask right past them though so probably enemies

[spiral venture]

you kill them and save the npc from danger or something

[crystal vector]

Yes. They dont look very equipped to fight and are on a higher platform and also close together suggesting intelligent group maybe

[uncut citrus]

wh... what? you mean our health?

[alpine basalt]

Thats the HUD

[unique pawn]

They could be mages, and shoot projectiles??

[green bobcat]

oh I’m blind then lmao

[alpine basalt]

but magic should be lessened in this game. more mechanical

[formal kelp]

dislike

[crystal vector]

I think they look more like npcs than aggressive dudes

[alpine basalt]

i shoudlve shown the video. They are definetly enemies. IN the clip (from trailer) they are pacing, like enemies, both of them

[spiral venture]

except for the scissor man

[crystal vector]

Oh lol I havent watched the videos in ages

Maybe they are a group that is aggressive to outsiders? Like an intelligent group?

[alpine basalt]

Threre are two clips back to back of tower looking buildings. But im not sure if these are connected. Almost seems like a richmans clocktower, and a poor mans one

[alpine basalt]

@uncut citrus Map guy! we have a problem! there might be two towers

[verbal marsh]

hmmm I think ones not a clock tower

[alpine basalt]

second one yea?

[verbal marsh]

ye

[normal token]

Second one is confirmed greymoor iirc

[verbal marsh]

maybe some sort of factory

[crystal vector]

I think this suggests some reasonably intelligent group inhabiting this clocktower, maybe separated by class hence the quality difference in locations

[alpine basalt]

hmmmm ok. thats good. our current map has a tower in the imddle of greymoor, but where is the other tower

[verbal marsh]

Like a big loom

[alpine basalt]

THE SCISSOR!! something to do with silk production? THEYRE LIKE; ITS LIKE THE CITADEL USING CHINESE FACTORIESS !!!

[neat forum]

It almost feels like the game should be out because it looked nearly finished in most of the reveals we’ve gotten

[ocean mulch]

up is a clock tower down is like a spinning thing

[verbal marsh]

agh so many questions

[alpine basalt]

wait.... towers in plural....

[crystal vector]

I smell platforming

[ocean mulch]

I think the clocktower s in the city

[verbal marsh]

perhaps

[crystal vector]

Downpogo isn't a thing in ss right ?

[verbal marsh]

the down dash attack thing is the equivalent

[crystal vector]

Have other mechanics to maintain air

[verbal marsh]

I think

[burnt topaz]

The citadel city?

[neat forum]

I wish we knew when the game will come out

[verbal marsh]

still hope for the 31st

[crystal vector]

Im going to make a bold prediction and say the next 5 years

[neat forum]

[verbal marsh]

NO WAY

[neat forum]

I doubt it’s gonna be December 31st

[verbal marsh]

not the release but some news

[crystal vector]

No chance

[analog forge]

Januart first 00:01

[outer bridge]

It’ll 100% be announced on New Years in the fireworks show

[analog forge]

Just to fuck with peeps

[neat forum]

Hornet shaped firework

[crystal vector]

EARLIEST that makes any sense is febuary

[upper panther]

Did you guys played that Aeterna Noctis?

[burnt topaz]

And even then that feels unlikely

[neat forum]

February is Elden Ring month

[fleet temple]

I'm banking all my rosaries on 2022

[verbal marsh]

nah I saw it but I didn't like the look of it

[fleet temple]

don't when, but somepoint in that year, we are DEFINITELY getting SIlksong

[burnt topaz]

Tc were planning a Feb release but the elden ring got revealed so now they're adding another area instead

[crystal vector]

I want to say E3 release date reveal and a mid-late year release 2022

[neat forum]

!remindme 1 year

[verbal marsh]

yeah seems reasonable

when is e3 anyway

june?

[crystal vector]

Got my clown suit ready for 2022 anyways

[burnt topaz]

Around that time yeah

[crystal vector]

Remember the respectful clown cry in the corner not spam 🤡 in livechats

[verbal marsh]

🤡

June is so far...

holiday 2022 even more so

[coarse leaf]

No it isn’t - as long as you leave the server and continue to be occupied with life

[verbal marsh]

I mean yeah but now it seems far after getting exited for ss at tga or indie world

[short wagon]

Silksong was an indie game and Elden Circle was 3A

[crystal vector]

Its funny when we thought 2021 but got clowned and arnt even sure we are getting 2022 release lol

[formal kelp]

arent the birds in greymoor like gardeners cuz they have gardening tools

[floral kindle]

they do?

[formal kelp]

and it says they are "tenders"

[verbal marsh]

bruh surely it's sometime in 2022

[crystal vector]

[coarse leaf]

Maybe they’re tending graves? Maybe their tools are burial instruments? Like a shovel, for instance?

[formal kelp]

but the scissors

[short wagon]

I am a firm believer in 2022

[drowsy isle]

Hello

[crystal vector]

Look if its not coming out in 2022 im expecting 3 hours of content behind one hidden breakable wall like man

[verbal marsh]

[coarse leaf]

So, godhome?

[signal crag]

i'm still in the "before late 2023" group, until proven otherwise

[crystal vector]

Thats about 50+ hours lmao

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-laugh-evil-villain-skeletor-gif-4145131

[signal crag]

Tammo why you don't you like this btw

[short wagon]

The only chance silkSong will appear this month is at Christmas

[opaque sigil]

Is it based off the Leth thing

[short wagon]

So what happens at Christmas

[tame widget]

would be a good christmas gift, but what are the odds

[coarse leaf]

The only chance we’re getting news is February

[crystal vector]

And that's recycled content mostly i mean like an entire area and city that you might never discover on first playthrough

[signal crag]

well....yeah?
it's the latest possible date that's based on "something"

so i'll keep that for now

[verbal marsh]

seems unlikely since their on a break maybe

[opaque sigil]

Then I don't like it because I don't like that argument

Because Leth clearly didn't mean anything by it

[short wagon]

That could only be February 1, the date Nvidia leaked earlier

[crystal vector]

2024 release gang?

[verbal marsh]

imagine

[signal crag]

ofc, that was his opinion
but it's a valid reasoning, at least

[opaque sigil]

Only if Crowsworn actually is going to be done in 2023

And isn't rushed due to financial pressure or anything else

[crystal vector]

Okay everyone stop buying hollow knight that way they stop getting money and have to stop adding more content and then we can play ss this decade

[cerulean sable]

defo gonna see crowborne getting delayed

[verbal marsh]

their Kickstarter made like 1.5 million....

[cerulean sable]

especially with those kickstarter goals

[opaque sigil]

Too late for that

[signal crag]

also, i wonder if, when they made that estimate, they already took in consideration the extra goals they reached

[coarse leaf]

I doubt it tbh

Lowkey expecting them to not finish til 2025

[opaque sigil]

And even if Crowsworn isn't delayed or rushed it could still be a smaller game, or made more quickly for some other reasons

[signal crag]

i mean, i'm aware it's common knowledge for KS project to always be delayed one way or another

[crystal vector]

Highkey

[coarse leaf]

Bis manama bob les

[opaque sigil]

My point is Leth's saying "I would be surprised if Crowsworn released first" was not done in an official capacity as a representative of either MR or TC, nor was that anything more than a casual guess

And MR's claim of the 2023 release is dubious

[coarse leaf]

@ Leth

[short wagon]

I feel that LETH has not appeared in this channel for a long time

[signal crag]

i mean, it will still take some time to see how this turns out
so no issues to discuss it a bit

[open abyss]

As any of Team Cherry developers

[signal crag]

and i'm still setting my expectations further than most in this server, so my strategy seems the most safe for now

[opaque sigil]

Leth was here like two days ago

[open abyss]

NANI

[crystal vector]

Imagine leth just drops a ;) in here and leaves

[opaque sigil]

Leth is in the process of moving, so he hasn't been super active

[signal crag]

😐

[short wagon]

I may not have noticed leth coming

[crystal vector]

Which one does the art again?

[signal crag]

Ari Gibson

[opaque sigil]

Ari

[signal crag]

what

[opaque sigil]

Bad internet moment

[signal crag]

whatever
i wrote the full name, so i get extra points anyway

[opaque sigil]

You were first, my internet just was slow enough that mine appeared first to me

[signal crag]

oh, sometimes it does that, yeah

[short wagon]

I really hope to see Eldon Ring Dying Light 2 and SilkSong next February

[open abyss]

Wonder what happened with Silksong development cause year ago they said that only polishing remains. And a whole year for polishing is it big time or a small one? What are your ideas?

[opaque sigil]

They didn't say that

[signal crag]

wait what, they didn't say that?

[short wagon]

I hope now that they are almost finished

[opaque sigil]

But a year for polishing and balancing is reasonable anyways

[open abyss]

Ahh. Ok. Thank you

[signal crag]

only at the treehouse the lady playing implied that

[opaque sigil]

Yeah afawk they're still adding

[short wagon]

We've waited too long

[signal crag]

we are waiting the time is necessary

[opaque sigil]

We've waited like two and three-quarters years

[short wagon]

I can wait, but it's hard to wait without any news

[signal crag]

we are aware of that

[opaque sigil]

If it's really hard to wait then leaving the server/channel temporarily really can help

Might not be a fun solution but it is a solution

[idle scaffold]

Honestly that's true. You don't need to leave the server, but just not coming in the channel can help.

[short wagon]

I check YouTube for silksong every day to see if there are new posts

[open abyss]

I don t know. Maybe it could be better to announce the game when you are certain or nearly certain at least about year of release. But that's just my opinion

[opaque sigil]

Well that wasn't really an option since SS was already a known thing, just as a dlc

[verbal marsh]

you have to let hype build tho

[idle scaffold]

TBH they had to announce something about silksong back then because people would be wondering about the hornet DLC anyway

[opaque sigil]

A DLC taking like three years would be weird, a full game taking that long is totally normal

[hazy dome]

They better add walnut in Silksong

[cloud turtle]

Only issue with all this waiting is no news. All people need is a "hey we are working on game, we are alive, it will come out"

[signal crag]

~~i can't say the same for Katana Zero update then ~~

[idle scaffold]

maybe if they wouldn't have told us about making the hornet DLC they could have been a lot more quiet on their next project and announce SS around now/few months ago

[opaque sigil]

That's implicit, and there has been ample news to assure progress

[tiny pine]

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but it was a backer goal so they couldn't really just not address it

[cloud turtle]

But still, hearing something just makes the wait worth

[idle scaffold]

exactly...

[open abyss]

Well yeah. That makes things kinda complicated

[jade canopy]

Nah the only big problem was the coming soon I think

[opaque sigil]

Coming soon was an offhand comment from the treehouse host

[jade canopy]

Like if they said « game only a work in progress don’t expect it soon » I think for a lot of people the wait would have been easier

Like people expected the game to launch in June 2019

[opaque sigil]

That was never not absurd

[wanton goblet]

The problem with Silksong was the demo

[signal crag]

i mean, also with the short new footage of the game
the "fiscal year" thing from Nintendo

[opaque sigil]

imo the problem was the weird concentration of updates in 2019, if they had done less (maybe just dropped the trailer and one blogpost) expectations wouldn't be in such a weird place

[idle scaffold]

Hm probably

[signal crag]

i actually agree with this tbh
MAYBE at that time they really believed it would be done sooner than later?

[wanton goblet]

Don't do that

[opaque sigil]

As a general rule of thumb pinging people like Graig out of the blue isn't a great idea

[gloomy jacinth]

Just wondering, was Lace too hard in my demake?

[hazy dome]

Yea the server will start witch hunting your ass

[opaque sigil]

Maybe

[analog forge]

Graig will eat your brain for that

[open abyss]

Ok

[tiny pine]

Yeah, let's not ping Graig
Common courtesy and all that

[signal crag]

And leth don't deconfirming those supposedly "soon release" or the fiscal year thing (as far as i'm aware) IF they weren't simply made up by Nintendo for some reason....

[analog forge]

Do not summon the demon known as graig

[opaque sigil]

Although I kinda doubt that they really thought it was almost done 2.5 years ago, seeing as the game has been in full development for like three years. They'd have to have had a pretty bad idea of how large the game was, which is certainly possible, just weird

[signal crag]

i think maybe TC just wants to mantain as much silence as possible to not create some of those situations again...

[viral orchid]

2022 Silksong

[idle scaffold]

Well with the fact that this time they didn't have to change engine like they did with HK I wouldn't be too surprised if things are going smoother with SS. There was that one message from Graig where he said smth along the lines of "I feel the game was meant to be out by now but TC just keep adding content to it." which does sound like smth TC would do

[idle scaffold]

Heh theres the message i was talking about

[signal crag]

sorry, gonna go eat
see you all later!

[gloomy jacinth]

This is the one if anyone was wondering https://fg-0.itch.io/silksong-demake

[opaque sigil]

I mean that quote just says "The game would probably be finished if it was a smaller game than it is" which is.... maybe true but kind of a non-statement

[idle scaffold]

So I think that right now it's all about them adding all that they want and finishing up the game with bug fixes BUT who knows how long that will take depending on how big the game will end up when released.

Tbh I am all for as big as possible but that could also be a bad thing depending on how spread out new content( in the form of new abilities) since I have heard a few opinions that stuff was a bit to spread out in HK

[runic valley]

Man, it’s gonna be huge

[short wagon]

I'd rather T.C. put out a decryption so we can figure out the release date ourselves

[viral orchid]

Okay, but what about the Piss Jar?

[opaque sigil]

They probably don't have a date

[tiny pine]

The what jar

[idle scaffold]

If Graig's statement is true then they surely don't have a date right now

But as he said it was his opinion and not a straight fact

[opaque sigil]

Well the map size seems to be increasing significantly so things may be more spread out a bit but Hornet is also a good deal faster so spacial spreading is kind of counteracted

[runic valley]

Anyone know about the difficulty of it? Like is it gonna be more challenging than hollow knight. Just so I can be prepared

[opaque sigil]

It's intended to be on the same level

[runic valley]

That’s good

[idle scaffold]

That's true. Hornet is quite a bit faster and also bigger than the knight was. Also with the quest system and crests/tools I think that they won't be that spread out anyway since there will be a lot more to do.... Hmm

[winter cypress]

i think its harder mostly because of how far taking damage flings you

[opaque sigil]

I do think SS seems to be more complex than HK, though, so it may have a steeper learning curve

[idle scaffold]

SS might be a bit harder than HK because of the faster pace of combat. Think of it similar to a comparison of combat speed between Dark Souls and Bloodborne. DS has slower combat while BB is faster but not by that much.... Then you have Sekiro who I just can't play for some reason. Too much to do XD

[viral orchid]

Are you team Shaw or team Adino?

[idle scaffold]

Totally team SHAW

[runic valley]

Yea it’s not gonna give much time to think or breathe in battles

[opaque sigil]

There's also tool budgeting and varying silk costs, since binding and using abilities cost different amounts of silk

[opaque sigil]

Also that, since Hornet's heal is so fast

[zinc vault]

Team adino

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah, maybe it's a little unfair, I can fix it in the next update :]

[idle scaffold]

Tool budgeting will truly be a new thing added but binding and abilities will be somewhat similar with HK just with different costs. Are we sure abilities will each use different amounts of silk? Or are they all like the spells in HK using a set amount?

[opaque sigil]

Well they use different amounts of silk compared to the bind

[gloomy jacinth]

Did you enjoy the demake otherwise?

[winter cypress]

absolutely

[opaque sigil]

In HK it was 33 Soul to cast a spell or to heal

[open abyss]

I watched Gamemaker Toolkit video and it mentioned a problem when developers simply do not know, when they should stop and how to deal with it. There was also mentioned another problem when developer doesn't know where to start because there are a lot of choices to be made.

[opaque sigil]

In SS it's like 8 notches to bind (maybe 9) and like 3-4 to use an ability (or around there)

I wanna say 9 and 3 because that lines up nicely but idk

[open abyss]

If you don`t mind I can share this video.

[opaque sigil]

I don't think TC's really having a problem there

It's been said that they're mindful of scope creep

And following TC's design philosophy of not necessitating it that players see everything, adding more and more doesn't really hurt

[idle scaffold]

Oh boy I can't wait... but until then i gotta go again through the Indie World and note down the games I wanna play from there. It was quite the stream tbh

[viral orchid]

Wrong chat

[runic valley]

there's gonna be so much to do

I'm glad they're taking their time with it honestly

[viral orchid]

I thought I was on my friends chat, sorry for the totally off topic image

[idle scaffold]

don't worry. at least it wasn't something too weird XD

[runic valley]

yea dw dw

[cedar trench]

this is so true bestie

[dusk roost]

i dont even know who you are

[cedar trench]

me neither but thats true

wait hold on a second i think ive seen you in like tboicord

[dusk roost]

what?

i dont remember seeing you there
what the fuck are you talking about

[cedar trench]

no fucking idea???? maybe there are multiple edgeworth plush pfps

really thought you were someone else

[dusk roost]

yeah i dont fucking know

[open abyss]

I think Silksong is too big title for Indie World. Like full Nintendo Direct is more suitable for Silksong amount of hype.

[dusk roost]

wdym by someone else
if its someone in the art channel in that server

its 50% me

[viral orchid]

Hornet will have a motorcycle * Motorcycle sounds *

[cedar trench]

yeah creative

[dusk roost]

who are you then

[cedar trench]

frozen chicken

[stoic charm]

Same

[dusk roost]

dont remember you

[cedar trench]

me neither

[carmine sapphire]

Omori on nintendo is still good

[dusk roost]

eh

[cedar trench]

still i call everyone on this green earth bestie so dont get me wrong

[carmine sapphire]

I think indie games are games with not alot of devs, not big or small games

[cedar trench]

they simply are games made by independent companies

[carmine sapphire]

Yes

[idle scaffold]

Yeah Omori is quite good. Haven't played it so I can't say too much about gameplay but the story was really good imo. Also yeah SS is still an indie game so I would say that it has the same chance to appear on either Direct or Indie world

[cedar trench]

so yeah i was wrong it IS a financial thing

[split tide]

Does TC have the support of a large game publisher though?

[nimble radish]

only so much as you need to port a game

[cedar trench]

SS is very anticipated however so you'd expect it to happen in a direct and not in indie worl

[idle scaffold]

TC publishes their games under the TC umbrella. They don't really have an actual publisher

[carmine sapphire]

Tbh i prefer indies than triple A games

[cedar trench]

tbh it depends

[runic valley]

yea it depends

[vapid coral]

Team cherry are still indie I think. They're not backed by a huge studio or anything, so they're independent from that arm of the industry

[carmine sapphire]

I like spider man but thats kinda it

[opaque sigil]

Indies and AAAs have different advantages and disadvantages, neither is inherently better

[wanton crest]

being an indie has 0 corelation with money

[vapid coral]

I think indie games are generally going to be better

[carmine sapphire]

I didnt say which is better, i said what i prefer

[dusk roost]

true
tho right now i feel like playing triple a game is better for me sinc

[uncut citrus]

uh yes i was away for about one hour, definitely looks like one is way cheaper than the other, the top one could be the "clock tower" and the bottom one could be some kind of building with a big mechanism, like i can see some dam keeping the water out of the city or something with a big mechanism like that

[vapid coral]

Like there's a couple of AAA games that I'm a big fan of, Nintendo games being a big part of that, but since around 2016 or so, I've found that indie games are much more fun and better purchases for me

[dusk roost]

fair
tho i just play valves games and from software game nowadays

[opaque sigil]

Indie games on average are not nearly as good as AAAs, it's just that only the indies that are very good get any reputation

[dusk roost]

i feel like i already own all of the good popular indie game

[vapid coral]

From make amazing games, can never deny that

[dusk roost]

so i just play triple a instead

[analog forge]

If you want a good underrated indie, assault android cactus

[burnt topaz]

Top ones for sure a clocktower

[uncut citrus]

why so?

[burnt topaz]

I did like a breakdown about it back in april

[opaque sigil]

It has a clock face

[analog forge]

Top tier indie, a diamond in the rough

[vapid coral]

AAA games are much less common, but a higher percentage of them seem to suck imo

[dusk roost]

i play lair of the clockwork god

[uncut citrus]

wait where

[dusk roost]

yeah
but if its good

[burnt topaz]

In the very very back

[uncut citrus]

i didnt analize every screen to each pixel (yet)

[dusk roost]

its good as fuck
Like psychonauts 2 or it take 2

[opaque sigil]

Only because the indies that suck go unnoticed

[split tide]

I tend to just judge based on the games themselves

[dusk roost]

yeah the bad indies game are more in the background than good indie games

[burnt topaz]

This is the clock tower stuff

[normal token]

indie better because they can actually run on my pc

[opaque sigil]

A bad AAA gets a ton of attention, a bad indie gets swept under the rug

[vapid coral]

Like I'm not looking for GOTY material when I buy a game, and I'm not just grabbing the most popular indie titles either

[split tide]

I don’t really care that much about the distinction between indie and AAA

[formal kelp]

but its a huge difference

[stoic path]

I feel like AAAs nowadays feel very similar

[vapid coral]

Like I'll go looking for games that look really good and most of the time, I'll pick an indie game. And every time, it's been a damn good pick

[analog forge]

Like i said, you should check out aac

[split tide]

That is true; I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t go looking for indies or AAA specifically

Not that there doesn’t exist a big gap

[vapid coral]

Like I didn't get hollow knight because it was popular. I heard the name when it came out, and it hid in my head until mid 2020 when I bought it

[paper tinsel]

I look for good games, don't care if it's AAA or not.

[dusk roost]

yeah same tbh

[split tide]

Most AAA games get a huge amount of attention in general right

So flaws are probably highlighted much more harshly

[dusk roost]

yeah

[bleak musk]

hornet fortnight

[formal kelp]

dislike

[paper tinsel]

Something that I feel happens with AAA games is that not a lot of them try to innovate and instead stay in the safe grounds, indie games are usually where I get the most surprises in this aspect, though a lot do get unnoticed for this reason.

[bleak musk]

"im cranking fucking 90s ghost, I'm cranking 90s. I'm Fortnite hornet ghost! Fortnite hornet!"

[cedar trench]

my fave AAA game has to be breath of the wild

replayed that shit 4 times

[opaque sigil]

BotW is pretty good yeah

[jade canopy]

Well that depends on the AAA games, like Ubisoft’s really follow that logic but not all

[paper tinsel]

Of course, I never referred to all of them.

[runic valley]

botw is really good with how much different it is to past tloz games which have been the same for like over a decade

But that’s just my opinion :]

[coarse leaf]

it's less forgivable when a game with a huge studio behind it and millions of pounds in funding is bad compared to a small passion project worked on by a few people

This is my Ballow NFT. Do you like it? Please do not screenshot.

screenshot yes

[coarse leaf]

TC will make every sprite in the game an NFT

[sweet bluff]

people talking about AAA again

[sweet bluff]

agree

like the majority of my fave games are indie

[coarse leaf]

DEAD CELLS!!?!?!???!?

https://tenor.com/view/dead-cells-michael-jackson-moonwalk-prisoner-gif-21109347

[fiery coral]

Portal

[coarse leaf]

All my homies hate Derelict Distillery

[fiery coral]

Forgotten Sepulchre though

[coarse leaf]

Forgotten Sepulcher*

[fiery coral]

wait not

yeah that

[coarse leaf]

Yeah that area stinks - I barely went there

There was a hidden rune in that area that I never even knew existed until AFTER 5BC

[fiery coral]

imagine doing 5 BC

[stark estuary]

What comes after thrice

[coarse leaf]

Flex:
I own every item and achievement in Dead Cells :skeletorlaugh:

I can’t wait for the Queen and the Sea DLC - have any of you seen it?

[fiery coral]

I don't think there's a word for 4 and higher

[fiery coral]

Yeah I saw the trailer

[opaque sigil]

Quarce?

[coarse leaf]

Quince

[coarse leaf]

For 5

[stark estuary]

I don't think Quarce and Quince are canon to the English Language

They're fanmade

[uncut citrus]

guys

[opaque sigil]

idk I just made that up following the conventions

[uncut citrus]

does anybody got like

[stark estuary]

Gulka Venom? Say less

[uncut citrus]

all of Silksong's screens?

[opaque sigil]

I have the ones from Edge, which is most of them

[coarse leaf]

Warning: Over 3,500 Elden Ring files have been datamined, and people have found a way to indefinitely play the Closed Network test and go out of bounds. If you are an Elden Ring fan - Steer. Away. From. The internet.

[rough dew]

[coarse leaf]

What? I have to spread the word to fellow Elden Ring fans!

[rough dew]

thanks for spreading the message

[uncut citrus]

well those are the one i can see by going back to the time you already sent them all in this channel, so i can already see them

[rough dew]

yeah no it's good, just funny to see it instantly reposted

[opaque sigil]

The others are just on the blogposts

[coarse leaf]

[uncut citrus]

cause like im trying to figure out areas we maybe have seen in screens but doesnt looks like one

[marsh ibex]

weaver

[coarse leaf]

herrah

[uncut citrus]

ah yes the "weaver nest sub area?"

[rough dew]

fool i still want that damn explanation of the game

[coarse leaf]

O H S H I T

[rough dew]

[marsh ibex]

Herrah isn’t a weaver

Also I had this idea where you go around an area with eggs right

and then these mechanical weaver things pop out and try to kill you

[stoic iron]

for real? thanks for letting us know :0

[coarse leaf]

No way! REALLY?

[rough dew]

yeah it's legit, datamined from the demo

[coarse leaf]

I had no idea!

[marsh ibex]

I will ban you

[sweet bluff]

oh its there just cuz i need to play it

[coarse leaf]

[opaque sigil]

@uncut citrus These are the screenshots on the blog posts

None of them are particularly mysterious area-wise

[stoic iron]

I feel...healed

[sage glade]

omg new areas

[uncut citrus]

ah thanks

[stoic iron]

is this bonebottom? greymoor?

[opaque sigil]

(Also just noting that the blogposts combined have had four screenshots, Edge had 15)

[marsh ibex]

bonemoor

[sage glade]

greymoor probably

[marsh ibex]

Also prolly greymoor, bonebottom looks a lot more ramshackle

[stoic iron]

and then what is bonebottom? im sorry

[opaque sigil]

Bonebottom is the first town

[nimble steppe]

Less organized, more rural

[opaque sigil]

The second screenshot is probably bonebottom, same ground and bg

Same as this

[sage glade]

which one is that? deadcell?

[opaque sigil]

You can see the floor turn into bones to the right

[sweet bluff]

portal
portal 2 is unplayed

[sage glade]

bruh. finish asap

[sweet bluff]

lmao no its boring

[stoic iron]

lace ost is such a good song.

[sage glade]

it's a puzzle game not an action game lol

[sweet bluff]

exactly its fking boring

[opaque sigil]

If they don't want to play it then they don't want to play it, nothing wrong with that

[marsh ibex]

@fiery coral

[sweet bluff]

look at these games. now look how many are action. its a lot

portal bundle was like 2$ so i just picked it up lmao

and uh i love the dialogue so far in portal 1

[fiery coral]

[sweet bluff]

but yeah as much as i respect baba and portal 2 i dont like puzzlea

now dead cells on the other hand

absolutely do not regret fking amazing game

[fiery coral]

writing is Portal's greatest strength yeah

[sweet bluff]

srsly the dialogue is amazing in portal

[marsh ibex]

dead cells I probably wouldn’t like

Even though I am a roguelike freek

I just wouldn’t be able to force myself to do 5BC

[uncut citrus]

what was it about greymoor being to the left of the guilded city or something already?

[sweet bluff]

true its hard as hell and i play it when im bored of HK rn so

but dead cells is probably the best combat of any game ive played its addicting ima get more into it after im tired of HK

[normal token]

I stopped at 4BC

I think HAND is gonna be my second roguelite and getting early access of it

[sweet bluff]

what's hand?

[normal token]

Have a nice death

[uncut citrus]

eheh

[normal token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552eylG17Oo

[uncut citrus]

Hand

[sage glade]

[uncut citrus]

le funni

[sage glade]

bruh why are they off sync 💀

[lament lotus]

they arent?

[fiery coral]

genuinely didn't realise you were talking about Have a Nice Death until you pointed it out 🥴

[normal token]

On sync for me

[fiery coral]

just thought it was a game called Hand

[sage glade]

weird lol

[lament lotus]

leave this channel then comeback

[uncut citrus]

uhhh could you tell me actually whats going on about that? im continuing the map and so i was wondering what you mean by "bell city" and like swamp area stuff?

[sage glade]

les gooo

[normal token]

I'm too lazy to fully type it out except when people ask wtf is it

[stoic iron]

isnt the citadel the bell city?

Im confused

[uncut citrus]

i guess but theres also the "guilded city" or something

[sage glade]

i love the artstyle

[sinful flare]

how many cities are there in game

[lament lotus]

looks poger

[lament lotus]

dont think all the areas have been revealed yet

[uncut citrus]

at least 3 i think, greymoor place, bonebottom and the citadel/city

[sweet bluff]

Oh im a dumbass yes im totally getting thjat game

[uncut citrus]

but theres probably more

[sweet bluff]

SAMEE

[marsh ibex]

Skul should be your second roguelike

@normal token

[fiery coral]

Hades

[marsh ibex]

ligma

[sweet bluff]

hadees nuts

[sage glade]

joe

[fiery coral]

I used to pronounce it similar to, say, 'Blades' when I was younger 🥴

[stoic iron]

I'm sad that inscryption didn't win any awards at tga

[spark pine]

become silksong. 🧠

[sweet bluff]

wait
Hads?

[fiery coral]

yeah

[sweet bluff]

Heyds?

[uncut citrus]

ok but anyone knows why greymoor would be at the right of the "bell town"

i apprieciate the s but like does anyone knows

[stoic iron]

how would we know

[fiery coral]

I do not

[uncut citrus]

Arch_Imedes seems to know

[spark pine]

do silksong?

[spice wigeon]

i just want some news man 😦

[spark pine]

am silksong. 🧘‍♂️🧠🔮

[sinful flare]

😖

[small goblet]

who silksong

[sinful flare]

they

[uncut citrus]

OHhhhh bell city i see now

had to go thought all the edge screens again, so yeah bell city isnt the guilded city (at least it doesnt seems like it) so my map still makes sense

[ocean mulch]

It's spelled gilded btw
It means that something is covered in gold

[small goblet]

oh yeah you told about the map on thursday, is it done? (not rushing you if it isn't)

[uncut citrus]

ah i always said ill continue it today and maybe finish it friday (so tomorrow now) but its already better now

[small goblet]

okay, no need to rush

[uncut citrus]

here

[small goblet]

cool
btw what are idk areas? it's just you guessing there is something or there's reason for them to be there?

[uncut citrus]

yes

[normal token]

I made a poll in another server where if I should get skul or wait for HAND, HAND won

[uncut citrus]

just guessing

i mean i expect between 18-22 area, so ill put like 20 without counting sub area

maybe theres like 16 but i can hope ok

[uncut citrus]

your gonna wait long

[ocean mulch]

I just had a funny idea
Remember when TC said in edge there's an ability where hornet turns into something like a spinning top

[normal token]

Eh it's 3 months only

[ocean mulch]

What if she literally falls to the floor and continues spinning like a spinning top cyclone slash maniac

[small goblet]

what's hand? ||please no "hand over your nutz" joke||

[marsh ibex]

Fuck the poll

get skul now

[sage glade]

hand over your kidneys

it's have a nice death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552eylG17Oo

[small goblet]

oh, looks really cool, thanks!

[sage glade]

yeah i learned about it from this chat

@marsh ibex is your profile about me misspelled?

[marsh ibex]

I will ban you

[sage glade]

god if high school?

[marsh ibex]

now your name is a typo

[sage glade]

LOL wtf

[fiery coral]

wow Joker mod abuse

[sinful flare]

God if high school: Wtf ..

[sage glade]

mans changed my name instead of just editing his profile

[ocean mulch]

LMAO

YOUR NAME IS A TYPO
GET IT

[sinful flare]

Hey your message has a Typo in it ..

[ocean mulch]

Joker you've unlocked peak comedy

[normal token]

@ocean mulch hello choma

[sage glade]

no kidding

[marsh ibex]

I will demote you chrom

[ocean mulch]

I'm always here in the shadows

[sinful flare]

To be Honest, wrong . ..

[normal token]

I know

[sinful flare]

If joker Achieves peak comedy I

[drowsy isle]

Hey everyone what's going on

[sinful flare]

_ _

[sage glade]

_ _

[normal token]

If (joker == funny):
print("Oh my god Joker your so fucking funny)

[marsh ibex]

*you’re

[ocean mulch]

Your mom

[young saffron]

si- yea no..

[sinful flare]

if (joker == funny) throw new NotImplementedExceptio

[sage glade]

if (god): high school

[uncut citrus]

ok well brb

actually ill take a while to be back

[burnt topaz]

Bye bye

[marsh ibex]

@sage glade is this better

[sage glade]

consistent ✅

[sinful flare]

Yeah

[drowsy isle]

I think this chat has a bad influence on me I had a dream about Silksong today, I should have stayed banned

[drifting galleon]

if (silksong release is soon == happy) { Console.WriteLine("thank god"); } else (silksong release is soon -= sad) { Console.WriteLine("god dahm it"); }

[stark estuary]

Silknever

[sage glade]

first time?

[drowsy isle]

No

[sage glade]

good

[sage glade]

if (silksong release is soon == happy)
{
Console.WriteLine("thank god");
}
else (silksong release is soon == sad)
{
Console.WriteLine("god dahm it");
}

some formatting for you

[pallid flare]

colours

use camelcase wtf

not whatever abomination that is

[wooden sorrel]

Variable names can't have spaces

The linter wouldn't know how to parse this

[drifting galleon]

using System;

namespace silksong release :zote:  // I worked way too hard on this and please for the love of god don't ban me
{
    class Program
    {
        static void Main(string[] args)
        {
            Random rnd = new Random();
            bool again = true;
            string userInput;

            Console.WriteLine("Do you want to know when Silksong released? By randomly generated numbers the release date will be revealed. [y/n]");
            userInput = Console.ReadLine().ToLower();

            if (userInput == "n")
            {
                again = false;
            }

            while (again)
            {
                // show answer for release
                ShowPrediction()
            }

            void ShowPrediction(){
                int prediction = rnd.Next(0,5);

                if (prediction == 0)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine("Silksong will release in January!");
                }
                else if (prediction == 1)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine("Silksong will release at the same time as Cuphead's DLC.");
                }
                else if (prediction == 2)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine("Silksong will never release.");
                }
                else if (prediction == 3)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine("Silksong will release in 2023.");
                }
                else if (prediction == 4)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine("Silksong will release in 2069.");
                }
            }
        }
    }
}

[sage glade]

ma god

[nimble radish]

guys please

message too big

[ocean mulch]

Huge message

[wooden sorrel]

Spammy

[sage glade]

doesn't discord do that shortening thing for code?

[normal token]

Ew why use Java

[drifting galleon]

thats not spam, thats a good 5 minutes of code

[drifting galleon]

its C#

[haughty ingot]

jesus dude use a codeblock shit’s unreadable on mobile

[sinful flare]

you can do this (it works i just put backslashes before them to prevent markdown applying
```
code lmao ..
```

(btw posting text files will not flood the chat)

[cerulean sable]

oh yeah updated

[normal token]

Updated what

[cerulean sable]

"Death to those who defy Silksong" has now been rebranded to
"Death to those who defy Silksong*

includes clown emoters and Silksong spammers that participated in the Direct"

for real tho if you harassed the devs unironically fuck you

[sand pasture]

Oi

I'm back, it's been a while, whats good? What's new?

[cerulean sable]

nothing really

[wooden sorrel]

Nothing

[normal token]

There has been no news to report for silksong today

[sage glade]

@drifting galleon here i took the liberty to do it for you

[sinful flare]

silksong will release on 9090

[normal token]

I read that with ara's voice for some reason

[sage glade]

does anyone know where his accent comes from? bulgaria?

[sinful flare]

ahk2r will release on 9089 ..

[normal token]

AM3R

[drifting galleon]

ooo i should implenent a doagain feature in my code

[pallid flare]

dog again

[sand pasture]

I swear to god if TC releases Silksong within a month +/- of Elden Ring

The stress, the pressure of finishing both games

[cerulean sable]

bro use switch cases wtf

[pallid flare]

wait, yeah you should use switch cases in that case

[sand pasture]

Use an array >_>

[sage glade]

change filetype to .cs

[cerulean sable]

switch(var)
{
case 0:
Console.Writeline(etcetc)
break;
case 1:
Console.Writeline(etcetc)
break;
default:
Console.Writeline(etcetc)
break;
}

or better yet use a dictionary

[sage glade]

evil yandev be like:

[cerulean sable]

Dictionary<int, String> message = new Dictionary<int, String>();

message.addkey[0] = 'my message 0'

do not remind me of Yandere code

that is just, like, outright evil

also Pichu this is C#

[sinful flare]

System.IO.Directory.Delete(@"C:\Windo

[cerulean sable]

true

[brittle garnet]

what are your predictions on news/release
as in not only the time/date, but how it will happen

[sand pasture]

reeee

[drifting galleon]

just use my code for your answers PepeLaugh

[sinful flare]

Silksong most likely will be developed in C#

[cerulean sable]

Update trailer + 2 weeks

[trim estuary]

IO?? LIKE FROM FORTNITE???

[sage glade]

but when is update trailer

[cerulean sable]

i will pray to graig when he said theyll be using less playermaker FSMs this time

[sinful flare]

Yeah

[sinful flare]

Same .. !!!!!!!!!

[sweet lotus]

as a member of the Hollow Knight community I am ashamed for those people who rushed in such a way to express their desire to see Silksong in the Indie World

[cerulean sable]

at this point if it doesnt get hinted in December, either late 2022 or 2023

[sinful flare]

I'm suffering more from them using fsms because i cant open fsms because fsmviewer is crashing on my pc woozy face

[elfin parrot]

s gonna

[brittle garnet]

I think the opposite, if we don't get news in December then they're probably somewhat close

[sage glade]

ss chat is the last place i ever expected to see fsm in

[heady iron]

"In order to speed up development and appease impatient fans, we have decided to implement the game entirely in PlayMakerFSM."

[sinful flare]

I'm more impatient for AHK2R ..

[elfin parrot]

[cerulean sable]

accursed

never say this again

[heady iron]

this

[sinful flare]

I'm Gonna
Cry

[sage glade]

what's ahk2r ?

[sinful flare]

Another hungry knight 2 remake ..

[sage glade]

auto hotkey 2 redemption. oh

[cerulean sable]

Another Hollow Remake

[trim estuary]

They’re remaking hollow knight again??

[drifting galleon]

is it allowed if i just make hungry knight 3 lmao

[burnt topaz]

Again? They remade it once alreasy

[trim estuary]

That’s Silksong
You can make hungry knight 4

[sinful flare]

Yeah but it's a dst Rip off and not a Metroid Super rip off ..

[drifting galleon]

not if i finish it before silksong does

[cerulean sable]

i think the real silksong is the friends we made in this channel

that being said i wont hesitate killing all of you if it means i get silksong so dont get too warm and fuzzy with me

[pulsar trout]

🥺

[cerulean sable]

so true

benji ceruelan blog post when

[sage glade]

then i can say i never played silksong

[sinful flare]

I will leave you alone in a lunar island and take away all of your logs

[pulsar trout]

👀

[wispy burrow]

this channel should be archived and studied by philosophers forever

every event is just Hope vs Despair

[sinful flare]

I mean .. Silksong

[drifting galleon]

jokes aside, im shit at making actual good games, so you can forget hungry knight 4

[burnt topaz]

We have a lot of it documented on videos

[brittle garnet]

who's excited for Risk of Rain 2 dev update today?

[drifting galleon]

what does a RoR2 dev update contain

[trim estuary]

an update on development probably

[brittle garnet]

teasers for upcoming dlc

[drifting galleon]

dlc? 🤮

[empty ginkgo]

Fml one of my friends just sent me the original announcement tweet for silksong and I thought it was gonna be a release date

[burnt topaz]

Unfortunate

[empty ginkgo]

I didn’t check the age of the tweet and they acted like it was real, the bastard

[sinful flare]

The opposite of fortunate

[empty ginkgo]

I mean, it IS announcing silksong

[trim estuary]

it is real
…ly the old tweet

[empty ginkgo]

Yeah it’s the one from 2019

[haughty ingot]

a what

[cerulean sable]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.collections.generic.dictionary-2?view=net-6.0

literally hashmaps are the greatest thing created in man kind

[haughty ingot]

what are hashmaps

[cerulean sable]

yo uwant O(1) cheese, hashmaps are pretty much your meta

[fiery coral]

I only know hashing

linear and quadratic and all

hash functions I mean

[sinful flare]

Aren't hashmaps dictionaries but it doesn't use any specific type

[cerulean sable]

@heady iron help me here

[fiery coral]

nerds

[sand pasture]

using System;

namespace Silksong_Prediction
{
    class Program
    {
        static void Main(string[] args)
        {
            const string prepend = "Silksong will";
            var appends = new string[] 
            {
                "release in January!", "release at the same time as Cuphead's DLC.", "never release.", "release in 2023.", "release in 2069."
            };

            var rnd = new Random();

            do
            {
                Console.WriteLine("Do you want to know when Silksong released? By randomly generated numbers the release date will be revealed. [y/n]");

                if (Console.ReadLine().ToLower() == "n")
                    return;

                var idx = rnd.Next(0, appends.Length);
                Console.WriteLine($"{prepend} {appends[idx]}");

                Console.WriteLine("Again? [y/n]");
            } while (Console.ReadLine().ToLower() != "n");
        }
    }
}

A bit late but my contribution

[cerulean sable]

all i know is theres a venn diagram here

[heady iron]

the only hash function I know is the one that fills my belly

[cerulean sable]

so true

[agile kelp]

Is that what a hashmap is?

[sand pasture]

No that's a simple array way faster

[cerulean sable]

ngl my CS prof always uses hashbrowns as a reference to hashmaps for some reason

[wispy burrow]

**

**

[high hedge]

They taste about the same

[cerulean sable]

theyre like storage, where you get a "key" that allows you to immediately get the value stored in it

[sinful flare]

I never tasted a map before

[high hedge]

Then you haven’t been living

[dreamy lava]

Isn't it curious how Leth retweeted the Indie World afterwards, I guess for people not to go crazy, and still people went crazy

[sinful flare]

But I'll believe you

[haughty ingot]

that just sounds like variables to me

[cerulean sable]

so you can do stuff like

messageDictionary[0] = "Message 0"
messageDictionary[1] = "Message 1"
messageDictionary[2] = "Message 2"

i guess you can see them that way

but say youre storing multiple Unity game objects, you can use them to quickly get prefabs and shit

since you can use words as key as well

[sage glade]

so more like a collection of variables

[haughty ingot]

gotcha, dope

[cerulean sable]

spawnObjects["KillableZote"] = new GameObject(zote wtv).enable = false;

then just spawn the object via
GameObject zoteGO = Instantiate(spawnObjects["KillableZote"]);
zoteGO.Enable(true);

[sinful flare]

Cant you do something like a hashmap if you do Dictionary<object, object> ..

[cerulean sable]

yeah you can do it something like that

[sand pasture]

It's essentially a data structure that allows you to lookup things in O(1) time. Via hashing the key (what you index to get a value) into a hash-number. Say a string or literally anything else.

[cerulean sable]

but iirc it will use the object address as the key

which i guess WOULD work

[sand pasture]

Pretty good for when indexes aren't in numerical order (0, 1, 2 etc.) and you don't require the data to be sorted by insertion.

[sage glade]

but are there higher time complexity ways of looking things up then? just asking

[sand pasture]

Yes, like a linked list

If you have an index and the index isn't numerical then how do you look it up? How do you balance it so you can prune the search-tree?

[sage glade]

ohh, never considered indices to be anything other than numbers before

that makes sense

[cerulean sable]

but i guess the most simple way of using it is for spawning objects
unless you wanna do

for(int i=0; i<array.length(); i++){
if(array[i].name == "killableZote"){
Instantiated yada yada
}
}

imagine if you had 2000 gameobjects, and for HK that includes

• Projectiles
• Particles
• Soft environmental particles
• Debri
• Enemies
• Attacks
• etc

[cerulean sable]

yup

also its directly taken so its pretty much O(1) speed

[sand pasture]

Imagine having a list of Discord users and some relevant data say Messages Posted, etc.

How are you looking a specific user up in the collection? Probably via username (most likely actually user-id but lets ignore that for now)

[cerulean sable]

its like, if youre in a library, and they just gave you a "4th floor, 2nd shelf, 3rd book" to find your stuff

you dont have to traverse the entire library for it

[sand pasture]

Then again Hashmaps are constant, not necessarily the fastest depending on your dataset.

[wispy burrow]

imagine coding

[cerulean sable]

yeah im not the deepest CS knowledge but i remember reading it still depends on what youre getting

[sand pasture]

Also depends on the hash-function ^

[trim estuary]

imagine math

[sand pasture]

imagine imagination

[wispy burrow]

im like one of the only criminally online zoomers that is not into coding lol

I find writing, literature and history way cooler

[trim estuary]

Fair

[sage glade]

https://tenor.com/bBwLM.gif

[nimble radish]

I've never been online myself

[sand pasture]

Coding just appealed to me as a kid, I always wanted to make my own game.

[normal token]

I have an assessment related to scripting (python) tomorrow

[sage glade]

i'm more into math so these coding things are bit easier for me to grasp

[sand pasture]

I hate math, but enjoy coding. Math is cool, just not fun (for me)

[wispy burrow]

i did for a while and then i tried coding

i'd rather make the stories or design docs for a game

[sage glade]

ah, so are you more into applied stuff over theoretical?

[sand pasture]

No, just math. Love the other theoretical parts of academia, just not math, applied or otherwise.

[bitter jewel]

So what did I miss? What did I miss?

[sage glade]

well that sucks cause math is the language for most scientific stuff

[coarse leaf]

no silksong news this 2021

[sinful flare]

you guys stay on lines? why not stay on squares?

[bitter jewel]

Of course, at least we Omori on the switch

[radiant wraith]

I love coding, but I hate it when I have to deal with libraries or ides or different frameworks and all that

[sinful flare]

at least we Don't Starve Together on the switch .. now i can have more people to Play With ..

[cerulean sable]

if you wanna get into game dev then definitely at least learn basica algebra and trig

[sinful flare]

Trig?

[radiant wraith]

Trigonometry

[sinful flare]

Oh

[drowsy isle]

Why?

[radiant wraith]

It is necessary

Very very very necessary

Although I'm ignorant about how much an engine like Unity reduces the need for this stuff

[sinful flare]

Yeah .. I think im gonna suffer without Game Engine (Unity)

[cerulean sable]

cuz physics and movements

[sand pasture]

I have decently math heavy background so trust you me, it was pretty painfully to drag myself through the math heavy stuff. I can do it, I'm decent at it, but I find it completely uninteresting. Sort of like brushing your teeth, something I do but don't particularly enjoy. But you don't have to think something is fun to be good at it, you just need to learn it and understand it. Passion is optional but helps.

EDIT:
Removed the humble brag, didn't like it so I removed it.

[cerulean sable]

like you need to learn trig for projectiles

[radiant wraith]

I don't much like game dev myself. But game like projects feel amazing for practice and learning

If I used Unity I'd hate doing anything that is not code I think

[sage glade]

understandable. I just enjoy rulesets and what you can do within them, which is a common trait between math and cs

[cinder turtle]

i rlly like the design part of it, like 3d art and gameplay/story/environments stuff

[sand pasture]

Yeah I think that's cool. I wish I could find it fun. I value the math and do learn it (because I have too) but this is essentially me every time I need to learn/expand on some math knowledge

[pulsar pelican]

Anything on Silksong lately?

[radiant wraith]

No news for Silksong today

[languid linden]

Last news was pretty much a year ago

[coarse leaf]

isn't all of that pretty much automated in game engines?

[tawdry valley]

Not exactly

[coarse leaf]

from what i remember, you only rly tune values like gravity and velocity and stuff, and it's almost never representative of irl physics anyway

im not a game dev though, so i don't rly know

[tawdry valley]

Think about when you would want projectiles to navigate in certain ways, or apply specific angles of velocity to objects or enemies like the player.

[sage glade]

that's sad. I hope you find the end result worth it at least!

[tawdry valley]

Alternatively, how do you make an AI to actually react to the player or other AI

Ex: get an enemy to “aim” at the player

[coarse leaf]

yh, but im pretty sure unity automates alot of that by having bounding boxes for each object, and applying it's own physics for interactions between objects

[tawdry valley]

But the enemy shoots arcing bullets, not lasers

[coarse leaf]

i'd say at the very least you might need an understanding of how movement is affected by interactions, but i don't think you'd ever rly be calculating angles through trig and stuff, its more just tuning

[tawdry valley]

I’m sure unity has a lot of QoL around these kinds of things, but the point is that regular trigonometry is useful for programming behavior

I mean the most complicated thing you’ll need to know for game design is probably literally just at arc functions, cosines,tangents, and the distance formula.

Which is like, high school math

[small goblet]

sorry to interrupt your math discussion, but do you guys still believe in december news? ( / )

[radiant wraith]

I don't have an opinion

[languid linden]

Since TGA had nothing, no

[coarse leaf]

i'm hopeful till the end of this weekend, as it kinda fits with previous blogposts, after that i'd say no

[chrome dragon]

What's December

[sinful flare]

I dunno

What is it .. (Ironic)

[small goblet]

cool yes/no ratio, kinda expected that

[glacial sequoia]

the only thing i want to get in silksong is grubbys(or the same idea lol)

[high hedge]

Collectibles are fun

[radiant wraith]

I want ice cream in Silksong

[small goblet]

there are cute little fleas

[high hedge]

At least when done properly

[glacial sequoia]

bc
grubs>>>>>>>>anything

[uncut citrus]

[high hedge]

They sure are tasty

[glacial sequoia]

nice

[uncut citrus]

that meant "i am back"

[glacial sequoia]

ban

[languid linden]

At the beginning of the year I was pretty convinced that SS would come out before summer break

[high hedge]

[small goblet]

does that look fucking tasty? /j

[high hedge]

Mmmmm gushers

[agile kelp]

What is that thing

[uncut citrus]

guess?

[glacial sequoia]

everyone think that, now we are clowns

[reef scarab]

It will, just not the summer break you were thinking of

[sinful flare]

Insert daily put on your clown makeup gif in ss Discussion ..

[small goblet]

like summer break of 2023?

[uncut citrus]

could be

hoping for summer break of 2022 tho

[radiant wraith]

Whenever summer break is for you

[uncut citrus]

it means a time in a year

[radiant wraith]

I have summer in a different time

[sinful flare]

December?

[sage glade]

the hell is that

[uncut citrus]

my breaks are really wierd and they'll change soon anyways so idk when would be the best for me for a SS release

[small goblet]

i googled "flea" and that's first that came up lol

[uncut citrus]

do ppls dont know what feas are?

[sage glade]

bruh, i'm deserting them fleas now

[radiant wraith]

I thought you'd find a guy playing bass

[languid linden]

Kinda hard to believe that Edge was a year ago

[small goblet]

why

[radiant wraith]

Hornet didn't rescue a single grub tho

[languid linden]

I wish that TC gave us more regular updates

[sage glade]

yes of course, i just wish to play in character

[radiant wraith]

I guess she thinks grubs deserve confinement

[opaque sigil]

I mean Edge was a solid 1-2 years worth of news in and of itself

[sage glade]

they should have released 1 page yearly

[opaque sigil]

ig they could have staggered it or smth but it's easier this way

[languid linden]

I guess

Idk, I feel like a couple screenshots every few months would be nice

[drifting galleon]

all the people who say y'all are clowns would rather have a cyberpunk launch experience for silksong instead of an elden ring launch experience

cause im sure of it that silksong will be flawless when it finally comes out

[languid linden]

Plus it would take like, 10 minutes at most

[opaque sigil]

Maybe but then they would have to show more than wanted or use updated versions of old ones

[young saffron]

for all the ppl waiting 😳

[opaque sigil]

That underestimates how much care TC would probably put into image selection

[drifting galleon]

they would sell the screenshots as nft's

[young saffron]

I would like an update on development :O

[languid linden]

Idk I feel like a few screenshots of random rooms that look kinda cool wouldn't be much in a game as big as SS

[opaque sigil]

If they're going to do screenshots they should be selected cautiously, not at a whim

[coarse leaf]

yh, doing that on their twitter or smthn would probably have been a decent way to build hype

[languid linden]

Okay so like a day if they wanted to be really thoughtful about it

I would totally prefer a few screenshots a few times a year than the game coming out a week or two earlier

[opaque sigil]

And even then they'd run into issues with making every screenshot meaningful

[sage glade]

could just show a few common enemies every now and then

[opaque sigil]

They do that

[uncut citrus]

yeah they gotta not reveal too much, also im pretty sure little things like seeing MG moss from the very side of the screen once, and seeing blazes in that other ones are like intended? they are pretty subtle and good to try to figure out where the areas are

[small goblet]

like once

[sage glade]

yeah 2019 to 2020.5

[opaque sigil]

Like every time they release something

[sage glade]

none in 2021, right?

[languid linden]

Yeah which is about twice a year

[opaque sigil]

Twice a year is every couple months

[languid linden]

I thought a couple was 2-3