sk-discussion

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[modest night]

i mean it's not even a disconnect at this point it's giving best content creator award to a guy who cheated and did the whole normal pills bs

[normal token]

Sonic

[stark estuary]

:lifeispain:

[marsh ibex]

I mean

To be fair

Dream was probably voted because people knew him

I knew literally no one else on that list

[modest night]

yeah

[potent plover]

It makes sense that the tools we understand are all red tools

[modest night]

strange it didn't have well known creators ngl

[rapid topaz]

Because Sonic is a game, but I understand it isn't the right place to that

[marsh ibex]

hell that’s why I was voted for the broadway bound superlative

[candid oyster]

fireborn should have won

[modest night]

omg please not the tool discussion limbo again

[marsh ibex]

fireborn wasn’t even a nomineee

[viral orchid]

I read: life is Spain

[verbal trench]

coryxkenshin shouldve been creator of the year </3

[modest night]

why do people like fireborn so much

[elfin swift]

put best content creator jacob geller at the game awards darnit

[rapid topaz]

Honestly Daily Silksong News should have won the content creator contest

[candid oyster]

there was also matrix, and no one cares for a matrix game : )

[marsh ibex]

because he’s my brother

[verbal trench]

cus hes cool and based

[modest night]

idk he doesn't seem special at all

[marsh ibex]

no, you didn’t care about a matrix game

[rapid topaz]

I didn't knew that lol

[marsh ibex]

just because it’s something you didn’t want doesn’t mean no one wants it

or liked it

[stark estuary]

I'm really excited for Among Us 2

[candid oyster]

all triple a games honestly look the same

[serene patrol]

At least "have a nice death" looks good

[silver oak]

I don't think his personality is that interesting, but the content he makes is really high quality

[marsh ibex]

contrary to popular belief, the world doesn’t revolve around you

[marsh ibex]

Bruh

[dusty nimbus]

The death game with the grim reaper looked cool

[marsh ibex]

two bad takes in a row

[blazing geyser]

Jacob Geller does good essays

[modest night]

is it tho

[ocean mulch]

Why do people hate on triple a so much

[verbal trench]

true. but also nobody wanted elden ring
(this is a joke. this is a joke. this is a joke. this is a j

[coarse leaf]

i know what u mean, kinda agree

[silver oak]

Have a nice death?

[modest night]

idk seems basic

[dusty nimbus]

[marsh ibex]

Because they’re kids on an indie server

[stark estuary]

Also there was that Sonic game that got leaked on 4chan ages ago and ig the trailer gives that leak more credibility which suggests the game will suck

[modest night]

i think he got famous for being a wr record holder for a while but nobody even knows pest

[blazing geyser]

Because double a batteries are better

[rapid topaz]

All animes looks the same 🥴 (joking obviously)

[marsh ibex]

I remember that, but I swear the leak didn’t mention it being open world

Which the game probably is

[coarse leaf]

yeah, let's discuss about concepts for a new game

[stark estuary]

Nah it did

[marsh ibex]

really?

[stark estuary]

It even mentioned the Ubisoft Towers, which we see

[marsh ibex]

also it’s sega they’ll fuck it up somehow

[silver oak]

Pest didn't capitalize on the world record holder title like Fire did

[marsh ibex]

Even though the fucking fans have made so many good open world sonic games

[coarse leaf]

Sonic 2006 2???

[potent plover]

does anyone think "Misted Moors" could refer to the gloomy aquatic area?

[marsh ibex]

the last good game was mania, and the last good 3d game was generations

[silver oak]

The hunters videos are really cool, and the god gamers series is very nice as well

[modest night]

it's honestly sad so many people didn't know about anyrad until fireborn talked about it the modding community does cool stuff

[marsh ibex]

and mania was fucked over by being an anniversary game and having to redo old zones for NoStAlGiA

[ocean mulch]

It's greymoor

[stark estuary]

Yes, because at this point Sega acknowledges that the fanbase can make better games than they can. Hence, Mania.

[stark estuary]

Generations was also an anniversary game

[coarse leaf]

No - the area with the barnacles and boats, they meant

[candid oyster]

i found some anyrad video on youtube before fireborn tried it and honestly its insane

[dusty nimbus]

I think the modding community lacked advertisement which it got be Fireb0rn

[silver oak]

I think I heard about a few modded radiances before like Atomic Radiance but yeah it is pretty single minded

[ocean mulch]

Misted moors refers to greymoor

[potent plover]

Nevermind

[ocean mulch]

The same way mossy grotto is moss grotto

[marsh ibex]

That was before sega sucked off nostalgia

also the leak was… this thing right?

[stark estuary]

Yeah

[potent plover]

what do you think the gloomy aquatic area is called?

[elfin swift]

partially 'hate popular thing' impulse, partially also that the modern AAA market is driven by games that get massive, truly gigantic budgets, and thus have a mandate from their funding sources to get equally huge returns on investment by selling as much and to as wide a demographic as possible. so AAA games kinda skew towards uninteresting mass demographic appeal with very diluted creative visions. that combined with basically no workers' protections in unions or safety means there's a huge turnover rate, so AAA studios cant retain consistent veteran teams, they just eat up creatives and burn and replace them immediately

[normal token]

Sonic Frontier's main level designer is still the same one as Last World's/Forces

[coarse leaf]

There wasnt really a reason to know it, its just a shit post

[marsh ibex]

Fucking damnit it’s gonna be dogshit

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, I wish there was more new stages, bcz they were so good

[candid oyster]

something about coral probably

[drowsy isle]

hi

[stark estuary]

Oh shit we also see the final boss in the trailer

[wheat crypt]

The new Sonic movie trailer looks pretty good anyhow

[jovial falcon]

I feel like the sonic origins game will be good, but idk if it counts as a comeback since it’s just a collection of old games

[potent plover]

I doubt that

[stark estuary]

The big tree thingy

[verbal trench]

the new sonic trailer looked dope, might watch the first one because of it

[coarse leaf]

Open world Sonic game is really cool

The Sonic Movie is fine ig

[wispy burrow]

i still find it hilarious they renamed it from sonic ranger to this

they got self conscious

[coarse leaf]

I hope it isn’t TOO open…

[dusty nimbus]

The modding community does do cool stuff but when there is no one to observe it then it's like it never happened like everything else in our world, if you never use your voice will anyone observe you so that the fact that you existed even is recorded?

[marsh ibex]

I’m scared for sonic frontiers mostly because I have huge distrust of sega and they showed no gameplay

[potent plover]

I'm talking about the gloomy aquatic area with barnacles and those things

[stark estuary]

Yeah, in theory. But remember this is Sega we're talking about.

[marsh ibex]

basically just cgi and environment

[coarse leaf]

Oh, right…

[modest night]

60-70 euros per game ugh

[wispy burrow]

its also coming to nintendo switch

last time they planned to make a next gen game on nintendo hardware was sonic 06

[stark estuary]

Bout to run at 5fps

[coarse leaf]

Open World Sonic game could work, but idk, like, I can't imagine a sonic game without it being linear

[marsh ibex]

Just look at fangames

[coarse leaf]

I mean, yeah, but it's Sega

[marsh ibex]

Like green hill paradise act 2 or sonic utopia

[jovial falcon]

That begs the question, will there be a new engine or will they use the old one

[marsh ibex]

Again true

[stark estuary]

Open world Sonic can definitely work, not in practice though (Sega moment)

[marsh ibex]

Hedgehog engine might be able to run the huge open world

[haughty ingot]

december 13th

[drowsy isle]

80 euros for a remake

[marsh ibex]

oh amy is in sonic frontiers

[potent plover]

Just remembered I'm going to the theatres on Dec 13! thanks for the reminder

[velvet ruin]

Hollow Knight 3D when

[coarse leaf]

It wouldn't work

[haughty ingot]

have fun there

[verbal trench]

hi ara

[dusty nimbus]

Will there be CHAOS in the game?

[stark estuary]

No Big the Cat???!?!?!!?!?!

[haughty ingot]

[verbal trench]

no news today?

[haughty ingot]

nah

[verbal trench]

sad.

[potent plover]

Wait no that's Dec 14, What's happening on December 13??

[verbal trench]

December 13th is a popular date for Team Cherry

[potent plover]

what has happened on 13 so far

[verbal trench]

apparently most updates are made on that day but i dont know, just heard it from someone else

[coarse leaf]

Posts in their blog

[stark estuary]

I feel like Cuphead DLC got a release date at TGA just to spite the TGA Cult.

[coarse leaf]

Cuphead DLC announcement tho

It was really good

[empty tree]

and among us vr

[stark estuary]

Among Us VR looks like it'll take GoTY 2022 ngl

[empty tree]

probably game of the 21st century

[stark estuary]

Even though it's still early I feel like that's a pretty safe bet

[empty tree]

yeah

[wheat crypt]

Have a nice death looked pretty good too

[empty tree]

yeah

[coarse leaf]

This was fantastic
https://youtu.be/J77phNrJtns

[stark estuary]

In fact, I'll bet my life savings on Among Us VR being the third best game of all time (after the original Among Us ofc, and Bubsy 3D.)

[empty tree]

idk among us vr might just be better then among us

def not better then bubsy 3d though

[stark estuary]

Yeah that's gonna stay as the gold standard

[empty tree]

i mean it won the esteemed golden X award

[stark estuary]

Absolutely

[marsh ibex]

random pic posting is a thing of yesterday

[stark estuary]

No other game has ever come close to winning the Golden X award

[empty tree]

yeah the only thing wrong with it is that it got a 95% instead of 100%

[coarse leaf]

Ok, so, a genuine question: In games, do you prefer controls or level design?

[formal karma]

one that incorporates the other

[stark estuary]

Both

[true vine]

in order to have good gameplay you need good level design

[empty tree]

a game can be fun without good design

[formal karma]

i mean i guess technically mechanics... because you can have good levels but nothing to do with them would be butt

[blazing geyser]

I mean a game needs both good level design and good movement to really feel good. If you have good level design but terrible movement and/or combat, you'll still hate it. If you have great movement and combat but are just on a plain flat surface, it'll be pretty boring.

[coarse leaf]

That's obvious, but let's say that you make smooth controls and the levels are just too short or either not interesting

[marsh ibex]

Do you mean in a one or the other scenario

level design then

I can work around shit controls but not a shit level

or well, it’s much harder to work around a shit level

[stark estuary]

Question wasn't controls vs level design

[coarse leaf]

It was tho

[empty tree]

yeah

[stark estuary]

what

[verbal trench]

controls is a part of gameplay

[marsh ibex]

Based on this, it is definitely controls vs level design

[stark estuary]

Gameplay encompasses more than just controls

Level design is also a part of gameplay

[marsh ibex]

but if the gameplay experience is wayyyy too hampered, good level design won’t save it

[blazing geyser]

I mean really level design is an aspect of gameplay. Take mario maker, people can way enhance boring bosses with an interesting arena layout.

[stoic charm]

They both go hand in hand

[marsh ibex]

Kirb be quiet

[stoic charm]

The gameplay is bad if the level design is bad

[empty tree]

not really

[stoic charm]

The gameplay is good if the level design is good

[empty tree]

crab game was fun and that game sucked big dick

[marsh ibex]

Sonic forces

[stoic charm]

I don’t mean controls, that’s a different subject

[coarse leaf]

I meant controls btw

[stoic charm]

oh

[stark estuary]

Had shit controls and shit level design

[coarse leaf]

Controls vs Level Design, that's the question

[stoic charm]

Controls

It doesn’t matter if the design is good if you can’t even play it

[tawdry valley]

Sonic colors and sonic generations are the last sonic games I played and they fucking slapped

[paper tinsel]

I think gameplay or level design question doesn't make much sense. The gameplay is pretty much everything, controls, movement, combat, level design, enemy design, etc.

[stark estuary]

Well they ruined colours

[marsh ibex]

They meant controls

[stoic charm]

Sonic generations and sonic overrated

[marsh ibex]

colors is not overrated

it was lauded at launch because it had been a while but not any more

[tawdry valley]

Fuck you, I was 12 years old and flashing lights = cool

[empty tree]

soinc colors was fun

[stoic charm]

Sonic colors ds was more consistent

[marsh ibex]

It’s a solid game, just has issues

[naive flax]

I feel like I should leave this server before I get too sad...

[marsh ibex]

man colors ds slapped

[stark estuary]

Colours had witty writing

[stoic charm]

Fr

[naive flax]

cyall, I will be back in a couple of months

[marsh ibex]

I will hurt you kirb

[coarse leaf]

But you would need to deal with bad levels

[stoic charm]

Also I don’t think sonic colors is bad, just overrated lol

[stark estuary]

[gilded adder]

Kirb Your Enthusiasm

[stoic charm]

Bad level design can still technically be fun if everything else feels great

[coarse leaf]

Like, imagine playing Bubsy 3D with Super Mario Odyssey controls

[marsh ibex]

BaLdY McNoSeHaIr

So, a worse game

[empty tree]

that would be horrible

[stark estuary]

That... was my name on Pokemon Showdown like 5 years ago.

[gilded adder]

Nice

[stark estuary]

Evidence

And yes it is a great pun

[coarse leaf]

So, uh, Rain World is a metroidvania?

[gilded adder]

I think? Kind of? I played a bit of it while ago but don't remember much.

[paper tinsel]

Mario Odyssey levels are average though, it's the controls and mobility that makes them enjoyable.

[wispy burrow]

this team is soo gen 7

z arceus yeah?

[coarse leaf]

I mean, New Donkey City and Wooded Kingdom were good levels

[placid ether]

Luncheon is good too

[empty tree]

i didnt like luncheon too much

[wispy burrow]

New Donk is fun for me to play but don't care for its other parts

Like, I find the music okay and the graphics/style subpar

its also the least fun for my replays because it's like 20 moons

[coarse leaf]

I mean, a Metroidvania is about progress along as you get new items, but idk if Rain World does something like that

[placid ether]

Blasphemous isn't a metroidvania then

[wispy burrow]

Lake Kingdom
Wooden Kingdom
Fossil Kingdom
Luncheon Kingdom

my favorites maybe

[placid ether]

Seaside Kingdom was just the worst, so boring

[stark estuary]

Was Gen 7 Ubers yeah. That's Fairyceus.

[wispy burrow]

i love the skips in lake kingdom

[modest night]

rain world does it once with the mark idk if it counts

[placid ether]

Bowser Kingdom is the best one IMO

[wispy burrow]

lake kingdom is standard fair on first playthrough

then next time you realize you can skip 1/3 of it

bowsers kingdom is a straight line

[coarse leaf]

I felt that Lake Kingdom was kinda bland tbh

Wooded Kingdom is one of my favorite kingdoms, there were was just too much to explore

Fossil Kingdom is great, but a little too short

Luncheon Kingdom is a really good kingdom

[placid ether]

I like first going in a straight line and then exploring each bit in Bowser's

[wispy burrow]

Wooden Kingdom has some annoying ones in post game

[empty tree]

wooden kingdom is great until you fall down

[wispy burrow]

Fossil Kingdom was like. A reward. For being a Mario fan. It felt great

[coarse leaf]

But in a metroidvania, you get items in early-game to end-game in order to progress

[placid ether]

Yeah, the forest part is so boring

[wispy burrow]

the dinosaur in the forest should have ohkod

like, once you realize it does one damage

it stops being scary

[empty tree]

its still cool

[coarse leaf]

Like, most of the times, you will need to have some item in order to progress in the game

[placid ether]

What's the worst Hollow Knight area? I'd say Howling Cliffs

[empty tree]

like worst design or worst like you hate it

[wispy burrow]

there is no worst hk area

i love all of them

[placid ether]

Worst design

[modest night]

yeah i was saying i don't know if it counts as in i don't think it does 🥴

[gilded adder]

ok, how about least liked?

[wispy burrow]

i love my children equally

[stark estuary]

hmm

[verbal trench]

Today is December 13th, 2021. This is Ari Gibson, your host for today, bringing you your daily Silksong news. There has been no news to report for today. This has been your daily news for Silksong for today, December 13th, 2021.

[gilded adder]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-canston-you-got-me-guilty-gif-4316985

[empty tree]

worst designed area is probably howling cliffs yeah

[stark estuary]

I'd go with uhhhh yeah HC

[coarse leaf]

But like, it is mandatory for you to get this item to progress?

[empty tree]

the one i hate the most though is fog canyon

[wispy burrow]

i dont like the abyss as gameplay

[empty tree]

and only because of delicate flower quest

[modest night]

actually ive never tried ascending without the mark

but yeah probably?

[fallow night]

what about it is bad?

[slender karma]

No worst designed is dirtmouth because zote is there

[stark estuary]

My favourite area aesthetically would be KE

[empty tree]

not much is bad about it but not much is good

[coarse leaf]

Then in theory, Rain World could be a metroidvania yeah

[modest night]

sounds like a huge stretch tbh

[placid ether]

The abyss gameplay is good IMO, it's so exciting when you get a reason to go back and try something new and unexpected

[wispy burrow]

no

[empty tree]

yeah abyss is fun

[uncut citrus]

KE got a really cool feel yeah, but i think ill go with CoT, the music with the rain gives an even better feel imo

[verbal trench]

abyss true escape is fun

[stark estuary]

KE just has a nice desolateness to it and serves as a reminder that, even though to the characters in the game Hallownest is the world, the world is actually much, much bigger than that. It also has Wyrm flakes which is a plus.

[coarse leaf]

I hate the Volleyball moon from Seaside Kingdom tho

[placid ether]

I disliked the Whispering Root in KE with the primal aspids and the dumb fall

[coarse leaf]

It's just so boring

[placid ether]

You know what HK part is god-like design-wise? The elevator shaft is so cool to parkour across

[warped umbra]

yay chat has recovered

[slender karma]

I haven’t

[warped umbra]

i literally didnt even watch the whole thing, i just watched till the imagine dragons bit because i love them lol

[empty tree]

tbh my least favorite part of hk were the elevators

[slender karma]

TGA insta account really played with my emotions

[warped umbra]

i didnt expect anything to be on there

it didnt feel right with the type of games they were showcasing there

[coarse leaf]

Cuphead's DLC presentation was really good

[empty tree]

yea

[slender karma]

Yea it almost made up for the lack of ss

[empty tree]

almost 😢

[formal karma]

i mean it more than made up for it, considering it wasn't going to be there :S

[empty musk]

im gonna be so rusty at cuphead when i go back holy

[nimble vessel]

I was sad there was no botw either

[empty tree]

yeah idrc silksong wasnt there

[warped umbra]

hollow knight is popular and well known but i feel like it'd be presented in a more indie or metrovania specific showcasing thing because a more concentrated audience towards the game

[coarse leaf]

Same, idk, I just felt like every game had the same art style (realistic ) and that every game felt the same thing but with some twist

[formal karma]

honestly there were zero reasons to think it would have been

[warped umbra]

because i know tons of my friends that dont even know what hk is

[surreal crown]

Isn't there an indie world this December?

[coarse leaf]

Besides Elden Ring, Cuphead DLC and Have a Nice Death, idk, really

[formal karma]

unfortunately

[coarse leaf]

We don't even know

[warped umbra]

oh no

not again

[slender karma]

Yeah they kinda crammed all of the weird stuff into the pre show and then the rest was AAA

[surreal crown]

oh yeah

[modest night]

i hope everybody has learned from their mistake yesterday and won't believe during the direct

[torpid crystal]

Can't wait to get clowned again

[feral falcon]

From what I heard someone saying around here, it can be either this month, or april 2022

[wanton crest]

[formal karma]

i mean it's beena whole year since last time and they haven't

[empty musk]

Clown time!

[coarse leaf]

Tbf, I want to see some game that is different

like, some game with new ideas

[surreal crown]

It's alright to believe. Just manage your emotions like an adult especially around others

[modest night]

nintendo games pauseshroom

[sinful flare]

N

[modest night]

not about to buy a new console

[empty tree]

i believe most people in this discord are not adults

[modest night]

hopefully they'll show stuff that's also on steam

[formal karma]

that's the thing, though, I CAN"T believe that most of the people here are adults (that are clowning and such)

[modest night]

that's because they aren't

[feral falcon]

But what if i'm not an adult 🤔

[sinful flare]

Yeah imagine clowning 😡

[coarse leaf]

I thought most of the indies in Indie World was both on Steam and Switch

[surreal crown]

Uhhhh.....

[formal karma]

half, or thereabouts

[modest night]

isn't it a normal direct this time

[coarse leaf]

I don't think so, we got 2 directs this year already

[median coyote]

my biggest disappointment last night wasn't the lack of silksong (because i didn't expect it in the first place) but that Have a Nice Death wasn't a metroidvania

[formal karma]

i think if we actually go a whole year without news, i'll be disappointed for the first time

[modest night]

roguelik/tes are cool

and have a nice death looks cool

ggs

[surreal crown]

At the very least I believe that there will be some sort of check-in on the part of . It's happened every December for the past 3 years.

[gilded adder]

We need a shroompause emote and a shroomweird emote to go alongside

[modest night]

it exists

[feral falcon]

Tbh, Silksong can either appear in a normal nintendo direct, in indie world, or in a blogpost by Team Cherry, either way, I'm okay by Team Cherry staying silent tbh

[coarse leaf]

Have a Nice Death's trailer was genuinely charming

[empty tree]

yeah

[slender karma]

Holiday sign off 🤞🤞🤞

[modest night]

i just don't remember who made it and they never submitted it anyway

[true vine]

nice

[median coyote]

oh no absolutely im not saying im not gonna play it or im not hyped

[gilded adder]

[median coyote]

i was just a bit saddened cause like

[verbal trench]

lets go, holiday sign off!!!! were hopin for u

[median coyote]

i saw the trailer and i was instantly hyped cause everything about it screamed hollow knight and metroid vania, at least to me

[empty tree]

cant be a sign off if there was no sign on

[modest night]

wait i don't get it how does it look like hk

[surreal crown]

Alongside Have a Nice Death there were a bunch of other games that genuinely surprised me. Definitely not as horrendous as last year's TGA.

[formal karma]

buuuut it's not 100%

[median coyote]

and i was like "this will be the perfect game to tide me over until silksong"

[warm bone]

Not last one, that we had edge tho (wrong reply)

[median coyote]

game seemed to have a very similar look and feel, at least in my opinion

[empty tree]

there is a guy with a white face

[torpid crystal]

I think this month would be a good time for some news from TC, it has been a while

[small goblet]

🤞 please team cherry have a holiday sign off

[empty tree]

and thats kind of it

[feral falcon]

Have a Nice Death is genuinely so cool looking, heck, it even looks fun to play

[coarse leaf]

Ig people just say that bcz of the main's character design

[surreal crown]

Edge was just a sign off but even better

[slender karma]

That one steampunk game looked cool

[verbal trench]

tunic was cool

[empty tree]

there were so many shooters though

[median coyote]

nah tbf i was kinda second guessing myself so i went back through the footage again

[empty tree]

and yet i remember 0 of them

[modest night]

damn can't believe the knight was actually death all along

[median coyote]

there were a lot of moves the mc used that kinda resemble hollow knight attacks

[verbal trench]

the knifht is DEAD!!!!!!!!!

[median coyote]

u even have funny shade cloak dash

[verbal trench]

(CANON)

[heady iron]

the knight is the embodiment of death

[sinful flare]

This is actulaly cannon what

[feral falcon]

The only ones that I can remember are that borderlands-like game, and that suicide squad game, the others were literally ctrl c ctrl v

[fallow night]

i mean, can't say it's life

[slender karma]

The knight is 100% completely alive and well and they are currently having tea with elderbug

[empty tree]

only one i remember is the game GTFO and thats only because one of my friends is obsessed with it

[median coyote]

and the game does seem to play somewhat similar to hollow knight's boss battles in that there's heavy emphasis on dodging and using your movement options

idk it still looks very cool! will definitely play when early access comes out

[empty tree]

there are so many games like that

[median coyote]

there are so many games like your mom

[verbal trench]

isnt that just a basic gameplay mechanic

[empty tree]

yeah

[modest night]

🥴 ah yes the groundbreaking mechanic of dodging

invented by hk

[empty tree]

team cherry are true genius'

[coarse leaf]

No way! Dodging!

[formal karma]

eeeewww

[surreal crown]

Can't believe we didn't have dodging before HK

[empty tree]

like once dark souls added rolling the game was forever changed

[drowsy isle]

is "have a nice death" going to be a metroidvania

[coarse leaf]

So glad to see AAA games taking inspiration from Indie devs

[true vine]

because that's where dodging originated

[coarse leaf]

this looks so cool

[median coyote]

i mean im not saying hollow knight invented the mechanic but i can't think of a lot of 2d platformers that handled combat in the same way it does

[true vine]

yeah, it does

[coarse leaf]

Like, the combat seems so smooth

[surreal crown]

The art style is definitely unique

[empty tree]

every mario game

[modest night]

did you know we didnt roll irl before dark souls showed us how

[drowsy isle]

NOOOOO it's a roguelite

[coarse leaf]

Have A Nice Death is better than Silksong

[potent plover]

what game are we talking about?

[heady iron]

not really unique, but it's stylish

[empty tree]

it might be like dead cells

[modest night]

yooo it's a roguelite

[heady iron]

Tim burton-esque

[coarse leaf]

Replay value!

[drowsy isle]

[nimble radish]

I assumed it would be from the title

[median coyote]

ah yes i remember when i played mario 64 and instantly flashsteps out of the way to avoid the bowser's fire breath

[true vine]

bugs didn't exist until nature blatantly plagiarized ari's ideas

[coarse leaf]

That's not really a bad thing tho

[formal karma]

i mean he's right- since it'll exit before silksong it will be better by default

[wispy burrow]

I dislike the roguelike/lite style

[drowsy isle]

anyway i'm still probably going to get it but I was hoping for a metroidvania

[empty tree]

this guy has never jumped over bowser jr and then had to jump on its head

[gusty sage]

Roguelikes are fun

[coarse leaf]

Hey, come on, I already beat the secret ending of Spelunky 2

[surreal crown]

Have you tried Hades by chance?

[normal token]

Can't die if your death itself

[modest night]

tboi time 😤

[heady iron]

did you beat cosmic ocean tho

[gusty sage]

Play gungeon

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-cells-gif-21288759

[median coyote]

i like roguelikes/ites but they're very hit or miss for me

[empty tree]

try risk of rain 2

[coarse leaf]

I took a break from it bcz I was doing 100% Super Mario Odyssey, but eventually I will try it out

[empty tree]

risk of rain 2 is what got me into roguelikes/lites

[serene chasm]

damn. you have me beat

[coarse leaf]

Homonculus that is possessing a body*

[median coyote]

they tend to either be very poorly balanced or not balanced at all, the truly balanced ones are rare

[drowsy isle]

I refuse to comment

holy shit what am I doing with my life

[coarse leaf]

Dark Souls 3 is genuinely good so those hours are justified

[normal token]

Slaz nice pfp

[surreal crown]

Yeh I'm normally not a fan of roguelikes but then I got addicted to Hades and ETG is pretty fun as well

[median coyote]

like i love isaac but it has dogshit poopoo balance even with the repentance dlc

[drowsy isle]

thanks it's because i'm a huge dream fan

[verbal trench]

what would be categorized as a roguelike? ive never played one

[empty tree]

me and my friends were #1 tribe in msm for a while also

[modest night]

i didn't like hades it kinda got boring fast

[potent plover]

Hang on lemme screenshot my terraria page

[modest night]

well more like

[normal token]

Same, I love dream too

[verbal trench]

at least i dont think ive played one

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[modest night]

i liked it but i don't want to open it again

[empty tree]

same

[normal token]

I haven't played Hades yet

[serene chasm]

Hades wasnt a great roguelite IMO.

[true vine]

there will be no news this year

[modest night]

yeah

[scenic cipher]

I've got a 1,000 hours in TF2

[median coyote]

this isn't even my full time also, i have several more hours from my old account and several other console ports

[true vine]

unless you believe that in three days a blogpost will be posted
but I sure don't

[potent plover]

[coarse leaf]

I like some good puzzle games like Baba is You, but hey, it hurts my brain, so I can't really play it that much

I don’t though

[surreal crown]

Try 3,000

[true vine]

you guys need a life lmao

[surreal crown]

That game is so fun

[empty tree]

it is

[median coyote]

@verbal trench the main name of the game is procedural generation with roguelikes

[true vine]

yeah bloons games seem fun

[pallid flare]

get on bloons

[empty tree]

bloons td battles 2 also came out recently

[drowsy isle]

I need a life

[coarse leaf]

Oh yeah, I also like games like Don't Starve and Overcooked 2

[median coyote]

not all games that use procedural generation are roguelikes though

[surreal crown]

Let me guess. Wormroot Wormwood is your favorite character?

[marsh ibex]

I will slap you

[median coyote]

it's hard to explain and i dont even think im fully sure of the true defining factors of a roguelike

[potent plover]

wormroot

[coarse leaf]

Wilson is the best and everyone knows about that.

[drowsy isle]

do you think it's because hades was a roguelike

[empty tree]

I love walter

[surreal crown]

Thanks

[nimble radish]

hades definitely isn't a pure rougelike

[coarse leaf]

Oh no its Lori, hide

[nimble radish]

love you too

[potent plover]

[coarse leaf]

Rougelike

[modest night]

he's right you just haven't played many roguelites

[tulip olive]

sooooo, when is silksong releasing?

[coarse leaf]

Don’t utter those words, or else I will use my secret weapon against you!

[surreal crown]

[nimble radish]

oh no I'm so scared

[potent plover]

one day

[coarse leaf]

Fine. Check this out…

[coarse leaf]

I heard good things about Rogue Legacy tbh

[tulip olive]

sad noise

[verbal trench]

i have no clue what that means

[marsh ibex]

no, it was a good roguelite

[empty tree]

guys it already released

[modest night]

it was ok but doesn't make you want to reply

[coarse leaf]

🐫🐪 🐫🐪 🐫🐪

[modest night]

did you dm graig for that

cringe

[tulip olive]

wut?

[nimble radish]

what?

[coarse leaf]

You know what I’m talking about…

Still, everyone knows that the best roguelike is Spelunky 2

[serene chasm]

Sure. I really dont care to figure out the difference. The overall fighting was pretty fun, but going through the same levels got old. Once I beat the story there really wasnt much reason to keep going. I really liked it as a game, but as a roguelike game, it isnt my favourite

[nimble radish]

really I don't
I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with camels

[coarse leaf]

And you won't convince me that there's better roguelikes

[wispy burrow]

ive never played dark souls

[modest night]

yeah hades looks amazing has cute characters and greek mythology is very poggers but it very much didn't make me want to replay it

[drowsy isle]

you should

[dusty nimbus]

The best Roguelike is Buddhism

[tulip olive]

i cant buy it from steam

[serene chasm]

Dusa is best girl

[coarse leaf]

It's just so addictive to the point that the RNG and BS of the game was actually really fun

[surreal crown]

My friend loves Dark Souls but I've never been able to get into it. With Elden Ring coming out I wanna try again tho

[modest night]

why are clown memes so high quality

[nimble radish]

buddhism punishes using the combat mechanics it's a boring rougelike

[drowsy isle]

I'm watching a video about dark souls 2 and simultaneously think about how bad of a game this is and want to play it at the same time

[empty tree]

you have to get it through stadia

[proud dagger]

Gungeon is my favorite roguelike personally

[empty tree]

my favorite is risk of rain 2

[lone steeple]

Because pain

[pallid flare]

y'all played noita?

[modest night]

yeah

[dusty nimbus]

The more you progress the more the game changes though

[proud dagger]

I couldn’t really get into hades tbh

[coarse leaf]

Spelunky 2 is not a fair game, but I still love it so much

[serene chasm]

BoI will always be mine

[modest night]

based

[proud dagger]

I played Noita a bit, been a while though. I’ll have to get back into it at some point

[drowsy isle]

gungeon was fun

[surreal crown]

I wanted to like Noita but I ended up getting nuked too often

[empty tree]

same

[pallid flare]

that's the entire fun of it

[coarse leaf]

Tboi is really that good tho?

[dusty nimbus]

Sometimes the combat system changes altogether Buddhism is the most revolutionary game out there

[vale narwhal]

Gungeon pog

[proud dagger]

Had trouble working out how exactly the magic worked

[marsh ibex]

This is the literal only high quality clown meme

[serene chasm]

Nuclear Throne > Gungeon

[marsh ibex]

@lone steeple #hk-meme

[pallid flare]

tboi cost me quite a bit of my money

[coarse leaf]

it's like, $40 on switch

[vale narwhal]

You're objectively wrong

[pallid flare]

it isn't all that much for what it is but that may be because I didn't get far

[modest night]

idk i like tboi because it's the game that got me into pc games and kinda made me better at using a kb

[lone steeple]

I have so much you dont even know

[modest night]

like it was my very first steam game

[empty tree]

Risk of rain 2 > Gungeon imo

[marsh ibex]

you have what so much

bad grammar?

[surreal crown]

Nuclear throne was awesome back in the day

[pallid flare]

why did someone react with

[vale narwhal]

Cope. Gungeon superiority.

[hollow sedge]

risk of rain 2 is the best roguelike imo

[lone steeple]

Imagine pointing out grammar to someone posting clown memes

[dusty nimbus]

[empty tree]

thats not how opinions work

[coarse leaf]

I never played Risk of Rain 2

[pallid flare]

i paid for it why'd you react with ????????

[stark estuary]

You... have a point.

[vale narwhal]

Risk Of Rain 2 has a good soundtrack but its loop is annoying and its goal feels meaningless

[coarse leaf]

Ok, so, anyone have some interesting concept for a roguelike?

[proud dagger]

As different as Gungeon and HK are they both give the same vibe of “how does this game keep having even more content”

[dusty nimbus]

[pallid flare]

yeah ror2 is somewhat... pointless? you aren't really getting anywhere

[serene chasm]

RoR2 is a great podcast game. Just set it to drizzle, and become a god

[hollow sedge]

uh i mean theres a final boss for the game to beat, there isnt suupposed to be a final goal

[pallid flare]

I asked, chaos

[vale narwhal]

Ooh me! You gotta promise not to steal it though

[stark estuary]

Basically you play as a lil skeleton dude and you change heads and it completely changes up the playstyle

[vale narwhal]

Yes, once you beat Providence there's no point

[marsh ibex]

waiiiit a second

[hollow sedge]

risk of rain 2 is fun because of the endless combinations with items

[dusty nimbus]

[empty tree]

its fun with friends to keep going as long as possible

[coarse leaf]

[vale narwhal]

goNNER?

[surreal crown]

I did a while back I think. Everytime you get enough XP (would be temporary per playthrough) and level up the world in your immediate vicinity would change. You could plan leveling up in different areas to get different challenges and thus different rewards.

[hollow sedge]

gunfire reborn is also pretty good, its a fps roguelike

[marsh ibex]

you’re a ninjaa

that’s it

[empty tree]

omg thats genius

[stark estuary]

who's thag

[marsh ibex]

My dad

[empty tree]

isnt thag the guy from croods

[coarse leaf]

Ok, so, what about a roguelike that every 1 minute, fully changes the level?

[stark estuary]

idk didn't watch croods

[tight linden]

JoJoker you’ve fallen to the DD cult

[empty tree]

what is dd cult

[stark estuary]

Deez Duts cult

[tight linden]

A group of hopeful optimists who think we will get news this month

[coarse leaf]

I mean, it sounds cursed, yeah, but it could be fun

[empty tree]

oh im in DD cult then

[hollow sedge]

we'll get news in december for sure

[tight linden]

Sad.

[empty tree]

i have been predicting december news since august

[surreal crown]

There's a new cult? Count me in

[tight linden]

Literally the most foolish thing to say Wissa.

[empty tree]

youre a foolish thing to say

[hollow sedge]

who said i wasn't a fool

[tight linden]

Get blocked.

[vale narwhal]

Please don't steal my ideas, it's happened in the past :(

[vivid belfry]

There was news at TGA

[stark estuary]

The sceptics always win. We were right last time, we'll be right this time, then I'll change my name to Kirb | (I told you)^2

[vale narwhal]

No?

[marsh ibex]

It’s not a cult

It’s a division, a legion

[vivid belfry]

Among us VR

[marsh ibex]

WE ARE WARRIORS

[coarse leaf]

Ok, so, what about a game that you have every upgrade from start but you lose your items as you progress through the game, so you will need to find a way not to lose your items to beat the game?

[marsh ibex]

KEYBOARD WARRIORS

[viral orchid]

Hollow Knight VR

[tight linden]

Joker stop talking I have you blocked and you’re clogging my channel

[stark estuary]

Among Us VR was indeed news, the best news in fact.

[empty tree]

HELL YEAH

[tight linden]

LETS GO BABY BIG FACTS

[coarse leaf]

Tbh, it could be interesting

[marsh ibex]

ok

I

Will

Stop

[hollow sedge]

i cant wait for The December Awards, we'll get news there

[marsh ibex]

Talking

Just

For

You

Citadel

[vale narwhal]

Call it Ruster or Corrode

[marsh ibex]

Knight

Also

Known

As

Phraxette

[stark estuary]

Mod abuse

[marsh ibex]

Seethe and cope

[coarse leaf]

Like, it would be fresh and it would add a little challenge to you deal with

[vale narwhal]

You start with random OP abilities and have to downgrade them as the fame progresses

Game*

[vivid belfry]

The problem with losing options as you move forward is that it goes against the learning curve

[tight linden]

Geez joker that was a little obnoxious

[stark estuary]

That sounds painful

[marsh ibex]

Then don’t block me nerdface

[empty tree]

reverse hades

[coarse leaf]

That's why you would need to keep your items since the start of the game

[vale narwhal]

Well you have to adapt and stay strong even when your broken stuff is gone

[vivid belfry]

You start HK with almost nothing because you are a little baby dumbass who barely understands how soul works

[tight linden]

That’s 2 messages from you im not reading

[uncut citrus]

did someone called me?

[vale narwhal]

It's just a reverse roguelike

[empty tree]

no i mean literally reverse hades

[uncut citrus]

haha funny cause words looks alike

[coarse leaf]

Like, you can still beat the final boss without any items, but it's much harder

[stark estuary]

Geez joker that was a little obnoxious*, there, I fixed it.

[tight linden]

Anyways joker have fun being wrong. DMs are open whenever I’d you want me to call you wrong more.

[empty tree]

isnt he blocked?

[coarse leaf]

That's why you would want to keep your items with you since the start of the game

[vale narwhal]

Well no I was thinking the final boss IS hard BECAUSE you're so weak

[stark estuary]

the final boss is actually the easiest boss mechanically

[marsh ibex]

ok

[coarse leaf]

The final boss would be already hard with every upgrade, without any upgrade would make it basically impossible to you to beat

[stark estuary]

Not necessarily

[tall hinge]

joker i appreciate you

[vale narwhal]

They're all pretty simple, but you get weaker so in comparison it takes MORE skill to survive

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, bcz you could learn the boss' patterns and stuff like that

[vale narwhal]

You have to strategies what you can live without and what stays.

[coarse leaf]

But it would be much harder to beat it without any items

[empty tree]

the final boss should be the exact same as the first boss but now you have to fight it with no upgrades

[ocean mulch]

:3

[nimble radish]

theres a thing called balancing based on what items you're supposed to have at that point

[vale narwhal]

Like do you want to lose a heart container to keep your good gun? Or lose maximum ammo to stay alive?

[vale narwhal]

That's... the point.

[ocean mulch]

What game are you talking about

[nimble radish]

a concept for a reverse rougelike

[stark estuary]

The story could be something like "You are god but you're slowly dying as mortals no longer worship you" with the first boss being like, satan and the final boss being a random thug after you've been diminished to the point of being killable by a regular human.

[vale narwhal]

Unlike other Roguelikes, instead of the game getting more threatening, you get less powerful

[dusty nimbus]

[coarse leaf]

That could be a good idea tbh

[vale narwhal]

Maybe it's just a rusting machine

[stark estuary]

That works

[empty tree]

yeah and at the end of the game it turns out you just needed an oil change

[proud dagger]

I’ve heard a lot of people independently come up with the idea of a game where you get weaker as you go on as the main mechanic but no game that has ever become successful with that mechanic which probably means it’s not that fun

[fringe pulsar]

qssss olkdp,j

[potent plover]

I know it's hornet in a blanket, But it just looks like she's very royal to me

[pallid flare]

problem is that you usually want to become stronger and not weaker

[vale narwhal]

Like it's a killing machine that was built for genocide, but its power is waning and you need to complete your objective before you end

[stark estuary]

Yeah I doubt it would work in practice.

[pallid flare]

Thematically, it's a cool idea

but gameplay wise probably not

[vale narwhal]

You could also make a trade system. Lose this/gain this

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, I mean, it's a good concept, but it would be just a pain

[stark estuary]

Goes against the learning curve, you'd start with too many options and end up with not enough.

[vale narwhal]

Like you sacrifice health but gain more ammo

Or gain a buffed gun but lose the ability to run quickly

[proud dagger]

That on the other hand I just don’t think is an interesting enough idea to carry a whole game

[vivid belfry]

I think HK is a case study in the fact that you don't need a gimmick to have interesting gameplay

[proud dagger]

It could work as an individual mechanic in a game but not as the core

[vale narwhal]

HK very much has a gimmick

[empty tree]

it does?

[proud dagger]

I’d say the soul meter is the core gimmick of the game

[empty tree]

thats just mana from other games

[vivid belfry]

Hyper light drifter did it first

[coarse leaf]

But the soul meter is versatile and that's what it makes fun to use

[vale narwhal]

Lmao what

[vivid belfry]

Not better mind you

[stark estuary]

That's a pretty basic magic system yeah

[tall hinge]

@pallid flare

[empty tree]

bar that goes down when you use spells and goes up when you kill things

[vale narwhal]

Healing is through syringes, and magic stems from a stamina bar. You get AMMO from hitting stuff

[vivid belfry]

But the loop of "use melee attack to get magic" isn't breaking new ground

[pallid flare]

hi pitta

[vale narwhal]

...somehow

[potent plover]

Hollow knight doesn't have many "Unique" mechanics, Not that that is bad at all

[empty tree]

yeah its not a bad thing

[stark estuary]

If anything HK's main gimmick would maybe be focus? Although other games have similar mechanics.

[pallid flare]

you can't be original nowadays

[vale narwhal]

This isn't really silksong so let's move this chat

[vivid belfry]

Of course not, that's the argument I'm making

[coarse leaf]

You can, but it's much harder to suceed

[stark estuary]

ss discussion is never on topic

[empty tree]

not like theres any silksong to talk about

[vale narwhal]

Ok

[vivid belfry]

I'm not the kind of guy who bitches about the gaming journalism industry but I think there's too much of a focus on high concepts to sell games rn

[potent plover]

Do you guys think Romino will be a "Good guy"? He seems like a nice man to me

[proud dagger]

I’d say a resource that you can use either for healing or for more damage isn’t a super common concept

[vivid belfry]

"What if [popular franchise] but [high concept]"

[stark estuary]

I don't care about Romino

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, also, shooters

[potent plover]

well he seems to be pretty important

[vale narwhal]

I played a cool demo called Sword Swallower recently

Super satisfying and has cool movement

[proud dagger]

It’s most common in RPGs where most characters are specialized for either damage or healing anyway

[potent plover]

He is technically one of the first characters shown

[empty tree]

whos romino?

[pallid flare]

the fabled conductor

[stark estuary]

some dumbass

[analog forge]

Tbf, high concept stuff is fun

[potent plover]

the guy who made Pharlooms folly at the start of the game

[vale narwhal]

I had a cool idea for a game once called [Insert cool and original title here]

[empty tree]

ohh ok

[vivid belfry]

It can be, but sometimes it feels like it's just there so you can say it's there

As an example, I don't think the messenger would be any worse off for ditching the dimension swap mechanic

Dandara is a good example of a wackass concept used effectively

[vale narwhal]

The idea was that you were a snow golem thing. Magic was also your health, because you used Ice to make the power. Casting more powerful stuff meant you were more likely to die.

[potent plover]

Is it just me or do the enemies in silksong feel like they have more HP?

[empty tree]

silksong isnt even out yet

[stark estuary]

Which in itself doesn't necessarily mean he'll be of great importance to the overall narrative. Monomon wrote the Elegy of Hallownest but isn't really that important of a character all things considered. We know nothing about Romino atm, he could be a random side-character.

[empty tree]

or are you going off the trailers

[potent plover]

looking at the demos and stuff

[vivid belfry]

Idk we haven't seen anything take more than 5 hits that isn't a boss

Moss bugs take 2-3 hits, exactly in line with crossroads

[vale narwhal]

Hornet also hits faster, too

[vivid belfry]

Moss mother goes down in like 10 seconds if you know what you're doing

[proud dagger]

Maybe it’s just that Silksong enemies are more able to block your attacks

[potent plover]

the skull bugs in FoB/deep docks take like 7 hits

[proud dagger]

So it looks to you like they’re taking more hits

[empty tree]

we dont even know the progression of the game yet

[vivid belfry]

I forgot those were enemies because they act more like walking silk refills

[empty tree]

maybe the church lady gives some sort of power up and makes it easier to kill the skull bugs

[vivid belfry]

I think that's the functional use of "Goomba" enemies as TC called them

[trim estuary]

HEY GUYS

[potent plover]

I was just going to say that

[empty tree]

like a big ass hammer or something

[potent plover]

or maybe you can just upgrade your needle

[empty tree]

nvm i can not imagine hornet with a hammer

[uncut citrus]

oh ok so thats not original enough

[proud dagger]

I can’t imagine Hornet with a different melee weapon than the needle at all

[potent plover]

I don't know why you would have an upgrade specifically for a type of enemy

[uncut citrus]

also its silksong related

[stark estuary]

Good job

[uncut citrus]

so its not off topic from the channel

[empty tree]

there was something like that in sekiro where certain weapons worked better on certain enemies

like what if the drill item thing does more damage to the bone people but does less to other things

[potent plover]

That would be cool I guess

[trim estuary]

Bye guys

[empty tree]

bye?

[potent plover]

we have seen like 13-17 bosses in silksong, Isn't that cool?

[uncut citrus]

oh my "diffrent weapon" theory is that you can add special upgrades to your needles kinda like charms but they are all passive effects, you c an get more "notches" thought your adventure and diffrent "charmes" that gives for exemple + 20% range, +10% attack speed, "Sbody" so no KB from hits, small tweaks like that for your weapon to customize it while staying the same needle, which would be pretty complicated but theres no need for many of those "charmes", just like 10 would be enough and you can have at most 4 of them at once

[empty tree]

more like 7

[potent plover]

Pretty sure we have seen more than that

[proud dagger]

I think that making weapons that deal more damage to certain enemies is way less interesting than just making their abilities work well against that enemy

[opaque sigil]

That is not a complete list of things we've seen

[empty tree]

oh really

[nimble radish]

they're probably the named ones or something

[empty tree]

im not too caught up on the silksong news

[proud dagger]

Like homing weapons that you can use against fast enemies but do less damage than other projectiles

[feral falcon]

There is that boss in the coral area, and also that giant robot

[empty tree]

last judge is the giant robot

[opaque sigil]

No

[potent plover]

I think we have seen like 10+ bosses actually

[nimble radish]

going womeb

[opaque sigil]

Last Judge is not the golem we see in the trailer

[proud dagger]

So if you’re going against slower/non-flying enemies you’re better off choosing a different tool

[native ivy]

do you think we will fight lace twice like hornet in hollow knight 1

[feral falcon]

No, they're two different bosses, just look at the designs

[stark estuary]

LJ is the tall bug who resembles the Scholarly Suite and has Void dripping from its eyes.

[proud dagger]

We’ve already seen her in two arenas so yes

[empty tree]

anyone got a pic of the giant robot?

[nimble radish]

thanks kirb

[empty tree]

oh wait just remembered what it looks like

[proud dagger]

Potentially even more than twice

[native ivy]

godhome 2

[brittle garnet]

I had a similar idea, I really hope that some similar system will be in place for needle upgrades, instead of damage, and also then those upgrades wouldn't take up tool slots and compete with more interesting effects

[nimble radish]

we really appreciate your input

[uncut citrus]

we saw some that could be more like mini bosses, like the bell beast is definitively more than a normal enemy but is it fully a boss?

[stark estuary]

Any time

[empty tree]

its prob just a mini boss

[opaque sigil]

Bell Beast is a full boss

[uncut citrus]

oh we know that?

[opaque sigil]

She has her own specialized arena and everything

[mortal bluff]

That’s just a reg enemy…

[coarse leaf]

Ogrim confirmed in Silksong

[proud dagger]

I lean towards Bell Beast being a full boss, she has an arena and multiple unique attacks that don’t seem to be based on anything else

[nimble radish]

is that what makes something a boss

[brittle garnet]

of course Bell Beast is a full boss, why would anyone think otherwise????

[stark estuary]

There's actually a very clear lore reason for this.

[feral falcon]

OH MY GOD OGRIM WILL FALL INTO THE LAVA, SOMEBODY HELP HIM

[nimble radish]

*lorr reason

[opaque sigil]

By any reasonable metric bell beast is a full boss

[potent plover]

It does 2 masks of damage, and Sends bell projectiles from the floor and ceiling, I'm pretty sure bell beast is a full boss.

[wanton crest]

the real boss was the deaths we suffered along the way

[empty tree]

no it is just liquid shit

[proud dagger]

I mean soul warrior is a miniboss and he just uses generic slashes and the same projectiles as the other soul sanctum enemies

[stark estuary]

skill issue

[native ivy]

bosses are just enemies that have more health and sometimes music

[potent plover]

and there is more than 1

[feral falcon]

No, enemies are bosses who are weaker, and appear in random areas

[nimble radish]

not in regular game there isn't it's the colosseum that does that
and colosseum has mawlek which is a real boss

[uncut citrus]

dont forget Grand Hunts, silksong might have some strong enemy that are between bosses and mini bosses, not fully any of those that are "Grand Hunt", tho the bell beast is your fast travel so its probably not a quest

[opaque sigil]

There are two soul warriors outside of colosseum

[empty tree]

what if bell beast is a grand hunt

[nimble radish]

oh yeah

[uncut citrus]

woudnt make much sense since you will get fast travel anyways

[nimble radish]

shade soul I forgot about that

[proud dagger]

That’s definitely a good point, I have been considering the possibility that Grand Hunts are a special lesser boss category, sort of like the dream warriors

[opaque sigil]

Distinguishing between boss/miniboss is pretty arbitrary

[empty tree]

yeah

[stark estuary]

The game itself doesn't have such a distinction

[potent plover]

Man it is very hard to decipher/describe what is a boss and what is a miniboss

[feral falcon]

What is this bell beast that everyone is talking about?

[opaque sigil]

The fast travel bug

[stark estuary]

Both mini-bosses and bosses are treated the same in HoG

[feral falcon]

Ooohh okay

[native ivy]

husk guard is my favourite boss

[brittle garnet]

I think Grand Hunts will just be bosses. Brooding Mawlek or Nosk type of things

[wanton crest]

but more dynamic maybe

[nimble radish]

bleedin mawlek

[stark estuary]

People have theorized Grand Hunts will be bosses/minibosses yeah

[brittle garnet]

wym?

[uncut citrus]

dream warrior are considered as "bosses/minibosses" for they are in godhome, but are they are kinda stronger than a mini boss but weaker than a full on boss, so that could definitely be the case of grand hunts

[stark estuary]

ehrm

[wanton crest]

like you need to follow the bug, it escapes and so on, like a hunt

[brittle garnet]

nah

[wanton crest]

oh

[native ivy]

james my beloved

[empty tree]

isnt that what bell beast is gonna be like?

[wanton crest]

kinda

[brittle garnet]

that's too contrived and hard to fit into a game like that. It's also way too much work for a whole category of bosses

[wanton crest]

unless ??

[uncut citrus]

be ready for Kirb abut to disprove my life

[potent plover]

maybe a hunt can lead to those common enemy onslaughts you did in Hollow knight, Like colo trials but not as big

[stark estuary]

I have chosen to spare you

[pure nymph]

Imagine basing your entire leak off of 4chan and a coincidental** d a t e c h a n g e.**

[fast valley]

can we all agree that dream winning game awards > silksong reveal (I'm joking please don't kill me I dont like dream)

[wanton crest]

because "go to [place] to kill X" can be pushed further i think

[native ivy]

the date changes every day pffff

[pure nymph]

Yes (dream stans don't kill me)

[empty tree]

true though because dream wears a mask to cover up the darkness and so does the knight

[native ivy]

dream sucks :hollowdefault:

[uncut citrus]

thank you

[mortal bluff]

Guys December 27th for sure

[fast valley]

TRUE

Dream was the influence for the knight confirmed?

[native ivy]

dream knows silksong's release date confirmed

[brittle garnet]

see, the "Quests" won't be like other games where it tells you all the information you need, it'll just be general hints

[pure nymph]

And yet you ALL fell for it because the game awards were yesterday. At least base your rumors from facts and logic. This isn't the 1980s when the internet first came out lol

[fast valley]

ok if anyone takes this out of context to make me look like a dream fan I will cry please don't

[native ivy]

no i mean the current date literally changes every day

[empty tree]

june 6 release date confirmed

[pure nymph]

ah.

[wanton crest]

yeah true

[native ivy]

silksong is actually cancelled as a game its now an interactive netflix show

[empty tree]

hell yeah

[wanton crest]

preach as we say even

[empty tree]

wait why are we actually talking about silksong in the ss-discussion chat

[brittle garnet]

the quests will most likely be
[Quest Name]
[NPC name] of [Place name]
Oh golly can you help me with [task]? [flavor dialogue]

and that's it, you gotta find the location/items yourself, do it, and then you also have to find the Quest Giver

[empty tree]

i hope its not lame tasks

like find one specific item and bring it back

like itd be fine if theres a mini boss or something like that on it

[wanton crest]

that seems plausible indeed

[pure nymph]

Imagine basing your rumor over a date change. couldn't be me.

[empty tree]

but just finding an item on its lonesome is so boring

[uncut citrus]

@pure nymph idk about the reddit, but the TGA thing has been going on for a while, wayyy before that and basically everyone knew the 4chan "leak" didnt mean much

[potent plover]

supposedly wayfarer will be all about secret areas, I assume you can Only access these secret areas through the correct quest?

[empty tree]

what even is the 4chan leak

[wanton crest]

who believe 4chan leaks anyways

[pallid flare]

no one put trust into the 4chan leak, where are you getting this from?

(referencing the message from #hk-discussion)

[brittle garnet]

and it's not like "Accept Quest > Do Quest > Return"
The Quests aren't their own special thing. You will be able to do them without ever reading it on the notice board. The "Quests" are just things in the world that you can do anyway, and the formalized "Quests" are in actuality just Hints/Pointers to stuff you can do. They are functionally no different from Grey Mourner asking you to deliver the flower.
This is just conjecture of course but this is the best way to implement them into a game like Hollow Knight

[pure nymph]

wasn't the date change from a 4chan post? I could've sworn it was on there.

[pallid flare]

i dont think so...?

[empty tree]

i hope it is nothing like delicate flower that was horrible

[pure nymph]

Welp, my bad. But still

[rapid topaz]

4chan leaks be like "Hey I know that portal 3 release tomorrow trust me my cousin made the game at valve"

[empty tree]

oh ok

[rapid topaz]

Sorry I didn't wanted to mention you

Respond*

[empty tree]

all good

[potent plover]

what do you think grindle's "Information" will be?

[wanton crest]

more lore for mossbag to interpret

[small goblet]

next progression item?

[empty tree]

hes gonna bring up a secret passageway to somewhere

[potent plover]

Like Elderbugs hints on where to go next?

[glossy jackal]

At this rate there will be no plant or bug life in Silk song because of the amount of salt

[uncut citrus]

probably help to find quest item or like enlderbug giving you advice on what to do next depending on your items, bu since its wont be true everytimes it might get funny

[small goblet]

well elderbug's ones are really vague

[potent plover]

Since you are paying, grindle's hints might be more specific?

[brittle garnet]

I think Grindle's information will always hint you on REAL things, but there will be something wrong with the information, or misinterpreted, or missing. Grindle will be like Patches. He will tell you that he saw a treasure laying around and when you get there it turns out that there is a boss guarding it.

[potent plover]

That sounds like a good idea

[small goblet]

yeah, that's how i see it

[empty tree]

or the bastard takes your money and runs off with it

[small goblet]

very likely lol

[empty tree]

thta would be funny

[wanton crest]

milibelle

[empty tree]

i was thinking more like fountain where he repeatedly takes your money until he eventually gives you something

[potent plover]

Speaking of Milibelle, I hope there is a ( trustworthy ) bank in silksong, Since Pharloom is more populated and otehr stuff

[empty tree]

i kinda doubt it

[wanton crest]

yeah yeah don't worry

"trustworthy"

[uncut citrus]

gindel is said to give you false info soemtimes

[empty tree]

ooh thatd be fun

[olive bobcat]

Everything Grindle says is a lie
Nothing is true

[brittle garnet]

there won't be a dedicated bank since you can just bank your money yourself in certain places or at shops

[uncut citrus]

then you know that what he said cannot be correct, nono, you need to have a few true things so that when he tells you theres loot somewhere, you dont know if thers actually loot or if there isnt

[cedar trench]

grindle

graig

they even sound similar

[potent plover]

maybe a bank with a limit? Idk

[uncut citrus]

[empty tree]

graig never gives false info

atleast not unironically

[native ivy]

graig is cool

[potent plover]

Maybe like, A limit of 5000?

or maybe you can pay to increase the limit

like 1000 > 2500 > 5000

[opaque sigil]

You have the strings, why would you need a bank? It's just extra steps

[coarse leaf]

Am i a clown?

For believing in ss on Indie Direct?

[tawdry palm]

So is this purely "this is a cool idea" or is this something theyve hinted at?

[stark estuary]

If you are not a sceptic then you are a clown by definition. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

[native ivy]

[hexed sparrow]

wait what

[empty tree]

you either a clown or a sceptic

[coarse leaf]

I mean I have some doubts but i just want to be happy

[hexed sparrow]

is there a direct? even without ss those are awesome

[coarse leaf]

Not yet confirmed but probablt 14th December will be one

[proud dagger]

What makes you say that?

[coarse leaf]

Considering other december ones were on 2nd Tuesday of the month

[slow beacon]

My neighbor is doing a gender reveal party tomorrow maybe SS will be there

[potent plover]

You could have unlimited strings But it costs rosaries to make them, and it's free to put money in a bank, But there is a limit, Just some ideas.

[coarse leaf]

Or maybe 3rd tuesdays? Idk

[brittle garnet]

It's my speculation, but think about it, It's the best way to implement the Quests without them feeling out of place.

[tawdry palm]

It is the best implementation, but thats just overall a truth that applys to like, 70% of games with quests, yet its a very uncommon stance taken

[proud dagger]

I think the difference regardless is that the new quests are probably gonna have a section in your menu where you can keep track of the quests you have active, although I’d kinda prefer if they didn’t so they were just something to keep in mind

[opaque sigil]

Well I don't see a problem with keeping notes there about what quests you've seen on a board, that's not the same as, say, putting a big marker on your map

[proud dagger]

That’s true but I still think having a big checklist of the quests you’ve seen makes the game feel a bit less exploratory

[brittle garnet]

eh, does it?

it's more like a reminder list

[opaque sigil]

Well it could be voluntary, ie you press A on the quest on the board to put it in your log, and you don't have to do it

In that case you can just not interact with the system whatsoever

[proud dagger]

Regardless, I think we can all agree that the quests shouldn’t activate a unique thing that wasn’t there before you accepted them, and they definitely shouldn’t put a marker on your map

[opaque sigil]

Definitely not the former, although I could see a case being made for the latter, similar to the compass argument

[potent plover]

Yes, Please no markers.

[sinful flare]

oh hey guys

we're looking for silksong in space for the third time now

[proud dagger]

I still think that encourages a boring “activate all the quests and go to all the markers” play style rather than just exploring around

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, I wouldn't use them

[fallow night]

i'm not too fond of the temporary tool system
i liked charms since they worked permanently aside from like baldur shell

[still owl]

whats that?

[true vine]

they're stuck in the past

[brittle garnet]

that's one of the categories of tools, the other 2 are probably passive like charms

[fallow night]

oh, didn't know that (hopefully that's the case)

[brittle garnet]

yeah, the red tools are Active that have limited uses, but the yellow and blue tools are probably passive

we don't have confirmation but it's likely

[tawdry palm]

At the very least you have crests, which seem to be charms

But with a layer of paint

[brittle garnet]

the Crests are more like the notches