sk-discussion

[feral falcon]

Probably 60% (for me at least)

[verbal trench]

theres definitely a high chance of it being announced with the information we’ve gotten recently

[signal crag]

Tammo would likely complain a lot rn

[agile herald]

What information

[verbal trench]

along with team cherry’s history with December

[mellow cliff]

Everything will end when we will see
Leth is typing…

[stark estuary]

no lol

[signal crag]

huh, lemme get a thing

[fervent kindle]

i like to keep my expectations low so i don’t get too disappointed, 20%

[agile herald]

Pretty sure you’re all being bamboozled again

[pallid flare]

I'm putting in 10% at most

[signal crag]

#sk-discussion message

[naive flax]

tomorrow, #hk-announcements get's a ping....

[proud dagger]

Silksong is canceled

[naive flax]

NOOOOOOOooooo.......

[feral falcon]

NOOOOOooooo!

[burnt topaz]

no we'll stil be seeing several people are typing

[buoyant pumice]

We’re all getting hyped over nothing.

0% hope so if something does come it’s a surprise

[stark estuary]

Copium > Hopium

[primal oriole]

I'd say there's a solid 20% chance

[naive flax]

Imagine that is what the announcement is lol

[normal token]

I expect mass pings if there is no ss at tga

[buoyant pumice]

5%

[stark estuary]

How'd any of you arrive at those percentages

[verbal trench]

WHAT THE HELL MY HORNET PLUSHIE IS ALREADY HERE

[primal oriole]

no thought

[agile herald]

1% chance

[naive flax]

I am guessing this is what you think the chance is for SS to not be at TGA?

[proud dagger]

Crunched the numbers

[primal oriole]

if it makes sense to my brain for 2 seconds then I say it

[verbal trench]

MYLA STICKER!!!!!!!!!!!

[buoyant pumice]

Silksong confirmed

[stark estuary]

Spoiler: ||Myla dies lol||

[buoyant pumice]

The chance of it actually being there is 5%. It probably won’t happen.

[verbal trench]

she never dies in my heart

[pallid flare]

hand reveal

[lament lotus]

i think they're aware if they bought the sticker

[stark estuary]

/woosh

[verbal trench]

i use they

[lament lotus]

oops sorry

[buoyant pumice]

Don’t you clownkin me

[stoic path]

The fact that Leth hadn't said anything though

[stark estuary]

Is irrelevant

[pallid flare]

he didn't say anything for gamescom either

[stark estuary]

Leth doesn't need to say anything he doesn't want to

[pallid flare]

or the last 5 events

[radiant wraith]

And detective work goes on and on and on

[stoic path]

Oh

[mellow cliff]

Will you be able to watch TGA? If yes, please hold this sticker very firmly

[feral falcon]

Leth tommorow: "Oops guys, forgot to talk about it, uhh, silksong won't be at TGA, sorry lol"

[mellow cliff]

Leth says something only if people speculate around him

[pallid flare]

guys what if leth lyises????

[lament lotus]

hmm yeah leth yes very nice

[stark estuary]

Or maybe he just doesn't want to play with the fanbase's expectations

[verbal trench]

trust me ill have my hollow knight hoodie on, my shade pin on, and ill have this sticker on my phone

[proud dagger]

Posted 12 minutes after the end of TGA

[mellow cliff]

Oh yeah that’s what I’m talking about, everyone take notes

[verbal trench]

i wont have the hornet plushie directly with me since ill be getting it on christmas but itll be in the house

[steep basin]

We have to pray

[stoic path]

Guess we have to wait for TGA

[steep basin]

It's just one day away

[signal crag]

like we didn't guessed that already

[stoic path]

I know you guys know about TGA

[verbal trench]

actually im gonna put the sticker on my sketchbook

[misty shore]

Man, ive been so hyped for TGA possible SS announcement that I forgot that there was a goddamn spiderman movie coming out.

[fervent kindle]

i know that there’s a fair amount of evidence pointing towards ss being at tga, but i feel the same amount of idiotic excitement i feel when i see that indie world intro; im making myself have not to high expectations. just in case.

[lament lotus]

2 to be exact

[pallid flare]

guys we're at 333

[signal crag]

hoping for indie worlds has always been dumb,
change my mind

[lament lotus]

333 what

[feral falcon]

Silksong won't be in TGA, but Team Cherry will hijack the event, and put a trailer of Silksong in it, later, Team Cherry is arrested for hijacking an important event

[pallid flare]

+333 o's

[steep basin]

I mean Joker hijacked the game awards for his Smash Bros announcement and he didn't get arrested

[feral falcon]

ohhh, true

[proud dagger]

What were you adding the o’s for again?

[pallid flare]

obvious secret words

[fervent kindle]

i couldn’t agree more, but somehow i still think ooooh ss?? whenever they announce one.

[mellow cliff]

Or for every time you hope silksong comes out

[pallid flare]

it's gone up by around 30 in just a few hours so I think it's obvious what it is

[burnt topaz]

when silksong comes out pyro has to eat 333 doughnuts

[misty shore]

Its TGA isnt it.

[pallid flare]

what no i'll die

[pallid flare]

no why

[mellow cliff]

Not if your stomach is… VOID

[burnt topaz]

do it over the course of 10 years then

[mellow cliff]

Pyro lore??? Real???

[pallid flare]

over one year it would be 1 doughnut a day

which will probably not kill me but

[burnt topaz]

kinda gross yeah

[pallid flare]

that'll get bad fast

[mellow cliff]

One donut every Monday Thursday and Sunday

[misty shore]

Milkbong

[lament lotus]

NO

[pallid flare]

the next time i'll eat a doughnut i will think of you

[steep basin]

I'm honestly a bit scared about Silksong

Part of the reason why I loved HK was because of the freedom of choice for the combat

[mellow cliff]

honestly I don’t have preferences over games, if I press buttons and it does things then it’ll entertain me, so I hope y’all will like silksong too

[buoyant pumice]

Milkdong

[verbal trench]

im not too scared in terms of if itll live up to the hype, from what ive seen i think itll be an even better experience than what hollow knight was

[high hedge]

You think it’ll be a more linear play style?

[misty shore]

Waitlong

[verbal trench]

i honestly think itll have a more complex play style

[mellow cliff]

yeah, very detached from hollow knight

[coarse leaf]

seems to me like there will be more variety which would mean more freedom in movement and combat

[heady iron]

always remember that silksong can be worse than hollow knight

[proud dagger]

I think that’s fair to be worried about. I’m also a bit worried that the Citadel area could be a bit too much of the game and make the late game feel more monotonous.

[misty shore]

I like complex playstyles, cause they force me to strategize.

[mellow cliff]

Like we won’t get used to the commands instantly

[steep basin]

I hope that there's enough variety in the crests and abilities and weapons

[mellow cliff]

also I’ll just go as slow as possible on that game, just like I did on hollow knight, possibly with friends

[signal crag]

well, there's all the time you want to learn them

[buoyant pumice]

Hornet looks a lot more acrobatic than the Knight, she’s in the air a bunch with a lot of variety to her movesets, she’s gonna be way different from the Knight

[misty shore]

Probably will be, from the looks of it

[fervent kindle]

yeah i think it will have more freedom in combat, the tool system looks like you can completely change your attacks and strategies.

[verbal trench]

i think silksong will have a more complex playstyle, but at the base will be simple so the game isnt aimed towards previous hollow knight players

[signal crag]

Hornet being so different from the Knight is fantastic to me

[stark estuary]

SS seems like it will have way more tools than HK had Charms, and those tools are more varied than charms were (and will probably be more balanced too). There's the Silk skills, which ig are the counterpart to spells, though there seems to be way more of 'em, and there's also the crests.

[mellow cliff]

maybe there won’t be a meta tools set

[steep basin]

Meta tools set?

[buoyant pumice]

I’m glad hornet won’t just be Knight 2 in terms of play style, that’d make SS feel stale out of the gate

[misty shore]

A loadout widely considered to be "the best"

[steep basin]

Oh

[mellow cliff]

Like in hollow knight, there are some meta charms, like charms that are much better combined either than the load out you used (example compass versus your load out)

[nimble radish]

the meta will be different depending on the boss

[stark estuary]

HK Charm balance was 💩 though

[signal crag]

to be honest, for me the worst thing that could happen with Silksong....is for it to be just "more Hollow Knight" and less of it's own thing and identity

[mellow cliff]

oh damn I can’t wait to die on the judge while having my exploration tools

[misty shore]

A lil bit

[stark estuary]

More than a little

[nimble radish]

that's how these systems work

[mellow cliff]

I hope it isn’t, well it doesn’t seem like that

[signal crag]

that's why i consider it a "worst" case scenario

[nimble radish]

you go and get your boss setup and come back ready to kick some judge ass

[mellow cliff]

No i mean it will be funny to it to happen

[misty shore]

Shaman stone, fluke nest, defenders crest be like 🗿

[stark estuary]

One of those is good

[cerulean tree]

waddup

[nimble radish]

when the charm synergy makes it worse

[misty shore]

Just defenders crest

[fervent kindle]

i think players might find there own meta toolset, like focusing on nail, spells or both in hk, people will make their own favourite loadouts and i hope some bosses in ss will make people remix or change their preferred playstyle, i always like that in games.

[mellow cliff]

Now, quests. Will they just be unlocked like:
Quest Gather number 1 done? Unlock number 2 and so on
Or:
Quest Gather number 1-2-3 done? Complete this area to unlock more quests and more upgrades to weapons

[haughty brook]

The only thing that could taint SS for me is beig too much "fanservice" of HK or having many meta references too.

[nimble radish]

quickslash best charm

[velvet ruin]

That's a weird way to spell Shaman Stone

[buoyant pumice]

Rip 2 slot quick slash

[sacred moth]

I want lore connections to HK though

[mellow cliff]

Yeah but not like zote… please not like him…

[cerulean tree]

steady body

[nimble radish]

it's good too

[stark estuary]

In HK everyone runs QS, Ustrength, either MoP or Shaman, and only the last two slots are ever variable (between like, Sbody, Dwielder, NMG, and Stwister)

[mellow cliff]

Oh I’m sure they will, but they will be very subtle, like most of the lore of HK

[proud dagger]

I’m not really worried about things like the combat or story being bad. The things that worry me most are stuff like the progression or the overall design of the map, since those are hard to get right and we really can’t work out anything about those yet because we haven’t seen large enough slices of the game.

[buoyant pumice]

I’d honestly rather SS be sorta disconnected from HK but that’s just personal preference.

[nimble radish]

sometimes qfocus is good
EO for example

[mellow cliff]

I’m worried the coral zone will be cramped
I don’t want it to be like that, it’s my favorite zone

[stark estuary]

Sometimes QF is good yeah, Grubsong is also a bit of a situational one.

[nimble radish]

several charms are

[steep basin]

You won't have a favorite zone until you play the game

[nimble radish]

quickstrength is always good in combat though

[mellow cliff]

(From the ones shown I prefer that one)

[verbal trench]

i liked the section of the coral zone shown in the trailer

[stark estuary]

~~Shaman is actually the best charm in the game but some people don't use spells ~~

[misty shore]

I actually used it to absutely rek THK when I beat him for the first time while listening to the reeses puffs rap

[cerulean tree]

fortunately from what we've seen it looks pretty open i'd say

[verbal trench]

it looks so pretty, def might be my fav im callin it

[fervent kindle]

as a complete nail main, i couldn’t agree more

[signal crag]

too afraid to spend SOUL, huh?

[misty shore]

The reeses puffs rap is like my warcry or something

[stark estuary]

Those who don't use Shaman/Spells are almost always using MoP instead

So there really isn't much variation in combat, save for the last two notches

[pallid flare]

why not use spells and shaman?

[stark estuary]

Some people don't know Quickcast exists

[signal crag]

the secret technique

[feral falcon]

Ok, but we all know that Wayward compass is the best charm, especially during boss fights

[proud dagger]

My biggest worry is still the Citadel, because what they said in the Edge article makes it sound like it could be that one building is the entire second half of the game and you don’t really have any reason to go back to the old areas once you’re there

[pallid flare]

right clicking, the sacred technique

[verbal trench]

mouse on hollow knight. the cursed technique

[misty shore]

How do you think SS will handle passive equippables?

[pallid flare]

what? I achieve maximum efficiency with it

[feral falcon]

Oh my god, Using left click to attack, and right click for using spells

[pallid flare]

yea?? what's wrong

[verbal trench]

i used to use mouse i have a degree in joking about mouse dont worry

[pallid flare]

people are not coping well, rip

[slow viper]

Less than 1 day till clown town

Yall ready for not silksong tomorrow?

[nimble radish]

you can click faster than you can puss a key

[feral falcon]

I'm ready

[verbal trench]

hey look at this guy we have a NON BELIEVER

[misty shore]

Very

[pallid flare]

yeah right

[nimble radish]

*press a key

[signal crag]

i hope not, i'm regretting my bet already

[sacred moth]

I can't wait to see this place tomorrow, news or no news

[pallid flare]

same

[slow viper]

We gonna get 60 minute slowdown again

[feral falcon]

very true

[pallid flare]

lots of fun to be had just witnessing the chaos

[verbal trench]

i feel like if theres news the server channel will just combust

[misty shore]

"Technically, tomorrow is opposite day. So if they dont announce silksong, they are actually, in effect, announcing silksong."

[burnt topaz]

But what if they do

[misty shore]

Hmmm

[slow viper]

Only on samsung smart fridge

[misty shore]

Then tomorrow clearly isnt opposite day if they do

[fervent kindle]

i like how the ss colour pallet seems to be a reversal of hk’s. hk had most areas dull blue and grey for atmospheric purposes, but also to make areas like the hive, qg, and crystal peaks look really special and hidden. ss seems to have most areas already super vibrant (just look at greenpath vs moss grotto) which will make it more exiting and new, but then areas like greymoor and wherever Seth is look somber and ancient in comparison.

[feral falcon]

Hollow Knight: Silksong, exclusive to Smart Watch

[misty shore]

Only on KFC soda machine

[feral falcon]

Only on Google Stadia

[misty shore]

Ew

[burnt topaz]

Makes sense, you have this looming bright light overhead in a lot of areas like the coral forest and moss grotto.
Except gretmoor which is eerily gloomy

[proud dagger]

Greymoor definitely seems like it has the most HK vibes out of all the areas we’ve seen so far

Darker colors and the area seems to be mostly in ruins

[burnt topaz]

Probably because it's underneath the citadel, like directly underneath

[feral falcon]

It seems that Greymoor is the biggest area of the game, if I'm not mistaken (Like the City of Tears)

[fervent kindle]

wait is it? that might have something to do with the taproot things then.

[signal crag]

one of the biggest, at least

[proud dagger]

I think they just said it was one of the biggest areas they had made, not the biggest period

[misty shore]

And in silksong, the enemies seem to be more so actual people rather than random creatures and infected. They would probably typically all have some reason to fight hornet/have hornet fight them.

[feral falcon]

oohh ok

[nimble radish]

this is your daily silksong news
we have news

[misty shore]

Wha

[feral falcon]

But how's that possible??

[spring pulsar]

Have you guys ever thought about the fact that one day, you will play silksong, enter a new room, hear new music start playing and see the new area text screen for the first time like you were playing hollow knight for the first time again?

[proud dagger]

I’m still feeling Forest of Bones as the biggest area in the game

[burnt topaz]

I'm assuming I'm not sure but it seems like it taking into account the roots and how dark it is but how bright the citadel and most other areas are

[signal crag]

this is what we all want to experience

[misty shore]

The root theory and the puppeteer theory could combo nicely

[fervent kindle]

ahh yeah, like the citadel has like sucked the life out of greymoor.

[feral falcon]

What is the Root theory?

[sacred moth]

I just can't wait to explore every nook and cranny of every area.

[burnt topaz]

This paragraph has made me more excited than I've been in the past few months

[bronze monolith]

May that day come soon.

[slow viper]

The final boss of silksong better fucking play hornets bossfight music or else

[signal crag]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuDZwlUvySxSmT177rgdSnTax8cQxiYvFgEbX2aQ-7A/edit#

[proud dagger]

I think that the lava stuff, the ant kingdom, and that one overgrown area with the Kratos ant might all be part of a single area where different sections are unlocked at different points

[mellow cliff]

Oh god I didn’t think of the daily silksong news turning green

[misty shore]

O

[mellow cliff]

And saying we have news

[grim forge]

I have been trying to avoid thinking about the actual game of Silksong

[pallid flare]

I almost forgot about the roots

[misty shore]

Thatd be surreal

[proud dagger]

Well either way it won’t turn green tomorrow, since the videos are released earlier in the afternoon

[nimble radish]

ara is going to upload after TGA

[verbal trench]

i wish i could play hk for the first time again

[slow viper]

I think they waited longer from the game awards last time

Or was it e3

[nimble radish]

it's in the server announcements

[verbal trench]

yeah ara is uploading at 11 pm EST after TGA

just in case there is news

[misty shore]

Epic

[proud dagger]

Ah that makes sense

I wonder if there are two videos already made, one of which is the same as usual and the other one just says “there is news”

[sacred moth]

Maybe it'll be Daily Silksong News feat. Team Cherry

[verbal trench]

that would be sick

[misty shore]

Starring: Matthew "Leth" Griffin

[nimble radish]

now that'd be funny

[slow viper]

I tried to get daily silksong news featuring me but it never happened

[rapid topaz]

One of my favorite episode https://youtu.be/-lchZOxN42M (daily silksong news feat. Simo)

[slow viper]

Aight im gonna go, see yall next month unless theres news tomorrow

[marsh ibex]

i was forgotten

[normal token]

So was I

[misty shore]

If we dont get a ss announcement, Ima start doing genuine hk youtube content.

Just need to learn how to edit vids

[feral falcon]

If silksong doesn't appear in TGA, I'm going to sing an acapella version of "Sealed Vessel" using Grimm's voice

[languid linden]

We remembered you from when you went inactive to when you came back, and then we forgot

[formal kelp]

If silksong does appear in TGA im boosting this server
If it doesnt, ill upload actual hk vids

[languid linden]

I am disappointed that I wasn't in chat when you came back though

[verbal trench]

if silksong appears in tga ill be able to make a funny video about it

[burnt topaz]

not if i make it first

[rapid topaz]

If TGA isn't cancelled... I'm going to.. well that'd be cool if it isn't

[signal crag]

nice

[pallid flare]

great

[burnt topaz]

lovely

[brittle garnet]

I love coming into chat and seeing people have posted my theory

[verbal trench]

if silksong isnt at tga ill do absrad floorless hitless

[feral falcon]

If Silksong appears in TGA, I'm going to imitate The Collector's laugh during call

[burnt topaz]

i love your theory, its super interesting

im glad you made an actual document about it too because i didnt want to have to repeat everything everytime i wanted to talk about t

[signal crag]

the document is a great thing

[verbal trench]

no just regular absrad

if my feet touch the floor at all, instant loss

so yeah, no platforms either, can only wall jump off of the little sides

[brittle garnet]

aww, I'm honored

[mellow cliff]

Ohhh

[verbal trench]

i did it regularly and it was hell so silksong PLEASE be at tga

[brittle garnet]

I'm only a little salty that I can't talk about it in Lore channels because they don't accept thematic links as evidence

[verbal trench]

its not too painful, more-so really tight

hard to make good plays

[signal crag]

i hope SS is NOT at TGA then

[burnt topaz]

boy that would be funny
imagine making bets

[marsh ibex]

dame

[normal token]

Same

[languid linden]

Which is dumb imo

[marsh ibex]

seethe and cope

[primal oriole]

my personal theory on the roots is that they used to be like the WL but then the god that sourced them died, or was severely weakened

[marsh ibex]

I didn’t ask Frodo

[brittle garnet]

I've already done so

[marsh ibex]

ratioed

[brittle garnet]

Don't care

[primal oriole]

there's the whole thing of gods singing a tune, and the White Lady having some kind of unique "resonance" that indicates that she might be one of "Them"

[feral falcon]

I finished reading the Root Theory Document, and it's a pretty solid theory ngl

[quaint mountain]

wheres that?

[brittle garnet]

Yeah I did mention that in the theory doc
the "one of Them" part

[feral falcon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuDZwlUvySxSmT177rgdSnTax8cQxiYvFgEbX2aQ-7A/edit#

[marsh ibex]

banned

[feral falcon]

Sorry lol

[digital junco]

we do a little

[normal token]

Why is this not allowed in #hk-lore though

[brittle garnet]

um, something like "no evidence"

[feral falcon]

Yeah, it's just a Theory...

A GA-

[brittle garnet]

At least i remember something of the like when I posted it in there

[nimble radish]

theres no evidence because the game hasn't released

[normal token]

Who cares it's not like we have tons of info about ss anyways

[pastel silo]

TC said that one of the inspirations for HK was a game where you climb up inside a big tree right? Maybe they took an inspiration from that even more for SS

[nimble radish]

and spoilers for ss

[primal oriole]

it's incredibly speculative, but like, there's nothing else to do in #hk-lore at this point other than speculate wildly and rehash arguments

[nimble radish]

water will get your ass if you silkpost in lore

[primal oriole]

I'm no confused on what #hk-lores spoiler policy is because it definitely seems like Silksong should be allowed

[brittle garnet]

oh I think they said that you're not allowed to talk about Silksong in #hk-lore

[primal oriole]

they have a doc of Silksong information pinned

[normal token]

Why?

[marsh ibex]

technically you can but silksong shit is mostly speculative so we redirect here

[brittle garnet]

but somebody corrected them. But basically like 1 person responded to the theory, said that "It might be true, or not" and then it was never addressed again

[marsh ibex]

and when ss does get a reveal it gets it’s own lore channel anyways

[silver oak]

presumably to be made on release

[normal token]

And lore regulars are painfully ss regulars

[brittle garnet]

I did get more responses on the Mossbag server, but they were similarly unwelcoming

[coarse leaf]

What about #hk-help
Will ss get one for that as well

[silver oak]

unless we get 2 weeks of pure speculation

[brittle garnet]

most likely, at least I think it should

[silver oak]

ye #ss-help will most likely exist as well

[verbal trench]

i have a prediction for you all

there may or may not be silksong news at the game awards tomorrow

[coarse leaf]

Race to beat ss to be a #ss-help regular

[nimble radish]

there won't be a help channel until it's usable

[brittle garnet]

basically most people's stance on the theory was "No hard evidence lol don't care"

[frank sparrow]

there will be news- no maybe about it

[burnt topaz]

there might be a little maybe

[brittle garnet]

I was so proud of the formatting too

[burnt topaz]

but isnt it obvious there wont be hard evidence considering the game hasnt you know
come out yet

[true vine]

when does silksong come out

[feral falcon]

27 hours remaining bois!! It's close

[normal token]

Honestly most ss theories will just be very speculative anyways

[coarse leaf]

Tomorrow

[burnt topaz]

theres hard evidence that hornets gonna be in silksong

[signal crag]

in the early days, for sure

[verbal trench]

WAIT RLLY

[true vine]

that was a test question and you're incorrect

the answer is nev-

[burnt topaz]

oi who did that

[true vine]

fake

no sources, amina is lying

move on, people

[feral falcon]

I think the game will start in a green area called Moss Grotto, but that's just a theory of mine

[normal token]

Like what if conductor romino is the fucking father of the pale king or Ari himself

[silver oak]

you can't just say bold claims like this, you gotta back it up

[coarse leaf]

Headcanons

[burnt topaz]

well, i like to think that root theory has at least a lot of soft evidence

[hollow sedge]

The final day before salvation

[marsh ibex]

soft like your memes

[primal oriole]

I think there's evidence that the roots are related to something important, but not a lot on the specifics

[true vine]

if by "salvation" you mean "tears of disappointment from the TGA-ers" then yes

[nimble radish]

everyone that believed it would be at TGA will ascend to a different plane of existence whatever happens

[brittle garnet]

I mean also the part where the Swamp Screenshot is located directly below the Citadel is pretty hard to dispute, because it makes so much sense

but whatever

[warm bough]

Has leth deconfirmed the game awards yet

[brittle garnet]

no

[warm bough]

Silksong is basically already out

[feral falcon]

Not yet

[trim estuary]

true

[primal oriole]

I feel like if he was going to he would have done it by now

[brittle garnet]

inb4 Leth comes in tomorrow "wait, what's TGA?"

[feral falcon]

Leth Tommorow: "So uhh guys, there will be no Silksong in TGA, sorry lmao"

[warm bough]

But being serious I don’t think it’s gonna be announced at TGA

[trim estuary]

His last messages were about TGA tho

[warm bough]

I’ve finally given up

[pastel silo]

I think he will come here before TGA talking about random shit which will basically confirm TGA right away for me

[grim forge]

Leth please don't deconfirm

[feral falcon]

I have my hopes up, but not too up.

[trim estuary]

You’re right, Ss’ already been announced
Plus, double the excitement when it is there

[trim estuary]

I have unfortunately invested all of my hope into this event and am falling down a treacherous rabbit hole (again)

[grim forge]

This is my first hopium binge so I'm proud

[ornate fiber]

leth needs to come and shatter our hope and dreams before the event starts

i can't watch the whole event and still have to wear the clown suit by the end

[opaque sigil]

Yeah at this point any purpose that would serve is null

[surreal crown]

That's seriously impressive

[grim forge]

When did he deconfirm E3

[opaque sigil]

Early enough for the info to disseminate to some extent

[grim forge]

Ah okay

Oh yeah I just looked at the message and he did it like a month before

[feral falcon]

"Oh yeah, It's all coming together"

[pastel silo]

Also I can't see admins joining watch party for 4 hours just to watch us suffer...if they will really join for the full tga then I think this will be it

[surreal crown]

From Leth (about E3): "Hey guys! I just wanted to pop in to let you know that Team Cherry does not have any announcements/blogs scheduled for E3 this year." teamcherry

[opaque sigil]

What about it

[grim forge]

That's another thing. If Graig is deconfirming why would they have him do it instead of leth when people don't trust Graig

[coarse leaf]

weren't they just joking about joining anyway

[opaque sigil]

Graig's not deconfirming, he's probably just getting in on the memes

[pastel silo]

Didn't seem like it, but I guess we will see

[feral falcon]

Yeah, I think he was just joking around

[stiff jolt]

🐸hungry knight🐸

[grim forge]

I hope it's that

[opaque sigil]

It's not his job to deconfirm, if that was going to happen it would be Leth, like you said

[grim forge]

Yeah

[noble fulcrum]

there's not going to be news at tga 🤡🤡

[feral falcon]

I think the Mods don't even know the release date, or inside information about Team Cherry

[opaque sigil]

Probably not but there's a chance, however slim it may be

[noble fulcrum]

in that case lemme apply my clown suit

[opaque sigil]

Mods don't. Admins probably don't know release date (TC probably doesn't at this point) but they are direct associates of TC

[pastel silo]

Graig wasn't even deconfirming anything, he is saying the opposite while luring more people to join watchparty

[hushed wasp]

is that a master chief bodypillow i want one

[opaque sigil]

That is a cardboard poster thing

[feral falcon]

Oooh ok

[opaque sigil]

I do not suggest cuddling the cardboard poster thing

[surreal crown]

If hollow knight had a soda sponsorship which one would it be?

[opaque sigil]

Fanta

There... there's just no contest

[brittle garnet]

Cherry Cola

[hollow smelt]

Yet? he wont BECAUSE IT WILL BE

[brittle garnet]

Blue Gatorade

[hollow smelt]

cherry coke is better, original coke is bussing too

fanta makes me more thirsthy

[opaque sigil]

What does that have to do with fanta being a meme

[heavy magnet]

gruzzer cola hur hur

[normal token]

There will be a hk advertisment where it's fanta vs blue gatorade

Choose your side
Pick fanta to become one with the moth
Pick blue gatorade to be uhhh blue

[true vine]

cherry coke looks like void

[primal oriole]

gruzzer carbonated milk

[formal kelp]

pick blue to become a lifeblood seed enthusiast

[cedar trench]

fanta and you become infected
blue gatorade and you become a cringe picrew lifeblood oc

[coarse leaf]

is carbonated milk a thing?

[true vine]

there's this thing you can sometimes get at costco called milkis

it's like

carbonated yogurt
it's really good

it's the consistency of a regular cola

[coarse leaf]

how tf do u carbonate yogurt

[true vine]

it's not really yogurt

[coarse leaf]

ah right

sounds nice anyway

[true vine]

idk
it's just
milk based and kind of tastes like yogurt and it's carbonated yet it's still the consistency of normal cola?

it's good

[formal kelp]

milk + cola what

[rotund aurora]

This is a screenshot from Geoff’s Reddit AMA. This was also one of the top comments. No response? Sussy much?

[pallid flare]

kind of sus

[rotund aurora]

He even deconfirmed gta 6

[formal kelp]

damn... I guess our evidences keep showing

[signal crag]

Oh no
More sus evidence?

[rotund aurora]

Link here btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/rbua98/i_am_geoff_keighley_producer_of_the_game_awards/

[signal crag]

Is everybody just afraid to deconfirm silksong now?

[lament lotus]

.

here @past bloom

[serene patrol]

So uhh clown costume at 4.30 tomorrow?

[rotund aurora]

There’ll be a man hunt.

Still, the fact that he didn’t even say anything is suspicious to say the least.

[heady iron]

amogus

[past bloom]

wasnt there one just like this way back that got deleted?

[nimble radish]

he's not going to answer things like that

[formal kelp]

Expectations are a funny thing. I'm sure people will want more news than what we have in the show, but hopefully we also surprise folks with new games?

[rotund aurora]

Also DSN is a true believer, lol

[coarse leaf]

Random question about SS: Would you like to SS have some sort of costumes?

[serene patrol]

Yes

[proud dagger]

I mean anyone who seriously thought GTA6 was gonna show up was joking

[lament lotus]

no idea
i think fireborn made a video on pixel hollow knight but it got discontinued because the creator didnt want copyright issues

[past bloom]

would i like to? yes
will there be any? probably not

[proud dagger]

That’s about as easy as confirming that The Winds of Winter won’t be announced

[rotund aurora]

True lol.

But alas, even if microscopic, that is still at least a bit of hope.

[proud dagger]

I guess that’s a fair point

[rotund aurora]

Especially considering the fact that he did deconfirm for Summer Game Fest.

So why wouldn’t he now, at the perfect opportunity?

[velvet ruin]

He probably doesn't want to say anything before TGA

[rotund aurora]

Unless…

Still, he clearly doesn’t mind deconfirming

[velvet ruin]

GTA6 is a meme so ofc he could've answered that question

[brittle garnet]

It would be funny, IF we get SS news at TGA, to look back on all of these hints and be like "How did we not believe it" just like what happened with EDGE

[pallid flare]

yeah right

[rotund aurora]

Lol

[velvet ruin]

I mean

[formal kelp]

would be funny

[primal oriole]

it's pretty simple just believe everything that everyone tells you

[velvet ruin]

EDGE was blatant and obvious

[formal kelp]

I mean we've got to be right at least one day....

[velvet ruin]

This isn't

[pallid flare]

we got a fucking oval and something related to milk

[rotund aurora]

Take it with a mole of salt, of course, but that doesn’t mean it’s nonexistent

[pallid flare]

come on that wasn't "blatant and obvious"

[formal kelp]

exactly, how r people saying its obvious now when it was thrown off??

[pallid flare]

a fucking oval

[opaque sigil]

Outcome bias

[nimble radish]

don't take a mole of salt you will die

[velvet ruin]

Not really, Jen Simpkins wrote a lot of HK references

[rotund aurora]

And did the hk interview

[formal kelp]

git... hype was the only reference I know off

[primal oriole]

it was exactly the same curve as the head, the reference to milk, and the comment about the fans getting mad if you call the picture void

[coarse leaf]

Ok, so, uh, someone here will watch TGA without worrying about SS being in there?

[pallid flare]

afaik the milk thing was the only hk reference

[formal kelp]

there was a git gud reference too

[pallid flare]

and it wasn't even something direct

[velvet ruin]

Just look at this come on https://twitter.com/itsJenSim/status/1338072812720939008

Jen Simpkins (@itsJenSim)

My last issue. World exclusive. Git... hype. https://t.co/sRRHb46PYH

Likes

373

Twitter · Dec 13, 2020, 10:46 AM

[brittle garnet]

To be fair though the EDGE hints were much more convincing

[pallid flare]

oooh yeah the git gud

[nimble radish]

git gud is a DS thing

[velvet ruin]

It was pretty obvious

[pallid flare]

well we know what happened now

[primal oriole]

yeah EDGE hints were actually real

[rotund aurora]

These too

[coarse leaf]

This is GameStop tho

[brittle garnet]

there were still people who didn't believe it then, though

[nimble radish]

well it's a gaming community thing in general
but mostly a DS thing

[pallid flare]

like me lol

[primal oriole]

SS at TGA hasn't been hinted at exactly, it's just a thing that could happen

[coarse leaf]

Nintendo DS isn't for gamers tho

[velvet ruin]

I was 95% sure

[formal kelp]

there will always be non-believers

[velvet ruin]

For TGA I'm like 40% sure

[rotund aurora]

Yeah… there are just a lot of maybes

Enough for a possibility, but they’re all maybes

[cedar trench]

i was very doubtful of edge

[coarse leaf]

Tbf, I don't care about waiting, we'll get the game at some point and that's enough information I need rn

[nimble radish]

I'm just saying saying git gud is not really a hint really
it's lucky people were right about that connection

[formal kelp]

exactly my mindset

[rotund aurora]

I just wanna know the progress yknow

[cedar trench]

4 hours until the dawn of the final day

[rotund aurora]

[formal kelp]

and it was a dumb connection anyway

[copper knot]

git

[cedar trench]

what emote do you feel this server needs btw

[formal kelp]

hype

[lament lotus]

hollow emote

[radiant wraith]

Just calm

[rotund aurora]

All of them were. It’s just that there were enough. Same with TGA

[opaque sigil]

zotewall

[brittle garnet]

it needs something like this one

[cedar trench]

thats like self fulfillment needs

[formal kelp]

[nimble radish]

theres this barkeep in silksong yeah? we could do with a static version of :tukboing: with him

[burnt topaz]

the rock eyebrow but like hollow knight

[coarse leaf]

the black egg connection was kinda close

[tall hinge]

[cedar trench]

you know full well i already made bartdender emotes

[nimble radish]

slav submitted divine despair but it didn't go through

[formal kelp]

the connection to silksong and TGA is that there will be a TGA recreation in the game itself

[coarse leaf]

Znail

[nimble radish]

yeah that's exactly why I said it

[formal kelp]

znail moment??

[cedar trench]

OH FUCK YES I AM DOING THIS ONE WITH THE SILKSONG MENDERBUG

[rotund aurora]

Well yeah, but they what I’m saying. A lot of stupid connections, forming like one possible connection

[lament lotus]

i know sad it didnt go through

[burnt topaz]

i was gonna wait to do it because i thought there might be a better candidate once silksong releases

[rotund aurora]

SS also has a history of being deconfirmed, so

[proud dagger]

I do think the notable difference here is that if it is at TGA nobody has intentionally hinted at it as far as we can tell

[radiant wraith]

SS has no lore

[pallid flare]

twice

[primal oriole]

Geoff liked a message, which is something

[opaque sigil]

SS has no reliable history of being deconfirmed

[coarse leaf]

or this

[rotund aurora]

True.

[grim forge]

🤨

[burnt topaz]

zirby

[rotund aurora]

And didn’t deconfirm at the opportunity

[lament lotus]

awh hell nah birby ate that sote 😭

[opaque sigil]

A lack of deconfirmation is not supporting evidence in the least

[formal kelp]

guys, its all coming together, the goeff like, the instagram like

[burnt topaz]

whats the geoff like?

[nimble gale]

< zudkip

[brittle garnet]

[pallid flare]

what the geoff doin?

[primal oriole]

I don't think the "hints" are that significant, it's just that Leth would definitely push TC to show up at TGA for the release date if the time worked out

[formal kelp]

or it doesnt and we get fucked completely

[opaque sigil]

Operative word being "if"

[grim forge]

He is gaining power

[coarse leaf]

idk i don't rly know him /j

Speaking of gaming, ig I'm getting Celeste today

[opaque sigil]

Not really

[pallid flare]

do we

[coarse leaf]

Like, people seems to really like it

[burnt topaz]

fuck yeah

[formal kelp]

stop eyebrowing me pyro its the third time today

[brittle garnet]

well I do

[formal kelp]

pog

[burnt topaz]

no one answered what the geoff like was

[lament lotus]

geoff is geoff

[grim forge]

Probably Silksong related since people are talking about it

[primal oriole]

someone said "silksong" in the comments of something

[rotund aurora]

True, it’s not much, but it is something to question.

[primal oriole]

and he liked it

[signal crag]

TGA’s instagram page

[primal oriole]

yeah that

[nimble radish]

SILK. SONG.
liked by TGA's insta

[opaque sigil]

That's feeble

[signal crag]

And something something not common for them to like comments, that’s it

[coarse leaf]

i'd say the like, more than the lack of deconfirmation is better evidence

i keep thinking im talking to myself with this pfp

[nimble radish]

why don't you change it

[rotund aurora]

Asking “Why hasn’t he deconfirmed silksong, when he has in the past?” Doesn’t have many answers besides that silksong will be there.

[opaque sigil]

He doesn't usually deconfirm events

[burnt topaz]

just realised that boop wasnt you

[rotund aurora]

No, he usually does.

[grim forge]

I would say lack of deconfirmation isn't evidence, but it's more circumstance which can lend some credence

[formal kelp]

he did tho

[rotund aurora]

At least ones with hype.

[nimble radish]

spiderman into the spiderverse release date at TGA????

[opaque sigil]

He did it once or twice, there are many, many more events that had hype which he did not deconfirm

[grim forge]

I think the only other one he's done is a single indie direct and e3

[rotund aurora]

And E3 was deconfirmed y leth

[opaque sigil]

Outlier

[primal oriole]

he can't do it every single event

[coarse leaf]

wow, i've never been more insulted

[primal oriole]

otherwise this happens, people assume him not deconfirming is confirmation

[pallid flare]

L

[rotund aurora]

Still, I’d say that TGA has a rather extreme amount of hype

[grim forge]

Well he actually can but he just doesn't because people will see a pattern

[rotund aurora]

Rude.

[hushed wasp]

How much evidence do we have that its gonna be there

[signal crag]

…did you just yourself?

[opaque sigil]

Apparently it's too late for that

[rotund aurora]

LMAO

maybe lmao

[grim forge]

Almost none

[nimble radish]

so he should do it every time

[primal oriole]

I figure if at the very least we're wrong this time which we aren't people will stop thinking that

[hushed wasp]

pog

[nimble radish]

perhaps

[opaque sigil]

That's optimistic

[rotund aurora]

Anyways, what I’m saying is the TGA probably has some of the most hype for silksong ever

[formal karma]

Leth hasn't deconfirmed like with E3 and... uh..... it airs at noon australia

[hushed wasp]

And theres always been news in december

[opaque sigil]

so deconfirming would be pointless anyways

[coarse leaf]

im kidding ||i've been more insulted once||

[rotund aurora]

Not necessarily, I mean, why did he ever bother?

[hushed wasp]

and apparently TGA liked a comment saying Silksong
(idk if its real someone told me today)

[signal crag]

What do you guys consider “evidence” that’s not outright confirming it?

[nimble radish]

first time for everything

[pallid flare]

WHAT

[hushed wasp]

Evidence that it MAY be there

[rotund aurora]

[jade canopy]

Quick unrelated question, give a definition of « edgy »

[grim forge]

Here are my reasons for hope:
• TGA Instagram account liking "SILK. SONG" comment
• Both SS and HK werent updated in Steam database for over 45 days (longest ever)
• William changed his pfp to a memey art of him (never seen such thing before)
• Graig inviting us to a voice channel to watch TGA like bros right_facing_fist (yeah he trolls a lot but what if he doesn't clothflushed )
• Leth has been extremely quiet recently and there's very little going on with Crowsworn (for marketing)
• Almost a year with no news
• Nvidia cloud leak (yes that is not official but conveys TC's intentions)

[opaque sigil]

Something with evident or demonstrable relevance and tangibility (ie not conjecture)

[signal crag]

Yeah? What could count as that?

[nimble radish]

anyone with a skull in their pfp

[pallid flare]

someone trying to be overly "cool" but failing miserably

[grim forge]

This is just compiled stuff

[burnt topaz]

overly dark and brooding and nihilistic in an attempt to seem serious or deep idk

[modest night]

They mean theyre desperate and see everything as evidence

[nimble radish]

I'm kidding of course
edgy is trying to seem special through dark/gross things

[jade canopy]

Ok yeah so I’m not crazy

[grim forge]

Exactly

[rotund aurora]

Or just being racist.

[burnt topaz]

yeah that too

[rotund aurora]

That’s “edgy” too.

[opaque sigil]

The only realistic evidence is liking the comment but that's dubious and not really corroborated

[olive bobcat]

Dark/gross is my favorite Pokemon type combo

[opaque sigil]

That's it

[hushed wasp]

My god this is actually a lot. im hyped

[modest night]

I say that there is no evidence but you gotta be hyped anyway

[rotund aurora]

Like I’ve said, all of the points are dubious at best, it’s just the quantity af them

[jade canopy]

My English book says that « edgy » means forward, like the newest of newest tech is « edgy »

[nimble radish]

true true I agree with your statement

[carmine herald]

An edgy person from my experience tries too hard to be cool and is overly violent with everything and thinks stuff dying is funny

[modest night]

And then fall into despair

[nimble radish]

isn't that cutting edge?

[opaque sigil]

There's one (1) actual thing that could be considered to be circumstantial evidence

[burnt topaz]

never heard it used in that context

[primal oriole]

I feel like the question is much more "will Silksong finish from late November to February next year" because if so it'll probably be there

[hushed wasp]

Sonia, shhh

[rotund aurora]

That’s pretty pessimistic if I’m being honest.

[jade canopy]

Nah it’s edgy

[opaque sigil]

Everything else on that list had zero relevance or inherent significance

[lofty robin]

Any silksong news?

[rotund aurora]

I disagree.

[burnt topaz]

it sounds like its being used as a replacement for cutting edge but no one ever says it like that

[brittle garnet]

The Steam Page statement is false
Leth has been quiet for longer periods before (even just recently, between 15 October and 17 November)

[rotund aurora]

It has very small relevance or significance.

[dusty nimbus]

I just find it as an excuse to eat food

[formal karma]

maybe tomorrow.... MAYBE

[hushed wasp]

Maybe tommorow 👀

[nimble radish]

no

[rotund aurora]

Nearly zero, but not nothing.

[lofty robin]

Why whats happening tmr?

[opaque sigil]

William changing pfp is not reasonable evidence for tga

[grim forge]

What will the doubters say if it's there

[nimble radish]

tga

[brittle garnet]

also

[rotund aurora]

TGA.

[lofty robin]

Whats tga?

[olive bobcat]

Two sides of the same coin

[opaque sigil]

Says nothing about silksong

[pallid flare]

a great thing

[hushed wasp]

''Skill issue''
''Didnt ask''
''Cope''

[hollow sedge]

silksong is a game, the game awards shows games, therefore i can deduce that silksong will be at the game awards

[brittle garnet]

I know I'm just adding fuel to the fire

[nimble radish]

holy shit here we go it's happening
terraria otherworld is coming out

[formal karma]

there's also a 'no' right under that 😛

[brittle garnet]

sowing chaos

[pearl meadow]

Your English book ain’t that good, then

[signal crag]

You just don’t want SS at TGA, because otherwise you would start questioning reality if most of those “hints” turns out to be accurate

[rotund aurora]

Kek.

[verbal trench]

that just brought back some old middle school memories i didnt know i had

[lofty robin]

Whats TGA?

[olive bobcat]

That's another coin

[true vine]

we'd say "good for you, silksong news is finally here" but that won't be happening

[rotund aurora]

Gaming event.

[hushed wasp]

is Silksong still considered an indie?

[formal karma]

once again, you've all the answers

[verbal trench]

yeah

[signal crag]

Absolutely

[true vine]

the goose arrivals

[haughty brook]

When was the last time TC updated the press kit of SS?

[formal karma]

it's..... certainly not anything else

[rotund aurora]

Made by three people…

[pearl meadow]

Throwing Gators Association

[nimble radish]

haven't been bought out by a company have they

[verbal trench]

The Game Awards, an event held at the end of every year that gives a recap of most games that released during the year and ranks each one, as well as gives announcements of new games to come

[full rune]

team cherry bought them out

[lofty robin]

Is ot based in florida?

[grim forge]

[hushed wasp]

By three very rich people, but i guess the definiton of indie is small developer team

[pearl meadow]

How’s you know??

[rotund aurora]

Yeah… mostly.

[full rune]

they really did sell out....

[pallid flare]

made by a small studio and not for profits, so I'd assume so?

[true vine]

yes

that is what an indie studio is

[rotund aurora]

If it’s small enough, it’s still indie.

Elon Musk could make a game by himself, and it’d be indie

[verbal trench]

indie games are awesome

[pallid flare]

if he could

[rotund aurora]

lol

[opaque sigil]

good indie games are awesome

[true vine]

It's called "independent studio" for a reason

[nimble radish]

if elon musk made a game it'd probably be ptw

[haughty brook]

If TC isn't super backed by a AAA studio and they are still a small team with free creative decition, then yesm its still a Indie Team.

[pallid flare]

is it though?

[surreal crown]

Indie -> Normal game development -> AAA games

[burnt topaz]

the kind of p2w that only he could pay for

[coarse leaf]

isn't 2 technically not independent, at what point do you become AAA?

[hushed wasp]

A lot of indie games are very garbage actually

the good ones stand out though

[brittle garnet]

Elon will make a game only compatible with the Self-Driving Tesla Operting System

[rotund aurora]

Lol

[signal crag]

Obviously

[nimble radish]

hate tesla

[true vine]

ask mojang

[brittle garnet]

It will be the best damn game you've ever seen, but you can only play it on a Tesla

[nimble radish]

they were bought by microsoft that's an easy answer for them

[true vine]

true

[lofty robin]

Isnt that how it works?

[rotund aurora]

At like… maybe? That’s for not indie. Maybe like 50 or more for AAA

[pallid flare]

true

[opaque sigil]

AAA is way bigger than 50

[hushed wasp]

Yes but the guy i was reacting to said ''indies are awesome'' as if all indies are awesome

[formal beacon]

sup tga cult members

[rotund aurora]

I mean yeah.

[fallow night]

graig carry wym

[rotund aurora]

But 50 is the beginning of the gray area.

[hushed wasp]

@turbid kite hello

[spice wigeon]

Did graig come and destroyed our dreams yet?

[dusk badger]

graigmas come

[coarse leaf]

yh, that makes sense

[grim forge]

Graig is the only reason the game gets made

[opaque sigil]

No 50 is very decisively not a AAA studio size

[lofty robin]

Well my breaks over, bye

[verbal trench]

graig physically cant destroy dreams because nobody takes them seriously

[coarse leaf]

less AAA, more like not indie

[hushed wasp]

Graig is god

[rotund aurora]

Guess it becomes an opinion then.

[pearl meadow]

Merry Graigmas to all

[haughty brook]

There is Indie, AA and then AAA

[full rune]

and then 9V

[rotund aurora]

So 50 is AA then.

[hushed wasp]

[spice wigeon]

Did Graig said anything ? Like he did for e3?

[dusk badger]

hes being sus

[spice wigeon]

So your telling me there's a chance

[brittle garnet]

Indie means just "Independent Studio", so the development team is not owned by a larger company. Doesn't even need to be self-published.

[verbal trench]

wasnt leth the one who said something about e3

[haughty brook]

Hitman was originally made by an AA studio, as so many games during the 2000s era

[pallid flare]

graig is a really reliable source of information

[rotund aurora]

15-25% IMO

[dusk badger]

there certainly is a chance

[hushed wasp]

graigs being a sussy ba-

[spice wigeon]

Almost had a manic episode again

[haughty brook]

For an Indie to be indie it has to be both creatively and financialy independent.

[rapid topaz]

Okay I trust you

[serene chasm]

never use the word sussy again

[feral falcon]

sussy

[surreal crown]

silky baka

[rotund aurora]

Not necessarily financially…

[brittle garnet]

no, it just has to be made by an independant studio

[hushed wasp]

Just be glad you arent the impo-

[dusk badger]

imho it really depends on the situation how you choosw to define indie

[brittle garnet]

An Independant studio with a larger publisher or investor that doesn't own them is still Indie

[spice wigeon]

[REDACTED]

[rotund aurora]

It can’t be super backed, but like getting funded a tad by another company

[primal oriole]

"financially independent" isn't really a solid definition

[rapid topaz]

So Mojang isn't indie anymore, right ?

[brittle garnet]

no, by definition, they aren't

[pallid flare]

I'd assume no

[spice wigeon]

Mojang stopped being an indie company way back in 2013

[jade canopy]

Mojang was bought by Microsoft anyway so it clearly isn’t indie

[hushed wasp]

Mojang has a team of like 9 billion people

Also i dont consider a team of 49 people indie

My definition of indie is 1-10 and maybe 10-15

[pallid flare]

damn I work for mojang too?

[spice wigeon]

Yes

[rapid topaz]

I know I just wanted to give an example, I assumed it wasn't

[hollow sedge]

mojang has the worst customer service in existence

[surreal crown]

Even 10 is pushing it I feel

[haughty brook]

I mean, an independent studio has to be independent financially (as in, not super heavily dependeny of a bigger company) to be truly indepedeny.

[kind drum]

cuphead had 15-25 people

[jade canopy]

Indie doesn’t really mean much, like the definition is « no editor » but a lot of indies have editor so yeah

[kind drum]

also 24 hours remaining till TGA 😳

[rotund aurora]

Blurred between AA and indie

[coarse leaf]

i guess in the sense of not being able to outsource like 90% of the work then yh

[surreal crown]

is Cuphead indie then??

[serene chasm]

Team size is actually a pretty good metric for indie vs AA vs AAA
1-20 (indie) 20-50 (AA) 50+ (AAA)
Obviously other metrics will apply as well.

[spice wigeon]

Microsoft collects all the child creativity from Minecraft and coordinates it to bill gatet so he can live forever

[brittle garnet]

not really, Indie means that the development team is not a part of or owned by a bigger company

[kind drum]

now they do

[rapid topaz]

maybe this sounds stupid but, isn't Cuphead depending on microsoft, financialy ?

[lament lotus]

What does indie game even mean

[brittle garnet]

^

[lament lotus]

oh

[heady iron]

tfw hellblade is considered indie when the studio has 100+ employees

[spice wigeon]

Got a small money boost but no its an independent studio

[jade canopy]

I kinda disagree with you arch

Urff Wikipedia it is then

[formal kelp]

already?

[pallid flare]

tean size wouldn't equal if it's indie or not

[coarse leaf]

so if tc makes a new company with just ari, and he makes a game, would that make it an AAA? /s

[formal beacon]

27 hours*

[brittle garnet]

it's more like 27, no?

[wheat crypt]

Wikipedia: "An indie game, short for independent video game, is a video game typically created by individuals or smaller development teams without the financial and technical support of a large game publisher, in contrast to most "AAA" (triple-A) games. However, the "indie" term may apply to other scenarios where the development of the game has some measure of independence from a publisher even if a publisher helps fund and distribute a game, such as creative freedom"

[formal beacon]

i will count every second untill tga

[rapid topaz]

24 or 27 doesn't matter if there's no news at the end

[serene chasm]

Only if he clones himself twice. Then it would be Ari Ari Ari

[rapid topaz]

Which is likely imo

[formal kelp]

seems as the hopium for today wore off, now its just the already-disappointed people

[serene chasm]

They are non believers. They will be left behind when SS is at TGA

[jade canopy]

Nah on Friday morning I will wake up with a ping coming from the hk discord

[rapid topaz]

I was half-memeing I don't have a special hope nor disappoint

[haughty brook]

I still think naming games "indie" even if they are supported by much bigger companies is kinda of unfair and spooty for games made with financial independece.

[formal kelp]

thats the spirit

[lament lotus]

isnt it today wait nvm its on the 10th for me fuck

[dusk badger]

its tomorrow for you still

[coarse leaf]

no

[kind drum]

oh dang i thought it was at 5pm est

[serene chasm]

Patch 1.5.47399 out now for HK

[jade canopy]

But if someone dares to reply ping me in the middle of the event to say nothing of interest

My joke got snailed by another joke

[formal beacon]

imagine the next hollow knight update has the siklsong release date hidden somewhere

[dusk badger]

why

oh right

[formal beacon]

"higher beings, these words are for you alone, decebuary 32nd"

[rotund aurora]

Decebuary

[dusk badger]

winter 2nd

[rapid topaz]

and no one will discover it because everyone skips the intro scene

[serene chasm]

I wonder if they put the date in the patch number, how long it would take us to notice

[dusk badger]

2024

[jade canopy]

I was thinking about that last night, but what do you think of a like « history of ss-discussion » video to celebrate the channel after it is change forever by the game releasing soon after TGA

[proud dagger]

Can’t wait for Silksong to release January 18th 2033

[surreal crown]

[dusk badger]

that sounds good though im not sure a 30 second video is worth it

[lament lotus]

i wish simo would just troll us and say
"Patch 1.5.4739- wait nvm its silksong"

[rapid topaz]

Yeah me too it's gonna be great ahah

[signal crag]

C’mon, one extra year will not hurt anybody

[blissful valve]

How are we all feeling about TGA? I haven't been on here in a couple months

[formal kelp]

good

[brittle garnet]

hopeful but skeptical

[formal beacon]

itll hurt me

[dusk badger]

good

[signal crag]

Uncertain

[serene chasm]

Silksong patch 1.0.01 out now

[surreal crown]

I'm feeling pretty good for some reason

[formal beacon]

very badly

[blissful valve]

Nice, so we're running the whole spectrum of emotion here

[signal crag]

Pretty much, yeah

[rapid topaz]

Just curious. I have no ideas what they could announce (in general)

[coarse leaf]

just missing happiness

[formal beacon]

yeah

[blissful valve]

I've been able to rest easier about SS knowing that Elden Ring will be out soon and taking up all my attention, so it's been less of a constant want for it, but I just thought I'd stop by, see what the vibe was

[rotund aurora]

Honestly, most of the optimism is just pessimism coming around lmao

[blissful valve]

I'll probably watch the fireworks, good news or bad, tomorrow

[rapid topaz]

There's always that game that nobody heard of, and end up being an absolute banger

[signal crag]

You are one of the few sober ones around here

[dusk badger]

how do you mean

[blissful valve]

Legit, been sober for a year and a half almost

[signal crag]

I might know a thing or two about that

[rapid topaz]

I'm talking in general, something gets announced and it's a great surprise

[dusk badger]

yeah do you think silksong will be that? or sth else

[blissful valve]

Other games i'm hoping for more news on: Stray and Little Devil Inside

[dusk badger]

sorry just confused

[hollow sedge]

i heard there was this small indie game called hollow knight, its pretty good

[burnt topaz]

its not gonna be there for sure

[signal crag]

Radio the Universe and Monolith's next major update for me

[true vine]

what if they patched until their patch resembled the release date of silksong just to troll us

[rapid topaz]

you spelled "shovel" wrong

Joking I love both

[nimble radish]

hollow shovel

[dusk badger]

i heard there was this small indie shovel

[proud vale]

Wait, this isn’t the shovel knight discord?

[burnt topaz]

it is now

[proud vale]

[elfin swift]

shovel? i hardly know el

[burnt topaz]

what you dont like a bit of shovel, boy

[proud vale]

Bravo

[rapid topaz]

You know something is cool when there's "knight" in the title

[misty shore]

Im afraid I prefer spades

[rapid topaz]

Actually nevermind that doesn't work

[burnt topaz]

spades are just baby shovels

[misty shore]

Wait...

[formal kelp]

♠️

[signal crag]

Great indie games have something about a tale underground
Undertale, cave story, Hollow Knight…

[nimble radish]

that's almost invisible

[dusk badger]

kinda weird how theres still hollow knight in the name huh?

[nimble radish]

also anyone else think it looks like- never mind

[kind drum]

celeste is over ground

[brittle garnet]

GRIME, Hades, Deep Rock Galactic...
(ok maybe GRIME isn't Great per se, but it is very good)

[nimble radish]

celeste has underground sections

[misty shore]

Yeah, especially when the actual hollow knight wont even be involved... Unless...

[rapid topaz]

Isn't oneshot underground too? I have barely seen the lore so I don't remember

[nimble radish]

hades

[brittle garnet]

it has Hollow Knight in the title because it's part of the Hollow Knight franchise

[signal crag]

….maybe? It’s been a LONG while the last time i played it.

[dusk badger]

thats a boring explanation

[opaque sigil]

It’s also the right one

[signal crag]

But i’m gonna guess it is

[dusk badger]

my bad then

[rapid topaz]

Also Axiom Verge is underground so the theory applies well

Portal too

[proud dagger]

I mean it’s kinda hard to make a Metroidvania that isn’t mostly underground

[burnt topaz]

note: if i make an indie game, make some part underground

[proud dagger]

Just cause the map has to be really interconnected

[nimble radish]

space station ez

[proud dagger]

And it’s hard to do that without a lot of verticality, which is easiest with caves

[burnt topaz]

does thumper count as being underground

[proud dagger]

Yeah that’s the other big one

[rapid topaz]

Iconoclasts is over and underground, Ori too (even tho I'm not sure we can call it metroidvania)

[misty shore]

I feel like using the underground areas of a world makes the worldbuilding feel more immersive. It gives the idea of the creator actually using all the area that the world has to offer.

At least, thats my take on it.

[nimble radish]

any enclosed space does that

[proud dagger]

Ori is the standout but even that has a lot of underground parts from what I’ve played (made it I believe about halfway through the first game)

[misty shore]

Dont forget minecraft. Its literally half of the name

Even if that isnt a metroidvania

[brittle garnet]

Underground gives a lot more creative freedom

[heady iron]

is any of owlboy underground

[uncut citrus]

cave update

[burnt topaz]

the longing takes place underground too

[rapid topaz]

I mean I'm sure Blasphemous isn't too (or at least both sides)

[nimble radish]

I feel like the longing would be a fun game

[brittle garnet]

when making Surface world, it's extremely easy to just make real world landscapes

[nimble radish]

seems very meta which is interesting

[misty shore]

One of the Ark: survival evolved DLCs is entirely underground

[proud dagger]

Minecraft caves were really lame before the update though and honestly I’m still pretty unsatisfied with them

[rotund aurora]

Great game

[brittle garnet]

it's because Minecraft is a bad game

[signal crag]

I’m happy that a quick take on my part is generating a lot of discussion

[opaque sigil]

Random terrain struggles to be interesting

[brittle garnet]

it might be fun to many people but it sure isn't good

[rapid topaz]

By definition yeah

[burnt topaz]

outer wilds does the space thing but a lot of it is still underground

[nimble radish]

outer wilds has two planets where you're underground most of the time

[burnt topaz]

does|| dark bramble|| count as underground? theres not much ground to be under

[rapid topaz]

Most of the time hand-made map looks better than randomly generated but sometimes I'm really surprised of what terrain thoses make

[proud dagger]

What I think they should have done is focused on a) adding more dangers throughout the caving experience and b) adding a bunch of little unique structures and things you can find underground

[uncut citrus]

ah yes yes i know hwat your talking about i totally played all of these games yes yesss

[burnt topaz]

you should play a lot of these games

[dusty nimbus]

Lush caves cause I can't fucking find an azelea tree

[nimble radish]

it transcend the laws of space that allow concepts such as "underground"

[proud dagger]

In general I just think Minecraft needs more challenges that aren’t related to combat because Minecraft combat is just the most boring thing to me.

[rapid topaz]

Ah yes the famous discussion about outer wilds laws of physics

[rotund aurora]

26 hours til the stream starts

[burnt topaz]

(outer wilds dlc) ||also does the stranger count as underground, its just an inverse planet||

[formal kelp]

theres gonna be ancient cities in the deep dark the next update so

[nimble radish]

minecraft isn't really supposed to be challenging so much as a sandbox

[naive flax]

AUHAHAHHAHAHHAH

[onyx harness]

I don't think that ir counts as underground

[uncut citrus]

i am playing the most i can rn i need to finish P5 nail binding, which i just did but died to a stupid bug Hrjahfgnruf

[haughty brook]

So...are we talking about SS right?

[naive flax]

SILKSONG NEWS IN 1 DAY!!!!!!A HAHHAHHAH HAHAAAA

[signal crag]

Thanks for reminding me of a thing i can’t even watch

[nimble radish]

I'd consider the underground segments (which I'm yet to find) underground

[burnt topaz]

the collector?

[proud dagger]

I prefer it when you’re encouraged to be creative to solve a problem rather than just for its own sake though, but to each their own I suppose

[uncut citrus]

Absrad void getting high at phase 4

[burnt topaz]

ooh thats very close, have you practiced with the bindings mod?

[uncut citrus]

if i died to a aspid spawn- shoting me that would be 30min, absrad is 1:30h in

[proud dagger]

Yeah, the new cities are definitely an interesting design choice that really makes you rethink the way you do even basic things. I’m very excited for them, and hopefully more content of the sort in the future.

[uncut citrus]

no but i just practiced without strength, and i had this only probalem was that bug

[burnt topaz]

ah, gl then, its a pain in the ass

[formal kelp]

theres also some runes font in the textures so hopefully there's some links and connections

[signal crag]

Golden era for Minecraft?

In terms of updates

[formal kelp]

we're already in it

[burnt topaz]

im really excited for meeting a bunch of new npcs out in the wild as well as all the ones in the cities

[formal kelp]

I wanna see the architecture TC has thought of, thats always an interesting concept

[burnt topaz]

the patterns on the clocktower cogs are super cool and stuff

[formal kelp]

yes I love the backgrounds so much, I need them

[burnt topaz]

look how pretty this looks

[uncut citrus]

Thank you, i hope ill be able to finish EB before Silksong... Tho thats really annoying that i have to redo NB just because of that especially as NB takes a while (probably way less than CB tho)

[proud dagger]

Honestly as a game rather than as a sandbox, I think there’s a valid point to be made that Minecraft was best in alpha and early beta

[signal crag]

Animated gears, always impressive to look at

[elfin swift]

just think, this is our last night to have sane normal conversation before the channel is completely overrun about this time tomorrow

[burnt topaz]

charm bindings not that bad in comparison tbh
i did nb last purely because of how much more annoying it was

[formal kelp]

me sleeping through all the chaos 💤

[uncut citrus]

really? man thats even worst i hope i wont spend another 5h doing NB while i had it in the palm of my hand...

[rapid topaz]

That's exactly what I thought

Good Luck for tomorrow