sk-discussion

[brittle garnet]

yes it's called clownking

[nimble radish]

pale clown

[marsh ibex]

Infringes on my copy right @brittle garnet

[brittle garnet]

he's no longer all that pale is he now?

[marsh ibex]

I’m taking you to court

[brittle garnet]

the Pale Court?

[marsh ibex]

no

[radiant wraith]

Joker has the rights to clown noses

[marsh ibex]

the basketball courts

[brittle garnet]

excuse me, Jokers are different from Clowns

[marsh ibex]

11:30 tomorrow

Be there or be square

[frank sparrow]

i like squares

[nimble radish]

jokers are a subspecies of clown

[radiant wraith]

Squares are two dimensional
Wanna become two dimensional?

[frank sparrow]

yes

[brittle garnet]

no, more like Clowns are the inbred devolved relatives of Jokers

[radiant wraith]

Try hydraulic press

[turbid kite]

there's a lot of info on clown husbandry on tumblr dot com

[brittle garnet]

and Jokers are like the domesticated version of Jesters

[turbid kite]

you think joker is domestic?

[marsh ibex]

technically I am

I do run a home

[radiant wraith]

Jesters are free jokers, they can do anything

[marsh ibex]

filled with various jokers, jesters, clowns

the jesters are in the attic

[vagrant umbra]

Aren’t we all domesticated, on the inside?

[turbid kite]

yeah i'm a clown herder
i'm a discord mod

i'm significantly more domesticated on the outside than the inside. the inside is just a cesspool of nausea and repressed emotions

[radiant wraith]

It takes a clown to know a clown

[coarse leaf]

so is simo a clown herder herder?

[turbid kite]

he's the carnival master

no wait. benji is the carnival master. simo is like, ? ??? ??

[radiant wraith]

Nightmare heart of the carnival

[serene chasm]

Doesn't Simo actually own the server

[turbid kite]

yeah but simo does not give off authority vibes

even though i haven't seen benji in like. 6 months

[marsh ibex]

Simo is the joking dad who has a history of being in the army

[serene chasm]

True. Speaking of which. I feel like I haven't seen Benji around for a while.

[turbid kite]

maybe benji is playing ss

[serene chasm]

Yes. That's what I'm choosing to read into.

[brittle garnet]

Benji was around just 2 days ago

in #hk-discussion

[serene chasm]

Gross

[radiant wraith]

HK discussion? More like, Deep Focus hate club

[opaque sigil]

HK discussion? More like pat yourself on the back endlessly and make fun of people who have the gall to say that anything in the game isn't entirely trivial

[radiant wraith]

What you thought x was hard?
Cringe

[opaque sigil]

skill issue

[radiant wraith]

I beat x first try

[serene chasm]

Gitgud

[opaque sigil]

pfft you beat x? x is easy. Do rad5ab if you want respect

Otherwise you're bad

[radiant wraith]

Alright, I'm gonna put 30 hours more into the game to gain the approval

[serene chasm]

Basically. #hk-discussion needs to git gud at respecting others

[frank sparrow]

so what you're saying is #sk-discussion is superior

[opaque sigil]

Or just deal with the ego problem

[serene chasm]

Im here, so yes

[random fox]

Ss discussion > hk discussion

[serene chasm]

well until SS comes out and all the shitty HK people come here

[opaque sigil]

[random fox]

Then we get zoteboat disscussion

[opaque sigil]

Or we just stay in #sk-discussion and try to keep things from getting to be elitist and shitty but that's easier said than done

[serene chasm]

We could do that, I guess

[random fox]

Anyways 5 more days till they show ss

[frank sparrow]

this is our channel NO ONE TAKES OVER BUT US

[serene chasm]

Its going to turn into a civil war between the old members and the new

[frank sparrow]

i will commit war crimes

[uncut citrus]

when SS comes out there will be alot of SS player who never played HK in there

[misty shore]

Yeah

[uncut citrus]

so you'll maybe need to be careful with HK spoiler in Silksong discussions

[pastel silo]

I've seen people saying that skill icon may represent grappling hook, but I think it might be this ability instead what you think? Also if grappling is a movement skill that will be probably essential to progress so it wouldn't make sense to have it equippable

[opaque sigil]

I imagine there will be rules about spoilers for both games

[frank sparrow]

oh no- tool talk-

[opaque sigil]

You wouldn't want random HK spoilers in #sk-discussion or random ss spoilers in #hk-discussion

[maiden forge]

Actually crazy to me that edge magazine silksong was almost a year ago time flies fast

[serene chasm]

Always has been

[misty shore]

Tool talk

[frank sparrow]

[misty shore]

Equippable progression skills would actually be super interesting, in my opinion. It can open up late-game exploration even more, with there being an essentially endless amount of progression equippables they could have.

[uncut citrus]

might actually be this but like instead of making you able to use the skill it buffs it, like sharp shadow for exemple, more range on the grappling hook and more dmg? more range on the silk spin? stuff like that

[opaque sigil]

Equippable progression skills would just mean needing to constantly backtrack to benches if you are unlucky enough to have the wrong one equipped

That's not interesting it's tedious

[misty shore]

I guess so, but it can add more strategic preparation to boss fights too

[opaque sigil]

No since you could only reach some fights with a given ability equipped. It reduces the strategic preparation

By restricting options

[misty shore]

Hm.

Alright, fair point. You have slaughtered my statement. I agree.

[marsh ibex]

I mean it might not be restricted

[wheat crescent]

How many days before E3 Leth said that TC won't be there?

[marsh ibex]

You could just have the option to turn it off

[opaque sigil]

Turn what off

[marsh ibex]

[serene chasm]

Maybe you can equip silk spells, instead of having all of them at once.

[opaque sigil]

That would work fine (if be a bit of a letdown) for silk abilities that aren't needed to progress, at least in such a capacity that you couldn't anticipate needing them

[versed pollen]

Holy shit I would love something like that

[brittle garnet]

I think that ability icon is so vague looking that it might not actually be an ability we know about, or it might be something else than a specific ability

for example it might be a global modifier for all your abilities or something

and it might be the default one

[opaque sigil]

Obligatory "Leth not deconfirming something is not confirmation nor support"

[brittle garnet]

Actually, now I'm convinced, the selected white ability we see on that screen is probably one of the default Skills

[pastel silo]

I think the skills from that icon's section will be put here, which is where the silk skills go, thus I don't think it would be just a passive modifier

[opaque sigil]

So the icon in the menu would be a replacement?

[brittle garnet]

I don't mean a passive modifier, I mean that it might change all your skills at once instead of individually

[opaque sigil]

That would be interesting

As opposed to equipping silk abilities you equip a set of them, ig

[wheat crescent]

Why did u deleted ur reply about date?

[brittle garnet]

No, the icon in the menu has an outline, which we know means that it is the one currently equipped

[opaque sigil]

[frank sparrow]

dont trust a person who hasn't slept in 3 days

[brittle garnet]

by the one in the menu you mean the one on the side, not the one in the crest, right?

[opaque sigil]

If it's equipped then why isn't it on the crest

[untold inlet]

Yeah phantoms will spawn above them

[misty shore]

Because they're from different scenes in the trailer?

[brittle garnet]

maybe it is, but it has a different icon on the crest and on the menu

[opaque sigil]

That's just confusing UI

Why would that be how that works

[frank sparrow]

Okay Leth deconfirmed Silksong at E3 on the 18th of May and E3 happened on the 12th of June hope that helps

[opaque sigil]

Are you suggesting these are the same but just have different icons for some reason

[frank sparrow]

i have phantoms above me?

[misty shore]

Oh nvm. They are from the same scene

[brittle garnet]

Actually, this might work like so:
The Crest you have equipped dictates which of your Silk Skills can be replaced,
The item in the menu shows a "group" or "theme" of the skills it takes the form of when replacing the default ones,
The item in the crest shows the individual skill
So the item we see in the menu is the "Default" skill group, which when equipped on this Crest results in the skill in the middle of the crest (which looks like Silk Spear)

[pastel silo]

that spear icon is probably the skill we see in the demo tho

[brittle garnet]

yes that's what I said

[opaque sigil]

Maybe but that seems a tad convoluted

[brittle garnet]

it's not really hard to understand, just hard to explain

[opaque sigil]

I get it it just isn't clearly shown through the UI at all

[misty shore]

I think id rather wait for silksong and see how the system works rather than speculate.

[pastel silo]

I think it's just as simple as , the middle spot is where the silk skills go, and we choose them individually from the upper section

[opaque sigil]

If that's how it works I hope they change that significantly because UI as opaque as that is just bad

[brittle garnet]

Yeah but you will most likely have access to different skills at once, how would you dictate which skill gets swapped?

[pastel silo]

No need for it to be more complicated unless you want more silk skills equipped at the same time, but even then maybe there will be crests that have more silk skill spots

[opaque sigil]

Not having access to different skills at once would kinda suck ngl

[coarse leaf]

islk sogn

[brittle garnet]

I highly doubt that all Skills will be equippable. You will still gain access to permanent skills, just like Spells in HK.

[pastel silo]

Of course, I am talking only about the silk skills, like the spear from the demo, or the one I posted earlier

[brittle garnet]

Skills = Silk Skills

[pastel silo]

Or the parry that they talk about in the edge

[marsh ibex]

Riposte

[brittle garnet]

it's the same thing, just shortened to Skills instead of saying Silk Skills every time

[pastel silo]

But on top of that there will obviously be the progression skills

[opaque sigil]

Silk skills being equippable in general would not be ideal, especially if you can only pick one

[primal oriole]

I doubt only picking one would be permanent

[pastel silo]

Well not excactly because what I call silk skills are those that can be equipped into that middle spot. Skills in general can include progression skills that are not equippable

[primal oriole]

I'd guess you can have 3 for higher level crests, and there's maybe 6 in total

[opaque sigil]

Permanence of the selection isn't really in question

Of course you wouldn't have to permanently pick one

[brittle garnet]

but they all cost Silk, so why would only the equipable ones be called that?

[primal oriole]

right I mean crests only having one slot will change

[opaque sigil]

Eh, Reaper seems relatively advanced and it only has one

[pastel silo]

Sure, I just didn't think of a different name for the pool of skills which are equippable for that middle spot

[opaque sigil]

Then again two of each tool slot may be mid game or smth

[brittle garnet]

That's why I think my system is the best solution we have right now, that doesn't clash with any existing systems, because the Crest decides which skill you can replace

[primal oriole]

might also be that you can balance between silk skills and other types of tool with different crests

[marsh ibex]

Funny story, I was just in the Skul server, clicked on this one, and then forgot. So I thought you were talking about the Reaper skull being complicated and I had composed two paragraphs on how dumb you were before realizing.

[opaque sigil]

So like multicolor slots?

[opaque sigil]

Show

[marsh ibex]

I deleted it

[opaque sigil]

Type it again

[marsh ibex]

No

[opaque sigil]

[uncut citrus]

[brittle garnet]

thing is, not all Crests have a middle slot, we don't know how many will have them, and we don't know how many will be possible at once.
Equipable skills will HAVE to replace default skills, otherwise there won't be enough buttons to activate them all.

unless there's less than 3 Default skills, but that would be weird

[opaque sigil]

Equippable skills replacing a base skill would work if neither the equippable nor base skill would be needed for progression

[brittle garnet]

or if they could still fill the same role for progression

[primal oriole]

no like, this crest is balanced evenly with all 3 colours, and it has 1 white

maybe other crests at a similar point in the game have more white slots and less coloured ones

[opaque sigil]

Then yeah maybe

[brittle garnet]

it seems obvious that skills like Silk Spear, which is just required to break something your needle can't, could be easily replaced with anything else that also deals damage

[low atlas]

Hey everyone, I brought some extra clown make-up

[marsh ibex]

no

[opaque sigil]

Silk spear might be a one time thing though

[full rune]

yes

[marsh ibex]

Bad youtuber

[brittle garnet]

I highly doubt that

[marsh ibex]

back into the nether

[low atlas]

[brittle garnet]

Notice that the crest we know of that has a white slot also has 6 colored slots

which is twice as much as the default crest

[opaque sigil]

Yes that was noticed

[brittle garnet]

Also I don't think they would make you choose between alternate skills or more tools, because one is a trade-off, which seems more for customization, and another is actual progression of power

That is if equipable skills do in fact replace default ones (which I am 100% sure they will)

[opaque sigil]

I mean silk spear would arguably be the "default" skill regardless of how the system handles it

[brittle garnet]

If they even exist, this might not even be equipable skills

Though it seems like it and it would be very cool, I'm not sure.

[opaque sigil]

Equippable skills could also fall into the problem of discouraging players from using new skills

[brittle garnet]

?

[uncut citrus]

preparing for TGA i see

[opaque sigil]

Because in order to use a new one they have to unequip one they're used to

[brittle garnet]

This is already the case with limited slots of a certain color

you need to unequip the one you were using to make space for a new one

[opaque sigil]

Yes, it's not ideal

But the fact that it was a necessary evil in one case doesn't make it not undesirable in another

[brittle garnet]

well, Monster Hunter Rise had basically this exact same feature and I did not find myself discouraged from using new moves at all

[opaque sigil]

Well a lot of those moves were upgrades tbf

[signal crag]

then it depends how much players are curious to try new stuff i guess

[uncut citrus]

seriously tammo how many times do you change pfp per day? must be probably like 1.4 or something everyday i see a new one but they all looks relatively the same

[brittle garnet]

Players don't need to like every tool, skill or attack

[opaque sigil]

However many times I feel like

[brittle garnet]

If they like the default one over a new one, nothing wrong with that

[opaque sigil]

No, but they should at least feel encouraged to try the new ones

[brittle garnet]

eh

they are, in the fact that they don't know what it does

[signal crag]

but if every tool you collected could still make the player "stronger" (at least indirectly), like Salubra selling charm notches, that would be pretty pog

[brittle garnet]

curiosity is like the biggest encouragement

[opaque sigil]

Fair

[uncut citrus]

the day tammo keeps a pfp for a week will be the day silksong will release

[brittle garnet]

I remember when Tammo had a Quirrel pfp for a long time

[opaque sigil]

I've done that before

[nimble radish]

quirrel was around for ages

[silver oak]

You've stuck with your current pfp for a while I think

[pastel silo]

I mean getting a new skill is itself an encouragement to try it out isn't it? And after you try it you decide whether it fits your playstyle or not. Sure you might need your muscle memory to readapt from using the old skill but I guess whether that's bad or not is subjective as I personally like to try out different kits

[narrow lava]

quirrel is a dilf

[opaque sigil]

It's been less than 24 hours

[nimble radish]

to each their own I guess

[silver oak]

Did I specify how long a while is

[nimble radish]

all these characters look the same smh

[uncut citrus]

a while for you

[full rune]

actually funny

[silver oak]

Aren't they all from Fire Emblem

[brittle garnet]

Because, realistically, what could the white slot be? I'm asking for the exact way it works

[drifting galleon]

Is it true that ss will release in February

[silver oak]

Probably not

[brittle garnet]

no

[nimble radish]

no it's going to be earlier than that

[narrow lava]

yes, if yes meant no

[silver oak]

We're not sure but the leak is almost certainly fake

[full rune]

if it was there'd probably be TC talk about it no?

[opaque sigil]

I don't think we have enough information to infer the exact way it works

[uncut citrus]

are you really still talking about Silksong? this is #sk-discussion my dude, we dont do that there

[drifting galleon]

Alright, thanks for the answers!

[primal oriole]

not fake so much as not relevant to the real release date (unless you're talking about a different leak)

[nimble radish]

don't Garmond me
I'm right

[brittle garnet]

yeah but speculating works, based off of what we can infer from what we've seen, and from how HK worked.

[opaque sigil]

HK didn't really have any analogous system and what we've seen of the white slots is kinda just weird

[drifting galleon]

I mean, to be fair; TC is the type of team to announce the release a week before it actually releases

[silver oak]

What do the "white slots" refer to?

[uncut citrus]

friendly reminder that alot of things in screen or in the demo could still be in dev and not actually be like that in the game so its unless to theorise on it for now

[full rune]

slots that are white

[silver oak]

And by that you mean that's what they did for HK and it's the only datapoint we have

[brittle garnet]

because, IF we assume that: everything in the screenshot is finished/final, the white slot is for equipping skills, and Skills work the same as Spells,
then the way I outlined the mechanic to work seems to be the best explaination

[silver oak]

Oh the ones with the white border

[opaque sigil]

Sure that could work I just don't think the UI indicates that very well and so I'm somewhat skeptical

[silver oak]

It may have something to do with crests specifically

But I feel like it's more likely to have crest buffs be built in

[brittle garnet]

also, both the equipped tools are also outlined in the side menu, so it seems obvious that the white outlined thing is also equipped

[opaque sigil]

I'm not disagreeing I'm just not 100% confident in how it works

[brittle garnet]

would be weird if that wasn't the case

[silver oak]

Another option is it's just a graphical glitch

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but also the white things are different from tools design wise so maybe they just have a circle in the design sometimes

[silver oak]

Or a placeholder texture

[signal crag]

sounds a bit silly they couldn't fix it for the screenshot tho

[silver oak]

Yeah but there are some UI bugs in the trailer

[signal crag]

i mean if it was actually a glitch

[silver oak]

The game isn't finished, remember

[brittle garnet]

if you scroll up a bit, I was talking about it. I think that the Crest will decide which skill you can swap out, and you will not collect any individual skill to equip, but rather skill "categories/groups/themes" which will take different forms depending on which skill they replace

[silver oak]

That seems really complicated ngl

[brittle garnet]

yeah but it also explains what we see

assuming it's not a placeholder or bug

[analog forge]

Bind essential skills to the d pad and bind tools to the bumpers and triggers

[pastel silo]

But why would we need it to be themes or packages of skills instead of individual skills? Just so you may have more silk skills in use at once?

[analog forge]

its not complicated

[opaque sigil]

Some people do use the dpad to move but that's an option

[brittle garnet]

that won't work because other things are already bound to Bumpers and Triggers

[analog forge]

like?

[opaque sigil]

Dash, map, tool (according to demo but that may be x now)

[brittle garnet]

and probaly the song ability will be there too, assuming it's an ability like the dream nail

[analog forge]

I dont think hornet will have a dash, and map, sure

[opaque sigil]

She has a dash

[brittle garnet]

we literally saw the dash in the demo

[analog forge]

song ability, wot.

[opaque sigil]

Song ability may not be anything beyond a contextual interaction imo

[silver oak]

"Needolin" or whatever

[analog forge]

Oh, the instrument

[brittle garnet]

yeah, it might, that's why I said "Assuming..."

[analog forge]

Might be a menu thing.

[brittle garnet]

But there's already 3 buttons taken

[analog forge]

not like your using it in combat

[brittle garnet]

just like you activated the dream nail from the menu, right?

[analog forge]

Dream nail was useful in combat

[brittle garnet]

we don't know if this won't be

[silver oak]

It's good game design to simplify your often used controls as much as possible

[opaque sigil]

Red tool also has x as an input not but it may have x and r1 in order to accommodate two

[analog forge]

Why would it be useful in combat?

[serene chasm]

Hornet will defeat her enemies with the power of ROCK!

[opaque sigil]

Also up/down A is still an option for inputs

[brittle garnet]

oh right, tool was X, it was the Skill button that was on Bumper/Trigger

[opaque sigil]

I think bumper was tool in demo?

[silver oak]

hammer

[brittle garnet]

no, in the demo tool was X, and bumper was Skill

[tawdry valley]

If at any point I can de-evolve Hornets combat ability to be more akin to a caveman, I will do so

[analog forge]

look, ok, silksong will just have to invent a new controller

[opaque sigil]

Those may have just been swapped or smth

[brittle garnet]

ah, so I did confuse them in the end

[analog forge]

its just that simple

[opaque sigil]

X being tool comes from Edge

That being "Throw Tool"

[analog forge]

maybe sprint ability comes from a secret tool

[brittle garnet]

no

impossible

[silver oak]

"Throw tool" kinda confuses me ngl

[opaque sigil]

I could also see x and r1 being red tool buttons but it's kind of weird to split them up like that and monopolize a button even when a player has only one equipped

[silver oak]

The word throw implies an action I wouldn't associate with either HK or a menu

[opaque sigil]

So long as it isn't tool cycling I'll take it tho

Don't have it in MG

[silver oak]

It's an unlockable thing

[opaque sigil]

The button would presumably be pressed outside of the menu

[silver oak]

Like why wouldn't they use the word "use" instead

[opaque sigil]

I mean if it comes packaged with dash, that's why

[full rune]

she had a stroke and has to learn how to walk and run again

[brittle garnet]

because it's also the Dash

[analog forge]

hornet is crippled by the fall

[normal token]

Let me have sprint from the beginning dammit

[silver oak]

Because of the dash, it allows you to reach farther places

Or ig the sprint jump

[full rune]

it's also why she talks nonsensical, forgot how to talk

[normal token]

Headcanon: Hornet wears high heels till she finds the sprint ability

[silver oak]

Well SHAW isn't exactly English either

[brittle garnet]

Sprint allows you to: Dash, Ground-Pogo and Long Jump
I think that's unlock-worthy

[opaque sigil]

Well if it were independent of dash I could see it being a tad lackluster but it doesn't seem to be

[pastel silo]

damn why did I have to recheck the edge magazine again, seeing how beautiful SS looks now makes me overly hyped again

[silver oak]

Jumping that high in heels is pretty impressive ngl

[brittle garnet]

them not being individual skills would explain why the icon is not the same in the menu as in the slot

[silver oak]

Holy shit just remembered it's December 4th

[pastel silo]

wait , you think that icon above is the same that is equipped?

i don't think its the case

[silver oak]

A year ago today was when I started being active on this server

[brittle garnet]

well, obviously, since it's outlined, like the other 2 equipped items

[primal oriole]

my best guess is that the crest has a default change to the skill

[pastel silo]

all the silk skills just have the white outline imo

[primal oriole]

and you choose a skill to apply that change to

[brittle garnet]

judging from the single one you've seen?

[primal oriole]

I'd like.ot of there were more than 3 skills you could swap between, but that would make progression weird

[brittle garnet]

oh yeah, that is the other possibility, the reverse of what I came up with, the Crest decides what the skill gets changed into and the one you equip decides which gets changed

[opaque sigil]

Unless they aren't needed for progression

[pastel silo]

At least I know understand your idea , I was a bit confused because I didn't know you think that equipped skill is the same as the one we see in the section

[brittle garnet]

it would be weird if it weren't

since both the other equipped items are outlined

[opaque sigil]

Be kinda weird either way ngl

[pastel silo]

Idk I find it weirder if it would change icon when equipped

[primal oriole]

we know of 4 silk skills currently right?

[opaque sigil]

Parry silk spear gossamer storm grapple
Yeah 4

[primal oriole]

maybe grapple is a variation of the spear? idk

[opaque sigil]

It could be ig

[pastel silo]

Yea it's just what I think it will be like, but ure right we can't confirm either by any means rn.

[silver oak]

Do we know if parry is a silk ability?

[brittle garnet]

I'd rather believe that an equipable follows the pattern of other equipables, rather than going against it for whatever reason

[brittle garnet]

it costs Silk, so it seems like it

[primal oriole]

in the trailer, though, so it could change

[brittle garnet]

Could

[pastel silo]

I mean one reason the silk skills would be outlined could be that unlike tools icons , the silk skills icons may clash with each other too much when put next to each other as they may not be as distinct as tools ...but idk

[brittle garnet]

but I'd rather bank on something we know, than the possibility of it having been changed since

[silver oak]

Like when she parries the citadel knight? That costs silk?

[brittle garnet]

yeah

[pastel silo]

I also think that will be an equippable skill

[silver oak]

Huh
You learn something new every day

[silver oak]

I think the level of customization SS will have is way less then you realize

It’s still a metroidvania

[pastel silo]

I mean I base my realization on the crest we see. There is a middle spot for skills so I assume there is a pool of skills

[opaque sigil]

Metroidvanias and customization aren't mutually exclusive

[pastel silo]

And because parry is not an essential skill for progression I think it would fit being an equippable skill

[primal oriole]

the difficulty there is just button efficiency

[silver oak]

We don’t know if the slot in the middle is for eqiupables, do we?

[primal oriole]

are there 2 buttons for silk skills? are there 2 permanent ones, and 1 that can change?

[primal oriole]

has a circle around it, so probably

[pastel silo]

It looks like it tho doesn't it? And above the tools section there seems to be a section dedicated to skills

[brittle garnet]

HK already had 40 Charms

[opaque sigil]

I mean you can have multiple silk skills on a button, three viably

Up, down, neutral

[primal oriole]

imo either all silk skills have to be optional or none of them

[opaque sigil]

left/right would make aiming a pain in the ass

[silver oak]

And by that you mean you’ve seen half of one of them

[opaque sigil]

Kinda yeah

[brittle garnet]

that doesn't have to be the case if alternate versions of the same skill could fulfil the same roles

[silver oak]

And I would bet that SS will have as many or more tools, it’s just having basic skills be equippable seems pretty tedious

[brittle garnet]

or if they didn't change drastically

[opaque sigil]

If the supposition is variants of one skill then that would mean the base skill is needed, so the latter of the eventualities name said

[silver oak]

They would have to work around none of them being required

At least not until late game

[opaque sigil]

Or just not make obstacles that need them

[brittle garnet]

well, it's like
If you need a skill to break web barriers,
won't like, any damaging skill do the trick?

that's not very limiting

[primal oriole]

not really, imo

[silver oak]

But still, if you’re deep in an area and you’re like “the silk spear would be useful here” you would either have to go back or purposefully die, which are neither good game design tactics

[primal oriole]

silk spear shoots out and breaks things

[pastel silo]

So you think that the idea of this being a section dedicated to silk skills is too far fetched?

What else would it be in your opinion?

[silver oak]

No
But still, the info we have is so limited

[pastel silo]

That's why we only speculate

[silver oak]

Sure we can use speculation
But you seem like you’re pretty sure about this

[pastel silo]

I always say ''I think'' or ''In my opinion'' as to not make it sound like facts

[silver oak]

I guess I misunderstood you then

[pastel silo]

np , I didn't mean to be confrontational, I was seriously curious about what you think it might be if you disagree

[silver oak]

I just think there’s a few inconsistencies with this screenshot that makes me think a lot of this is subject to change

Like the colors of the rings around each equipped tool

One has a mark at the top while the others don’t, and they’re all different levels of brightness

[pastel silo]

Maybe it has mark because it's an active

[primal oriole]

the red tool is selected right now

[opaque sigil]

The mark at the top is probably to denote something about the controls for the red tools

[primal oriole]

that's my guess for why it's brighter

[silver oak]

Yeah but why do the other two types have no mark at all?

[opaque sigil]

They don't need one

[primal oriole]

because they aren't used, presumably

[silver oak]

So do you think they’re both passive buffs?

[pastel silo]

I think only the red ones are active

[silver oak]

If so what’s the distinction between blue and yellow

[opaque sigil]

For red ones noting the order in which tools are equipped could matter, as much is not necessarily true for blue/yellow

[primal oriole]

my guess is blue ones do a thing, just not at the direct input of the player

and yellow ones are fully passive changes

[silver oak]

Well they all do a thing

[opaque sigil]

Could be arbitrary, thematic, mechanical beyond passive/active, all sorts of things

[primal oriole]

I mean like, thorns of agony

its not something the player inputs to control, but it's an active effect

[silver oak]

Ig

But then what’s the point where something stops being an active effect

[primal oriole]

I don't really know though, well see

[silver oak]

What about stuff like spore shroom

[opaque sigil]

Arbitrary

[primal oriole]

spore shrooms would be blue in this system, I think

[opaque sigil]

That sort of thing could fall to TC to decide on a case-by-case basis

But yeah spore shroom would be pretty clearly blue

ig you could maybe rephrase it as intermittent vs ubiquitous effectiveness

[silver oak]

Also, not mechanic related at all but what do you suppose “reaper” refers to? Sounds very foreboding

[opaque sigil]

Like it's either always doing something or it only activates on certain triggers

[stark estuary]

I think that Reaper is a good skull yes

[opaque sigil]

[primal oriole]

Hornet gets taught a skill by a Weaver and is told that she needs to do some cleaning for the kingdom and by cleaning I do mean mass homicide

[silver oak]

What blackwyrm have you the reaper crest

I was gonna edit it but the autocorrect mess it made was really funny

Aaaand I killed chat, nice

[mortal bluff]

No you didn’t

[silver oak]

Well there was conversation
And then it stopped

[mortal bluff]

Don’t you ever think that

[silver oak]

And most likely the people who were talking aren’t sitting around waiting to jump back in

[mortal bluff]

Your so much more than a chat killer

[stark estuary]

Chat only died because you referred to me as “Blackwyrm”, which is a forbidden word and should never be spoken.

[silver oak]

What’s that

Who’s blackwyrm

[mortal bluff]

#hk-lore

[coarse leaf]

Any news about kirb

[stark estuary]

No

[brittle garnet]

I think blue slots are for Passives that affect Combat, while Yellow slots are for passives that only affect exploration

[uncut citrus]

Who's Kirb? i only know blackwyrm

[coarse leaf]

Ye

[opaque sigil]

That would kinda invalidate some crests for some activities but ig that's not the end of the world

[silver oak]

It’s possible the tool types could roughly connect with the quest types

[brittle garnet]

The red tools are the only ones activated with a separate button, the marks are there to indicate how to activate them with multiple equipped
The other tools are passive, hence they don't need this mark

[normal token]

Yes, I kidnapped him

[silver oak]

They have the same colors after all

[opaque sigil]

But blue not green

[signal crag]

oof, so close

that could have been a neat connection

[coarse leaf]

There’s probably combat defense and combat offense and the exploration

[stark estuary]

Wrong

[coarse leaf]

Nooo

[silver oak]

Was the menu accessible in the demo?

[opaque sigil]

The tool menu wasn't

[silver oak]

Or at least like a stunted version of it

[brittle garnet]

For example the Mask we see on Hornet's health, or the green bead on her Silk Spool, I think that would be a blue tool
While the "Necklace that increases Shell Shards gained" mentioned in EDGE would be a yellow tool

[opaque sigil]

The necklace mentioned in edge is a crest

[brittle garnet]

no?

[pastel silo]

I remember it being mentioned as tool as well

would need to reread it tho

[opaque sigil]

Pellen uses Rosary Beads to purchase a necklace from a shop in Bonebottom that will allow him to collect more Shell Shards from creatures, “[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”

[brittle garnet]

the thing in Square brackets isn't what William actually said, it's what Jen filled in there for context about what they were talking about, which William omitted from his sentence

[opaque sigil]

Which is selected based on context which she would know

[silver oak]

But it still applies

It’s not like she would just make up shit for them

[mortal bluff]

Is Hornet racist

[brittle garnet]

I think she actually made a mistake there and he was talking about Tools, especially since right before this sentence they were juxtaposing it with charms

[stark estuary]

What

[pastel silo]

So we assume each crest will have it's own passive as well?

[opaque sigil]

I mean Jen had the context, her analysis has stronger foundations

[coarse leaf]

I think hornet went to school because she keeps saying grammar

[silver oak]

Well that depends if it’s built in or a separate equippable thing

[stark estuary]

Deepnest Schools would probably be pretty shitty tho

[opaque sigil]

And they weren't comparing Crests to the mechanics of charms

“Unlike the charms, which had this vague sense of socketing into the Knight’s shell in some sort of creepy way,” Gibson says, as Pellen uses Rosary Beads to purchase a necklace from a shop in Bonebottom that will allow him to collect more Shell Shards from creatures, “[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”

[digital junco]

me when i say grammar

[opaque sigil]

This isn't a mechanical comparison it's a "Hornet wears crests instead of having weird notch things"

[brittle garnet]

yeah, this analogy seems to imply it's talking about the Tools, since the Tools are the actual equippable

[opaque sigil]

Not really

[brittle garnet]

he said Charms, not Notches

[silver oak]

Yeah she wears the crests and then inserts the tools into them

[opaque sigil]

“Unlike the charms, which had this vague sense of socketing into the Knight’s shell in some sort of creepy way,” Gibson says, as Pellen uses Rosary Beads to purchase a necklace from a shop in Bonebottom that will allow him to collect more Shell Shards from creatures,** “[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”**

That's the comparison. It's not mechanical in the least

[pastel silo]

Wait you took it out from context the first time...now we can clearly see that they were comparing the charms to crests and william buying the necklace is just an extra note of what he was doing while saying it.

[opaque sigil]

It's about how the systems would make sense within the world

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, but they were talking about the actual Equippables, which are the Tools, while Crests are more analogue to Notches

[uncut citrus]

Herrah wanted her to be of high breed, she probably want her to have a nice education so she paid the weavers to teach them which means hornet can make seals

[opaque sigil]

They weren't talking about the mechanics

[brittle garnet]

That's not mechanics, that's comparing the analogue between games

[opaque sigil]

They were talking about crests and comparing crests to how weird notches are

[uncut citrus]

seriously a weaver might teach us to make a seal in SS

[opaque sigil]

notches are how the charms had a vague sense of socketing into the shell

[uncut citrus]

didnt even thought about that seriously but like if weavers can hornet can probably as well

[opaque sigil]

“Unlike the charms, which had this vague sense of socketing into the Knight’s shell in some sort of creepy way,”
ie notches
“[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”
crests

[brittle garnet]

But that doesn't make sense, so you Equip your tools into a necklace, brooch, bracelet? It makes way more sense that the tools themselves would be the Necklaces, Brooches and Bracelets

[opaque sigil]

It makes sense

[brittle garnet]

no

[opaque sigil]

Hornet wears the crest, attaches tools to the crest. This is consistent with the mechanics, too

[coarse leaf]

Best theory

[opaque sigil]

This is explicitly stated and makes total sense

[uncut citrus]

Hornet went to a private school

[brittle garnet]

The Crest seems like a more nebulous thing than something wearable

[opaque sigil]

I'm assuming Jen isn't a drooling idiot who can't understand words

[brittle garnet]

You're assuming it was impossible for her to make a mistake

[normal token]

Jen who?

[pastel silo]

But William doesn't mean it as that crests are aquired literally in form of necklaces and bracelets.

[normal token]

Oh the EDGE writer nm

[opaque sigil]

Read the goddamn quote this isn't ambiguous

“[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”

[coarse leaf]

Where r u gettin these quotes from

[opaque sigil]

What [] means is that the word is substituted in order to make sense but from context it was wholly clear. This isn't a guess it's paraphrasing

[brittle garnet]

Yes, this seems to be talking about the Tools, since we saw tools that could be described as wearables of some kind, while we did not see Crests that could

[opaque sigil]

That's a baseless guess

And many tools aren't wearable anyways

[brittle garnet]

Well, it makes more sense from the structure of the entire paragraph as well as what we know

[opaque sigil]

It does not

[coarse leaf]

what

Ah

[opaque sigil]

.

Read the actual comparison being made. This is about how the systems make sense in the universe

[mortal bluff]

It’s a simple question

[opaque sigil]

Not about how they behave

[coarse leaf]

uhh i dont think so

[opaque sigil]

As opposed to socketing charms into notches, Hornet sockets tools into crests which are wearable objects

[coarse leaf]

Most bugs r racist because they don’t like black bugs (void)

[opaque sigil]

You can't just ignore explicit an statement because you don't like it

[coarse leaf]

no im pretty sure they're just mindless zombie slaves to the literal sun god equivalent of this world

[brittle garnet]

at the start of this section, she says
"...While the Reaper Crest might give you 6 slots to deck out. Well, bling out, perhaps."
slots(where the Tools go) - to bling out

[coarse leaf]

thats not really racist

[mortal bluff]

Hornet is killing random pharloom workers

[coarse leaf]

hornet hates the working class

[brittle garnet]

Talking about the wearables refers back to this sentence

[coarse leaf]

thats still not racist

[opaque sigil]

Reaper is a crest, the wearables is talking about a crest, you would bling out a wearable thing by adding to it. Wow. Shocking.

[mortal bluff]

She hates non hallownest bros

[brittle garnet]

you bling out the Slots, not the Crest

[opaque sigil]

Also if you're arguing that she's referring to crests erroneously she would be inconsistent by that interpretation

[pastel silo]

Yes this is correct but William doesn't say that crests are represented literally in form of necklecases and braceletes , he compares crest's physicality to those types of items.

[brittle garnet]

as in, decorate them, by adding wearable items to them

[opaque sigil]

Conjecture

[uncut citrus]

dude its a joke and a really borderline one, why are you still talking about it

[brittle garnet]

what you say is also conjecture

[opaque sigil]

This is literally explicit

Not conjecture in the least

[pastel silo]

What makes it confusing is that while he was saying it he was buying a necklace item, which can be a tool. But then he compares the physicality of crests to items like necklaces and bracelets compared to notches

[opaque sigil]

“[Crests] are more along this line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.” Pellen jokes: “It’s cool, it means we can get fan art of Hornet wearing everything.” To which Gibson deadpans: “We’ll do it if no one else does.”
You can't change that this is explicitly stated

[pastel silo]

Doesn't mean crests themselves are aquired in form of necklaces and such

[opaque sigil]

And no the brackets don't invalidate things because that's not what brackets mean

[brittle garnet]

words in square brackets within quotes are inserted or changed by the writer, so the word Crest was not said by Wiliam

that's all they mean

[opaque sigil]

Do you know under what circumstances brackets would be used

[brittle garnet]

whenever the writer wants, technically

[opaque sigil]

Are you arguing that Jen is being deceptive

[brittle garnet]

I'm arguing that Jen made a mistake or misinterpreted William's meaning

[opaque sigil]

Or that they said "tools" and she replaced it with "crests"

[opaque sigil]

You have no basis from which to argue that. Jen had the full context, her opinion has a basis

[brittle garnet]

doesn't mean I'm automatically wrong

[opaque sigil]

Also brackets as often as not are just grammatical tweaks

[primal oriole]

presumably he said "they"

[opaque sigil]

They referring to crests, which Jen adjusted in order to use as a quote

Because that's what brackets are for

And that is what brackets mean

[cerulean tree]

the crests are like the notch system and the tools are like charms, right?

[opaque sigil]

Pretty much kinda except both are more than their predecessors

[pastel silo]

The necklace william buys while saying that may just still be a tool, it's just that he compared crest's physicality to necklaces and such that makes you think that particular necklace he bought is a crest.

[cerulean tree]

yeah exactly but same premise

[opaque sigil]

“[Crests] are more along this** line of pendants, and necklaces, and brooches, and bracelets, and things that have some evidence of being wearable.”**
Not about physicality

Read. The. Quote.

[pastel silo]

Well can't find the correct word for it, idk wearability?

[signal crag]

Wait, wasn’t there a comment from TC that, if fans didn’t drawn fanarts of hornet wearing those, then they would have done that themself?

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[dusty nimbus]

Hornet customisation?

[opaque sigil]

Pellen jokes: “It’s cool, it means we can get fan art of Hornet wearing everything.” To which Gibson deadpans: “We’ll do it if no one else does.”

[coarse leaf]

yh, tools seem to work in the same context

[opaque sigil]

Oh boy backpedaling

[dusty nimbus]

POV:You are TC and have released news

[opaque sigil]

Now it's "oh you can't prove the necklace isn't a tool" which is an absurd position

[signal crag]

Is that a good thing?
I’m not even sure anymore

[opaque sigil]

The clear implication of the quote is that the necklace is a crest

[coarse leaf]

aren't they suggesting that she made a mistake saying crest though

[opaque sigil]

That's a bad argument too

Because brackets aren't guesses

[coarse leaf]

two plus two is four minus one that's three quick maths

[bleak musk]

hornet should get a cannon at some point

[dusty nimbus]

[bleak musk]

because as we all know, bitches love cannons

[brittle garnet]

Brackets are whatever the writer thinks they should be

[opaque sigil]

They're paraphrastic

[brittle garnet]

They are still whatever the writer thinks they should be, which means they can still be mistaken about it.

[opaque sigil]

Unless you are arguing that Jen is trying to mislead

[dusty nimbus]

Hornet is British confirmed

[opaque sigil]

Jen has better sources than you do

[primal oriole]

she could be wrong, but that would be so weird

[opaque sigil]

It would be nonsensical, she'd need to be incompetent

[tall hinge]

case 1: hornet sipping tea

[pastel silo]

My point from the start was that he was buying a necklace (which may be a tool , an item or whatever) while he was explaining the differences of notches and crests and comparing crest's sign of wearability to trinkets like necklaces, bracelets and such...but that doesn't mean that crests will be in form of those trinkets , he just wanted to convey the wearability of crests

[pallid flare]

what else could they be?

[signal crag]

Wouldn’t be the first time someone was wrong about something regarding silksong

[coarse leaf]

i mean, if its causing controversy now, its understandable she understood wrong

[pallid flare]

hi pizza

[opaque sigil]

No

[opaque sigil]

All that's happening is that it's inconsistent with people's assumptions so they're challenging the source instead of reconsidering the assumptions

[primal oriole]

why the hell would individual tools be separate objects, when we see that they fit into crests

[potent plover]

Do you guys think we will get to kill NPC's, Say, Sherma for example?

[dusty nimbus]

Case 2: Hornet travels to other lands as a colonist

[brittle garnet]

Yeah but the source is also using an interpretation

[primal oriole]

like whybwould you wear a bomb

[opaque sigil]

A much, much, much stronger one

[pallid flare]

what is being said before that quote?

[opaque sigil]

One based on direct contextual statements from devs

[primal oriole]

absolutely Sherma, probably not others as much

I hope killing Lace is at least an option

[pallid flare]

i hope we can kill sherma

[potent plover]

Thank god

[dusty nimbus]

Idk, ask suicide bombers

[coarse leaf]

are there other places they used square brackets?

[brittle garnet]

in that paragraph they are talking about both tools and crests

[bleak musk]

"my shell is so thick you'd need an anti-wyrm needle to pierce it, and I don't even see a PIECE on your ass"
"Little spider, if you would"
"Bitches love cannons"
"oh fuck, thats an anti wyrm needle. OH FUCK, THATS AN ANTI WYRM NEEDLE"

[steady sage]

dang why all the sherma hate?

[potent plover]

why not

[primal oriole]

I unironically think Sherma will probably be killable

[opaque sigil]

[potent plover]

Sherma canonically doesn't even know how to pull a lever ( Basically )

[dusty nimbus]

I like how you didn't add the bit about the thickness of his shell

[tall hinge]

[steady sage]

I like sherma, but maybe a death like the hollowknight npcs that die based on your choices

[primal oriole]

there's the whole thing of bugs on pilgrimages to the Citadel being forced into doing things

[bleak musk]

i forgot about it tbh, i feel bad now

[opaque sigil]

Like ok you don't have to say "ok maybe I'm not right in my initial assumption" but come on you must realize this is a ridiculous argument

Just drop it

[potent plover]

I will kill radabsrad 72 times if it means sherma gets to die in silksong

[dusty nimbus]

Don't be, it's better not to write that part in this server anyway

[brittle garnet]

But you do agree it's possible Jen made a mistake in interpretation?

[bleak musk]

fair enough

actually, walter and hornet both use "string" to attack so

[wintry furnace]

short question

[opaque sigil]

Are you reducing your argument to that

[coarse leaf]

someone should just ask her on twitter lol

[wintry furnace]

there is still no release date right?

[primal oriole]

no

[potent plover]

No release date

[bleak musk]

youd think thered be an announcement if there was

[wintry furnace]

thanks

[dusty nimbus]

Maybe little ghost is the big booby police girl and THK is Alucard

[brittle garnet]

I did, but dunno when or if I'll get an answer

[steady sage]

i bet we get one by the 24th

[bleak musk]

literally grimmchild tho

[sullen fractal]

Bruh i'm gonna graduate and have less time to play all the cool stuff coming out next year 😦

[potent plover]

We all agree to hate Sherma, But who will we all agree to love?

[steady sage]

still hoping for a February release..

[bleak musk]

grimm is an analogue to dracula, and grimmchild is grimms kid. thus, alucard

[sullen fractal]

Kinda wish I was a year late

[wintry furnace]

oh that would be nice haha but i already hoped soo much for it in the summer holidays

[opaque sigil]

"Maybe the person with all the context and the direct conversation with the developers happened to make a significant error during a direct conversation and never realized it during the writeup because she wasn't paying attention" Yeah sure but that's not a realistic likelihood

Much more likely that the clear explicit statement is right

[dusty nimbus]

Nah Grimm child is probably the catthing

[pastel silo]

Jen didn't have to make a mistake for the necklace that William was buying to be a tool....the problem is that he was comparing the wearability of crests to things like necklaces while buying a necklace, that makes tammo thing the necklace HAS to be a crest

[steady sage]

yeah wehn the article and stuff came out i assumend that the release date wasnt far off

I think the sherma hate is misplaced

[bleak musk]

eh i guess, maybe a grown up grimmchild would be alucard. fits the aesthetic

[opaque sigil]

Aaaand appeal to ignorance

[primal oriole]

it's much better to just assume that the article is accurate than to worry about the possibility that Jen misinterpreted something

[misty shore]

Silksong genocide route 🤔

[mortal bluff]

I remember thinking silksong could come out late 2019

[wintry furnace]

yess i wanted to spent all of my free time in it but its still not there haha

[bleak musk]

now i kinda wanna draw grimm as hsu alucard

[pallid flare]

It is possible that she may have made a mistake but does that really matter?

[dusty nimbus]

Grimm does not explode into thousands of souls, the knight does

[opaque sigil]

ig it does if it contradicts your assumption

[bleak musk]

the knight isnt red, flawless argument

[potent plover]

nah just pacifist route except kill Sherma

[dusty nimbus]

Just add one of the grimm troupe knight skins and you're done with the design

[potent plover]

nobody will know Sherma was killed as nobody cares about them so it's still pacifist

[bleak musk]

grimm knight skin, hollow point mod, boom alucard

[dusty nimbus]

Imagine grimm knight talking about its 70 inch plasma screen tv with netflix

[bleak musk]

"that. was a 70 inch. plasma screen. tv. so, how can i help you"

[misty shore]

Understandable

[coarse leaf]

love how 2 completely different discussions are going on rn

[bleak musk]

the one i sparked is better

you guys think hornet pays taxes

[opaque sigil]

When she strings up rosaries yeah

[bleak musk]

i hope silksong has a tax fraud mechanic

[potent plover]

what are we all talking about again? I forgot since I was focusing on hating Sherma

[opaque sigil]

16.5% tax or smth

[dusty nimbus]

She's not registered in the government

[bleak musk]

talking about how you all owe me $30

because i definitely mentioned that ever

[potent plover]

For what? Tell me

[bleak musk]

you know

[dusty nimbus]

Shermais pog

[potent plover]

k so you tell me

[bleak musk]

its funny duh

i think itd be funny if hornet had an australian accent

[potent plover]

Ok I will give you the money when silksong releases

[dusty nimbus]

The time when I was ready to kidnap you when you where sleeping but I didn't do it because I thought of the profit

[dusk badger]

sog of bready god hi

[potent plover]

I'm sorry I just remembered this

[bleak musk]

is it against the server rules to threaten to mail someone a pipe bomb

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[dusty nimbus]

You just remembered your mom?

Call her then

[bleak musk]

literally 1984

[opaque sigil]

Probably against discord tos too

[dusk badger]

its okay i wont tell anyoen

[potent plover]

Speaking of mothers, Do you guys think Herrah will be important in silksong?

[formal karma]

no

[dusk badger]

bet

[dusty nimbus]

What's a pipe bomb?

[bleak musk]

i hope we at least see her once

[bleak musk]

youll see

[opaque sigil]

No but kinda maybe? I imagine she'll at least get a reference or two, but nothing super crucial

[coarse leaf]

wouldn't be against server rules to just mail them a pipe bomb though

[formal karma]

i mean hornet's whole deal is that she never knew her mom

[dusty nimbus]

That's not ominous at all

[opaque sigil]

They had some time together

[bleak musk]

you beautiful genius you

[potent plover]

You okay ss-discussion?

[opaque sigil]

no

[formal karma]

yea lets not randomly discuss terrorism

[primal oriole]

I think Herrah will be relevant to the backstory, not the plot

[potent plover]

Maybe I should stop wanting to kill Sherma...

[potent plover]

For now...

[primal oriole]

like, Hornets relevance to the Weaver is mostly because Herrah was queen

[burnt topaz]

[bleak musk]

fun fact: if you google how to make a pipe bomb, you can tell the police and theyll give you materials

[formal karma]

and she's the queen of deepnest, not the weavers

[primal oriole]

we might learn a little about the old sire

[bleak musk]

fun weekend activity

[formal karma]

they COULD be different

[opaque sigil]

Including the weavers

[primal oriole]

the weavers were in deepnest

[bleak musk]

i do actually really hope we learn more about deepnest society and herrah tho

can i call herrah spidermom so i can call hornet vriska

[formal karma]

okay...... but they may have just been a group within deepnest and not necessarily herrah's subjects

[opaque sigil]

...Herrah...
...Princess...
...For protection...
...For bargain made...
Dead weaver dnd

[primal oriole]

they definitely respected her, even if they weren't subjects

[formal karma]

yes, insuating that herrah bargained for a princess

[bleak musk]

isnt it implied the weavers raised hornet because of that thing in weaver den that i think is there

[opaque sigil]

Amazing things the weavers once crafted on their looms; stories, shields, spells. So much of our history was spun upon their spools. Your little friends there are testament to their talents... heehee.
Also midwife implies weavers were a part of their society

"So much of our history was spun upon their spools"

[bleak musk]

i wonder what dnd class hornet is

ranger?

[primal oriole]

spider

[opaque sigil]

Probably ranger

[formal karma]

the weavers can still be a distincly different part of society, though, possibly having entered into deepnest through treaty

[opaque sigil]

Maybe sorcerer/fighter multiclass

[bleak musk]

now im thinking of a hornet dnd character, thatd be really cool actually

[opaque sigil]

Still part of the civilization

[formal karma]

yes, my point being, herrah may not necessarily RULE the weavers

[opaque sigil]

She ruled the deepnest civ
Weavers were a part of deepnest civ

[formal karma]

its more of a reverse canada situation- we still have queen she just doesn't do shit

[opaque sigil]

Herrah had real authority

[formal karma]

can be*

[opaque sigil]

There's no reason to assume Herrah was a figurehead without real power

She certainly had enough to loop the weavers in on whatever deal she had going on with PK

[potent plover]

I mean she just lets you kill her

[opaque sigil]

I meant political power

[potent plover]

oh

then who had the real power?

[opaque sigil]

wym

[potent plover]

I don't know

[primal oriole]

reminds me, it is pretty weird that PK went for Herrah as a Dreamee

wonder why he picked important people when he could have just not

[opaque sigil]

[potent plover]

I wonder what Herrah looks like under the mask/cloak?

[formal karma]

he wanted resourceful people that could be helpful, likely?

[primal oriole]

but they went to sleep forever

[true abyss]

there should be a !silksong or !ss command that just links this article:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/hollow-knight-silksong/release-date

[potent plover]

he wanted them gone but didn't want to waste their power/importance

[opaque sigil]

Herrah kinda makes sense because it would be hard to get to her

[formal karma]

yes and could be counted to have themselves attended to by their own loyal adherents

[formal karma]

also very possible

i mean.... it's not likely true but who knows?

[opaque sigil]

PK wouldn't really have any reason to want Lurien or any of the dreamers really out of action

[formal karma]

i mean killing them all to hide the shame of a his abject failure...

[potent plover]

I mean, would it make sense for Herrah to be asleep so PK can mess around with deepnest ( since it has no ruler )

[opaque sigil]

He didn't fail until after the selection process

[formal karma]

he can see the future, though

[opaque sigil]

1: He didn't do that tho
2: Would cost him his silk supply

[formal karma]

who know to how much clarity, though

'what good to see a demise unavoidable' or w/e

[opaque sigil]

So PK would have wanted to kill every being in the region to hide his shame at... failing to prevent the deaths of every being in the region

[potent plover]

There has to be some reason PK chose the three dreamers specifically, he even accepted Herrah's deal ( Or maybe he didn't care about the white lady at all )

[opaque sigil]

All of them would be hard to reach

[primal oriole]

maybe he expected to conquer Deepnest by getting rid of Herrah, and didn't need to actually do any conquering because he had an heir anyway?

[formal karma]

Lurien had the deovtion of watcher knights, The Archieves are fortified and Deepnest is a ball of nope

[opaque sigil]

Lurien had WK, Herrah's in the most hostile place in the region, Monomon is altogether inaccessible and has her own defenders

[primal oriole]

any random spider could have been protected in Deepnest

[formal karma]

consider them dreamers protected...

[potent plover]

That makes a lot of sense

[formal karma]

maybe there's an endurance thing

people's life spans are all sorts of messed up, maybe they needed someone to last?

rando's like elderbug would die

[potent plover]

Anyways, It seems like in silksong we might be able to "Save" Pharloom more than we "Saved" Hallownest

[opaque sigil]

Well Hallownest (the kingdom) is totally dead

[primal oriole]

we also might be able to destroy it

I hope were able to destroy it

[formal karma]

mhmmm

[potent plover]

If it kills Sherma-

[formal karma]

i'm down for a dead kingdom ending

[modest night]

you guys really think it'll be at tga? like unironically

[coarse leaf]

we put hallownest to rest

[opaque sigil]

ofc destroying the established kingdom of pharloom could mean, like, toppling the corrupt existing systems (even without the haunting) and therefore be a good ending in and of itself

[formal karma]

hard maybe

[potent plover]

I hope but i doubt it

[velvet ruin]

Not sure but I'm optimistic

[formal karma]

there's really no telling

[vague heath]

Maybe, maybe not, we'll see quite soon

[formal karma]

the only solid lead is that Leth purposefully said no E3 and hasn't said no TGA

[burnt topaz]

i dont really care, it would be cool but like

[opaque sigil]

So we're done talking about ss then ig

[formal karma]

it's flimsy but people turned a milk emote into edge so.................

[velvet ruin]

Even then, he said so like two days before the event

[coarse leaf]

i'd probably put it at 50 50

[potent plover]

I'm in a different timezone which means I get TGA 1 day early ( Not actually lol )

[signal crag]

Maybe he just doesn’t feel like to say anything, or there’s not too much hype to warrant a confirmation?

[formal karma]

by the very nature of lack of news, silksong, and event- there is hype

[elfin swift]

the only solid lead is the hope we feel in our hearts

[modest night]

less than before, i think people got used to be disappointed

[coarse leaf]

i think the best lead is that tga have approached tc multiple times

[opaque sigil]

But that's not the question is it

[orchid rune]

If the Nvidia leak was true they could announce that date on tga(I doubt it tho)

[formal karma]

nvidia leak is nothing

[potent plover]

When TGA finishes, ss-discussion will either be spammed with " " or "I TOLD YOU SO"

[elfin swift]

real tga cultists dont believe in hard evidence or logical suppositions, there is only hope and also, potentially, dreams

[primal oriole]

SS would be at TGA if SS had a release date that could be revealed

[normal token]

"not too much hype" Alsart I think a certain taco will be at your door in 5 seconds

[modest night]

nvidia leak is as good of a leak as the steam date one

[opaque sigil]

Which is bad

[modest night]

yeah

[primal oriole]

the question is more if the game is coming out that soon, to which the answer is "who fucking knows man"

[misty shore]

Id like to coin the term "Unclown"

[formal karma]

excatly?

[coarse leaf]

unless they just say 2022 or smthn

[orchid rune]

That's why i said if it was true

[modest night]

yeah they're both placeholders

[opaque sigil]

Gonna be spammed with worse than that

[potent plover]

True

[mortal bluff]

I TOLD YOU SO

[modest night]

big events are so annoying because people always spam gifs or make accounts to be transphobic and hide among the hype

[potent plover]

[elfin swift]

now tbf, the evidence for the edge magazine cover was also pretty tenuous and i for one as an edge doubter had egg on my face when the reveal dropped

[burnt topaz]

seriously? thats so fucking pathetic

[elfin swift]

genuinely i would support locking ss until the end of tgas

[coarse leaf]

the transphobia only happened once here i think, so hopefully we won't see that at other big events

[modest night]

that will only make people spam offtopic

[formal karma]

if you've ever heard 'nuke' its referring to such an event when it turned out to have no news

[opaque sigil]

Could spill over

[orchid rune]

It's so stupid when people freak out because ss isn't on an indie direct

[primal oriole]

it was only a big deal one time I think

[modest night]

yeah it only happened once but still

[primal oriole]

but i think it happened more than once

[burnt topaz]

i was more referring to the transphobic comments, the gifs ive seen

[elfin swift]

hm thats true the greater ecosystem of the server does depend on ss discussion as a quarantine zone

[formal karma]

it happened far more mildly on other occasions

[opaque sigil]

Even if it only happened once, once is one time too many

[formal karma]

there was only ever one 'nuke'

[modest night]

i don't recall why people were so angry about that event

like what was it again? nintendo or e3?

[primal oriole]

it was December

[pallid flare]

they took advantage of the situation

[opaque sigil]

Because it got hyped up beforehand

[orchid rune]

They just created false hopes

[coarse leaf]

the indie world i think

[primal oriole]

it was an Indie Direct I think

[formal karma]

because we didn't have a blogpost and edge wasn't revealed.... it was an odd time

[modest night]

oh yeah lmao

[formal karma]

'ari and wilbo were online so we're getting event news'

[orchid rune]

Hey pyro

[opaque sigil]

TGA could easily end up being on that scale

[elfin swift]

the big events bring people who arent actually on the server much and jump in to blast vuvuzelas and make noise

[modest night]

remember when ari got online a couple months ago and people were on the edge of their seats for a few days 🥴

[rancid talon]

What is your guy’s favorite Pokémon

[coarse leaf]

so yh, probably the event with the lowest odds of getting news, but i guess it was just the timing that people thought it'd be there

[formal karma]

sharpedo

[pallid flare]

remember when wilbo reacted on one of our messages

[modest night]

do people here even play pokemon

[orchid rune]

Shiny gallade

[tall hinge]

[pallid flare]

wilbo

[opaque sigil]

Some do probably

[elfin swift]

wait let me rephrase, the big events bring Gamers™️ into the chat

[pallid flare]

william??

[tall hinge]

wilbur?

[opaque sigil]

Oh god no not Gamers™️

[pallid flare]

not sure why i said wilbur??

[tall hinge]

it makes the most sense

[burnt topaz]

will.i.am

[elfin swift]

william turner?? son of bootstrap bill turner???

[tall hinge]

i.am.will

[digital junco]

timmy turner

[burnt topaz]

ari son of gib

[elfin swift]

the legendary captain of the flying dutchman, husband of the pirate king of the brethren court?

[coarse leaf]

victimized

victini*

[tall hinge]

victimized.i.am

[coarse leaf]

what is wrong with autocorrect

[normal token]

Nope

[empty trench]

im playing silksong 2

[coarse leaf]

aka modded hollow knight

[hollow smelt]

no hes playing silksong 2

as a fellow tga cultist idd know

[pastel silo]

bruh, it was almost a whole month in advance

[hollow smelt]

yep, the hype was killed a month in advance

can confirm, was broken

[elfin swift]

do you think, when the game comes out, it will be more song than silk, or more silk than song

[marsh ibex]

it will be balanced

[steady sage]

i mean there seem to be a lot of bells...

[hushed wasp]

can we delete this server pretty please

[velvet ruin]

What really?

[pastel silo]

yep

[velvet ruin]

Oh yeah on May 18th

[heady jolt]

i doubt we'll get a deconfirmation for this event we'll have to wait for the actual event to see what happens

[formal karma]

we're a little close to get decomfirmation- last one was a month out

not that anyone sees or even remotely believes in deconfirmation

[shell cedar]

more silk

[modest night]

i remember when leth deconfirmed stuff and people said he was lying 🥴

[pastel silo]

The only close deconfirmations were the 2 direct ones

[shell cedar]

hold me to it

[formal karma]

yep....

[modest night]

you guys are getting me excited for tga

you're a bad influence

[heady jolt]

well my argument is you never know

[pastel silo]

It's always a big minority of people tho, majority of folks here know that Leth doesn't deceive us

[heady jolt]

if it was graig deconfirming it then ye people would call that trolling

[formal karma]

b-b-but he means that there's gonna be a blogpost BEFORE E3

[tropic mica]

Yeahhh gooo sonia

[radiant wraith]

My horoscope said there'd be a nice new thing for me this month. Therefore Silksong at TGA

[tropic mica]

I mean there is a possibility it might be there

[radiant wraith]

I'm tired of detective work honestly

[formal karma]

if they're going to break a year's worth of silence that would be the place to do it...

[heady jolt]

well i mean there's nothing that says it can't be there

[chilly nexus]

I do chart readings

[heady jolt]

i'd say chances are close to equal on it there's nothing weighing it against being there

[pastel silo]

and it would explain why they had nothing to show us for a whole year as the game was in it's final phase when no new content is being added

[chilly nexus]

tbh they should've hosted TGA today on the eclipse, would've ushered in a new era of gaming

[modest night]

i'm baffled at how many people very seriously believe in astrology in my class

worrying

[signal crag]

Guys, one year of silence is not that bad
Let’s talk about this again when it becomes two

[radiant wraith]

More silence!!!

Give me more no news!!

[burnt topaz]

overheard people talking about breaking up with their boyfriends because of astrology and they sounded so genuine

[modest night]

yeah it's depressing

[burnt topaz]

my friend says if the moon can control the tides, why cant the stars control our personalities like.. wha

[signal crag]

Wow, for real?

[onyx shore]

I´m seriously considering staying up until 2 am to get disappointed again now

[chilly nexus]

I like to use it as a tool for self reflection. Putting all your faith in it and rejecting it entirely are two sides of the same coin. Approach it like a thing that exists as a part of different cultures, take some, leave sum, don't be bound to it, don't just go 'no' bugs bunny style and you're good

[tropic mica]

Whats at 2 am?

[modest night]

my philosophy teacher was like "moon influences the tides so why wouldn't planets influence our personality" and like bruh lmao

[heady jolt]

anyways does someone have a tga schedule

[marsh ibex]

zoinks what’s your sign?

[chilly nexus]

I mean, check the stock market and how local mins and maxes line up with full and new moons consistently

[heady jolt]

I want to know when i should look out for silksong/game announcements

[heady iron]

my sign told me to commit war crimes in Belarus officer

[pastel silo]

Believing in astrology is fine, you wouldn't say that religious people are worrying would you? It's only when they force their beliefs on others

[shell cedar]

thats some capricorn shit

[modest night]

i mean the thing is those people use it to determine how they interact with others

[heady jolt]

the event is taking place in pst which is my timezone so it should be easy to find a good schedule

[modest night]

like i hate all the capricorns i don't talk to them

[tall hinge]

same

[marsh ibex]

I put my shit into snapchat for astrology and like

[chilly nexus]

that's a bad attitude yeah

[marsh ibex]

What the fuck does this mean

[modest night]

virgo

[marsh ibex]

same

[shell cedar]

cancers unite

[formal karma]

my brother's girl hated cancers so I was all "great, none of her, then"

[marsh ibex]

why the fuck are elements a thing

[shell cedar]

cancers are all based

[marsh ibex]

the hell is mutable

[pallid flare]

i just hate astrology

[burnt topaz]

the elements earth, water, fire and ai

[opaque sigil]

Astrology is carried by confirmation bias, that's it

[marsh ibex]

it’s funny cuz like

[shell cedar]

the planets hate you too

[pallid flare]

classic Scorpio

[marsh ibex]

None of the virgo personality traits apply to me

[shell cedar]

stfu virgo

[radiant wraith]

People with high polarity can cover themselves in hydrogen and fuse together

[hushed wasp]

star signs

[modest night]

damn you're a virgo too?

[opaque sigil]

Can't insult me with things I don't know or care about

[modest night]

what even are the traits

[chilly nexus]

jjoker is the virgo ehre i'm p sure

[shell cedar]

i trust the stars more than your observations of yourself

[tall hinge]

all the astrology traits are vague shit that every human can relate to

[burnt topaz]

true

[chilly nexus]

lmao "spot the virgo" :p i just said that cuz he's got lots of mutable and lots of earth, and virgo is mutable earth

[modest night]

the thing i find really bad about astrology is that it can be used as a cashgrab with flattering traits most people relate to

[marsh ibex]

I’m not kind, or gentle

[heady iron]

everyone on this server is mutable

[modest night]

true

[tall hinge]

imagine being a taurus

[marsh ibex]

Or meticulous