sk-discussion

[versed pollen]

I'm going to brag about how good I am at a game except I suck at the same and it's a game no one knows about

I've almost beat Chameleon Run Deluxe Edition today

I just have two levels left

[still owl]

I’ll brag about the game to myself! Ah ha

[versed pollen]

Shalun I thought you were going to say you knew what Chameleon run was and I was going to lose it

[still owl]

I looked it up and now know about it does that count

[versed pollen]

Sure, I guess

[still owl]

fuck

[versed pollen]

Skill issue~

[still owl]

Cursed knowledge…

[versed pollen]

You now have to live with the knowledge of Chameleon run

For better or for worse

[still owl]

It’s too much for me

[haughty ingot]

like the sharp shadow tool

[fallen elbow]

That's my favorite tool tf

[radiant wraith]

I'm a fan of the Shell Scissors myself

Not to mention the Sleep Jar

And most of all the Pinning Javelin

It sucks that you can't get it before beating Carnu tho

And then Brew's questline continues and you finally get access to the Gilded Bits

[heady jolt]

currently this is the only specifically silksong related channel in the server so i can imagine a large server change or even new server to handle silksong

something like calamity mod 1.5 releasing is nowhere near the scale of silksong

yes it was a huge update but compared to this its tiny

[cunning geode]

...did someone bring up calamity before or was that just your example

also no we don't foresee another server for Silksong atm

more channels is a given though

[heady jolt]

just my example

this channel is probably gonna become the honorary no spoiler tag channel

[cunning geode]

prolly

[carmine sapphire]

If silksong releases will this kinda joke channel be deleted or smth or will the mods just keep it and also make an ss offtopic

[serene chasm]

How dare you call this a joke channel. #sk-discussion is a serious channel for serious discussions

[errant basalt]

But the game isn't even out yet

[serene chasm]

And?

[errant basalt]

Cringe unbased

[proud vale]

I absolutely cannot wait to find every nook and cranny on the ss map

[carmine sapphire]

This aged like wine

[normal token]

We are as serious as #hk-lore

[carmine sapphire]

hornet eats takis in silksong for health.

[heady jolt]

we are as serious as #hk-meme

[serene chasm]

Same. The exploration in HK was one of the best aspects of the game. I bet SS will be even better

[fiery coral]

one is enough

[carmine sapphire]

I cant wait for a boss like nosk 🙂

[heady jolt]

honestly I wonder what would happen if someone released the ss demo from e3 people would just dig through it finding secrets

[serene chasm]

But good

[heady jolt]

definitely be a bit of data mining also

[carmine sapphire]

Id just keep playing it non stop even tho we would have found everything

[ocean mulch]

I would never close the application

[split tide]

I’d be interested in actually trying out Hornet’s moveset

[carmine sapphire]

Also people would mod it or hk with the ss stuff

[split tide]

See how it feels to play with her skills and movement abilities

[serene chasm]

I would have loved to see people speedrun the demo

[ocean mulch]

[carmine sapphire]

Hornet will go to pakistan.

[ocean mulch]

No pharloom?

[heady jolt]

pharstan

tbh that sounds more like an element than a country

[fiery coral]

[potent plover]

A pharstan is someone who is way too obsessed with pharloom/silksong

[serene chasm]

Pharloomnium

[potent plover]

Pharsong

[heady jolt]

what electron shell

[fiery coral]

uhh

configuration 1s2 2s2 2p6...god I forgot everything from 12th grade chemistry

[serene chasm]

SS is actually about chemistry. Her Gossamer storm attack is pretty much like an atom

[heady jolt]

im learning this stuff in 10th grade school systems can be weird

[fiery coral]

basics of it were in 10th grade...I think

[carmine sapphire]

we will get a tool that gives us infinite silk over time and then it will get replaced with a tool that makes you one with silk

[fiery coral]

I've even forgotten which year it was taught in

fun

[fiery coral]

just makes you play as the silk cocoon eventually

like that brief bit in Limbo

[carmine sapphire]

yes

[heady jolt]

here it goes

physics>chem>bio>choice of ap of any of those classes or other stuff

[fiery coral]

physics

only good part of studying physics is Newton's laws

and that's only good because it's easy

[heady jolt]

anyways i copied the full electron shell the other day

[fiery coral]

chemistry...I'm worse at it in some respects than physics, but still find it somewhat more bearable

[heady jolt]

1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 3d10 4s2 4p6 4d10 4f14 5s2 5p6 5d10 5f14 6s2 6p6 6d10 7s2 7p6

[fiery coral]

🤓

[heady jolt]

so silksong would be 7d1

also i copied it from wikipedia

[fiery coral]

silksong will be 7D? 😱

[heady jolt]

seeing 7d as a person who plays celeste:

[serene chasm]

Ok. The fuck is all this

[fiery coral]

not getting that reference as someone who doesn't:

[heady jolt]

its basically the notation for chapters in celeste is (chapter number)(side) and there's a modded d side pack

[serene chasm]

Ah

[proud vale]

Oh my gosh not the valence shells

That can stay in uni and never be used again for all I care

[fiery coral]

thankfully I don't have chemistry in college

yet, at least

[serene chasm]

Nope. You will have to use your chemistry knowledge to beat SS.

[fiery coral]

explain why lithium cannot be stored in kerosene oil, in order to access the harbourmaster's cottage in Deep Docks

[shell yacht]

nerds

[fiery coral]

alternatively, obtain one Warehouse Key for each point of difference you can explain between lanthanoids and actinoids (five such keys are required to access the secret Alpha Grindle fight)

[fiery coral]

no u

[naive flax]

Imagine if someone programmed the hornet fight into silksong

[crisp drift]

This is giving me pain
i'm learning this chapter

[fiery coral]

my heartfelt condolences

[ocean mulch]

[serene chasm]

It will be ok

[proud vale]

The difference is that they're in a different row

[drowsy isle]

Aw that's a cute sticker

[normal token]

No u

[haughty ingot]

hello new person

[normal token]

Hey isn't Slazac the guy who hosted DSSN

Wait no Europe stinky

[modest night]

no you're misremembering this is a totally new user

[drowsy isle]

No I haven't hosted DSN I have a bad memory

[normal token]

Greetings Slazac, this is the first time we meet

[drowsy isle]

So are we talking about Silksong or what?

[normal token]

What is a silksong

[modest night]

so since you don't know the channel has pretty much been offtopic 3 for the last year

because they have nothing to talk about anymore

[drowsy isle]

How surprising

[modest night]

/the channel is dead

[heady jolt]

not for long

[modest night]

yeah for long

[drowsy isle]

Well at least we'll have something to talk about soon right?

[normal token]

But slaz, you can join us in the tga cult

[heady jolt]

hopefully

[modest night]

stop hoping it won't be at tga it was just an evil pr guy

[normal token]

Unless...

[modest night]

actually you can hope i'll be asleep during the event

[drowsy isle]

Alright I was hoping it wouldn't be at TGA but I will not stop hoping it won't be at TGA

[modest night]

just bother the other mods and not me

[chilly nexus]

noted

[normal token]

But a person with an orange name said it so must be true

[modest night]

so true

[heady jolt]

graig said it was gonna be announced there must be true

[drowsy isle]

I've been in for 3 hours and we're already asking me to join a cult

[charred pulsar]

Remember to ping Sonia when TGA starts so she's here yeah?

[modest night]

wtf

remember to ping simo too

[normal token]

[drowsy isle]

Simo!

[chilly nexus]

||noted ||

[tired lake]

[drowsy isle]

How are you!

[charred pulsar]

[heady jolt]

honestly i kinda hope im at school or asleep when the event happens so i can avoid chaos

[normal token]

Wait I too will be asleep when TGA starts

[tired lake]

TGA?

[charred pulsar]

Am good Slaz, you?

[modest night]

they hate the people outside of the us

[heady jolt]

im gonna be doing hw while tga is going on

[tired lake]

I guess you're talking about The game awards

[drowsy isle]

Aside from a very early and exhausting PE class I'm fine for the most, thanks for asking

[modest night]

wait school hasn't even started it's 8 am

wdym pe

[drowsy isle]

I start PE class at 8:10AM and it's 45mn away from home so I have to wake up early

[normal token]

I start at 9am and end at 2:30pm today

[modest night]

damn

[drowsy isle]

I end at 5:25pm lol

[modest night]

8:30am-5:30pm gang

[normal token]

What the fuck

[modest night]

french schools

[normal token]

How do you guys end so late

In secondary school it was just 8am to 2pm

[modest night]

8 hours of classes a day at most but we get breaks every 7 weeks or so

[drowsy isle]

I end at 6:20 one Thursday out of two

[signal crag]

When is TGA again?

[modest night]

9th december

something hour when im asleep

[signal crag]

Oh, cool, thanks

[normal token]

10th December for europeans

[drowsy isle]

Fuck it's at 2am

[heady jolt]

its at 5 pm for me bc pst is a good timezone

[modest night]

wait where tf do you live slazac

[drowsy isle]

Well looks like I won't be sleeping

[normal token]

Mass ping me if we get ss news

[drowsy isle]

Still Paris afaik

[modest night]

yeah i thought you meant rn

[drowsy isle]

Oh ok

Banned for foreign language on a screenshot
Tragic faith

[crisp drift]

what a tragic fate

[modest night]

it's not foreign if one of the mods speaks it

think about it

[drowsy isle]

True true

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[fresh zodiac]

for germany its around 2 am too

[drowsy isle]

Well it's the same timezone

[tired lake]

For SS news in December

[scenic coral]

[signal crag]

[sweet bluff]

📿

[gritty heron]

Me too

[sacred totem]

[fleet temple]

Perhaps

[dusty nimbus]

Cat

[normal token]

Today is 9th December 2021, this DJ Pichu your host for today, there has been news for today

[dusty nimbus]

Silksong doesn't really have to be published rn it can publish whenever they want to publish it and if they don't publish it's ok

Have low standards that way you'll never get disappointed

[normal token]

So we never get to play it?

[burnt compass]

i don't want low standards i want silksong!

I’ve been disappointed so many times that I am now immune too disappointed

[fleet temple]

Honestly, I can't get hyped anymore, I'm literally just awaiting disappointment at this point

[drowsy isle]

Silksong news come when you least expect them

[fleet temple]

Let's just see what happens

[dusty nimbus]

What do you mean we never get to play it?

The playtesters already have

[uncut citrus]

Smh you forgot the « bringing you your daily silksong news » and the « this has been your daily silksong for today, December 9th 2021”

[hushed wasp]

your profile banner looks so pretty i cant wait for ss

[ember geode]

What is hype if not disappointment preserved

[uncut citrus]

I can confirm 11/10 profil banner I’ll steal the idea for when I get nitro soon

[fleet temple]

notice anything about it?

[tough glen]

Wait

Did I see Slaz here?

omg

[drowsy isle]

maybe

[tough glen]

AHAHAA SLAZ YOURE BACK HEREEE

[drowsy isle]

true!

[tough glen]

Welcome back

not like I didn't see you all this time, but still

[drowsy isle]

thanks!

[uncut citrus]

I certainly did

[fleet temple]

[hushed wasp]

HOLY DUCK I JUST NOTICED

Well, everything except dead nailmaster looks so pretty

[fleet temple]

you can thank aluo for the nailmaster

[hushed wasp]

i love the little cup-like plants

on the left

[fleet temple]

also moss deer

[hushed wasp]

yes i hope moss deer are friends and not foes

maybe both 👀

[fleet temple]

Imagine you can ride moss deer

[hushed wasp]

YES

the fleas are also so cute

[uncut citrus]

[burnt compass]

I have a feeling that you will be able to hunt the moss dear and potions or food out of them

[hushed wasp]

no..

[burnt compass]

yes dear is pretty tasty

[fleet temple]

I want one

[hushed wasp]

same

theyre like the grubs but better

[uncut citrus]

I already got some

[hushed wasp]

[burnt compass]

who needs dears and flees when you can have these guys

[uncut citrus]

But they are robots

[tough glen]

Absolutely beautiful

It's aluo's work, right?

[uncut citrus]

They can’t be as cute

[burnt compass]

not with that attitude

[tough glen]

Time to hunt our minions

[hushed wasp]

they look so cool

i hope minions are good in Silksong

[fleet temple]

yep

[hushed wasp]

It takes multiple hits to unstagger a boss so i think minions will be a lot better now

[uncut citrus]

Didn’t think of that but yeah that will definitely buff them

[hushed wasp]

they better not cost silk/soul to make though
i will cry

[burnt compass]

in the trailer hornet makes them without having any silk

[tough glen]

Glowing Mechanical Womb

[burnt compass]

they will probably just cost shell shards

[hushed wasp]

Wait i just noticed how similar the robots are to the steel soul enemies from coral reef

[tough glen]

Every tool is now just a HK charm but Mechanical

[hushed wasp]

theres definitely similarities in how the armor looks, i think you'll get the charm from the coral boss or somewhere around there

[viral pivot]

ooo yeah could be

[burnt compass]

Doubt it
They probably just share the same color

From what we have seen he doesn’t even fight with any mechanical thing so it would be weird if he gave hornet that tool

[hushed wasp]

theres also similarities with the jinn-like enemies who appear in coral reef

I think the tool will definitely be in coral reef

[burnt compass]

Probably because they are both robots

[hushed wasp]

exactly, there arent any other robot enemies/tools anywhere else

[burnt compass]

Also hasn’t team cherry already said that forge daughter will be making the tools?

[hushed wasp]

no, not clear out said that- and also, hornet could bring broken tools or something to forge daughter maybe

[burnt compass]

That doesn’t mean anything we also saw a robot boss in forest of bones

[hushed wasp]

that was a puppet

[uncut citrus]

Not all of them

[burnt compass]

Yes a robot puppet

[hushed wasp]

''hornet puts her own little twist on tools''

if the minions were white they would exactly like steel soul jinn enemies

[uncut citrus]

Dude

They literally just have a metallic feel

[hushed wasp]

Im just speculating dude

[uncut citrus]

Because they are robots

[burnt compass]

kinda i guess but thats just because they are mechanical

[uncut citrus]

Still like I don’t think this mean anything, you could argue the color hints to coral forest but it’s a really small thing to base on

[hushed wasp]

PRECISELY these is the only robot enemies that LOOK like the minion, the puppet has a totally different feel

[uncut citrus]

The puppet is way diffrent yeah, but we also see like 3 robots in the sa trailer so like

[burnt compass]

just because there are more then one robot in silksong dosen't mean that all robot are somehow connected

[hushed wasp]

show me them

[uncut citrus]

[hushed wasp]

All the robots that look the same are obviously connected, its not like theres a 10 different companies producing identical robots

[burnt compass]

its hard to make differences when they are designing small robots especially when silksong has the stile it has

[drowsy isle]

Does anyone have a video of hornet sitting at a bench while not having all masks

[grim forge]

Well I feel like it just makes more sense for them to be connected since arguing they aren't us just jumping through extra hoops

[hushed wasp]

thanks echo

[hushed wasp]

dude they are all white, shiny and metallic in the exact same way, just admit defeat

[burnt compass]

Yea because they are small robots lol

[hushed wasp]

[uncut citrus]

Because robots are made of metal?

And that is not painted metal color

[hushed wasp]

holy shit i feel like you are doing this on purpose just to annoy me

[uncut citrus]

Unlike the ones hornet summons that are also metal but in red

[hushed wasp]

because she puts her own spin on it

[uncut citrus]

Probably just because it looks better

[burnt compass]

“Wow someone has a different opinion then me must be because they are lying”

[hushed wasp]

because she puts her own spin on it

[hushed wasp]

Its not that, its that people are jumping away from a obvious conclusion, in a way it almost seems intentionally irritating

''yeah these robots look identical, but like, robots are robots yknow''

[coarse leaf]

Hello silksong chat

[grim forge]

The argument is basically that the robots who looks the same and are seen together are not related and all and are actually different which is just counterintuitive

[hushed wasp]

hello

[burnt compass]

This robot de abate is like saying that the primal aspic is connected to the knight because they both have white on them

[hushed wasp]

NO IT ISNT

[burnt compass]

They don’t look identical either

[coarse leaf]

The robots from the silksong trailer?

[hushed wasp]

theyre seen in the same places, look identical, act the same way.. what more do you want

[grim forge]

No it's more like saying the primal aspid and normal aspids are connected

[uncut citrus]

It’s diffrent there

[burnt compass]

Ok fine that’s true but the game says those to are connected

[uncut citrus]

It’s normal for robots to look alike

[hushed wasp]

But they also look almost identical and act the same way, just like the robots

[uncut citrus]

While of living creature looks alike they are probably related

[grim forge]

Yeah and Silksong isn't even out yet but the most likely conclusion is that they are

[burnt compass]

No hornets robot don’t fire lasers

[uncut citrus]

But robots usually looks the same since they are made of the same material

[grim forge]

And evidence against that is the massive robot thing in the lava area which is a different shade

If all the robots were different wouldn't it make sense to color them differently?

[hushed wasp]

also, even if its the same material, they wont have the same stylistic and material choices exactly

[coarse leaf]

i think jinn is definitely the same or atleast connected to the silson robots is this what the debate is about

[grim forge]

Yeah basically

[burnt compass]

You could say that it’s rust and that’s why it has a different shade. Or maybe it’s just old

[hushed wasp]

Yeah of course jinn is connected, this is about the minions being connected

[coarse leaf]

minions?

[burnt compass]

No the debate is about hornets pet robots

[coarse leaf]

ohh

[grim forge]

Wait what

I thought this was about the silver dudes that look like eachother

[burnt compass]

No everyone knows those are connected

[hushed wasp]

yeah that too

[grim forge]

Oh

[burnt compass]

The debate is about hornets pet tool robots and the mini robots that shoot lasers in the coral reef

[hushed wasp]

the minions and the jinn robots dont have a definite connection, but the jinn robots and the coral robots do

[grim forge]

They could be related but I would lean towards not. But who knows maybe she harvests the tech and makes her own

[burnt compass]

Yea that could be true

[coarse leaf]

I don’t think they’re connected, the way they look is different though maybe its to make the minions look like hornet?? Or somthin??

[burnt compass]

i think we know too little too have a definitive answer but i personally think that they are not connected

[coarse leaf]

yeye

The minions look like eggs

[burnt compass]

yea probably because beetles kind have that shape

[coarse leaf]

Its quite incredible 🍳

[burnt compass]

yes it really makes you think

[coarse leaf]

SILKSONG IS COMING

TGA CULT LET US PRAY

!!!!!!!

[grim forge]

[tired lake]

One can hope but I doubt it.

[grim forge]

When is TGA again I forgot 🥴

[buoyant osprey]

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[tired lake]

9th december?

[grim forge]

Thanks

[coarse leaf]

PauseChamp

[grim forge]

He says 2.5 years though and Silksong got announced earlier

[coarse leaf]

2,5 doesn't have to mean 2,5 exactly, just more or less

[grim forge]

Hopefully

[signal crag]

i STILL don't believe this

[coarse leaf]

ss wouldn't be a world premier though, i don't think

Neither would Zelda

[tired lake]

Zelda seems more likely to me, definitely.

[coarse leaf]

If its a premiere they're gonna say the exact release date, and I highly doubt they're gonna say the release day of Zelda a year ahead of release

I don't think it's Zelda, Zelda already had 2 whole trailers, its not a premiere

[grim forge]

Yeah but that also wouldn't be a world premiere

[coarse leaf]

thanks

[tired lake]

But Silksong had a trailer, and 20 mins of playtime?

[coarse leaf]

Thats less than Zelda

[grim forge]

Yeah so maybe it's neither

[tired lake]

Most likely yeah

[coarse leaf]

Leth can you confirm or deconfirm all these statements

[tired lake]

[grim forge]

Send him 30 emails pertaining to this topic

[coarse leaf]

oh I will

[summer kindle]

do not

[sinful flare]

too late

[summer kindle]

noooo

don't you know every email a tc associate gets abot ss it gets delayed by a month

[sinful flare]

You fool. You stipid, stipid idiot. How could you do this? You have sent 30 emails to Team Cherry, and now Hollow Knight: Silksong ©️ Team Cherry will be delayed to 9090. I can't believe you've done this.

[misty whale]

https://imgflip.com/i/5w1vjv

[summer kindle]

i agree

[sinful flare]

😡😡😡😡

[misty whale]

our souls shall remain uncrushed on december 9th

[sinful flare]

🤬🤬\🤬

[summer kindle]

my approach to silksong news is there will never be any more

so if there are it's a pleasant surprise and if not i expected it

[misty whale]

"keep your expectations low and you will never be disappointed" gandhi

[summer kindle]

anyone who expects news is probably in denial, desperate for any sign of silksong not being cancelled or both /hj

[gritty heron]

Ariana Ghandi

[shy kiln]

Imagine if it did get cancelled and is actually working on Hollow Knight ZoteBote

[summer kindle]

😳

mayhaps

[silver oak]

Imagine if :tcarrivewithspaghetti:

[sinful flare]

WTF WHY NOT SEQUIRREL

[summer kindle]

quirrel suck

[sinful flare]

😡

[misty whale]

tbf if it got cancelled I would die
I think it will release in feb but I don't think we'll get news at TGA

[shy kiln]

Yes he suck
Zote better

[summer kindle]

quirrel doesn't suck I'm just trying to annoy you

[sinful flare]

😡

[coarse leaf]

nah man being excited is definitely the way to go
imagine never having any hope or excitement, that just sounds sad

[silver oak]

If you think silksong has the possibility of being cancelled you're the one in denial

[gritty heron]

I am sad

[summer kindle]

i expect a release but i have no clue when
if it was cancelled i'd be sad

[summer kindle]

i don't but some still ask if it is

[gritty heron]

SadSong

[summer kindle]

the hype dies down after a year of anticipation

[silver oak]

Anyway, I am neither desperate for news nor thinking it might be cancelled

[sinful flare]

It's been 3 years

[summer kindle]

2 years since i found out about it, 1 year since i stopped being actively hyped for its release

[gritty heron]

I'm desperate

[misty whale]

I'm still actively hyped for the game, just not for TGA

[silver oak]

To quote TTacco (I think, can't actually find the quote): These last 6 months have been boring as shit and it's fun to look forward to something for once

[modest night]

getting a trailer without a release date would be annoying

like yay more spoilers

no thanks

[silver oak]

But like
I couldn't not look at them

[sinful flare]

Wait until they post the whole playthrough of silksong but dont release the game 👍

[silver oak]

Even if I totally agree with you I would still overanalyze anything they drop

[coarse leaf]

3 months since I found out about it, 1 month since I stopped being hyped

[summer kindle]

i was here for at least some of the riddles though i didn't really do much to contribute

[gritty heron]

112% playthrough even though there aren't any dlcs yet 👍

[modest night]

man i really hope the game wont have fanservice

[silver oak]

How

[misty whale]

I will wait for mossbag to tell me the release date and then not use the internet

[sweet lotus]

hello fellow Silksong anticipators!

[silver oak]

How could a game about bugs have fanservice

[gritty heron]

there's always a way

[gritty heron]

Bardoon's butt but with rtx

[silver oak]

Yeah but in-game? Idk

[burnt compass]

Google hornet hollow knight and you will fined out how

[silver oak]

Again, in game

[modest night]

in game it would be making npcs from hk come back

i meant fanservice in a not nsfw way

[silver oak]

oh that type of fanservice

[modest night]

yeah

[silver oak]

I need a break from the internet

[summer kindle]

quirrel in ss! grimm troupe in ss!

[digital junco]

i love how everyone instantly assumed it would be the least likely form of fanservice

[gritty heron]

I needed a screenshot of lace and hornet fighting in the trailer, it was horrifying

[silver oak]

Is what I would say if I was smart

[summer kindle]

thk in ss!

[sinful flare]

Why do you want them in steel soul they are already in game

[silver oak]

The only npc I could realistically see returning in some capacity would be Mr. Mushroom

[gritty heron]

Hornet.

[modest night]

i didn't like mister mushroom so i hope not to have too much content related to him

but whatever as long as it's extra

[burnt compass]

How can you not like mr mushroom

[silver oak]

Yeah it almost definitely will be p hidden like in HK

[gritty heron]

[silver oak]

An easter egg for the completionists

[digital junco]

i wanna see the funny turning animation again

[silver oak]

Wait I just realized
There's not gonna be walkthroughs to everything SS when I'm first playing it

I'm gonna have to actually look for shit

[summer kindle]

you won't need them

[digital junco]

i'm gonna wait for ps4 SS so as soon as the game drops i'm leaving the server till it comes on there lmao

[gritty heron]

I can't even spot breakable walls and there are gonna be traps in silksong

[burnt compass]

Just hit everything

[crisp urchin]

fog canyon moment

[silver oak]

There's gonna be so many secrets in this game

[gritty heron]

Hits nailsmith

[summer kindle]

YEAAAHHHHH

[silver oak]

There are still things I haven't found in HK

[digital junco]

all my homies hate nailsmith

[burnt compass]

I still can’t find the secret rooms in the white palace

[silver oak]

I was watching a Skurry video and he went to a secret I swear I had never seen in my life

[summer kindle]

i don't hate the nailsmith i just crave murder

[silver oak]

Yeah I've never been to nursery

[crisp urchin]

average shura enjoyer

[burnt compass]

That’s the great thing about hk.
every time I play the game I find something new

[tired lake]

SS never

[summer kindle]

silknever stopped being funny a while ago i think

[digital junco]

ss discussion repeating the same 3 messages for the 90000th time around

[silver oak]

silknever

[trim estuary]

yeah

[digital junco]

the one guy who gets max% on day 1

[silver oak]

might actually bring down my enjoyment of post-game achievement hunting a little

[silver oak]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it only takes a few days for the first people to reach 100%

[opaque sigil]

I mean you can always look things up if you really want to, if exploring to find them doesn't seem worth it

[digital junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

[silver oak]

Yeah but like I was saying, when SS launches there won't be things to look up at releease

It really depends on 1) how fast it takes me to beat the game and 2) how fast the wiki people work

[split tide]

someone's probably going to investigate the game files and discuss them online

[opaque sigil]

Post-game achievement hunting will take a while to get to unless you're playing it very quickly

[analog lily]

I think this is the same for many people, as once silksong eventually releases, i’m gonna just remove myself from assecing google or any search browser

[odd terrace]

what is the Dead Cells & HK crossover means ?

[silver oak]

It means the dead cells team asked the hollow knight team if they could add a few thing from HK into dead cells

[digital junco]

that theres a dead cells and hk crossover

[coarse leaf]

LOL 🤣

[silver oak]

And they said yes

[odd terrace]

yeah but it never happened before :/

[digital junco]

hk fans on their way to see the crossover and conclude ss is finished and releasing next week

[odd terrace]

like thats something new, Feb 2022 release gang

[opaque sigil]

I mean motion twin probably didn't get everything they asked for.... like, you know, the knight

[odd terrace]

Hollow Knight Noodles Song must be good or we riot

[silver oak]

Many things which have never happened before happen every day

[odd terrace]

no no if you see how team cherry do it. They never collab with anyone. They do their own thing.

[silver oak]

Well then that must mean news

[odd terrace]

this means we are so close to a release. I'd say Feb 2022 gang gonna ride da train

[digital junco]

i love seeing stuff like this

[opaque sigil]

It means dead cells was doing a collab update with indie devs so they asked TC to use their character and took what they could get, the nail.

[digital junco]

small cameo = ss soon

[odd terrace]

get ur tickets yall its coming

[analog lily]

The train that crashes
I honestly still think ss is going to come out way later than that

[odd terrace]

tickets tickets tickets

[silver oak]

I'm still hopeful for 2022 but if it comes out later than that I won't be surprised

[sinful flare]

tickets to the circus?

[odd terrace]

CHOO CHOO

[burnt compass]

as much as i want silkosng deep in my heart i know it will come out 2023

[odd terrace]

feb 2022 gang is alive

[digital junco]

i have no real predictions myself cuz like we have no clue
but the ones other people make with no actual evidence are entertaining

[sweet bluff]

trans pass

[odd terrace]

i come from future, feb 2022 is the spot. mark my words and dont @ me pls ty very much for your service.

[sinful flare]

@odd terrace

[digital junco]

i'm sure it'll be somewhere within 2022 and 2023

2024 if we manage to be that unlucky

[sinful flare]

graig's screenshot suggests it's going to be released in 9090

[silver oak]

Graig also said that it will star Keanu Reeves

[digital junco]

alright guys time to decode that message for the release date

[burnt compass]

leth did say he prefers to reales games at the start of the year so if don't get silksong this Jan feb then i think we will have to wait until 2023

[analog lily]

9090?
I remember someone saying it was coming in like 20222
Though maybe that was a typo

[odd terrace]

who is leth, he is no one

[digital junco]

he is your m-

[silver oak]

-onomon

[odd terrace]

is he that random guy who makes music for the franchise.

[digital junco]

no lol

[silver oak]

Nah that's the music guy
Fuck him honestly

[odd terrace]

i only know Ari

[orchid rune]

Hk ost is made by Christopher Larkin I think

[digital junco]

yes

[odd terrace]

and William , they are the OGs who I trust. Others just irrelevant

[sinful flare]

graig i believe in graig 👍

[odd terrace]

graig is the janitor of team cherry studios 🍉

he has no idea about anything

[silver oak]

If you're being serious, Jack is doing basically all the coding, and Larkin made all the music and sound design. Both are extremely important members of Team Cherry

[analog lily]

This reminds me of a trash meme i made complaining about primal aspids in #hk-meme
I think it involved something about how on tc’s website it said complain to wilbo about annoying enemies?
Idk my brain doesn’t remember that long ago but it was something like that

[crisp drift]

gardener*

[trim estuary]

Larkin is part of TC?

[sinful flare]

anyways let's talk about why roc's odyssey is good

[digital junco]

i just checked hk meme and its just as unfunny and repetitive as always

[silver oak]

Well I guess not officially part of it
But he had a huge role in the development of Hollow Knight

That's the same with Leth

[digital junco]

if larkin posts a picture of a cat it confirms silksong will release in 2 days

[analog lily]

Half of every meme there is just me when beans
Which honestly doesn’t even mean anything

[split tide]

Where did the me when beans come from

[digital junco]

radiance loaf now laugh

[tired lake]

[analog lily]

Guess that’s a topic for someone to go look into, though i guarantee it will be a pretty stupid way it was created

[sweet bluff]

bu- but me when beans 🥺

[digital junco]

someone probably just captioned dung defender gif with that random half-sentence and everyone else spammed it into a trend

[analog lily]

Tbh i would prefer people replaced me when beans with just doma doma doma

Ok looking at #hk-meme some more, literally half the memes are eitber me when beans, or something very simular

And the other half is just random trash almost as bad as me when beans.
Guess i’ll. Mute that channel again and never return, hopefully anyway...

[digital junco]

the hollow knight fandom cannot be funny

[mortal bluff]

Guys

[signal crag]

mhm?

[rain robin]

Ye

[burnt topaz]

What's happening

[mortal bluff]

Oh

[signal crag]

#sk-discussion message
not sure if this is what you mean

[burnt topaz]

Geoff :)

[trim estuary]

Also this #sk-discussion message

[burnt topaz]

Insane

[sinful flare]

???!!!!!

[trim estuary]

!!!!!???

[signal crag]

leaked release date: February 2022
too many thing are coming together, i don't like this

[sinful flare]

Graig's screenshot says otherwise

[burnt topaz]

What's graigs screenshot

[signal crag]

#sk-discussion message

[sinful flare]

9090 confirmed

[burnt topaz]

Oh thank God it's reliable

[digital junco]

what i really care about is the playstation release

if it takes too long i'll end up buying a switch for a single game

[signal crag]

....worth it...?

[burnt topaz]

Ehh is it?

[digital junco]

maybe if i get a switch for christmas and dont have to buy it myself

[burnt topaz]

Yeah that's the smarter play, especially considering silksong will be announced before Christmas

[trim estuary]

It’s already announced

[burnt topaz]

Silksong release date then

[trim estuary]

I saw someone on steam saying that you shouldn’t pre order silksong because of Cyberpunk, even though silksong isn’t pre order-able and probably won’t be

[sinful flare]

February 13th 9090

[burnt topaz]

They're completely different games what

[signal crag]

typical steam discussions then

[sinful flare]

Pre order karlson instead

[signal crag]

also the whole "no health bar pls" deal

[rich fractal]

Or you can just get a laptop which will also provide you with lots of other benefits?

[digital junco]

i refuse to play anything on a keyboard

[trim estuary]

Laptop users legs burning off be like: at least it’s portable tho

[rich fractal]

You can connect a controller bruh

[digital junco]

i need controller and big screen

[burnt topaz]

Connect the pc to the TV and then use the controller

[rich fractal]

I actually do that, just put my laptop below the TV and connect with HDMI cable

Works seamlessly

[digital junco]

wonder if my old-ass tv can even pull that off
i'll check later

[opaque sigil]

Handheld mode is great for games like HK and presumably SS

Just sayin

Super convenient

Well it's great for most games

[sinful flare]

I think i'm gonna wait for steam deck if it comes out before silksong

[burnt topaz]

Steam deck has been looking prettt cool recently

[digital junco]

i'll probably end up getting switch anyway since i wanna play funny nintendo crossover game

[sinful flare]

Yeah i'm planning to get it when i can

You can also install windows on it i think which is cool i guess

[shy kiln]

Hornet’s stagger animation in SS will be same as her defeated animation in HK?

[opaque sigil]

Seems like it

[digital junco]

imagine poison damage in ss

[opaque sigil]

If you mean her animation during a boss intro

[fiery tangle]

when the silk song is [Coming soon.]!

[shy kiln]

Yeah; that

[digital junco]

spantong

[burnt topaz]

Spamsong

[shy kiln]

DOTs aren’t really a bad idea; though I don’t think they will suit a metroidvania

Especially something like SS or HK

[burnt topaz]

They won't suit the masks that hk has I don't think

[sinful flare]

spamsong g spamsong

[opaque sigil]

DoT on enemies would be questionable too imo

[split tide]

DoTs on enemies can work I think

[digital junco]

maybe some other temporary negative effects would be cool but certainly not poison

[shy kiln]

Defender’s Crest in a DoT for enemies, no?

[fiery tangle]

FLAME THROWER

[opaque sigil]

Not really

It isn't a lasting effect

[split tide]

it's some hybrid of AoE and DoT

[vagrant umbra]

Spam… DID AOMEONE SAY SPAMTON G SPAMTON !?!?!

[sinful flare]

NO

[split tide]

but not the normal DoT

[burnt topaz]

We get a flamethrower from the last judge

[sinful flare]

STAY AWAY FROM ME

[shy kiln]

Won’t work IMO

[vagrant umbra]

Now SS your chance to be a [big shot]

[digital junco]

we do have the heat mechanic so maybe there'll be other stuff like it

[fiery tangle]

yus

[burnt topaz]

I can imagine the embers being its own separate thing idk

[shy kiln]

Heat mechanic?

[opaque sigil]

You mean like the hot floors?

[digital junco]

yeah that

[opaque sigil]

I never really thought of that as anything more than an area-specific obstacle but yeah ig there could be similar things

[shy kiln]

That could actually work; dangerous floors at certain places

[opaque sigil]

But only dangerous if you sit still

[vagrant umbra]

Remember, if you catch fire. Press your sprint button.

[burnt topaz]

It would make use of the sprint mechanic the way that hk couldnt

[shy kiln]

It could work for walls too

[opaque sigil]

Well you can't really sprint up walls

[vagrant umbra]

Not with that attitude.

[opaque sigil]

And generally you don't cling to them for that long

I'm not sure how a wall variant of that would work

[sinful flare]

Get mantis claw duh

[digital junco]

i can already see myself instinctively trying to use hk moves in ss and vice versa

[shy kiln]

If you are wall jumping too long on the same wall, then?

[opaque sigil]

Maybe

[normal token]

You know what, fuck you
proceeds to run up a wall in silksong

[trim estuary]

that’s what the mask is

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, that'll take some time to get out of your system

[sinful flare]

That's what the point of

[burnt topaz]

Proceeds to run up the citadel

[digital junco]

tries to abyss shriek lace

[fiery tangle]

i cant wait for silksong: flame thrower edition

[normal token]

The best part about SS is I won't accidentally heal at full health

[vagrant umbra]

Imagine being a flying bug, confused why all these pilgrims are complain about the hardship of passage.

[trim estuary]

Ddark would work better

[opaque sigil]

No, just at almost full

[vagrant umbra]

Mod that makes every floor the hot stuff.

[fiery tangle]

spicy moss

[burnt topaz]

Ash grotto

[sinful flare]

Redmoor

[vagrant umbra]

Lavamoor nooooo u beat me

[sinful flare]

Citahell

[burnt topaz]

It'll be a thing I swear. MG is so gonna get burnt down by bonebottom

And if it doesn't, I never said this

[fiery tangle]

oh boy i cant wait for the ign review: 5/10 too much lava

[trim estuary]

3.5/10 no fortnite in silksong so bad

[vagrant umbra]

I couldn’t reach the first boss and got lost 3/10

[burnt topaz]

Maybe stinky town will balance it out

[fiery tangle]

ah yes

[trim estuary]

video game journalists

[burnt topaz]

My friends playing this game

[vagrant umbra]

Well, wasn’t Fortnite’s score during it’s peak? When everyone was playing it and having a good time. And before it got the 2015 Minecraft syndrom of: kids play game = bad game?

[burnt topaz]

Fortnite also gets updated so theres opportunities for games to change, arbitrary numbers are bad scores anyways

[elder lake]

i'd say hollow knight is better than fortnite but you can't deny that it was probably the most influential game on the industry in the last decade

[burnt topaz]

Did Ariana grande get in hollow knight?

[elder lake]

not yet

[vagrant umbra]

I would support it more if I didn’t stink at building.

[normal token]

Fortnite and hk crossover when

[vagrant umbra]

BTW the Minecraft update, the one that adds 128 vertical blocks to the world is getting released today.

[fiery tangle]

ah yes, you tryna play casualy and then you see a player that can build a sky scraper within seconds

[fiery tangle]

YEEAAAA BABY THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WATING FOR, WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[elder lake]

the new height limit is whatever but i'm stoked for the cave overhaul. also really pumped for the deep dark it looks really cool

[vagrant umbra]

A
M
M
M
M. A

[trim estuary]

There is no deep dark

[elder lake]

yeah ik it got delayed

but i am looking forward to it's release in 1.19(?)

[vagrant umbra]

It’s cool, the next update makes it deeper darker.

[sinful flare]

Uh i agree

[fiery tangle]

i was hoping for 1.19 end update, not the lame warden update

AHEM, #off-topic

[elder lake]

hard to stay on topic when there's been no news for a year

[sinful flare]

Yeah let's discuss why maxwell is a go

[vagrant umbra]

Is that bait I smell? Are you not impressed by vibration sensors, FROGS, exp blocks, and wireless redstone

[elder lake]

mm froge

[sinful flare]

froge

[fiery tangle]

i am absolutely not impressed, well maybe frogs are cool but i dunno

[burnt topaz]

Frogs?

[sinful flare]

FROGS IN SILKSONG COMING OUT IN 1.19 UPDATE 🤩

[elder lake]

minecraft frogs :)
hollow knight frogs :(

[burnt topaz]

Hollow knight frogs o_O

[vagrant umbra]

HK frogs would probably outscale Pale King version 1.0

[sinful flare]

hollow knight silksong frogs 🤩🤩😍

[elder lake]

i'm thinkin of the jumpy guys from queen's gardens

[languid linden]

The thing is that we saw everything in 1.19 before

[polar loom]

i'm just hyped for new world gen tbh

[elder lake]

loodle

[languid linden]

So even though it might be a lot of stuff, in 1.19, It doesn't feel new

[high hedge]

Frogs would be very scary in Hollow Knight

[languid linden]

And therefore is less exciting

[vagrant umbra]

Yeah, and they need more time to work on it. I don’t blame ‘em. Game changing stuff.

[vagrant umbra]

And we haven’t seen the deep dark cities yet…

[elder lake]

we've seen a preview

[fiery tangle]

new channel: #frog-discussion

[high hedge]

Frog boss

[vagrant umbra]

Alright, I gotta go. Enjoy your mining raw frog ore in the craftmine.

[high hedge]

Ohhh did they add frogs to Minecraft?

[sinful flare]

Well
In 1.19

[high hedge]

Lots of Amphibian additions lately

[fiery tangle]

frog

new ss biome: frog canyon

[sinful flare]

Fog canyon pog canyon and now frog canyon

[digital junco]

what do frogs drop

[fiery tangle]

leg

[digital junco]

yum

[haughty brook]

So eh, where did this rumor about SS being in TGA came from? Because I was getting a rest from Discord.

[opaque sigil]

Nowhere, really.

[sinful flare]

I don't know

[pallid flare]

the same place the hype for every event comes from

[fiery tangle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/564544696995676177/818122379456806932/image0.gif

[sinful flare]

FROSG

[fiery tangle]

new frog canyon enemy confirmed

[sinful flare]

FROGS

[pallid flare]

frogge

[haughty brook]

It would still be pretty cool to have SS in TGA as TC isn't truly a "superpopular" indie developer/team like Toby Fox and Yatch Club.

[sinful flare]

Yacht club you mean

(Shovel knight silksong when)

[sacred stratus]

TGA cult is growing more and more powerful, soon we will overthrow the Australian government and then SS will be ours! muhahahahaha

[fast valley]

The tga cults real goal is to take over the world so that every developer in it can work on silksong

[velvet ruin]

Silksong is like Area 51 but Australian

[sacred stratus]

we have eyes everywhere! (I borrowed some from Bloodborne) you can't hide from us but TC... they're really good with hiding info

[radiant wraith]

Silksoon

[sinful flare]

I will get another eye if i beat deerclo

😈

[trim estuary]

#sk-discussion message

[bleak scarab]

there needs to be a anti-hype sqaud to rival the hype sqaud

it is the only way every group has one

[sinful flare]

Well

Form an anti-tga cult yourself

[bleak scarab]

Fine. I'll do it myself

[sinful flare]

Ok

[bleak scarab]

don't expect it to be huge but i'll do it

[trim estuary]

No, TGA cult needs to overthrow the Hollow Knight server and claim its leaders as admins

[radiant wraith]

Cmon, get organized

[sacred stratus]

pardon?

[sinful flare]

Sorry i'm playing a starving game

[bleak scarab]

you heard me

[sacred stratus]

so you have chosen, death

[bleak scarab]

Anit- hype cult arch nemesis of TGA hype cult

[radiant wraith]

Clock's ticking

[bleak scarab]

every story needs a villan

[radiant wraith]

Get yourselves organized

[empty frigate]

if the hype gets big enough Leth will have to come down here and debunk it like he did for E3. So if he stays silent we'll know that there is indeed something planned

[bleak scarab]

wait when is tga again??

[trim estuary]

Why not have the villains be ourselves, the TGA cult?

December 9th

[bleak scarab]

But rival cults

[glossy gazelle]

Imagine being part of the TGA cult

[trim estuary]

Fat Rat Cult, Dave Cult, etc already exist

[bleak scarab]

I only know what dave cult is

[glossy gazelle]

No u Ally

[cunning geode]

You are joking, right?

[trim estuary]

True

[trim estuary]

we wish

[radiant wraith]

I can imagine

[terse nest]

has team cherry said anything about being at TGA

[cunning geode]

no

[terse nest]

well, it's better then last year

[empty frigate]

yeah it's a long shot all right..

[cunning geode]

Last year we got a magazine

[terse nest]

this year we got a leaked release date

which probably isn't going to be true but still

[cunning geode]

we got a leaked one for 2020 too

[sacred stratus]

and this year we'll get a big slap in the face

[bleak scarab]

I have committed now (Secretly hoping for ss news but shhh)

[radiant wraith]

I can't wait!!

[coarse leaf]

Imagine if that date release was real tho, the amount of people being crazy with that would be extraordinary

[terse nest]

well that leak has predicted like 6-7 other games correctly so far, so i think this leak has a pretty high chance of being true. maybe like 30%

[coarse leaf]

But it looks like a placeholder release date

[glossy gazelle]

Well I know it also predicted a couple of games incorrectly so

[trim estuary]

I’d give it about 0.0003619373801730173829027382%

[opaque sigil]

Even if the leak had real dates the most accurate ones would be the ones immediately after the leak.

After that more and more would be placeholders because that's how things work

[coarse leaf]

bcz if TC was actually going to release SS on february, why not release it in HK's 5th Year Anniversary?

[glossy gazelle]

Like FNAF Security Breach for example (predicted November, it actually comes out next month)

[coarse leaf]

Like, it just makes more sense than releasing it on the first day of february

[glossy gazelle]

I forgot we are still in November

[bleak scarab]

like the UT anniversary?

[coarse leaf]

Yeah

[trim estuary]

Or why not release it in time for the holidays, like for example, December 21st??

[opaque sigil]

TC having a realistic window 6+ months ahead of time (probably around 10 following some admittedly dubious math) just isn't reasonable

[bleak scarab]

also I have been kinda inactive here what does the leak you all are talking about say?

[glossy gazelle]

Nvidia

[coarse leaf]

Bcz it wouldn't make a lot of sense, since there's a lot of games on sale in December, so it could potentially make the SS launch a little weaker than it could be launching on another date

[trim estuary]

Nvidia leak, it said silksongs release was on February 1st, 2022 on some people’s copy of the leak

[glossy gazelle]

The database got hit and a bunch of game's placeholder release dates got leaked

[bleak scarab]

the steam placeholder date??

[terse nest]

normally nobody would think twice about it, but it also leaked a few other things correctly

[opaque sigil]

.

It'll only get less and less accurate

[glossy gazelle]

The Steam placeholder date was for last year lol-

[trim estuary]

No this community would go insane either way

[opaque sigil]

And if TC themselves wouldn't have a release date that far in advance, nvidia definitely wouldn't

[glossy gazelle]

I mean if we get like a release date trailer in like next month or January saying the game comes out February I might maybe believe that leak but until then, I'm not really buying it

[opaque sigil]

Even if it does release in February it'd be more a coincidence than anything else

If you make a random guess and it turns out right it doesn't mean the guess was reliable

[bleak scarab]

I'm just gonna stay skeptical

[opaque sigil]

It just happened to coincide with an arbitrary date

Also date was probably a placeholder and all that (no, a placeholder is not the same as an estimate)

[radiant wraith]

Hopefully not an estimate

[terse nest]

i am skeptically optimistic, but if it isn't at TGA i'd say we're not getting SS early 2022

[opaque sigil]

That's not really correct

TC could finish the game in early 2022 and decide to release around then

[opaque sigil]

Its being an estimate is an inane hypothesis in the first place

[normal token]

If it's near release why not show it at TGA

[terse nest]

it wouldn't make sense though, TGA is a good time to announce a release date because so many people would see it. It would be a good business decision. It makes no sense at all to know your finishing a game like 3 months after TGA and not announce a release date there

[dusk badger]

because it's an indie game?

[opaque sigil]

Because they don't necessarily know when it's near release that far in advance

[normal token]

TGA already asked them like twice

[opaque sigil]

It makes no sense at all to know your finishing a game like 3 months after TGA and not announce a release date there
They can't know that

Not realistically

[dusk badger]

that's true

[opaque sigil]

TC can't just magically say a date and have everything ready by then

[terse nest]

i was responding to this. and also when you finish a game, then the last few months are mostly polishing and bug fixes. you can't technically really know when it will be finished but it's not that hard to estimate when your a dev

but since I know basically nothing about game development i can't really say for sure

[opaque sigil]

It is when you can discover a potentially game breaking bug that requires extensive fixing and then a cascade of other changes resulting from that fix at basically any time

It very much is that hard

The only conditions under which a date could be safely announced would be those in which they already have a releasable build

[terse nest]

well yea, but it still doesn't make sense to me if you finished your game early 2022 then decided to release it very close after that. with no real huge events to announce the release date. you could do it, but it doesn't seem like a good business choice to me. businesses exist to make money, and when your an indie developer you kinda have to rely on big events to get people to learn about your game because you can't organize an event yourself.

[opaque sigil]

TC has significant name and brand recognition, they aren't in the same boat as most indie devs

[terse nest]

yes they do, but they still aren't big enough to just release a trailer on their main youtube channel and have everyone see it

[opaque sigil]

Nintendo would repost it

Same as for the announcement trailer

[terse nest]

very true, but it still wouldn't get as many viewers than at like TGA or a nintendo direct or something

[opaque sigil]

Better than having to rush the game or leave in broken things because you set a hasty date

[terse nest]

in general the only videos on Nintendo's channel that get's decent views are first party games. that's not always the case, but it's a pattern i've noticed

[split tide]

If it’s super close to finishing I could see them putting out a release date

[opaque sigil]

SS announcement trailer on Nintendo has 4.3 million views

[terse nest]

yes that's why i'm saying that if it isn't at TGA it will probably not release early 2022

[split tide]

But in general it doesn’t feel like TC’s under as much pressure as other indie devs, or even AAA devs

[trim estuary]

Yeah but that was at E3

[opaque sigil]

Except "early 2022" is more than enough time to reach a state in which the game is ready to release and release it

[high hedge]

Don’t give me hope

I’ll only see it as cope

[terse nest]

your too optimistic

[opaque sigil]

[trim estuary]

Tammo? Optimistic?

[opaque sigil]

Three months is a long time

[terse nest]

yes

but in general there's a 5-6 month stretch of time between release date and actual release

[opaque sigil]

For AAAs maybe

HK had a two week window

Also AAAs generally announce earlier than they probably should

TC has no reason to sit on the game for 5-6 months

[bleak scarab]

plottwist: Silksong is gonna have a 2 hour window this time

like that's ever gonna happen

[opaque sigil]

Well... barring perfect circumstances

[coarse leaf]

They'll definitely release it early some year, they always have

[coarse leaf]

not on this economy

[opaque sigil]

Sample size of one

[trim estuary]

There’s an economy in this server????

[coarse leaf]

This server has everything

[bleak scarab]

except silksong

[pallid flare]

of course

[pastel silo]

It wouldn't be a coincidence , it would mean that they managed to hit their plans.

[coarse leaf]

There's a silksong zip in the staff chat i know it

[opaque sigil]

.

[trim estuary]

[opaque sigil]

.

Read messages

[trim estuary]

Well yeah I do have access to the staff chat why?

[radiant wraith]

It's a horrible thing this leak

[sullen fractal]

If there were to be a trailer at TGA, what would yall want to see in it

[normal token]

The release date

[shell yacht]

[sullen fractal]

Hollow knight was a relatively blind experience for me so I'm hoping it's not much more than a release date

[radiant wraith]

That and some old footage as filler

[sullen fractal]

made it real special

[pastel silo]

But we don't know if TC considers the date they put in as an estimate or just a random date. If it was an estimate then ss releasing in february is not a coincidence.

[opaque sigil]

[terse nest]

well considering they've only ever released one game, i don't think it's saying much that they always have

[trim estuary]

Just the red fire thing that is the main menu screen and “EARLY 2022” or “DECEMBER 21ST”

[opaque sigil]

Presupposing nonsense does not a strong argument make

[bleak scarab]

wait when did they release hungry knight and ugly mummy vs jesus?

[coarse leaf]

The game, the SS trailer, all of those were early year

[trim estuary]

Ugly Mummy VS Jesus? what

[sullen fractal]

That would be nice, I don't want any additional footage tbh

[opaque sigil]

And the HK updates and everything else was scattered around

[bleak scarab]

how do you not know that mastepiece of a game?

[pastel silo]

Neither does discrediting it as a coincidence without having any insight into how tc themselves view the date

[normal token]

Wasn't Grimm troupe in hallowen

[coarse leaf]

we're talking about SS release date not updates

[opaque sigil]

If you count the SS announcement trailer then you clearly aren't just counting game releases

[shell yacht]

youre assuming tc had anythimg to do with nvidia lmao

[opaque sigil]

[bleak scarab]

do dlcs count?

[coarse leaf]

Its a fact that TC likes releasing trailers and games early year, period

[shell yacht]

asks tc- so date?
tc- no
ok random

[opaque sigil]

Is it

[coarse leaf]

yes Tammo

[opaque sigil]

Look at all the HK trailers

[shell yacht]

damn yall think yall got this down huh

[opaque sigil]

June, December, Feb, September

[pastel silo]

No im not, I said that it could be either way, my point was that if TC put in the date as an estimate and it ends up actually releasing in february then it wouldnt be a coincidence

[opaque sigil]

That's not correct.

[shell yacht]

[opaque sigil]

You presuppose that an estimate they have more than 6 months out is more than a tenuous guess

[shell yacht]

[trim estuary]

mute emote spam

[shell yacht]

[radiant wraith]

[hasty oar]

This is why I don’t go into ss discussion often anymore

[bleak scarab]

[radiant wraith]

We don't do this most times

[pastel silo]

Ofc it can only be a rough estimate but if they manage to hit it then you can't just say that SS releasing in february was a coincidence. That'a all I argued for , I said multiple times that we cant say whether its a random date or an estimate.

[opaque sigil]

Unless you're arguing that they could predict a realistic date more than half a year in advance with some tangible reliability you're just being pedantic

And I really don't care if you want to be pedantic

[pastel silo]

You can have a reasonable guess half a year in advance , ofc it cant be 100% correct. And if that's the case , if the date was really their guess then them hitting it means their estimation was correct. Thus not a pure coincidence.

[opaque sigil]

So yeah pedantic

[pastel silo]

Ironic that you out of all people call someone pedantic but whatever

[coarse leaf]

even if they hit it, i guess we'll never rly know if it was the nvidia thing or not

[trim estuary]

Pneumoultramicroscopicsilivolcanoconiosis?

[languid linden]

Paodok'Draba'Takat Sap'De'Rekti Nik'Linke'Ti' Ki'Vef'Nik'NeSevef'Li'Kek

[sacred stratus]

is this some Eldrich language I cannot speak?

[trim estuary]

Yea

[languid linden]

No its this guy https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Paodok'Draba'Takat_Sap'De'Rekti_Nik'Linke'Ti'_Ki'Vef'Nik'NeSevef'Li'Kek

[signal crag]

how does developers try to guess a release date/window early in advance? what's their method anyway?

[opaque sigil]

You guess

[trim estuary]

Here’s how they do it:
“Uh, yeah, we could probably finish by that date.”

[sacred stratus]

and change it if necessary

[opaque sigil]

Err on the side of conservativism ig, especially if it's public, but it's a guess

[signal crag]

.....that's it? don't you use plans or a schedule for what's need to be made for the game?

[coarse leaf]

base it on their work schedule i guess

[trim estuary]

[opaque sigil]

Maybe but at most those inform the guess because you can't really know how long it'll take to do anything

If something you anticipated taking a day causes unexpected problems it could take a week

[coarse leaf]

yh, sometimes i spend several years on the toilet

[opaque sigil]

I assume that isn't a real attempt at a counterargument

[signal crag]

then i don't see why TC couldn't have done the same, even if it was just an internal thing
(if that leaked date was something they themself put ofc)

[opaque sigil]

they could have but it has no inherent credibility considering how they did placeholders in Steam

They probably just chose an arbitrary date, if they chose it at all

[coarse leaf]

no lol, but i think you can have a pretty decent idea at how long things take

[opaque sigil]

Some things moreso than others

Game development can get messy if something goes sideways

And every change can cause a cascade of other needed changes

And that's not even considering scope creep

[coarse leaf]

that just means you make a prediction with your max margin

[opaque sigil]

There is no max margin

[coarse leaf]

ok max margin with 90% accuracy

[opaque sigil]

And a prediction based on the max margin would be wildly off

[normal token]

Developer magic

[opaque sigil]

Still not really a thing

There's no way to calculate how long the game would likely take

Unless you set a solid date and say "no matter what it releases now" but that's bad and dumb

At the end of the day it's a guess, and a guess informed by circumstances at the time.

[normal token]

Silksong will release in the future

[opaque sigil]

6+ months is a long time in advance to guess

[coarse leaf]

idk, i think you can have a decent idea at the kind of errors you'll encounter and how much time you'll need to set aside

[opaque sigil]

So much will change over that period

[opaque sigil]

You might have an idea of some of the errors you may encounter but you don't know if/how many you will, nor will you be able to predict all of them

And you won't be able to predict how long it would take to fix them

And again, scope creep

[opaque sigil]

.

The game can get larger, you can encounter errors, you can have to balance things, etc etc

The number of things that can confound the accuracy of a guess is hardly small

[signal crag]

alright 8 years then, thanks Tammo

[normal token]

If the game just continues getting larger, then they would literally never finish

[opaque sigil]

The only circumstances where you could maybe make a tangible estimate is when you're almost done, ie when there's not much time for things to go wrong

Six (or more likely around ten) months is a long time for things to go wrong

[signal crag]

not sure if that APWOT magazine suggested that they don't really plan too many things ahead or something

they get ideas as they go, i don't remember well

[coarse leaf]

We're treating SS like its Cyberpunk that takes 10 years to release 💀

[crisp drift]

maybe SS is Cyberpunk /j

[opaque sigil]

Long dev time wasn't cyberpunk's problem and SS isn't taking that long anyways

[silver oak]

It’s not gonna take 10 years
That was an anomaly, not the norm

[normal token]

I'd be concerned if SS takes 10 years

[signal crag]

any indie game than doesn't take at least 6 years to be made can only be bad, trust me on this

[silver oak]

Most games that spend 10 years in development are ones that are purposefully built to have new content added constantly