sk-discussion

[hollow terrace]

Oh god they’re throwing out silksong content

[stark estuary]

What's silksong?

[hollow terrace]

But now not in a good way!

[jade canopy]

Silksong is cancel ?!?!!???

[vale prism]

This is information that already existed on the internet, it is nothing leaked or new, but it is interesting to see.

[opaque sigil]

The stuff in the activity is mostly just moving files into the right places

[olive bobcat]

What's this all about?

[stark estuary]

Hey guys you know Grindle is a Snail Shaman

[normal token]

Aluo!

[olive bobcat]

Looks to me like someone's going on about something miniscule

[opaque sigil]

Kirb stg imma be at your house in 5 min with a pitchfork

[stark estuary]

I have evidence look

[vale prism]

I'll tell you what they did here, they basically moved everything from Ari Gibson's personal Drive account to a account for just Team Cherry stuff.

[normal token]

All grindles are snail shamans but not all hornets are snail shamans

[vale prism]

And they updated the url, there seems to be no more.

That's why on the websites says "Last mod Oct 27"

Speaking of websites, I found a way to access the old Team Cherry websites (without web archive, a live version), so if anyone wants to see something, let me know.

[olive bobcat]

So nothing's happening

[shell yacht]

never was

[olive bobcat]

True...

[normal token]

Join the tga cult though

[shell yacht]

no

[stark estuary]

no

[olive bobcat]

I'm done with fakes rn

[opaque sigil]

[olive bobcat]

So I'll have to pass

SS at TGA would be the biggest fake ever

[normal token]

Damn aluo's last fake becsme a reality

[olive bobcat]

I've been making BDSP fakes as of late

[opaque sigil]

Then maybe don't say anything about it to anybody else

[shell yacht]

why, the game already looks fake as shit

[olive bobcat]

I'm excited to play it

My preorder is scheduled to arrive Monday

[cerulean sable]

Guys i dont wanna tell you this but ive been working on the Fortune 500 companies netcode, and i can easily breach through by bypassing the proxy firewall, but i wont do it

[olive bobcat]

What an honorable internet gentleman

[normal token]

Wow why even get it

[olive bobcat]

My brain has two sides in regards to Shining Pearl

One side is "they probably dropped the ball, the visuals have grown on you because they're better than originally, etc etc"
The other side is "SINNOH SINNOH SINNOH SINN"

[normal token]

Silksong in sinnoh

[marsh ibex]

Sure, I’ll tell my brother

[normal token]

And tell your dad

[olive bobcat]

My father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate actually works for Team Cherry

[jade canopy]

Press X to doubt

[marsh ibex]

Thanks window

[vale prism]

Well, in summary, tell him to check the email.

[olive bobcat]

DM Leth I guess

[marsh ibex]

I did alert both graig and leth so

[vale prism]

I sent an email to the affected person's email, to see if he sees it.

[opaque sigil]

New topic?

[normal token]

No new topic!

[vale prism]

And I sent a contact form on the official page.

[fiery coral]

uhhhhhh

anyone played the new Baba is You update

[normal token]

Nope

I don't even have the game

[fiery coral]

[olive bobcat]

Let's discuss this (fake)

[normal token]

But let's bully Aluo for getting pokémon shining pearl

[vale prism]

And I want to clarify that my intention is not to do evil things, now that I found this out, I just want to help him avoid a future problem.

[marsh ibex]

mhm

drop it thanks

[vale prism]

Well that's it, thanks for letting them know. I'll wait for their answer.

[olive bobcat]

What do you expect me to get, Diamond?

[normal token]

None of them

[olive bobcat]

Imma trade with my friend who's getting Diamond, cause that Honchkrow 👀

[coarse leaf]

Wait, I actually didn't know tha there was an update
There's something new on it?

[fiery coral]

Yeah!

The level editor is now available to all, and there's two whole new sections

[coarse leaf]

Yoooooo, that's awesome

[fiery coral]

First new section is Museum, which has previously unused levels + earlier versions of levels that didn't make the cut (and perhaps more, but I haven't gotten that far yet)

Second new section is called New Adventures and is just a completely new thing

New characters, new rules etc.

Play it as soon as you can, it's been really fun so far

[coarse leaf]

I'm actually going to play the update rn!

[fiery coral]

[coarse leaf]

Wait, what, there's like, 30+ unused levels in Museum

[fiery coral]

Lot of content to go through

[next orbit]

Well I heard that Silksong will be one hundo percent free is that right?

[cunning geode]

No

Only for kickstarters who backed Hollow Knight

You misread

[next orbit]

Nah I actually read it true but Idk the word "Kickstarter"

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, I think it could easily be DLC content though, but I'm happy that they just put all of that content in an update

[cunning geode]

Hollow Knight was put on the kickstarter website when it was being developed to garner community funds from online

if you “backed” the game you basically invested in TC

[next orbit]

Ok

[cunning geode]

Now everyone who backed the first game will also get the second one for free

[next orbit]

For simple:I wont get it too.

[cunning geode]

yeah. You won’t if you didn’t back it

[uncut citrus]

Breaking news: silksong actually released a couple weeks ago but none of us actually realized

[coarse leaf]

imagine 😂

[trim estuary]

Wdym imagine? I’m playing it rn

[olive bobcat]

I think Adamant Platinum is a good name

[silver oak]

What if we all were playing silksong the whole time

[trim estuary]

What if the real silksong is the frie-

[silver oak]

don't back down

[sage berry]

fried chicken I regurgitated yesterday? no

[silver oak]

-nds we made along the way?

[opaque sigil]

It was also probably the closest you'll ever be able to get to preordering a TC game

[vale prism]

According to Steam and SteamDB, this seems to be the official game icon. On SteamDB you can also find it with better quality, so here you have it. (I don't know if this had been shown here before, in that case, sorry for the repost)

[coarse leaf]

huge discovery

[vale prism]

Probably not

As I said, "I don't know if this had been shown here before, in that case, sorry for the repost"

Surely everyone has already seen this image, but hey, the intention is what counts.

[cerulean sable]

these shouldve been the desktop icons for HK and SS imo

latter ofc is white

but thats just my opinion

[opaque sigil]

The first one wouldn't make sense to people until they reach a fairly late stage in the game

[cerulean sable]

or maybe i just dont like how low res the icons look for me

[opaque sigil]

Why not just a hallownest seal

[cerulean sable]

actually Hallownest seal is a better choice

[vale prism]

There is one thing with this icons that... let's say it does not fit at all

[cerulean sable]

i just dont like how low res the icons are for me

[vale prism]

One has a background, the other doesn't

But in fact, there's another file on SteamDB that shows the Hornet icon with a red background

[trim estuary]

Yeah we’ve seen the SteamDB stuff but I haven’t seen it in this high of quality

[vale prism]

I imagine they'll change the icon later to this one, but with better quality

[obsidian topaz]

silksong icon leaked omg poggers holy shit

[vale prism]

As I said, "I don't know if this had been shown here before, in that case, sorry for the repost" x2

[obsidian topaz]

but steam page is a very positive development ngl

[cerulean sable]

weve known of the icons since like, last last year though

theyve always been in steam DB

[trim estuary]

We also have the header, the library artwork, and the logo

[vale prism]

Yes, Steam automatically loads those images on the Steam library

[coarse leaf]

just need the game now

[fallow rock]

well this is more productive than anyother disscussion

[trim estuary]

TOOOLS?

[vale prism]

Has anyone already seen this image in high quality?

In the past, I mean. It's out of curiosity, nothing more.

[pallid flare]

yea

[vale prism]

Well, then, sorry about the repost.

[pallid flare]

god's nightmares

yeah it's the sound track

[coarse leaf]

Wow, this Baba is You update is actually really good, I didn't expect that the unused levels could be as fun & as solid as the levels in the final release

[balmy pasture]

who is baba

[pallid flare]

but I don't want to be baba

[cerulean sable]

baba is all of us

X-Com: Baba Within now available on Steam 🥺

[vale prism]

🤔

[pallid flare]

holhow knight

[cerulean sable]

kinda works

[vale prism]

It looks good, I'm not going to lie.

[pallid flare]

it's square

[opaque sigil]

Still think stylized hallownest seal would be better

[cerulean sable]

honestly my main issue isnt even with the logo choice, the knights zoomed in face just looks odd to me

[opaque sigil]

KB isn't as iconic

[cerulean sable]

fuck dude it could be a nail vector for all i care

[stark estuary]

The one on the PK shirt

PK himself

I thought "The Hollow Knight" was the name of the player character

[thorn bear]

lol

i call it the knight or ghost

[opaque sigil]

(Kirb was joking)

[thorn bear]

ok

[opaque sigil]

But up until CoT assuming TK is THK is not unreasonable

[stark estuary]

Indeedith

[pallid flare]

or if you don't pay attention, never

(just like I did)

[opaque sigil]

Well that's your fault innit

[stark estuary]

Yeah if you don't read the final boss' name

[pallid flare]

I never said it wasn't

I thought they were both hollow or something

being siblings and all

[opaque sigil]

[stark estuary]

Tammo, do you see. Hollowness... no matter how hard we try to escape it, it haunts us.

[pallid flare]

look, i had more important things on my mind than the name of the main character of this game I was playing once a week

[stark estuary]

You only played HK once a week? Smh fake fan

[bronze monolith]

I'm about to go through the hell that is beating everything on radiant difficulty, followed by getting all the bindings.

[stark estuary]

Radiant Lace is really hard, be careful.

[bronze monolith]

You joke but something like Godhome in Silksong would be cool. I like having a "boss mode".

[tawdry valley]

Haha yes, imagine if there was someone who hadn’t played for an extended session for like, a year

[stark estuary]

I also haven't played for several months

However, I am not a fake fan.

[bronze monolith]

I didn't like the look of Hollow Knight when I first played. I got past the False Knight then sort of forgot it for a month before playing again. Then I got hopelessly addicted as soon as I got to Greenpath.

[stark estuary]

I liked HK until I saw Elderbug, then I immediately closed the game, never touched it again, and burned my Switch for good measure.

[opaque sigil]

Elderbug is indeed a jackass

[latent thicket]

im going to cry why are you saying this

[opaque sigil]

It's true. He's a passive aggressive, unpleasant guy

[coarse leaf]

My shirt?

[cerulean sable]

i fucking hate elderbug

[coarse leaf]

Who doesn't

[cerulean sable]

who gave him ownership of dirtmouth

[stark estuary]

Elderbug's face invokes strong feelings of loathing and repugnance.

[coarse leaf]

He isn't the owner though

[coarse leaf]

actually looks better than the original imo

[opaque sigil]

And who made him such a condescending ass

[latent thicket]

this is true

[cerulean sable]

well isnt it a rule that, if youre the last living guy in your town, youre automatically promoted to mayor

[latent thicket]

he got it by default. everyone left

[latent thicket]

YEAH

[stark estuary]

Hey, there are a whole... five other people who live there!

[latent thicket]

wait no there's one person who's always in dirtmouth

but they are kinda locked in their own house

[radiant wraith]

Stardew Valley but in Dirtmouth

[opaque sigil]

Elderbug's too much of a coward to know Jiji and Jinn

He just ran away

[outer bridge]

Elderbug acts in a very xenophobic manner towards the Grimm Troupe

[radiant wraith]

I love how that implies he almost never leaves that spot where he stands

Boring life

[nimble radish]

not sure why anyone would use a simple lock since basically anyone can open them

[bronze monolith]

Elderbug lets a girl run into the wilderness to near certain death once you beat Grey Prince Zote enough times.

[nimble radish]

seems pretty pointless as a security measure

[gloomy jacinth]

Hi everyone, I made a demake of the Silksong demo(only Moss Grotto): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p_tuYnKuLiF5jKZh71LnEgrTdnVJT4hT?usp=sharing

[radiant wraith]

The thing with simple locks is that they break keys that open them

[nimble radish]

not his problem

[radiant wraith]

He let anyone do that

[stark estuary]

Elderbug is an asshole

[nimble radish]

so are you

[stark estuary]

Ok but but

[opaque sigil]

Elderbug sucks, all my homies hate elderbug

[latent thicket]

okay you've convinced me

[radiant wraith]

Just some old dude

[nimble radish]

hallownest security is terrible

[latent thicket]

he still gets a flower though.

[opaque sigil]

Oh. My mistake. Yes. Very foolish of me. I don't know why I thought you'd go to so much effort for a simple old bug.

Appreciating others and being considerate... these aren't skills that everyone is born with.
Considering his response when you don't give him one, he doesn't deserve it

[stark estuary]

Yeah what a fucking ass

[nimble radish]

cranky old man

[opaque sigil]

Elderbug logic:
Demands flower
Does not receive flower
"Oh I guess you're just inconsiderate and unappreciative"

[stark estuary]

FUCK YOU Elderbug do you EVEN KNOW what I had to go through to get this FUCKING FLOWER all the way here from RG? DO YOU???

[normal token]

Haha, who would refuse to play HK for months

[crimson drift]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gun-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-eyebrowns-gif-18404585

[radiant wraith]

Yeah that sucks

Elderbug is such a boomer

Boomerbug

[serene chasm]

Elderbug. More smellderbug

[coarse leaf]

🔥🔥🔥

[outer bridge]

If you think about it Elderbug is really thematically an antagonist

[gilded adder]

Elderbug? More like Baderbug.

[outer bridge]

If the bad ending is Hallownest maintained in stasis, an acceptance of the status quo, nobody is a stronger advocate of those values than Elderbug

[gloomy jacinth]

Please play my Silksong demo demake https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p_tuYnKuLiF5jKZh71LnEgrTdnVJT4hT?usp=sharing

If you want

[cunning geode]

link is a bit suspicious

[nimble radish]

sfeljf atdverstiseng

age t bandne

[outer bridge]

Opening random zip files

[cunning geode]

have you been lurking here for a while and just now wanted to show off this project? genuine question

[gloomy jacinth]

No

I just haven't shared it and thought maybe Hollow knight server would like it

I just worked on it for some time for fun

[marsh ibex]

it’s advertising anyways

[cunning geode]

well i say "lurking" since you joined back in Feb and haven't said anything until now

[opaque sigil]

I mean... is it really advertising to just share a project

[coarse leaf]

2mb 👀

[gloomy jacinth]

Is it against the rules?

[opaque sigil]

Especially when you don't benefit from people seeing the project

[cunning geode]

no no, I was just curious

[gloomy jacinth]

I don't know how I can make it less suspicious

[cunning geode]

i hope you can understand how strange it comes off as

[obsidian topaz]

you guys seen this yet ? https://youtu.be/XiyIIbjXWUs

[cunning geode]

yeah

[vale prism]

I have not opened it, but editing the file you can see this.

[gloomy jacinth]

That's weird

[vale prism]

It looks like a game made in GameMaker, but I wouldn't trust it, just in case I wouldn't open it.

[gloomy jacinth]

I understand

I'm sorry

[cunning geode]

hey, it sounds cool though

[vale prism]

Maybe send some screenshots or something

[copper knot]

i mean i am willing to bite the bullet and try it out

[gloomy jacinth]

I can post some screenshots if you'd like

[copper knot]

alright i will download it

[outer bridge]

Yeah maybe if you make a video of yourself playing through it it’ll be easier to share your work :)

[copper knot]

aaand it wouldnt load

[gloomy jacinth]

I'm very sorry, I even tried it on my school PC and it worked

[vale prism]

Can you send some screenshots to see it?

Or at least to verify that you really made a game, and it's not a virus

[empty trench]

sus

[vale prism]

Judging from the content of the files, there are several references to GameMaker, so it really looks like a game and not a virus.

[pallid flare]

should I take the L and download it

[cunning geode]

[coarse leaf]

ur antivirus will flag if it was unsafe anyway

its actually pretty good

[vale prism]

Seems clean, I'll take the risk, I'm going to try it.

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you

[coarse leaf]

Yooooo, this looks great

[gloomy jacinth]

It's only Moss Grotto

Thank you so much!

[obsidian topaz]

actually good shit wow.

[balmy pasture]

looks pretty pog

[vale prism]

It's actually pretty good

[coarse leaf]

But hey, you could try out to make other areas from the demo, it looks pretty

[vale prism]

I think I've seen something similar to this game on the internet.

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you a lot

I might also recreate Deep Docks, just going to take a while

[coarse leaf]

the heal animation is rly nice

Wait, did they recreate the boss fight in that area?

[balmy pasture]

how do you use the needle

[pallid flare]

j

[balmy pasture]

is thee like a place with all the controls

[gloomy jacinth]

The controls are:
A - Move left
D - Move Right
J - Needle
K - Jump
E - Heal
F11 - Fullscreen

You can also dive attack while in air by pressing J while holding S

[balmy pasture]

yeah thats pretty cool

[vale prism]

Ok, it reminded me to another silksong demake that it's on the internet called Silksong Gameboy or something like that, but it's not the same game, so it seems that you really made it.

[gloomy jacinth]

You can also jump by pressing space if you prefer that

[vale prism]

It's quite good, congrats.

[balmy pasture]

can i follow you somewhere to see your progress on this its pretty cool

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you

I don't really post progress, but I appreciate the interest

[coarse leaf]

How long did you take to make this demake?

[pallid flare]

this was actually quite good

[coarse leaf]

the ledge grab is pretty smooth

[gloomy jacinth]

A little less than two weeks

[coarse leaf]

That's impressive

[pallid flare]

yeah it is

[vale prism]

You can try to add some sounds to the game.

[gloomy jacinth]

I don't know how though

But I would like to

[balmy pasture]

honestly if you ever update it just put the new version in the drive every once in a while im gonna be checking it from time to time

[coarse leaf]

is the gravity exponential, or did you use the regular 9.8g constant?

[gloomy jacinth]

I'm not sure, the gravity constantly adds a value until a max value

[coarse leaf]

just wondering cos it feels pretty good, usually if you implement irl gravity it doesn't fit that well

[vale prism]

This is probably the closest we are gonna get to Silksong * cries *

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you, I tuned it a fair bit

[balmy pasture]

the fact that this little game is already so fun makes me excited for the real SS

[coarse leaf]

They will probably finish SS before it releases

[hollow finch]

beo when silksong

ive been waiting 3 years now

😢

[coarse leaf]

Now you'll wait for 4 years, and then 5, and then 6, and then 10!

[pallid flare]

oh no!

[normal token]

Honestly the controls feel hard to use for me

[vale prism]

Yes, that's why I've suggested the key remap menu.

[coarse leaf]

It could be nice to use a controller to control the character as well

[gloomy jacinth]

What keyboard controls would you prefer?

[vale prism]

It even has benches :0

[gloomy jacinth]

Of course, wouldn't be Hollow Knight without

[obsidian topaz]

silksong released so happy

how do you sit on the bench @gloomy jacinth

[vale prism]

With "W"

[gloomy jacinth]

Oh, that's W

[normal token]

J and L move left and right, x to jump and z to attack, e is fine though

[vale prism]

It's actually quite good

[gloomy jacinth]

I can try add customizable controls

[normal token]

I think the pixel art at the beginning is really good

[gloomy jacinth]

Not at the end?

[potent plover]

I wonder if silksong will have adaptive music?

[normal token]

Wait there's more pixel art stills at the end of the game?

[obsidian topaz]

lol are there multiple bosses i found the bee one

[slow heart]

Silksong will come out yesterday.

[gloomy jacinth]

There is only Moss Mother

[normal token]

Hey I foundthe gate

[gloomy jacinth]

Really wonder what's going to be behind them in the final game

[obsidian topaz]

some music would really go a long way like this track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRs58D34OLY

[gloomy jacinth]

I know, but I want everything to be original, and I can't remake music

I also don't know how to make sound effects

[obsidian topaz]

understandable good shit anyways

[potent plover]

Do you guys think adaptive music in silksong would be a good idea?

[opaque sigil]

Didn't HK do that kinda?

Where it had more intense variants of music for combat

[jade canopy]

or for hard platforming section

[opaque sigil]

Either way I do love that sort of thing. 3H did a great job with the rain/thunder variants

[slow heart]

Yes.

[obsidian topaz]

yo i did it 🙂 thank you _fg

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you for playing the whole thing, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[potent plover]

I mean music that constantly changes tone depending on what is going on around you, Is that it?

[opaque sigil]

Well it isn't constantly changing but it does change

[potent plover]

For example the less masks you have the more intense the music gets

[shy stirrup]

this looks dope

what is it?

[potent plover]

or when the boss gets staggered the music slows down

[normal token]

But I don't want the low mask theme to get in the way of the cool boss theme

[obsidian topaz]

its an actal fangame made by @gloomy jacinth https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p_tuYnKuLiF5jKZh71LnEgrTdnVJT4hT

[shy stirrup]

oh thats dope

is it compatible with a controller

[potent plover]

I Don't mean the entire loop changing, probably just a few more strings and instruments added or something, I don't really understand how adaptive music works.

[gloomy jacinth]

@shy stirrup Unfortunately not

[obsidian topaz]

low mask just slowed and reduced the volume right ? i think its important anyways for focussing

[shy stirrup]

ah ok

ill still check it out tho!

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you

[potent plover]

how can you play the pixel art game?

[gloomy jacinth]

You can download it here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p_tuYnKuLiF5jKZh71LnEgrTdnVJT4hT?usp=sharing

[pallid flare]

download and play

[shy stirrup]

oh this is so cool

no audio is a bit weird

[normal hinge]

fight and flight

[random fox]

Silksong lookin good

[potent plover]

ok uh how do I attack

nvm

[obsidian topaz]

j

[potent plover]

haha very funny

Oh it's an actual bug

[gloomy jacinth]

Hmmm, I will look at it

Did she try to ledgegrab?

[potent plover]

moss mother time

NOO I died

[uncut citrus]

sad

i wanna play it but i cant rn

[potent plover]

YESS I did it

That's the end I guess

Very fun!

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you for playing! I might also remake Deep Docks later

[potent plover]

I'll no doubt play the deep docks if you make it

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you!

[balmy pasture]

holy damn the fact that you actually made moss mother attack faster and stuff as her hp gets down is cool i like it

[potent plover]

Good boss

[uncut citrus]

me everytimes i play HK while i also played a bit of another game, i use arrows for HK but wasd for every other game

[balmy pasture]

this just made me want silksong even more

[pastel silo]

yea thanks for blueballing us

[balmy pasture]

zad

[pastel silo]

good shit tho, didn't expect there would be the boss fight too, good job

[coarse leaf]

did a mf really just make his own silksong

[balmy pasture]

yeah and its actually pretty freaking good

nvm i can definitely tell that when i get my hands on SS im probably gonna play it for like 5 hours straight

[opaque sigil]

only 5?

[balmy pasture]

heck yea im spedrunning

[uncut citrus]

without muscle meory you'd have to actually think when doing a boss for the 4822th time, im not sure any of our brain can think for as long as p5 like that

[balmy pasture]

muscle memory is annoying when you want to get rid of it but amazing in other cases

yeah same but for the first day i will probably play a bit more than later less

[uncut citrus]

played an hour or two/day and i finished everything but Godhome HK in like 3 months, with quests and stuff in silksong even at 4h/day you'll probably take a few months dont worry

[balmy pasture]

i mean ss will be about the same size as hk so i doubt it

[uncut citrus]

ehh why are you saying that?

[balmy pasture]

they do know when they will release it
when its ready

[balmy pasture]

because they said so, it might be a bit bigger but not like much bigger

[uncut citrus]

well they said they wanted it bigger or at least as big as HK, doesnt mean it will be as big or slightly bigger

[balmy pasture]

well Leth said they dont want to make it too big so yeah

so yeah it might very well be bigger than hk but probably not by such a huge amount

[nimble vessel]

I want it to last forever

[uncut citrus]

they also said 150 enemies at least, and they are over 163 so they are probably trying to make sure not to let down anyone by making the game "only" as big as hk while they said it will be bigger, this way if its as big then well they said it, and if its bigger everyone is happy

[carmine sapphire]

We will most probably get dlcs eventually too so they really shouldnt add too much now, and if they wanna add more they add it later

[balmy pasture]

well its probably going to end up being bigger but like definitely not as much as you describe

[balmy pasture]

i think we wont get dlcs because the only reason that HK had dlcs was so they could add the content they already wanted on release

[potent plover]

well there goes my theory of silksong having 70 areas

[uncut citrus]

"making the game take forever" probably doesnt include side quest, if godhome was included in HK playtime it would be longer than skyrim

[carmine sapphire]

[balmy pasture]

so i think they will just have everything they want on launch

[coarse leaf]

but that's the thing, they could do it again

[potent plover]

No dlcs, No small addidions, No bug fixes

[uncut citrus]

the main game wont take too long, but there will surely be dozen of hours of sidequest like in HK (without even taking account of godhome)

[normal token]

1 hour after ss release
Ari and William release a silksong content pack trailer

[uncut citrus]

we'll never live without hype

[balmy pasture]

well yeah, but there has to be a limit obviously even concerning sidequests

[potent plover]

silkhome DLC, coming 2022 $49.99

[balmy pasture]

idk aight i also think it will be bigger but not like twice as big or anything crazy like that

all i know is its going to be quality stuff so even if its as big as HK it will just be better all round

[potent plover]

its gonna have randomly generated maps and 200+ hours of open-world multiplayer gameplay, VR and multiple crossovers/collabs

[opaque sigil]

I mean in terms of pure world size it could easily be twice as big

[normal token]

HK is already bigger than other metroidvanias

[uncut citrus]

randomly generated map would be cool but like... probably near-impossible to even make, let alone for a few ppls to do it in a few years

[silver oak]

Hey @gloomy jacinth I played your game, it was really good

[balmy pasture]

yeah but we talking content not room size

[opaque sigil]

I mean there is Chasm but that... didn't work out great

Content wise SS is probably significantly larger but twice the size is a bit high

[uncut citrus]

no i mean the rooms are randomly generated

[potent plover]

silksong coming 2022- No 2023- 2038.

[uncut citrus]

like not premade rooms put together

[balmy pasture]

idk that just doesnt even sound like it would be that good

[potent plover]

Speaking of chasms- Hang on, Let me get a picture

[opaque sigil]

It'd depend on the quality of the generation program

[stark estuary]

There are a few roguelites with Metroidvania elements mixed in

Like Dead Cells

[coarse leaf]

like the bg art and stuff?

[carmine sapphire]

How does one fix a bug, silly!

[uncut citrus]

actually a rando rooms mod with boss difficutly and item level depending on how many rooms it is from the start would be a cool near infinite replayablility experience but will probably be also really hard to code

[potent plover]

I wonder how big this chasm will be?

We know it is all throughout the moss grotto, But I wonder if it will be like a small forgotten crossroads that leads to other areas all around the map?

[carmine sapphire]

Chasm? Like what they wanted to do in hk to get monarch wings?

[uncut citrus]

but thats just cause hornet is claustrophobic

[potent plover]

The chasm hornet falls through in the demo

[silver oak]

Fatality

[carmine sapphire]

No wait did i get completely wrong what chasm means

[silver oak]

Chasm is a big hole

[balmy pasture]

kind of i guess

[coarse leaf]

that would be quite cool, if u could fall through and watch the scenery slowly change between areas

[potent plover]

I wonder what side the moss grotto will be on?

[marsh ibex]

it’s a deep hole

[balmy pasture]

im thinking left but its just a guess

[potent plover]

Probably the left side of the map since the cultists were passing over it right

[balmy pasture]

i guess

[potent plover]

I assume forest of bones will be on the same layer as moss grotto since its kinda "primitive" and deep docks will be abive FOB because its more industrial and advanced

[nimble steppe]

[opaque sigil]

The lava level seems to be below MG

[balmy pasture]

probably around the same level

[nimble steppe]

FOB is definitely gonna be like the mantis' village and the fungal wastes

[potent plover]

What makes you say that?

[opaque sigil]

Bonebottom

[nimble steppe]

Foliage around several exits to the deep docks

[opaque sigil]

Well that's not MG foliage

The flora around the lace arena is different

[potent plover]

Speaking of the foilage, Its not actually moss grotto foilage, We see an image of a diffirent unknown area filled with the foilage in DD

[potent plover]

I ahve it riiiight here,

[serene chasm]

dammit tammo.

[nimble steppe]

Awesome

[balmy pasture]

HK fans on their way to discover every type of foliage (they need to know which area is after deep docks)

[potent plover]

Yeah, the foilage seems to actually be kinda mixed in with FOB a little, And there is an ant there too, so

[serene chasm]

so far we have 3 green areas

[silver oak]

Kratos bug

Bottom text

[potent plover]

Is it strange to assume that this bug might give a crest?

[opaque sigil]

It might

[silver oak]

No, that makes some sense

[nimble steppe]

I'm hoping fir a snowy or ice area

[stark estuary]

Yeah. KE wasn't really a snow area.

[balmy pasture]

with ice physics

[normal token]

HK fans creating their own silksong to figure out what's the next area

[silver oak]

Did someone say Snow Monastary?

[dusty nimbus]

"Girl have you seen where boi went?"

[potent plover]

I mean, hornet is seen having a different crest equipped in this image

[dusty nimbus]

Great summoning circle of Jef

[opaque sigil]

She has that crest in a few of the edge screenshots

[silver oak]

Jiant Enemy Fool?

[dusty nimbus]

Exactly

[potent plover]

Have I heard that name before?

[opaque sigil]

Probably

[dusty nimbus]

Jef is the Mexican version of GEF

[silver oak]

Jaques Enemy Fool

[potent plover]

I feel like I know what Giant enemy fool is but I can't remember

[silver oak]

Was a regular here until about 2 and a half months ago

[potent plover]

Ah yes, Now I know

[dusty nimbus]

It does not matter for what does no longer exist is not known

[potent plover]

I used to be a regular but now I just come every month or two and stay for a week or two

[stark estuary]

Old regular

[coarse leaf]

There wasn't someone who remade the Silksong Demo's map?

[potent plover]

Wait, I ahve that hang on

[dusty nimbus]

I just come here whenever I'm phycologically confused and don't have my life together

[serene chasm]

And I believe someone is working on DD

[opaque sigil]

Reevers is

[coarse leaf]

I thought they were done with DD

[carmine sapphire]

Whats dd

[potent plover]

This too kinda

[serene chasm]

Deep Docks

[stark estuary]

Deez Duts

[balmy pasture]

i wonder what the map in ss will be like

probably different

[coarse leaf]

Or probably the same thing

[balmy pasture]

nahhh

[opaque sigil]

I don't see a need to change the map visuals really

[coarse leaf]

But tbf, they're probably going to make some QoL changes and that's it

[opaque sigil]

They could add more landmarks onto them or smth, that would be nice

[balmy pasture]

if it was the same thing they would have shown it on the demo

[potent plover]

I want them to keep the map markers

[balmy pasture]

yes

[stark estuary]

I never used markers ever

[balmy pasture]

same but they cool

[opaque sigil]

Not if the demo would have a different map or they just hadn't implemented it

[potent plover]

The demo area we got is actually kinda big looking at this fanmade map of it

[balmy pasture]

im sure there will at least be some quality of life changes

[potent plover]

Comparing to other Hollow knight areas

[opaque sigil]

Rosary strings are one

[carmine sapphire]

Is there a deep docks map?

[coarse leaf]

I think so, but it's not completed

[potent plover]

Its almost as big as fog canyon

[balmy pasture]

i mean map

[carmine sapphire]

Fog canyon is small

[potent plover]

yes but I'm just comparing a small part of moss grotto to it

[opaque sigil]

idk if the map needs qol updating, maybe make showing your location a toggle instead of an equippable thing, and get rid of quill being a separate item

[balmy pasture]

that isnt even the whole moss grotto

[coarse leaf]

I mean, a mini-map would be nice

[opaque sigil]

I wouldn't want one

[carmine sapphire]

I wouldnt want that

[normal token]

Remember how detailed old hk maps were

[carmine sapphire]

Plus just download a mod

[coarse leaf]

I don't really care about mini-map, but it could be a nice QoL option for some new player

[uncut citrus]

eh a mini map tool would be nice for ppls who want it

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, like a QoL option

[opaque sigil]

I don't think staring at a minimap would be more helpful than a compass analogue

[uncut citrus]

unless its a tool cause like they did this for compass in HK

yeah but you can look at your mini map in combat

[balmy pasture]

idk maybe just more markers that map different points of interest and stuff

[coarse leaf]

Why a mini-map would be a tool though?

[carmine sapphire]

Wayward compass in silksong?

[coarse leaf]

It's better to just make it an option that you can turn on & turn off

[uncut citrus]

your low, you dash away, a quick look at your mini map to see where's the closest bench, then run this way

[serene chasm]

what would be the point of a minimap. Its pretty easy to pull it up in HK and SS should be the same

[uncut citrus]

while looking at your map in Hk and probably silksong is slow and your barely moving during it

[opaque sigil]

And constantly having one on screen means not actually paying attention to the game

[potent plover]

Maybe a tool that alerts you if a secret is near?

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, but like I said, for QoL option, it isn't a bad idea

[carmine sapphire]

Im excited to see hornets map animations

[serene chasm]

And it would likely be too small (especially on switch) to be of any use

[coarse leaf]

nah, i like randomly hitting walls thx

[normal token]

Bold of the game to assume I won't hit random walls

[uncut citrus]

eh it can just be a little thing at the far up right, nobody says health bar is a problem even if it can be a distraction if you check it during a fight

[coarse leaf]

Like in Metroid? It could make secrets kinda easy to find, so it wouldn't be as special

[potent plover]

Just an idea

[opaque sigil]

Health bars in boss fights are annoying

[coarse leaf]

That's true

[uncut citrus]

[coarse leaf]

you can have a minimap and still pay attention

[uncut citrus]

i mean our health bar

[potent plover]

Maybe a small notifier of how far you are in a fight?

[opaque sigil]

But during exploration, where will people be looking

[uncut citrus]

not really a bar but like you get the idea

[coarse leaf]

Why would you want to know if you're almost beating the game?

[uncut citrus]

multiples phase

[potent plover]

?

[balmy pasture]

yeah that would lame

[coarse leaf]

Oh, in a fight

[coarse leaf]

the game i'd assume, a minimap is still only gonna show areas you've already unlocked

But it would be literally the same thing as a health bar, but kinda annoying

[opaque sigil]

And where entrances to new rooms are

[normal token]

No health bars add more tension to the boss

[uncut citrus]

really easy for AbsRad to notic, PV doent change that much but you can still see there a new attack at 66% and one at 33%, NKG got puffers... really hard bosses got them

then ofc there alot of other bosses who got indication that they lost alot of hp or second phases

[potent plover]

ohhh I mean like For example in Grimms fight there were like pufferfish attacks that happened when you depleted his health enough

[uncut citrus]

i meantioned NKG's puffer, same as grimm

[stark estuary]

Oh yeah by the way SS will have a Pale King boss fight

[uncut citrus]

[normal token]

And so Tammo prepares his knife

[coarse leaf]

I want a Pale Knight boss fight in Silksong!

[stark estuary]

I will not be silenced

[coarse leaf]

the map doesn't show rooms in detail though anyway, minimaps are usually even more zoomed out

[stark estuary]

Same. Like a flashback sorta thing maybe.

[balmy pasture]

pale knight?

[coarse leaf]

Me

[stark estuary]

Yeah.

[balmy pasture]

ok but how would hornet defeat the pale king he literally a god

[serene chasm]

why would hornet fight PK

[stark estuary]

I was going along with the joke

[normal token]

Because PK is a shit dad

[potent plover]

PK does kinda suck

[balmy pasture]

it sounded kind of serious lol

[serene chasm]

True. The boss fight would be; do angsty teenage shit

[stark estuary]

No u

[balmy pasture]

"kinda suck" killed probably thousands of his own children

[coarse leaf]

Wdym, I'm not bad :(

[stark estuary]

Deal with it

[potent plover]

Yeah he's kinda mean

[potent plover]

I was talking about the pale king

You are good

[balmy pasture]

who is the pale knight

[coarse leaf]

but PK = Pale Knight

[uncut citrus]

tbh if void entered the eggs before they were born its really just mass abortion, then you figure out if its bad or not

[coarse leaf]

Again, me!!

[potent plover]

Ok I will hate you then

[stark estuary]

He sacrificed a finite number of his own children for an indefinite number of future generations

[coarse leaf]

I'm not Pale King tho

[stark estuary]

There was nothing else PK could have done there

[opaque sigil]

Kirb that is the worst possible place to put that emphasis

[normal token]

Pale King: Makes thousands of children then dropping them off in the abyss and only one was risen
1 vessel and kingdom getting infected later
PK:

[stark estuary]

I emphasised it because it conveys that PK was still making a personal sacrifice for the good of his people

He wasn't sacrificing any random bugs, no, they were his own kids

[coarse leaf]

he didn't exactly know any of them though, the only connection was genetics

[balmy pasture]

he didnt tho because he only delayed the fall of hallownest

[stark estuary]

Did he know that tho

He thought it was a permanent solution

[radiant wraith]

Preservation is not something foreign to us, nobody wants to die.

[stark estuary]

Finding out he had done it for nothing is what ultimately killed the dude

[balmy pasture]

he has the power of foresight so he saw it

[radiant wraith]

You could say right now you are only delaying your death

[stark estuary]

Evidently not

He had foresight. That doesn't mean he was omniscient.

He did not have perfect, infinitely ranged foresight.

[balmy pasture]

he literally hid himself from everyone in his palace after everything went to shit

[potent plover]

I mean I really don't care what people talk about in ss-discussion, me and some others talked for like 30 minutes straight about Kuro and Shriek from ori 1 and 2

[stark estuary]

And then fucking died out of grief

[balmy pasture]

i have to go now but he does suck because yes bye

[balmy pasture]

naaah definitely void right haha

[stark estuary]

True, true, I agree with your statement.

[balmy pasture]

ok bye i have to go i win you are nitpicking and biased bye bye

[livid cave]

It will come in

[potent plover]

Kirb's profile picture looks like a royal retainer, No wonder Kirb is defending PK ( I'm joking )

[livid cave]

Silk song release date is:

[normal token]

@livid cave is that a fumo

[livid cave]

||in 30392726872 years||

[stark estuary]

That's Magolor

[livid cave]

Yes

[normal token]

Magalor

[stark estuary]

Magalor Surge

[potent plover]

Obviously a tomato royal retainer

[pallid flare]

what even are fumos

[normal token]

It's funny how they didn't fix it even after 3 years

[stark estuary]

Yeah lmao

[pallid flare]

(real?)

[haughty ingot]

thank you dom

don't worry, they won't come to your house at night
EDIT: probably

don't worry about the fact that those 2 characters are canonically ghosts

[carmine sapphire]

YOOO

[olive bobcat]

This is why you're the DSSN Silksong news man

[opaque sigil]

"Daily silksong news silksong news man"

[olive bobcat]

Yes, that is what I said

[potent plover]

wait he is the DSSN man?

[pallid flare]

yes

[uncut citrus]

@gloomy jacinth can i share your silksong demo demake on another HK server?

ill say you made it of course

[gloomy jacinth]

Yes, of course!

[uncut citrus]

Ok thanks!

[true kelp]

Silksong

[potent plover]

strange, If you die after defeating moss mother the game crashes

[true kelp]

Wait what

[potent plover]

For me at least

[true kelp]

I’m not caught up is there are demo?? Or what

[potent plover]

Pixel art demo recreation

made by Fg_

[true kelp]

Oh cool

[potent plover]

Closest thing to silksong I've played for now

You should play it

[lament lotus]

how many times do you touch water per year

[haughty ingot]

water touches me

[potent plover]

you mean that thing from the city of tears?

[slow heart]

What’s that weird purple Hollow Knight server?

[haughty ingot]

oh just some test server i am an admin of and fucking around with

[slow heart]

Good!

I know if I was in that server I would leave it!

[shell yacht]

weeb

[haughty ingot]

shut it, waterboy

[potent plover]

Do you guys think binding in the air could replenish you dash/double jump or something like that?

[ocean mulch]

Nah

[opaque sigil]

I doubt it

[haughty ingot]

Yea I don't think so

[slow heart]

Yeah.

[potent plover]

speaking of sequence breaking, Apparently tools can be used to sequence break?

[slow heart]

Probably.

[potent plover]

like the sting shard you can place and pogo off of

[opaque sigil]

imo "sequence breaking" is kind of a misnomer in the first place since the intended "sequence" will likely be pretty loose overall

[slow heart]

Sequence breaking, at least sequence breaking that requires an already gained knowledge of, for Metroidvanias, is an inherently good thing!

[potent plover]

But you understand what I am saying right?

[opaque sigil]

Yes, it will probably be possible to get around with tools

[potent plover]

I think it was confirmed too in the edge magazine, Hang on

[sinful flare]

curious if corpse silk things skips will be a thing like shade skip

[slow heart]

Possibly, but it’ll be much more situational.

[opaque sigil]

And more likely to be intentional

Since presumably cocoon locations will be predetermined

If they aren't it'd be easy to get it stuck in hard to reach places

[potent plover]

hornet's "Dash" also seems pretty different to the knight's

[opaque sigil]

Aside from the sprint it seems about the same

[potent plover]

I'm pretty sure it's more "curvy" I think?

[opaque sigil]

That seems to just be the animation

[potent plover]

Hm

[opaque sigil]

(the air dash and ground dash have different ones, unlike in HK)

[slow heart]

No they’re different in that Hornet’s dash doesn’t really stop her.

[opaque sigil]

[potent plover]

I wonder when hornet unlocks her sprint?

[opaque sigil]

At the same time as the dash, possibly

[potent plover]

What makes you say that?

[opaque sigil]

Same button, has both in demo

[sacred stratus]

considering that she has it in Deep docks and that's the 3rd area of the game I believe it's pretty early on

[potent plover]

Huh, Never knew that

I also assume the wall climb will be pretty early on

[opaque sigil]

Since there's the ledge climb I could see it being a bit later

Things like mantis claw and monarch wings made a much bigger difference in HK because you didn't have that wiggle room

[potent plover]

Where do you guys think the wall climb will be unlocked?

[opaque sigil]

No clue

[sacred stratus]

I want to see it getting unlocked mid game so the early game abilities and navigation can be a little unorthodox

kinda tired of seeing every metroidvenia giving players dash and wall climb super early on

[potent plover]

It does seem like silksong is compacting all its abilities pretty close together, apparently there was a pacing problem in hollow knight.

[sacred stratus]

we don't know really since we don't know how big the game is

[opaque sigil]

Ledge grab goes a long way to fixing it

Between ledge grab and pogo early game has more going on

[sacred stratus]

I want to see the grappling used more than wall climb

that's a very unique move

[potent plover]

I'm just saying you already get a huge variety of attacks even in the 3rd area

[opaque sigil]

Unfortunately grapple doesn't really do anything other tools and abilities probably couldn't

[uncut citrus]

oh cmon... i was at moss mother, i literally healed so close after i took the damage it crashed

[stark estuary]

Skill issue

[sacred stratus]

well kinda but that's normal for games of this kind

[opaque sigil]

Third area Hornet has dash, straight pin, silk lance. Those are the only new abilities. (unless dash and sprint are distinct)

[potent plover]

That happened to me too when I beat moss mother and then died to an enemy

[opaque sigil]

And straight pin imo could come during DD, not in the beginning

[sacred stratus]

seems like the program couldn't find the index for the animation

[sinful flare]

omg when did team cherry decide to use gamemaker studio 2 for silksong

i thought they used unity

[sacred stratus]

they're probably the same since they use the same button

[sacred stratus]

nah they use Unreal 5 for that juicy ray tracing

[potent plover]

There is also the straight lunge forwards

[sacred stratus]

it's not a unique ability it's simply tapping the sprint button instead of holding it

[potent plover]

its an attack

[opaque sigil]

It's part of the sprint ability

[sacred stratus]

yes it's like a dash attack

[opaque sigil]

Attack while sprinting to do it

[sacred stratus]

yea

[sinful flare]

it's in the game

[potent plover]

I just can't wait to play silksong

[sinful flare]

(dude (same)

[potent plover]

playing fg_'s demo recreation just made me even more exited

[opaque sigil]

It was nice to get a feel for a pogo like Hornet's.

[sacred stratus]

my current programming:
while (! SS.out()) {
watch (SS.trailer);
}

[potent plover]

I'm gonna miss the knight's pogo

[sacred stratus]

I like the new pogo, takes more skill

[opaque sigil]

And is more interesting to use

[potent plover]

You are both correct, But I'm gonna miss it regardless

I'm probably not gonna use a lot of hornet's attacks

[opaque sigil]

Well there are a lot of them

Especially if you include tools

[stark estuary]

Let's wait for the game to come out first, there's bound to be a good few you like

And pogoing is probably going to be mandatory

[opaque sigil]

And a few you don't

[potent plover]

I'll probably only use the downwards slash when I need to

[stark estuary]

Well, you can't have everything

[potent plover]

I'm not the best gamer

[opaque sigil]

That's probably not going to be optimal but if you don't want to use it more than necessary you don't have to

I doubt learning pogo will be that bad

[stark estuary]

fg_'s demo gave a pretty good impression of how it would work, but I imagine it'll be easier to use in the actual game (and with practice)

[potent plover]

It also seems easy to fall down a platform and end up way further down than you can handle

[stark estuary]

Just don't fall. Skill issue.

[uncut citrus]

what no i already passed moss mother on the actual silksong for long, this is a demake

[potent plover]

Ok, I will just not die, Thanks for the tip!

[stark estuary]

No problem. Any time!

[burnt topaz]

its foolproof

[potent plover]

Anyways, It seems no more pogoing dangerous hazards I think

Or at least I'm pretty sure

[stark estuary]

That'd probably be pretty difficult with a diagonal pogo yeah

[radiant wraith]

The Pale King sucks because uhh

No democracy

Well, no formalized democracy at least

[gloomy jacinth]

I'm actually fixing bugs and stuff now, should I add the ability to pogo off spikes?

[uncut citrus]

i mean probably not alot of ppls knew more than PK, usally democracy is good because we dont have a higher human with forefight and soul manipulation and stuff that would be a good ruler

[stark estuary]

Say that again

[nimble radish]

divine right of kings

[gloomy jacinth]

I didn't play the E3 demo, so I don't know exactly how it plays

[nimble radish]

you are simply too weak to accept it

[stark estuary]

I won't accept something that isn't true

[uncut citrus]

i think it would be nice, also with the problem of like getting stuck on spikes

you can still jump out but its still wierd to walk into spikes

[radiant wraith]

The Pale King sucks because uhh
No democracy
Well, no formalized democracy at least

[stark estuary]

He had the divine right to rule

Dieu et mon droit

Although in this case he himself was "God"

[sweet lotus]

Hello fellow Silksong anticipators!

[stark estuary]

[sacred stratus]

hi

[silver oak]

Beep beep
It's the hype forklift

Here to give you another load of TGA hype

[potent plover]

noo

[silver oak]

Yes

[pallid flare]

I honestly don't even believe in TGA

I just want to pretend

[silver oak]

Yeah same
It just sounds fun

Don't tell TTacco tho

[pallid flare]

yeah don't tell him

he's quite invested in this I don't want to ruin it for him

[silver oak]

It's quite fun to see someone who believes so much in a position of power

Sometimes I wonder if no one actually believes and we're all just playing ourselves

[pallid flare]

that would be quite funny ngl

[silver oak]

of TGA Cult Members: 0

[lone lichen]

i'm not going into tga expecting anything but a mid-late december release would be extremely convenient for me

[silver oak]

Can Silksong release the day I go on winter break

[lone lichen]

basically this

[silver oak]

That would be nice Team Cherry thank you

[cosmic widget]

Given my luck over the years it's probably gonna come out the day I have a huge test XD

[lone lichen]

a few weeks to play the game in between drowning in programming courses

[pallid flare]

yea that'd be epic thank you

[native ivy]

Can silksong release (at all)

[silver oak]

@ Team Cherry

[hollow sedge]

less then 3 weeks till the game awards

[serene chasm]

Cant wait to see SS there

[random fox]

Yep for sure we get it this time right, right?

[native ivy]

Hollow knight silksong fans when some random video game event doesn't have news and there was no reason to expect any: :

Uhhh what

[hollow sedge]

no nothing is confirmed, its just copium because nothing has happened this year silksong wise

[native ivy]

Why emojis not working

[silver oak]

I can see them

[native ivy]

Hmm

[coarse leaf]

I mean, we got the Edge thingy

[silver oak]

what do you see

[random fox]

It was sarcasm

[brazen needle]

Silksong news?

[silver oak]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[brazen needle]

Oh thanks

[silver oak]

np

[pallid flare]

dyno is always looking out for us

[marsh ibex]

I mean this time it’s just people hoping and not complaining this time

So

[coarse leaf]

🙏

[opaque sigil]

Plenty of time for that to come later

[stark estuary]

Hoping? Try coping instead.

[opaque sigil]

But it isn't the regulars who whine anyways

Well it usually isn't

[stark estuary]

Yeah, the regulars whine about the people whining.

[trim estuary]

[stark estuary]

Of course, that doesn't apply to me because I'm just here to share my monumental theories.

At Tammo's expense

[opaque sigil]

[dusty nimbus]

We killing Tammo?

I don't condone

[opaque sigil]

Only figuratively

[dusty nimbus]

But still I'll watch, go right ahead

[opaque sigil]

Anyways silksong

uuuh how many crests do y'all think there'll be? We've seen a few and it sounds like they're distinctive enough that the game could potentially support a fair number

Although crests could then have the same issue red tools have if they don't damage scale, where some crests and their unique effects become obsolete on the basis of tool slot counts

[stark estuary]

Maybe like 25

HK had 45 charms, accounting for SS probably being a larger game as well as tools existing I think that's a reasonable number.

[dusty nimbus]

Cthulhu crest is best crest

[stark estuary]

How many do you think we'll get?

[dusty nimbus]

I think crests could be that thing that gets outdated and you'll have a few endgame crests you'll use once you're done with the game because the old ones aren't as benefitial

[stark estuary]

I mean they might scale to endgame

[opaque sigil]

25 crests sound like a lot

[dusty nimbus]

That's like too much

[stark estuary]

Maybe

[dusty nimbus]

It's crests we're talking about not tools

[opaque sigil]

I imagine SS will have more tools than HK did charms, though

[stark estuary]

It probably depends on how many tools there will be.

I think SS will have more than 45 tools

So I think we'll get around 20 crests, maybe way less, just stabbing in the dark

[dusty nimbus]

Or it could have less, more isn't always better

[opaque sigil]

Thing about crests is you can't really mix and match them the way you could with tools (or crests) so having a ton of them wouldn't do quite so much

[stark estuary]

If they don't scale to endgame, having a lot would make sense

Since only a handful would be viable later on

[opaque sigil]

Perhaps but 20 still seems like a lot

I was more thinking like 5-10

[dusty nimbus]

Having less also makes it way easier to balance each tool and even scrap some at the development stage

It also allows to hone the usage of each tool in the system

[stark estuary]

I'd be fine with 5 if they were all viable end game

I answered on the basis that they wouldn't damage scale

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, I think for crests having perpetual viability would work fine, for red tools not damage scaling and having things like straight pin fall off would be... more questionable but not necessarily bad

Having red tools fall off would incentivize players to experiment with new ones

Which is good

[stark estuary]

Yeah, rotating arsenal. Keeps things fresh.

[opaque sigil]

And so long as there are enough red tools that you have some option for each playstyle at each stage of the game you aren't really losing anything

Like maybe if you want a simple projectile you have to swap from straight pin to javelin at some point. Sure the use case changes slightly, that adds an interesting twist, but you still have a projectile attack option

[stark estuary]

More customization is always great. I just really hope it won't be balanced like HK charms were

[opaque sigil]

Hopefully they've sunk a good amount of dev time and effort into getting the tools right

Frankly charms' being a disaster balance-wise is unsurprising since they were a last minute thing

[dusty nimbus]

What if they are like the lifeblood syringe?

Limited usage and not passive

[opaque sigil]

Those are red tools

Crests seem to have miscellaneous effects. They supposedly modify healing and attacks, but Edge also referenced a crest that increased shell shard gain

[dusty nimbus]

Maybe instead of increasing the number of tools you use only they provide more usage to certain tools

[stark estuary]

somehow

[opaque sigil]

Well that doesn't make sense for blue and yellow tools, and in Edge we see Hornet with multiple red tools equipped

[dusty nimbus]

True perhaps the crests help you farm upgrades for tools?

[nimble radish]

game would have been fine without the charmms

[stark estuary]

Charmms

[nimble radish]

could have just left em out no one would notice

[dusty nimbus]

Damn why did I get hype again

[opaque sigil]

I hope there isn't farming for things like that

[nimble radish]

yes, like grimmchild

[stark estuary]

Ohrmm

[opaque sigil]

[nimble radish]

Ohrm.. Ohrm Ohrmm

[dusty nimbus]

Quests with special items make me too hype

[stark estuary]

Ohr...Ohr...Ohrmm*

[opaque sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/807258305344176128.png?size=128

[dusty nimbus]

Why did you become ohm meters?

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, and tools may act as quest rewards in some instances

[dusty nimbus]

Too hype

[stark estuary]

Wat wait wait

[opaque sigil]

Waiting

[dusty nimbus]

I wanna see how they tackle consumables and the currency system in the lategame

[opaque sigil]

The way shell shards work seems like it should work fine all game, unless tools really ramp up in cost to repair

[dusty nimbus]

I'm more concerned about the foods

[opaque sigil]

Foods?

[dusty nimbus]

Don't the fleas give you consumables?

Foods

[opaque sigil]

I doubt it

[dusty nimbus]

[opaque sigil]

At least not consumables other than red tools

[stark estuary]

Grimm, Brumm. Both are related to Nightmare Essence. Lemm, he researches ancient artefacts. Bardoon says "Ohrmm", and he knows a lot about Wyrms. Now, if you're anything like me, then this should make your brain go , because there's one character who has relations to AC, Nightmare Essence, AND is a Wyrm. And what if I told you that character's name happens to be Blackwyrmm.

[dusty nimbus]

Blackwyrm has access to the air conditioning?

But he's dead how am I going to get the remote

[stark estuary]

Who told you Blackwyrm was dead?

[opaque sigil]

I have yet to read that block of text, on a scale of 1-10 how much will it hurt my soul

[dusty nimbus]

My headcannon

[stark estuary]

No, no, Blackwyrm is eternal.

[opaque sigil]

Fine I'll read it

[dusty nimbus]

Sorry but beans are eternal just go look at #hk-meme it still hasn't died

[opaque sigil]

I regret my decision

[stark estuary]

Too late

Your eyes have been opened to the truth, and now they can't be un-opened.

[opaque sigil]

They can be if I follow a certain dream warrior's example

[stark estuary]

That's because all of the memes posted in #hk-meme are shit, so it makes sense for DD to enjoy living there.

[dusty nimbus]

They aren't from the start shit, they get overused and just like an apple left out for too long it starts to rot

[stark estuary]

Holy shit, you're right (pun intended)

[dusty nimbus]

Any shitty meme will outlive all of us

Look at the memes at the start of the internet they're still used to some extent

[stark estuary]

Nah I'm sorry me when beans was never funny and to this day I still don't understand what it means

[dusty nimbus]

It's a British thing

I think at least

[nimble radish]

"british people are shit"

[dusty nimbus]

You are what you eat for breakfast mate ngl

That's why I'm nothing

[nimble radish]

I eat chaos for breakfast

[serene chasm]

Im so hyped for quests

[dusty nimbus]

[opaque sigil]

Me too, but I do hope they aren't too gamey

[dusty nimbus]

But you're Lori

[dusty nimbus]

Oh no 😳

[serene chasm]

TC are old school game devs. I doubt they will make them like modern bethesda quests

[stark estuary]

I eat Blackwyrm theories for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and second breakfast, and elevensies, and afternoon tea, and supper.

[nimble radish]

say that again, but in the correct order

[stark estuary]

Fine

Breakfast, Second Breakfast, Elevenses, Luncheon, Afternoon Tea, Dinner, Supper.

[opaque sigil]

the hell is elevenses

[dusty nimbus]

You mean an edgy teenager?

[nimble radish]

elevensies is food eaten at 11

[opaque sigil]

That's lunchtime

[nimble radish]

lunchtime is after

[opaque sigil]

Lunch is like 11-1

[nimble radish]

yeah, lunch at 1 elevensies at 11

[stark estuary]

And elevenses is strictly at 11

[nimble radish]

elevenses isn't generally a full meal but you can if you're a hobbit

[crisp thistle]

You think they cancelled silksong and now are too afraid to say anything?

[stark estuary]

Yeah

[nimble radish]

of course

[dusty nimbus]

What happens when 11:00:00 passes and it goes to 11:00:01?

[opaque sigil]

No longer counts ig