sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

But like also the vast majority of marine life

Well actually maybe not the majority but I assume it is

[cunning geode]

yeah prolly the majority

though there are lots of marine arthropods, which have legs

[opaque sigil]

Mantis shrimps

Mantis/pistol shrimp hybrid boss for SS

It would be perfect

Glorious

[trim estuary]

Don’t they turn water into plasma using their bare claws

[opaque sigil]

Well they turn it into a boiling ball of nonsense that's as hot as the surface of the sun

[trim estuary]

Hornet get hits by it and get sent into the stratosphere

Also vaporized

[opaque sigil]

iirc it'll flash-cook small fish

And their colonies are loud enough to mask submarines

[winter cypress]

they would fit very well into the coral forest, very colourful

[opaque sigil]

Mantis shrimp basically follow anime logic, they strike fast enough that they generate cavitation bubbles that collapse and hit a target again

[cerulean sable]

what if the mantis shrimps

had rocket canisters on their backc

and they can call in rocket barrages

would be better i think

[trim estuary]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

A boss with melee attacks that create small explosions after the strike and ranged attacks that shoot bubbles would just be awesome

The melee could work like Lace's attacks, where if the initial strike lands Hornet's stuck until the explosion hits her

And it could use its claws to fire a barrage of shockwaves at Hornet

[winter cypress]

maybe they could make bubbles with some sort of pulling effect

and that locks hornet in place to be attacked

[opaque sigil]

I'm going to be sad when there isn't a boss like this

[trim estuary]

Yeah

It’s actually going to be a mantis shrimp with rocket launchers

[opaque sigil]

guess we’ll just hold out hope that TC either thought of the idea or saw it here and ran with it

Or at least I will

[trim estuary]

And if they didn’t we’ll just mod it in after silksong releases at TGA

[opaque sigil]

[winter cypress]

can someone explain the game awards shit to me

like i see no reason why they would do that

[trim estuary]

one second

[winter cypress]

is it purely silkcope

[trim estuary]

#sk-discussion message
No we have lots of proof

[winter cypress]

ok thats actually semi-reasonable

[trim estuary]

I also have indisputable evidence

#sk-discussion message

[marsh ibex]

TTacco

if there’s no news at game awards I expect a picture of a pie at game awards

@cerulean sable

[trim estuary]

Onion pie?

[wooden sorrel]

Where game

[trim estuary]

Soon maybe

[wooden sorrel]

Me want game

[winter cypress]

genius

[trim estuary]

it is in the name

[cerulean sable]

ill move the goal post o dece anyway

[marsh ibex]

nope

Not allowed

[wispy burrow]

But can I move the goal post?

[trim estuary]

Once Ss comes out I can finally return to zip

[modest night]

when's game awards again?

[brittle garnet]

9th december

[trim estuary]

[modest night]

ok ttacco give me 10k euros if there is no news at game awards

[cunning geode]

ok ttacco,
play despacito

[trim estuary]

TTacco is going to become broke after TGA isn’t he

[fiery sparrow]

hey everyone!

[modest night]

hello

[trim estuary]

Hello again

[sacred stratus]

hello

[trim estuary]

Wanna talk about tools?

[uncut citrus]

Tools

[trim estuary]

Tools…

[radiant wraith]

Do you like Tool?

[trim estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/882109831257939979/image0.jpg

[silver oak]

Taking up the mantle I see

[trim estuary]

Someone had to do it until he returns on December 21st when silksong releases

[silver oak]

The second coming

Did they say they would be back once ss releases or are they gone forever

[uncut citrus]

#sk-discussion message

The sequel

[trim estuary]

No idea

[cunning geode]

they just said goodbye

with a lot of dramatic flair

but that was it

[trim estuary]

I think it was because he said he’d be window for a day if he was wrong about news

He’s still active somewhere because I’ll look at my DMs and his profile picture will be different some days

Also does anyone know Spedster#1250? I still owe him a ziploc bag.

[winter cypress]

it could give you a hiveblood heart

thats what i think at least, although i have no idea how tf she would get hiveblood

[uncut citrus]

No?

There the seringue that already does

[trim estuary]

That’s lifeblood

[uncut citrus]

Oh I thought you said lifeblood

[winter cypress]

it looks like honey and thats all my proof

[uncut citrus]

Welp that would mean bees in SS

Also how would a hiveblood mask even work?

[winter cypress]

it makes a heart thats kinda like a lifeblood but if you get hit it can regenerate, providing you dont get hit again

[uncut citrus]

Then it would be a passive that you refill at a bench, interesting

[trim estuary]

Do wasps make honey
They don’t right

[digital junco]

no

[winter cypress]

most dont

[trim estuary]

Ok get that one species of wasp that does and put it in silksong

[uncut citrus]

Would be interesting if it changed two of your mask for hiveblood, so if you get hit once or even twice you still regenerate both of your hiveblood, but if lose 3hp before healing, both hiveblood won’t regenerate, making it pretty strong as long you don’t lose 3nask at once

That’ll make a very good tool for normal exploring

[trim estuary]

What if instead you can’t bind that health back and have to wait for the 2 hiveblood masks to regenerate?

[uncut citrus]

Then that’ll be a pretty good nerf, so maybe it’ll heal up to 3 masks making it really good as long your fighting little enemies and for healing you 4 masks it may be a late game tool

[vivid belfry]

I think the design makes it look more likely to be a throwable chemical weapon

I imagine it'll basically be holt water from castlevania

Throw it at a downward 45 degree angle and it creates a cloud or patch of fire that does rapid DOT

[trim estuary]

But it’s got the strap like thing that holds the lid

[vivid belfry]

It isn't actually attached to the lid

[trim estuary]

Why are you Bluetooth

Proof?

[vivid belfry]

You can see a deformation in the glass on both the top and bottom bulbs where the handle attaches

Coffee mug lookin ass

[winter cypress]

maybe its like a slime ball

what colour was it under

[hollow smelt]

there is still chance for ss at tga

dont lose hope people

[trim estuary]

Very high chance

99.99998652046193% chance

[fluid dew]

very specific

[trim estuary]

Alright guys, if silksong is not at TGA I’ll change my pfp to me when beans until silksong comes out

[floral kindle]

how very daring

[surreal owl]

What's TGA?

[digital junco]

the game awards

aka the 903839th gaming event this channel has been obsessed with

[trim estuary]

Correct

But we have evidence this time

[winter cypress]

its a lot more likely than a random indie direct

[rich fractal]

And that is?

[pallid flare]

no

[dusty nimbus]

It's the power of trolling

Hey Pyro

[warm bone]

Honestly if tc wanted to show anything, tga would be very happy to show it

I remember Geoff saying “we’ve been asking those guys for a while” when asked about silksong news last tga

Still doubt it but eh

[winter cypress]

and if the gforce leak is right it would be a good time to say so

[pastel silo]

Even tho this was all hypothetical , its a fun read if u want to get that extra dose of hopium for the upcoming event

[brave stone]

Well you see along side that Leth has said he would like to work with Geoff more if he could

[brave stone]

So MAYBE JUST MAYBE we will see TC do something at this year's VGAs?

[normal token]

Elden Ring hops in

[runic fern]

When did the devs say that SS would come out soon

[brave stone]

that's the thing ONLY the Nintendo ladies presentation at the E3 2019 tree house said coming soon

[normal token]

Because that went well

[brave stone]

That was Never TC's position

it was always TBA

[winter cypress]

WHAT

why does he look like a vessel

[brave stone]

re used asset

[runic fern]

Say that he is made of void and u get Melk slap

[stark estuary]

We already knew SS had Vessels. Hornet lol.

[runic fern]

[brave stone]

Nintendo went rouge with the whole coming soon thing

[vernal locust]

i think this sums up this channel pretty well

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-gif-17401381

[trim estuary]

#sk-discussion message

#sk-discussion message

[runic fern]

I never really got the point of this channel, we discuss a game based on like 2 videos and a few announcements that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CONFIRMED RELEASE DATE

[pallid flare]

that logo is so good

can I join that

[trim estuary]

Tools??

[pallid flare]

we got loads of info

[trim estuary]

Yeah ask TTacco

[runic fern]

I'm not saying we got little info, it's probably just like a Miniscule bit of the game

[vernal locust]

do ya think that matters

[trim estuary]

But it’s not To be determined thus it’s coming soon!!

[pallid flare]

does anything matter

[runic fern]

Oh yeah

[vernal locust]

silksong is silksong, a treasure that we are destined never to have and yet we never stop waiting

[runic fern]

lmao

[vernal locust]

praising the creators for making a masterpiece of a game

[pallid flare]

haha silknever

[trim estuary]

HAHHAAHHA A MINISCULE BIT OF THE GAME

[trim estuary]

Yeah everything ends up the same anyway
Cold and dead

[pallid flare]

we're all gonna die so what's the point of complaining

[runic fern]

might as well die now

[trim estuary]

Wait no that’s not-

[gusty spoke]

i dont usually comeback here for waiting reason but now this caught my attention

is there a new rumor about ss?

[trim estuary]

TGA

[glossy gazelle]

And thus Silksong never got a public showing of the demo ever again

[trim estuary]

Pax Aus had the demo though?

[gusty spoke]

like hoping ss dropped there from nowhere or we have clues?

[trim estuary]

Click these two non suspicious links and find out!

[dusty nimbus]

Why though?

[trim estuary]

Click these two non suspicious links and find out!

Also if Geoff posts a milk jug emoji or something ping me

[runic fern]

I have been revived

[dusty nimbus]

You certainly don't seem like a hacked person

[trim estuary]

Milksong

[runic fern]

cuz Melk power is eternal

melksong

[gusty spoke]

oh thanks, nice to know about that posibility

[trim estuary]

now join the cult

[dusty nimbus]

But it's not 100% like the souls of the innocent

[runic fern]

Exactly, it's 101% like the souls of the innocent

100% too little, has to be 101%

[gusty spoke]

103 % and your milk become cheese

[runic fern]

oh shit

[trim estuary]

No it’s 99%

[dusty nimbus]

Then why you named 99%

[runic fern]

lol

[trim estuary]

Terraria X DST tomorrow!!

[runic fern]

Idk what ur talking about

It's clearly 101%

[trim estuary]

They’re probably gonna change the mana Star cost again

[brittle garnet]

What is Melk?

[runic fern]

Dutch for milk

[dusty nimbus]

I have picture proof you now can never escape

[daring basin]

I haven’t played terraria since journey end

[runic fern]

And rename it Melkaria

[dusty nimbus]

Ah, you mean the previous final update?

[trim estuary]

I wish Italy was real, breadsticks are so good

[daring basin]

The one where they add the Princess npc

[dusty nimbus]

Oh it's an even earlier final update the one you played

[runic fern]

melksticks better, don't ask me how that works, Melk powers defy physics

[trim estuary]

No princess was added in the final final previous update

[daring basin]

Lol how many final updates are there I thought this was supposed to be Journeys End

[dusty nimbus]

Tell me who are your gods?

[gilded adder]

Melksong?

[dusty nimbus]

Milmsong

[runic fern]

The Holy Cow Of Melk

She has produced every drop of Melk on this planet

[runic fern]

Yes, I have converted everyone here into Melk worshippers

[dusty nimbus]

I don't mean from actual beliefs in the world cause those are cringe, they take things too far

[dusty nimbus]

That's what I was expecting

[warm bone]

Imagine believing in things 🤮

[runic fern]

In the world? That is an insult, Melk is out of this world!

[warm bone]

I don’t believe in chairs

[dusty nimbus]

Do you believe in bed framework?

[runic fern]

what.

[gilded adder]

Do you believe?

[dusty nimbus]

No

[gilded adder]

[runic fern]

no, I only believe in Melk

[runic fern]

Do you believe in chairs?

[dusty nimbus]

I believe in the inevitable end of all things

[gilded adder]

Yes

[runic fern]

how about Melk

[gilded adder]

Of course

[runic fern]

Then let me teach you something

The knight isn't of void, it's of Melk

[brittle garnet]

I just wanna talk about Silksong, why must this channel always disappoint

[runic fern]

[runic fern]

Melk shall not disappoint

[dusty nimbus]

Bring up the topic then

[gilded adder]

Ok, let's talk about tools then

[brittle garnet]

I wonder how much lategame tools will differ from early tools, or will they stay at around the same power level.

[runic fern]

I think they will change a lot

[dusty nimbus]

Melk can't replace silksong, you know it since if it could replace it you wouldn't be here

[runic fern]

Lol

[dusty nimbus]

No idea

[gilded adder]

I think they will be more complicated considering you can upgrade individual tools, find more complex tools and learn the hidden interactions and mechanics of each tool as described in the Edge magazine.

[runic fern]

it's either there will be tools that act as upgrades to tools, such as ability upgrades in hk, or completely different tools that put the other one to proper shame

[brittle garnet]

To be fair I don't think every tool will have an upgrade, probably not even most of them.

[dusty nimbus]

You'd also have more options to choose from at lategame

[runic fern]

yeah, I think so too, probably the latter

[brittle garnet]

I think that maybe the earliest tools will have upgrades so they can catch up to the more powerful later game tools.

[warm bone]

https://youtu.be/fXW-QjBsruE

[hollow smelt]

the day chairs exist silksong will too

[brittle garnet]

Are you derailing the conversation? Perish, begone.

[gilded adder]

Vsauce stands for Voidsauce

[runic fern]

:0

[warm bone]

#sk-discussion message

‘‘Twas a response

[runic fern]

Ima make a channel called Msauce which stands for Melksauce and discuss Melk

[brittle garnet]

Anyway, I'm also wondering if tools will be upgraded alongside your Needle, or if the Needle will be upgraded at all.

[runic fern]

Needle has to be upgraded

Imagine still 2-3 hitting early game enemies

[pallid flare]

this is such a good question

[hushed wasp]

of course

[hollow smelt]

even though its a sequel they can say "it got damaged during the fall and has to be repaired" boom you got your nail story but yeah it 100% will need to be upgraded

[hushed wasp]

we dont know if its a sequel or prequel

[hollow smelt]

its a sequel

[opaque sigil]

Not doing damage scaling is an option but it would kind of detract from the feeling of empowerment when revisiting areas later in the game

[hollow smelt]

anyone who thinks otherwise i deem to be wrong

[runic fern]

Story-wise I think it will be pre-hollow knight events and continue throughout hollow knight events

[brittle garnet]

I want Silksong to avoid the HK situation where the pure nail reigned Supreme and made spells obsolete

[runic fern]

Imagine if you play as hornet sentinel

[hushed wasp]

you dont know that yet.

[gilded adder]

This is a big concept in Metroidvanias too.

[opaque sigil]

Damage scaling tools with the needle could be fine, but it might not motivate the player to try new ones. On the other hand, not damage scaling them (or otherwise improving them) could lead to obsolescence, which might be fine if there are enough tools that there's some viable option for every playstyle at every stage

[hushed wasp]

No nail upgrade would be like no spell upgrades in hk

[opaque sigil]

Not really

[gilded adder]

No needle upgrade would be like no nail upgrade

[opaque sigil]

The idea is that all enemies would be built with the expectation of the player having a static damage, this would not be like playing HK without upgrading the nail

It's not quite that problematic

[runic fern]

I also wonder how the controls will work, as a brawlhalla player, silksong on the switch will be a breeze, but with such a variety of things, hollow knight pc players are gonna lose their mf fingers

[brittle garnet]

It's 1 extra button

[hollow smelt]

gimme reasons why it would be a prequel

[gilded adder]

This is why I use a controller

[opaque sigil]

Rebinding's an option for PC

[hollow smelt]

because most evidence leads to it being a sequel

[runic fern]

Ah right

[hollow smelt]

brawlhalla? what legends u play?

[runic fern]

Bow main, but now we drifting away from silksong

[hushed wasp]

im not saying its a prequel, just that you dont know if its a prequel or sequel yet.

[gilded adder]

Off-topic chat is fine in #sk-discussion here and there but just let ss discussion happen when it does and don't detract from it too much.

[opaque sigil]

Implied to be a chronological sequel, no reason to believe it's a prequel.

[runic fern]

Melk discussion Flashbacks

[opaque sigil]

Also prequel wouldn't fit in the timeline

[hollow smelt]

ah yeah i play lance

[hollow smelt]

true

[runic fern]

Isn't one of the descriptions of the game about hallownest before hk events?

[brittle garnet]

No.

[stark estuary]

Midquel

[runic fern]

Or is my shit memory failing me again

[runic fern]

[brittle garnet]

It's failing you

[runic fern]

ow

[brittle garnet]

Prequel has no evidence, Sequel makes more sense logically, but neither has proof.

No.

[wanton crest]

ok hear me out
what if Silksong is a prequel AND a sequel

[cunning geode]

Leave

[opaque sigil]

Without their having returned the cultists would have no knowledge of Hornet and no ability to seek her out

[brittle garnet]

Pointless. Foolish. Cease this. It will bring you nowhere.

[runic fern]

Basically, the game will probably not be connected to hk storyline, it's either right before the start of it (in which case the game would be very short because hornet was born right before the radiance being sealed, therefore it's unlikely) or its right after the events which would be slightly less interesting but would make a better long game

[pallid flare]

intersequel

[daring basin]

What is a Silksong

[opaque sigil]

It definitely isn't a narrative sequel or prequel

[stark estuary]

Ok but why did you feel the need distinguish between "proof" and "evidence" that's just semantics.

[brittle garnet]

I don't think prequel would be more interesting, at all.

[opaque sigil]

The question is chronology, not narrative connectedness

[carmine sapphire]

Video games

[brittle garnet]

Evidence points towards something being true. Proof indisputably proves it. In this context, at least.

[daring basin]

Ah yes

[runic fern]

Sequels/prequels to a game are not really interesting, best example is Halo

[opaque sigil]

Sequel has strong circumstantial evidence

At this time there's really no reason for prequelism as a stance to exist

Sequel is more correct, even if not decisively proven

[runic fern]

I think devs realized they made a mistake coming up with this game idea and announcing it so now they patching up holes to make sure we don't question shit

[brittle garnet]

But as was stated, narrarively Silksong definitely won't be situated precisely in the HK timeline.

It will most likely be ambiguous

[opaque sigil]

Probably not

[stark estuary]

I know. But in this case the difference isn't made very clear and makes the sentence feel more confusing. The distinction isn't really necessary, but If you really wanted to make it you could say: "Sequel makes more logical sense and is supported by circumstantial evidence but neither sequel nor prequel are definitively proven". Sorry if I'm being overly pedantic.

[brittle garnet]

You are

[runic fern]

Basically HK lore is confusing, thus Silksong is confusing

[brittle garnet]

But it's fine.

[carmine sapphire]

Could also be an AU?

[fiery coral]

"We don't know" works well enough

[runic fern]

Wat dat

[opaque sigil]

No

[carmine sapphire]

Alternate universe/timeline

[runic fern]

get out of here

[carmine sapphire]

[opaque sigil]

Hornet references her tools in Hallownest and is said to have lost her traditional strength

[runic fern]

[stark estuary]

It's an AU created by Blackwyrm

[carmine sapphire]

Well yeah but idk

[brittle garnet]

Yeah but traditional strength refers to what we know of her, not necessarily to how she was in a specific time, and the usual tools remark is prequel/sequel agnostic.

[stark estuary]

We know a bit

[runic fern]

Hornet:
0% Void
0% Warrior
0% Whatever
100% Waifu

:|

[opaque sigil]

That was about the AU thing

[brittle garnet]

Right.

[runic fern]

I think traditional strength is reffering to the fact that hallownest fell and somehow she lost a lot of her strength too

[opaque sigil]

The reason it can't be a prequel is that the weavers didn't leave Hallownest until recently prior to the events of HK

[stark estuary]

Tammo no look they just invent time travel during SS

[carmine sapphire]

I think its the bindings that made her lose her strenght

In the cage or smth

[opaque sigil]

There isn't really enough time for four wastes traversals as well as the weavers being taken captive and the events of SS

[carmine sapphire]

I dont remember what they said lol

[runic fern]

It's 11:30pm here in Kazakhstan so ye ima sleep goodnight people

[stark estuary]

And Weavers seem to have been established in Hallownest before Hornet was even born.

[opaque sigil]

They were well established, yes

[stark estuary]

so the only option is time travel

[brittle garnet]

Man to be fair I really don't care about the -quel discussions I just want to play the game

[random granite]

How long is the era of hallownest? like are we basing it on human lifespans or bug lifespans, because if so the entire history of hallownest could reside within the space of a couple months

[brittle garnet]

We don't know and basing it on either is bad.

[opaque sigil]

There's no scale

[stark estuary]

We aren't given a timescale

[winter cypress]

i feel like they wont even need to specify whether its a sequel or a prequel

[opaque sigil]

Years exist conceptually but nonspecifically and they may or may not correspond to our idea of a year

[brittle garnet]

They're not our real world insects, so we can't attribute those qualities to them.

[stark estuary]

We don't even know if they're insect-sized

[opaque sigil]

They don't, but if they go out of their way to leave it ambiguous it could hurt SS's narrative if, say, they avoid having Hornet's situation change significantly, perhaps in an ending, just to be unclear regarding chronology

[normal token]

And if they are we can always travel to the HK universe and squash em all

[stark estuary]

What if Hornet in SS is a clone, like Shadow was in Sonic Heroes. That'll be the big plot twist.

[brittle garnet]

I think sequel narrarively is the best idea because it leaves the ending open to be anything

I wouldn't really be interested in the endings at all if I knew that they all lead to HK anyway.

[opaque sigil]

It would also put a limitation on how much Hornet could grow

[agile kelp]

what if a tik tik was the size of a sky scraper?

[opaque sigil]

She couldn't ever be that much more impressive than her HK fights without it being weird

[gilded adder]

Need that sweet, sweet character development

[opaque sigil]

That too

[stark estuary]

Yeah. Going off the back of that though, I don't think she will exceed TK (even pre-VH) in terms of canonical strength.

[brittle garnet]

Oh yeah can't fucking wait for the character we play to have actual development.

[opaque sigil]

Although idk if a focus on Hornet character development would work that well anyways

Considering how much dialogue will probably be optional (and that too much probably shouldn't be otherwise) it might be tricky to have reasonable development

[gilded adder]

Maybe something more minor and subtle, in typical TC fashion. She could get influenced by the people of Pharloom and what happens when she helps them out.

[opaque sigil]

True, and it's not like her development has to be stated in order to be there even if a player isn't talking to NPCs

[stark estuary]

Hey what if in one of the endings Hornet turns into a large spider-wyrm . Like PK's transformation backwards.

[gilded adder]

Like, I could see the majority of her development being in mandatory cutscenes and dialogue

[stark estuary]

And that's Blackwyrm

[opaque sigil]

Then I'll apply for mod and ban you, Kirb

[analog forge]

why tf would that be blackwyrm?

[stark estuary]

Because I said so

[analog forge]

fair enough

[opaque sigil]

My issue with that is that too much of it might be unwelcome to some players

The game frequently pulling you out of the game and into dialogue/cutscenes that you can't avoid can also be a pain on repeat playthroughs

[analog forge]

just have 3 versions of every dialouge option to display her growth

[opaque sigil]

Even if you can just click through them

[gilded adder]

I'm all for a move focused story and character work. I personally love that stuff but I see what you're saying. I think her development could come from player involvement. Like, if the player themselves develops and seeks out dialogue and helps out citizens Horent will too but if they don't Hornet will remain static.

[brittle garnet]

I really wonder... Is Hornet gonna react to things happening without conversion with another bug? Will she share her thoughts and stuff?

[stark estuary]

Yeah

Oh I misread that

[normal token]

So like Kirby Dreamland 3?

[gilded adder]

I have never played that game.

[opaque sigil]

However it would be hard to make that development coherent, consistent, and continuous without controlling how and when Hornet interacts with NPCs

[normal token]

Basically in that game, if you help some NPC's they help you make some friendship star thing and that's how your only able to fight Zero

[gilded adder]

True but TC said that they are fine with players missing content if it means some players will find it and appreciate it.

[opaque sigil]

They could write every interactions several times with different permutations and change it based on some hidden underlying character development variable but it would be a lot of work

[stark estuary]

One of the NPCs is Samus and she asks Kirby to kill Metroids for her.

[normal token]

Ye that too

[analog forge]

its not about missing content, its about making her character growth consistent

[opaque sigil]

This isn't about missing it, it's about it not making sense if you don't do it in the right order

[brittle garnet]

Well, the game is not entirely nonlinear. Some things are still ordered.

[hollow smelt]

isnt this like a hive situation? i wouldv missed it if i hadnt searched anything up

just assumed the outside was a background or smth

[gilded adder]

Ah, I see. My bad. I misread your statement. They could make it so that Hornet develops bit by bit. Like, every interaction contributes to her development nonlinearly and then you have a big moment that only happens when you have done enough things and that makes everything funnel into the same conclusion.

[stark estuary]

inb4 "skill issue"

[opaque sigil]

That would be an inordinate amount of writing, which they certainly could do, but idk if they would want to

[analog forge]

the hive at least has that grub which acts as a teaser

[stark estuary]

Also the bees

[analog forge]

glowing womb on the other hand...

[gilded adder]

They already said that the script is much bigger so they could be doing it.

[hollow smelt]

glowing womb?

[opaque sigil]

I mean the script being bigger is one thing, it being bigger and then multiplied a few times is another

[hollow smelt]

i know im not missing content because of my % but what do u mean glowing womb?

[analog forge]

like i said, just have 3 versions of every bit of dialouge to account for hornets character devolpment whereever it is

[gilded adder]

That is true.

[normal token]

I feel like there will be more dialogue since we have an actual speaking protagonist now

[hollow smelt]

OH the charm?

[analog forge]

glowing womb, ya know, the charm?

[brittle garnet]

It's not beyond them to change a couple specific interactions based on things you've done, they did it already.

[normal token]

^

[opaque sigil]

A couple specific interactions vs every interaction

[brittle garnet]

Every interaction isn't needed.

[opaque sigil]

A significant number would be in order to communicate the development

[analog forge]

it kinda is, especially if hornets gonna be interacting with quest givers

[opaque sigil]

Like "yes" and "no" could probably be the same but more drawn out interactions being identical could shatter the illusion altogether

[analog forge]

it wouldnt make sense for hornet to act cold and detached to a quest giver while shes in the process of saving the kingdom

[gilded adder]

I think we will get development for Hornet in the game since promotional material mentions her reconciling with her past and learning more about it but how they plan on doing that is still a mystery.

[opaque sigil]

Well even TK had development, it just wasn't shoved in your face

[gilded adder]

True

[opaque sigil]

There are ways to do it without going crazy

[gilded adder]

That's why I mentioned a more minor and subtle type of development

[opaque sigil]

Which I do think could work, so long as it isn't subverted by NPC interactions

[gilded adder]

Hornet 'bout to be one of the best video game characters

[brittle garnet]

I wonder what kinds of things can Hornet learn about her past in Pharloom.

[analog forge]

lots of things

[opaque sigil]

Well, regarding her cultural history, especially, a lot

[gilded adder]

Weavers could teach her about Herrah, Deepnest, etc.

There's still stuff about Deepnest we don't know

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, and if that's the case there will callbacks to Hallownest.

[gilded adder]

Like what happened with the king, the Trilobite statue, etc.

[brittle garnet]

What I mean is that if somebody who knew her before can give her information in Pharloom, they were in Hallownest before. Which would connect the two games.

[stark estuary]

Weavers probably know a little bit about PK too

[analog forge]

you mean like the weavers?

[brittle garnet]

Yeah I mean the Weavers

[gilded adder]

That's a scary slippery slope. Too much connection to Hallownest is a bad thing because it decreases the scale of the world and makes it seem like Hallownest and Pharloom are the only existing kingdoms.

[brittle garnet]

to be fair it does seem like large civilisations are few and far between in the HK world

[gilded adder]

I guess but it's always good to leave things open

[opaque sigil]

Extraneous info about Deepnest would only serve to hold SS back

[gilded adder]

We need to learn lots about Pharloom too tbf

[brittle garnet]

The number one way to avoid this is to only mention info about Hornet herself, and not deepnest

[opaque sigil]

It should be very, very limited to what's necessary/natural, and TC should be wary of discussing it enough and in such a capacity that knowledge of it comes off as expected

Expecting players to have narrative knowledge from another game is not a good way to make a game friendly towards newcomers

[gilded adder]

So basically anything to do with Hornet, her relationship with Herrah and possibly one with the king of Deepnest.

[brittle garnet]

In a game like this a single line of callback would be enough to satisfy lore nerds.

[opaque sigil]

They already did that with FD

[brittle garnet]

And I'm fairly certain there will be a few, but they probably won't be integral.

[stark estuary]

I am expecting PK to get a passing mention somewhere.

[winter cypress]

i want this so bad

[stark estuary]

I am also expecting him to be reincarnated for the finale

In his Wyrm form

[gilded adder]

[brittle garnet]

I am expecting PK to play a big role, indirectly. Hornet's heritage as his daughter must have a lot of ramifications.

[opaque sigil]

imo the FD dialogue should be considered the gold standard: It's specific enough to be clear to people who played HK, but too unassuming to detract from the experience of a new player by making them feel like they don't have knowledge that they should

[gilded adder]

Pardon my ignorance and lore rustiness but what does FD stand for?

[hollow smelt]

holy shit i would love it if at some point thk wouldv just been in dirtmouth, vibing. like an ending where u save him

[brittle garnet]

Forge Daughter

[jade canopy]

I think another problem with having callback to hk is that hornet know a LOT, so to have a random weaver say, hi did you know about your father, the relation between him and the king of deepness and that and stuff would probably feel really weird

[brittle garnet]

The FD dialogue means the bit where Hornet says "I lack my usual tools..."

[stark estuary]

Well yeah, he certainly does play a big role indirectly, because of the simple fact that the main protagonist is his daughter

[winter cypress]

i mean we dont know what hes like in the godmaster endings, so i guess with a stretch that would be possible

[opaque sigil]

Hornet: If you are as talented as you suggest, would you lend me your aid, if only briefly? I’ve lacked for my usual tools, and I suspect you could craft fine replacements.
Forge-Daughter: Blades and traps, no doubt? I know your type!
Hornet: Of sorts, but maybe strange to this land? Some would likely prove fine challenge for your craft.

[hollow smelt]

i want to see an upright standing HK

[opaque sigil]

This is, if you have played HK, a clear reference to the spike balls. If you haven't, it just is an assertion that Hornet is familiar with weaponry beyond her needle

Which is then supported by her proficiency with such weapons

It makes perfect sense if you haven't played HK

[stark estuary]

What abt Hornet's Soul-related abilities

How do you think they'll explain those without directly mentioning PK

[brittle garnet]

I think they probably will.

[opaque sigil]

They could allude to some special attribute of hers without explaining the source

And it's not like she's the only one who can manipulate silk

[brittle garnet]

Well uh
She kinda is, the only one we've seen at least.

[opaque sigil]

Weavers and even some common enemies in SS can

[stark estuary]

Yeah but attributing it to the Weavers might cause confusion

[brittle garnet]

Weavers can use silk to make magic, we haven't seen them be able to control it like that. The common enemies seemed to just attach a weapon to a string and swing it around.

[stark estuary]

Yeet

[gilded adder]

Maybe we get to see the Weaver that escaped the den in HK

[opaque sigil]

That's the same as Hornet's ability

[brittle garnet]

No it's not the same

[stark estuary]

I was referring to the action of binding btw

[opaque sigil]

Binding may be unique to Hornet but without having played HK there's no real reason for a new player to think anything weird about it

It doesn't need an explanation

[brittle garnet]

Like, you can't tell me Gossamer Storm is something that you can do without being able to control the silk's movements directly.

[stark estuary]

Funny how you responded to my query at exactly the same time I clarified what I meant

[brittle garnet]

And the enemy just seems to swing around a Pin on a string.

[stark estuary]

Foresight

[opaque sigil]

That's not how swinging something on a string looks

[brittle garnet]

To be fair it's hard to tell because we don't know what the full animation looks like.

[opaque sigil]

It could easily be similar to Hornet's ability, just a bit slower and not omnidirectional to make it actually avoidable

[brittle garnet]

But we know that Hornet's silk is special, so extrapolating that her abilities are unique isn't hard.

[stark estuary]

Obviously Hornet is more skilled at using her silk than this random ass enemy

[opaque sigil]

Except these abilities are replicated by others

[brittle garnet]

Oh really? Such as...?

[opaque sigil]

Weavers and this enemy

[brittle garnet]

Have we seen Weavers do anything that Hornet does?

[opaque sigil]

And like I said, a new player has no real reason to think twice about binding

[stark estuary]

imo it's likely that Hornet's silk skills were taught to her by the Weavers originally

[opaque sigil]

They restore her abilities, it's not a stretch to think they might be able to use them

[brittle garnet]

And we can't tell if whatever this enemy is doing is similar in nature so we shouldn't count that.

[opaque sigil]

It is similar enough in effect that Hornet's doing it wouldn't necessarily seem odd to a newcomer

[stark estuary]

Yeah but Tammo's point is that from the perspective of a new player Hornet's abilities don't seem like they're unique

Oh goddammit are you catuall-

[opaque sigil]

Or at least not so unique as to require a tangible explanation in order to make SS comprehensible

[gilded adder]

Tbf, Edge did state that the enemies in the citadel are specifically doing similar things to Hornet.

[stark estuary]

Also even TK's focus isn't something that's explained until very late into the game

[brittle garnet]

It mentioned that her enemies also use silk, not that they're doing similar things.

I think that maybe initially, there will be no need to explain her abilities, but they definitely will be elaborated upon later on.

[stark estuary]

So yeah that's why I think PK will be playable.

[coarse leaf]

Hi, I have a question. What's the relationship between these two? On the HK Silksong wiki, it says that the all-white one is a boss and the fandom portrays the two as hating each other.

[gilded adder]

Ah, my bad then.

[opaque sigil]

They want to kill each other

[coarse leaf]

but why

[gilded adder]

All we know is that they say nasty things to each other and Lace wants to kill Hornet.

[opaque sigil]

Lace doesn't want Hornet climbing the citadel

Hornet wants to climb it

[stark estuary]

Because Hornet stole Lace's beans me when beans

[gilded adder]

Do we know if Hornet wants to specifically kill Lace?

[opaque sigil]

And neither of them know how to use their words

[opaque sigil]

She certainly doesn't hesitate to try

She has no qualms about it

[gilded adder]

True but it could just be self-defense and because Lace is a meanie weanie

[stark estuary]

Hornet just doesn't give a shit

She almost killed Quirrel in the Quirrel comic

[coarse leaf]

Do you think Hornet likes white wine or red wine more?

[gilded adder]

Hornet Genocide route

[brittle garnet]

Pink wine

[opaque sigil]

I think grapes aren't a thing so wine isn't a thing

[stark estuary]

is Gruzzer milk an option

[nimble radish]

hornet doesn't try to kill lace or lace would be dead

[gilded adder]

Mossberry Wine

[coarse leaf]

Do they have any type of fruit in Hollow Knight? There are so many plant-based levels in both games, there has to be some type of fruit amongst so much biodiversity.

Maybe wine doesn't exist but what type of drinks do?

[gilded adder]

Mossberry

[coarse leaf]

What's mossberry?

[gilded adder]

An item that drops from Moss Grotto and the Druid of the Moss Temple tasks you in getting some in making whatever concoction he's making.

[coarse leaf]

Oh, that's interesting!

[gilded adder]

And the druid specifically says he wants fruits so Mossberries are indeed fruits.

I think Lifeblood could also be interpreted as an alcoholic beverage

[opaque sigil]

[gilded adder]

I WAS JUST SPECULATING

I'M SORRY

[opaque sigil]

Ok but like how

Gulka venom is 100% a narcotic but lifeblood?

[gilded adder]

It was labeled taboo and alcohol was labeled illegal at one point in U.S's history.

[brittle garnet]

I don't think Gulka venom is a narcotic, it's just the Hunter is immune to poison

[opaque sigil]

The bud is unpleasantly sour, but oh! The venom in those balls it spits. Exquisite! If you have the time to spare, try drinking some and enjoy the effects.

[gilded adder]

I had no idea what Gulka Venom was before this so pardon my ignorance.

I didn't know it was even mentioned in the game.

[glossy gazelle]

Except Lifeblood is actually good for you where as alcohol…yeah

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, Im saying that it's the Hunter that's a freak immune to venom and other bugs would fucking die.

[opaque sigil]

Venom is generally fine to consume

Venom is only bad if it gets in your blood

[vagrant umbra]

If a bug ate an infected bug, would it get infected? Excluding the Hunter of course.

[glossy gazelle]

Probably not

It’s not really a typical affliction in terms of how it works

[opaque sigil]

Willoh and Hunter eat infected bugs just fine

[normal hinge]

didn't we have this convo before

[vagrant umbra]

Thank goodness, that egg loving npc is safe.

[gilded adder]

One of the things I want in the game but might not happen is a flashback boss fight between Hornet and Herrah maybe as a test of skill by Herrah or due to a disagreement of becoming a dreamer.

[brittle garnet]

Flashbacks would be cool.

Wonder if they're gonna happen.

[opaque sigil]

I'm not a fan of flashback sequences really. They take you out of the world you're exploring

[glossy gazelle]

As long as they are short I don’t mind them

[vagrant umbra]

How about Herrah’s evil younger sister that lead the weavers out of Hallownest and all sold them of to the big bad in Pharloom.

[gilded adder]

BUT IMAGINE THE STORY IMPLICATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT OF HORNET FACING HER OWN MOTHER.

[opaque sigil]

I mean she reconciled things with Herrah in HK

[gilded adder]

That's why I said flashback

[winter cypress]

im in support of flashbacks if it means we get more cool animated cutscenes

[normal hinge]

wouldn't hornet be too young tho

[opaque sigil]

They already had that moment, no need to repeat it

[gilded adder]

I guess but seeing it in real time would be cool

I just want cool character development and story beats in SS

[opaque sigil]

I think it would detract from what it was: a somber moment

[vagrant umbra]

If there is ever a flashback, I would rather it be some bombshell reveal like the abyss scene, instead of some tie in with the first game.

[gilded adder]

It's just that the story potentially being more focused upon has me hyped since I love a good story, especially in video games since it's like a complete package.

[glossy gazelle]

I’m sure Hornet will get character development. And judging by the npcs and bosses we have thus far, I don’t think story beats won’t be developed

[gilded adder]

Not to say that HK's story wasn't good, mind.

[opaque sigil]

I doubt SS will be a heavily story-driven game

[gilded adder]

True but I don't really care about it being so story-driven, just rewarding for players who go out of their way to experience it, which is what I plan on doing.

[opaque sigil]

A robust active narrative and player agency/nonlinearity are kind of at odds and atm it seems like the latter is a priority

[glossy gazelle]

I’m assuming story will be a bit more of a focus then in HK, considering Hornet can actually speak

[vagrant umbra]

Where are my mossberries Hornet?!? <- the story

[radiant vigil]

i cant wait for feb 1st

[glossy gazelle]

Meaning she can do a bunch of things, the Knight just couldn’t

[opaque sigil]

A bit more, sure

[gilded adder]

I can, since nothing will happen then.

[glossy gazelle]

Like being Forward with Lace after she attempted to shit talke her

[vagrant umbra]

I don’t think it’s the 1st that’s significant, but the Feb part of the leak has my attention.

[opaque sigil]

And supposedly the world is more responsive to player actions, which also helps have a more active narrative

There would be more changes to the world as the story advances

[gilded adder]

Imagining Trobbio's story especially has me excited. They could do so many things with him. Him being a comedic goofball with seemingly no one watching him because his theatre is empty (that we know of) is such a good set up for various outcomes.

[vagrant umbra]

My head cannon is that he saw the Grimm Troupe pass by when he was little and has been trying and failing to get in the Troupe to the point that he made his own and he’s the only member (unless Hornet wants to).

[gilded adder]

I don't know about the connection with the GT but the rest sounds awesome. That could make way for a very somber but uplifting story.

[glossy gazelle]

I mean it specifically says he’s seeking adoration throughout Pharloom, and I’m assuming he’s failing despite being a master of Stage, Brush, and Voice

(Probably due to the stupid stuff Trobbio does)

[opaque sigil]

Under ordinary circumstances he might be more successful

[gilded adder]

I'm ready to cry my eyes out to Trobbio

[stark estuary]

😋

[vagrant umbra]

But… red equal Grimm???

[glossy gazelle]

Or it could be that the haunting is screwing over any chance at an audience

[opaque sigil]

It certainly isn't helping

[gilded adder]

Not everything has to be connected to HK

[stark estuary]

Wait is Hornet related to Grimm

[gilded adder]

[stark estuary]

Red dress and head shape is similar. Checks out.

[vagrant umbra]

[opaque sigil]

also the troupe isn't just red it's red and black

[coarse leaf]

Do y'all think weed exists in Hollow Knight

[stark estuary]

And what colour is Hornet's body?

[opaque sigil]

[vagrant umbra]

[gilded adder]

Uhhhhhh, I don't know if this is the type of convo we want to be having, especially right now.

[coarse leaf]

okay im sorry.

[stark estuary]

Thank you Tammo, in your foolishness you made my point for me. You have now proven, without a doubt, that Grimm is related to Hornet.

[gilded adder]

No worries, it just might be a sensitive topic for some so best not to get too deep into it. Better safe than sorry.

[vagrant umbra]

I got a totally non-sensitive topic: when does Silksong release? February? Never?

[gilded adder]

[stark estuary]

Grimm also refers to PK as "dear Wyrm", and WL notes the similarity between the Grimmchild and TK. They are both Vessels. Grimm is a Vessel, a child of PK, as is Hornet.

[gilded adder]

My headcannon is that Grimm and PK had a relationship in the past.

[vagrant umbra]

Hmmm… before or after Pale King was a giant wyrm?

[nimble radish]

grimm is hornet's real mother

[gilded adder]

Por que no los dos?

[nimble radish]

server language is english

[gilded adder]

I'm getting deja vu...

[nimble radish]

server language is english

[stark estuary]

What's the server language sorry?

[vagrant umbra]

Because it may or may not have been a deal breaker for when Pale King was no longer huge.

[opaque sigil]

What

Why

[stark estuary]

You know who else it was a dealbreaker for? Godseekers! Grimm is a Godseeker?

[opaque sigil]

It wasn't a dealbreaker tho

[stark estuary]

Well not a deal-breaker but less preferable

Ideally he would also have been...alive

[nimble radish]

eh, can't be picky
not like theres a bunch of god beings running about

[gilded adder]

Also, Tammo, I have never played Fire Emblem but a friend who does showed me some characters and I think I have a favorite.

[nimble radish]

hair goals

[opaque sigil]

That's Palla

[stark estuary]

Yes, Palla very good and based.

[gilded adder]

Is she not Erinys?

[hollow smelt]

sheesh

[opaque sigil]

Uh idk she looks like palla

[stark estuary]

Wait no I recognise that art

[opaque sigil]

Erinys isn't from any game I've played

[gilded adder]

My friend called her Erinys which is why I'm confused.

[opaque sigil]

That could be somebody from 4 or 5

[normal token]

It is anything but English

[opaque sigil]

This is Palla

[gilded adder]

I just checked and she's from Heroes, it seems.

[opaque sigil]

Oh well Heroes is a hot mess of characters from all the other games

[stark estuary]

She's originally from Genealogy

[nimble radish]

oui

[opaque sigil]

Ok well I never beat genealogy so yeah I wouldn't know

[glossy gazelle]

Palla is in Gaiden I know that

And Echoes by proxy

[opaque sigil]

Palla is in 1/2/3/11/12/15

[glossy gazelle]

2 is Gaiden btw and 15 is Echoes

[opaque sigil]

So all the games in Archanea and Valentia except awakening

because by then she's been dead for a long time

[stark estuary]

Being dead didn't stop another green haired character from making an appearance

[opaque sigil]

I mean when it comes to inter-game canon there's precedent for assuming characters didn't die

[stark estuary]

Actually wait she's probably a spotpass character

[opaque sigil]

Like how FE10 would be unplayable if FE9 characters stayed dead

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah reminder there are spotpass characters in Awakening

[opaque sigil]

Well I'm not counting those for reasons that should be apparent

[stark estuary]

Einherjar I think the technical term was

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah they aren’t canon

[silver oak]

I am ill

[stark estuary]

Gws

[silver oak]

Thanks

[opaque sigil]

Who?

[stark estuary]

Naga lol

[opaque sigil]

Naga's spotpass pretty sure

[dusty nimbus]

You feel shit too? (Not emotionally)

[glossy gazelle]

Oh that sucks, i hope you get well soon

[opaque sigil]

Tiki's still around though

[dusty nimbus]

Get better soon Necro

[stark estuary]

No she appears near the end to enchant the Falchion

[silver oak]

It’s not too bad, just annoying
I just wanna sleep

[gilded adder]

Sleep is good. I like sleep.

You should sleep, if you can.

[dusty nimbus]

My joints hurt

[silver oak]

It’s the middle of the school day

[gilded adder]

[coarse leaf]

This thing is adorable. Idk why but I love all the armoured HK Characters.

[opaque sigil]

I do find it amusing that there are two falchions

[silver oak]

I would say “badass” more than cute

[gilded adder]

Very cool boss. I have high hopes for their fight.

[opaque sigil]

Well actually 3 ig

[silver oak]

I just wanna see the coral forest as a whole

[opaque sigil]

There's the original one, Lucina's, and the Valentian falchion

[stark estuary]

I mean it's like a tooth or something so ig you can make more

[silver oak]

Well, what I really want to see is silksong

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah that guy seems pretty cool

[normal token]

Ari makes amazing designs

[dusty nimbus]

It has a head that looks similar actually to the head on the throne of the Collosium of Fools now that I took a closer look to it

[opaque sigil]

Nada Kuya probably had a falchion too, yeah, although it's in Magvel

[trim estuary]

What’re we talking about

[dusty nimbus]

It's not the same but I find it similar

[normal token]

I like Sharpe's design too

[silver oak]

So does wilbo #art-discussion message

[normal token]

But lore whores have a mental breakdown when they see his tendril attack

[silver oak]

On a side note, wilbo changed his discord pfp

[opaque sigil]

We don't, everybody else does

[normal token]

Oh shit wilbo changed pfp

[trim estuary]

[stark estuary]

I do

[trim estuary]

More evidence

[stark estuary]

But then again I already have all the answers

[silver oak]

This is what constitutes as news now

[opaque sigil]

Kirb you're in a constant state of mental breakdown afaik

[stark estuary]

True!

[opaque sigil]

Which you then foist onto me

[winter cypress]

guys what if the february 1st is the date when it becomes available to preorder and that goes on for two weeks until the 14th

[opaque sigil]

SS having preorders doesn't really make sense

[trim estuary]

He changed it to this I think #art-discussion message

[stark estuary]

My brain can only store so many Blackwyrm theories, eventually they overflow

But they are too precious to simply be discarded

[silver oak]

Proof that wilbo lurks

[normal token]

Wilbo lurks every day bet

[trim estuary]

I mean we already knew that but

[silver oak]

Or proof that news is coming

[opaque sigil]

'twas a joke, gooswald

[coarse leaf]

Do y'all think HKS will be on Xbox game pass?

[haughty ingot]

wilbo pfp change?

[opaque sigil]

Eventually maybe

[sinful flare]

omg wilbo pfp change,,,,, silk son releas tomorro.w 🥺 🥺

[pallid flare]

wilbo looks in here

[opaque sigil]

It won't be on xbox game pass initially because it won't be on xbox initially, also that service doesn't generally do new games afaik

[coarse leaf]

But it has Hollow Knight on it. why not silksong

[opaque sigil]

HK is on xbox. SS won't be at first.

[coarse leaf]

also they SOMETIMES add newly made games. just not often

[coarse leaf]

what will it be on

[opaque sigil]

Switch and pc

[winged yew]

there mask looks oddly familiar

[gilded adder]

Evolved Primal Aspid????

Wait, that's just the regular Aspid

[coarse leaf]

a lot of masks look oddly familiar to each other

for example hk and mantis lords

so its probably just a coincidence

[tranquil igloo]

primal aspid when he's had enough

[radiant wraith]

Aspid Prime

[tranquil igloo]

the ASPIDSAURAUS

[radiant wraith]

Prime Aspid

[winged yew]

that what team cherry wants you to think

[coarse leaf]

lmao

[coarse leaf]

aw man

[radiant wraith]

Everybody gangsta until console port is called Voidheart edition again

[winter cypress]

dear god.

[gilded adder]

Silkheart edition

[dry valley]

silksong on the playstation 5

(with VR capabilities)

[sinful flare]

Silk son edtn

[dry valley]

silksong: quirrel editino

Hollow Knight: Silksong X Weezer's Blue Album

[coarse leaf]

Do you guys think Hornet can Sew, Crochet, or Knit?

Or all of the above

[gilded adder]

Probably

[coarse leaf]

What does Hornet do when it gets cold? does she just knit a sweater?

[tall hinge]

do we know if the bugs of hallownest even get cold? or at least ones with shells

[coarse leaf]

Can the bugs in Hallownest feel pain?

[tall hinge]

yes

[coarse leaf]

why?

[pallid flare]

what why?

[tall hinge]

because they can?

[gilded adder]

They have nerves and pain receptors like any other regular bug

[coarse leaf]

i thought bugs couldn't feel pain

[gilded adder]

Is that so? I wouldn't know.

I'm no bug expert

[coarse leaf]

WAIT NOPE I SEARCHED IT UP AND

They can :0

"Over 15 years ago, researchers found that insects, and fruit flies in particular, feel something akin to acute pain called “nociception.” When they encounter extreme heat, cold or physically harmful stimuli, they react, much in the same way humans react to pain."

Are there any fruitflies in Hallownest'

also why is it spelt Hallownest and not Hollownest

[glossy gazelle]

Hallow means sacred I think

[coarse leaf]

ty

[glossy gazelle]

np

[serene chasm]

If they couldnt feel pain then what would be the point of killing them

[random fox]

Omg so if i burn them they will feel pain thats amazing

[coarse leaf]

only fruit flies though apparently

[tall hinge]

also the fact that the pale king says "no voice to cry suffering" implies that bugs do feel pain and suffer

[random fox]

Aw, thats unfortunate

[coarse leaf]

Are there any roaches in hallownest??

[winged yew]

just that one video of a guy absolutely torching a cockroach

[floral kindle]

yeah godtamer is one, the rider

[random fox]

So thats why i hated her so mych

Roaches suck i hope they all burn

[coarse leaf]

Oh. I thought they were an ant

[random fox]

Same but i guess not

[coarse leaf]

I've never fought her. i got to the 3rd trial and I died within the 2nd batch of enemies

[floral kindle]

apparently the backer said such

[random fox]

3rd trial is cringe, took me like 4h total

[coarse leaf]

it still unlocked her in godhome for some reason though

[floral kindle]

they removed requiring to fight her in the overworld to unlock pantheon 3 that's why

[coarse leaf]

ohh

I love this wow omg

[random fox]

Same

[stark estuary]

Ah, Last Judge...

[random fox]

Last judge seems cool af

[coarse leaf]

this is the 1st time I've seen a HK character with hands... except the collector

[winged yew]

i wonder what bug hes based of off

[coarse leaf]

They still don't have feet

[gilded adder]

The Last Judge bug

[random fox]

He looks like ant idk

Or maybe one of them beetles with horns

[winged yew]

for ace attorney?

[floral kindle]

they look like they skipped leg day

[winged yew]

when are we gonna get the last lawyer bug

[gilded adder]

I've only ever played the first game and some of the second so I wouldn't know.

[coarse leaf]

Do you think one of the bugs in Hallonest could actually hurt a human? Like, how big are the characters? they're all bugs so they gotta be tiny

[gilded adder]

We don't know their proportional size.

Or at least, I don't think we do.

[stark estuary]

That's right. They might be the size of skyscrapers

[coarse leaf]

SO THEY COULD BE LIKE 10 FT TALL??

[random fox]

I assume some of them are venomous so no matter the size they could hurt u

[coarse leaf]

Imagine getting k.o'd by a bug

[analog forge]

pretty sure there is no proportional size.
since theres no humans or human objects, theres nothing we could possibly compare them to

[random fox]

Honestly any bug could mentaly k.o me they scare me

[analog forge]

but the knight would kick you ass regardless of their relative size

[coarse leaf]

tru true

[vale galleon]

im pretty sure telletubbies are 10ft tall

[analog forge]

dont we see them interact with children?

[random fox]

Idk if hes like a small ant he would probably get 1shot by undodgable chancla thats 50 times bigger than him

[analog forge]

He would fucking pick it up and throw it back at you

[stark estuary]

Peppa Pig is like 7 feet tall

[coarse leaf]

Yeah but teletubbies don't have weapons

[random fox]

He cant even touch another bug without taking dmg

[vale galleon]

not that we know of

[analog forge]

Ok, assuming that a nail is the actual size of a nail

[random fox]

Ayo how yall is papa pig then

[analog forge]

then they are like 5 inches tol, and dung defender is like a foot or 2 tall

ok no, thats horrifying

[random fox]

How much is 1 or 2 foot in the good measuring system

[analog forge]

a foot is a third of a meter

[radiant perch]

30cm

[random fox]

Just seeing a 30cm bug would probably kill me

[brave stone]

Who are the 2 sources?

[random fox]

Thats around 4m rite

[coarse leaf]

Looks like the Guy from the colosseum decided to work out

[nimble steppe]

Bug used bulk up

[stark estuary]

Yeah bit more

[gilded adder]

I'm very excited for the Ant tribe

[vale galleon]

i want to fight the big background ant robot thingy

[normal token]

I love how buff some of the ss enemies are

[random fox]

Them legs tho

[stark estuary]

Ant tribe look awesome yeah

[coarse leaf]

plump!

[random fox]

I just wanna see last judge

Even the name sounds so cool

[vale galleon]

Im excited for the misty moors

[tall hinge]

gotta get em pumpin pumpin pumpin, boompa boompa boom

[stark estuary]

What about first judge

[random fox]

Irelevant

[vale galleon]

and the bird guys (those are in the misty moors right)

[winged yew]

WELCOME TO THE UNDERGROUND

[floral kindle]

yeah tyhe graymoor

[random fox]

Sounds like 6ix9ine line with less race stuff

[vale galleon]

yea that one

[random fox]

Bird guys? There are birds what

[tall hinge]

its what jake says in the finale of adventure time

[random fox]

6ix9ine voices jake so it checks out

[floral kindle]

well, they fly and have beaks but not "bird" bird

[vale galleon]

these

they look like birds kinda

[coarse leaf]

HEY GUYS UM

[random fox]

That looks like a pear

[normal token]

Silksong has chozo in it

[coarse leaf]

HOW DID LORD FOOL DIE?

[vale galleon]

yea

[floral kindle]

he got old

[random fox]

He did abit of tomfoolery

[coarse leaf]

Also why is he huge? why is no one caring?

[tall hinge]

#hk-lore

[serene chasm]

god damn #hk-lore killing another one

[vale galleon]

so to get this chat going again, why do you think the little dudes are carrying hornet in the cage?

at the start

[serene chasm]

they want ransom money.

[gilded adder]

Hello Curly

[jade canopy]

Oh hey there random meme are you lost ?

[gilded adder]

Please keep random memes to #hk-meme

[jade canopy]

And

[serene chasm]

Hey Jonny

[pallid flare]

me

[digital junco]

fuck

[pallid flare]

you're too slow

[gilded adder]

Refer to what I just said.

[coarse leaf]

I'mM sorry i didnt know i wasn't on this page at first-

[gilded adder]

It's ok, just be sure to check next time.

[brittle garnet]

I go for a walk and civil genuine discussion is gone. Lost in the void. Dispersed into the Aether.

[coarse leaf]

Can we talk about how cute this thing is

[gilded adder]

I'm trying my best here but I'm only one man.

[coarse leaf]

Pillsbury dough boy

[digital junco]

civil discussion in #sk-discussion 💀

[brittle garnet]

[gilded adder]

Since we're talking about SS designs we love, I really like Carmelita's design. Can't wait to fight her and learn more about her.

[brittle garnet]

I love... Puke bugg

[stark estuary]

I also really like Carmelita's design

[brittle garnet]

I love barnacle crab...

[coarse leaf]

I like this thingy

[winter cypress]

i like the fleas but they sound like middle aged men

[coarse leaf]

who

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, same.

[gilded adder]

The queen

[coarse leaf]

LAce thoughj

[brittle garnet]

I also really like coral man

He's so cool.

[coarse leaf]

HOLD UP

[vale galleon]

I like this dude

[lyric summit]

Get guuuud!

[vale galleon]

wut

[coarse leaf]

SHAKRA??? She's so gorgeous.

[brittle garnet]

O Yeah, Shakra is my fave

[stark estuary]

I like Sharpe and Seth

[jade canopy]

I think you’ll run out of character to post soon

[brittle garnet]

And Forge Daughter... I love her. She's so nice.

[brittle garnet]

Unit.

[coarse leaf]

don't underestimate me.

[brittle garnet]

Mom energy.

[glossy gazelle]

My favorite NPC atm is probably Trobbio

Though I also like Garmond

[coarse leaf]

the pink thing?

Sherma is adorable

[glossy gazelle]

This is Trobbio:

[coarse leaf]

pink and orange

[pallid flare]

i love him

[coarse leaf]

he looks sassy

[vale galleon]

he shoots the little confetti things from the ground right

[winged yew]

gives me mettaton vibes

[coarse leaf]

I wonder what the Moss prophet was like b4 the infection

[neon talon]

probably EXACTLY the same

[winged yew]

isn't the infection in hallownest

[glossy gazelle]

Yes

[coarse leaf]

yes srry.

[gilded adder]

Trobbio my beloved

[coarse leaf]

silksong

[stark estuary]

Well, Hunter's description of Mossy Vagabonds is not very flattering: "Lazy, portly Mosskin. Easily swayed by others.
Slow, fat and easily vanquished; common threads in those who forget their calling and forsake their duties."

[copper knot]

i have acquired silksong spoilers

||hornet will be featured in silksong||

[vale galleon]

wait really?

[opaque sigil]

[coarse leaf]

Damn, you edited it b4 I could correct you

[copper knot]

[winged yew]

WHAT HOW DO YOU KNOW?

[coarse leaf]

no way

[copper knot]

my dad is teamcherry and he will ban you

[winged yew]

please spare my soul

[coarse leaf]

no way

[copper knot]

[coarse leaf]

[coarse leaf]

oh yeah? well my dad

[jovial sand]

Is dead

[coarse leaf]

[copper knot]

...went to get milk?

[coarse leaf]

Nah he's just chillin' rn.

[jovial sand]

Have you checked if he’s breathing lately?

[coarse leaf]

Yes! hes fine

[jovial sand]

Is it YOUR dad tho

[coarse leaf]

You'll never know.

[jovial sand]

[tall hinge]

uh

[coarse leaf]

uh

[fallow rock]

is shakra part of elder hu monk group

[coarse leaf]

maybe?

Thats a cool theory to think about. idk

[opaque sigil]

Maybe. The rings aren't the same, though

[fallow rock]

**I`M GOING TO GET ICE CREAM TO FILTER OUT YOUR FILTHY DECIT (I LIKE STRAWBERRY) ** anybody who gets this reference you will get a free cookie and a piece of cheese

[stark estuary]

I didn't know Elder Hu had a "monk group"

[fallow rock]

also ant queen carmelita

[opaque sigil]

Shakra has a cohort, Hu may or may not

Fierce and intimidating, Shakra is a warrior seeking her master, who vanished under strange circumstances. **Shakra’s clan are skilled fighters who can handle their own in the kingdom’s wilds. **Usefully for Hornet, **each member of the clan also hones a Craft-Skill **and Shakra’s mastery of cartography will prove invaluable on Hornet’s adventure.
The notion goes that being a doctor is Hu's craft-skill

[stark estuary]

I know about Shakra. With regards to Hu, he was a travelling sage so him not being from Hallownest isn't out of the question.

[fallow rock]

yep

[stark estuary]

What if Hu is Shakra's master ||/j||