sk-discussion

[formal karma]

perhaps, but no straight up godseeker or grimm

[opaque sigil]

Knowledge of the first game might help contextualize the second but it isn't going to be a requisite for understanding it

[formal karma]

yea if pale/higher beings come up in silksong there's going to be their own explainer

but as for straight up copy pasting important people from HK? nah...

[opaque sigil]

I mean the only reason pale beings would come up is if Hornet talks about them which there's not much reason for her to do, and higher beings don't need too much explaining, they're just there

[frigid geyser]

I really dont want grimm

Like if there was literally anything in Silksong, I wouldnt want grimm

[formal karma]

I was just adding that as example because a lot of people champion having him around

Maybe not a lot. People who advocate crossover I guess

[opaque sigil]

Grimm in SS comes up a lot

[formal karma]

Hornet is the only required carry over anyways

[opaque sigil]

And the weavers

[formal karma]

Mhmm yea

Keep forgetting they were even IN HK

[uncut citrus]

apparently they keep adding more and more content, there will pobalby be alot of things thats aside the main story like the colloseum and the PoP, related to the other discussion there also the DLCs that might come into the game like not as DLC in hollow knight but already in the game (like many ppls think) so thats also more content they are probably adding

[formal karma]

Like... they are so silksong at this point...

[opaque sigil]

Yeah they kinda just bailed on Hallownest

[frigid geyser]

I see what you mean.

Im all for new content lol, theres gonna be so much to do

[opaque sigil]

imo they shouldn't do content updates and should just have everything in the base game, even if that tacks on some extra development time

[frigid geyser]

good idea, means no waiting for more stuff later on

[uncut citrus]

i mean they said they werent going to do any Hollow knight univers related stuff fora while but maybe come back to it so after doing theirs other game (mabye that fearless fox thing) they might come back to add some DLC to Silksong, but there really nothing we're sure about that

and that'll be in a while anyways

[carmine sapphire]

I want an area where we re-fight bosses but not godhome again

[misty whale]

same

[stark estuary]

No, no they wouldn't.

That would be such a stupid thing to do I probably don't even need to explain why.

The """people"""

[frigid geyser]

could be nice

I would as well tbh

[stark estuary]

[opaque sigil]

Yeah a boss refight mechanic would be a pretty big qol thing to omit in SS

[analog lily]

How would it work though? The idea of godhome and god seekers was pretty complex what about silksong?

[stark estuary]

You actually think TC would make a profit if they sold SS for $100 tomorrow morning?

[opaque sigil]

I mean TC are the creators, they could come up with whatever they want, or even just make it noncanon

[uncut citrus]

i mean it depends, if its at 100$ for like a week and then at the expected 15-20$ i wont but if its at 100$ for like two month ill probably get it

[analog lily]

Yeah true, but TC makes most things canon. The only non canoh thing in hk would be steel soul (though even that is debatable)

[opaque sigil]

There are plenty of ways to do it. That they won't flavor it in the same way as HK doesn't really suggest that they won't make a boss refight mode

Kirb the $100 thing is a joke/hyperbole, ofc TC wouldn't make the game $100

[uncut citrus]

i sure hope there one, even if its not 100% canon then i dont really care that much ill just try not to think of all the unlogical stuff

[misty whale]

why is my dumb joke getting taken seriously

[analog lily]

Yeah though tbh if silksong was $100 it would be bought quite a bit

[uncut citrus]

okay but

[stark estuary]

Because like four people replied to it unironically

[misty whale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque sigil]

Me too, boss fights are fun and having to replay the entire game to do a given one would be inconvenient

Even if there isn't a boss rush mode, I do think having a refight mechanic just seems like common sense tbh

[misty whale]

only the firstborn?

[stark estuary]

So would the Pale King

[misty whale]

only your bloodline? smh my head

there we go

now you're speaking my language

[uncut citrus]

ok but

thats an even worst discussion than the 100$ thing

[misty whale]

luckily it is also a joke

glad we avoided that potential twitter cancellation

[analog lily]

Yeah, at most silksong would be like $40

[uncut citrus]

really at most

tbh i dont see it being more than 20-25

[misty whale]

$ = sacrificed infants

[opaque sigil]

I don't see it being much more than $15

[analog lily]

Yeah, cause i see silksong at possibly twice as big and xpensive as hk, obviously that isn’t true though

[uncut citrus]

yeah i think it'll probably be $15, maybe $20

[opaque sigil]

Even $20 is a significant increase

[frigid geyser]

if silksong doesnt come next year I will beat my family to death

[uncut citrus]

possibly twice as big will hopefully be true

[opaque sigil]

Well, being twice as big and having twice as much content aren't equivalent

[misty whale]

I recommend waiting until release so nothing can distract you from the game

[opaque sigil]

tbh at this point I'd be surprised if SS wasn't twice as big, physically, but having twice as much content still sounds like a high estimate

[uncut citrus]

silksong will most definity be around twice as big as hollow knight in map size, then there seems to be alot more open rooms than in hk

anyways cya in 1h

[opaque sigil]

[misty whale]

silksong will feature twice as many zote variants

[opaque sigil]

But HK already had so many

[misty whale]

so much content

[frigid geyser]

Hollow knight has like 40 bosses

[analog lily]

Bosses isn9t all of what hk has to offer though

[misty whale]

i mean silksong had like 160 enemies 2 years ago, so 50-100% more bosses doesn't seem unreasonable to me

[frigid geyser]

not saying it is, just expect silksong to have even more cuz of grand hunts and other stuff

[opaque sigil]

I mean standard combat has been overall expanded, there could be a higher normal enemy:boss enemy ratio in terms of number of varieties

[analog lily]

Yeah though will grand hunt bosses be actual bosses tho?

[misty whale]

so in 10 days, it's the 1000th day since the announcement
bet it releases then out of the blue

[analog lily]

In the trailer that is one of the types of quests

[misty whale]

if soul warrior is, then they will be

[analog lily]

Well until godhome soul warrior was considered a hard enemy

Or better, strong, not hard

[misty whale]

godhome really killed the vibe

[frigid geyser]

Grand Hunt aka canoniser of Rhinos

[analog lily]

Can’t wait to slaughter the puke bug

[misty whale]

everyone just making fun of someone till some cringy redditor bug declares them a god

[opaque sigil]

I mean boss/miniboss is kind of an arbitrary distinction in general, even if grand hunt targets aren't especially interesting they'll still probably be notable encounters

[misty whale]

I think grand hunts are gonna be hella fun

[opaque sigil]

Probably

[misty whale]

as long as they don't just straight up tell you where to find them

[frigid geyser]

I think quests (except item collecting ones) will be fun in general

Like The wayfarer one said "Haunted Museum" which just sounds awesome to explore

[misty whale]

maybe the item collecting ones will be unique in some way

and i'll take any excuse to see more of the world

[opaque sigil]

Even the gather quests probably won't be too bad, they seem like they might be a "keep an eye out for x" not a "drop everything and scour the world for x"

[misty whale]

oh you found a neat rock on your travels? I will buy it for 1000000 geo

i mean rosaries

[frigid geyser]

hopefully the guy who looks like lemm will be like him too

[opaque sigil]

I don't think an NPC like that will be necessary considering how the rosary strings work

[misty whale]

lemm says "sell me items" change my mind

[opaque sigil]

You don't have to redeem them at an NPC, you can just break them whenever

[frigid geyser]

wait how do they work

[opaque sigil]

You can either pay a fee to string up your rosaries or find them in the world, and then when you need rosaries you can break the strings. While strung, you can't lose them on death

So basically it's both a banking system and a relic system

[frigid geyser]

thats pretty neat

[analog lily]

Yeah, un strung roasaries will be lost on death permanently

[marsh ibex]

Prolly not

[opaque sigil]

Well whether it happens upon one or two deaths is somewhat unclear but it probably can happen

[analog lily]

Yeah it’s a little unclear, either non steung rosaries are gotten from the cocoon or strung ones only and non strung ones are gone permanently

[opaque sigil]

I don't think you would even need to recover strung ones

[frigid geyser]

Betting rn Church Keeper dies

[analog lily]

Yeah true, though if the second option (in which unstrung rosaries are lost permanently) you would cllect strung rosaries from the cocoon

[opaque sigil]

Not necessarily

The cocoon could serve just as spool restoration and silk gain

[analog lily]

True, but weird it would only appear on death

[opaque sigil]

Why? It's still part of the death mechanic

[analog lily]

True but on death in hk rhe last thing you really think about is getting lts of soul, so extra silk from the coccoon seems pretty weirs to me

[kindred cloak]

You guys still waiting for Silksong?

[jade canopy]

But it wouldn’t have any impact on gameplay then, like you could just die again to have the cocoon spawn closer to a bench

[opaque sigil]

Well the location would matter, and in reality there's nothing to suggest that rosaries would be lost permanently upon the first death

Like yeah the demo didn't do rosary recovery but there was no real reason for it to

[jade canopy]

Yeah I don’t see unstrung rosary not being in the cocoon

[analog lily]

Nothing really against it either, i mean all we can so for now is speculate

[jade canopy]

The death mechanic in hk really added so much tension to the game and how you explore I don’t see them not making a similar one

[opaque sigil]

Eh, I'm not a huge fan of how it kinda just forced you down the same path over and over

[stark estuary]

The Silk Cocoon transforms into a silk-clone of Hornet and she has to wrestle it, punch-out style in order to regain her rosaries.

[jade canopy]

That’s true but for me the feeling of being super far away from a bench and being really stress really added impact to whenever you found a bench or encountered some new ennemis

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it did help add weight to encounters, but it was kinda counterproductive to exploration imo

[stark estuary]

Yeah, it encouraged "playing it safe" and not straying far from benches in the fear of losing your accumulated income rather than being ambitious.

Especially since most players will die to something during their first visit to an area.

Like, enemies they don't know the patterns of etc

[jade canopy]

That’s true I left isma’s grove and it’s ability because it was too far away from a bench, and left ancien basin for much later in the game since I coundn’t by the map or the bench due to some, perticular money managing with a perticular fountain

[frigid geyser]

Just a random theory about tools: I think Red Tools are ones that are for attack or defense, blue tools are for movement (like a mantis claw type thing) and yellow tools are for accessing certain areas

oh and white tools are for silk abilities

[jade canopy]

And that why strung rosary will be the perfect system that solve everything and makes silksong a perfect game

[opaque sigil]

We don't know what blue and yellow tools do exactly but having equippable movement abilities would suck

Same for progression stuff

[analog lily]

I think blue are teamporary buffs and yellow are permanent (unless you unequip then)

[opaque sigil]

But having to equip things like claw would be awful

[ruby patrol]

everyone loves king soul, the charm that everyone definitely used

[jade canopy]

Especially if they take room for combat oriented stuff cough ori and the will of wisp

[frigid geyser]

I mean out of these blue charms its pretty vague, could be anything: but to me last one kinda looks like an apparatus

[opaque sigil]

Kingsoul is a one time thing and it at least is explicit about what to do with it

[stark estuary]

Yes, almost everyone did use KS in order to unlock VH, which is its intended purpose.

Its worthlessness as a charm is probably intentional, so people wouldn't keep it/miss it.

[ruby patrol]

which is okay if it’s permanent, like with void heart

[stark estuary]

It's a bad charm specifically because it isn't permanent

[ruby patrol]

but imagine in silksong you have to equip a certain item for a quest/story

filling a slot you could’ve used otherwise

[analog lily]

Tmg and nkg matches that so it could be possible

[ruby patrol]

sorry, what’s tmg?

[stark estuary]

Troupe Master Grimm

[analog lily]

Troupe mater grimm

[ruby patrol]

ah right

It feels weird not just calling him “grimm”

[stark estuary]

They're both "Grimm"

And TMG is quicker to type out anyway

[ripe trench]

I have a feeling team cherry is using silksong as a way to keep hk from dying, which prolly means they never gonna release it

[stark estuary]

Sorry, would you mind rephrasing that?

[ripe trench]

Yes

[stark estuary]

Oh, it was a typo, thanks

[ripe trench]

Yes sorry

[stark estuary]

Anyway, that definitely isn't a reasonable assumption.

[jade canopy]

Wait am I dumb or the search function (on phone) has been recently removed from the right tab and replaced by the, how is it called again, function that let you have multiple conversations in one channel

Or it has been changed like ages ago

[stark estuary]

Threads? I'm not on mobile but the search bar should probably be around the top right corner.

[ripe trench]

Im on mobile i dknt think threads exist lmao

[jade canopy]

Yeah idk I’m probably hallucinating

[ripe trench]

Typos Are very frequent in mobile :/

[jade canopy]

Also have a look a TTacco’s profil
I think he’s watching us

[opaque sigil]

That counter is way too low

[nimble fulcrum]

Hey guys. When was last news about ss?

[marsh ibex]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[tribal merlin]

yesterday. Graig told us that Riot games tried to buy part of TC

[nimble fulcrum]

No way man. Hope they'll refuse

[tribal merlin]

they did refuse

[nimble fulcrum]

Thank you!

[nimble fulcrum]

Are they still stable about financial part?

[opaque sigil]

Yeah they made a ton on HK

[marsh ibex]

of course

[tribal merlin]

yeah I don't have doubts about TCs financial state

[opaque sigil]

They're all probably millionaires, or at least were

That happens when you sell millions of copies of a game made by three guys

[ruby patrol]

instead of clicking to the right just look up

[frigid geyser]

is this a troll

[opaque sigil]

Is it really surprising that companies would try to buy TC or its IP

That's just common sense

[nimble fulcrum]

Glad to hear that
I've been stalking their site and twitter whole year
Got a little worried about the game

[frigid geyser]

dont worry, its never coming out

[tribal merlin]

#sk-discussion message

[frigid geyser]

I see

[opaque sigil]

Game's fine. They've been relatively quiet this year but that's just because they're busy with the game

[frigid geyser]

but wait a second, what do they mean part of team cherry? there are like max 5 people involved

[marsh ibex]

they mean TC would still own some of their shit

[tribal merlin]

part like in they take part of the ownership

[frigid geyser]

Oh that makes sense

[opaque sigil]

Would be a bad deal for TC though

[jade canopy]

Wait it actually wasn’t a troll

[tribal merlin]

dunnoh maybe Riot should've offered a website that doesn't go down when people visit it

[nimble fulcrum]

Not sure they have stocks at all

[frigid geyser]

Hollow Knight league of legends game

You get to play as Tuk

[tribal merlin]

I'd rather have them partly owned by FromSoftware
you got invaded by Graig#2516

[ruby patrol]

broken greenpath vessel: you have a 20 second timer before you die after respawnign

[frigid geyser]

That would be the only time i'd be partially ok if Team Cherry got bought, but even then it would be pretty lame

[opaque sigil]

The last thing you'd want is TC losing its autonomy

If they can't do what they want their talent as developers is squandered

[frigid geyser]

defo

[haughty brook]

I would rather see a collaboration than Team Cherry losing its indie status

[opaque sigil]

The last thing you see before you die

[ruby patrol]

losing “indie” status isn’t inherently bad, it’s just that it’s much more likely to become money-centric instead of, you know, good game design

[opaque sigil]

I mean for TC's approach to things being self-managed and self-sufficient is optimal

[tribal merlin]

if SS is a success, and it likely will be, they can do whatever they want after

like if they want to spend 5 years on a game about nail clipping then they could do that no problem

[opaque sigil]

It'd probably be a damn good game about nail clipping too

[frigid geyser]

team cherry epic

[tall hinge]

no u

[frigid geyser]

and I live in same place as them

[tribal merlin]

it really is just about good development, you can make a good game about just anything.
remember "papers, please"?

[ruby patrol]

after silksong gets released we might as well try and get the Kickstarter back up for hk and get those 4 abyss bosses

[frigid geyser]

zote playable character

[tribal merlin]

I think they said they'll take a break from HK universe after SS

[frigid geyser]

ps vita edition when

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, they talked a bit about having another game sorta "in the works"

[frigid geyser]

smh team cherry not giving us ps vita version

disappointed

I mean I think Team Cherry says no to most things in general

Dont quote me on this, but I think Leth said that Ari usually says no to most people who reach out to them who want to make stuff based on their game

probably true

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah they want to maintain control of the ip, that's understandable

[marsh ibex]

so that’s why they’re best buds with nintendo

[opaque sigil]

Nintendo doesn't own SS or anything

[tribal merlin]

they're not "best buds"
they're business associates at best

[opaque sigil]

Do we know whether TC or Nintendo came forward regarding a Switch release at launch?

[tribal merlin]

pretty sure that was TCs decision

[opaque sigil]

ig it'd be kinda weird for Nintendo to do that

[opaque sigil]

Yeah probably

One doesn't

[tribal merlin]

you make a contract
and they say "no"

[marsh ibex]

when two gamers take your joke statement seriously

[tribal merlin]

I saw your strikethrough font and chose to ignore it

[tall hinge]

i was just about to comment on that

dont worry joker, i got your joke

[stark estuary]

Bamboozled

[uncut citrus]

im back what yall talking about now?

[radiant wraith]

Silksong

[coarse leaf]

Intresting

[olive bobcat]

Nah HK sucks, bad game

[coarse leaf]

Maybe

[opaque sigil]

After SS it will

[coarse leaf]

If SS release before we're dead

[opaque sigil]

I mean I'm not in perfect health but I'm not on death's door so I like my chances

[olive bobcat]

Yeah you guys can have fun waiting ᶠᵃᵏᵉ

[uncut citrus]

it would suck to die before silksong comes out tho ._.

[tall hinge]

.....

[coarse leaf]

Imagine have a heart attack while you installing the game

[carmine sapphire]

Its been 4 years since silksong development started. Im sure Silksong will release somewhere in 2021

[tribal merlin]

not really

[coarse leaf]

Imagine have a heart attack while you installing the game

[uncut citrus]

yes but will we survive until 2022?

[opaque sigil]

SS could take longer to make than HK. HK was rushed and SS is a bigger game in the first place

[carmine sapphire]

I mean thats what google said

[uncut citrus]

you mean 2022? right?

[carmine sapphire]

Oh wait bruh

Ye i meant 2022

[opaque sigil]

TC probably didn't really start intensive work on SS until after godmaster imo

They could have been working on SS in the same capacity that they are currently working on their next game, just accumulating ideas

[coarse leaf]

Early or mid 2022

[uncut citrus]

yeah they started in 2017 but they did the DLC so they coudnt work that much on SIlksong

[tribal merlin]

google doesn't factor in that they
a) planned a $5 smol game then
b) didn't have their main SS coder until mid 2018
so you tell me if they did significant work in 2017...

[carmine sapphire]

Yee

[tribal merlin]

yeh plus the DLC and bug fixes

ofc

[opaque sigil]

It's only been three years since godmaster came out, so they can't have had more than that much time of exclusive development

[carmine sapphire]

But its still 2022 right

It kinda makes sense

[uncut citrus]

also idk if they say exacly when they realized it would be a real game but im pretty sure "starting working on silksong" still count the moment they thought it would be a dlc, so they started working on the actual game a bit later

[opaque sigil]

A lot of things "makes sense"

[tribal merlin]

there's no confirmed date for release

and don't even start with nvidia

[carmine sapphire]

ah yes

[uncut citrus]

but they could use some Hollow knight code and part of the forest of bone/bonebottom so that could have sped up silksong dev a bit

[tribal merlin]

no

it's not safe to assume they could use code from HK

[opaque sigil]

Maybe the concept for FoB, but they couldn't just copy/paste their work on it (which was probably pretty minimal, if any)

[carmine sapphire]

They said they used hollow knight assets/code in general for alot of things

[tribal merlin]

find me the quote where they say they use HK code for SS. I'm waiting

[carmine sapphire]

[uncut citrus]

dude

[opaque sigil]

Biggest potential time saves I can think of are a lack of engine change and their being more experienced developers but even then that doesn't mean the game'll be faster to make

[uncut citrus]

i've spent literally over 40 min looking for it

[tribal merlin]

thing is they got a new coder proficient at unity whereas before they had a guy complementing gamemaker code
I know I wouldn't want to inherit some autogenerated mess with spaghetti on top to build a new game on

[carmine sapphire]

It means silksong will release 14 seconds earlier

[uncut citrus]

im sure i hear it from leth but until i can find where i guess i cant say that

[nimble fulcrum]

Thats actually a miracle, they've managed to make hk without much bugs and so many cool mechanics

[carmine sapphire]

If anyone wants to watch a video that talks about silksong pointlessly i have it right here https://youtu.be/D40H5gbfAMo

[coarse leaf]

Bro HK is full of bugs

[tall hinge]

have people not realized that the hollow knight beta updates have been going on for almost a year now?

[opaque sigil]

If the argument is that the HK updates suggest something happening anytime soon it's pretty clearly flawed

[carmine sapphire]

What beta updates

[opaque sigil]

#hk-announcements

[carmine sapphire]

Yes thats what its saying

[tall hinge]

what else would this mean

[opaque sigil]

Then it's pretty clearly wrong because the same argument could be made eight months ago

[carmine sapphire]

I play on ps4 i dont get any updates

[opaque sigil]

TC was still working on them

[nimble fulcrum]

When I was playing it back at 2017, I found none. Just zero
And according to community, there is no game-breaking bugs either

[carmine sapphire]

It was a pun

[opaque sigil]

But there are a few. One particularly devastating one was actually fixed in one of the relatively recent updates

[nimble fulcrum]

And now I'm ashamed

[carmine sapphire]

damn

[tribal merlin]

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Updates_(Hollow_Knight)

[opaque sigil]

And while HK is generally a pretty smooth experience nothing is without bugs if you look hard enough

[tribal merlin]

there's quite a few "fixed" lines

[nimble fulcrum]

Factorio was fixing bugs every update

But game itself was hella smooth

[opaque sigil]

Watch an AG run and tell me that again with a straight face

[uncut citrus]

lol

[nimble fulcrum]

My point is, for such a small studio without coder, there was no stuff, that will explode your game. And then we have Cyberpunk, for example

[uncut citrus]

i still get that Absrad fight with the void rising bug but thats becasue i play on some sort of beta

[opaque sigil]

The beta was supposed to fix that

[carmine sapphire]

Ah yes

Cyberpunk

[opaque sigil]

Unless you mean you use an older version of the game

Cyberpunk is a product of the AAA nightmare scenario, indies generally shouldn't do that, at least not for the same reasons (and SS definitely won't)

ig indies could end up getting rushed out due to promises to the audience or limited funding, HK was, but TC now has all the funding in the world

And the freedom to not make those sorts of premature assurances

[tribal merlin]

partly due to not giving out information every few weeks

[jade canopy]

Indie can also have self imposed dead line and fail miserably to produce a game by that point, like no man sky

Or I guess that fells back to overhyped stuff

[tribal merlin]

which the CEO did regular interviews to speak about the game and promised a lot of stuff that wasn't in the game

[opaque sigil]

If the deadline is self imposed then idk what to say, you shouldn't have set an absolute deadline

[tribal merlin]

also didn't no man's sky get funded by Sony half way through?

[coarse leaf]

Wait no man's sky was indie?

[jade canopy]

I think so ?

[tribal merlin]

it was at the start of dev

but I think Sony picked them up
which didn't help in containing false hype

I assume Sony pressed for more public presence and updates, which turned out to be main reasons why the launch failed in the way it did

[coarse leaf]

That launch was a huge disaster

[opaque sigil]

NMS was a shame but there's not really much cause to expect something similar from SS

What systems they have advertised seem to be pretty reasonably well thought out and already implemented

It's not like tools are going to get cut or anything

[tribal merlin]

and they left themselves enough room with the implementation by not showing too much about the mechanisms involved

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, although I do think Edge kinda put a bit more weight on the customization systems

[tribal merlin]

like how it works exactly could change every 2 weeks and we wouldn't know on release

[opaque sigil]

And the things we do know with some specificity are things we know about because we saw them in the demo

[uncut citrus]

but even the demo might be different from the finished game

[opaque sigil]

While they can still be reworked they probably won't need to be totally overhauled

Like things about binding might change a bit but I don't see why its functionality would need to be fundamentally changed

[uncut citrus]

the deep docks might, seems really demo-like

[opaque sigil]

Yeah layout is another matter

Although tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the rooms in the demo are there in the final game, just not as the entirety of the area

Like I doubt the dock key would be where it is

[silver oak]

Yeah I’m the demo that “quest” was like 2 minutes long max

[coral carbon]

at this point i don’t care what they put in the game, it’s silksong and i’ll be happy when it comes out

[silver oak]

I’m sure I could change your mind about that first bit

[coral carbon]

[uncut citrus]

i think MG will be the same as its the first area, deep docks might be a bit diffrent if tbh if they add more rooms everywhere it looks like there a door it could look like an actual area

[opaque sigil]

MG could be the same, yeah, or at least the portion that's in the demo

[nimble fulcrum]

I just waiting for HK 2 with more parkour
But I have feeling, that the rest of community hyping for masterpiece

[silver oak]

Moss grotto feels a little short as well, though so was king’s pass

I just don’t think would put a required boss so early

[opaque sigil]

It's not like the MG in the demo is the entirety of the area

And I don't really see a problem with having the first boss there

[coral carbon]

yeah i’m super into parkour- to the point i download save files to replay pop, def could make tedious parkour bits more fun with the new acrobatic animations they added in

[opaque sigil]

FK wasn't that much further

[silver oak]

A big part of HK was the fact that so much of the game could be skipped

[opaque sigil]

That doesn't mean TC can't have the occasional mandatory fight

[silver oak]

I feel like having MM be required so early on feels off brand

[opaque sigil]

Especially in a section where the game has just begun and the progression hasn't branched yet, idk why they wouldn't make it mandatory.

Everything you do at that stage is

[formal karma]

Also people need to learn boss fighting.....

Staggers and such....

This might be someone's first rodeo

[uncut citrus]

i mean you gotta fight false knight to get the first spell to get to the second area (ik you can skip False knight but like any new player wont

[opaque sigil]

And it could serve as an intro to the death mechanic if you die there once, especially since there's a bench right there

[proud vale]

Yeah true, I definitely don't thing MM will be where they were in the demo.. I can imagine alot of people raging and not picking the game back up

[opaque sigil]

I disagree, if that sort of fight is going to dissuade you from the game altogether you aren't going to play it anyways, why does it matter whether that happens 10 minutes in or 20

[coral carbon]

actually i’m not sure if there will be staggers- the game is super fast paced hence the 3 mask heal mechanic in an instant

[tall hinge]

already in the christmas spirit i see, and only one day after halloween at that!

[opaque sigil]

There are staggers, or at least were in the demo

Staggers work a bit differently though, they end after a short time, not after the boss gets hit/a long time

[coral carbon]

ooh probs forgot that bit

[formal karma]

We know there are staggers and its important to lean because it's fast passed

[nimble fulcrum]

I afraid, that ss will be a very bad first rodeo for someone not familiar with precision platforming

[opaque sigil]

MG eases you in a bit

[proud vale]

I'm in the christmas spirit all year pal, it's only past november do I truly get to show it

[coral carbon]

imagine ss version of PoP

[shell yacht]

HASHE SORI YO

[opaque sigil]

HK was the first real platformer I'd played, at least in a long time, and it was pretty manageable with some patience. TC does a good job of teaching you the skills you need to play the game

[carmine sapphire]

Oh sweet jesus

[shell yacht]

cant wait

[coral carbon]

i wonder what sick obsession the creator of ss pop will have

[fiery coral]

bells

[proud vale]

I think you're overestimating the power of first impressions here, if someone absolutely can't do much of anything because of a hard boss then they'll drop the game. But if you feed them small victories in the form of exploration before a boss, then they're more likely to stick around and trust that they can accomplish bigger feats

[opaque sigil]

Hornet has saws, spikes, thorn balls, and flying familiar tools. Conclusion? Hornet doesn't have a PoP, Hornet is the PoP

[coral carbon]

ding dong whoops knocked you off again lol soz not soz

[opaque sigil]

Fair enough, ig

[fiery coral]

it'll be Tom Nook

[shell yacht]

bell parkour, if you use graple you ring a bell, summoning enemies. dont ring the bell
welcome to SSs PoP

[coarse leaf]

Don't make me regret from buying the game

[opaque sigil]

MM is featured in the same area in the trailer though, so it's not like she was just placed there with the demo in mind

[coral carbon]

woah maybe like, grapple onto a bell, and you have to have the correct timing to let go as the bell swings to the other side

[shell yacht]

DONT RING THE BELL

[opaque sigil]

But ig some rooms could be inserted or smth

[shy kiln]

🔔 🔨

[proud vale]

True but as we know so so much can change between trailer and actual game, I think the boss was so close in the demo so that they could get a quick throughput of people actually playing it

[coral carbon]

i can’t wait for glitches where hornet repeatedly shrieks shaw
edit: /s

[shy kiln]

I can

[opaque sigil]

Perhaps, but she'd still be pretty early on

[harsh pendant]

So, what is everyone’s release date guess? I think Christmas

[proud vale]

ear bleed percent

[coral carbon]

ah lovely

[proud vale]

Oh yeah quite early on for sure but you gotta ease 'em into the action

[languid linden]

I'm hopeful for winter break

[shy kiln]

Not an actual date, just on or before 23:59:59 of 31st December 2022

[proud vale]

Feb!

[trim estuary]

Judging by all previous TC games, probably buzzsaws

[opaque sigil]

MG might be bigger in the final game (I certainly hope it is) but either way MM's at the end of it

[coral carbon]

i’m still hoping around the feb placeholder date

[tall hinge]

probably early-mid 2022

[trim estuary]

December 21st

[ember geode]

Oddly specific

[tall hinge]

so a year from now?

[harsh pendant]

Fascinating. I wonder if this consensus is justified or just hopeful

[opaque sigil]

They just don't think it'll be in 2023 or beyond

[shy kiln]

You can say that

[ember geode]

You can’t say that twice

[opaque sigil]

that
that

[shy kiln]

I did not

[harsh pendant]

How long did hollow knight take to develop anyway?

[tall hinge]

no like, this december is december 2021, next year's december is december 2022, so did you mean this december or next year's december

[ember geode]

3 years I think? Probably a lot more

[shy kiln]

December 2022

[tall hinge]

4 years

[opaque sigil]

Like 4.5 years or smth in total, but SS probably won't take the same amount of time

[shell yacht]

dec 25 2099

[ember geode]

Yeah cause they already have the budget for it

[harsh pendant]

Huh, so Silksong isn’t even in the red yet.

[tall hinge]

ok! you just said "you could say that" so i thought you meant something else

[opaque sigil]

The circumstances are just entirely different

[proud vale]

Powdered are you here only to sow chaos and add to Taco's counter?

[shy kiln]

It will probably take longer, considering they want to put more content in it

[opaque sigil]

HK was rushed, had less budget, was a smaller game

[pallid flare]

what counter?

[uncut citrus]

ther will probably be hard parkour but not at the start, otherwise ppls will fail and rage quit or just not have enough fun to keep playing, so the first areas probably wont have too hard parkour

[proud vale]

The unoriginal joke counter

[opaque sigil]

TC did say that combat got more development than platforming

[tall hinge]

[coral carbon]

shush i cried at the parkour that takes you to brooding mawlek and ended up with a shade skip

[harsh pendant]

Not necessarily. They have money and programming base done. If they take longer to develop silksong than hollow knight then it will have A LOT more content.

[pallid flare]

hi pitta

[tall hinge]

who is pitta?

[shy kiln]

I have heard they that in SS they will put about the same content as HK+ the DLC packs (all 4) in base game

[uncut citrus]

why would you

[shell yacht]

wdym unoriginal, i started the 2099 thing years ago

[pallid flare]

don't know

[opaque sigil]

Gibson says they’ve perhaps leant slightly more into detailing combat over platforming, due to heavy Hornet’s reduced “hang time” in the air, and her natural huntress proficiencies
There'll still be platforming but I wouldn't expect it to be expanded much beyond HK's

[shell yacht]

mmm tasty typo

[tall hinge]

i only know pizza

[uncut citrus]

did you do that parkour with nail jumps?

[pallid flare]

hi pizza

[tall hinge]

hey pyro

[harsh pendant]

Can Horner nail jump?

[opaque sigil]

She can do something similar

[ember geode]

Silksong has a grapple, immediately making it an instantly better game

[shy kiln]

Also like, will there be a Dash in Siksog?

[carmine sapphire]

Needle jump

[blazing geyser]

Horner Simpson can, Hornet may not be able to, we dont know

[harsh pendant]

Needle bounce*

[uncut citrus]

you heard that from where? i dont remeber anything like that

[shy kiln]

From #hk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

It's probably going to be more

[uncut citrus]

hornet can do some kind of dash that also allow her to sprint

[blazing geyser]

Oh right she dive bounces on the skull dudes

[ember geode]

It looked really smooth

[harsh pendant]

That looked so cute in the demo

[shell yacht]

PARKOUR

[ember geode]

Im looking forward for the more fast paced gameplay and enemies

[shy kiln]

PARKOUR

[uncut citrus]

cant wait to play around enemies with eedle jumps and sprint dashes

[opaque sigil]

Especially the smarter enemies

[ember geode]

Like sheo?

[uncut citrus]

yea like enemies that their attacks are like bosses attack, unless they have way less health ofc

[coral carbon]

not sure which one you’re talking about- most hk parkours had nail jumps

[opaque sigil]

The one before brooding mawlek

[harsh pendant]

Are there actually bosses that react to you? Instead of just attacking at you?

[uncut citrus]

the one to Mawlek

[coral carbon]

yep that one

[shy kiln]

Just get claw

[opaque sigil]

Lace will dodge you and deflect straight pins

[uncut citrus]

your supposed to use the claw...

[harsh pendant]

Not in silksong I mean

[shy kiln]

What does the latter mean?

[ember geode]

In hollow knight there’s sheo

[uncut citrus]

i mean i did it with nailjumps so Skill issue ig

[opaque sigil]

If you throw a straight pin at her she can knock it aside

[harsh pendant]

Throwing knives

[coral carbon]

looks like i was cool to be able to do that without a claw-

[proud vale]

I wonder if every boss has a discrete weapon deflection animation

[harsh pendant]

Sheo reacts?

[shy kiln]

Tell that to 4 mask shard speedrunners

[shy kiln]

A ranged parry?

[tawdry valley]

Probably just the ones with a sword type weapon

[opaque sigil]

Lace kinda just used the same animation she does for the quick strike

[ember geode]

If you hit him he’ll back off and start attacking you and what not.

[coral carbon]

watcher knights roll back sobbing

[shy kiln]

That is Sheo’s regular pattern?

[coral carbon]

[ember geode]

It happens to me a lot, but idk if it’s his actual AI pattern

[uncut citrus]

but there way more spoiler in this channel than in the demo casue we analyze the stuff and also talk about edge magazin and interview so what are you doing here if you dont want spoil

[opaque sigil]

At the end of the day all bosses and enemies boil down to attacking and moving, it's how they do those things that's important

[shy kiln]

He backs off after his own attack

[ember geode]

Oh makes sense

[coral carbon]

me when ss comes out

[shy kiln]

I found Zote in your PFP

[harsh pendant]

All of us I guess

[ember geode]

ok imma try something

[uncut citrus]

succeeding from suffer?

[opaque sigil]

He's not hidden

[ember geode]

Hello

[pallid flare]

Silksong delayed:

[ember geode]

Ok so pinging gamerAZ will cause me to get snailed, got it

[shy kiln]

Without clicking in your profile; plus I am on mobile rn
Spare me

[shy kiln]

Good

[uncut citrus]

oh no even when i escape Hk-memes i get hk memes

[opaque sigil]

Lace is definitely a step up from HK bosses overall, although MM is kinda unremarkable but being a first boss she can't really be all that complex

[shy kiln]

Any way I gotta go now; bye guys

[uncut citrus]

bye

[ember geode]

Is MM that giant robot guy?

[uncut citrus]

Moss Mother

[coral carbon]

from what i (personally) picked up from the dialogue- lace will be to hornet what hornet was to ghost

[ember geode]

[opaque sigil]

Here's Lace parrying a straight pin in case anybody was curious

[harsh pendant]

Sister?

[coral carbon]

no not really- a bit of a recurring boss, sort of points you to the right direction, won’t directly make you into kebab but will test your strength to see if you’re worthy of moving to the next area

[opaque sigil]

I mean Lace isn't exactly reticent about trying to kill Hornet

[harsh pendant]

Soooo, sister?

[fiery coral]

maybe don't

[harsh pendant]

Go put yourself in horny jail. Hornet is underage.

[coral carbon]

sister or not sister nothing will stop us in the actual game, less so the people in the forbidden subreddit

[opaque sigil]

Female character: Exists
Internet: "Is this a waifu?"

[uncut citrus]

i mean we really dont know but lets change subject

[fiery coral]

[carmine sapphire]

Do you guys think we will have a tool to read peoples mind?

[opaque sigil]

Probably not

[carmine sapphire]

:(

[coral carbon]

hmm we might get smth cooler thoe

dunno what

[uncut citrus]

i hope but yea,probably not

[coral carbon]

but my gamer senses tell me we shall be enlightened

[uncut citrus]

if its gamer senses then i guess you must be right

[coral carbon]

[harsh pendant]

Hornet might have ghosts dream nail

[coral carbon]

casually pats down sibling’s corpse

ah what a nice nail. i’ll take that.
what’s this? a destroyed flower?
at least this doesn’t concern them anymore

delicate flower quest ptsd

[uncut citrus]

but thats only if its a sequel, and also depending on the ending im not sure how it would work and since TC said all endings are canon...

[coral carbon]

peeks at sealed siblings ending

[opaque sigil]

That one works

She doesn't really have a need for the dream nail anyways

[harsh pendant]

Everyone needs a dreamnail

[opaque sigil]

Unlike the purely ephemeral, god-created Knight, Gibson reminds us, Hornet is also halfbug. “And what that means is – and this perhaps happened automatically just through development – she’s much more physical, and the world as a result is more physical. So there are less glowy orb things, and magic bursts of light, and many more blades and traps.”
And it would be contradictory to the intended feel

[nimble fulcrum]

Are there even a dreams in Farloom?

[opaque sigil]

Yes

Dreams are universal even if you can't cross the veil

And Seth seems to have some dream stuff going on

[uncut citrus]

i mean what do we know? maybe there will be some kind of dream entity in pharloom as well most Higher beings seems to be connected to dream (or nightmare for NH) Essence so it would be kinda wierd there no dream related stuff in pharloom

[opaque sigil]

Essence is still a thing even if Hornet doesn't use it herself

And not all HBs are related to essence, nor is there really a guarantee there are any in Pharloom

[uncut citrus]

im pretty sure there wont be much dream stuff in pharloom but when you think about it thats kinda weird with all the random dream stuff in HK

[opaque sigil]

Hallownest had a faction that could cross the veil

And the plot of HK was pretty inextricably linked to the dream expanse

[tribal merlin]

HK story was centered around a dream monster so unsurprisingly dreams played a major role.
I doubt that'll be the case in SS

[ember geode]

Nah bro he’s tired

[nimble fulcrum]

Hallownest had former ruler hidden in dreams and whole kingdom was infested through them
And Pharloom is more physical place

[ember geode]

Ok I got fooled once again by the transparent background

[uncut citrus]

ik i said most, well i didnt count them but when i think HB i think essence.

[opaque sigil]

Well that's not really accurate

[nimble fulcrum]

It adds to meme-value

[tawdry valley]

Pharloom has just as much of a dreamworld as hallownest does

[uncut citrus]

otherwise the dark bed frame wouldnt be really visible with discord dark them so thats good, unless you use light theme

[tawdry valley]

Whether the Dream realm will be as significant to the story is a variable

[nimble fulcrum]

What is your source?

[opaque sigil]

The Troupe is pretty clear evidence that dreams don't only exist in Hallownest

[harsh pendant]

Bugs dream and think

Even nearly mindless ones

[tribal merlin]

well it can be assumed the dreamworld isn't just local to hallownest.
but I think TC won't go "yeah it took us more than 4 years, here's dreams again"

[uncut citrus]

yeah im talking about like warrior dreams, Nkg, and other random stuff that isnt really related to the fact radiance was a ream god and they fought her with dreamers stuff

anyways brb

[opaque sigil]

Those only appeared when TK had a means of accessing the dream expanse, Hornet could just not see them

[nimble fulcrum]

We are talking not about actual presence of dreams, but about relevance of them is SS game

Of course troupe suggest, that they are worldwide or something

[blazing geyser]

Well they aren't gonna have much relevance likely, but that doesnt mean they dont exist in the world

[tawdry valley]

The definition and nature of the dreamworld, the grimm troupe, silk magic

[nimble fulcrum]

So, do they have dream-dedicated tribe and powerful god with looming presence on real world?

[opaque sigil]

Y’all are arguing different things

[tawdry valley]

Maybe? I’m arguing the dreamworld is not hallownest exclusive, as it’s been defined as a physical/metaphysical mechanism in the imaginary insect wizard universe

We have yet to see how dreams preside in pharloom, or if we will even interact with them. This does not make the manipulation of dreams or the existence of the dreamworld any less canonical when swapping kingdoms

[nimble fulcrum]

#sk-discussion message

[opaque sigil]

They exist whether they’re prominent or not

[tawdry valley]

Then we are yet to know

[nimble fulcrum]

Darn. I was hoping for some inside

[uncut citrus]

we dont talk about that

we dont talk about that either

[pallid flare]

I mean

you can beat the game at 14% if you know how

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[uncut citrus]

imma pro gamer obv

[pallid flare]

wow

[uncut citrus]

we dont talk about the fact i mention fighting abs rad just a couple hours ago in this channel

wait no i just realized to see your % you must reach THK so it doesnt even work

[pallid flare]

it does work

[coral carbon]

everybody’s talking about getting the highest % but nobody’s talking about getting the lowest

[uncut citrus]

i mean yea if your a pro gamer which i totally am

[pallid flare]

i actually got 14% as a bet

[coral carbon]

me who doesn’t bet

[uncut citrus]

i mean the lowest% speedrun is still pretty popular, more than 0geo at least ._.

[coral carbon]

yipes, first time i’m hearing

might watch a speedrun of it, it’s probs fun

[uncut citrus]

anyways its this SS discussion?

[proud vale]

no

[tall hinge]

welcome to ss-offtopic my friend

[proud vale]

[uncut citrus]

aight then about that highest geo speedrun

dunno really how would that work, the geo limit is probably at like 10M or smth

[coral carbon]

yipes

[wooden sorrel]

Who SS

[languid linden]

me

I ate ss

[wooden sorrel]

Y

[languid linden]

I was hungry

[wooden sorrel]

:(

[uncut citrus]

you hungry knight

[wooden sorrel]

What new bugs do you guys wanna see in SS

[uncut citrus]

young bug

[tribal copper]

dragonhead catterpillar

[uncut citrus]

fr i wanna see some of the cool kind of bug there was at the spirit glade

[languid linden]

There are like 30 different kinds of bugs in the spirit glade

Which one are you talking about

[chilly nexus]

a boss/bug that has some sort of camo or iridescence could be cool

[fiery coral]

iridescence is a cool word

[pallid flare]

use it next unique

[uncut citrus]

those one are the one i find the most interesting or that looks cool but there also other that would be nice to see what their kind is like

[narrow eagle]

is it out yet?

[uncut citrus]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[languid linden]

Take a guess

[fiery coral]

Might add it to the pile

[uncut citrus]

[formal karma]

And then there's the variants of that question....

[nimble fulcrum]

This is tradeoff for not build the hype

[narrow eagle]

maybe if somebody asks it'll eventually be answered with a "yes".

[tranquil igloo]

naaaaaahhhh bro this is ss-speedrunning

[nimble fulcrum]

Yes, but on EG store

[narrow eagle]

team cherry running the never-ever%. world record holders.

[tranquil igloo]

Yes.

[uncut citrus]

it did, but as a joke

[narrow eagle]

Epicgames only on PC and Switch only for consoles.

[coarse leaf]

Can someone send me the EDGE screenshots???

[tribal merlin]

I think they're in the pinned

[coarse leaf]

oh thats right thanks

[uncut citrus]

Do you like my nails little wanderer? I carry only three, far less than legends may suggest

Still! Each is sharper than the last and I'd require only one to cut you down.

Aren't my nails the most wonderful things? Their gleaming blades so sharp and deadly.

its the Hundred Nail Warrior

[chilly nexus]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[chilly nexus]

oof

(jk, it's fine)

[marsh ibex]

Actual dialogue

[trim estuary]

Yes?

[pallid flare]

no way

[silver oak]

Omg slikslogn is out!!!???!???!??

[uncut citrus]

yse!!!

[languid linden]

Yes!

[pallid flare]

Yes...?

[trim estuary]

Si señor

[silver oak]

Frantically checks the blog

[oblique cape]

silksong

[silver oak]

No

[oblique cape]

[silver oak]

Cool story

[pallid flare]

what was silksong again

[oblique cape]

just this

you open the game and it's just a png of hongryhornet

[cerulean sable]

cry about it

[fiery coral]

4 years well spent

[lean rampart]

does that word even exist

[pallid flare]

no

[trim estuary]

We will make it exist

[silver oak]

My life has meaning

[fiery coral]

[silver oak]

I would be fine if it was :tcarrivewithspaghetti: instead of

[nimble fulcrum]

Silksong when

[fallen void]

Just bit over month left until the February release date is announced at Game Awards!

[trim estuary]

You mean the December 21st release date?

[fallen void]

Nah. It's coming out on February.

[trim estuary]

[fallen void]

This I know.

[trim estuary]

This you think.

[fallen void]

Maybe they'll trick us all, and it'll be before Silksong.

[trim estuary]

Fearless Fsoon

[silver oak]

Silksong is their 4th game

[coarse leaf]

I would kill for a Game Awards announcement but I highly doubt it 😔😔

[trim estuary]

I thought it was their fifth

[silver oak]

Hungry Knight, Tomb Cat, Hollow Knight, Silksong

[trim estuary]

What about the fish buzz saw game

[silver oak]

That was just made by William

Ari and the others weren't involved

[trim estuary]

Yeah well Jack didn’t help make hungry knight

[pallid flare]

fearful fox

[opaque sigil]

Jack didn't help make the majority of HK either

[silver oak]

terrified tiger

[trim estuary]

Fearful of silksong fox

[fallen void]

But hey! At least there will be Crowsworn!

[cunning geode]

debatable

[silver oak]

Crowsworn as a minigame in Silksong

[trim estuary]

Crowsworn is silksong

Yes

[silver oak]

You can play it for free on newgrounds

It's pretty bad

[upbeat pulsar]

No it was their original game

[trim estuary]

Amogus

[fallen void]

It actually is where the design of the knight originally came from.

[trim estuary]

🚘

[silver oak]

^ this design

[opaque sigil]

[pallid flare]

is new?

[opaque sigil]

No, but nobody ever uses it

[stark estuary]

For good reason

[opaque sigil]

It's an abomination

[trim estuary]

ITS NOT CHRISTMAS YET

[opaque sigil]

To rail against the time after Halloween is folly, all things must accept a December

(but yeah people are crazy about this stuff)

[stark estuary]

I'm the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come also I was peer pressured into changing my pfp

[marsh ibex]

hehe

[opaque sigil]

And you folded like a paper towel

[stark estuary]

I accept the inevitability of it.

[sacred stratus]

ahh #sk-discussion cringe as I remember it. it's good to be back

[stark estuary]

Also I needed an excuse to give Zote a santa hat

[trim estuary]

Hey at least we’re not as cringe as, say, #hk-discussion or even #hk-meme

[copper knot]

ITS NOVEMBER

[trim estuary]

OH NO

[sacred stratus]

well you got a point. and I got a hollow point

[copper knot]

WAIT HOLY FUCK ITS NOVEMBER? WE ALMOST FINISHED 2021?

[pallid flare]

something about christmas time

[opaque sigil]

[copper knot]

WHAT THE FUCK ITS ACTUALLY NOVEMBER

[trim estuary]

Prepare for 2023

[stark estuary]

November, the month after October and before December.

[copper knot]

WHAT THE FUCK I AM GROWING OLD WHAT THE FUCK NEXT YEAR 2022? IM STILL STUCK IN 2019

[sacred stratus]

every Christian 0.00000001 seconds after Halloween is over: "it's Christmas time!"

[pallid flare]

all I want for christmas is you

[trim estuary]

False

[stark estuary]

COVID moment

[trim estuary]

Spontaneously combust

[copper knot]

what the actual fuck tho its almost 2022?

[sacred stratus]

you are right, it happens 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds after Halloween is over

[copper knot]

i prefer halloween tbh

christmas feels overrated

halloween:
-cosplay month
-spooky
-cool
-spooky scary skeletons good song
-autumn (best season)
-satan (cool man!)

christmas:
-generic santa or deer outfit (cringe)
-not spooky
-uncool
-all i want for christmas bad song
-winter (too cold)
-jesus (no)

[pallid flare]

yeah but my birthday is around christmas time so screw you

[copper knot]

bruh

[opaque sigil]

I mean both holidays are commercialized ad nauseam

[stark estuary]

Christmas is better, that's why Jack Skellington tried to steal it.

[tawdry valley]

Halloween has always been more fun that Christmas for me, but Christmas has also been culturally more significant

[copper knot]

i prefer halloween

[tawdry valley]

I’m close with family members I exclusively see on the Christmas holiday

[pallid flare]

christmas has this feel, you know?

halloween is this one day thing but christmas takes up the whole month

[tawdry valley]

And yeah, both have that vibe

[tawdry valley]

Well, so does Halloween.

[opaque sigil]

Halloween is everywhere all the time for the entire month of October

[pallid flare]

hm

okay I think this depends on where you're from

[warm bone]

I’m not christian but I celebrate Christmas anyway because gifts are cool

[pallid flare]

no it's not about the gifts

[jade canopy]

Like in most of Europe Halloween is really small

[pallid flare]

okay it's about the gifts

[glossy gazelle]

I don't have a good thanksgiving pfp yet so h

[copper knot]

we dont celebrate halloween here but i still prefer halloween sooo

halloween is cosplay month! ayee

[tawdry valley]

Out of respect for the Americans who literally get 3 days off a year, I’ll figure out a grievous turkey pfp

Nvm, figured it out already

[opaque sigil]

Why the spoiler tag

[tired lake]

Contains Hollow Knight true ending

[silver oak]

Presidential pardon no more

[copper knot]

imagine getting presents on christmas

6 year old me got literally a shitton of presents
17 year old me got nothing

i dont wanna grow up :(

[serene patrol]

Imagine imagining

Imagine SS on xmas day btw holy

[silver oak]

go to neverland

[coarse leaf]

never

[supple widget]

Halloween is barely present on the actual day of Halloween in Ireland

[opaque sigil]

Lucky

[supple widget]

No

Halloween is amazing and we don't get to celebrate it

[opaque sigil]

Maybe it's amazing if it isn't thrown in your face constantly

[coarse leaf]

yh i had more trick or treaters before halloween than on the day for some reason

[copper knot]

i wish halloween isnt known as the "devil's holiday"

because satan is cool guys why do yall hate him :(

i bet satan gets lonely

[full rune]

always Bolting back and forth for candy and kids is so exhausting. At least today is a good day to Recover

[glossy gazelle]

I'm...not gonna go there

[copper knot]

what

[opaque sigil]

Turn off the lights and hide

[copper knot]

just be the trick and treater

[opaque sigil]

ew gross walking

[copper knot]

who cares if you are an adult trick or treating is fun

[opaque sigil]

But then I would have to wear a costume and stuff and I just can't be bothered

[tawdry valley]

The only requirement for trick or treating as an adult is a better costume

[full rune]

Just bring a knife and when they answer you can say you've come for their Arturies

[opaque sigil]

If I can't be bothered to make a shoddy costume why would I be willing to make a better one

[copper knot]

i remember my (now ex) gf wore a crying laughing face (this one: 😂) mask for halloween and carried fidget spinners

[tawdry valley]

Teenager with a bedsheet over their head? Gtfo Timmy with his plastic hockey mask wants a dentist appointment

[copper knot]

and kept dabbing n shit

yeah it was when fidget spinners were cool

[glossy gazelle]

I was a creeper one year

[copper knot]

bruh

i wore a cat hoodie for halloween once

a true catboy

[mild loom]

same. but all i had was a green shirt and a box with the creeper head sprite on it- however it was made for adults, so it kept bouncing around and i ended up taking it off and i cried

[full rune]

I went as zemer after you've done the flower quest

[mild loom]

damn

[tawdry valley]

Ectoplasm

[copper knot]

my dad also did that!

[supple widget]

I went as "commitment" with my boyfriend. It was a good joke

[copper knot]

hey i mean shes a good gf

its just that we were like- 13

and realised "yeah this aint gonna work out"

[real fulcrum]

i know people ask this all the time ,but when is silksong coming out?

[coarse leaf]

Praying for February

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[glossy gazelle]

I wonder how many times ?sspsa has been used

[tawdry valley]

Yeah if only there was some kind of discord utility that could search keywords and then present and tally the results.

[glossy gazelle]

1392 results

[tawdry valley]

Now how did you do that?

[jade canopy]

That’s not that much really

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah i was expecting a bit more

[tawdry valley]

Considering it’s been nearly 1000 days since reveal, that’s on average ~1.4 times a day.

And that’s not even how many times people have asked, that’s just how many times people have asked without checking pins, and gotten a response that used SSPSA

[jade canopy]

Compare that to the number of time Mickely (a mod staff) has told people to check the pins

[summer kindle]

sspsa was made in 2020 wasnt it

oh i forgot to change my nickname back

[coarse leaf]

6:21 21st of June omg confirmed 100%

[silver oak]

No keep it, it's my pin

[tawdry valley]

Yeah that too

[silver oak]

hahahahahaha4332-221-223hahahahahahha884ahahahahahaha

[summer kindle]

alright

[trim estuary]

Probably December 21st maybe

[coarse leaf]

Yes

[mild loom]

silksong is a myth

[silver oak]

I guess I'm replying to this message too

[shy stirrup]

whats the #1 thing you guys want ss to improve on from hk

[mild loom]

more interesting combat

[shy stirrup]

yeah that'll probably happen\

[mild loom]

i’m excited for the tool system, it seems interesting

[shy stirrup]

definitely

[cyan tartan]

Fewer annoying bosses

[mild loom]

hk was really just your nail, and your three spells, it wasn’t that interesting

yeah, but some more options wouldn’t be awful

in hk, there’s spells and your nail, and you could plan a build accordingly, i think it would be cool to have new types. like in this case a different type of tool, ig it would be like a class system

hk combat wasn’t bad by far tho, i liked it a lot, and it fit the story

[cunning geode]

they played it safe by keeping the combat very down-to-earth

which is great for what they were going for

[mild loom]

yeah, and if you didn’t like spells you could always just use your nail

i won’t be mad if they don’t make the combat more complicated either, i think switching it to the tools is going to be enough either way

[radiant perch]

im a little bit late but bosses, sure the hollow knight bosses are cool but i think more bosses like pure vessel or sister of battle would be cool since hornet heals so fast

[cyan tartan]

The combat does get a lot of depth out of the simple systems though.

[mild loom]

and in the trailer the sheer amount of tools we saw was great

[cyan tartan]

16 Hp

[versed hull]

Does anyone know when the next Nintendo direct is

[mild loom]

ehhhh not all of them lol, sly was a jerk in the pantheons

[radiant perch]

god i found sly harder than pure vessel

[mild loom]

he was just annoying to figure out, when i got my strat down i was able to do it

Zote is also an ass

he’s supposed to be tho, you can slowly start predicting it better

[radiant perch]

ngl, i found zote easy, but when he was at max level i just said "frick it" and just put furry of the fallen, study body, strength and other charms that help me to maximize the dmg

wait that about p3, still found him easy

[mild loom]

same, it was hella easy the first like, 5 levels, the rest took a few tries

[radiant perch]

ya, after i escaped from all the lag i manage to beat him like 7-8 time in a row, till he started to deal 8 dmg

ngl, i kinda wanna try to see how hornet would feel like in hollow knight

[mild loom]

god, i had a radabsrad attempt that i died right at the start of the climb phase, bc she decided to spawn an orb barrage before she teleported up, i lagged and bashed my face right into one

[serene chasm]

lots of hitting her head

[mild loom]

i cant imagine how she feels while walking around and stuff during thk game

we see her so many times, and i’ve always wondered how the even TALLER characters make it around

like how tf salubra getting around

she rolls

[radiant perch]

b a r o o m , anyways back from what i wanted to say

[balmy carbon]

how does nailsmith get outta that door

chonk

[coarse leaf]

cloth just straight up digs i think

[mild loom]

the screen goes black when he does leave, maybe he just teleports 😭

[balmy carbon]

dang

[mild loom]

yeah, we see that in game, but i doubt salubra gets out much

[radiant perch]

i wonder what u can use with that down dash that hornet have, like u can use it to bounce off enemies and bells but can u use it on spikes too? or from stuff the bg that u can break? when can u start moving? at the start? when the animation end? in the middle? so many question for that

[radiant perch]

i mean doesn't salubra thinks that everyone is still alive?

[balmy carbon]

none of them will ever be answered because silknever

[mild loom]

yeahhhh, she’s either stupid, or didn’t get much business in the first place, cuz i mean, there’s no one around to shop at her place

i’ve always wondered why certain people didn’t get corrupt, like hornet and lemm

and especially milibelle

do they explain that?

[serene chasm]

its a game

[radiant perch]

don't worry, she just stole the light that was about to corrupt her

[coarse leaf]

hornet is like half a pale being, so maybe that?

[serene chasm]

also Salubra doesnt leave her hut. She has no idea that anything is happening out there

[coarse leaf]

me during covid

[mild loom]

ig, but still lemm lmao, he walks around, we can see that when he’s by the fountain

he’d just seem like one to say “fuck you” to the virus and it leaves him tf alone

[obsidian juniper]

X2 till like 3 weeks ago

[serene chasm]

me always

[coarse leaf]

maybe its like the strongest wills? we kinda see that with sherma

myla i mean

[mild loom]

makes sense, that would explain Dung Defender too ig, but idk about Milibelle 💀

and idk if milibelle has mantis claw and stuff, how she getting around all the way through fungal wastes to city, without getting destroyed by the enemies, and being able to get across the land 😩

[coarse leaf]

yh milibelle is a bit of an anomaly i guess

[mild loom]

she’s just a figment of our imagination

[coarse leaf]

represents the greed within us

[frozen osprey]

i feel that salubra is maybe crazy like the pale lurker she is just laughing all the time and even with no customers she doesnt bother to look outside

[primal nest]

laughing gas

[radiant perch]

i saw a theory that says that the thing inside salubra store seems to be gas and most likely laughing gas, idk how true that is

[primal nest]

I heard that that gas

might be made from the flowers at eternal emelitia

as she is also laughing without carrign that everyone she ever knew is dead

maybe they make the person in the gas into a state of not carrign about anythign outside their bubble

[mild loom]

drugs

[frozen osprey]

yeah i saw that too. kids drugs can save you from the infection!

[serene chasm]

dont do charms, kids

[dapper vine]

please do

[mild loom]

maybe insane people just don’t get infected, pale lurker, salubra, and Emilitia

hornet and lemm are strong minded, so are the mantises

[primal nest]

i mena we dont know if salubra is infected

insane sorry lol

[mild loom]

she definitely seems pretty wack tho

[primal nest]

i mean maybe its the fumes

also dont forget the nail masters dont get infected

[mild loom]

yeah, which i mean, legally would make her under the influence, so some sort of insanity is there

[primal nest]

same with zote but he does say he doesnt dream exlanation for not beign infected

[mild loom]

you could say they are also pretty strong minded, they are often seen doing meditations and stuff

[primal nest]

what about cloth

[mild loom]

yeah she’s different, i wouldn’t call her insane or particularly strong minded

[primal nest]

agreed

also what about the knight why doesnt he get infected

[serene chasm]

Most bugs from outside of Hallownest dont get infected. It does seem that the infection does affect those with more simple minds (Like the husk bugs) more than others.

[mild loom]

quirrel just recently got to hollownest, it’s cannon that he got there around the same time as the knight, does it ever say about when cloth got there?

[primal nest]

i dont think

[mild loom]

the knight and quirrel also hadn’t been there very long. the knight is also a completely hollow vessel

[primal nest]

but personally I think what stopped quirrel from getting infected and ajing was motomon's mask

[mild loom]

yeah, he was protected

[frozen osprey]

whats strange sly is the one who trained the nail master he should be strong minded but still got infected

[primal nest]

we don't know that we theorise that

[primal nest]

he likes geo a bit too much

[obsidian juniper]

Motomoton,s mask
I think this Is the worst joke i have Made like ever

[mild loom]

fair, but you do see that quirrel hadn’t been there long in the comic

[primal nest]

also true

[mild loom]

also sly and bretta had been there for like, ever

[primal nest]

also proven by his voice changing throught the game showing he has been aging

[trim estuary]

Or are they?

[primal nest]

I have always been troubled about the bugs in beat's den they dissapear nly leaving the masks? I was always confused by that

[trim estuary]

Which bugs? The masks might be their only remains after getting eaten btw

[primal nest]

why did they get eaten?

[mild loom]

yeah, that’s honestly probably it, seeing how masks are artificially made, seeing how as they can be removed, and the mask maker

[trim estuary]

Once again which bugs? Also, it’s deepnest

[primal nest]

no ctually

[mild loom]

if i was an animal i wouldn’t eat glasses

[primal nest]

there is an area in deepnest called beast's den

[frozen osprey]

its where Herrah is

[primal nest]

yes

[trim estuary]

Well mask maker is near there, and all the weavers and spiders appear to be gone so they might’ve left their masks upon leaving the kingdom or something
Or it’s just their remains

[mild loom]

we know the masks can be removed because of monomon giving quirrel hers

[primal nest]

but why woudl they drop their masks?

[mild loom]

i mean, if they died, and got eaten

[trim estuary]

The mask probably isn’t digestible

[primal nest]

why did they get eaten?

[trim estuary]

Are you joking

[mild loom]

again, i don’t think a wild animal would eat a humans glasses

[mild loom]

it’s deepnest, full of spiders and, well, deepnest creatures, why wouldn’t they eat whatever

[trim estuary]

You know how you have to eat to survive

[mild loom]

scavengers aswell, there’s plenty of mushrooms in deepnest

[primal nest]

i understand but they were villagers or something right?

[mystic pewter]

emilitia is strong in her insanity

[mild loom]

who cares lmao, it’s the apocalypse, and i’m sure that infected wild animals n stuff wouldn’t care

[normal hinge]

there's this interesting theory that they're simply puppets, there's 8 of them, all have the same voice, they all can't be dreamnailed, similar lines of dialogue, shells left on floor on return, unknown roar

[primal nest]

yeah but they were in like a place where they where protected from enemies?