sk-discussion

[night hull]

My keyboard sugested greenpath

[stark prism]

yeah nah i am pretty sure unn owns those

[tribal merlin]

ok, I have an idea:
you can bake some bricks made of salt dough

[night hull]

Thats fun bc it kinda makes sense

[stark prism]

that would work if i wanted to get impaled on a bunch of pitchforks
but i need bricks damn it

[nimble radish]

you want to put that in the more relevant channel?

[stark prism]

yeah there is a very intellectual discussion happening right now

[pallid flare]

that's really silksong related

that theory is quite weak in my opinion

[night hull]

This channel is for fuckin talks no restrictions god dam

[hollow terrace]

Everyone here is discrediting team cherry’s capabilities for environmental storytelling sheesh

[olive bobcat]

Turning in a job application soon

[stark prism]

good for you.

[night hull]

I love how you edited and added sheesh

[tranquil igloo]

a Shark named window

[boreal glen]

Lol

[hollow sedge]

wasnt there a big spider boss that was supposed to be in hollow knight?

[formal karma]

ye

well to be perfectly honest we didn't know it was a boss

[nimble radish]

bossfakout

[olive bobcat]

Fake

[stark prism]

there will be a bricklaying minigame in the silksong swamp area

[formal karma]

sounds better than anything grimm truopey tbh

[stark prism]

no videogame swamp is complete without a pile of bricks

[formal karma]

swamp is just a wet forest, really, so we're likely getting a bog or marsh

[olive bobcat]

Coral Swamp

[stark prism]

holy shit i forgot to invent white obama today

[hollow sedge]

coral reef, coral plantation, coral forest, coral anything

[stark prism]

i should probably get to doing that

[formal karma]

i think you can go ahead and forget about making white obama more

[stark prism]

i must achieve my goals

[formal karma]

i mean... go for it I guess

[stark prism]

done.

[formal karma]

i wonder if there will be a levi

[stark prism]

i will now perfect this prototype

[stoic jacinth]

What has me worried is that we won’t see forest of bones, there’s a flea room in deep docks that looks a lot like forest of bones and obviously isn’t

I need closure on this it’s been on my mind a bit

[formal karma]

levee sorry

[hollow sedge]

the flea room?

[olive bobcat]

If we don't see Forest of Bones then what is this

[formal karma]

yea imma call bs on this 'no forest of bones' deal

[pallid flare]

your mother

[stoic jacinth]

Yes, in the treehouse video

[tall hinge]

forest of bones

[languid linden]

The Boney Forest

[formal karma]

touche fordo

[stoic jacinth]

Fair enough

[hollow sedge]

wouldnt the forest of bones be apart of the ant area?

[stoic jacinth]

This isn’t exactly a rational thought it’s just more “what if”

[coarse leaf]

bone zone

[serene patrol]

Happy friday everybody! No news today but tomorrow for sure

[green kraken]

HAPPY FRIDAY! 🙂

[hidden roost]

The true silksong is the friends we made along the way!

[jaunty jetty]

I come from 2022 to tell you that Silksong was released in march, be strong and wait thill then, stay safe

[pallid flare]

funny

[olive bobcat]

Silksong releases later

[granite tendon]

hype for silksong

[warm bone]

#hk-general message

[serene chasm]

Friends are lame

[viral pivot]

I dont need friends. They dissapoint me

[pallid flare]

hey what

[chilly nexus]

tbh metroid dread didn't seem expansive enough during e3 but the new trailer is lookin pree juice

[haughty brook]

Althoguht it seems they are showing a lot of stuff too early on.

[stoic jacinth]

I’m just cutting myself off from dread

spoiler free as I can going in

[zenith arch]

I used cloud backup to carry the delicate flower
Shit's tougher than the last Pantheon

Confessing my sins

[warm bone]

its easy just clear the path beforehand

[zenith arch]

I clearly was dumb enough and didn't thought about it

But well, i got the platinum trophy
Pantheon was truly an experience

[crude galleon]

Ss hype

[chilly nexus]

I'd argue we still know less about dread than we do about ss

which says something about the amount of ss news we've gotten

[zenith arch]

Just waiting on Path of pain 2: electric boogaloo

[warm bone]

release date

[crude galleon]

We know tons about dread

We know some story, gameplay, alot of abilities, AND release date

[zenith arch]

Elden ring was on the same boat as SS before the big announcement this year

[crude galleon]

Elfin ring what

[serene chasm]

Elder Ring

[warm bone]

[crude galleon]

The whole gaming entity

[serene chasm]

seriously though. Im not even a huge miazaki/darksouls fan (I respect the fuck out of the games though) but elden ring looks sick as fuck.

[nimble pebble]

^

[pallid flare]

if i'm lucky then it'll run on 5 fps on my computer

[nimble pebble]

Only Miyazaki game I like is Bloodborne but man does the guy know how to make games also Elden Ring looks sick as fuck

[serene chasm]

mfw no bloodborne on pc

[warm bone]

yes

[crude galleon]

I hope ss releases 2032

Oops I mean 2022

[serene chasm]

No idea whats going on, but damn does it look cool af

[warm bone]

same

[chilly nexus]

I miss my first playthroughs of miyazaki's games

[warm bone]

the white fire looks sick

this is my favorite elden ring screenshot so far

[coarse leaf]

i dont need to play silksong since i know it'd already be amazing big brain

[haughty brook]

Elden Ring seems to be heavily into High Fantasy ala King Arthur's mythos or even Lord of the Rings (we have even corrupted lords being driven into madness by the fragments of the Elden Ring)

[warm bone]

or game of thrones

[coarse leaf]

all these cool games, and i dont have any of them

[haughty brook]

Also, there a definitly to be heavily influenced from Celtic mythos.

[coarse leaf]

i thought this was the fucking silk song discussion not the elden ring one

[serene chasm]

same game

[warm bone]

yes, like how the spell seems to have celtic knot designs in it

[coarse leaf]

christ, is that really the point we've gotten to. where there literally nothing to talk about silksong anymore lol.

[serene chasm]

Fromsoft-Team Cherry Collab when?

[haughty brook]

Honestly if Team Cherry designed the general world/character design/ the "main lore"/key gameplay elements while From made the character creation/build variety/refined gameplay/epic bosses and scale then it would result in a pretty epic game.

[coarse leaf]

i wonder how they're gonna release silksong

[serene chasm]

Like HK most likely. Twitter post saying something is coming. Trailer a few days later with a date

[haughty brook]

The same as HK I suppose. Putting the final trailer and then the game date (maybe two weeks?)

Tho, it would be intersting if TC reunited with From just to have a casual talk.

[serene chasm]

They wouldnt say no. Ari is a huge Miyazaki fan

In with Demon's Souls.

I was almost done when it came along just blew me away.

I'd been convinced for a decade that my love of older game design over the contemporary Press A to Win style was just childhood nostalgia. Demon's Souls said 'No! You were right; older games were better; difficulty is important; true exploration doesn't come with a waypoint; and punishment for failure makes you care.'

Thanks Miyazaki.

Post from Ari talking about what saved his love for gaming

[nimble pebble]

Epic

[haughty brook]

Super respect for Ari to have played Demon's Souls the original, that game has many good elements but the "jank" sometimes came like very sore thumb.

Still better than the later half of Dark Souls 1 tho.

[nimble pebble]

I sulute anyone who cna play super janky and hard games from the 80's where the games were unforgiving and unfair

[haughty brook]

Honestly the best "classic hard games" are from the 90's.

Also my personal favourite game from that era is Soul Reaver, which introduced me to Dark Fantasy.

[nimble pebble]

indeed

Tbh I'm a "if it's fun I'll play kind of guy" Idrc about genre only if I can get enjoyment out of it

[coarse leaf]

I prefer older games to newer ones with quite a few exceptions

If I had to name a game that would be the face of all cliched modern games, it would be Skyrim

[haughty brook]

Also, I respect TC to be mostly offline indie celebrities. For some reason some of them get into pointless e-drama or get into wierd rants that screams "get some treatment for your mental health"

[coarse leaf]

Any specific examples?

[haughty brook]

Gonna say Fez 2?

[coarse leaf]

I admire Team Cherry and how humble they seem to be for not talking much about themselves or their games

[nimble pebble]

As an indie dev I'm just going to keep to myself and just make games

[coarse leaf]

Fez 2 Twitter?

[haughty brook]

The whole thing with the creator of Fezx and his mental breakdown becae sort of a meme in the indie landscape.

[coarse leaf]

My dream as an aspiring game dev is to lose all emotion, lose the brain fog, and come across as a cold and calculating woman who works for the mystique of things

[pallid flare]

the factorio devs got some flak a while ago

[coarse leaf]

Like

Separate the art from the artist, but that doesn’t change the fact that some games suffer because of their creators, whether it’s connected or not

[nimble pebble]

I just like games and wish to make then not much to it other than that

[serene chasm]

This is the best way.

[haughty brook]

Also, TC seems to be very humble or at least keep to themselves for the most part. The other side of the coin would be Yiik creator.

[nimble pebble]

There's problematic people in every field

[serene chasm]

What did they do?

[haughty brook]

Didn't you heard about the "wonderful" game called Yiik?

[nimble pebble]

This sounds like something that would ruin my vibe

[nimble pebble]

Never heard of it

[serene chasm]

same

[haughty brook]

Yiik is a game that was "What if we made Eartbound/Persona but somehow 200% worse with an unberable protagonist that screams "egocentric hipster" with a particular plot point based on an actual tragedy handlend so tasteless and grossly made that people now remember the game for that? Then it is for you!"

[serene chasm]

Lets keep talking about how awesome TC is

[nimble pebble]

Ari and Wilbo can conceptualise an area in 1 hour according to Graig

[haughty brook]

When did Graig said that?

[serene chasm]

year and a half back or so

[green kraken]

gassing them up

[nimble pebble]

Graig is astounded at how fast they can work

I believe he said Ari could finish a basic NPC excluding Dialogue lines and complicated animations in 15 minutes

[tawdry palm]

I wouldnt belive everything graig says, but they sure do get stuff done

[nimble pebble]

Graig may be a troll but he's always been serious when it comes to these kinds of things

[haughty brook]

I think because its a combination of "simplistic" design, past experience and a great imagination helps make the creative process to be quiker than normal.

[nimble pebble]

Probably

[haughty brook]

Still can't believe that TC made such a fantastic bizzare world loosely based on bugs.

[nimble pebble]

[granite tendon]

[serene chasm]

If there is one thing Australians know well, its bugs

[reef scarab]

I like how they aren’t bug experts and just look up cool bugs and go from there

[haughty brook]

I mean, its a fantasy world, they can do whatever they want (as long as its consistent with its inner logic, otherwise, go crazy).

[reef scarab]

I know and that’s funny

[serene chasm]

I hope they go crazy with the lore in SS

[reef scarab]

I hope I know what’s going on ;-;

[serene chasm]

Hornet can talk and ask questions so things wont be as cryptic

[haughty brook]

Play/watch the game completely, form your theories and wait for a big theorist to made a video.

[serene chasm]

Lace is the Pale King

[obsidian juniper]

Or they could leave cryptic comments to complicate the lore

[reef scarab]

Mossbag has a cameo in the moss grotto

[grim forge]

Waiting on the new game theory video

[chilly nexus]

or wait for a small theorist to make a video

[hollow smelt]

😭 my friend is bullying me about never having 112%'d HK

i never did because it deleted my save file so i gave up and now im gonna fully replay it live prob

like whenever i say im hyped for silksong he goes

[serene chasm]

You never got 112%

[hollow smelt]

"you havent finished hk"

OH COME ON CURLY 😭

[serene chasm]

Dont worry about it really. Your friend is being a meanyhead

[hollow smelt]

well i guess my friend has the rights to clown on me lmfao he beat radiant absolute radiance

[hollow smelt]

nah its funny tbh

im just gonna speed through to hornet 1 and then figure out where to go from there

[serene chasm]

Im never gonna beat PoH so I got that going for me

[hollow smelt]

ah yeah im prob not gonna try. maybe if i get bored and hk gives good stream content idk yet tho

atleast P1/2/3/4

path of pain aswell

i just have to hope warframe doesnt drag me back in the second i get bored

[haughty brook]

I really hope SS helps to get HK more into the mainstream. Not that "HK is a underrated indie game" but it defenitly doesn't have the same popularity as Undertale or Shovel Knight.

[hollow smelt]

hmm, i mean itll be a big game on twitch prob since alot of streamers are playing HK rn like RTGame, Smallant etc

idk who else played hk and would play ss

[haughty brook]

Yeah, that helped with the popularity of HK, but I believe that SS could definitly help much more.

[obsidian juniper]

Is shovel knight More famous than hollow knight?i thought it was the other way around

[hollow smelt]

Ye when SS launches i know ill be playing that for sure

[serene chasm]

Hollow Knight has the most reviews out of those 3 games

[hollow smelt]

i mean i want to play it anyway and a new game with a blind playthrough NOW THATS CONTENT IM TELLIN YOU CHIEF

[warm bone]

[hollow smelt]

same thing with the new warframe quest i have been so fkn hyped for 2/3 years i think now

[crude galleon]

Ss should be darkness

[haughty brook]

?

[crude galleon]

Dark screen with nothing but noise

[haughty brook]

Oh yeah, the ASMR experience

[barren roost]

[serene chasm]

Not you too, Delta

[nimble pebble]

I've gotten 112% more times than I've seen people here who haven't

[obsidian juniper]

Im at 1 pantheon of joining the club

Today i beated both the radiance and p3 and went to hk-disscusion to celebrate that i beated the radiance
I posted the comment about beating the radiance just below someone braggin about beating half the bosses in radiant

[obsidian juniper]

That was funny

[high hedge]

Personal goals

[obsidian juniper]

Thanks

[green kraken]

bruh i beat p4 on a version that froze after you beat pantheons have to still beat it again..

[tired spruce]

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[serene chasm]

Agreed

[obsidian juniper]

Also someone has tips for fallen champion?besides getting good
I did half of p4 in a row and died against it in like 20 seconds

[tired spruce]

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[green kraken]

just be patient with champion its easy to see his telegraph

even when he attacks you have a couple seconds to react

[obsidian juniper]

Maybe they could make Hornet have flashbacks tied to her journal instead of making a second godhome

[obsidian juniper]

I see,so i should focus on learning His patterns

[green kraken]

like when he jumps at you you can easily dash under him, and when he does a swing that takes slightly longer its gonna make a shockwave

if you know the range of his swing you can wait for him to attack outside the range then go in after, if he jumps dash under

[nimble pebble]

[obsidian juniper]

I see
Its really the things you make with the normal version,i think its More a matter of timing since everything Is much faster
Except the range thing that Is something i didnt think about
So thanks for that

[tired spruce]

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[obsidian juniper]

Because they probably worked very hard for it and want to show it,i imagine

[lament mauve]

Does Midwife’s mask…split?

[tired spruce]

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[obsidian juniper]

Youre gonna get it someday

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

I still find it petty and overexaggerated to have it as part of my nickname. I’ve done many feats in HK and I can’t bring myself to have a bragging feat above any message that I type out. Maybe it just depends on the person and if they feel proud of sharing or not, I’m not that kinda guy personally

I’m viewing it from a totally biased way

[tulip drift]

Eh I sorta get it, like 112%ing the game takes a while on your first playthrough so i can understand wanting to be proud of it

[tired spruce]

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[tulip drift]

Honestly though I don't even mind if it seems like bragging, like it's the hk fandom everyone likes to flex how good they are at the game lmao

[tired spruce]

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[obsidian juniper]

Thats what i meant,like the grind that p5 with anything that isnt the vanilla version must take hours upon hours,i could imagine someone being proud about it

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

I’ve personally done P5AB, Charmless Radiant HoG (can do it again within one sitting), and P5 in one hit on Switch edition (unverified)

[obsidian juniper]

Holy s.it

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

But yeah. Other than me blatantly shouting it out, I dislike flexing via name display

There’s an exception if somebody is attempting somthing that nobody has done before, like when General Milky was attempting P5AB Hitless and they gradually updated their nickname the closer they got to it. I doubt they ever finished, they halted at some point but I don’t think they gave up

[cerulean sable]

also someone asked about APWOT

they largely ignored Silksong questions

other than the "Hornet is now talking"

which weve already heard 2 times before

regardless i wouldve loved to read stuff about them

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

DDX is typing

[tawdry valley]

I would have a more in depth opinion on the matter but the fact that the whole thing was a contagion that came from celestecord makes me fully against it

I’m not even kidding, people put their % with their berry count in here, and then everyone else started doing it. It was funny at first but now it’s like; a thing

[coarse leaf]

Bruh.

[tired spruce]

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[obsidian juniper]

It come from the celeste comunity?i didnt knew
But now that i remember i heard there was some overlapping between the two

[serene chasm]

What is something we should flex that is worth flexing?

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

I wouldn’t actually mind if people shared their progress only because they want to converse about the game and just relate to others in the chat, but to flex and brag and boast about it (a display of elitism) is when I really hate it. Other than that I generally don’t care as much

[coarse leaf]

I’d say you should be allowed to flex something you’ve accomplished if it’s a big deal, but not for a long time, you know what I mean? Like, for celebration

[tawdry valley]

That’s the thing, thats almost all it’s used for

[serene chasm]

Why do you ask?

[coarse leaf]

I know, which makes me hate it all the time

[tawdry valley]

I’ve avoided having “P5AB” in my name because when I talk to people here who don’t know who I am, an actual conversation/ Q/A occurs

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

I mean, I DID come to your aid an extremely long time ago for help on GPZ for P3AB, and it was because I heard you beating P5AB

[serene chasm]

I wonder how many people has something like that in their name but are lying about it

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

I thank you for that, DDX, you actually helped me with something

[tawdry valley]

There’s this weird stigma that a few people misinterpret regarding achievements in game (largely from the fireborn community unfortunately /: ) where in game achievement is used as a sort of rank within a convo

[serene chasm]

Dont get it, and no. Im not from Europe

[coarse leaf]

No way! People helping me with genuine guides? Without them saying “git gud”?

[tawdry valley]

As opposed to a little “by the way; this is how far I made it in game”

[tired spruce]

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[tawdry valley]

I have no issue with having % marker for the general chat, or even in #hk-help

[tired spruce]

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[tawdry valley]

Yeah

[coarse leaf]

Yep 🐌

[tired spruce]

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[nimble pebble]

I typically just casually flex when someone asks my achievements or if it's brought up but in reality I'm not that good I'm just stubborn and will do something until I beat it to the point where I just beat it because I did it so much it just worked eventually

[coarse leaf]

It’s possible, and also to have shiny golden things above P5

[tawdry valley]

Cause you eventually reach a point when it’s your only viable option for challenge

[serene chasm]

some people really enjoy having a challenge. fills them with dolphins

[nimble pebble]

Street cred

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

I only did it because I had mini-OCD since all my other pantheons were shiny and glowy

[nimble pebble]

You mean endorphins?

[tawdry valley]

Picture yourself engaging with the game long enough or intensely enough until you get bored with what’s available to you. This is where bindings come and and force you to play at what others would see as “overly optimal”

[serene chasm]

yes that ||the dolphins thing is a Night in the Woods reference||

[coarse leaf]

Once that’s done, there’s P5 Hitless

Or you find other games to play

[nimble pebble]

Nice, and yeah now that you mention it I get it now

[tired spruce]

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[tawdry valley]

Having 1/3rd of your previous nail damage and only 15% of your previous soul charges gives you a reason to actually play like you’ve mastered a boss

[tired spruce]

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[serene chasm]

Im happy to where I got in HK. Sucks that I will never beat p5, but Im ok with that

[tawdry valley]

Because the reality is that the endgame knight is overpowered. It’s easy to forget that TK can literally crush 7 midgame bosses in a row while basically facetanking

[nimble pebble]

I've only done up to P4AB so far

[tawdry valley]

I say “overpowered” not to say that it’s easy

[coarse leaf]

You can do it!

[tired spruce]

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[tawdry valley]

But to say that playing optimally is grossly unnecessary. Think about it, how hard do you have to think about the first 80% of the 5th pantheon?

[coarse leaf]

Good practice for AB is Charmless Radiant HoG

[cerulean sable]

i would complain about p5 if the regular DNM ending wasnt good enough to end it

[nimble pebble]

I meant that I did P4AB I'm not doing P5AB or R5 until SS is out though since I'm stubborn and don't want to be in a P5AB funk when SS comes out

[tired spruce]

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[tawdry valley]

People’s main complaint about P5 is that P5 is mostly filler

[coarse leaf]

You’ll do it before it releases

[nimble pebble]

I won't

[coarse leaf]

I said the same boring answer, but I did it anyways

[nimble pebble]

It's an endurnace grind more than anything

[tawdry valley]

Despite the fact they just chainkilled 10 bosses. This is why I love the idea of bindings. They make early P5 actually fun

[tired spruce]

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[nimble pebble]

Nah I'm content doing other things instead of torturing myself with that

[coarse leaf]

Whats wrong with the collector?

There’s a point where you grind AB and Charmless Radiants so much that you forget charms exist in the game, and when you put them on you go Super Saiyan

[tawdry valley]

No, because the fact you need to chainkill means that each boss doesn’t need to be able to kill you, just injure you before Oro/mato, or sly, or hornet 2, or PV, etc

It’s a resource management game

[tired spruce]

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[tawdry valley]

AB strips you of the ability to gimp bosses, as well as the ability to store massive amounts of soul or hp.

[coarse leaf]

Yeah that must suck

I enjoy early P5, even with no bindings. So fun to squash the puny bosses then the slightly bigger, but equally puny bosses at the end

[tawdry valley]

That is why AB is fun to me.

[nimble pebble]

*Cyclone slashes them to oblivion

[tired spruce]

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[nimble pebble]

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

DDX, you should attempt P5 Hitless

[nimble pebble]

If you charge each time he goes up it'll be ready before the jars drop

Also the enemies drop soul and you could also dream nail collector for soul

Speaking of which this reminds me of a glitch I got during P5 Charmless where I beat Collector but died to an armoured squit in the transition screen so I got transitioned to God Tamer with full heath

[tawdry valley]

I did, I got to around 15 hits. I’m happy to DM you the reason I didn’t continue, but I wouldn’t want to deter anyone from attempting themselves (or people still attempting!)

Because P5 hitless is it’s own perfectly viable mastery challenge

[coarse leaf]

DM away!

[tired spruce]

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[zenith arch]

Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time

[zenith arch]

If you have a PS4 controller, you can play through a PS Now subscription :^)

[serene chasm]

eh. too many hoops to jump through. but I guess that option is there

[coarse leaf]

Someone say... Hoops?

[fiery coral]

Giant Enemy Hoop

[serene chasm]

hoops?

[nimble pebble]

It do be very good

[nimble pebble]

Hoopla

[reef scarab]

Do P5 AB hitless

[tawdry valley]

I’ve thought about it. I’ve decided against it, because the issue with P5hitless has a very nasty blend with the many obstacles of P5

Case in point: #hk-discussion message

“Hour solid” doesn’t sound too bad till you realize this was within the peak of godhome boss playtesting.

[coarse leaf]

Im SO FUCKING MAAAAAAAAAAD

Wait. Wrong channel and server.

I’ll just-

[serene chasm]

I want to know now

[coarse leaf]

I achievement-locked myself in Dead Cells since I opened the Undying Shores gate permanently in a Custom Run with achievements fucking disabled. Meaning I can’t 100% my file even though I have every blueprint, item, and other achievement in the game unless they patch it so that you are able to get the achievement while wearing the Cultist Skin while entering Undying Shores

But I am TILTED. Hours upon hours! And ONE achievement mocks me!

[tawdry valley]

Mod it in

[coarse leaf]

Cries in Switch player

[tawdry valley]

Lol nerd

[coarse leaf]

Time to spam devs to patch it, oh boy

[tawdry valley]

Now jailbreak it or buy a steam deck (assuming that it isn’t a shitstack when it’s out on shelves)

[serene chasm]

No idea what any of that means, but that sucks

[coarse leaf]

Not gonna repeat 200 hours of progress again, no thanks

[buoyant pumice]

[insert oversaturated 'no silksong' joke here]

[serene patrol]

i just figured out a game called FIST

and it looks fuckin dope

[obsidian juniper]

Figured out?like you found it?Made it?idk i never heard that in this context

[mortal grove]

hi

[coarse leaf]

speaking of all binds

[opal lintel]

oh god, that’s horrible. hope you find a solution

[coarse leaf]

I was doing Pantheon of Hallownest on All Binds for half a year straight and still didnt get it after 6 failed absrad attempts

most of them failed because my gay blood decided to give me adrenaline and that shook me up physically so I wasnt able to concentrate

im sure Silksong will have something like Godmaster, and I have a slight feeling there's going to be another mega boss rush as well

[stoic jacinth]

I think mossbag said something about maybe not expecting a boss rush mode

[coarse leaf]

does he know?

[stoic jacinth]

But he didn’t rule out a rematch system

[coarse leaf]

or is he suggesting not to expect a Pantheon of Pharloom

[opal lintel]

wait being gay has stat boosts?

[stoic jacinth]

I think this is coming from talking to ari

[coarse leaf]

yes, but in exchange for literally nothing adrenaline completely destroys me whenever I play video games

whether im actually gay or not, that probably wouldnt affect my ability to play Hollow Knight

[coarse leaf]

oh

[opal lintel]

it’s like civ 6 with the pantheons how all of them have different boosts

[coarse leaf]

I mean im willing to do the Pantheon of Hallownest on All Binds any day, I just need storage for the shadowplay

[stoic jacinth]

I can’t find the message exactly but it may be in his server, not here

[coarse leaf]

but thank goodness there's going to be no mandatory boss rushes

why the final expansion was a boss rush dlc instead of the Abyss Expansion, I dont know.

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

check the kickstarter

TC said they werent going to do it because they designed the world of Hallownest without the expansion in mind

[tired spruce]

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[stoic jacinth]

@coarse leaf

[coarse leaf]

and that they'd rather focus on "future games"

[coarse leaf]

coolio.

[stoic jacinth]

but yeah that’s alright with me as long as we have a rematch system

[coarse leaf]

I think the mod showcases and Fireb0rn's channel is enough proof

[stoic jacinth]

Looking at some of these bosses, namely Seth and Hunter Queen Carmelita, I’m gonna need to replay some of these fights

[coarse leaf]

if it wasnt for godmaster, the skill ceiling for hollow knight would still be pretty, but there would be way less things to try it on

[coarse leaf]

The Last Judge

No seriously whoever named that boss deserves a raise

It’s like 9/10 in the grand scheming of general boss names

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

Miss on what?

[reef scarab]

Higher being graig says it’s amazing

[coarse leaf]

I can already tell from the fact that you can do lunges and the such

[stoic jacinth]

also that it’s not as rushed as HK

[coarse leaf]

Much more movement based than Hollow Knight which focused more on positioning yourself

[mortal grove]

theyre gonna take their sweeeeeet precious time with it

[coarse leaf]

I hope so

Ok I was going to mention Halo Infinite for the 3rd time but I’ve already used up all my complain passes

[cerulean sable]

obligatory graig is hardcore af

[coarse leaf]

So uh, instead I’ll mention omori and how it has became a near masterpiece from 6 years of Omocat toiling away at the game

[tired spruce]

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[cerulean sable]

hes already done some cool qol suggestions like how the entire silk spool will get consumed if you do a sprint stab

and how he asked the elevators in deep docks to be faster

its those little things

[reef scarab]

Wdym?

[cerulean sable]

you know those silk containers?

[stoic jacinth]

yeah graig seems to be a good play tester in that regard

[coarse leaf]

Why not just add teleporters instead?
I know it could be out of theme so maybe some transport pipes could do

[cerulean sable]

in deep dock?

[coarse leaf]

But I’m not part of team Cherry

[reef scarab]

The things kinda like the soul totems?

[tired spruce]

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[coarse leaf]

Yeah. What about them?

[coarse leaf]

dreamgate

[cerulean sable]

you have to hit them 3 times to get all their silk like the soul totems, but he suggested to TC about the stab consuming all of it

again its a minor qol but it does add up to the speedrun convenience part of it

[stoic jacinth]

The solution to downtime in an elevator isn’t just remove the elevators entirely, since they’re a small bit of world building in themselves

[reef scarab]

Speedrunner strats ig

[coarse leaf]

That too I suppose

So increasing the speed is one of the better things they could do

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah it’s good he’s paying attention to small things that usually make it past AAA companies in terms of pacing

[cerulean sable]

gregory SRs himself so it helps

[coarse leaf]

please don’t mention Halo. PLEASE don’t mention Halo.

[cerulean sable]

they dont lack a budget anymore, and theyre certainly not pressed for time anymore too

that alone REALLY helps add up the little things along the way

[reef scarab]

How the hell did they make hollow knight on a 60k budget

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah graig said HK was rushed on a shoestring budget and you have no idea how much better Silksong is

[serene chasm]

Elevators?

[stoic jacinth]

or something like that

[coarse leaf]

Games do better without deadlines imo

[cerulean sable]

plus their small teams means they dont have management issues where x asks for y from lower manager which is then outsourced to another intern who then passes it to another friend and then it slowly jumbles its way back upaso;jdhf;alsh;jsahfk;lash;fd

[reef scarab]

Pokemon

[coarse leaf]

They’re almost necessary if you’re pumping out high quality games but if you’re making them on a quality > quantity basis, they’re detrimental

[coarse leaf]

The sprite based games had an artistic style to them that I loved, because it’s easier to make things look cheap in 2d than in 3D thanks to art styles

I have a certain nostalgia with Heartgold that I’ll never forget

[mortal grove]

i cant wait for speedruns

the routes will be really interesting

[coarse leaf]

Meanwhile make things in 3D and a lot more time is invested in original assets and map design

Imagine if we ever made a 4D game, imagine how awful it would look

[stoic jacinth]

I mean have you seen that spike ball thing it’s literally just a free midair pogo

[cerulean sable]

i know theres a scope creep issue in some games, but overall in this case when they ask "we can add feature x" theyre not suddenly stopped with:
"we dont have enough time should we just release it after initial launch?"
"we dont have the resources, lets just scrap this entirely"
"we can try but we need it done at time Y and were not guaranteed to refine it if we reach the deadline"

[iron spear]

Suggestions that's what i dooooooo

[coarse leaf]

I’m saving this for later

[stoic jacinth]

this is a burning question

[coarse leaf]

Hi graig how’s craig

[barren roost]

Suggestion: tell silknever people your favourite food
it won't change their minds, just tell them

[silver oak]

a

[serene chasm]

Gardening guide when?

[cerulean sable]

baldis basics x hollow knight crossover

[mortal grove]

[cerulean sable]

considering wilbo loves these weird absurd MS paint style games

[coarse leaf]

What the hell is this

Multidimensional Chess is a term I never thought I’d hear

[stoic jacinth]

5D chess of course what does it look like

[barren roost]

chess with time travel and branching realities

[stoic jacinth]

it’s very simple actually

[coarse leaf]

I need to try this

Because I love chess but it’s not that high on my favorite games list

As a board game it’s one of my favorites but I’d rather play Splatoon 2 if I wanted chess like gameplay

[unborn dome]

even if you are somewhat good at chess, 5d chess will still melt your brain

[coarse leaf]

Your pfp is melting my brain already, how can I hope to survive 5d chess if I can’t withstand 5d sans?

Speaking of game dev I respect ID software a lot at this point

They actually keep a good homage to the original doom games while keeping things fresh and clean

Something 343i could never do with Halo because of how passionless they are at times

I consider Doom Eternal a triple aaa game and even then it’s high up in terms of general quality

So being Triple AAA is no excuse for bad quality imo

[cerulean sable]

you can check people from across past time lines iirc

[coarse leaf]

Oh that’s trippy

If only I didn’t have brain fog, I’d actually be able to wrap my head around this

[tawdry valley]

“Triple A” or “indie” as tags don’t really define the quality of a game

There are, indeed, a variety of garbage “triple A” games, with large budgets that still went to shit or are generally shit.

[iron spear]

Most games are bad

[tawdry valley]

There is also an unbearably large amount of worthless indie games

[iron spear]

Like most movies

[tawdry valley]

Yeah exactly

[iron spear]

I've played so many horrible Indies at cons it's crazy

[tawdry valley]

A Blockbuster or classic movie doesn’t have to come from a massive studio with a massive budget.

[tawdry valley]

Really? I honestly only ever hear of “promising” ones at those sorts of things.

[iron spear]

And then the dev is like soooooo did you like it. And I always tell them it's bad

Because I don't want to lie.

[warm bone]

[serene chasm]

Survival bias

[iron spear]

But I tell them why it sucks

[serene patrol]

i meant found out the game. sorry ESL

english isn't my first language so

[tawdry valley]

I imagine. Hence the idea behind “qualification vs quality”
But an absolute horrible game is usually just as notable as a good one

[obsidian juniper]

Oooh,which one is your first language?

[serene patrol]

Bahasa

[tawdry valley]

That’s the good thing then. Offering solutions is the best way to complain

[coarse leaf]

That’s actually good because giving constructive criticism might make the developer more willing to fix the game up so it’s not a Gleamlight at launch

[iron spear]

I ask them what they are trying to achieve, what's their vision

[coarse leaf]

It depends on the developer though

[iron spear]

Then I give advice on how they can reach it correctly

[coarse leaf]

The reason I feel indie games are so simple in quality is because of budget and time reasons

[obsidian juniper]

So youre from indonesia?i searched and thats the first thing that pop up

[coarse leaf]

Hollow Knight somehow managed to be at the top while having both of these problems

What do you think makes a good indie game, Graig?

[iron spear]

Your game needs to be satisfying to play

[tawdry valley]

Same thing that makes a good videogame I imagine

[iron spear]

You need to make it so that the player wants to keep playing

[serene patrol]

yeah now shall we talk about the games we like and perhaps some silksong?

[coarse leaf]

So the combat loop could be good by being enticing and rewarding while challenging, I’d imagine.

[obsidian juniper]

Ok

[tawdry valley]

i.e the incentivizetion and gratification of engagement.

[coarse leaf]

Good thing I have a decent vision of the combat in my games

Bad thing I have brain fog and am only 18 and in community college

People keep playing games because they either want to see the end or because the combat is addicting

[tawdry valley]

“Challenge” is the basis for engagement in an interactive environment/sense

[coarse leaf]

Yeah I can see that, and control plays a big part in how many people pick up the game and not put it down

[iron spear]

So like in my game, it's combat focused and exploration focused. So I have an upgrade system that compliments both of these things

[obsidian juniper]

What games do you like besides hollow knight?

[coarse leaf]

Just like how Hollow Knight has a journal and a map that updates regularly, I’d assume?

[iron spear]

It makes the player want to keep doing both

[coarse leaf]

Like

I really want to start making boneworks of games right now because it’s never too early to start

But I’d need to do a smaller project first because the big thing I’m planning is a 3D game with voice acting and simple yet complex combat

I haven’t even taken any game design courses and I already feel confident that my design is solid, if wishful.

[mortal grove]

is this the small dungeon crawler your thinking of

[iron spear]

Nah

[coarse leaf]

Graig has a dungeon crawler?

[serene patrol]

Tekken

[iron spear]

But that actually will probably have the same system this game uses

So... Yes I guess

[tawdry valley]

Diagram used in psychology to describe how people engage with their workplace and in school, but it applies to videogames too, as the goal is is also engagement/immersion.
Diffficulty of the task / skill of the worker/student/player

[coarse leaf]

I know you didn’t ask me but Minecraft, Terraria, Halo Reach, Pokémon Heartgold, Doom Eternal, Omori, Cave Story, Splatoon 2, and a few more I forgot atm

[tawdry valley]

This is “how to make a good videogame” in the most barebones and abstract level possible.

[coarse leaf]

That sounds chill tbh

[mortal grove]

rainworld, skullgirls (my ass gets kicked online though), dont starve together, wizard with a gun, dont starve together, cookie run: ovenbreak, and did i mention dont starve together?

[tawdry valley]

That’s cool. Easy way to develop that is to have your garden support your endeavors. So getting an abundance of a certain plant or having a certain orchid be healthy grants access to a new level of the dungeon or new kind of utility

[obsidian juniper]

Oh interesting
Do you like fighting games?i have a few fighting games laying in my ps4 withnout playing

[coarse leaf]

I’d make it so the garden is the upgrade system

[cerulean sable]

as long as its not another dungeon crawler roguelike pixelart soulslike inspired with the quirky humor of undertale ill take it

[coarse leaf]

But leave enough room so cosmetics can be applied instead of boosts

[mortal grove]

fighting games are neat, i'm not the best at them but theyre cool

[tawdry valley]

Those aren’t bad, given they have their own unique concepts and mechanics to present

[iron spear]

Nah this would be a very simple game. Might make it for mobile

[mortal grove]

[iron spear]

Everyone's favourite platform

[obsidian juniper]

I have a friend thats really into dont starve together,but never played it myself,how Is it?

[tawdry valley]

Oh so like a “go in cave, find cool flower, store cool flower” and repeat type deal?

[iron spear]

What you guys don't have phones????

[mortal grove]

its really fun, but it gets boring late-game

[tawdry valley]

Sounds like an out of season April fools joke

[obsidian juniper]

I see

[mortal grove]

i haven't been playing because i'm really busy but right now my world is at like ...700 days or something and i really really want to reach 1000

[cerulean sable]

not saying theyre automatically bad

but its a very saturated genre

[coarse leaf]

CAN fucking autocorrect

[cerulean sable]

ive seen so much indie games going all looking cool is inevitably gonna say its a roguelike

[mortal grove]

dst is really really fun if youre new though and they're adding another dlc character soon so thats pog

[tawdry valley]

Well yeah, so is the fps genre, but doom eternal is also an FPS.

[coarse leaf]

I can see why, buying the plants you want in a store is easy money without being overly greedy

Oops sorry for ping replying…

[cerulean sable]

and again its not automatically bad, but its something that offputs me when i realize that i dont really buy the genre

[mortal grove]

i have a tablet does that count

[coarse leaf]

Undertale is to RPGs as Doom Eternal is to FPSs

[tawdry valley]

You have a tablet but not a phone?

[mortal grove]

yeah

[tawdry valley]

That is an insult to good rpgs. I will say however, it’s the Doom eternal to Turn based RPGs

[serene chasm]

Undertale isnt an rpg

[coarse leaf]

I mean it doesn’t matter if the genre is over saturated if you break the mold

[tawdry valley]

Right? It’s like, one or two item slots.

[coarse leaf]

I think people tend to forget that games have target audiences

[obsidian juniper]

Do you played soulsilver in ds or emulator?i want to play it in emulator but i didnt found a good emulator

[coarse leaf]

Heartgold on DS

[green kraken]

desmume emulator seems good

[tawdry valley]

Anyways, The Apex Turn based combat game is Into the breach.

[coarse leaf]

I actually got it for my 9th birthday along with a pokewalker. Best gift of my life

Also got to play Mystery Dungeon Sky and Pokémon Ranger 1 because of it

[tawdry valley]

I didn’t play anything with “turn based” in the tags until that game and bugfables

Everything after that feels like a downgrade

[coarse leaf]

A game is strong if it has a good identity

[shell yacht]

do you drive@tawdry valley

[coarse leaf]

Dark Souls is known for being difficult

[tawdry valley]

Define strong. Also define identity

[obsidian juniper]

Nice
I used to be really into Pokémon when i was young but Nintendo didnt existed in my country at the moment

[tawdry valley]

Wdym

[shell yacht]

a car

[tawdry valley]

I do

[coarse leaf]

A strong game is one that sets itself out to be consistent in quality and pacing.

An identity is when a game is known for its specific attributes that set it apart from other games

[shell yacht]

irl turn based combat @tawdry valley

[tawdry valley]

So quality and originality

[coarse leaf]

^

A good game doesn’t need a good identity, but it will lose any relevancy very fast

Ok maybe that’s not true but whatever

[coarse leaf]

Wait I got an example

Well tbh, I don’t you can name one thing that a game actually needs

[shell yacht]

controls

[mortal grove]

well for one the game needs to be playable

[tawdry valley]

A win/loss condition(?)

[coarse leaf]

Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a “good” game, but it feels very similar to other games like it because of its weird tone and tropes that were inserted to it, making it less original than the original FF7

[coarse leaf]

Define “controls”

[tawdry valley]

Ability to influence what is on screen

[shell yacht]

not having every button do the same thing

[tawdry valley]

Otherwise you are watching a movie.

[shell yacht]

interactive cutscene is not a game

[coarse leaf]

Hm. I guess you’re right about controls

[obsidian juniper]

I think i should talk about the games that i like
I like Minecraft,the uncharted series and the last of us, Rayman legends
Now that i think about i spend the like last 7 months only playing hollow knight and almost nothing else

[coarse leaf]

The carapace a player needs to interact with the environment of the game, in order to give a sense of “groundedness” and consistency in ones actions

[tawdry valley]

Rayman legends is nice, but they ripped off the Silksong trailer for one of their bossfights, so

[coarse leaf]

What, the Silksong Trailer IS the boss fight?

[coarse leaf]

Oh

I can’t get that French rayman trailer out of my head

[obsidian juniper]

Ubisoft would never do this im crying and shaking right now

[coarse leaf]

Does dying count? Even if you can respawn?

[tawdry valley]

Yes, dying despite respawn is a loss

[coarse leaf]

https://youtu.be/suZ_T1mOZTw

Minecraft with keep inventory?

[tawdry valley]

Unless you want the game to blow up your computer on death

[coarse leaf]

I do!

[tawdry valley]

Are you telling me respawns after losses mean you cannot lose.

[lament mauve]

what is a Lifeblood syringe?

[warm bone]

drugs

[coarse leaf]

With keep inventory on you literally lose nothing

[tawdry valley]

Because losing in a videogame isn’t dying or the equivalent, it’s not winning

[coarse leaf]

In Minecraft there’s basically no winning

[tawdry valley]

In the case of Minecraft; it’s a sandbox, and you define your objectives

[warm bone]

why are we talking about minecraft?

[coarse leaf]

Exactly; keep inventory on: no win condition

[coarse leaf]

Things that video games absolutely need. So far just controls in the list

[coarse leaf]

Drugs

[mortal grove]

lifeblood .... in a syringe

[tawdry valley]

@coarse leaf are you telling me it is impossible to succeed in any regard in Minecraft

[coarse leaf]

FTB Endeavor has over 200 mods

[tawdry valley]

Also, keepinventory doesn’t preserve exp, or the location you died at.

[coarse leaf]

Impossible? No. Required? No

[tawdry valley]

I am not required to leave kings pass in hollow knight

[coarse leaf]

Indeed

You don’t have to play the game lmao. But unlike Minecraft, hollow knight tells you that you can beat the game

[coarse leaf]

gets fury of the fallen
credits roll

[lament mauve]

tru

[tawdry valley]

Ender dragon..?

[mortal grove]

i saw that

[coarse leaf]

Beginner’s Dragon

Middle Dragon

[coarse leaf]

Doesn’t say that you beat the game.

Imagine Dragon

[tawdry valley]

Credits literally roll

[coarse leaf]

Blue Eyes White Dragon

[coarse leaf]

Are they actually credits though? I thought it was just a poem or something

[obsidian juniper]

Red eyes black dragon

[coarse leaf]

I’ve never actually beat the dragon LMAO

[warm bone]

you are becoming less and less credible

[coarse leaf]

After the part where the two voices say “wake up” the credits roll and you learn that Hatsune Miku made Minecraft

[tawdry valley]

Sandbox games are not games with no win(or even loss) conditions; they are games in which you define the win/loss conditions yourself, within a set of available mechanics

[coarse leaf]

When the gaming medium says that you know you’ve messed up

[coarse leaf]

Then I henceforth concede defeat. I can’t think of a game where you don’t need a win/loss condition

Gg, DDX2000. Good debate :)

[tawdry valley]

I mean I don’t disagree though. I think games can have no win/loss conditions and still be games

[obsidian juniper]

X2,i always leave the game halfway
I think i really like exploration in Minecraft but after a while i just stop being interested

[tawdry valley]

I just don’t think Minecraft is one of those.

[coarse leaf]

There should be a game where everyone wins

[tawdry valley]

That’s called having a win condition

[coarse leaf]

I know. But I just think there should be one anyways. We can all be happy with a win

[coarse leaf]

Even a game where you click A to Win would have some losers

Imagine booting the game up and having a power outage, then a data corruption

That would technically be a loser

[warm bone]

https://youtu.be/a66dzUT0IH4

[coarse leaf]

Lol true. I saw a video that shows the simpsons game has an achievement that says “press start on the menu” and a lot of players didn’t do it ;-;

[tawdry valley]

I didn’t say they didn’t exist. Also, this is about finding the minimum requirement for what can be called a videogame

[coarse leaf]

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS AMAZING GRAVITY FALLS CLIP

I NEEDED TO SEE THIS AGAIN

[coarse leaf]

Just walk by. You lost a free win 😔. Also gravity falls reference <3

[coarse leaf]

Well what else? Interactivity and win/loss condition? Also if you say that games do exist without win/loss conditions, then you kinda proved my point lol

Unless you meant you just don’t know for sure? Idk, neither do I

Gtg

Bye 👋

[obsidian juniper]

Maybe you could add Entertainment?like a videogame must have a element that can Entertaint a player to be considered a game

[coarse leaf]

But entertainment is subjective. Kinda looking for objective stuff

[obsidian juniper]

I see

[serene chasm]

Why are you trying to define what a game is

[warm bone]

[coarse leaf]

Because ss hasn’t come out yet so…. Off topic 2.0

[serene chasm]

Ok. So it's just a thought experiment

[coarse leaf]

Uhhh sure! Just trying to see others opinions

[tawdry valley]

#sk-discussion message

[obsidian juniper]

When i went into the server for the first Time it took me 2 weeks to realize that this Is about silksong and not random 2.0

[coarse leaf]

Lol

[obsidian juniper]

Like one day i thought mmm everyone talking about hollow knight sequel,saw the ss,saw the tittle of the sequel,and everything clicked

[coarse leaf]

Yes I get what you mean now

I was just trying to show an example that I thought was correct but you showed me it wasn’t. 👍

[obsidian juniper]

Well,i should be going to sleep
Good knight

[coarse leaf]

👋

[trim estuary]

Silk

[warm bone]

I have lost yet more respect for nintendo

[proud vale]

why

[warm bone]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SaveSmash&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

#SaveSmash - Twitter Search

8h ago @n0ned tweeted: "Another day i wake up in search of Hollo.." - read what others are saying and join the conversation.

Twitter

its #freemelee but again

[proud vale]

Bruhhh why are nintendo execs legit ancient and idiotic

[warm bone]

literal fossils call the shots and this is the result

[hollow sedge]

nintendo has the best developers but the worst upper management

[proud vale]

Sacred smash brawl shall not be touched

[coarse leaf]

#freebrawl

[proud vale]

Nintendo is like the Apple of the gaming industry, honestly

[coarse leaf]

They’re run by a dvd copy of shark tale

[warm bone]

Its funny that this whole thing is done in an attempt to stave off piracy but these actions could be enough to convince people to stop financially supporting them (🏴‍☠️)

[coarse leaf]

Yeah….not us though right?? Hahaha….👀💀 /j

[hollow sedge]

nintendo makes it impossible to play games older then the 2000s, unless you wanna pay 100's for one game

[proud vale]

Yeahhh like i don't understand why they don't just listen to their active fanbase instead of the casuals, I know they want to seem approachable for all, but like it's still archaic

[hollow sedge]

buy games*

[tardy raft]

What was that thing Gabe Newell said about piracy?

[coarse leaf]

“Very cool, I approve. Don’t quote me on that”

[hollow sedge]

also nintendo online is booty cheeks

[tardy raft]

Oh yeah, “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. ... It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.”

[warm bone]

“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue,” “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”

[coarse leaf]

Yes it’s very stinky

[warm bone]

maybe nintendo should listen to valve and accept that people pirate to get things they are not allowed to buy

[coarse leaf]

Maybe Nintendo should learn how to appreciate their supporters properly

[hollow sedge]

if only they would

Steam/Valve are pretty goated, the sales are heavenly

[warm bone]

I really wanna make a chad wojak on nintendo's view on piracy and and valve's

[coarse leaf]

What’s a chad wojack

[coarse leaf]

Half-life 3 😔

[warm bone]

too much internet culture background to properly explain

basically its cool person vs not cool person

[coarse leaf]

Ohhhh

Just say the chad vs virgin meme. Nintendo: virgin. valve: chad

[coarse leaf]

Ez, not much

[mortal grove]

wojak

[proud vale]

I mean to be fair, it doesn't make Nintendo's view on piracy irrelevant, Valve and Nintendo are two very different companies

[warm bone]

companies can learn from eachother

[coarse leaf]

Not irrelevant, but outdated

[proud vale]

Valve doesn't make many games these days whilst Nintendo does and tries to make people maintain hype. Though of course I'm not defending them as they don't listen to fans at all

[coarse leaf]

True

[proud vale]

Not outdated either, just their rule with an iron fist on unsupported games is not needed

[warm bone]

I say it is outdated

[coarse leaf]

^

other companies handle it waaaayyyy better

[proud vale]

Most other companies haven't been around as long or don't have as many original titles to 'defend'

[coarse leaf]

True, true. But charging 20$ a year for not even all games for just their first two consoles? Outdated

[warm bone]

its 20 a year

[proud vale]

Wut, what are you referring to

[warm bone]

nintendo online

[coarse leaf]

^

[midnight turret]

I would as well. Well, kinda. The theoretical dated form of piracy that Nintendo acts around isn't really....there? Maybe I'm just too young, but I feel like their policies address what is essentially a separate issue

[reef scarab]

Nintendo is the Disney of gaming

[proud vale]

True

I mean Disney at least has Disney+ though, which is certainly convenient

[midnight turret]

Ehhhh. It brings certain properties to the forefront that were harder to get ahold of, but needing yet another streaming service to get a full range of recent films is frustrating

[coarse leaf]

Definitely. Disney plus is way more convenient then Nintendo online.

[midnight turret]

I'm speaking as a broke student though, so every streaming service I consider is weighed against a possibility of loss of food

[reef scarab]

N-Nintendo switch online?

[coarse leaf]

Worse

[reef scarab]

Disney plus is cool and all but you need to pay for some of the stuff on there on a service you already regularly pay for

[coarse leaf]

Only stuff that has a theatrical release. They have to get money for the movie somehow

But yeah. Overpriced

[nimble pebble]

Nintendo online grants being able to play online which is a good enough deal for me

[reef scarab]

And then Nintendo gives you a small selection of nes and snes and locks playing anything online behind a $20 yearly fee

[coarse leaf]

Same here. I don’t think you should have to pay for it though, but hey I still do

[reef scarab]

Don’t really have a choice tbh

As a Splatoon and smash fan

[analog forge]

20$ yearly is hardly anything at all

thats like, a dollar and some change a month

[nimble pebble]

I'm also a fan of a few online games so I don't have much choice either not that I care Knowing Nintendo they'd easily charge $50 a year $20 a year is a steal

[coarse leaf]

Keyword small. Also just nes and snes? What about al the others? Virtual console was way better

[reef scarab]

Yeah I can pay that

[nimble pebble]

It's a shame Nintendo hates Gamecube so much because Gamecube online would be Legendary

[warm bone]

or wii

[reef scarab]

But god damn isn’t Nintendo like already the richest company in Japan? Why should I have to pay a yearly subscription to use a console that costed $300

[coarse leaf]

Exactly. When they basically do no upkeeping for the servers and the online sucks butt

[reef scarab]

If you’re gonna charge for something that was previously free you could at least improve it

[reef scarab]

Melee players are foaming at the mouth

[coarse leaf]

Imagine

[nimble pebble]

I can name quite a few games I enjoyed on gamecube which would be absolute bangers if it had a Nintendo online connection but sadly Nintendo hates the Cube

[reef scarab]

Luigi’s mansion 1

[nimble pebble]

The Thousand year door

[reef scarab]

I mean I don’t have a GameCube but I have vivid memories of watching a YouTube play through

[coarse leaf]

I’m too young, would love to try all of them

[nimble pebble]

Shrek 2 the video game

Super Monkey ball 2

[warm bone]

its funny that nintendo says not to pirate their games that they don't let you buy

[analog forge]

shrek smashin and crashin racin

(was a ds game)

[nimble pebble]

Green Mean fighting Machine

[nimble pebble]

Reminds me of the Shrek melee game on the Gamecube that was Smash but Shrek characters

[reef scarab]

https://youtu.be/LC4QhLvyV9M if you remember watching this you a real one

[warm bone]

naw I was a chuggaaconroy kid

[nimble pebble]

Same

[reef scarab]

I just remember that particular play through

[nimble pebble]

Literally watching him play Xenoblade Chronicles 2 right now

[reef scarab]

Also hot take super paper mario is an amazing game

[warm bone]

I also think this

[nimble pebble]

Not a hot take most agree

[reef scarab]

I’ve seen a lot of negative opinions but I guess that’s changed after seeing recent paper Mario games lol

[warm bone]

its cause the ttyd people were wanting another ttyd

[reef scarab]

I have a lot of nostalgia from that game.

Child me was a dumbass who couldn’t get past the safe puzzle in world 2 so I thought I had to grind out all million rubies

[nimble pebble]

Well it followed up TTYD and people were hungry for TTYD once there was two shitty iterations after SPM people realised SPM is actually good an they only hated it because it wasn't TTYD

[reef scarab]

God now I wanna play SPM

[nimble pebble]

Personally my Top 3 Paper Mario's is

1. Super Paper Mario
2. Paper Mario Origami king
3. The Thousand year door

[reef scarab]

Is TTYD turn based?

[warm bone]

it's not turn cringe

sorry

[nimble pebble]

I own every Luigi's mansion game except 1 and while I did see it at a bluenose once (Idk probably Canadian gamestop or something) but I didn't really feel like copping it at the time

[reef scarab]

SPM does stand out from the rest of the series heh

God there’s just so much to it though

[noble patrol]

I haven't played any paper mario game yet

[reef scarab]

excellent use of the Wii

[nimble pebble]

PM franchise and the Mario side Franchises in General handled TBRPG in a way that wasn't agonising

[charred pulsar]

Origami King over TTYD? I've yet to play Origami but wow, if it's above TTYD must be good

I love TTYD haha

[reef scarab]

The turn based systems in both Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario aren’t your traditional press a button do an attack

[nimble pebble]

The M&L franchise had beautiful TBRPG mechanics including he ability to counter instead of taking the hit

[reef scarab]

Like, as an example in Mario and Luigi usually you can time shell kicks with Mario and Luigi for a lot of damage!

[warm bone]

I still have not finished ttyd

[reef scarab]

Did I hallucinate that one game that’s a mix of Mario and Luigi and paper Mario

[warm bone]

no

[reef scarab]

Was it good I haven’t played it in a while

I think I used my powersave and added cheats to that game lol

[nimble pebble]

Just how I feel personally most would probably put TTYD over PMOK but I just felt the combat was better in PMOK since I'm not an avid fan of Turn based combat

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[nimble pebble]

Nah it existed and it was terrible

[reef scarab]

Too gimmicky?

[nimble pebble]

Instead of making something new and creative Alphadream made two shitty 3d remasters and a shitty crossover

[reef scarab]

Also I was too young to really critique games then so- how is Mario and Luigi dream team?

[nimble pebble]

Then they went Bankrupt

[warm bone]

[nimble pebble]

[reef scarab]

I remember enjoying it but I think I enjoyed Bowsers inside story more

[crude galleon]

Need more silksong new or will die

[noble patrol]

Die

[nimble pebble]

Heavily Unoriginal

[crude galleon]

[analog forge]

guess you'll just die then

[crude galleon]

I need ss news to breath

[nimble pebble]

I find it to be great but it's got a lot of unskippable tutorials which I personally didn't give a shit about because I liked the game, skipping tutorials only came in Paper jam, well it was more a fast forward

[nimble pebble]

The best one IMO

[crude galleon]

If no ss news on e3 2022 I'm gonna die

[warm bone]

you will die regardless

[reef scarab]

I got stuck at the wiggler because eight year old me didn’t understand what to do in the carrot minigame

[crude galleon]

The question is when

[nimble pebble]

Oh man same, but I believe I was a bit older

[noble patrol]

If you need silksong news to breathe you are going to die before e3 2022

[reef scarab]

There’s quite the trend of younger me being a huge dumbass

[nimble pebble]

Still didn't get it though

[crude galleon]

I'm running on small bits left behind

[nimble pebble]

Isn't that the trend with most kids when they're young

[noble patrol]

Yes

[reef scarab]

I wanna go back in time and tell young me that she should read the dang instructions on what to do oh my god

[crude galleon]

I think ss will come 2023

Metroid dread and ori will keep me alive till then

[nimble pebble]

I'm a Q1-Q3 2022 kind of guy until we pass Q3 2022

[crude galleon]

When I see a notification that tc has posted on their yt again

[reef scarab]

Once Silksong comes out it’ll be hard to chat with the regulars so it should just not come out so we can all keep hanging ||/j||

[crude galleon]

|| ||

Also no

[nimble pebble]

Yeah, this place will turn into a cesspool of new people like #hk-discussion

[crude galleon]

Yaaaaaaay

We get to help them

But it will be sad bc speculating is fun

Also what's the problem with newer people coming here

The majority would still stay in hk discussion bc it's the first game in the series

[noble patrol]

Hungry knight

[reef scarab]

Can’t wait for ff-discussion if the next game is called fearless fox

[crude galleon]

Yes

[crude galleon]

It will be called zb-discussion

[nimble pebble]

The mods have been discussing whether or not to make this the TC server instead of the HK server if that happens

[crude galleon]

Yeah

[nimble pebble]

It's either that or a FF server

[crude galleon]

Tc server would be better instead of joining multiple servers for their games

[reef scarab]

Final fantasy server

[crude galleon]

Do you think they would make other IP's or stick to the knights world

[nimble pebble]

They already have one

[crude galleon]

I feel dumb

[nimble pebble]

Fearless Fox

[crude galleon]

Where

[nimble pebble]

It's on their list of trademarks they own

[crude galleon]

OOOooOooooo

I love the art style of hk and I hope they keep it for other games apart from the hk franchise

They most probably will anyway

[nimble pebble]

TC has said they want to move on to other games after SS which I think is a good idea since I don't want TC to get boxed into being the Company Hollow Knight and actually get to explore their other ideas, also Ari potentially wants to try other genres besides Metroidvania but all TC games would keep their style of world building and open worldness

[nimble pebble]

It's Ari's art style why would it change

[crude galleon]

Ik and that emoji makes me feel uncomfy

[mortal grove]

[reef scarab]

Didn’t they not really call HK a metroidvania in the first place?

[nimble pebble]

You don't like the Servers most used emote?

[nimble pebble]

Yeah it was an accident

[mortal grove]

[crude galleon]

Maybe I'm just built different

[nimble pebble]

That one is also common

[mortal grove]

[crude galleon]

[mortal grove]

[dusty nimbus]

[nimble pebble]

Has been used 328,127 times

[crude galleon]

Zotebote should be like warioware 😱 😱

[hollow sedge]

elderc was everywhere a year ago

[reef scarab]

328,128*

[nimble pebble]

Isn't even a real shot of Zotes face someone edited Zote's grumpy face to smile

[reef scarab]

god my joke turned into a mess

[nimble pebble]

[crude galleon]

Need nitro

. 🐒

[mortal grove]

so zotent is the real

[crude galleon]

Watch monkey dance

[nimble pebble]

Where's the last fuckin statue for me to put this plort into to open the door

[crude galleon]

Monkey stopped dancing

[nimble pebble]

[crude galleon]

The name of the emoji

[nimble pebble]

Zote Intense X

[noble patrol]

5

[mortal grove]

zote is blinded by the light

[crude galleon]

I hate myself

[nimble pebble]

Anyone would be if they saw Light mode discord

[mortal grove]

[green kraken]

Betterdiscord + black theme feelsgoodman

[mortal grove]

mods have been snapped

[crude galleon]

They snapped?

What have they been snapped by

[nimble pebble]

[mortal grove]

me i snapped them theyre gone now

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[noble patrol]

Zote intense x 7 is good

[crude galleon]

🍇 🥊

Do u see it

[nimble pebble]

[mortal grove]

punching a grape???

[nimble pebble]

Fruit punch

[mortal grove]

oh

[crude galleon]

🍇 🥊 💥

[nimble pebble]

Fruit Punch Baja blast

[crude galleon]

🌎 🗡️

[mortal grove]

kill americans

[nimble pebble]

Xenoblade?

Idk what that one means

[green kraken]

destroy the americas

[crude galleon]

🍇 🥊 ->🌍 💥

[noble patrol]

Don't punch grapes

The earth will explode apparently

[crude galleon]

[nimble pebble]

Fruit Punch greater than Planetary destruction?

[crude galleon]

I'm just not gonna say what that is

:)

[nimble pebble]

Ok then, Movin on

[crude galleon]

I hope ss has more replayability than hk

I am killer of chat

😌 🔪

[coarse leaf]

Same

[spark pine]

I wonder how many endings Silksong will have, if there is even gonna be more than one

[noble patrol]

There is going to be 0 endings

[nimble pebble]

3 endings

with 2 more added in DLC

[ripe kraken]

it cant end if it never begins

[mortal grove]

that is true

kill planet = no fruit
no fruit = no fruit punch

[ripe kraken]

tf is fruit punch

[fallow apex]

Punch made of fruit

[mortal grove]

this reminds me of that one club penguin game where you hop on fruit to make juice lol

[nimble pebble]

Never thought I'd see the day where I'd meet someone who doesn't know what Fruit Punch is

[tranquil igloo]

bruh are you joking

[ripe kraken]

nah

[nimble pebble]

Club Penguin is based, sad to see it gone

[tranquil igloo]

nah nah you gotta be joking

[mortal grove]

theres rewritten

[ripe kraken]

i dont live in the us

[tranquil igloo]

I thought it was everywhere around the world

except north korea

[ripe kraken]

nah its not here

[solid bluff]

I'm not from the US and i know what it is

Also hi

[tranquil igloo]

it's a drink in stores it's pretty good

[ripe kraken]

so is a juice

[tranquil igloo]

yeah it's like koolaid

[tribal merlin]

nah, it's not a juice, it's water, sugar and a ton of flavors with like 1.2% fruit

[nimble pebble]

Depends if it's artificial or home made

[mortal grove]

pink lemondade

[tranquil igloo]

depends

[tribal merlin]

if it's in capital letters like "Fruit Punch" I assume it's not home made

[buoyant osprey]

i just realized that we might be potentially getting botw2 before ss lmao

[signal crag]

Also Elden Ring ahah

[buoyant osprey]

true :0

[cursive jetty]

I hope Silksong comes out until mid 2022, because I wanna play it before elden ring and I don't know how long I can wait before buying elden ring

[dusty nimbus]

Sounds more like a you problem than TC problem

[craggy fjord]

honestly, ss is taking a reasonable amount of time to come out considering hk took 3 years?

[broken nexus]

yeah true i guess

[stoic path]

I've watched the Nintendo Treehouse demo of Silksong 5 times now. Please help

[cerulean sable]

ive learned to accept this since this early 2021

if i did, i would be hyping for a late 2021 release

ive settled for somewhere mid 2022 instead