sk-discussion

[candid brook]

👋

[subtle tusk]

buh-bye

[stark prism]

brb i gotta go invent time travel by putting a shitload of alluminum foil into the microwave

[subtle tusk]

nice

but is Zote the Pale King?

[coarse leaf]

Yeah. Reincarnate

[subtle tusk]

100%

most absolutely definitely

[coarse leaf]

Remove the /s

[subtle tusk]

done

[coarse leaf]

[subtle tusk]

when zote 'dies' he is really just shedding his form again to reincarnate

[left yacht]

Zote doesn't die

[stark prism]

if you won't hear from me for some time that means it worked and i travelled into the future and am playing silksong

[subtle tusk]

Zote is the final boss of Silksong

[coarse leaf]

So i just woke and did we get ss news in the indie world direct

[left yacht]

G'bye and g'luck

[subtle tusk]

sadly, no

[stark prism]

no but i will tell you when we do

[elfin badge]

So is this discord gonna die when ss comes out cause everyone will be playing or will it be super active

[barren roost]

think about what would be happening if we did

[coarse leaf]

Ok goodnight then

[left yacht]

The latter will be with trolls, the former will be true of actual players

[subtle tusk]

I'm a professional Silksong leaker and I'll tell you who the villain is. The Mighty, Zote. Are you blown away, yet?

[stark prism]

or it will be filled with anger and disappointment, and people not playing silksong

[subtle tusk]

Zote is also the new form of the Pale King

[coarse leaf]

Do we get more precepts

[stark prism]

nobody knows that yet

[left yacht]

That as well

[subtle tusk]

Another 100 of 'em

[left yacht]

This is good

[coarse leaf]

Good i have been using then as a guide and i need more

[subtle tusk]

Zote chants during the fight.

[stark prism]

fuck. i don't have enough aluminium foil to fill the entire microwave

[subtle tusk]

In fact, he doesn't die until he finishes. Zote that is.

[stark prism]

can someone suggest any alternatives?

[subtle tusk]

You can try to make Silksong yourself then play it.

It's a big brain move

[stark prism]

i guess you are right

[languid linden]

Is all this meming necessary?

[subtle tusk]

what meming?

[languid linden]

[stark prism]

i shall fill the microwave with spiders and create silksong

[subtle tusk]

It's brilliant.

[languid linden]

Wait this is #sk-discussion, I guess you can carry on

[left yacht]

Make some then

[subtle tusk]

ZOTE IS THE PALE KING CONFIRMED

[stark prism]

also i should probably just throw in a random game with a box and disk so it absorbs the spider essence easier

[subtle tusk]

Oh yeah, totally.

[stark prism]

i will be really pissed if i get the switch version

[subtle tusk]

lol

[stark prism]

so yeah getting that many spiders will probably take 5 months

[subtle tusk]

probably faster than silksong news

[coarse leaf]

You reek of a particular vibe. And I’m not too fond or glad about it

Hmm... 🦈

[left yacht]

That was slow, Fool. You can do better

[stark prism]

i don't live in Australia and all the air in the basements is poisoned
and i aint going outside since i don't want to get snapped in half by a bunch of boars

[coarse leaf]

Slow?

[subtle tusk]

oof

[coarse leaf]

I am constantly being interrupted in the real world currently, I shouldn’t be expected to speak so damn quick

[stark prism]

so yeah i will just bank on the spiders entering my window by random chance

[left yacht]

You took quite some time to respond

[subtle tusk]

still faster than silksong news

[coarse leaf]

^

Brb

[subtle tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-dancing-polishcow-60fps-epiccow-gif-20075131

That's me right now.

[left yacht]

You said the gaiphs were done.

[pallid flare]

stop with the gifs

mods will destroy you

[maiden forge]

I've decided to make silksong myself

[left yacht]

How's that going

[maiden forge]

I'll be done in about 60 years

[last brook]

oof

[maiden forge]

I cant to art, coding or composing so this is harder than expected

[left yacht]

Devide that by three... subtract 10... Silksong will be done in 10 years!

[maiden forge]

So far all I've got is the title

[analog lily]

Why

Silksong hasn't been announced

[thorn umbra]

what?

[analog lily]

(visable pain)

[last brook]

?

[thorn umbra]

what do you mean by that

[analog lily]

It was not at indie world

[last brook]

its at e3

[analog lily]

E3 already passed

[left yacht]

So it has been announced

[last brook]

it as

[analog lily]

unless you mean next year

[thorn umbra]

i certaintly DID NOT see it at e3

[maiden forge]

There isn't a rule that there can only be 1 e3 this year... we got a shot

[analog lily]

I am just hoping it will be at PAX 2021

[left yacht]

An E3, not the most recent one

[subtle tusk]

less than an hour ago, this chat was talking about whether shrek is a good movie series or not

[thorn umbra]

WHY

[analog lily]

Bruh

[thorn umbra]

and?

[maiden forge]

No way

[analog lily]

what?

[stoic jacinth]

It’s a placeholder date

[maiden forge]

Real!!!!!!!!

[analog lily]

My word

[stoic jacinth]

I hope that wasn’t news to anyone

[analog lily]

(Visable celebration)

[subtle tusk]

I just checkd on steam it says "TBA"

[maiden forge]

Yeah obviously it was a joke post lol

[subtle tusk]

oh

[thorn umbra]

I'm playing it on loop cause its good

[maiden forge]

I mean otherwise there'd be like 10 fans constantly checking it posting it

[analog lily]

True

[maiden forge]

Bonebottom tho... so beautiful

[analog lily]

Yeah, i just checked steam and it says TBA

[severe quarry]

Pretty sure rules require a "fake" tag

[subtle tusk]

Well, do you think that Zote is the reincarnation of the Pale King?

[thorn umbra]

no'

[maiden forge]

Thank you funny worm

[analog lily]

Praise the worm for it's wisdom

[subtle tusk]

I'm pretty sure the Pale King shed his old form and took a new one as Zote the Mighty /s

[thorn umbra]

no

[subtle tusk]

yes

[maiden forge]

I think he took form as gorb

[thorn umbra]

gorb

[subtle tusk]

ascend ascend

[thorn umbra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/736153071218065508/874515209564327966/gorb.gif

[maiden forge]

I think we need a gorb irl

[thorn umbra]

yes

i would accidentally step on him

[subtle tusk]

ascend ascend with gorb

[analog lily]

ascend with gorb, then do ascended gorb

[subtle tusk]

yes

[thorn umbra]

pogo on gorb to be higher

[maiden forge]

Gorb when he keeps ascending but hits the skybox

[subtle tusk]

which shrek movie is your favorite mine is shrek 4

[nimble pebble]

You must declare fake or be terminated

[thorn umbra]

fake

[analog lily]

that was a fake posts

[maiden forge]

I'm pretty sure I only watched shrek 1

[subtle tusk]

shrek 1 is pretty good

[carmine coral]

and shrek4

[subtle tusk]

I love shrek 4

[carmine coral]

[analog lily]

I haven't even seen shrek 4

Maybe I should

[pallid flare]

naah

it's kinda bad

[maiden forge]

Don't watch movies they just distract you from the government secrets

[subtle tusk]

shrek 4 is about government secrets

[maiden forge]

Spend your time researching birds and the silksong release date

[thorn umbra]

this channel is actually shrek-disscussion not #sk-discussion

[storm shore]

the birds will lead us to the silksong

[subtle tusk]

silksong release date in encrypted in shrek 4

[analog lily]

after i watch shrek 4

[nimble pebble]

you still have to claim it

[coarse leaf]

ss-discussion stands for splended shrek discussion

[storm shore]

solid snake discussion

[maiden forge]

solid steel discussion

Who here loves steel I do its pretty strong eh

[analog lily]

I haven't even tried steel soul yet

[pallid flare]

steel is stronk

[storm shore]

steel soul discussion, this chat is now only for hk ironman advice

[pallid flare]

why is it steel soul if steel is really stong

[thorn umbra]

I came here for hacked release dates not #hk-discussion

[storm shore]

how can you hack what dosent exist

[thorn umbra]

good point

[maiden forge]

I hacked the release date using inspect element, it's now August 14th. Thank me later

[barren roost]

grob

[languid linden]

Thank you lurking mod

[hollow terrace]

[subtle tusk]

have I seen you before?

[cedar trench]

Pyro

Its 1 am

[pallid flare]

what

[reef scarab]

chucklefish

[pallid flare]

we doing silksong

[cedar trench]

Sotrue can i join in

[pallid flare]

yes

i cant sleep my head hurts

[reef scarab]

This is relevant

[cedar trench]

Interesting…

[lethal elbow]

any news abt the release date of ss? was watching the nintendo indie and it reminded me about this game

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[cedar trench]

Nah this channel would be hell if otherwise

[reef scarab]

You missed the hell that occurred

[cedar trench]

The perk of being absolutely gone for a while is that you can make a lot of inside jokes while some regulars try to remember who the hell you are

[stoic jacinth]

I think a good rule of thumb is that if there isn’t a 2 day slowmode, no news for ss

[pallid flare]

its all just a burning memory

[cedar trench]

Its all just a

Piss jug snow monastery….

[reef scarab]

When Silksong comes out leth should do a playthrough of it online and call it a leth’s play

[languid linden]

Uhh, yes, about 10 minutes ago

[subtle tusk]

Where?

[languid linden]

in #hk-lore and also in here

[lethal elbow]

oh ok mb

[subtle tusk]

nice

[slate wagon]

imagine #hk-lore

[pallid flare]

bad, bad place

[cedar trench]

Lore users regurgitating inf- i guess i cant talk since i am a regular at #sk-discussion

[reef scarab]

Silksong who

[serene chasm]

#hk-lore? more like #bore

[languid linden]

True!

[barren roost]

#snore

[subtle tusk]

#luigi

[nimble pebble]

#bore more like #Drawer

[subtle tusk]

#drawer more like #dancingpolishcow

[barren roost]

#dancingpolishcow more like #hk-lore

isn't it weird that they've never been seen in the same room?

[reef scarab]

That’s because nobody would willingly enter #hk-lore

[stoic jacinth]

lore channel is all fun and games until someone asks if the knight is hollow

[reef scarab]

I’m gonna do it

[barren roost]

we all know at least half the people here have been in #hk-lore in the past few days

for instance, mobstermanthe69th

[reef scarab]

We do a little trolling

[dry valley]

I hope that there is a chuckster npc in silksong. Just a big bug that chucks you to plaes

[nimble pebble]

[nimble pebble]

Good call back

[dry valley]

“Hey spider lady! I’m a chuckster!”

[stoic jacinth]

hopefully they fixed the AI from sunshine

[dry valley]

Nope

[reef scarab]

I can’t wait to just like

[dry valley]

You get thrown to your death every fifth time

[stoic jacinth]

I get sunshine was TCs first game but that AI was broken asf

[reef scarab]

run around

[dry valley]

same

[reef scarab]

TK is slow but hornet fast so running will be fun

[dry valley]

Hornet has so many gameplay options it’s unreal

You could probably have an all projectiles build and just play touhou Luna nights but spider

[stoic jacinth]

Introducing: Sprinting but it isn’t a 12% speed increase team cherry are you kidding me who needs a 12% speed increase over Nailmasters glory

and there’s that sprint jump, which can lead into a more effective dash, looks incredible

[dry valley]

I can’t wait to see what tc meant with that spin attack

[reef scarab]

You know you’re making a good game when people are excited about running

[dry valley]

That sounds dope

[nimble pebble]

Nyoom

[dry valley]

TC has tight movement down for HK so it’s exciting to think about how they will evolve that for SS

[stoic jacinth]

Also I can’t wait for every tool to be incredible and 1 to be straight up garbage

calling it now, this one

[dry valley]

Well that’s inevitable

[nimble pebble]

Gourde

[dry valley]

That looks like a Gatorade fr!!!!

[reef scarab]

ngl Silksong feels like the chess to the originals checkers if that makes sense

[nimble pebble]

That's a gourde my dude

[stoic jacinth]

I mean why am I getting so excited about throwing knives that’s not even super inventive

[dry valley]

That shit looks like a kelp shake no cap!!

[dry valley]

Play touhou Luna nights I’m begging you

[stoic jacinth]

souls flask

[nimble pebble]

It's those Japanese gourdes the samurai drank from in depictions

[reef scarab]

The straight pins look like a really fun tool to use

[stoic jacinth]

Fighting with friends also sounds cool, hope we can fight with Shakra

[nimble pebble]

Drink it to get into a drunken rage and do 500% of the damage but you pass out after a minute

What else would an alcoholic gourd do

[dry valley]

Drunk hornet

[stoic jacinth]

instantly fast travels to the nearest hospital for alcohol poisoning

[nimble pebble]

Hornet is a master of Drunken fist

[nimble pebble]

[drifting haven]

No silksong at nintendo indie world

[dry valley]

As expected

[tepid lynx]

i hold out hope that SS will pull an AV2

[dry valley]

i love that the little spikes from her battle in HK are a gadget now

[stoic jacinth]

oh yeah that’s so cool

turning HK boss moves into mechanics

the silk spin thing that’s in HK sold me on the game as the trailer released

[analog lily]

hopefully they it will be useful

[dry valley]

I’m sure it will be

[stoic jacinth]

You can pogo off of them so they can probably skip really well

Sort of like a portable miner axe from crystal peaks

[analog lily]

I think most or even all of hornet's attacks will be in silksong,

[stoic jacinth]

Well the parry, silk storm thing, spiky ball are all confirmed to be in. Past that it’s mostly just dash attacks and stuff

[dry valley]

They probably will function like mines for enemies to walk into

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah we don’t know if the needle throw will be in the game though

That’s the one non-dash attack that’s not in

[junior bane]

Well, we do have the needle throw into pull, which I guess counts

[coarse leaf]

heres my periodical check in for silksong release speculations/news

[tepid lynx]

nothin, go back to sleep

[languid linden]

Did we have a nuke today?

[nimble radish]

nah

[drifting ice]

i wasn't expecting anything from indie world and i was still disappointed

[cedar trench]

Red stew from isaac

[pallid girder]

How’s it going fellow clowns

[nimble pebble]

Eh, I liked slime rancher and islanders port but it was mostly meh yeah

[pallid girder]

[cedar trench]

What is the current most reliable theory

I need something to ruin

[olive bobcat]

I trolled people!

[languid linden]

Flower theory ig

[olive bobcat]

This was good (fake for clarification)

[pallid girder]

Nice

[dusty kettle]

You can't play Silksong if your bench press is less than 135 and your squat is less than 225

[cedar trench]

I was more talking about release date and all of that

[iron spear]

Only 5 hate DMS I woke to. You guys are losing your touch

Though TC boys have received a bunch lmao

[cedar trench]

I can fix this one if you want to graig 👉 👈

[dusty kettle]

Hey Graig what's your bench, squat, and deadlift pr

[iron spear]

I can't remember

[full rune]

but throwing a fit was how i got my way i thought it would work

[languid linden]

Oh

November 19th

[cedar trench]

So true

We will

[stoic jacinth]

tc dev talking

[dusty kettle]

I should be the new Graig

[cedar trench]

Confirmed by ow the edge magazine

[stoic jacinth]

wait actually

[cedar trench]

Yeah!!!

[stoic jacinth]

I’m getting trolled here aren’t I

[cedar trench]

No

[iron spear]

Yes

[languid linden]

It was less confirmed and more a guess by the writer of the silksong article

[cedar trench]

This feels do paradoxal

[nimble pebble]

Children, the lot of them

[stoic jacinth]

can I put this in my crappy online magazine as a deconfirm from tc dev

[iron spear]

No

[stoic jacinth]

thank you for permission graig

[cedar trench]

I think graig was the troll here

[dusty kettle]

Does it anyway

[nimble pebble]

Graig is always the troll

The only one in TC who trolls as much as him is Wilbo

[hasty fiber]

"hey guys, dev here
hollow knight has no lore"

[iron spear]

Nintendo needs to stop doing 50 of these directs a year lmao

[nimble radish]

just do 1 big direct

[nimble pebble]

Ari uno reversed carded that

[dusty kettle]

Fr dry ass empty boring Indie games

[languid linden]

They must get so many viewers from desperate silksong fans

[stoic jacinth]

1 big direct would still multiply the hate messages by x50

never safe

[nimble pebble]

I feel they should just do one indie direct for the small guys then a big direct for the AAA and that's it

[iron spear]

Yeah 1 big direct. Like a big time of year to tell everyone everything. Like ... A convention to make it easier for all the gaming press and shareholders who need to know this stuff all at the same place. Call it like E3

[nimble pebble]

Yeah

[stoic jacinth]

why not E4 more numbers more games

[cedar trench]

Call it D3 and make all the games obese penguins

[dusty kettle]

Anyone want to come find the TC database server and steal the game

[cedar trench]

No

[hollow sedge]

[nimble pebble]

If you steal it TC can't make another game cause no money

I for one want more games

[cedar trench]

Choose wisely

[dusty kettle]

They're millionaires I'm sure they'll manage

[nimble pebble]

They don't pocket that

[dusty kettle]

😐

[nimble pebble]

Most of it goes back into making games

[hollow sedge]

they def rich though

[cedar trench]

Tc made a truckload of money

[dusty kettle]

As if you know TC's financial situation

Are you their accountant or something

[hollow sedge]

you don't either

[dusty kettle]

They're still millionaires based off of basic revenue and tax calculations

[tawdry palm]

They dont have to pay many people, they are the devs

[hollow terrace]

and yet they're still developing silksong ?

[tawdry palm]

So it "going back into the games" is them having the money

[hollow terrace]

sounds like they wasted too much on luxuries

[nimble pebble]

They invested in a live orchestra and a porting team as well as the money they use to make the game in general, game deving is like moviesi t's expensive there's many costs, much more than you know

[gusty hatch]

what if tc is waiting for the fans to behave before releasing the game

[hollow sedge]

cant believe its been 600 days

[heady iron]

Ari now dines on the finest croissants in Adelaide

[nimble pebble]

Well yeah they have money but it's probably just set aside in their bank account and spend just as much they did before on daily necessities and shove most of it into the game to make it as great as possible

[nimble pebble]

Happy for the lad

NGL stealing someones hard work then saying "It's ok they have extra money they'll live makes you a dick lol

[barren roost]

900

[tawdry palm]

i recall we did the math and ended up at like 8 million on the high end

that was when joker got really weird about the whole thing and demanded i work it out

[hollow sedge]

wait 900 days?

[nimble pebble]

They're spending or their profits because 9 million is low end on how much they made from HK

At least without taxes

[barren roost]

yes

[hollow sedge]

oh shit 909 days damn

[nimble pebble]

It's been 222-3 days since last news but 909 since annoucement

[tawdry palm]

with a 60% cut and moderate sales we ended up with like.... 10 million? its been a month since i did the math, either way they have a million monies between them

[hollow sedge]

why is everyone celebrating 600 days on the hk reddit wut

[hollow terrace]

sounds like we need to buy out TC the company to get silksong

[nimble pebble]

If we're talking the raw grossing of HK without the added cuts for taxes and platforms they could have made at most about 45 million

[sand sequoia]

Some guy did crappy drawings per day until silkspng comes out. Just hit 600

[nimble pebble]

Lmao

[hollow sedge]

ohhh bruh, mans is farming karma holy

[sand sequoia]

So far the only person who continued the per day activity until silksong is released.

[reef scarab]

It’s been 904 days

[sand sequoia]

Well. He started 600 days ago.

[hollow sedge]

that takes some dedication

[reef scarab]

Oh wait nvm

[nimble pebble]

Its been 600 since that person started

[reef scarab]

I’ve been calling someone a nerd on the Silksong reveal trailer everyday and I just hit 90

[hollow terrace]

conflicting answers on days since silksong and yet calculated the revenue that TC probably made from the HK series

[languid linden]

909/910

[reef scarab]

probably one billion kajillion dollars

[dusty kettle]

2.8 M copies sold at $15 retail
42 M Gross
30% Nintendo cut means
29.4 M
30% Company tax rate in Australia
20.58 M net profit for the company as a whole

I don't think Silksong would take more than 3-4 M for development, maybe more maybe less

[hollow terrace]

ill just take what graig told me about this whole ordeal

[sand sequoia]

11 million copies sold?

[hollow terrace]

which was "who cares lmao"

[dry valley]

People really think money makes a good game lol

Look at all the triple a titles that objectively suck

[sand sequoia]

Regardless, they sold enough to be comfortable and take their time in the development of SS.

[dry valley]

Absolutely, and I’m glad

[warm bone]

they made enough to not be dependent on silksong's sales

[charred pulsar]

Money doesn't make a good game, but it helps reduce restrictions. So it helps make a good game, but it doesn't make the game alone

Obvious but ye

[sand sequoia]

Yea it is pretty awesome.

[dry valley]

Yeah

[dusty kettle]

How many employees do you think are working on SS

[chilly nexus]

imagine jeffrey bezos buys out TC because he's secretly also waiting for silksong

[dusty kettle]

I would say maybe 50

[chilly nexus]

i just checked out the indie direct and so many of the games look cool! I wish i had more time to try them out

[formal karma]

3

[dry valley]

50 seems pretty high

[chilly nexus]

if i had to pick 1, it's a toss up between eastward and axiom verge

[warm bone]

axiom verge 2 is definitely pog

[chilly nexus]

ye it looks fantastic

[dry valley]

I’m sure there’s at least ten not including the big 3

[dusty kettle]

If we say that there are 10 people working on the game and have an average salary of $60k per year over 3 years then that's almost 2 mil already spent on employee salaries alone

Not to mention promise of percent profit from the game

[warm bone]

🤓

[chilly nexus]

keep in mind that with most games, the salary is paid out by the game's sales. in this case tc had enough from hk to not really have to get by until the game's release

[dusty kettle]

You can't pay from game's sales when the game hasn't released yet 😐

[chilly nexus]

it's not like they made X dollars/year while working on HK, but you take what they made from HK from sales, and divide that by the dev years to get effective wage

[sand sequoia]

Did they say anything about having more employees than the 3 plus graig and leth?

[dusty kettle]

Yeah they have a bigger team now

[warm bone]

not to mention the two admins in the server, and other playtesters we don't know about

[dusty kettle]

Admins get paid?

[chilly nexus]

the credits list in HK was pretty big, but i'm p sure the core brains behind the game are still just ari and will (and jack)

[warm bone]

they're playtesters

[chilly nexus]

i test games for free simo have mainly tested ios apps for a few ppl

[sand sequoia]

Depending on what stage they are at in development will dictate how many play testers they need.

[dusty kettle]

I'm going to reach deep into Simo's psyche through hypnosis and find out what he knows about the game

[languid linden]

They get payed for playtesting, not being admins, but yes

[chilly nexus]

ah yes, finally, another who is like me

[charred pulsar]

[languid linden]

Or at least I'm pretty sure they get payed

[warm bone]

now do it, its your chance

[coarse leaf]

I smell Jacoby. And a strange moderator scent coming off of a member who isn’t even a moderator. And a discord admin playtester.

[chilly nexus]

[coarse leaf]

Weird entry aside, how is everybody?

[dusty kettle]

It takes time to hypnotize over discord, I might need decades of psychological implantation and trickery.

[warm bone]

start

[chilly nexus]

pretty good! been productive today with the email sending

lots of emails

[coarse leaf]

I’ve been productive today doing absolutely nothing but doing a little trolling and partaking in a little tomfoolery on Discord

[obsidian juniper]

I,m fine

[coarse leaf]

[obsidian juniper]

I Joined the server today and i had a good Time till now

[coarse leaf]

Crowsworn > Silksong. React with the reactions to choose your side

[carmine coral]

sliksong

[split marlin]

I think it's a little unfair to compare em. they're both gonna be amazing games methinks!!

[carmine coral]

[charred pulsar]

What happened?

[coarse leaf]

The Indie World

[carmine coral]

[warm bone]

the indie was slightly epic

[carmine coral]

Nothing looked very interesting to me

[obsidian juniper]

Nothing,i just wrote it wrong

[obsidian juniper]

English Is not my first language

[coarse leaf]

Yeah actually though, what happened? You see, feedback is necessary for server improvemen- oh

[charred pulsar]

Welcome to the server

[warm bone]

I am very slightly disappointed by no outer wilds port but I have already played that game and therefore don't care that much.

[obsidian juniper]

I am decent at english but i struggle a little

[obsidian juniper]

Thanks

[coarse leaf]

They killed my mans Shovel Knight. Threw em’ into a matching game. Wai!

At least there’s Shovel Knight Dig?

[lament basin]

sc

[coarse leaf]

Honestly, YCG making these Shovel Knight games is why I’m glad TC isn’t continuing to make more Hollow Knight. Simple, two games and a new IP (with a potential revisit in the future). Perfection.

Otherwise, the IP is either dragged out or ruined.

[warm bone]

zelda and mario

[lament basin]

i dont think that's necessarily true

[obsidian juniper]

Whats happening with shovel knight?im out of the loop

[lament basin]

i think if an IP can maintain what makes it good through generations, it doesnt become ruined

[lament basin]

like i really hold the opposite opinion to this. zelda and mario are two IPs that have still managed to provide quality content that is both fulfilling and entertaining to fans throughout the years

but i think only really strongly established IPs are capable of doing this, especially since zelda and mario are two pioneers for video games

[warm bone]

2d mario died ages ago

[lament basin]

3d mario is an evolution on 2d mario

the 3d mario games are still received, and sell, very well

and you have to remember the zelda and mario franchises are trying to provide the exact type of experience that they provided to 14 y/o back then, to 14 y/o now. It's understandable that people who grew up on them wouldnt feel the same magic as the old ones, but kids growing up on them today feel like how you felt before

[warm bone]

naw I never liked 2d mario

[coarse leaf]

Well that’s just an opinion

[lament basin]

im more of a fan of 2d mario than 3d mario, but i prefer 2d platformers in general to 3d ones

[warm bone]

"feel like how you felt before" I felt like they were bad games

[nimble pebble]

I liked 2d mario but some of the modern ones key word some feel like they have more nuance to them

[kind drum]

was there any warning before todays indie showcase that silksong wouldn’t be in it

[lament basin]

you are the only person with video game opinions on the planet

[warm bone]

then don't assume my opinion

[lament basin]

they do, a big reason i prefer 2d mario games is largely just my preference in platformers in general, but the fact that some of the newer games have more entertaining mechanics and refreshing visuals proves that the IP can still hold strong after all these iterations, and that repetition isnt necessarily what kills an IP

[lament basin]

i use you as a placeholder neutral 3rd person pronoun, i almost never actually talking to you because i have never once had a constructive conversation with you

[nimble pebble]

I agree

Though I’m not a platformer dude

I like platformjng but not when it’s the main focus

Platforming as a sub mechanic part of exploration is great

[lament basin]

that said though, i dont think hollow knight has the prevalence and the establishment to build itself out across a ton of IPs

[nimble pebble]

It’s what makes Metroidvanias great

[lament basin]

since hollow knight isnt necessarily a super innovative game and doesnt really redefine the genre that much, it would be better to limit it to a few entries

[nimble pebble]

Tbf the HK IP is being put to test for now post SS to focus on other IP’s and not box themselves in the HK IP

[chilly nexus]

what's funny is in casual places like discord, I've found myself being explicit with "you (general you*)" :p The french got it right with having an extra pronoun (on)

[olive bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481712047743041537/808140800835584040/image0.gif

[lament basin]

any expansion on hollow knight post silksong would be best served as comic shorts for hardcore fans of the series

[shy stirrup]

honestly i dont want hk to become a super massive franchise

[lament basin]

fair enough

[shy stirrup]

if it ends with silksong so be it. I just hope tc makes more metroidvanias in the future

[nimble pebble]

They want to be TC games not HK games

[olive bobcat]

It's only a matter of time until the Knight becomes "the character from that one FNF mod"

[shy stirrup]

god i really hope tc continues making metroidvanias

[edgy sleet]

damn so indie world was a let down

[lament basin]

indie world wasnt really a letdown, it was exactly as expected, they just talked about switch indie ports, which is the whole point of the show

[shy stirrup]

only if you dont care about SLIME RANCHER BABY WHOOOOOOO

[edgy sleet]

OH YES

[shy stirrup]

Indie world is only a disappointment if you dont care about games that arent silksong.

[nimble pebble]

Agreed which is why I’m glad the IP is being put to test for now to work on other ideas they’ve had they don’t want to box themselves in with HK and they want to use other ideas and I want to see what else they can do feels like a win to me

[carmine coral]

Yeah but some people dont like the games that they showed

[obsidian juniper]

How Many years of development silksong had till now?

[shy stirrup]

it started right after hk launched

[chilly nexus]

i can see hornet being added to fall guys tbh

[carmine coral]

Since when is fall guys still a thing

[shy stirrup]

remember when fall guys tweeted @ team cherry

[lament basin]

that doesnt make it a letdown though, it did exactly what it shouldve done, people mistake indie world direct for an actual indie convention when it's just switch ports

[chilly nexus]

oh true! they did do that!

[warm bone]

about 3 I think

[chilly nexus]

maybe TC is waiting for closer to SS release so it can be a bit more promo

[carmine coral]

Well yeah it did what its supposed to do, but that lets some people down

[shy stirrup]

you people really just need to play other games LIKE SLIME RANCHER BABY WHOOOOO

[lament basin]

that's just their fault for raising their expectations beyond what the show is meant for

[carmine coral]

the knight/hornet for smash would be cool

[chilly nexus]

i think we'll get one of them as a mii swordfighter skin close to SS release (again, as promo)

[warm bone]

real

[obsidian juniper]

Thanks

[carmine coral]

bruh some people can hope for certain games to be ported, and be let down when those dont get announced

[chilly nexus]

the hottest rubber pill androgenous being

[warm bone]

YOU NEED TO MARK IT AS FAKE

[carmine coral]

new fall guys leak

[lament basin]

okay but the people here are calling it a letdown because there was no ss, which just wasnt going to happen

[shy stirrup]

not close to ss release imo since the next dlc character (and the miis alongside) launch before december

[olive bobcat]

You're not my dad you can't make me

[chilly nexus]

true, that does put a cap on things

[nimble pebble]

I just realized dream nail could a life steal move for the knight if it were in smash

[shy stirrup]

i doubt they care about releasing it alongside anyways since shantae got the costume 1 year after her game launched

at least i think i have no clue when 7 sirens came out

[warm bone]

that would be op but very cool

[lament basin]

i really dont think that an ss launch is that far off, if it is coming

[shy stirrup]

i used to be you 1 year ago

[lament basin]

i just dont think they're ever gonna talk about a release until like right before it release

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[lament basin]

no bc 1 year ago i knew it wasnt anywhere close

[nimble pebble]

Q1 Q2 2022

[shy stirrup]

i think by summer 2022 it will be out

[carmine coral]

Tomorrow

[lament basin]

but i cant see ss being released beyond 2022

[shy stirrup]

if its not out by then the game is coming out in like 2024 at this point

[nimble pebble]

Q2 includes June

[lament basin]

for a game that's kinda been in development since 2018, if not prior

[chilly nexus]

the knight could have really cool gimmiks as a standalone character yeah. double jump is obviously the monarch wings. instead of sprinting, you get a dash when you double tap a direction. neutral b is dreamnail to help build your soul meter. up down and side specials are the spells

hold b while shielding to heal

[obsidian juniper]

Maybe a charging mechanich where the knight gathers soul to do spells?

[shy stirrup]

imo neutral is a spell

[nimble pebble]

Leth said SS before CS is set for end of 2023 that makes 28 months for him to be right

[obsidian juniper]

Nvm i didnt read the end

[carmine coral]

Up smash shriek, down smash ddark, forward smash can be like a great slash

[lament basin]

you've also gotta think ss is much further along in its development than cs is

[chilly nexus]

all good 👍

[warm bone]

we have an official release window then

[obsidian juniper]

Cs?

[nimble pebble]

That’s why he said it

[shy stirrup]

nothing is official until ari emails me saying it is

[nimble pebble]

Crowsworn

[warm bone]

Crowsworn

[lament basin]

but i think ss releases by the end of Q3 2022

[obsidian juniper]

Whats Is crowsworn?

[obsidian juniper]

Im gonna Google it

[lament basin]

i doubt team cherry wants to be stuck on the hk IP for an entire decade

[nimble pebble]

They don’t

[lament basin]

i know

[nimble pebble]

They expressed wanting to do another IP after SS and Ari says he might want to do something besides a Metroidvania

[chilly nexus]

similar character and world building is all we know for sure

[warm bone]

dating sim

[charred pulsar]

o

[obsidian juniper]

Aaaaaaah its the metroidvania with the crown mask

[nimble pebble]

TC loves Apocalyptic or near apocalyptic worlds

[warm bone]

like fromsoft

[chilly nexus]

brb gonna salubra into simo's mind and interpret this 'o'

[carmine coral]

o

[chilly nexus]

this 'o' makes it more difficult to connect with his

interfering signals and all that

[carmine coral]

oooooooo

[nimble pebble]

@lament basin Personally I'd like a Puzzle adventure or Adventure RPG from TC post SS

[cedar garden]

I know we all want silksong but we should probably take into account how long hollow knight took to make; but team Cheary probably has a larger team so why is it taking this long

[shy stirrup]

the team is the same size

hollow knight was 3+music ss is 3+music

[warm bone]

same size team, bigger game

[shy stirrup]

but they are more experienced

[cedar garden]

Thank you for this insight

[nimble pebble]

3+ music and marketing dude

[lament basin]

it hasnt really been taking that long though, they started about 3 years ago, going on 4, and since they've already made a game that uses a lot of similar things, they dont have to recreate absolutely everything, so it's par for the course as far as development windows go

[dry trench]

What do you guys think will be the game after silksong

[warm bone]

fearless fox

[dry trench]

Maybe a small game on the king founding hallownest

[warm bone]

they said no more hk for a while after silksong

[dry trench]

Aw

[serene chasm]

so hyped for fearless fox

[dry trench]

Is fearless fox gonna be another metroid style game

[serene chasm]

no idea. Im kinda hoping its a zelda style game. Maybe a zelda 2 one. Since its one of Wilbo's favourite game

[chilly nexus]

i feel like HK was already their zelda 2 inspired game :p

[serene chasm]

I mean with an overworld and dungeons

[desert basin]

Zoteboat

[chilly nexus]

i can see that being cool

omg I'll never forget. my biggest mistake while playing TAoL

I made it to the final temple, but never actually beat horsehead

for those who don't know, the game saves when you make it to the final templ

[obsidian juniper]

Imaginé if team cherry pulls a metal gear solid 2 and makes zote silksong,s protagonist

[serene chasm]

Taol?

[chilly nexus]

i had to backtrack through the whole map, beat horsehead, and make it back to the final temple

[chilly nexus]

the adventure of link

[serene chasm]

Oh. I never beat it. Got pretty far then my file got currupted. If you dont turn the NES off in a certain way it deletes the saves

[nimble pebble]

about 4 going on 5 if we count when it started subtract 1 year if we start from the time it was the main project rather than a side one

[chilly nexus]

it's a pretty short game by today's standards if you still have the console and cartridge

i played it on the 3ds tbh

[nimble pebble]

It's only long if you don't know what the fuck you're doing

Which I don't

[chilly nexus]

tbh i'd just follow a guide if ur lost. the game is still fun with one

the last temple is borderline unfair without occasionally checking a map

there are fake walls that you have to jump through :p

[nimble pebble]

This is why HK is great it's a great balance

Old games are brutally unhandholdy while some newer ones are too much handholding

If the game can just naturally tell me what to do without shouting it at me I call that a win

[chilly nexus]

a lot of games are like that cuz they were originally made to be played in an arcade. so they needed you to die for you to put more coins in the machine

[serene chasm]

I dont think Zelda games had the mindset

Games like Contra did for sure

[chilly nexus]

ofc zelda didn't, but really the game was fine up till the the last temple's layout imo

and maybe finding the thunder spell

[carmine coral]

[nimble pebble]

Wasn't Zelda one made for NES though

[serene chasm]

yes

[agile herald]

When donda

[nimble pebble]

What

[agile herald]

I don’t care about silksong right now when is Kanye going to releas e donda

[nimble pebble]

That doesn't seem relevant

[fleet temple]

serious question: if there was another hk game after ss, what would it be about?

[olive bobcat]

How the fall of Hallownest was devastating for the economy

[nimble pebble]

Hollow Knight: Ogrim Adventure A game about Ogrim after he leaves Hallownest and finds a new kingdom to explore and gets wrapped up in the big problem there

And one of the endings is him living a peaceful retired life

[autumn wadi]

Zote's dad

[carmine coral]

Dead

[nimble pebble]

I feel like I'm the only one who gave a serious answer

[autumn wadi]

Yeah. I think if it were to be about anything, it would probably be related to something in Silksong that we won't know until the game comes out

Though if I wanted to see anything, I do think an Ogrim game would be nice. Not many living characters left we can follow from Hollow Knight that I think would be good playable characters

[nimble pebble]

RH was asking hypothetically because after SS we won't be getting another HK game for awhile

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[autumn wadi]

If it was a prequel though, that might have something. Maybe something watching the fall of Hollownest and you play as someone trying to escape

[nimble pebble]

yeah

[olive bobcat]

I think we should bring back New York Grindle

[nimble pebble]

Agreed

[olive bobcat]

TC not giving updates

[barren roost]

considering the economy of hollow knight consists of a guy who sells rotten eggs, a mantis-termite thing with three items in sale, a ma maker who's probably going to leave soon, toll machines that send your money to nowhere, a fly, and a thingy thats service is only useful to you the player
what am I forgetting
whatever, the point is there isn't much of an economy to start with

[olive bobcat]

They only give updates if they feel like sharing something

[fleet temple]

TC turned into moths and flew away

[carmine coral]

ded

[lament basin]

silksong cancelled didnt you know

[carmine coral]

[obsidian juniper]

TC sacrified themselves to create silksong,the Grimm troupe was a metaphore

[lament basin]

why would leth say something about silksong

[carmine coral]

why not

[lament basin]

there's nothing to say though

[olive bobcat]

TC are the ones who make the decisions on what to give out

[lament basin]

because if there was, they'd have said it duh

[nimble pebble]

TC makes the updates not Leth

[olive bobcat]

Assume dev is going smoothly unless stated otherwise

[lament basin]

^

[olive bobcat]

They don't need to keep reassuring you that everything is fine

[nimble pebble]

No dev could approximate that, that's a fools dream a fool who doesn't know how game deving works

[lament basin]

let them work

the actual base game layout is likely finished by now, there's just a lot more moving parts

[frank sparrow]

morning guys

[nimble pebble]

Graig has stated the only thing they'd tell us at this point is "we're still working on the game"

If they have nothing important to mention then that's just it

[lament basin]

yeah like what would they say, "game's getting there" ?

[nimble pebble]

Could also be trying not to spoil everything in the game

[brazen osprey]

atleast Silksong didn't give a release window unlike say Cuphead DLC, so they aint in a rush to meet any deadline

[lament basin]

if they released a statement saying, "it goin" people would get mad over how little that is

[brazen osprey]

and we shouldn't be concerned when its not announced at certain points

[fleet temple]

the only news they would release is release news

[nimble pebble]

No news is good news in this case things are progressing smoothly

[lament basin]

and, judging from hk, release news wont come until right before the release

just find a different game to play until then, there's tons

[brazen osprey]

makes me wonder how the company is keeping hype strong and preventing people from like losing interests

[fleet temple]

i think within a month at most

[lament basin]

for sure

that sets an expectation of release, cant do that, there's also no point. We'll probably hear when the game is complete

[nimble pebble]

It would be nice to know more than just it's still being worked on or how they're doing but we don't need it anyone who demands or says we deserve it is self entitled, more work gets done when updates aren't happening every 5 seconds

[carmine coral]

sliksong wen!!!!

[olive bobcat]

Tbh all debates of "they should give us a window" all basically boil down to "TC does what they want to"

[nimble pebble]

That stuff still takes 6-18 months

[brazen osprey]

yeah, but we can atleast be glad the impatients haven't started screaming death to developers right now

[fleet temple]

leth technically already said that

[brazen osprey]

unlike the God of War impatients who screamed death to developers when they got the news the game was delayed

[lament basin]

there will probably be a decent dump of important info sometime in the next few months. The last time they said anything was just an oversaturated way of saying "we dont really have anything big to say"

[nimble pebble]

I don't recall us being TC so yeah

[brazen osprey]

thats the impatients only redeeming quality right now

[light latch]

Yes? I'm just saying it would be nice to know how far along they are. Even if it is vague.

[nimble pebble]

yeah

[brazen osprey]

unless they did start doing that, and thus they have no redeeming qualities and we should disown them

[lament basin]

but what would that do for you

it doesnt make the game release faster, we already know it's still being developed, what does hearing that solve

[light latch]

Y'all are acting like Team Cherry never gave out updates on regular intervals. It wasn't always such long streches of nothingess

[lament basin]

just be patient lol, there are thousands of other games to play in the meantime that are just as great if not better than hk

[carmine coral]

at least it will release within a year and a half

[light latch]

This is new

[olive bobcat]

They gave like 2 updates then went to 6 month gaps iirc

[carmine coral]

i wanna see which comes first, silksong or GD 2.2

[nimble pebble]

it's usually every 6 months but it's been 8 this year

[fleet temple]

well yes, they wanted to share something since the game was just recently known about but now they have nothing to say without spoiling anything

[brazen osprey]

well maybe putting effort into making trailers will actually make the game take longer to make think about that too

[lament basin]

GD 2.2 will never come

[olive bobcat]

Yeah just checked, they did the trailer in Feb 2019, an update in March 2019, then after E3 fell into the cycle of 6 month gaps

So it's nothing new

[brazen osprey]

plus hollow knight needed the constant news cause it was kickstarted, silksong wasn't and thus doesn't need the constant updates

[light latch]

it has been 607 days since an official blog post

[fleet temple]

so?

[nimble pebble]

We got edge magazine

[lament basin]

the blog posts arent really how they announce things though, they announce them at conventions and through interviews

[light latch]

I'm talking about offical TC updates

[olive bobcat]

We're talking about all news here, not just blogposts

[nimble pebble]

And the riddles last year replaced last years June blogpost Leth confirmed as such

[olive bobcat]

Yes, so are we

[lament basin]

just wait until the next big game event this year and there will likely be something

[nimble pebble]

These are official, stop nitpicking then complaining about no news

[lament basin]

the last time they gave news, they literally said "we dont really have news, so look at some art"

[light latch]

You were saying TC gave out updates every 6 months. That was just blogs

[lament basin]

is a blogpost on the game not an update on the game

any word that comes from a company about a game is an update on a game

[brazen osprey]

at this point the impatients don't even respect Team Cherry anymore

[olive bobcat]

I really hope we get news soon, we haven't gotten anything since like Christmas 2019

[brazen osprey]

practically screaming and asking them to make news when they don't think they can

[fleet temple]

dude, there are plenty of other games out there that you can play while you wait

[untold inlet]

Has chat calmed down from today

[nimble pebble]

because they did

[fleet temple]

did they?

[light latch]

yes

[olive bobcat]

Once

[brazen osprey]

was it bad?

[lament basin]

there will almost certainly be news "soon," it just depends on if you consider a few months to be soon

[nimble pebble]

That was a thing during HK's dev time they haven't done that in over 2 and a half nearly 3 years

No it isn't, things are different now

[lament basin]

bro why are you still arguing

[olive bobcat]

News dates: Feb 2019 (trailer), Mar 2019 (update), June 2019 (E3), Dec 2019 (Christmas sign off), June 2020 (riddles), Dec 2020 (Edge)

[lament basin]

like no amount of arguing or complaining is gonna make them release anything any faster, we arent TC lol

just be patient

[nimble pebble]

For a KS project you have to reguarly update the backers but that isn't required and isn't done for games that aren't

[olive bobcat]

Btw Trunks I was kidding, I was making fun of Mason

[lament basin]

ah mb

[olive bobcat]

All good

[hollow terrace]

Nobody is talking about the biggest unexplained switch up that TC did

[nimble pebble]

indeed

[brazen osprey]

one side trying to justify asking TC to make news even when TC doesn't want to
the other side explaining why the impatients of our community are entitled and a bit selfish

[carmine coral]

[hollow terrace]

The mixer streams…

[nimble pebble]

We had an update 222 days ago

[lament basin]

nobody's acting like you're crazy, we're telling you that the updates are coming and you're not entitled to them

[nimble pebble]

^

[fleet temple]

the. magazine. counts. as. news.

[lament basin]

you really think TC would go dark from now until the release? no, they're probably just waiting for a huge milestone to say something about it

[brazen osprey]

maybe next E3

[light latch]

I'm explicitly talking about blog posts. Official TC updates. The edge magazine was nice, but not the same thing

[nimble pebble]

It's the most annoying thing is people having the audacity to say X amount of days without news when we got some more recently than that just because they went to nitpick so they can complain

[olive bobcat]

Equally official

[light latch]

Not the same thing

[fleet temple]

same thing with riddles

[lament basin]

just like, stop

[olive bobcat]

Yeah it's a magazine, still official

[untold kernel]

thought it said 2009..... honeslty, same.

[fleet temple]

what counts as "official" to you?

[nimble pebble]

The riddles were offical Leth even said they replaced the blogpost that would have normally been there so it was essentially a blogpost in riddle form

[olive bobcat]

This argument is basically Mason saying anything and everyone else responding with "no"

[nimble pebble]

I'm getting tired of people calling offical sources not official just because it doesn't suit their narrative

[barren roost]

and what about the hornet dlc? It's like they abandoned that for their new project, Silksong

[carmine coral]

No

[olive bobcat]

TC is just a bunch of lazy devs tbh

[lament basin]

plus mason you gotta understand that actually creating a game is only about half the process. They could tell us the game itself is done, but that still means there's a bunch of testing and fixes to do

[analog lily]

the hornet DLC became hollow knight: Silksong

[nimble pebble]

I know you're joking but Hornet DLC was only a thing during HK dev time it's always been SS after HK was released

[lament basin]

so an update other than just some more pretty pictures is kinda nothing

[olive bobcat]

Clearly you've never played Balan Wonderworld

[barren roost]

I know that

[untold kernel]

cant believe they just dropped promised content and ran with the money to make something totally different
smh my head

[carmine coral]

absolutely terrible right guys, club strawberry is superior

[serene chasm]

I hope SS is half as good

[lament basin]

cannot believe this game studio is actually developing a game

[high hedge]

There was a new magazine article released?

[olive bobcat]

This is just Omori all over again, news becomes less frequent and people get mad, then the game comes out and people love it
...which means we're gonna wait a total of 6 years so strap in

[stoic jacinth]

APWOT, but that’s not about SS

and hasn’t actually been released yet, but will be shortly

[brazen osprey]

cause it is the DLC

[lament basin]

nah, i give it 1 year at min, 1.5 years at max

[high hedge]

Yeah, but with Omori I wasn’t aware it existed till it was already out

Now I have to WAIT

[stoic jacinth]

I don’t see why a 2021 release date isn’t possible

[barren roost]

no it isn't, in the trailer it says it's a game, not a dlc
I expect a shadow drop later this year, to be honest

[nimble pebble]

So basically 1 more year

[olive bobcat]

[lament basin]

it is possible, but if you're holding out for a 2021 release date, you'll likely be disappointed

[nimble pebble]

I've been waiting 11 years for Super Mario galaxy 3 you guys can wait a bit for Silksong

[brazen osprey]

couldn't type fast enough, but I was gonna say well its not dlc anymore but Silksong was the planed Hornet DLC but they decided to make it its own game when they decided to upscale it

[lament basin]

did they, though? they announced silksong about 2 years into its development, with a sizingly large demo and a lot of gameplay footage, if the game was that far along two years ago, i doubt it's that far off now. Just. Find. Something. Else. To. Do.

[brazen osprey]

fuck replied to the wrong comment

[stoic jacinth]

oh being disappointed is my secret, but considering that the hornet DLC was truly abandoned relatively near the first trailer release; we can follow HKs development track and see a possible 2021-early 2022 release date

[untold kernel]

would you rather say... strap loose? becouse.... get it?

[olive bobcat]

• They announced it so people didn't start asking why the DLC was taking so long
• They said "it'll be ready when it's ready"
• Roughly 6 months between each update (fans just get greedy)

[high hedge]

Remember Deltarune

[serene chasm]

Team Cherry are wizards. They are never late or early with announcements. They make them when theyre needed

[lament basin]

hornet dlc was never abandoned. Silksong is literally that but they realized it's too big for a dlc

[olive bobcat]

Good thing it was Nintendo who said "coming soon" and not TC

[untold kernel]

chapter 1, first and final chapter. pain

[lament basin]

you should know by now that "coming soon" means "coming in 3 year," every game that says coming soon actually just means they dont know when they want to release it

[stoic jacinth]

I mean when it really broke out of the scope of a dlc

[proud wolf]

[light latch]

It's not like team cherry ever said anything contrary. Their blog posts even supported the notion that it was nearing completion

[stoic jacinth]

Games taking a long time after a “coming soon” tag isn’t something silksong is a pioneer in

[thick ember]

Did we see anything at indie world I missed it

[nimble pebble]

They didn't announce it prematurely treehouse just said soon and everyone jumped on that TC didn't plan that not to mention, You. Can't. Gauge. How. Long. It. Will. Take it's not that simple shows your clear lack of understanding on how game development works it's hard to say when you're even in the final stretch because a problem could arise

[thick ember]

[lament basin]

okay, so there's your answer, it's nearing completion, that still means there's a testing phase and a patching phase and a touch up phase

[olive bobcat]

They addressed that it was Nintendo's fault for saying it

[barren roost]

I'll give you five guesses

[untold kernel]

that's the same answer as last time!

[light latch]

Nearing completion 2 years ago

[thick ember]

[high hedge]

I wish the Steam listing didn’t say Coming Soon

[lament basin]

they never said the actual game was nearing completion, at most they alluded to the baseline map and things being almost complete

[nimble pebble]

I think we've established that we've just got an impatient SS fan who think they're entitled to news when they aren't

[brazen osprey]

I mean there is also the need of a hype campaign, its not uncommon for games to be announced years ear to drum up hype and interest

[high hedge]

But it wouldn’t change anything if it didn’t

[coarse leaf]

silksong releasing in 10 more years?

[high hedge]

Cyberpunk 2069

[serene chasm]

**Release **

Thanks to everyone for asking and we’re sorry that we still don’t have anything conclusive to say. For Silksong we’re running on Cherry-time over here, that means both ‘When it’s ready,’ and ‘When it matches the quality and scale of Hollow Knight.’ Just know, we will talk about a release date when we’re 100% certain we can hit it. The last thing we want to do is make promises, only to see things slide. For now, we’ll continue stuffing all sorts of strange critters and surprises into Silksong. We can’t wait for you all to play it.

From the e3 blog

[light latch]

we all know how good that goes

[lament basin]

steam says that for every unreleased game, it doesnt actually mean anything

[nimble pebble]

Ballow Light: MIlkbong

[serene chasm]

Nothing there about "soon"

[light latch]

There was the placeholder release date on steam that everyone freaked out about

[lament basin]

hype campaigns go well almost all the time, it just reflects poorly when they dont

[brazen osprey]

what about KH 3, Persona 5, Hitman 2016? The good examples, why you guys always got to think about the bad examples

[nimble pebble]

Anyone who thought SS was soon had a gullible misconception

[polar olive]

in other news if you guys havent gotten axiom verge 2 yet you propably should

[analog lily]

Does anyone know what part of SilkSong TC ae actually working on?

[high hedge]

Steam raises my hopes only to dash them at every opportunity

[coarse leaf]

bc it isnt ever gonna release

[analog lily]

becuase they already have over 150 enemies

[nimble pebble]

Placeholders don't mean shit Steam just asked for one for arguments sake

[olive bobcat]

The Silksong part

[lament basin]

that's your fault for letting your hopes get raised

[light latch]

It's easy to say in retrospect. But at the time most people expected it in early 2020

[analog lily]

I mean like areas, bosses, enemies etc

[nimble pebble]

who knows

[lament basin]

anyone who expected a game bigger than hk to release in under the time hk did is a moron lmao

[serene chasm]

Leth had to put a date in to make the steam page. He chose the Switch release date of HK plus 2 years. It didnt mean anything

[lament basin]

nobody thought it was coming out in 2020, back in 2019 i had it pegged for a late 2021 release

[olive bobcat]

Anyone's bet tbh. They could be doing bug fixes, but it could also be that Ari drew a whole new area on a napkin at dinner.

[brazen osprey]

well I didn't lnow SS is bigger than HK

I thought they were meant to be the same size

[olive bobcat]

With more detail too

[brazen osprey]

so I expected 5 years of development

[high hedge]

It’s a billion times bigger because Hornet is taller than the knight

[polar olive]

keep in mind if ss uses the same basic engine and code thats a lot of work done right there

[nimble pebble]

SS will probably be 1.25X compared to HK's 1 or maybe 1.3 or at most 1.5

[shy stirrup]

Definitely not double

[polar olive]

so much dev time is just building a foundation, one that ss already has

[analog lily]

true but I remember last year they said they had over 150+ enemies, so they must be either making the game even bigger, or doing something really weird with the game

[lament basin]

the art details arent really that huge of a timesink esp when you can outsource them, it's largely the increased map size and new mechanics for the player character that add a lot of time

[nimble pebble]

Keep in mind the art has improved along with Ari and they're using more complicated mechains and larger areas

[brazen osprey]

also aren't HK and SS's graphics start out as hand drawn stuff but then scanned into files

[polar olive]

i agree that itll probably take at least as long as hk dev time, its not gonna be easy, but experience helps a ton

[serene chasm]

Those cybernetic enhancements really did help

[light latch]

"nobody thought it was coming out in 2020" that is simply wrong. A lot actually though it was gonna come out in 2019

[lament basin]

yeah morons, maybe

[brazen osprey]

drawing lots of things takes lots of time, look at cuphead

[light latch]

So easy to say in retrospect

[polar olive]

i mean the trailers they showed looked pretty damn finished, thinking its be out in 2020 wasnt a bad opinion at all

[lament basin]

it isnt, hollow knight came out in 2017, to expect a BIGGER game to come out in HALF the time is just stupid

[olive bobcat]

Tbh everyone thinks "this year is reasonable" until it isn't and then they think "nah we were stupid, this year is reasonable" rinse repeat

[serene chasm]

Half this server thought it would be a 2020 release

[light latch]

true

[nimble pebble]

I always had a late 2020 mid to late 2021 release mindset for a while

[polar olive]

hindsight is 2020

[nimble pebble]

But now 20223 mid to late

[lament basin]

i always had a late 2021 mindset because that seemed reasonable

[high hedge]

I also mixed up the coming soon with the released date on Steam

[lament basin]

now i think somewhere in 2022

[polar olive]

if it comes out this year then all the 2022 doomers are gonna be trashed, even though they really shouldnt

[high hedge]

Much prefer the "When Its Done"

[polar olive]

its out when its out

[lament basin]

ill cry if it comes out this year because that would mean im wrong and we cant have that

[nimble pebble]

HK was underfunded released early it isn't a good way to Gauge SS's dev time

[polar olive]

id rather wait for the perfect game than settle for a flawed one

[high hedge]

Couldn't you just pretend it didn't?

[brazen osprey]

also it is a trend to people to be gullible and think a game will be released the same year its first trailer is released

[nimble pebble]

[lament basin]

it's a good way to gauge when is too early though

[high hedge]

Explosion adds character :]

[brazen osprey]

but thats that it is, being gullible

[untold kernel]

... that's hopeful

[brazen osprey]

wisemen know better

[nimble pebble]

if we take the content packs made to fill the gaps the lack of money during dev time made then HK technically took 4 years

[lament basin]

how, it makes sense

[high hedge]

It actually shadow released yesterday, but no one's noticed yet

[light latch]

I'll say it again: I am willing to wait as long as TC needs to get the game perfect. I would just like an update now and again to know that progress is going smoothly and see some new teasers

[untold kernel]

lmao maybe im just pesimistic, i cant even remember for how long i've been waiting for silksong. to get an update now next year would be nice though

[lament basin]

that's about 5 years since the start of the initial hornet dlc development, and i doubt TC wants to push much into working on more hollow knight for 6 years

[lament basin]

you've been waiting for 2 years, it hasnt been that long

[polar olive]

the game releasing soon is not really that expected, but i feel like we should be getting an update of sorts soon, its been like 6 months (again)

[serene chasm]

Here is an update on the game. Theyre working on it.

[high hedge]

Its been 100 years

[lament basin]

i completely forgot about silksong until i started playing hollow knight again 2 weeks ago

[brazen osprey]

now I think about it why is Silksong seperate from HK despite being based on the the planned hornet DLC

[polar olive]

silksong will literally just like drop out of my subconscious for weeks lol

[light latch]

actually closer to three

[brazen osprey]

couldn't they just add it to HK like originally planned

[lament basin]

it's actually surprising to me that it's been 2 years, i couldve sworn the trailer dropped like 2 months ago if you asked me beforehand

[polar olive]

2.5

[lament basin]

k

[high hedge]

Cause this is way cooler

[untold kernel]

i had forgotten about everything actually up until mossbag showed back up

[serene chasm]

TC has no idea how to add dlc

[brazen osprey]

but they do...

[nimble pebble]

Here's an update: Pixel #295723983209072

[polar olive]

keep in mind its announcement date was also after 2ish years of dev time

[high hedge]

Hornet Dream would've been okay

[light latch]

so nearly 5 years of development

[lament basin]

impossible

[polar olive]

its been nearly 5 years since ss started development lol

[high hedge]

but this is just cooler

[lament basin]

but ss didnt become a focus until after godmaster

[nimble pebble]

The DLC is content packs to make up for content that didn't make it in it's not actually DLC in the traditional sense and SS was always planned as a game post HK launch

[polar olive]

im not saying you can gleam a release date out of that, but thats still a really long time lol

[nimble pebble]

Well just before it released actually but it was already done so yeah

[light latch]

especially considering it was built on the framework of HK

[polar olive]

yeah true

[high hedge]

So basically... Silksong = Prequel?

[nimble pebble]

SS's development as a side project along side the HK DLC started late February Early to mid March 2017

[polar olive]

this game is gonna be fuckin massive lol

[untold kernel]

time is a relative value so it's fair to say the release date could could be anywere between the next 10 years and yesterday

[nimble pebble]

SS unknown untiil game out

[light latch]

anywhere between now and the end of linear time

[lament basin]

nah, it'll be bigger than hk because it has to be, but dont expect a gigantic game either

[untold kernel]

lmaooo yeah

[nimble pebble]

TC said HK sized or a bit bigger so 1.25 or 1.3 I would say maybe 1.5X at mst

[lament basin]

one of the bigger complaints about hk was that it was too big for how empty it was, so dont expect ss to be twice the size

silksong is probably bigger, but more dense

[nimble pebble]

How about big but full

[polar olive]

i mean in my mind hk is already a massive game

[lament basin]

nah big but full would be too much

[high hedge]

It's actually in a fully 3d world like Skyrim. Kind of like the Risk of Rain sequel change

[lament basin]

you dont want the game to overstay its welcome either by making it too big and putting too much

[light latch]

speak for yourself

[high hedge]

Trust me, my uncle is Team Raspberry

[polar olive]

i want heeeellla side quests

[lone hornet]

Empty in what sense?

[lament basin]

im speaking for about 90% of hk critics

[nimble pebble]

Never can please you can we "too big too little too big too much" you're like people who say it's too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter smh

[untold kernel]

"speaking of linear time:" mossbag voice "let's talk multiverses. considering silksong would be worked on every possible timeline the most similar to ours, we could trav-

[polar olive]

let the story be roughly as long as hk but lemme do like a billion sidequests

[lament basin]

what are you talking about. It's common knowledge that you dont want a game to be too big to the point where it drags. That was literally the issue with hollow knight

[polar olive]

not really tho

[lament basin]

not to you, but, again, that was one of the biggest complaints

[light latch]

disagree strongly

[high hedge]

"Collect Beetle Shard (0/12)"

[nimble pebble]

I was talking about instead of big and emtpy big and full would be better but you said "no"

[lament basin]

i misunderstood then

i was thinking you were talking about an overstuffed world with too much to do

[polar olive]

from what weve seen ss looks mondo dense

[nimble pebble]

I just meant lack of empty space

[serene chasm]

Pharloom with be the size of RL australia.

[lament basin]

you can disagree, but there's millions of people who gave that feedback to TC so im sure it holds merit lol

[polar olive]

so theres not much need to worry, tc is 100% learning from hk criticism

[light latch]

i've literally never heard it before now

[lament basin]

everyone has different opinions, but the more popular ones provide something to look into

[nimble pebble]

Since when do the masses dictate how the game should or could be viewed

[lament basin]

not to be rude, but it doesnt sound like you've heard much about either of these games

[light latch]

I certainly have. And you are being rude lol

[high hedge]

Its in a lotta reviews, consider how many areas can just be skipped through lack of worthwhile npcs

[lament basin]

when the masses have a negative opinion, it's important to look into it. You don't improve games by ignoring complaints

[lament basin]

i know

[nimble pebble]

Yeah but most of the people who play HK are casual gamers who've never played a Metroidvania and can't do the final challenges

[polar olive]

the biggest complaint i usually see about hk is the shade mechanic

[lone hornet]

Empty in what sense? Content? Size?

[light latch]

Hollow knight had incredibly good reviews. Who are these masses that were negative?

[lament basin]

i dont think that's true, a lot of people who have issues with it drop it somewhere in the middle

[polar olive]

which i assume is like 99% the reason people who think the game is too big dont like it

[high hedge]

Even good reviews can feature critiques

[lament basin]

just because a game has great reviews doesnt mean it's free of flaw and complaint? I gave hollow knight a positive review. Did i still critique it? yes

[nimble pebble]

Like I said they're bad so they complain

[high hedge]

Look at Indivisible

[lament basin]

i still believe the world of hk is too empty at times and some of the areas are too big for their own good

[polar olive]

theres only 1 perfect game, and thats tetris

[barren roost]

I think the world is in no way too large, the complaints about pacing are moreso that the abilities that allow you to move through the world and fight in more fun ways come too late into the game

[high hedge]

If its so good why isnt there a Tetris 2

[lament basin]

metroidvanias, in my opinion, are better dense and compact, than big and too open

[light latch]

That's your opinion. But you don't need to act like the majority agree with you

[nimble pebble]

I've critiqued HK before but I think your point that "most people said this" is invalid when it comes from a bunch of 12 years who can't even beat the game then throw a hissy fit and never play again

[polar olive]

bc it was so good it didnt need a tetris 2

[lament basin]

does my opinion differ from yours? yes, but it's still a common critique