sk-discussion

[proud vale]

I feel like legends will definitely break the mold though

[fleet temple]

hopefully

[nimble pebble]

That would be great

[fleet temple]

oh yeah right, this is the hollow knight discord

[nimble pebble]

Miitopia is a 3ds game ported to switch, but tbf it has extra content so it's vibin

[fleet temple]

true

[nimble pebble]

Also we're allowed to talk about whatever unless a Silksong discussion comes up since there's butt fuck all to talk about SS wise at this point so we kind of just chat until someone brings up Silksong

[fleet temple]

yes of course, i was just joking about how offtopic we can get

[nimble pebble]

My hubris strikes again

[carmine coral]

silksong am i right

[fiery coral]

[nimble pebble]

Did I ever tell you about my cool tool idea?

Why should I play your puzzle game Unique

[fleet temple]

[fiery coral]

because it's great

also it's legally mine now apparently

[fleet temple]

unique puzzle set -3000 pieces

[cerulean sable]

Silksong stealth mechanics

[fiery coral]

seriously though it's very very good play it

[fiery coral]

crouch in the shrubbery

[cerulean sable]

where everyone has 4 meters of sightlines and you fill a spotted bar if you get into their FOV, if it fills they alert everyone

yes that too

[nimble pebble]

Time to end my P4AB runs for today

[fleet temple]

you won't get spotted if you crouch though

[cerulean sable]

ofc\

[fleet temple]

even if you are so close you can lick the bells, they can't see you

and i mean the bells on the end of the sticks they hold OKAY

[fiery coral]

kill each of them with an arrow

"must have been the wind"

[fleet temple]

"what was that? oh must have been nothing"

[coarse leaf]

nice pfp

[nimble pebble]

I just realised your pfp isn't just puffy cloak hornet but fat zote if it was hornet instead

[proud vale]

"The wind is out for blood today, wtf"

[obtuse glacier]

What is happening here

[fleet temple]

my pfp should be an actual item in ss

[obtuse glacier]

Ah.

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[obtuse glacier]

Fat hornet for silksong

[fleet temple]

honestly i don't know

[obtuse glacier]

Eating mechanic
Become overweight

[fleet temple]

the reason tc are taking so long is that they have to make a highly detailed version of my pfp

[nimble pebble]

Lorge Hornet

[coarse leaf]

The Horneternal Ordeal

[proud vale]

Puffy hornet is 90% of dev time

[fleet temple]

yes, they told me

[nimble pebble]

Puffy hornet is the entire game

[fleet temple]

yeeeeeees

[coarse leaf]

Puffy Hornet is Pharloom

Her head is the Shining Citadel

And her horns are the very top

And the rest of Pharloom lies within the dress

[wide mango]

What if we can choose the final boss and pharloom is in the middle of a political conflict, so we work for one party to eliminate the other one?

[coarse leaf]

😳

[signal crag]

[jade canopy]

So is a July release for the magazine still something to look for ? Or they said there where some delay ?

[coarse leaf]

slight delay, it's coming very early August presumably

[jade canopy]

Oki

[coarse leaf]

they've printed them out

only physical copies available

[jade canopy]

So i guess some crappy scan are wondering around the internet for people who can’t wait

[edgy sleet]

do we have info from people who have the physical copies?

[cerulean sable]

i think it was

someone here was gonna buy it

[coarse leaf]

you can find updates on the apwot twitter probably

[cerulean sable]

nvm i dont think there was

[edgy sleet]

apwot?

[cerulean sable]

ye

[edgy sleet]

what does that mean

[coarse leaf]

A Profound Waste of Time

it's a magazine

[jade canopy]

And i guess there isn’t a message in hk announcement so technically the sspsa message has been wrong for like a day

[nimble radish]

assuming silksong news in apwot

[edgy sleet]

why are people excited for it

[haughty ingot]

pretty sure no

[jade canopy]

Cus we got nothing for 6 month I guess

[coarse leaf]

its talking about the history of HK and possibly a tiny bit of clarification Silksong exists

There was an interview held with Leth where I'm pretty sure he talked a little bit about Silksong but there was no proper news in it

[nimble pebble]

Nah, They already said we won't get anything on SS in it

At the very least no news

[coarse leaf]

I just clarification it exists

[nimble pebble]

Though what would there be to say about SS if not news besides their usual "we're still working on the game"

[nimble pebble]

Of course it exists

[coarse leaf]

nah it doesn't

[nimble pebble]

We have several forms of confirmation

[coarse leaf]

it isnt a thing

[nimble pebble]

I am tired and about to go to bed I will not stand for such tomfoolery right now

[coarse leaf]

They're working on an animated short film

Is Shakra related to chakras

[nimble pebble]

probably not

She's a warrior from a village of warriors who each have a specific skill Shakra's being cartography

I can't be bothered to get the line right now

[proud vale]

Shakra is related to chakrom

the weapons she uses

[coarse leaf]

oh cool

[umbral gazelle]

good morning

[nimble radish]

mornin

[coarse leaf]

[fiery coral]

good morning Diraw

[vocal stirrup]

Release silksong

[coarse leaf]

No

Seth, Trobbio and Sherma seem pretty pog

[tawdry valley]

Every time someone says silksong, they delete a random asset file from the game and delay the planned release by a week

[pallid flare]

silksong silksong silksong silksong

there you go team cherry, another month of time just for you

[fiery coral]

91812 messages here contain the word Silksong

[vocal stirrup]

How many contain depression?

Because its probably all of them

[fiery coral]

[coarse leaf]

2 x the diameter of the sun

[umbral gazelle]

hm! manifold garden

[fiery coral]

great game

[vocal stirrup]

In meters or centimeters

Makes sense

Im excited for any information

[pallid flare]

trobbio

[cursive jetty]

Trobbio could be the next Zote

He's is egotistical with a goofy boss fight, but he's very different from Zote

So I think I'll like him a lot!!

[dreamy zenith]

they are like grimm's red fire aesthetic but more drip

[cerulean sable]

shit, now im wishing the higher nobilities of pharloom has this super extravagant aesthetics to them

[pallid flare]

should i post this screenshot again

[cerulean sable]

i dont mean TOO crazy ofc

[dreamy zenith]

i mean, in hollowknight the higher class wore red in city

[cerulean sable]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBeautifulElite but they werent AS cool ya get me

[dreamy zenith]

and then white even higher

theres probably a bug colour hierarchy

[cerulean sable]

they were mostly wearing huge ass white robes

[dreamy zenith]

Yep

lace with undynes armour would be a cool idea..

aaaa

I would hope you think so

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[dreamy zenith]

Above a 50% chance of it

[dreamy zenith]

probably

[pallid flare]

no

[tall hinge]

guys i just got my dose of copium and the silksong steam page says that the release date is TBA meaning maybe it has already been decided rather than TBD which is to be determined meaning it hasnt been decided yet

[serene chasm]

Last I saw they had them printed and need to bind them. Takes about a week to do so

[outer frost]

There better be some schlizzards in silksong

[outer frost]

Worst part is we don’t even know if APWOT has silksong news

[serene chasm]

A what now

[outer frost]

A schlizzard

[serene chasm]

It doesn't.

[outer frost]

[umbral jungle]

what is APWOT?

[fiery coral]

A Profound Waste of Time

[proud vale]

Yeah it probably isn't gonna have SS news

It'll likely just allude to the task of development and possibly even the problems they've run into

Do we know when it's coming out?

[pallid flare]

in a few days

[proud vale]

aye that's hype

[outer frost]

Our question will be answered soon

[proud vale]

Except it's behind a paywall iirc

[outer frost]

Yeah but we all know it’s not gonna stay like that for long

[pallid flare]

it's like 20€

[outer frost]

People are gonna leak silksong info if there is any

[proud vale]

True and there's no digital version

[vagrant umbra]

Alright I know what Crowsworn is, but what the heck is Crowkart?

[proud vale]

a minigame that got made a little more official

[pallid flare]

[vagrant umbra]

Is it included with Crowsworn?

[proud vale]

I think it's a backer thing, not sure though

[vagrant umbra]

Thanks

[tawdry valley]

I’m surprised these demos/updates aren’t getting more traction. They more or less smooth out many of the concerns regarding the originality of the mechanics, and confirm at minimum potential for depth.

[stray kernel]

Is it only for a certain backer tier, do you know

[proud vale]

That's pretty sick

I don't see why I wouldn't pick this game up

[stray kernel]

I backed it at the $20 tier

[proud vale]

I think I'll back now

[tawdry valley]

The only concerns are regarding the parkour depth and actual combos: this is nice and all, but if we do this until the end of the game, it’s not a good combat system, or maybe just not a balanced one.

[dreamy zenith]

Ooh crowsworn

[proud vale]

I'm interested in how big the game will need to be if the combat system relies on a large amount of space being around the enemy

[tawdry valley]

Everything right now is proof of concept (duh) but it’s at least promising

[tawdry valley]

They had map concept art somewhere. Not sure how it will scale though.

They at least seem to want to gun for area variety.

(Gun Pun very definitely intended)

[dreamy zenith]

Crowkart's janky demo will be released eventually to all $20 CAD teir and above backers (those who also get the main game thus).
When crowkart is done, it will be a free multiplayer game available to play.
That'll probably be after crowsworn is released.

[stray kernel]

It seems promising, I’m definitely confident they’ll pull it off

[signal crag]

oh well, i hope so

[proud vale]

Well I've backed now, so if not that's my $5,500 CAD gone /s

[dreamy zenith]

Pftt

[pallid flare]

that's a lot of money

[proud vale]

Heavy slash S energy on that one

[stray kernel]

Okay I just thought you were really irresponsible with your money for a second

I’ve seen people do that kind of thing before

[proud vale]

maybe I am and I'm just loaded with geo

[timber meteor]

Is this a real sample of the OST or is it just a random piece from somewhere? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzM7CFR9cA

[formal karma]

check out the person that uploaded it, its not chris

[pallid flare]

it's a track from starbound???

[timber meteor]

I see lol

[proud vale]

Yeah. Unless it's ripped from the demo I wouldn't trust it

[pallid flare]

I did not expect to hear starbound rn

[timber meteor]

which one is it from starbound?

[pallid flare]

this one you just posted?

[timber meteor]

Yeah

[pallid flare]

it's this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueQgKDa1Po&list=PLUAt2grZMdolHd_HmIZFjgaaCmayj_Reh&index=28

[timber meteor]

Thanks.

[formal karma]

hot tip- if its posted by anyone with almost no subscribers and a nonsense name- its fake

[analog forge]

alternitively, if you cross your eyes hard enough, it could be a leek

the thhings on your head that let you see

[timber meteor]

the light holes

[analog forge]

not your antennae, the other things

[signal crag]

Your eyes are dumb sometimes,
Like with optical illusions

[untold inlet]

I keep trying to think of things to talk about in this channel but all my brain can produce is "want play game"

[formal karma]

how about the new evidence for prequelism?

[untold inlet]

Ooh I didn't hear about that

[formal karma]

the new evidence goes as foolows:
Since sequels are always worse, and Silksong is soo clearly better than Hollow Knight, Silksong is CLEARLY a prequel

[untold inlet]

[formal karma]

nah...

[untold inlet]

Movie creation and game creation aren't really comparable but I'm still too traumatized from the failure of the Incredibles 2 to 100% trust that Silksong will be great

TC are talented but so is Brad Bird and yet...

[formal karma]

HK aint perfect

honestly its Rogue legacy that gives me the greatest hope for Silksong's triumph

because Rogue Legacy 2 is an improvement in literally every single regard- and I feel that Silksong will be that way for Hollow Knight

I CAN see myself looking at a design choice apparent in SIlksong that wasn't there for Hollow Knight and going "hmm, strange'

[untold inlet]

I feel like (from what little we've seen) that Pharloom will be a joy to explore as Hollow Knight was, and that there will be some pretty cool bosses, but TC is definitely taking some risks with all the new mechanics they're adding and I feel like that could make or break the game

[formal karma]

i'm not really seeing anything too drastic in the mechanics, the diagonal pogo being an exception

[untold inlet]

Like the quest board stuff is gonna be way different from anything that was ever in HK1, and at best it could add a lot of fun to the game but at worst it could be distracting/annoying and be inferior to the more organic quest system that HK1 had

[formal karma]

those don't really equate as 'mechanics' for me

and aren't really all that different

[untold inlet]

Also the crazy stuff with tools/crests is gonna be way more complex than HK1, which could be fun (and it's not as if plenty of games haven't had similarly complex systems before) but it could also just be burdensome to the player and make the game less enjoyable

[formal karma]

my only hope is that the quests don't tell us why we need to explore a certain area- only add another reason to backtrack there

[untold inlet]

Tho didn't they say they wanted SS to be more combat focused?

So the tools/crests thing makes sense in that way

[formal karma]

yea but that's fine with me- hk's combat was pretty lel

[untold inlet]

Honestly I liked the exploration part of HK the most but I'm not even mad about SS being combat focused just because the bosses were so damn fun

Like... bosses are rarely a standout part of a game to me but HK's are just that good, so I trust that I'll actually enjoy the combat emphasis when I usually wouldn't

[formal karma]

i don't think that exploration will be taking THAT much of a hit

likely a lot more ambush rooms and such

[untold inlet]

Nah I agree, if anything I think Pharloom might be larger than Hallownest (even when adjusting for Hornet's greater mobility)

[formal karma]

and a lot less "oh hey, there's a bunch of enemy spawns in the city of tears that are... worthless. kill them for geo or something"

[untold inlet]

I just hope they also include some Path of Pain style challenge

[formal karma]

i would like to refrain for assuming that there would be a PoP... but they gotta right?

[untold inlet]

Nah I think they said there's not gonna be a boss rush mode

Or that like people shouldn't expect it or something

[tribal schooner]

odds are good we get at least one real good platform challenge.

[untold inlet]

Oh wait you meant Path of Pain not Pantheon of Pharloom

[formal karma]

uuuh they said something along the lines of 'i hope they aren't expecting one'

[signal crag]

Yeah, mossbag talked with TC and said that

Maybe just not another “godhome” like place in general

[pallid flare]

#sk-discussion message

[tribal schooner]

darn i really liked the hall of gods just to redo some of my favorite bosses. i can do without another pantheon tho. that has been rough to complete

[untold inlet]

A bit sad that we won't be able to replay bosses like that, but Godmaster was far from my favorite stuff about HK and I feel like a lot of people felt the same so I'm not surprised they decided not to emphasize that in SS

They could always add it as a DLC down the line I suppose

[formal karma]

i imagine we can refight bosess ala the Hall of Gods, but there's likely no pantheons

[untold inlet]

But that thing mossbag said sorta implies to me that it's not really in the cards

[manic zenith]

This thing is about boss rush area, not refighting bosses

[tribal schooner]

i jsut want a streamlined way to face off against old bosses. to practice them and all. even if they just make it so you use like a memory travel system or something.

[formal karma]

not necessarily, its only that TC hopes we don't epect it... also that was a year ago, who knows their mood now

[harsh frost]

2 years ago*

[tribal schooner]

it made steel soul so much easier when i had all the bosses down to a T

[formal karma]

2020 vs 2021?

[untold inlet]

They said it in 2019

[formal karma]

oh... i guess mossbag interviewd them EARLIER, yea

my beeeeeeee

[untold inlet]

Honestly my (very much shot-in-the-dark guess) is that they probably aren't adding stuff to SS anymore

[formal karma]

who knows...

[untold inlet]

Probably just in the bugfixing/polishing stage

[formal karma]

been saying that all year- we have no way of knowing

[tribal schooner]

TBH i actually really liked the pantheon stuff. i feel like i was already in love with the game by then but some of the bosses in the pantheons (bosses being my favorite part) are my favorite in the game.

[wide mango]

Oh so they’re wrapping it up?

[untold inlet]

That's just my guess

[signal crag]

It could be, but we don’t know for certain

[burnt topaz]

who's to say

[wide mango]

Like they did during the treehouse?

[reef scarab]

^ yeah I hope we have something at least like the hall of gods, except probably without the different difficulties

[formal karma]

sooo since tomorrow is august i guess APWOT isn't coming out in july

[sweet lotus]

Hello incredible Silksong conwaitors. What's up, you naughty rascals? I know we haven't got any new Silksong news, but I gotta ask to get that answer I know well!

[burnt topaz]

Haha we still have a couple hours haha

[reef scarab]

I think they’re shipping right now, they started printing a couple days ago

[burnt topaz]

Did anyone here get APWOT?

[untold inlet]

It's probably too late to buy APWOT isn't it

[sweet lotus]

though, are there people who really count on APWOT for Silksong news?

[burnt topaz]

idk, im sure there's always a few

[fiery coral]

the hopeful

[untold inlet]

Yeah I highly doubt anything will be revealed about SS

[still owl]

Confirmed there won't be apparently

[tribal schooner]

i hope you are right but every interview has shown them talking about what they have planned or new ideas. kinda leads me to believe they are jsut going and adding stuff they want. this game will almost certinly be amazing. i can just imagine TC being like dude this would be cool we should add this in ... Leth: that would delay it another year ... TC: lets do it... ... hk fanbase:

[burnt topaz]

ye, that seems about right

[sweet lotus]

not doubting you necessarily, I just don't remember well, but how did the EDGE interview let us know they are in the planning stage for some new ideas in Silksong?

[tribal schooner]

probably nothing revealed but perhaps a mention of it and maybe the state of the development, or better yet there thought on all of us and our impatience.

[untold inlet]

Yeah idt the Edge interview gave me that vibe but I could be misremembering

[formal karma]

i sort of assumed that anything TC was ready to say themselves would be after APWOT but that article is taking its sweettime, and its not as if TC will post anything afterwards anyways

[untold inlet]

Lmaoo I'd love so much for TC to share what they really think about impatient fans

[formal karma]

i mean they're a super smal %age

i assume...

[analog forge]

TC literally doesnt care

"what they really think" is pure indifference

[formal karma]

eww blogposts every month

[tribal schooner]

i vaguely remember them saying that they were still working on the tool system trying to balance everthing. now this doesnt imply any new stuff but balancing does sometimes suggest new stuff. but leth said in an interview after that, saying maybe they should save some ideas for another game suggesting they still come up with new ideas but who knows

[analog forge]

the interview was done like, a year ago

[sweet lotus]

are there people who'd like more updates on Silksong before the release date announcement?

[signal crag]

what kind of updates?

[sweet lotus]

more info

[formal karma]

'balancing' could mean that they need to add certain OTHER upgrades and thus make new rooms, so 'balancing' can mean anything, really

[signal crag]

people don't like new info because spoilers, but they are also not okay with development updates apparently

[sweet lotus]

I'll try to look into the article

[tribal schooner]

there are but i jsut want news on the state of development. like are they close? is it within a year or more like two. that kind of thing

[tribal schooner]

please. i cant remember

[formal karma]

i would just like to hear if they're done the kickstarter content, that would be a cool milestone to know that we passed

and doesn't spoil anything, and it would give those wretched 'hopefuls' the idea that the game is nearly finished...

[sweet lotus]

I wouldn't like more info at this point either

[tribal schooner]

wretched hopfuls...HAHA

[sweet lotus]

my feeling is that we'll be surprised with the release date - people have been pessimistic because of new release date and no E3 news, but I don't think either of those has anything to do with the state of development

[formal karma]

'frankie hope speech community' is an excellent example of my thoughts on hope, it DOES have swears in it though

[signal crag]

i mean, all things considered, if people doesn't like TC being radio silent and they ALSO don't new info because spoilers....milestones updates would be a decent solution?

[tribal schooner]

that would be really the best way of doing it. like there is an author of a book series i read and he gives certain milestone updates like "First draft complete" or "Beta reader draft complete" that sort of thing. now he also has a very good idea of how long things take him like within a few weeks kind of window. but it helps control the hype a bit

[formal karma]

they don't know where the goal posts are, though

[untold inlet]

What if the milestone we get is like "we're a quarter of the way done with building Pharloom"

[formal karma]

and leth's whole "can't gauge its completion" statements...

[sweet lotus]

I feel that's wholly against TC's philosophy to say that

[signal crag]

also, if they just keep having new ideas...

[fiery coral]

it never gets finished

[tribal schooner]

im not sure he knows the details really. he is the PR guy so his job wont be invloved until its basically complete

[formal karma]

in short milestone updates are about as impossible as 'cringe' sounding cool...

[sweet lotus]

they have gone out of their way in Dec '19 to assure people they haven't been building and building without an end in sight (blogpost of 13 Dec 19)

[untold inlet]

I kinda doubt TC would just keep having ideas and haphazardly adding them to the game. They're talented game devs and they'd probably know better than to bog down the game with feature creep like that

[thick jolt]

APWOT hasnt been released yet, correct?

[untold inlet]

At a certain point adding new stuff hurts the game more than it helps

[formal karma]

maybe, but that's their choice

[untold inlet]

True but I'm just saying they probably wouldn't personally want to make that choice

[formal karma]

"what is true shall be true and it's our duty to deal with that truth"

[untold inlet]

Also from the Dec 2019 blog

And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game.

[tribal schooner]

thats probably accurate. if they continued adding stuff im convinced it would be mostly small things that require some skill to add in. new combat techinics or tools perhaps but not much else. but personally i think they are done with that

[untold inlet]

Yeah I feel like at this point they probably aren't thinking of like new small enemies that they've just gotta add

[sweet lotus]

without an end in site

[untold inlet]

But I ultimately can't see inside their minds

[sweet lotus]

an end in site ...

found it! Silksong's release date is hidden within the site's code!

[haughty brook]

At this point we don't know jack squad about the total mechanics in general, like, we only got some glimpses there and there but have like a very very very vahue idea how they actually work in game.

[burnt topaz]

at least around 160+ as far as we know

[digital junco]

gonna buy a switch just so i can play silksong instantly

[pallid flare]

gone, reduced to atoms

[tribal schooner]

about 1 square meters worth

[digital junco]

2

4 at most

1

[tribal schooner]

i mean each enemy will vary and im basing this of their size on an average monitor of a computer so id say about 25000 maybe more but probably a little less

[digital junco]

moss mother will be the only boss

[burnt topaz]

good

[digital junco]

[tribal schooner]

she will just evolve gradually over the game

[digital junco]

Mega Moss Mother

[haughty brook]

As in interactive NPCs? Nah

[digital junco]

they revealed quite a bit of the important NPCs it seems, but theres probably way more

[woeful crystal]

Guys, I have a concern about Silksong

Regarding the story

[tribal schooner]

square foot maybe...

[woeful crystal]

In the original Hollow Knight, the story is quite grand, you are just another one in millions that are like you (vessels), you don't have a name, you don't have a peronality, you're another one of those little ghosts

And yet you are cabable of a lot of thing, ultimately challanging the freaking SUN (the Radaince) and obliterating the infection

How is Hornet's story going to top that, I mean I don't think we're going to fight another S U N?

I know there's this thoery of "The Puppetmaster" but it's not quite as grand and glorious as deafeating the S U N

[digital junco]

I'm 100% sure SS's story will be just as epic, just not as much magic and dream stuff

[haughty brook]

I mean, JoJo part 2 ended with the protagonist fighting againts the ultimate life form and we know that there series is at part 8 so not every "chapter" of a series needs to going to a bigger scale every time, otherwise its going to ending up being stale.

[tribal schooner]

most complex and some of the best stories are those that have less to do with fighting against huge unbeatable enemy and more to do with fighting and resolving a great conflict that is usually beyond one person. i suspect hornet will be involved in preventing a self created calamity between two factions of comparable power and that will be the way they make a similarly good story. but who knows

[woeful crystal]

Ooh. I see...

[digital junco]

the goal in silksong is more "get tf out of this kingdom" more than "save the kingdom from god" so i dont expect an enemy anything like the Radiance

[haughty brook]

Not every epic story needs to end fighting Thanos with all Infinite Stones.

[floral kindle]

We are climbing to the top though apparently, rather than going to the exit

[sweet lotus]

in the first game you confront the plague of one kingdom, in the second one the plague of another — that aside, the situation that is understood to be happening in Pharloom, with this trance the workers are in, how they are obliged to send stuff upwards... it's mystical

[tribal schooner]

anybody imagine a celeste mountain summit scene but with hornet?

[haughty brook]

No

[woeful crystal]

nah

[digital junco]

probably gonna me a huge setback in the game on the way up

"lmao no you're going back down"

[tribal schooner]

i dont mean a story to clearify but just hornet looking over pharloom after triumphantly makeing it to the top of the kingdom

[woeful crystal]

I mean, in Hollow Knight the game ends in the Black Egg Temple, which is almost at the surface, so you kind of also climb back up in a way

[tribal schooner]

good point

[digital junco]

i was very surprised to find out the final boss was in like the 2nd room

[woeful crystal]

And in the demo footage for Silksong that we've got, there are some wierd weaver-themed metal doors that will definetly be unlockable later on, perhaps very close to the endgame, maybe with an ability comparable to the dream nail from the original game.

[haughty brook]

I will recomend not to to put too much expectetions of how the plot is going to unfold in Silksong because you are just going to feel kinda dissapointed when you play the game and dones't go 100% like you though in your head, it is preferable to just going in SS with a blank state of mind is preferable.

[woeful crystal]

Don't fall into pessimism though, that's not good either.

A blank state of mind is well said.

[digital junco]

too late i fell into pessimism like 6 years ago

[haughty brook]

Is not pessimism, its precaution. Too many people feel the need to construct the entire plot of something that is only vaguely shown a few times and going with too many preconceptions only to find out that 4 out 5 times to be dissapointed when it doesn't fit with your headcanons.

[sweet lotus]

I'd also say 'don't expect anything not shown or explicitly clarified by the devs' as to avoid any disappointment whatsoever

[digital junco]

imo the plot not going the way you expect is only more surprising
not that i would ever 100% believe a random theory i made on an unreleased game

[woeful crystal]

I think we just need to make the difference between speculation and stuff that is confirmed by the devs.

[haughty brook]

I never had any expectations of how things would unfold in HK and was plesantly surprised, much more with the main character's backstory.

[digital junco]

I just really hope we get a godhome kind of situation

[tawdry valley]

We know that the goal to reach the citadel is only a temporary/Initial one. So we can assume that there’s a scaling big picture storyline.

[tribal schooner]

boss rush probs wont happen but we might still see a hall of gods kind of thing

[tawdry valley]

If I had to guess, it would relate to why hornet was important in the first place, and whatever her unlocked powers are to be used for

[digital junco]

Bosses are my favorite thing in gaming so i need to be able to fight them over and over

[chilly nexus]

seeing all this talk of plot expectations has me 👀

[tawdry valley]

I hope to god we don’t get a “”godhome”” godhome type situation.

[haughty brook]

I think is going to be alot about the Weaver and their history and relationship with Pharloom.

[digital junco]

i would like boss rush but honestly a hall of gods equivalent would be more than enough

[chilly nexus]

i know i shouldn't expect a boss rush, but by golly are boss rushes and getting to selectively re-fight bosses fantastic pieces of content

[tribal schooner]

what do you mean?

[digital junco]

imagine if silksong dropped and it was just an hk reskin

[sweet lotus]

can't imagine silksong without a boss rush mode

[tribal schooner]

i was all about the first 4 pantheons but i still cant beat the 5th. the endurance you need for it isnt pleasurable its just hard

[chilly nexus]

"We felt bad that we didn't follow through with letting you play as hornet in HK, so here's SS, but also here's HK scaled to hornet's size with all new enemies bosses, and the like. taking place in a new time period too"

[tribal schooner]

and i loved the new bosses particularly PV

[chilly nexus]

same, PV is my favourite boss (or tied with SoB)

I haven't bothered with the 5th either actually yeah 😅 gave it 1 go to say i did, but stopped cuz i was bitter about letting GPZ live and i did not care to get good at that fight

[tribal schooner]

hahaha. ive been able to get pretty far in it. i unlocked abs rad but beating her after all the other bosses is ridiculously tough. and i still cant beat her on ascended or even consistently in attuned so...

[chilly nexus]

if i wasn't so salty about gpz, i think i'd be motivated enough to do the same so i can experience absrad, but definitely wouldn't go through the pantheon and beat her at the end of it yeah

[fiery coral]

if you're worried about reskins

I do not think you should be looking forward to AbsRad

because that boss is lazier than me on a Saturday morning

[chilly nexus]

fortunately i'm not! PV, SoB, NKG, are all effectively reskins but are all great bosses

[fiery coral]

I mean in the sense of not really having significant changes

not literal reskins, probably should have clarified

[chilly nexus]

all g. i think the completionist in me would just want to beat absrad cuz she exists in the game

just once, and just on her own

[fiery coral]

fair enough

I personally utterly despise her

[tribal schooner]

honestly so true. abs rad was a pretty disappointing reskin that pales in the comparison of the changes we see with grim and PV

[fiery coral]

what they did with AR is, you know how Soul Tyrant and Failed Champion are just sped up versions of the originals

[tribal schooner]

thats why i want to beat p5. just to get that last achievement

[fiery coral]

that's what happened with Rad as well

which is acceptable for a boss that can be accessed by just dreamnailing the original; absolutely not, however, for a boss at the end of the longest boss rush in the game

especially if the bosses at the end of the previous boss rushes have been fun and unique as they were

[tribal schooner]

yeah not the best of TCs work but it is more of a completionist kind of think. even the completionist struggled with that achievement tho. so that says alot about its difficulty

[fluid jetty]

Well. We still can think of boss rash mod to be a dlc. As far as I heard, people didn't like godmasters. Maybe that was because of the two new endings, but still, I heard that boss rush made some bosses worse as they were part of the endurance test and looking at how big will be new silksong with bigger amount of enemies, the amount of bosses might increase as well. So boss rush will be a harder test of endurance than godhome was.

[tribal schooner]

good point. i played HK after godmasters came out so i consider it jsut part of the the game but i liked it fine aside from p5

any of you guys played eldest souls yet?

[manic zenith]

As far as I heard, people didn't like godmasters
I mean, some did, some didnt, it happens.

[coarse leaf]

i def get why people dont like godmaster, for most people that just want to do a chill casual gameplay its too hard/grind heavy, if your like me tho and want more, and that play the game to see themselves improve and really like challenge its just insanely great, the pantheons are a great skill test and HoG is just perfect for any kind of challenge on a boss, its just something that you can spend soooooo much time on

[finite lake]

hi

when silksong?

[serene chasm]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[tribal schooner]

hall of gods was the best thing. it made steel soul better and i liked getting so good at the bosses that they couldnt touch me. and there is no way I would have come to appriciate the bosses the same without the ability to play them more. freaking markoth tho. GIVE ME MY FLOOR!!!

[tribal schooner]

i swear you only get on to say that some days

[serene chasm]

Bots are lazy sometimes

[haughty brook]

So...lets talk about screenshots

[tribal schooner]

alright put some screen shots up

[serene chasm]

ok

any suggestions?

[tribal schooner]

all of them

[haughty brook]

Maybe we could talk about the changes made to Moss Grotto beteween demo and the Edge Magazine?

[serene chasm]

ok

Top is edge

[haughty brook]

"So how do you want to improve this background?" "Add some giant ribcage" "Great idea!"

[tribal schooner]

i was gonna say the positioning looks different from one to the other just slightly

[manic zenith]

its also less blurry which I like

[haughty brook]

Also there was that room with spawning enemies in deep docks.

[manic zenith]

which one is which

[serene chasm]

Bottom is Edge

[manic zenith]

yeah def look better

[serene chasm]

That light from the lava looks so good

[floral kindle]

Dirtier floor on the edge screenshot, not that it's bad ofc

[haughty brook]

Pharloom seem to be going hard on aesthetics even for the equivalent to the industrial zone.

[surreal mortar]

Anyone else gonna not watch the release date trailer when it comes out?

[serene chasm]

I might try to

[surreal mortar]

Seems like unnecessary spoilers in a way

[serene chasm]

yeah. the HK release trailer actually spoiled a lot. So you are probably right. Best to skip it.

[jade canopy]

On the screenshot i feel like hornet’s dress is like of a brighter red is it just cus of the quality or something else ?

[serene chasm]

Ill open it. Skip to the end to see the date and close it

[surreal mortar]

I’ll just look it up online I think

[serene chasm]

That way youtube wont recommend it to me

[tribal schooner]

im going to. its like a ritual for me.i generally watch the release and launch trailer for every game i play. i dont remember enough for it to spoil anything

[serene chasm]

They should just remake the reveal trailer but with all the final assets.

[undone nova]

i don't understand people not liking godmaster, i mean it has so many nice bosses and has a good flow to it

and lots of new art i don't get it, they put a lot of work into it

[agile herald]

The godmaster bosses are generally the best in the game

[serene chasm]

some people arent into boss rush modes.

[agile herald]

I like absrad, pv, and sob more than nkg I think

Besides nkg and maybe soul master and lost kin there aren’t many that are close to as good

[cerulean sable]

yeah remake it but with a shitty pop song remixed into something brooding and epic

[haughty brook]

Make it like the MN9 trailer, you know the one.

[cursive jetty]

Don't forget Hornet's vocals remixed to the beat

[cerulean sable]

i dont actually 🥴

only knew MN9 from the backlash

[cursive jetty]

Which MN9 trailer?

[surreal mortar]

I’m not a huge fan of godmaster cause it feels a bit disjointed and there’s no actual extrinsic reward for anything apart from the ending that’s locked behind an unnecessarily long boss gauntlet but that’s just me and like, it’s free so I’m not going to complain about it.

Bosses are great though

[haughty brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YngbHOz--oc

[surreal mortar]

They should make a trailer like that for Silksong

POV you’re watching a nindie direct in hopes of Silksong news

[serene chasm]

Hey Dude?! do you like cool games with bugs? hell yeah you do. You gotta play this game. Its got so many cool bugs

[surreal mortar]

Make those bosses cry like an anime fan on prom night

[cursive jetty]

A dash that gives you the Silksong release date

[haughty brook]

This is a SS channel

[undone nova]

sorry wrong discord

[haughty brook]

Forgiven

[serene jewel]

Ss news now please

[tribal schooner]

maybe in the direct that will supposedly happen in september

yeah september will likely have a nintendo direct and maybe we see hollowknight there. maybe not no one knows

[haughty brook]

Don't expect any SS news in directs or events though. It seems that TC goes for their own pacing.

[tribal schooner]

for sure

was silksong announced outside of a direct? it was teased but not announced right?

[carmine coral]

That demo should be downloadable

[tribal schooner]

it wasnt at the treehouse. they had a demo but im pretty sure the announcement was in the e3 direct of 2019 right?

june 2019 i think

yeah i just checked the directs in both feb 2019 and june 2019 and nothing. i stand corrected

so no day is more likely to get a launch trailer than another. tho leth might still opt for a nintendo direct launch still

[sweet lotus]

it's TC's decision

[sacred stratus]

8 months ago

the last time we got news was 8 months ago!

[nimble pebble]

Yes, you said it the first time

Time to find out if we won't get news for a whole year or will they grace us with a blogpost in december

[serene chasm]

Best we will get is a reply on kickstarter

[vocal plover]

I'm going insane, I can't stop thinking in silksong, I was totally fine these last years but now I can't remove silksong from my head, I just want to be able to play it because I'm totally sure I would love it but from what I know it could take like, 2 to 3 more years for it to be done since HK took 5 years to be made and silksong is supposed to be bigger than Hollow Knight was ann ndncnucuurbu I'M LOSING MY MIND

someone help me

[heavy magnet]

it's the new infection, taking root in your mind

[vocal plover]

oh no

[heavy magnet]

no mind to crave Silksong

[vocal plover]

Radiance 2: Eletric boogaloo

[sweet lotus]

try to detach yourself from this non healthy mindset — we all here anticipate this game, but at the end of the day it's just another gam— ohh fuck it SILKSONG SILKSONG SILKSONG

[serene chasm]

Embrace it. Spend all your time thinking of theories about the game. Study screenshots and videos for any details you can find.

[heavy magnet]

check out some other games - Blasphemous was a good metroidvania. That new game Grime that's out next week looks like it might scratch the itch

[sweet lotus]

and then lose yourself in the immense disappointment you've set yourself into by thinking about it too much and too hard

[cursive jetty]

Play all the soulsborne games, that should keep you distracted

[vocal plover]

I keep rewachting the same silksong speculation videos and theories from mossbag to StIzzl

I wacht them again and again like a broken record because there's nothing new about silksong

I've read every page on the wiki about silksong

[serene chasm]

you gotta make your own

[vocal plover]

there is nothing left for me to consume of silksong and I'm losing my mind

[serene chasm]

Or you can do what we all do and hang out here and shitpost

[vocal plover]

I DON'T like shitposts, they're shitty

[pallid flare]

shitpost is all I do nowadays

[serene chasm]

This is the dung defender realm now

[pallid flare]

same thing

[vocal plover]

DOMA DOMA DOMA DOMA DOMA

[serene chasm]

I wanna know if these symbols mean anything

[pallid flare]

[heavy magnet]

what's the full screen?

[analog forge]

prolly just random musical-esuqe syhmbols

[heavy magnet]

there's been no sign of dreams/Essence related power in SS yet, so I suspect that music and song will be taking the place of it
and will probably turn out to be just as magical/supernatural as dreams were

[sacred stratus]

looks like butterflies and musical notes

[sage berry]

those are particles produced by jonn

[sacred stratus]

maybe he's operated by music or something or magic?

[heavy magnet]

music operates steel clan robot-bugs

[serene chasm]

Full screen

[vocal plover]

I wonder what will happen to grubs once silksong comes out and the fleas take their role as the cute things you need to rescue

[heavy magnet]

I like it

[sacred stratus]

it's HK music can have some weird properties

[rotund abyss]

It's some depiction of sound

Or music

[sacred stratus]

it's silkSONG after all

[rotund abyss]

Steel Soul Jinn also had this trope - she was talking in rythmic sequences

[heavy magnet]

yea, i was just saying that music will probably be the 'dreams' of this game, with all the magical shenanigans that implies

[sacred stratus]

plus it sounds better than some armor coming to life by a dark milk

[rotund abyss]

So it's sound to assume that sound have smth to do with those steel guys (srry for the pun)

[coarse leaf]

Operated by silk and song

Fuck. Forgot to change my pfp-

[pallid flare]

why are you

[coarse leaf]

Don’t question it

[pallid flare]

why were you john doe

[coarse leaf]

You saw nothing

Everything that’s coming out of your keyboard is cap

[pallid flare]

🤨

[nimble pebble]

[dusk tulip]

apwot draws near

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[dusk tulip]

indeed

[languid linden]

I thought they said it was releasing at the end of July
Today is the last day of july :kekwait:

[chilly nexus]

it's been delayed to late july 2022

[dusk tulip]

[nimble pebble]

Delayed so they can add SS news

[chilly nexus]

ik they posted vids of it being in print and all that, but instead of breaking their word, they're just gonna wait for the next july to come

has anyone tried deep-reading edge for secret SS news? on the cover page they talk a lot about hiding secrets in the mag.

[reef scarab]

Didn’t they say that Silksong and pharloom would be more technical while hallownest was more magical

[chilly nexus]

to the person who deleted their message: yes, ss will be more physical and less magical

[dry valley]

yeah, there’s a spider on one page

[reef scarab]

deleted because it was supposed to be a reply

[chilly nexus]

XD i see that now

i was confused at the delete, it was a harmless message :p shoulda waited a bit

[burnt estuary]

wait ss has been delayed to next year july? or something else?

[sage berry]

where did TC say that again?

[chilly nexus]

in edge i think

[sage berry]

can you grab the quote?

[chilly nexus]

i'm just joking about APWOT and how they said late july is their goal but we're at the end of july

[dry valley]

With HK’s area music tending to be slow and moody, I kind of hope that some areas in SS have music that’s more like castlevania

[chilly nexus]

don't have the mag on me but ye, they said ss will be more grounded in the physical vs magical like hk was

[dry valley]

The Citadel would be cool if it had some bumpin tracks for you to listen to while you whack aristocrats (that’s not to say that cristopher larkin hasn’t already created a soundtrack full of bangers for HK)

[sage berry]

hm I don't remember reading anything like that

[pallid flare]

yeah they want less magic in silksong

[reef scarab]

I mean they were printing them out like a week ago and I assume they started shipping by now

[chilly nexus]

let us check their latest tweet

as of july 29th, they need to "get them bound and coalated, which will take a few days"

[chilly nexus]

(meant this in earnest. i didn't know what i'd find)

[sage berry]

oh I found the quote

“Magic is a more distant thing in Pharloom,” Pellen tells us. But there are still curious things happening: the pilgrims appear to be engaging in some cult-like behaviour in transporting silk to the top of the kingdom - even attacking each other along the way, one NPC tells us. And music has real power: here, Hornet serenades a friend

[dusk tulip]

https://apwot.com/issue-2 it now says order not preorder

[sacred stratus]

this article won't even be about SS why do I even care?

[dusk tulip]

theres silksong stuff

also no ones asking you to care

[sacred stratus]

there won't be anything about SS and that's confirmed plus it's not about if I care it's about why bother living when no SS news?

[serene jewel]

I feel you

[sweet lotus]

I sure hope everyone's trolling when they say things like these

[serene jewel]

Idk what I'm doing with my life Xd

[tribal schooner]

do you guys think we will get any more lore for the grubs?

[dusk tulip]

no

[chilly nexus]

i think it's one of the things that tc is gonna leave up to us to draw our own conclusions about

we'll probably get a few similarly semi-loose ends in ss

[serene jewel]

Aka we make the lore for them

[pallid flare]

they said that silksong isn't the main point of the article

no more, no less

[chilly nexus]

ye they spent a page talking about food

(which i respect)

[tribal schooner]

wait so did the article come out

[serene jewel]

Yes stuff no one cares about is in there

[pallid flare]

not yet

[chilly nexus]

it's not out but they showed a page from the TC article

i don't need to leak what they post about on twitter :p

[clever pike]

haha silksong not out joke

[chilly nexus]

tis true tho

[chilly nexus]

Soon: a valid belief since summer '19

[serene jewel]

They love taking their time

At best there will be "we are working hard on it"

[chilly nexus]

i think they'll talk about their process but i don't think we'll get any updates like "enemy X was just made!" (though i'd love a new enemy count)

[serene jewel]

Team cherry good.

[dry valley]

I hope you can play tunes on the needle whenever you want

[serene jewel]

I asked your mom last night she doesn't know either

[dry valley]

Just strum out the first four notes to megalovania when you beat a boss

Then do the Shaw taunt for the epic

[serene jewel]

(it won't happen)

[dry valley]

The only other game I’ve played that had something like that was spirit tracks lol

[dry valley]

Yeah, it’s nice to wonder though

[serene jewel]

Good mod support please

.. yeah no

[reef scarab]

remember, the interview was done in January

[tribal schooner]

i dont think its outside the realm of possibility. especially if the needolin is used in game like the ocoarina from Oot

[barren roost]

I'm back from holiday, what's happened?

[chilly nexus]

guess

you're right!

[barren roost]

wait a second here... it's all silknever?

[coarse leaf]

Lol

[chilly nexus]

remember when they were like: "We don't know what'll come out first, SS or APWOT!"

Q.E.D

[nimble pebble]

I don't ever remember that

[chilly nexus]

i think leth said it during the interview or something

[barren roost]

which interview?

[chilly nexus]

someone said it somewhere, and now we have the answer

the leth interview

[nimble pebble]

Lethterview

[tribal schooner]

i thought APWOT were the ones who said that

[barren roost]

oh did that come out

[tribal schooner]

and they wouldnt be privy to such info so obviously it wasnt reliable

[chilly nexus]

ah, i appreciate the correction

[barren roost]

no need, they'll notice

what was that?

[turbid kite]

we won't notice if no one pings us

[pallid flare]

ping if there's rule breaking stuff

[tribal schooner]

what are we talking about was there an ad or something

[pallid flare]

especially with weird links

[tribal schooner]

oh i see

[chilly nexus]

who wants to watch me stream sekiro in general twooooooooo

jk i don't have a controller on me

[reef scarab]

when?

[nimble pebble]

Silkwithinareasonabletime

[vivid belfry]

silksomesunnyday

[pallid flare]

silknottoday?

[nimble pebble]

Silkwithin18months

Agreeable

[reef scarab]

silktomorrow

silktoday

silknow

[nimble pebble]

Well from now to DEC 2023 when Leth says SS will be out before then or at least he guesses it will that's 28 months from now and I feel it'll be out by then

[reef scarab]

I wonder what this channel is gonna be like after it comes out

[analog forge]

silksong within the next 8 months

this channel will be spoiler central

[reef scarab]

Hah bold of you to assume anyone will understand the story enough to spoil it

mossbag creates the lore and TC makes it canon down the line

[analog forge]

There is more to spoilers than that of the story

boss fight mechanics, secret rooms, the uber nail of destiny

(its just life ender)

[modest jungle]

hey so has there been any updates to silksong since that E3 demo 2 years ago? i dont wanna sound like im being impatient or pressuring the devs or whatever but i honestly forgot this game was still in development since its been so long lol

[reef scarab]

December 2019 blogpost, 2020 summer character riddles, 2021 January edge magazine

[outer frost]

y'know i was thinking about SS' place in the hk timeline and thought it would be really cool if we get a cutscene or memory of hornet fighting thk in the EtV ending

it would be cool of we take control of hornet for the THK fight

[modest jungle]

i always imagined being able to play as hornet in the old hollow knight world, kinda like how pokemon gold and silver had kanto region accessible lol

is SS a sequel or a prequel? i never figured that out

[modest jungle]

ty btw

[outer frost]

we'll probably learn about that based off a cutscene at the end

[modest jungle]

damn this cover is sexy as fuck

[outer frost]

not as sexy as trobbio

trobbio's got drip

[pallid flare]

trobbioo

[stone comet]

trobbio beloved

[outer frost]

halo soundtrack intensifies

[stone comet]

mans vibing..

[reef scarab]

Unlikely due to the no canon thing

[outer frost]

he has ascended man

[obtuse glacier]

Pokemon

Thats not a pokemon

Why

[languid linden]

Based on current evidence, sequel is more likely

[outer frost]

use trobbio as a house pet

he is a good boi

looking at trobbios wiki page and..

[pallid flare]

what did you expect

[outer frost]

hes a drag queen

[sacred stratus]

he got da drip

[outer frost]

nothing more than that but i just want trobbio dialogue

[sacred stratus]

Trobbio is sure to have super funny dialoge

he looks like the dung defender of this game

[outer frost]

hes supposedly a clutz

[sacred stratus]

just silly and funny all around

[nimble pebble]

Trobbio is a theatre kid

I would say early-mid

[outer frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCmKx_Dgqzg

hornets voice in the trailer seems somewhat younger than what we hear in hk

[nimble pebble]

The pitch could have just been changed because hornet is the main character and not like 5 encounters at most

Makoto could also been having a bad voice day so her pitch was off for the demo va work

There's many options and reasons that are possible

[outer frost]

i hope its not permanent or at least make it make sense story wise

it would be weird hopping from one game to another and hornets voice changing each time

[vivid belfry]

I think it's because all of hornet's voice lines in the trailer are exclamatory

hornet's shouts in HK are just as high pitched, she just TALKS in a low tone

[untold inlet]

after i 100% ss normally i'm gonna open a twitch and do a stream where i play both hollow knight games at the same time

maybe by the time i finish, fearless fox will be out

[nimble pebble]

That's true

[analog pike]

So are we just not getting news this summer?

[nimble pebble]

You get news, but not the Silksong kind

[untold inlet]

news about covid surges

[analog pike]

Team cherry is laughing at our mutulated corpses

[brittle garnet]

The longer pause in news makes me even more convinced that the time will soon be upon us. You are under no obligation to listen to me though.

[pallid flare]

i have given up all hope

[livid creek]

The news of silksong is no news

[nimble pebble]

Australia is pretty stable with its Covid cases, and at the very least hasn't really ever affected TC

[untold inlet]

ok i was gonna say something along the lines of "been saying this since 2019" but when you take the riddles and edge into account this is the longest true news gap we've ever experienced....

[untold inlet]

yeah i was just referring to the news we're getting outside of the ss kind

[brittle garnet]

anyway my prediction is that the next official news we get is gonna be the release date

[untold inlet]

[brittle garnet]

not counting APWOT, but i don't think that really counts

[untold inlet]

yeah apwot doesn't count (plus the interview was prob done a while ago)

i'd like to think that this gap could be a final sprint to the release date but i've been spinning off predictions about tc all day and should probably stop

kinda unrelated but one of my irls told me a few days ago that he genuinely doesn't think ss is gonna release lol

[cursive jetty]

I imagine the release date will be revealed a week or a month earlier before the game comes out

[brittle garnet]

the interview was supposedly made all the way back in january 2020

[untold inlet]

yeah that makes sense, that magazine prob took a long time to put together

[brittle garnet]

i think that because TC has nothing interesting to show us means they're not adding anything new and are just polishing and bugfixing and other boring stuff like that.

the fact they updated HK makes me think that even more, since if they're done with content then not as much manpower is needed and one of them would have free time to work on HK

[cursive jetty]

They probably don't wanna spoil too much either, they've been very secretive about SS even before it was revealed

[outer frost]

i honestly dont care that we arent getting news right now

but i bet once silksong drops there's gonna be some form of adverts for it

[untold inlet]

Nintendo might hype it up

[cursive jetty]

I just hope it gets released when I have enough free time to enjoy it without getting stressed

[untold inlet]

But also HK spread significantly through word of mouth and I feel like SS might not be advertised much either

It's already the 5th most wishlisted game on Steam

[hazy lark]

Im probably gonna be in the army until the release… 😦

[untold inlet]

Definitely not as time consuming for me but I'm gonna be going into my senior year of hs... college apps are gonna have to WAIT

[cursive jetty]

Nintendo will probably advertise it a lot

[untold inlet]

I was a freshman when SS was announced

[brittle garnet]

Silksoon, for real this time

[pallid flare]

i was young when silksong was announced

i am still young btw

[reef scarab]

Yeah they don’t reveal dates until they’re confident

[mortal bluff]

I still had kids when silksong was announced

[outer frost]

but i feel they wouldnt pass up the time for extra advertisement on other platforms

[coarse leaf]

Pretty much

[formal karma]

i still have fond memories of the time I almost peed myself when I saw "second game by team cherry"

[outer frost]

whats new? hk withdrawals and a desire for a new metroidvania game

[formal karma]

how can you have withdrawals of HK when it still exists?

[outer frost]

by finishing it

it by finishing

[tribal schooner]

by it finishing

[outer frost]

you forgot the trobbio emoji

[tribal schooner]

i was fixing it as you typed

[outer frost]

sweet

[tribal schooner]

i think he is the true puppet master

like fawful from bowsers inside story

[outer frost]

hello!

how it be curly?

[pallid flare]

hi curly

[serene chasm]

It be good

[glossy gazelle]

Greetings

[outer frost]

das good

[serene chasm]

How are you all?

[glossy gazelle]

Good

[outer frost]

im doin good rn

[coarse leaf]

Goood

[outer frost]

yeah i think we went ofther that already right?

july 25th is my bday

that would be cool for it to release then

well i am somewhat of a hornet enthusiast myself

[tired lake]

Or think about the fact that silksong not out yet, delete your brain for patience

[olive bobcat]

It's gonna release on September 12th I swear

You decide

[outer frost]

depends which is closest to the real release date

[spark pine]

🤙

[tired lake]

I did believe in this summer ngl, now I say 2022 summer

[spark pine]

I’m excited for that whole area honestly

Ants are rad

[brittle garnet]

we still have a month of summer

[spark pine]

5% chance for 23 is a bit to high maybe

[outer frost]

i like that there's two ant bosses (that we know of)

instead of just one

[spark pine]

I sure hope not😅

Maybe somewhat late 2022

[brittle garnet]

all of these chances are not backed up by anything other than feeling

[outer frost]

silkasongs gonna release yesterday i know it

[wide mango]

[sweet lotus]

I don't see why it's that more probable for Silksong to release in 2022 than in the 5 remaining months of 2021

[brittle garnet]

How so

[sweet lotus]

realistic based on what facts?

I mean, miniscule chance of it releasing in August, sure

[brittle garnet]

We have almost nothing to go off of other than the statistical possibility which is kinda bullshit

[sweet lotus]

this

[outer frost]

i wish there were some blog posts that dont really tell much but just tell what stage of development silksongs in rn

[spark pine]

Yeah that would be nice

But on the other hand when Silksong does finally come out it’ll be such a nice surprise

[sweet lotus]

I believe we are in for a pleasant surprise

[outer frost]

again this isnt backed up by anything but i think it'll be a lot sooner than anyones expecting

it might just pop up in two months

[brittle garnet]

I am inclined to believe this as well

[sweet lotus]

especially those absurd 2023 projections fueled by the disappointment of no E3 news and virtually no feedback in the last 18 months

[spark pine]

We thought that about 2 years ago

[outer frost]

my prediction is late 2021 through early 2022

[brittle garnet]

Like, if they were pretty much done with all the enemies by the end of 2019, imagine how much progress they've made in 1.5 years

[spark pine]

Mid to late 22 gang

[viral pivot]

you say that but what if does release in 2023

[formal karma]

then it releases in 2023

[viral pivot]

i was so sure it would be 2021 last year

[formal karma]

ever feb my prediction moves to next feb

[outer frost]

well its been two years and blog posts are slowing down so im making a pretty good assumption people can reasonably believe

[formal karma]

they did state quite some time ago they'd be more vocal towards release

[brittle garnet]

yeah but 2 years ago everyone was just riding the hype

[formal karma]

iirc

[brittle garnet]

they said they'd be revealing more info, not necessarily more often

In my mind EDGE was the more info

[sweet lotus]

that's what happens when the announcement trailer and the subsequent E3 presentation gives the impression that the game is almost finished. And that was 2 full years ago.

[brittle garnet]

i can't imagine them revealing any more than in EDGE

[sweet lotus]

I certainly hope they won't

[outer frost]

yeah edge was a good bit of info

and i dont expect them to do anymore leaks due to the fact they probably dont want to spoil the game anymore

[sweet lotus]

I mean we already know that the Citadel is not the end of the journey. Going into the interview I prepared myself for info I could have avoided if I wanted to play it blind, but even then that was too much to know.

[outer frost]

man i aint watching any videos till i finish silksong

[fiery smelt]

||SILKSONG WHEN|| i can't wait for the release! 2419 is gonna be a great year.

[outer frost]

hey guys! we got a funny guy over here!

[sweet lotus]

you are phony! you are a big fat phony!

[edgy sleet]

have we run out of things to talk about ss

[edgy sleet]

same

[nimble pebble]

Next year is a great year for games

[outer frost]

def getting crowsworn

[serene chasm]

Did any of you guys back it?\

[shy stirrup]

I wanted to but couldn’t

I’m definitely buying it when it releases tho

[edgy sleet]

im excited for BOTW2 and splatoon 3 and of course SS

[copper knot]

me

[shy stirrup]

God I can’t wait for splatoon 3

Shit gonna bang

[outer frost]

dude none of the games i want rn are out and it pains me

[edgy sleet]

its gonna be great

[shy stirrup]

Metroid dread is coming out in October

[edgy sleet]

rip

[shy stirrup]

That’s gonna be super dope

[edgy sleet]

i don't know how i feel about splatoon 3 it looks cool but i just hope nintendo does it justice

[shy stirrup]

I’m sure they will

[outer frost]

wait really???

[shy stirrup]

Yup. October 8th 2021

[outer frost]

im getting it

[edgy sleet]

is SS gonna be at PAX aus this year?

[shy stirrup]

I doubt it tbh

[outer frost]

it'll be the first metroid game i've owned and it looks sick

[shy stirrup]

I’ve played every 2D Metroid other than 1 (I played zero mission instead)

They are super good.

Not best video games of all time good but good

[outer frost]

so since dreads coming out on october i got some shite i can play while waiting for ss

[silver oak]

Next year? I highly doubt it

[edgy sleet]

its 2023

[shy stirrup]

Didn’t they say December 2023

Which is also just an estimation

It’ll probably get delayed

[edgy sleet]

yeah

[silver oak]

It’s still in predev I think

Waaaayyyy behind silksong

[edgy sleet]

personally im not very excited for crowsworn but maybe i will buy it if im bored

[silver oak]

I backed it cuz it looks promising

But yeah I’m far more excited for silksong

Everything about it feels… cleaner

[edgy sleet]

yeah

[shy stirrup]

Crossword doesn’t look that good rn because it’s in the stage hk was during Kickstarter

Like the old hk trailers look pretty shit too

The game runs at 10fps in those trailers

[edgy sleet]

the mods are messing with us again

[nimble radish]

haha, pale court

[hollow terrace]

Zals birthday

[outer frost]

oh sweet

[edgy sleet]

oh ok i was thinking ss kinda stuff happy birthday zal

[hollow terrace]

hehe they dont know

[edgy sleet]

yeah

[outer frost]

[edgy sleet]

oops

[analog forge]

i cant belive silksong is coming out on my birthday :o

wait no, time to get sued 😔

[edgy sleet]

heres a wild guess

SS is this month because why not

[carmine coral]

Well you see its the last day of the month

So id say its not very likely

[edgy sleet]

im in australia

its august for me and team cherry

[shy stirrup]

Why are you in Austria

[serene chasm]

its august for everyone

[shy stirrup]

It’s jul 31st in Canada

[copper knot]

no its january

[carmine coral]

its july

[edgy sleet]

timezones

[copper knot]

its january smh

[carmine coral]

Timezones are fake, only cst is correct

[copper knot]

its the 1st of january 2022

[outer frost]

whatever this guys having i'll gladly have

[trim estuary]

It can only come out in February silly

[carmine coral]

4$

[trim estuary]

Correct!

Wait, CEST or CST

[carmine coral]

Cst

[trim estuary]

Okay good

[reef scarab]

It’s gonna be sick

[outer frost]

what about 6 geo?

[carmine coral]

Highest i can do is 5

Maybe 4

[outer frost]

but.. im paying you?

[carmine coral]

Listen if you really want, we can do 3

[serene chasm]

Oh yeah. Forgot it was still July

[edgy sleet]

i think its gonna come out this month

wdym lol

[outer frost]

sharpe looks really cool

he's the only void being showcased in silksong news so far (that i know of)

[serene chasm]

He does look cool. Seriously all the backer bosses in SS look cool

[outer frost]

i like the ant queen lady she's cool

seths also a really cool one

[reef scarab]

dude seth looks awesome

[fleet temple]

he does

[serene chasm]

I dont think you can say that

[reef scarab]

Rest in piece seth, thanks for creating the design for a sick ass boss

[fleet temple]

#hk-lore disagrees though

[reef scarab]

OH MY GOD OH NO I DIDN’T MEAN IT LIKE THAT

[outer frost]

seth deserves to get the coolest backer character named after him

[serene chasm]

But yeah. Seth looks like such a cool boss. I love the fact that in the gif, hornet doesnt get one hit on him.

[reef scarab]

But freal Seth is one of the bosses I’m most excited for and I’m glad it seems like you become friendly with him at some point

[reef scarab]

Yeah you gotta really work for hits, stuff like that wasn’t really in hk

[fleet temple]

i'm kinda terrified tbh

[reef scarab]

I think the counter will come in handy during that fight

But you can probably hit him when he throws his shield

[serene chasm]

It would be cool IMO if Seth took very few hits to defeat but those hits took skill to get

[fleet temple]

seth is essentially the tiso fight we all deserved

[reef scarab]

He’s def gonna be one of the characters that accepts defeat and those ones look to be some of my favorites

[serene chasm]

Poor Tiso

[outer frost]

seth and the bell beast excite me since you become allies with them after a boss fight, which we didnt really have other than ddefender but he just chatted and i think seth might have some quests to do instead of just chatter

[vivid belfry]

Seth is allowed to have a boss fight because he's not technically a backer

[hybrid gulch]

"sere m-" mawlek do funne cronch

[vivid belfry]

Tiso is disqualified

[serene chasm]

Tiso should have payed more

[reef scarab]

I mean hornet kinda became your ally

Definitely more so than ogrim

[outer frost]

also kinda just chatter tho

but im assuming seths gonna have items tied specifically to him

[reef scarab]

I think playing a crucial part in the fight against the hollow knight to ensure that the radiance can be destroyed counts as allyship

[outer frost]

yeah i forgot about that

[fleet temple]

maybe we'll get his shield?

also to me he seems like an optional boss but idk

[serene chasm]

Being able to throw his shield would be cool

[fleet temple]

yeah, although i guess it might be too similar to the boomerang

[reef scarab]

Pure speculation like this never feels like it’ll be accurate, but maybe a shield could work as a block/parry option with specific durability

[reef scarab]

If anything hornet would probably get a more makeshift version I’d imagine

[serene chasm]

Hornet already has a block/parry move

[outer frost]

i think seth might teach hornet how to parry/block

[reef scarab]

That’s a counter

[serene chasm]

I dont. Seth didnt exist until a year later after the trailer

[reef scarab]

I guess I kinda mean something like baldur shield except a bit better lol

[outer frost]

it better be fucking good seth seems awesome

[serene chasm]

she literally blocks and then parries

[analog forge]

why would hornet need to learn how to parry? she already knows how to parry, she does it in hollow knight

[nimble pebble]

I don't think they'd do Seth Goldman dirty

[chilly nexus]

i don't think seth gives anything hornet outright, but you do get access to whatever precious thing/secret he's guarding once you beat him so there's that

[analog forge]

It makes much more sense that her equipment just inst up to snuff to be able to parry properly early.

[serene chasm]

she lost her powers

[analog forge]

Parrying isnt a power

[outer frost]

and its likely its a prequel since the sealed siblings ending wouldnt be canon if it was a sequel

[analog forge]

There is zero chance its a prequel

[outer frost]

so she might learn parrying later on

[chilly nexus]

every savefile of every game is its own timeline imo

[reef scarab]

Literally it being a prequel cannot conceivably fit with the timeline

[outer frost]

doesnt hornet go on some quest in before the events of hk?

[nimble pebble]

The problem at hand here isn't about it being a power because it isn't, she passes out when she reaches a certain point in Moss Grotto, She's weak, it makes sense she wasn't capable to parry since she didn't have enough strength to

[analog forge]

what? no.
We know of no quests hornets gone on before hk

[outer frost]

[nimble pebble]

Hornet is protecting Hallownest and has not left her duty

[reef scarab]

Also deus ex machina butterflies can destroy seals of binding and the egg doesn’t have any dreamers so I assume there’s some way they can kidnap her

[nimble pebble]

She can be kidnapped in every ending

[analog forge]

I doubt random low level cultists are carrying seal breaking butterflies

[nimble pebble]

What's to stop someone higher up just sending one to the seal and the sackheads following suit

[analog forge]

for one? distance

If you have a high ranking dude, you have them escorted by the rank and file