sk-discussion

[copper knot]

omori-discussion

[olive bobcat]

It's ||chicken ball||, I kept it as slice in my notes

[copper knot]

honestly if you like omori i think you'll like lisa

[olive bobcat]

Yep, got them (thanks Squizzard funds)

[vivid belfry]

Alright I got that one

[olive bobcat]

(Spoilers for late game) they call me mr. gamer

[pallid flare]

not using the better saves mod? cringe

[olive bobcat]

I don't mod Omor

[pallid flare]

i'm a save file hoarder

[copper knot]

SHIT I ACCIDENTALLY CLICKED THAT

[pallid flare]

re enter chat

[copper knot]

[olive bobcat]

My second save file is my third run because I did a save at ||black space in case I messed something up on my alt run||

[pallid flare]

why there

[olive bobcat]

There was stuff there iirc

[nimble pebble]

Beautiful

[marsh ibex]

Get on topic

[nimble pebble]

Also Hi Simo

[pallid flare]

what was that name

[finite lake]

siklsong news?

[olive bobcat]

no

[finite lake]

😦

[vivid belfry]

The topic is now set to "ON."
Turn it "OFF?"

[nimble pebble]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pallid flare]

what is #on-topic

[vivid belfry]

Tool discussion

[olive bobcat]

Would you like to turn the topic valve to the right or to the left

[vivid belfry]

Smh that was supposed to be an OFF reference

[finite lake]

what would you give to get silksong news?

[pallid flare]

don't turn to the left

[olive bobcat]

idk, a stick of gum or something

i have a lot of those

[vivid belfry]

I would wait an amount of time between 6 months and a year

[finite lake]

what would you do to get the realse date for silksong?

[olive bobcat]

wait

[pallid flare]

i would wait

I also have 5€ so idk

[finite lake]

someone done maths and figured the average realse date is on 18th of oct

[olive bobcat]

Well that's a waste of time

[pallid flare]

wasn't that grover who did it

[olive bobcat]

A profound waste of time

[finite lake]

idk man

everyone silksong will realse on 31st of dec 9999

[vivid belfry]

I'm offended that you think I would use something as frivolous as math to find a release date
I only use dream interpretation

[pallid flare]

oh sorry my good sir

[finite lake]

i had a dream where silksong realsed 16th of june

[pallid flare]

didn't mean to offend you

[marsh ibex]

You do math all the time

[vivid belfry]

Yeah but not for release dates

[marsh ibex]

Yes you do

[finite lake]

what is the worst thing you could use as a unit of messerment?

[olive bobcat]

feet

[cunning geode]

football fields

[finite lake]

a glueon

[marsh ibex]

a glipglopper

[vivid belfry]

Glizzies

[finite lake]

a gluon is inside an quark which is inside a molecule which is inside an atom

[burnt topaz]

lightyears, it isnt even time

[finite lake]

i think

[rancid sail]

so does anyone know when silk song is coming out

[vivid belfry]

Actually can we use that to measure hornet's height

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[finite lake]

yes

[olive bobcat]

Measuring food serving sizes in moles

[pallid flare]

what's up with all these questions all of a sudden

[cunning geode]

Desperation

[burnt topaz]

its that time of the month

[finite lake]

if you where desparate what would you do to get silksong realse date?

[olive bobcat]

fake 200

[pallid flare]

where would I be desperate?

[marsh ibex]

Why would I be desperate for a release date

I have standards kekw

[finite lake]

would you go to Australia to get silksong realse date?

[pallid flare]

i dont think that i'm desperate for something

[burnt topaz]

I would like to go to australia anyways

[olive bobcat]

Nope

[pallid flare]

australia is too warm, no

[finite lake]

i have news on silksong

it has nothing to do with tectonic plates

[olive bobcat]

Then how do you explain the secret area that rearranges when you pull the tectonic switches?

[finite lake]

what?

[olive bobcat]

Exactly

[finite lake]

what?

what do you mean?

[nimble pebble]

Exactly

[pallid flare]

thank you for finally saying it, aluo

[olive bobcat]

The people needed to know

[cunning geode]

aluo is japing

[nimble pebble]

A wise Prophet

[finite lake]

tectonic switches has nothing to do with silksong

[pallid flare]

they do

[finite lake]

what do they have to do with silksong?

[olive bobcat]

Then how do you explain the underground ruins that have an inscription of the shifting times?

[pallid flare]

yeah the inscriptions, you don't know them?

[nimble pebble]

They're pretty obvious man

[olive bobcat]

Clearly not

[finite lake]

people/living organisms carved them in

[olive bobcat]

Exactly, and what would they carve them in for?

[pallid flare]

no

[finite lake]

to tell people of the shifting times

[olive bobcat]

I think you're forgetting a key moment of the Pharloom lore

[finite lake]

silk and song?

[olive bobcat]

The shifting times were when the tectonic plates forged the kingdom, that's why the inscription is there

[finite lake]

ah

[olive bobcat]

How did you miss out on such a crucial moment

[pallid flare]

dude do you even silksong?

[cunning geode]

are you done tormenting traitor lord fellas

[finite lake]

can hornet undo the creating of the kingdom

[nimble pebble]

Smh

[olive bobcat]

I prefer the term "jesting"

[nimble pebble]

Hornet becomes Queen of Pharloom my uncle from Team Cherry told me

[finite lake]

which team cherry member?

[pallid flare]

maybe, perhaps the tectonic switches will tell us

[nimble pebble]

I'm not doxxing my uncle

[finite lake]

where are the switches?

[olive bobcat]

In the secret area, we told you

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

in the secret area, mate

[nimble pebble]

The secret area is pretty based

[finite lake]

oh so when you get to the secret area it closes and hornet undoes the creating of pharloom?

[pallid flare]

it was featured in the first magazine so you might not know about it

[olive bobcat]

proceeds to make an edit of this epicly

[finite lake]

i understand now

are the insciptions in the secret area?

[olive bobcat]

No

[finite lake]

intresting

[pallid flare]

kind of

[finite lake]

does hornet start at the bottem or top of pharloom?

[olive bobcat]

Bottom, this is actually something true

[finite lake]

i know

[nimble pebble]

From Bonebottom to citadel top

[pallid flare]

the citadel isn't even the end goal

[finite lake]

mossy grotto

[nimble pebble]

Mosss

[vivid belfry]

The citadel is just where the gravity switch happens and you go through upside down pharloom

[nimble pebble]

Amazing

[finite lake]

what is silksongs ending?

[olive bobcat]

Yeah imma make a fake of the tectonic plates area

[finite lake]

why

[olive bobcat]

Why not

[pallid flare]

epic tectonic plate area

[finite lake]

send it to team cherry

[pallid flare]

shall it be engraved in the tales of hypothetical silksong areas along with snow monastery and the like

[finite lake]

in the middle

[olive bobcat]

Maybe there's a quest there to attach the hooks with strings so the plates stay in place

[finite lake]

it should be timed

[olive bobcat]

Nah

[finite lake]

ok

[olive bobcat]

Making it timed would make it unfun imo

[finite lake]

silksong

[olive bobcat]

Instead of exploring the area for fun and finding the hooks as you go, you'd be exploring on a schedule

@cunning geode

[languid linden]

Do we ping mods?

[pallid flare]

the fuck was that

[languid linden]

Thanks Wombat

[olive bobcat]

a troll probs

[pallid flare]

thanks mod

they are what??

[olive bobcat]

Traitor Lord is either very bored or a bad troll

[finite lake]

very bored

[pallid flare]

wait did they just spam that

[olive bobcat]

Yeah it was a ss wall

[pallid flare]

[cunning geode]

Alright move on

[pallid flare]

i uhhh

i want silksong?

[timber star]

I don't suppose any of you know where this track came from? All I remember about it is that I downloaded it somewhere on this discord and it was inspired by Christopher Larkin. It really slaps so I wanna find out who made it.

#hk-general failed me

[pallid flare]

mhh I like it

[vivid belfry]

Tool idea: low effort trolling
Type: active
Shell shard cost: 15
Tool wheel maximum: 3
Hornet does low effort trolling and fills the screen with text bubbles. Every visible enemy becomes enraged, attacking faster but taking increased damage for 10 seconds

[pallid flare]

I don't recognize it, sorry

[timber star]

turns out nothing comes up if you search for feral stinger in this server, before now of course

[burnt topaz]

Ive never heard it before either

[timber star]

that's what I'm asking... I got it from somewhere in this discord

[vagrant umbra]

When you want to ask this channel something, but it isn’t Silksong related.

[timber star]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappear-disappointment-gif-4756048

[burnt topaz]

we know nothing but omori and silksong

[nimble pebble]

I know about Gungeon as well

but I agree with Catboy sherma

[burnt topaz]

im changing my nick back i cant be catboy sherma anymore

[nimble pebble]

Ok

[burnt topaz]

The only time in recent memory where we got music was that supposed ''leak''
any updates on that?

[pallid flare]

I think that it was just hornet's theme played on a piano

[burnt topaz]

was it?

[pallid flare]

it was quite funny

I think Joker has it on his channel

I think that it's this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_cNOBaTuV0

[burnt topaz]

yes it was that one

[signal crag]

Oh, i remember that one

[pallid flare]

I joined in march so idk

[trim estuary]

You did?

Which March

[pallid flare]

this one I think

[trim estuary]

Oh

[pallid flare]

well I obviously joined this server way back in 2019 or 2020 but I only started being active somewhat recently

[barren roost]

I see aluo has the pink thingy

[pallid flare]

pink

[olive bobcat]

Yes

[pallid flare]

can't you buy boosts without nitro?

[languid linden]

I think so

[wheat kernel]

yes you can

[pallid flare]

ok

[minor vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849635619428630559/861671972836605992/832278719807619114.gif

[languid linden]

Okay?

[pallid flare]

ok

[vivid belfry]

Wig, okay

[nimble pebble]

Ched

[pallid flare]

chat is dead

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

Care to revive it with me?

[pallid flare]

ok

[vivid belfry]

Hornet should have a passive tool that causes binding to make you blink forward (shape of unn 2)

[nimble pebble]

What kind of conversation shall we partake in

[nimble pebble]

Elaborate

It did though

[vivid belfry]

You press the bind button, hornet disappears, hornet reappears a set distance in the direction you were facing, maybe with a silk teleportation animation kinda like breath of the wild teleport ribbons

[nimble pebble]

I can't think of the teleport ribbons in BOTW as anything but cat piss because of a dumb game grumps joke

[glossy gazelle]

How is that like Shape of Unn

[nimble pebble]

You move while healing with shape of Unn

[vivid belfry]

Because you move while healing

[glossy gazelle]

Oh

I misunderstood the word blink there

Also get snailed lol

[nimble pebble]

When you fast travel to a shrine

[vivid belfry]

Give me a break it takes 30 seconds to load the goddamn chat

[glossy gazelle]

Yes I will continue to steal Pyro’s line

[marsh ibex]

Pyro more like nairo

[nimble pebble]

[vivid belfry]

Also generally blinking conserves momentum so maybe do that

[pallid flare]

you stole everything from me

also, get snailed, lol

[glossy gazelle]

Already mentioned the snail lol

[pallid flare]

we live in a society

[nimble pebble]

A bug society

[bleak scarab]

its very buggy

[pallid flare]

I don't think that anyone blinks in the hollow knight franchise

[nimble pebble]

Hornet blinks when you're not looking

[pallid flare]

hollow knight is a cover-up! for...

something? idk

[bleak scarab]

Of Hollow Knight from...

[stiff burrow]

Does Bardoon count as blinking

[nimble pebble]

Yes

[pallid flare]

does he?

[nimble pebble]

He blinks his face

[stiff burrow]

It's a weird blink but it looks like one

[pallid flare]

that doesn't count

[nimble pebble]

it does

[pallid flare]

you blink with your eyes

[nimble pebble]

He blinks

[stiff burrow]

Different species different ways to blink

[bleak scarab]

Zote does??

[pallid flare]

gimme a full minute

[bleak scarab]

ohh

I remember now

[pallid flare]

zote does not blink in dirtmouth

[barren roost]

sure do

[bleak scarab]

Imagine everyone just sleep with their eyes wide open

[barren roost]

we'd have a lot more eye infections then, I expect

[pallid flare]

i do but bardoon doesn't

[nimble pebble]

Well technically most bugs in HK partly due to Ari's art style look like they have eye sockets rather than eyes

So blinking or lack there of is simply an artistic choice

[pallid flare]

I don't think that the knight runs into the risk of an eye infection

[languid linden]

TK doesn't really have eyes

[nimble pebble]

[languid linden]

Actually I don't think the PK does either

[nimble pebble]

Vessels do not have eyes, the opening cinematic is quite clear to show the hollowed out eyes of The Knight

[languid linden]

Hey doesn't the WL blink

[nimble pebble]

yes

[pallid flare]

i actually was going to make an infection joke but ok

screw you nerds

[languid linden]

[pallid flare]

hint: she doesn't

[languid linden]

Like that

[bleak scarab]

she has a mouth underneath her mask thing

[languid linden]

That's not a mask, that's her head

[nimble pebble]

Mouths or lack there of is simply an Artistic choice by Ari

[pallid flare]

she does

[nimble pebble]

That's it, that's the only reason, it's part of the art style

[pallid flare]

i have a picture of that somewhere but i'm too lazy to look

[nimble pebble]

Guys, it's simply not drawn because it's not part of Ari's art style to draw mouths it's not that deep

[pallid flare]

we know

[nimble pebble]

She still has one

[bleak scarab]

No

[languid linden]

Hive Knight too

[pallid flare]

well there's one thing I can say for certain

zote has a mouth

[nimble pebble]

There are few exceptions to having mouths in HK, it simply means he could give the character a mouth without clashing with his Art style

[bleak scarab]

I think this sorta explains what I was thinking how hornet eats https://thecornermushroom.tumblr.com/post/188080156687/how-does-hornet-and-pretty-much-everyone-else

[pallid flare]

aklabar booptis

[nimble pebble]

Hive knight be like

*Vomits bees

[bleak scarab]

You think hornet is void

[nimble pebble]

There's literally several forms of evidence against that

[pallid flare]

are we really going to debate if hornet is void

[nimble pebble]

You know, Grohac one of the backer characters in the spirit glade wears the corpses of ants around his neck, so it's a good thing he's dead and not in Pharloom

[trim estuary]

I killed them all

[nimble pebble]

I felt bad about eliminating all the spirits in the spirit glade

[trim estuary]

I even eliminated Cloth

[nimble pebble]

Cloth would want you to take her with you as essence I feel

[trim estuary]

No, you set her free by taking the energy keeping her there

[pallid flare]

people who didn't dreamnail her just are in ultimate denial

[trim estuary]

true

[nimble pebble]

Tbh dream nailing the spirit glade spirits is just what someone who's on their first playthrough and doesn't know any better and just assumes you should dream nail all spirits

[trim estuary]

You should though

[nimble pebble]

Essence is memory not an actual spirit

Correct

[trim estuary]

…wait

[nimble pebble]

It's a dead persons memory that is it

[marsh ibex]

yeah so it’s morally okay

[nimble pebble]

But not the dead person themselves

[trim estuary]

yeah

[marsh ibex]

now fucking over revek

that’s extra okay revek is an ass

[trim estuary]

It’s okay he forgets

[marsh ibex]

yeah I stopped feeling bad when they killed me 3 times

after the first time I did it just to spite the man

[nimble pebble]

A lot of the spirit glade backer designs are cool

You know it's pretty funny how a lot of the bosses we know of in SS that are people's favourites are backer bosses

[barren roost]

why do we have the same emote for a different character

[trim estuary]

?

[pallid flare]

[normal hinge]

silksong?

wiki for dialogue

[fallow rock]

do we have anyother things for silksong ill be waiting

[pallid flare]

what?

[fallow rock]

what?

[vivid belfry]

why?

[pallid flare]

who?

[ocean coral]

amgons us

[pallid flare]

among who?

[ocean coral]

me

[vivid belfry]

Good discussion guys

[stone oxide]

hi grober

[pallid flare]

who is grove?

[vivid belfry]

🖐️ 😳 🤌

Hi mads

[stone oxide]

Being bueno

[pallid flare]

being bueno sounds pretty cool to me

[nimble pebble]

Mads hello

[pallid flare]

did you just

[hollow terrace]

yall can quit it

[nimble pebble]

You think that's enabled?

[pallid flare]

quit what

[nimble pebble]

[barren roost]

ss discussion at it's finest

[coarse leaf]

Is ss out yet

[pallid flare]

no

[tribal merlin]

weird to ask in chat instead of looking at the store

[barren roost]

one might say silknever

[pallid flare]

truer words haven't been spoken yet

[trim estuary]

Step 1: open steam
Step 2: go to the store section
Step 3: click on the search bar and type “silksong”
Step 4: click “Hollow Knight: Silksong” in the drop down menu
Step 5: look and see if it says “TBD” “TBA” “Coming Soon” or if it has a release date or a buy button.
Step 6: if it has the first 3, wait for a few minutes and repeat the process. If it has either of the 2 last ones, buy it or wait for it to release.

[torn terrace]

very good

[pallid flare]

mods can we have this as a Dyno command

[coarse leaf]

i was being facetious

silksong is dead

[pallid flare]

no memes pour favour

[languid linden]

[marsh ibex]

Can you not?

[pallid flare]

I, for once, agree with joker

[coarse leaf]

everyone is a critic..

[formal karma]

joker is a pretty reliable dude

[ornate beacon]

Holy shit joker is a mod again?

[formal karma]

'silknever'

[pallid flare]

has been for the better part of the year mate

[marsh ibex]

aye

[languid linden]

He's been mod again for several months

[ornate beacon]

I haven't been active.

All that I am is fading.

[nimble pebble]

emperor of basedpeople

[pallid flare]

tbh he isn't all that based

[shy stirrup]

i really wonder how much ss has changed since reveal

[vivid belfry]

I mean, a shitton

[pallid flare]

quite a bit, I would say

[tardy orbit]

It’s probably playable rather than not, now

[shy stirrup]

im always curious about the tiny stuff that gets changed

[pallid flare]

you could probably play a decent amount now

[shy stirrup]

like how in hk they flipped the isma's tear room

[tardy orbit]

We will have to wait for the pcgamer in depth interview for that

In like 2 years

[shy stirrup]

i wonder how many crests there will be

[marsh ibex]

17

or maybe 38

[pallid flare]

at least three, I would say

[silver oak]

crests? not a lot

I'd say 10 max

[pallid flare]

i don't even really know what crests even are

[silver oak]

I'd bet there'll be more tools than there were charms

[pallid flare]

i'm too far in to really admit it

[silver oak]

Crests determine the number and types of tooll you can equip

I think they can also give you special buffs

For instance, the basic one might have 1 of each type, but another late game one would have three blues, two reds, and no yellows

They're basically like a more complicated form of charm slots

[pallid flare]

[nimble pebble]

I think there will be an ultimate crest gotten end game that has 10 of each colour type

This is also under the belief that some tools will take up more than one crest

So let's say the pogoable spike wheel is 3 red crests

[silver oak]

Hm, that's interesting

[nimble pebble]

Get my meaning?

[silver oak]

I don't think they want you to be too op tho

I doubt that you would end the game with 10x more power than when you started

[nimble pebble]

It's kind of why I put it as an end game crest since it'd be the most op and likely be used for boss rushes or other hard stuff

[nimble pebble]

I suppose it would depend how many you get early on then

Perhaps it'll be like HK and you start with 3

[silver oak]

In HK the charm slots went from 3 to 10, your theoretical crest would have 30 over the 3 in the basic "Hunter's crest"

[nimble pebble]

3 to 11* but yes

You know we could just go the route that your crest upgrades

[silver oak]

Yeah 11

[chilly nexus]

i don't know if tools will take up more than one crest slot of their colour (idk how they'd make that work on the UI, each crest is designed specifically around the slot positions), but they miiiight have slots that have innate capacities? like red slot X on crest A can take a tool of power 1 or 2, but red slot Y on crest A is limited to tools with a power of 1

[nimble pebble]

[chilly nexus]

but tbh i think every slot is just 1 tool and that's it

[silver oak]

Like an upgrade tree?

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps, we'll see

[nimble pebble]

I guess, I was thinking more like when you get a new charm notch, perhaps you get an added crest +1 to one of them

maybe all, but maybe that's too op

[chilly nexus]

na the crests are clearly designed around the positioning of their slots. # of slots 100% won't be changing for a given crest

[vivid belfry]

I'm on board with upgrading crests, it preserves progression without removing options

[nimble pebble]

^

[chilly nexus]

that's just the different crests' passive effects I think (if they have those), or a tool that's equipped. we saw a thorny reapers crest and a crown of thorns tool looking thing, so it could be either

Just to go back quickly to why tools won't take up different numbers of slots, tool power is balanced by how many uses you get out of the tool before you need to repair it, (and, to a lesser extent, how many shell shards each use requires)

A weaker red tool might give you 10 uses before a bench is required, but a strong one might be only 4 or smthn, but both would take up only 1 red slot

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps

[chilly nexus]

blue and yellow tools are a bit different though if they're not active like we assume

the main point is: crest designs don't allow for changes to the number of slots they have atm

[nimble pebble]

I’m of the belief that blue tools will be silk activated and yellow passive

[chilly nexus]

tools using up non shell shards would diminish the value of shell shards as the tool repair currency

but i do think blue tools are silk related, just not silk-costing necessarily

[nimble pebble]

The value of shell shards wouldn’t diminish simply because some tools will have passive effects

And if blue tools used silk then it would be beneficial

Keeping your shell shards locked to red tools is a great thing imo, since it’s not like soul where you can always just get more while it’s probably not a finite resource it’ll probably be harder to obtain than let’s say silk is to get in Silksong

And as far as we know right now we have a shell shard cap that’ll likely need to be increased or upgraded and since you lose some for each repair if you’re having a hard time with a boss for example you’re just going to drain your shell shards fighting them

[vivid belfry]

Also having ammo you need to farm for passive effects doesn't really make sense

Shell shards and silk basically serve the same function in different time frames and for different parts of the combat kit

[chilly nexus]

"tools using up non shell shards would diminish the value of shell shards as the tool repair currency" (I'm a lil confused where I led you to believe that tools having passive effects dimish the value of shell shards, unless costing-silk is a passive effect here). for the 2nd/3rd point: I don't think blue or yellow tools will use up shell shards at this point in time, but i do think that shell-shards will exclusively be used to replenish/use any active tools in most circumstances. for the last point: lots of games have consumables that are arguably necessary that you'll have to re-farm once you're out. e.g. you had to farm bloodborne's healing items, and it was enough of a nuissance for you to not let yourself heal when learning new boss fights so you don't waste them just to die quickly. We saw in the trailer that it took only a small number of shards to repair the red tools, so you'd have a reasonable number of attempts at something before needing to gather more. If you always had enough shards to use something you wanted to, why use it as a currency?

[chilly nexus]

i still don't get where this was implied

[vivid belfry]

Idk why were you talking about tools using things other than shell shards

[pallid flare]

that's a lot of words

[chilly nexus]

pillow proposed blue tools using up silk. i said that tools wouldn't use things outside of shell shards, not that blue tools would use shell shards

[chilly nexus]

i wasn't clear enough before so

[vivid belfry]

Pretty sure they meant blue tools affect silk and silk related abilities

[nimble pebble]

^

[chilly nexus]

silk-activated: activated by silk?

[chilly nexus]

i followed that up with^

[vivid belfry]

Anyway the part about tools not being able to fit multiple slots visually is pretty easily solvable in the same way they did it in HK: charms that take up more than one slot still only show up as one slot in the top bar, and they just prevent the usage of other slots

Or just have the tool appear duplicated in multiple Crest slots instead of making one disappear

[chilly nexus]

that'd be ugly, and choosing one slot of a few to take up, and blanking out the others would be arbitrrary. charms worked left to right, tool slots don't have an order

duplicating tools in slots is also ugly

[vivid belfry]

What's your point

[chilly nexus]

i think it's clear my point is that it would be ugly

[nimble pebble]

Who’s to say we haven’t even seen how the final version looks like yet

[vivid belfry]

Sacrificing functionality for aesthetics is not how you design games

[chilly nexus]

aesthetics and how something feels are a huge part of the user experience

[vivid belfry]

And yeah, the tool menu in general needs work

[chilly nexus]

they're gonna make it work inn a way that feels good and intuitive, not random

[nimble pebble]

Multiple crest slots would not be random

[vivid belfry]

Idk I think a 2 slot tool taking up two slots is perfectly logical

[chilly nexus]

i'm talking about the way you proposed they implement that^ By all means, maybe they'll come up with a good way to implement multi-notch tools, but atm, the methods described are obtuse, and there are other existing means of balancing tool strength. edit: in my opinion

[vivid belfry]

It's not really obtuse, it's the easiest way to communicate that A) a slot is occupied and B) one tool is occupying multiple slots

[reef scarab]

what da hornet doin

[chilly nexus]

da hornet be jiving

[nimble pebble]

[olive bobcat]

[manic zenith]

Ehhh I think one slot one tool is good enough system in my eyes, without any multi slot charm thingy

[vivid belfry]

I think having an asymmetrical numerical cost to passives is a good way to vary the strength of their effects without having to make every tool a cocktail of buffs and nerfs

The problem with the charm system isn't that the high cost charms were so good, it's that most charms fall out of utility so hard that most 2 notches are way less than half as helpful as a 3 notch like quickslash

I fully maintain that the problem with charm balance was because of individual cases, rather than structural

[marsh ibex]

hey grover can I borrow you in lore for a second

[languid linden]

Gruzzer milk.

[vivid belfry]

Can you wait until I get home? When I'm in mobile I have to restart the discord app every time I send a message

[marsh ibex]

kekw

[chilly nexus]

i never suggested that each tool would have to be a cocktail of buffs and nerfs. I suggested something similar to sekiro's prosthetic system, where more powerful prosthetics use up more currency and can be used less frequently per rest than others.

[vivid belfry]

That isn't applicable to passive tools though

[chilly nexus]

ye and that's where my ideas run out. i just think the passive ones will be balanced enough so that there's not a small number of best in slots like HK

which there were, despite the notch system like you said

[vivid belfry]

A meta is going to form non matter how much scrubbing TC does on the balance, that's just how game communities work

[brisk shale]

Does anyone know how many tools there are gonna be

[vivid belfry]

The problem with charms, again, isn't that there were strong ones, it's that they were so strong compared to lower cost or even the same cost charms, so changing the structure and making them all cost the same doesn't actually fix anything

[chilly nexus]

lots!

[nimble radish]

shaman stone was just plain better than all the four notch charms

[analog forge]

the inherent nature of red tools allows alot of wiggle room for balance.

[chilly nexus]

ye which is why a lack of notches to take into account when deciding which tools to use will not be a detriment to balance

[analog forge]

to be fair, werent all the 4 notch charms defensive?

[vivid belfry]

Soul eater is the spell feeder

[hoary prairie]

How would hornets death animation be?

[analog forge]

ah right soul eater

[nimble radish]

she explodes into soul particles

[analog forge]

screen wipe

hornet is made of screen wipes

[chilly nexus]

her assistant weaverlings quickly raise a curtain that hornet deftly dissapears from once out of view

hornet can manipulate her quantum particles like that

[hoary prairie]

So TC hasn't confirmed it yet

[nimble radish]

well theres the demo

[chilly nexus]

nothing's confirmed really, but we saw what we saw in the demo, and that's what we're believing till we see a new thihng

[pale oasis]

……..wut. I mean thk I get but hornet?

[manic zenith]

you can look up at youtube

[pale oasis]

Also isn’t her death animation already shown from the silksong demo

[pallid flare]

yes it is

[hoary prairie]

I didn't see there was a demo....

[pale oasis]

Look up “silksong demo” on YouTube. Back in 2019, the Nintendo treehouse did a good segment of showcasing silksong

Also check mossbags vid on silksong demo since that actually features the death animation

[brisk shale]

It’s just too bad you can only play the demo at events like pax or e3 i think

[pale oasis]

Yea I would’ve loved to try out the silksong demo

[brisk shale]

I’m pretty sure we will only be able to play the demo at home is whenever it’s close to releasing or something

[chilly nexus]

tons of the demo is probably obsolete right now. enemy placements and different things have likely changed, it wouldn't be representative of the quality of the final game

[pale oasis]

Yea true but it would’ve been nice to still try out hornet, even if the move set wasn’t fully refined. Well maybe we’ll get the demo from Graig years later. Idk

[brisk shale]

That is true , i feel like the moss grotto would be bigger

[olive bobcat]

rip demo remake

[pale oasis]

Omori pfp. Based

[olive bobcat]

Doughie ball

[chilly nexus]

which is 100% fair. as a fan, i also wouldn't care about how finished the demo was if it meant i got to taste hornet's style, which i'm already anticipating. but in terms of it being a demo for the purposes of being a demo (which is partly to entice new players), they'd get cheated out of a true TC experience and be less likely to try out the full game

[olive bobcat]

[pale oasis]

[brisk shale]

It also could just be labled as a test demo ,

[olive bobcat]

No

[chilly nexus]

those kinds of things are for backers of a product or investors :p you don't give test demos to the public for marketing purposes

if SS needed a beta, sure, but they have their internal testers

[robust pecan]

hey guys, any news in the last month?

[chilly nexus]

Generic (not SS specific) TC interview coming in 2-3 weeks

APWOT magazine

[pale oasis]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pale oasis]

If there’s a silksong news, you will get most likely get pinged btw.

[silver oak]

video games

amirite

[hoary prairie]

So each different kingdom has a different theme

[silver oak]

?

Define Kingdom

Like Hallownest and Pharloom

Or like Moss Grotto and Deep Docks

ANSWER ME

They're gone

[nimble pebble]

There’s also zotes Kingdom Ze’mer’s Kingdom, Iselda and Cornifers kingdom, Lemm’s kingdom

[silver oak]

I guess they weren't the gaming expert after all

[nimble pebble]

And many more

[formal karma]

who knows, maybe they're fiefdoms 😛

[surreal mortar]

My guess is that ze’mer is from Pharloom

[olive bobcat]

Fake

[silver oak]

[chilly nexus]

🫂

[nimble radish]

wait where is the grey mourner

[silver oak]

In the mask

That or she's really thin and is behind the pillar

She is 2 dimensional after all

[chilly nexus]

using that pixI from super paper mario named slim

[jolly oak]

when

[nimble pebble]

Nice

[hoary prairie]

Yea it seems Pharloom is tied with Silk and Song while Hallownest Is Tied With Soul

[silver oak]

Soul, Void, and Dreams

[hoary prairie]

Was watching mossbags vid on The demo

[formal karma]

i mean.... Hallownest is a place of liquid, what with the font of void, that's why soul is soupy. Pharloom is a place of silk, hence soul is strings, that's my take away

[hoary prairie]

Also Pharloom is more technologically advanced

And Hallownest just seems like a place of religion

[formal karma]

or at least its not broken- Hallownest may have been more advanced with the power crystals

[hoary prairie]

Who knows

[silver oak]

What would Hollow Knight's flavor text be? Like how Silksong differentiates itself from the original with "Silksong," if HK has the same thing what would it be

[formal karma]

uuuuuuuuuh, Pharloom's entire damn thing is that its a theocracy (sort of)

[silver oak]

Probably Voidsoul or Voidheart

[hoary prairie]

Hollow Knight:Soul And Dreams

[serene chasm]

Hollow Knight: You are not it

[hoary prairie]

Who knows there might be A Wyrm worm

[silver oak]

Yeah the whole point of pharloom is that they're run by a cult of mindless zealots

[hoary prairie]

Somehow Hallownest seems like a better palce to stay

Why does the RAD only target Hallownest anyway

[silver oak]

Well, if you're not trying to literally invade the kingdom and kill its inhabitants, they're probably a lot nicer to you

[formal karma]

because Hallownest is its home, and it got effed

[silver oak]

Cuz it was the moth god, and the moths live in Hallownest

[hoary prairie]

Fair point

[silver oak]

*lived

[barren roost]

there's trams, elevators, a city, large temples, mines, and statues
that's pretty advanced

[stark prism]

higher beings seem to have an effective range the size of hallownest
and also the radiance is stuck in hallownest

[hoary prairie]

So in the End the most innocent is the bad guy and we the hero become the antagonist

[hoary prairie]

Yeah but Pharloom is in the steampunk era now

[silver oak]

No, the radiance is still a bitch

And a poopoohead

[past kettle]

"You are NOT the Hollow knight" Pale King cries and runs off set as the knight dances

[hoary prairie]

But it did nothing wrong lol

[past kettle]

Thats not remotely true

[silver oak]

I would watch that show ngl

[formal karma]

uuuh it did

maybe go watch some lore videos

[silver oak]

Also Bottom Text gang

[hoary prairie]

Well The PK was the one who took all it's followers away in the first place

[past kettle]

What if thats how he picks the pute vessel

[shadow marlin]

@dusty mirage it was actually confirmed to be a sequel i think

[past kettle]

Whoop whoop

[hoary prairie]

I know RAD infected everyone

[barren roost]

...

[dusty mirage]

Really??? It looked like a prequel.. huh

[silver oak]

That is, objectively, a wrong thing

[formal karma]

it hasn't been confirmed ANYTHING

[silver oak]

This is not true

[shadow marlin]

really?

[silver oak]

Not confirmed either way

[shadow marlin]

i thought a dev said it was a sequel

[formal karma]

it might be a prequel... or a sequel, we have no idea

[hoary prairie]

Not everything but infected most of them

[formal karma]

it was a sequel as in, the next game in the franchise, they were VERY careful to clarify that

[silver oak]

Yeah the trailer says "the second game by Team Cherry"

[hoary prairie]

Think SS It's after ending 4

[formal karma]

it's not after ANY ending

[shadow marlin]

okay okay

[silver oak]

which is technically incorrect, it's their 4th

[hoary prairie]

Oh ok

[shadow marlin]

so it might be a sequel and might be a prequel

[formal karma]

"all endings are eually canon" and "we're not into true endings"

[dusty mirage]

Kinda looks like a prequel tho, but im not tryna call it

[shadow marlin]

personally i think its gonna be a chronological sequel, as hornet wouldnt need to protect hallownest as much or somehting like that?

[formal karma]

she got kidnapped anyways

[dusty mirage]

The mushroom Man ending is clearly the most cannon

[hoary prairie]

How would she get back to hallownest tho if its a prequel

[silver oak]

Yeah it's not like she chose to go to Hallownest

[formal karma]

actually.... that is confirmed true

[dusty mirage]

Hahah!

[silver oak]

Presumably there is a way out

[formal karma]

walk

[hoary prairie]

That's a long way

[formal karma]

it was a long way to get to Pharloom, what's your point? like... what?

[hoary prairie]

Nothing just saying it's a long walk back

[dusty mirage]

Well, loom does seem to be a very spider like place, could be the original home of the spiders of hollownest?

[silver oak]

It's a long distance across Hallownest

[nimble pebble]

It is indeed the most like a 17th century artillery

[silver oak]

Well the spiders and the weavers are different but essentially probably yes

[silver oak]

Wait I just got that

[hoary prairie]

Who knows, That's probably why PK could create vessels because it was close to the abyss and Pharloom is able to advance because of Silk and Song

[nimble pebble]

All Weavers are spiders but not all spiders are Weavers

[silver oak]

That's pretty good

[dusty mirage]

See what I mean? Only spiders use silk.. and there is a suspicious lack of spiders in the trailer

[hoary prairie]

Well they enslaved them all

[dusty mirage]

Oh-

[formal karma]

they were enslaved or in hiding, we're not sure

[hoary prairie]

The ones in Hallownest are probably in hiding

[olive bobcat]

The Weavers?

[hoary prairie]

Yea

[olive bobcat]

Were probably in hiding*

[hoary prairie]

The Spiders probably came from Pharloom and escaped and headed to other kigndoms

Hera was probably one of the few who escaped and breeder more

And we just all of them lol

[nimble pebble]

Nah, there were spiders in Hallownest, it's the weavers that probably came from Pharloom

[hoary prairie]

Most likely

Poor weavers

[jolly oak]

Prob there will be a option to mute hornet, cuz imagine U just want to play while watching a vid and everytime there is a SHAW

[nimble pebble]

She actually speaks you know

[olive bobcat]

Gotta wonder why the Weavers went back to Pharloom

[nimble pebble]

Just because you remember the combat lines doesn't mean she can't communicate

[hoary prairie]

They did?

[olive bobcat]

Well they're in SS aren't they

[nimble pebble]

They left after the second infection wave

And left their kids behind

[olive bobcat]

I wonder if Pharloom was peaceful when they left

[hoary prairie]

Aren't those the ones who were already there

[olive bobcat]

Weaversong states they left Hallownest iirc

[hoary prairie]

So they were most likely captured just like how Hornet was

[olive bobcat]

Yep, but they probs left on their own

[jolly oak]

I'm wondering what will be silksong dlcs.

[hoary prairie]

Yeah and got jumped in the wastelands

If That Butterfly didn't come Hornet probably would've gotten enslaved lol

[serene chasm]

Moss Deer armour

[olive bobcat]

Hallownest expansion pack for $14.99

[jolly oak]

Pog

[hoary prairie]

So SS won't solve missing Lore In HK

[jolly oak]

It will be very cool! Imagine if they do a game about Hallownest too!

[olive bobcat]

Unless it's related to Hornet, probably not

[hoary prairie]

Damn they could even change the theme up a bit like maybe use soul instead of silk

[jolly oak]

Yeah, and the main character dont say anything, it would be more silent

[hoary prairie]

And the game would be more slow paced you know instead of fast combat

[jolly oak]

Yeah, and we could kill shiny moths

Killing shiny moths would be very pog

[hoary prairie]

Indeed

They could even explain where Hornet comes from

[jolly oak]

Yeah, and they could even make a epic guy named Zote

[hoary prairie]

Yeah and Maybe A King who commits Child murder

[jolly oak]

Its cool how all my messages now are starting with "Yeah,"

[nimble pebble]

TC has expressed wanting to take a break from the HK franchise for a bit and not get boxed into making exclusively HK games So post SS we'll likely see a new IP

[jolly oak]

Prob GTA 6 gonna release before silksong

[serene chasm]

So a game about Henry the 8th?

[nimble pebble]

I also don't want the name of HK to get milked dry and lose meaning because they lack ideas there and have ideas elsewhere

[nimble pebble]

Well if the Leth man says Crowsworn which is slated to come out Dec 2023 comes out after SS then I think there's hope

[hoary prairie]

No clue who that is tbh

[jolly oak]

I've seen a man that said it releases in the first semester of 2022

[nimble pebble]

Possibly but who can be certain

[lyric drift]

Any rumors floating around?

[hoary prairie]

Nope

[lyric drift]

Sad

[nimble pebble]

Also in business we use quarters like Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4

[serene chasm]

SS comes out Q5

[hoary prairie]

Question: If No HK ending is canon what ending will SS follow if it's a sequel

[serene chasm]

yes

[hoary prairie]

Best answer

[olive bobcat]

They're all canon

[hoary prairie]

But which one will SS follow

[olive bobcat]

And it can follow all of them

[hoary prairie]

Since yknow SL and HK

[serene chasm]

They will likely leave it vague so the player can decide which one is canon

[warm bone]

like how dark souls does

it just does not elaborate and does it anyway

[olive bobcat]

What Curly said
All HK endings work with SS, so there's no need to specify

[hoary prairie]

Basically we create the lore

[haughty brook]

If there are future HK games (if there are any, mind you, just a scenario) I would like to see being structured as a sort of "pulp" structure rather than a super hard on continuity, each game being self contained while having obviously a shared world and worldbuilding elements but not being superintrusive with each other, if you know what I meant.

[hoary prairie]

How will TC even create a game after SS

There's no unique other character tied with the PK

[olive bobcat]

Same way they made SS

[serene chasm]

With unity

[olive bobcat]

Don't have to be

[hoary prairie]

Then who?

[olive bobcat]

Important characters

[serene chasm]

They plan to move on from HK after SS

[hoary prairie]

Ah ok that would make sense

[olive bobcat]

Quirrel isn't related to the PK but people want a game with him

[nimble pebble]

Dung Defender game would be nice

[hoary prairie]

Just doesn't feel right

[olive bobcat]

SS doesn't even seem to have much to do with Hornet's PK lineage besides using soul

(Of course we don't know too much yet, but from what we've seen)

[serene chasm]

crpg where you play as the great knights during their prime

[vivid belfry]

Hornet doesn't even have anything to do with hornet's PK lineage

[nimble pebble]

SS has to do with Hornet getting kidnapped and us beating the shit out of everyone to get out

[errant orchid]

hornet hasn't been shown to use soul has she?

[hoary prairie]

Idk it just doesn't feel right playing as anyone else apart from the main 3(THK,TK,hornet)

[olive bobcat]

Who's the third

[vivid belfry]

Hornet Silk is just diet soul

[wind cave]

zote

[olive bobcat]

Ok we're never playing as The Hollow Knight

[haughty brook]

A CRPG game set in HK world would be nice, but with other characters because it would be nice to explore other stories in the world but thats just me.

[hoary prairie]

Just doesn't feel right if its not them

[hoary prairie]

Who knows

[marsh ibex]

Well her silk and soul are inseparably bound, so not a diet version

[vivid belfry]

What the hell is a crpg

[marsh ibex]

More like

margarine?

[olive bobcat]

Tbh I feel like Quirrel is more "main three" than THK

Just because more interactions

[formal karma]

yea THK is basically nothing

[hoary prairie]

Yeah but Quirrel is dead and is just feels less important

[vivid belfry]

57 precepts would like to know your location

[errant orchid]

quirrel game would be hype playing through scenarios from the times of the comic

[marsh ibex]

Also to be honest

[olive bobcat]

THK is basically dead too what are you on about

[marsh ibex]

there’s no more interesting adventures with PK’s kids

[hoary prairie]

Idk But Just doesn't feel right to me

[formal karma]

hOrNeT

[marsh ibex]

like yeah silksong but after that

[olive bobcat]

What's next, Lace, Hornet, and Silksong as the main three?

[hoary prairie]

Probably a good idea to move away from HK after SS

[formal karma]

ewwww lace

[haughty brook]

I don't feel much for a Quirrel prequel game because I don't see much to explore of him. I think he is just too overhyped like Solaire from Dark Souls (don't kill me).

[hoary prairie]

Yeah there's nothing to explore of him except his past

[errant orchid]

new HK games are very unlikely after SS

[hoary prairie]

But will they be making Metroidvania games

[formal karma]

i think they said something like a top-down zelda game would be doable

[errant orchid]

no one knows lets just hope they keep making good games

[formal karma]

buuuut that was years ago

[hoary prairie]

Agreed

[nocturne viper]

shaw

[marsh pike]

A top-down adventure game would be pretty cool tbh

[pliant jolt]

😦

[primal oriole]

TC has said that their next game won't have an player character with a sword, so, FPS about a fox that picks up a shotgun

[manic zenith]

no sword
then hammer it is

or maybe fists

or maybe
or maybe....

[haughty brook]

Axe?

Also, I think the Fearless Fox is a placeholder name, don't you think the same?

[primal oriole]

that's the name of the IP they own, so it being a placeholder would be weird, I think

I'm not exactly sure how it works but I feel like it has to be the actual name you're using

[haughty brook]

Fair enough.

[marsh pike]

yeah

[nimble pebble]

I think it's a new IP

Pretty sure it is actually

[pliant jolt]

I'm praying for more SS news soon.

[spark mist]

Its not gonna happen silksong isn't real

[nimble radish]

good one, never heard that one before

[barren roost]

I audibly giggled after seeing that, bravo

[marsh pike]

What an original and inspiring meme, I was laughing for 15 minutes straight. That deserves a pat on the back.

[hollow sedge]

its been almost 7 months now

[undone nova]

tomorrow calling it

[tawdry palm]

So i beat OMORI, feel dead inside now

HOWEVER, i no longer suffer from HK franchise withdrawls

[hollow sedge]

a development update would be quite nice

[tawdry palm]

ehh give it some time and youll get over it. Worked for me, though took 8 months

Was hilarious the whole time as people desperatly told me that it "totally wouldnt be that much longer"

[jolly silo]

i say in 2 weeks

[nimble pebble]

Ngl playing other stuff helps the SS wait a lot

[hollow sedge]

im over it as well i really dont care, they can take as long as they want lol

i didnt even read the Edge magazine

[marsh pike]

I say on 4/20/69

[hollow sedge]

i think the reason why TC hasn't shown a development update is because the next time they show the game it'll be for the release trailer

[nimble pebble]

"We're still working on the game"

Is literally the only reason they haven't said anything

They have nothing to say

[hollow sedge]

ig

[marsh pike]

you're probably right

I mean how much did we really know about hk before the release trailer?

[hollow sedge]

more than silksong, probably because of the kickstarter

[marsh pike]

yeah, you're right

and I mean don't y'all wanna go in blind?

[tawdry palm]

I can assure you they have a fuck ton of stuff to say lol, its just that itd take too much time to say it

If they dont have anything to say, then they either dont care about the product, or somethings gone critically wrong

[hollow sedge]

eh completely blind wont make a difference for me, as long as i dont get major spoilers

[tawdry palm]

Hence why the edge mag had so much information in it, they had stuff to sayu

[marsh pike]

imagine they get pestered so much that they say "screw it" and spoil the whole game for everyone. that would be kinda lame lol

(which they wouldn't, but still)

[nimble pebble]

I can assure you they don't have much to say, the games being worked on that's it, they don't want to bother with every minor detail and would rather work on the game of which they are doing

[marsh pike]

the less reveals they have to worry about, the more they can work on the game, right..?

[tawdry palm]

Im not sure what your implying, whats in the other devblogs if not stuff to say?

[hollow sedge]

well i think they have stuff to say but wont because they want it to be a surprise

[tawdry palm]

I agree that they dont need to make blogs, but its not because of a lack of stuff to talk about

[nimble pebble]

[tawdry palm]

:carmelitasigh:

[nimble pebble]

Do you know how old those dev blogs are

[chilly nexus]

can i be real with y'all

[marsh pike]

go for it

[tawdry palm]

Which ones, the regular ones they did during the entrety of HK's development, or the ones they did for a year or two during silksongs development

[chilly nexus]

there's something that bothers me immensely about the crowsworn kickstarter page

and it's this:

[tawdry palm]

unironically i agree, something off

i think its the overuse of bolded lettering

But the info and stuff is fine

[chilly nexus]

they describe the village as: "A small dilapidated village".... small.... dilapidated is a very descriptive word, and should be used on its own as an adjective in almost every case. to put SMALL before it makes it read like you just discovered and like the word dilapidated. ||I'm half kidding but not really||

[nimble pebble]

Having stuff to say then and now is different, They're just working hard on finishing the game and don't want to bother with an update every 5 minutes

[nimble pebble]

[shy stirrup]

What day does apwot release

[hollow sedge]

I mean they started out giving somewhat consistent updates, I don't see how giving a update every 6 months is bad

[nimble pebble]

It isn't

[chilly nexus]

legit i'm like WHY put small before it. just use dilapidated on its own, you're making yourself look bad

[nimble pebble]

But I don't see why it's so hard to understand that maybe TC doesn't currently have something to say

[tawdry palm]

leth was talking about them still bringing up new ideas during meetups, during his crowsworn combo interview, in addition we've seen more assets in each photo release weve seen, theyre still making stuff up to at least a fairly recent point

[chilly nexus]

i don't know what to expect from SS at all tbh in terms of scope, so have stopped expecting. the game might seriously be 2023 or smthn

[nimble pebble]

Like what do you want? "pixel 5272 is done tune in tomorrow fo pixel 52823"?

[hollow sedge]

i mean yeah, thats why theres no update

[chilly nexus]

i just want to tell the crowsworn people to remove "small"

[tawdry palm]

dont pretend to be stupid plz

[nimble pebble]

Ok but like, I don't plan to learn SS's entire plot from updates

[tawdry palm]

Neither do i lol

[chilly nexus]

you'll learn the whole plot soon enough

vod pending

[nimble pebble]

Then if TC has nothing to say it's likely because they don't need to or don't want to

[hollow sedge]

they didnt reveal much for the blogposts, the December 2019 one didn't spill anything major

[fierce star]

Cant wait for hungry knight 3

[tawdry palm]

yea, then they revealed like, 4 times as much stuff as we knew total in the edge magazine to dunk on us

[tribal schooner]

hello my fellow hollowknight enthusiasts. whats happening

[chilly nexus]

Leth (i hope this doesn't actually @ him) pls tell the crowsworn folks to remove the word small! just make it dilapidated

[fierce star]

Lmfao

[tawdry palm]

lmfao

[chilly nexus]

it auto atted the top of the list eprson

[hollow sedge]

i never read the Edge magazine so i wouldn't know

[marsh pike]

do you really want them to reveal every character and their role in the story before the game even releases?

[nimble pebble]

I think we've been given plenty already, I'd like if most remains unknown so we can experience it without knowing everything We already know like 14 bosses and 7-10 areas, that's a lot of info

[tawdry palm]

I wonder who your asking

[hollow sedge]

nah, i just wanna know how development is going

[tawdry palm]

totally man

[barren roost]

hungry knight 2? when was that released? I knew being cheap on the crowsworn kickstarter was a good idea! (joke I have no money I would have if I could have I swear)

[chilly nexus]

i think the areas in SS will be smaller than the ones in HK, with mmuch more "evolutions" of areas/sub-areas

[marsh pike]

if you got to ask them in person, they'd probably just say "smoothly" or smth lol

[chilly nexus]

like instead of a large moss grotto akin to greenpath, we'd get moss grotto, the clover place, and the leaf place all together that's a bit larger than greenpath

[tawdry palm]

Its ironic, because i apparently disagree with everyone, i personally think edge was a mistake, but i also think a devblog was needed, up untill like, 4 months ago when it became clear they had given up on that front and it would be better to just wait it out

[marsh pike]

honestly most people in the hk community that're constantly hoping for ss news

[nimble pebble]

I would say large overall

[chilly nexus]

if SS isn't 2021 i'm also ambivalent about edge being released so soon. outside of 2019's blogpost they've never alluded to the game being far-ish out, which we needed to hear

[nimble pebble]

That's because they've never had to actually actively wait for a game to come out and demand news every 5 seconds

[chilly nexus]

needed to hear because of substantial prior evidence pointing to it being a near release*

[tribal schooner]

i feel like we will see few truely different biomes but like you say they will have sub areas that give diversity. best HK example i can think of is how technically mantis village is in fuming waste but still pretty different aesthetically and mechanically

[tawdry palm]

you can tell a sizable portion of the fanbase is in the tweens, however this has never been as much of a problem as people here present it as

[marsh pike]

the fact that you unironically speak nothing but truth here kind of scares me

[celest vigil]

To fill my empty void of metroid games, what are some other games that I can consume before silksong comes out

[tribal schooner]

do we really have that much of our fanbase in tween age. the game has a kinda high skill ceiling and pretty complex lore. i mean HK is still fun of course but its not really a game alot of tween would be picking up is it?

[marsh pike]

uhhhhhh....... potentially Metroid Dread if that comes out first

[fierce star]

@ team cherry hurry up and give us news on hungry knight 3: silksong 😨

[fierce star]

Youd be surprised lmao

[marsh pike]

idk you tell me

[celest vigil]

hungry knight>silksong

[chilly nexus]

I brought this up yesterday, but the reason it's a unique issue with SS is that, unlike elden ring which got a reveal and then went silence until its release date, giving its audience no reason to believe it'd be their's in a matter of weeks, SS had frequent bouts of info that alluded to it being near completion since 2019. First was the infamous nintendo blip, then was ari and will themselves saying the game was spilling into extra content, and that was all from 2019

[tawdry palm]

A massive number of the fanbase have never played the game, fewer have beaten it

[tribal schooner]

i mean im in my early twenties but what do i know. i just play the game for fun between studies and work

[marsh pike]

heyyy, I'm a minority :D

[celest vigil]

oh

[chilly nexus]

it hasn't been a normal "waiting". It's been a constant edge of your seat/next-few-weeks-maybe? sort of wait

[tawdry palm]

A number of content creators havent played either, ive seen fan artists and fanfic writers say that they have no idea what the games actually like and theyre just working on second hand info

[chilly nexus]

i'm not trying to justify ppl's behaviours, cuz no one's entitled to anything, but just pointing out how the SS wait is unique to other waits

[marsh pike]

idk I just want Splatoon 3, Metroid Dread and BotW2 tbh

[tribal schooner]

how can they be a part of the fanbase if they haven even played it?

[marsh pike]

ask the fnaf community

[tawdry palm]

exactly why i was in the "give more updates" group for so long, i always belived they were nearing a milestone, so it was annoying they were witholding news seemingly arbitrary, now in days i just dont care

[tawdry palm]

By liking the charecters and supporting the fan creators

[chilly nexus]

those are normal waits. i.e. are you believing any will come out in the next few weeks? no

the 20 year monkey ball remake wait i had was a normal wait :p or semi normal at least, def not healthy

[marsh pike]

yeah I know, I've decided I'll try my hardest not to care unless there's already a release date just to not let myself down

[tribal schooner]

i see. thats weird for me to consider. but video games is probably my favorite consumable content or pastime. i like doing stuff outside much more but if i have to pick an activity in my house it will probs be games. i digress. i mean to say that its weird to me that so many like just the characters. that being said tho, if they havent played HK why would they be so eager for silksong?

[chilly nexus]

ye, ss puts the player in the unique position where they have to manage their own hope. which can be unpleasant, cuz everyone likes hope, and no one likes bringing themselves down seemingly arbitrarily, but it's that or constantly get hopes up and constantly drop em a lil

[marsh pike]

I mean I was on the E3 hype train as much as anyone else, but just for Nintendo stuff tbh lol

[chilly nexus]

that's what the younger ppl struggle w a bit, cuz it can def be unpleasant (but also, i think most younger people don't pay this much attention to ss. i think it's normal ppl who just aren't used to managing expectations)

[tawdry palm]

its more normal to me since i play rainworld and no one likes it but they love the charecter designs 😦

[marsh pike]

probs bc they already knew hk's story before playing, so decided it somehow wasn't worth the insanely good deal of $15

[chilly nexus]

i've been debating picking that one up actually! (rainworld)

[tawdry palm]

rainworld, omori, freespace 2 (incredible modding tools), and HK are my top rated games

[tribal schooner]

I feel like one needs to know how to have healthy excitement is all. I will get a hype train going for a direct or e3 cause i would love to see is not because i demand it or feel entitled to it. so at the end of the day if its there things are great if its not then i still have alot to be grateful for and a game im hyped for to look forward to still

[tawdry palm]

riiiiip, look at that completion percent

[tawdry palm]

Thats almost certainly healthier then half the people here lol

[tribal schooner]

they be missing out. the story is great but i would not have cared if it wasnt so drawn in by the gameplay

[tawdry palm]

jesus the alt-path completiopn is low

[chilly nexus]

ya like when edge speculation was happening, i was 100% on board with it cuz it all made sense and the time felt sorta right, i wasn't cynical about it arbitrarily. and i was big on this year's e3 hype :p

[nimble pebble]

I've not given a fuck about when SS releases since summer of last year I've just been vibin playing games watching anime and cartoons as well as youtube reading manga etc

SS releases when it does, that's my mind set at this point

[chilly nexus]

at the same time, i ahve a ton of respect for TC to be taking all the time they need to make and perfect SS. time put in for sure has diminishing returns when it comes to sales, and they're putting an accurate realization of their vision and the best possible experience for us over maximizing profit. every hour extra worked is effectively a reduction in their salary

[tribal schooner]

well and when some people get on here and bash on the hopeful people im so confused. let people get excited at the prospect of possibilities. or when someone says. "what if shadelord or someone is in SS" and the same people bashing on hopefuls jump on and say no thats impossible as if they are developers. the wonderful part of the lore of hollowknight is that it give plenty of space for the devs to decide whatever they want. so im just tired of people shooting down others hopes just cause they disagree or even just dont dare hope for anything.

[tawdry palm]

theyre set for life if theyve played their investments right, i wouldnt worry about sales

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[tawdry palm]

#hk-lore really bothers me for this

Im guilty of it myself, but theyre on another level

[chilly nexus]

I ❤️ reactted but also have to digress cuz i just shut something down today for being unintuitive

[tribal schooner]

i like TC because there work is a passion project it unavoidable determines a beautiful game

[chilly nexus]

i get passionate about aesthetics and how things feel

[nimble pebble]

SS is its own story with its own characters and is standalone, why should it pander to the first game

[hoary prairie]

SS probably has no connection whatsoever to HK

[nimble pebble]

Most likely

[hoary prairie]

Since Yknow new kingdom and stuff

Yay more missing lore

[hoary prairie]

Hopefully we don't see Another CDPR

[tawdry palm]

Im very excited to see if they include any references to hallownest, just in the petty hope of spiting some very opinionated people on this forum

[serene chasm]

TC is too small and not a publicly trade company

[tawdry palm]

your new nicknames killin me curly

[hoary prairie]

I know it's just.... The praises give me flashbacks to comments on CDPR videos

[serene chasm]

Oh no. Now Im gonna get arrested for murder

[olive bobcat]

Me to Curly when it's July

[nimble pebble]

The only references to Hallownest will be the ones relating to hornet since it's her story

[tribal schooner]

let me clearify a little tho. you can state your opinion but people need to remember that the opinion of possibilities are equally valid until the game is our hands and we see it. in todays day in age people feel that if they disagree they must defend their opinion as facts. this defensive attitude toward life leaves little room to appreciate one of the best parts of humanity and that is our diversity. to put it short we need to be respectful of one anothers agency(ones inherent ability to choose) by letting them be without a fight. if we can respect their agency that also validate our own because if they can be respected that mean we too have that same right ot think as we choose. that means everyone is happy

[tawdry palm]

||your on the list ||

[echo raven]

Seems like we might have a few more paragraphs incoming.

[hoary prairie]

I agree but there's a hole in your problem. We're humans, we make mistakes, we're arrogant creatures

So we'll never learn from history

Nor are we gonna change because it's our natur

[echo raven]

Speak for yourself.

[hoary prairie]

Also because there's 7 billion people on earth and it's impossible to change them all

[nimble pebble]

Pro tip of you want to be a game dev one day, if you make a multi-game franchise littering your sequels with references to previous titles is a bad idea and can lead to inconsistent writing and terrible world building, the only reason people here shut down the notion of let's say Grimm Troupe showing up in Pharloom is because it wouldn't make any sense, The Grimm Troupe travels to dead kingdoms and Pharloom isn't dead not as of yet anyway

I think nod offs to other titles is fun and great but blatant inconsistencies are bad

[olive bobcat]

Did this all start with "Imagine if we saw Grimm in Silksong"

[nimble pebble]

Nah

[echo raven]

Would be pretty cool, NGL.

[tawdry palm]

It was in reference to those posts, but without BEING one of those posts

[echo raven]

I just got here, so I have little idea what's going on.

[olive bobcat]

Yeah same

[nimble pebble]

Someone was trying to defend the notion that inconsistent characters showing up in SS is fine and people shouldn't bash it

[olive bobcat]

imo it'd be cool if it happened, but it's also unlikely to happen

[echo raven]

Good to see this channel is still on it's slow descent into insanity though. At least that's remained the same.

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[olive bobcat]

Well of course Emilitia is gonna show up, she's my favorite HK character after all

[nimble pebble]

[serene chasm]

Is she still going to be sitting and laughing at everyone

[nimble pebble]

While it's unlikely Zote showing up in Pharloom isn't inherently bad but the people who think Zote's home kingdom is Pharloom and that's their reasoning for him showing up is rather lazy and terrible world building

[olive bobcat]

"You think this is bad?"

Emilitia shows up as that one character to randomly be an asshole to Hornet and hurt her self esteem

[hoary prairie]

The only one who could show up is probably cornifer because he travels a lot

[nimble pebble]

"Oh what's that? a character is from another place not the one I'm currently in? Let's just conveniently make it the next place we go in a game"

[serene chasm]

New fake idea. You know that "New towns" shot with sleeping sherma? You should put Emelitia in there

[nimble pebble]

I mean, Mr mushroom is actually pretty likely

[olive bobcat]

I could, but instead imma put Ai Ohto there

[echo raven]

I thought TC said something about Mr. Mushroom making an appearance in every future game.

[hoary prairie]

Lol

[marsh pike]

I like how they barely used Emelitia for anything (like a lot of characters, looking at you Willoh)

[hoary prairie]

Isn't he binded to the ground

[echo raven]

He can fly.

[hoary prairie]

Wodner egg Ep13 tho was epic fail

[nimble pebble]

Did you not get the Mr mushroom ending?

[hoary prairie]

Nope not yet

[nimble pebble]

He can fly

[hoary prairie]

.....what

I have many questions

For example how tf can he fly

[echo raven]

He is very skilled.

[nimble pebble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7PKYYNbLY

[marsh pike]

shooting spores out of his rear, idk

[olive bobcat]

I still haven't watched the last episode of Wonder Egg

[hoary prairie]

Amd how do get this ending

[serene chasm]

Dont question Mr. Mushroom

[nimble pebble]

You also see him blast off

[olive bobcat]

When It Blooms is a certified banger tho

[hoary prairie]

It's.... Something that's for sure

[olive bobcat]

Wonder Egg was always something

[hoary prairie]

You'll probably be disappointed do don't watch it

[nimble pebble]

Ngl idk what that guy was going on earlier, I'd be cool with it if people had reasonable characters to return in SS but like people will be like "But What if Bretta came to Silksong"

[olive bobcat]

Yeah but what if Bretta came to Silksong

[nimble pebble]

[hoary prairie]

Guys guys.... What if Elderbug makes an appearance

[shy stirrup]

Nah

[wet moss]

Ok hear me out
Dung defender in silksong

[nimble pebble]

Based

[hoary prairie]

Yes

[nimble pebble]

Nah, Fuck that, Dung Defender in his own game

[hoary prairie]

What if PK was the ruler of Pharloom all along!!! /J

[olive bobcat]

(fake clearly)

[hoary prairie]

What's that

[olive bobcat]

A fake

[wet moss]

Would be perfect if there wasn’t a dead guard in the corner