sk-discussion

[shy stirrup]

I hope ss doesn’t make tailing missions boring

[cunning geode]

those are pretty different statements

[hollow terrace]

Gather 10 moss berries

[formal karma]

7/10 too much water

[hollow terrace]

and play one game of league of legends

those will be your missions in silksong

[cunning geode]

dude Window

come on man

when we gonna play

[formal karma]

but i mean there's a mission to mess up some pilgrims outside a guy's house, that seems perfectly in line with simply existing in a game world and having fun,,,,

[hollow terrace]

Im happy to play anytime, we just need joker

[cunning geode]

DAMN IT

you may as well have said "no"

[shy stirrup]

Doesn’t simo play test for Tc

[cunning geode]

Simo and Benji, yes

[shy stirrup]

Jealous

[formal karma]

i'm not, i'll take my full silksong whenever....

[cunning geode]

yeah ive talked about that before

playtesters get to see the worst of the game

so that we dont

[formal karma]

not all heroes wear capes

[hollow terrace]

Nah uh my game was full of bugs when it was released 😠

[cunning geode]

yo...

[hollow terrace]

playtesters bad for not squashing ALL the technical bugs

[stiff burrow]

How DARE a small group of people find less bugs than a million buyers amirite

[marsh ibex]

I hate you

[grim forge]

[random swift]

Bimonthly check to see if there’s a SS release date yet. Disappointment levels maintained. Cya in October.

[fleet temple]

[shy stirrup]

U mean September?

[random swift]

Oh.. I thought it was August already. Ok cya in September!

[warped umbra]

playtesters are literally forced to play the game from start to finish multiple times, as from what benji told me, apparently its quite painful

over and over again spotting out any bugs or thingies

[sterile sleet]

People could always play other metroidvanias to fill the waiting period if they're gonna ask all the time about news.

[warped umbra]

and im pretty sure they have to 100% it every time too

[stiff burrow]

Did they actually say they played it from start to finish to test it before?
Cause in that case that'd mean they are done with adding things to the main story, right? I'm asking if this gives any hint to how far along the game is or if it was a general explanation

[warped umbra]

start to finish meaning the start till whatever of the game is done, not the ending of the story necessarily

[stiff burrow]

Ohh that makes more sense

[warped umbra]

no one knows how far silksong is done and no one will know lol, unless you're benji, graig or simo

and also this was the procedure they took for hk iirc, so i dont know if you can safely apply it for ss too

[stiff burrow]

Aight. I was just grasping at straws again, like usual.

[jovial plover]

Why is #sk-discussion in the hollow knight category of channels

[vivid belfry]

hollow knight: silksong

[jovial plover]

It’s silksong not hollow knight

[jovial plover]

Shut

[fleet temple]

but it's still a hollow knight game

[jovial plover]

Joke is dead

[fleet temple]

which one, silknever or the one you just said?

[nimble pebble]

[jovial plover]

The one I just said

[barren roost]

the sequel to hollow knight

[vivid belfry]

Fuck metroidvanias

everybody start grinding runescape levels and give me your accounts

[nimble pebble]

But the soon to be hit game Crowsworn is a metroidvania

[fleet temple]

have you guys heard of the upcoming sequel to hollow knight called silksong?

[vivid belfry]

no, I hate videogames and never play them

[tribal merlin]

same. I just buy them and let them sit in my steam library

[vivid belfry]

mhm, I think the SJW indie gaming scene is going to destroy western civilization as we know it, and I only give them all my money because I'm an accelerationist

[serene chasm]

I feel personally attacked

[fallow solar]

When this year started I was confident that we’d get something in July but I’m always wrong

[primal kiln]

I too do grind to death

[vivid belfry]

July's not over yet

[primal kiln]

Especially in MMORPGs where the grinding is endless

[fallow solar]

it is to me

[vivid belfry]

also wasn't Edge this year

[primal kiln]

What is edge?

[charred pulsar]

Edge was technically 31st Dec 2020 right?

[serene chasm]

yes

[vivid belfry]

well the actual magazine came out this year

[fleet temple]

apwot

[serene chasm]

came out around 11 am Queen time

[fleet temple]

metroid dread is just copying hollow knight

[charred pulsar]

8:30pm for us in Aus, I remember NYE plans had Edge's release and announcement in mind

Good way to send off the year

[fallow solar]

Hollow Knight fans when they realize Silksong is a rip-off of hollow knight:

[primal kiln]

In that logic, itself hollow knight is a ripoff bcuz it is a metroidvania lol

[coarse leaf]

hey, when silksong (hopefully) comes out, will they make a seperate server for that?
or will this server be for both hk and ss

[primal kiln]

But then, Hollow knight seem already peaked the possible level of gameplay in a metroidvania game
Except it just lacks minor things

Like platforming

[vivid belfry]

HK platforming is fantastic wym

[primal kiln]

Well I don't like how the majority of platforming is located inside one place

Platforming should be spread evenly through Hallownest

[vivid belfry]

that is true, and I'm glad SS is introducing more complex platforming challenges earlier in the game

[fleet temple]

i think it will be the same server but with different channels for example ss lore, ss offtopic

[nimble pebble]

agreed

[tribal schooner]

i think he mean that we didnt see alot of consentrated platforming. it was kinda disguised in exploration

[vivid belfry]

didn't the crowsworn devs explicitly say they took inspiration from HK though

not that there's anything wrong with that

[coarse leaf]

well if so i know which channels im avoiding for the time being
if they do that

[fallow solar]

No they said they hadn’t know about hollow knight

[primal kiln]

Nowadays, people barely see a difference between copying and inspiring

[fallow solar]

Like at all

[serene chasm]

they did

[tribal merlin]

there were a lot of smaller platforming challenges spread throughout hk and in addition to WP there's also QG that has more platforming

[primal kiln]

That is a bit bullshit but then I haven't seen a trailer

[serene chasm]

Explore a grim fantasy world inhabited by men and monsters alike in this action-packed Metroidvania inspired by Hollow Knight, Bloodborne, and Devil May Cry!

[haughty brook]

I don't mind if you get heavily inspired by something, but you must have your own spin or something to stand out just so people don't see it as a cheap copy.

[vivid belfry]

alternatively, go ahead and be a cheap copy as long as it's good

[vestal wagon]

At least they credit a thing when they make their thing, unlike other things cough cough zelda gacha thing cough cough

[coarse leaf]

hollow knight fans when people are inspired by the game
"it must be a cheap copy!!1!!!1!!!"

[nimble pebble]

I might pledge $20 to crowsworn just to have it auto download into my steam library

[vivid belfry]

I haven't seen anybody bashing crowsworn in this server

[tribal schooner]

i feel like crowsworn has enough that is different. even the focus of their gameplay is very different

[vivid belfry]

it's always been "wow this game looks like a hollow knight ripoff, fucking awesome"

it's hollow knight with guns

[tribal merlin]

well if you have a twitter account that's on you

[fallow solar]

I hope crowsworn is on switch man

[haughty brook]

I really hope one day TC makes a kickstarter for a possible new IP just to see the fan community contributing their own ideas.

[nimble pebble]

I see it as objectively good thing

[vestal wagon]

What does it have from DMC (besides guns)? If it's a good deal of stuff I might consider playing it if I get a pc.

[haughty brook]

I can't see jack squad.

[coarse leaf]

not even halfway and its like 325k
i wonder how much money this kickstarter is gonna make
its been 2 days jfc

[vestal wagon]

Bro play dmc

[tribal schooner]

they said that they are focusing on the cool factor. there are a number of ways to use the combat but they are explicitly designing so that you might choose one over another just cause it feels cool to do

[fallow solar]

Wait what

Is it confirmed??

[vestal wagon]

Shit slams

[fallow solar]

heck yeah, something to look forward to!!

[vestal wagon]

Except DMC 2. DMC 2 AIN'T it.

[primal kiln]

Hollow knight with guns?!

[coarse leaf]

bro the new fortnite update look awesome!!

[vestal wagon]

Any time I see plague doctors in the modern world I find it funny

[primal kiln]

Screw Silksong!
Screw Hollow Point!
I am going to buy crowsworn!

[coarse leaf]

agree
the doctor guys looks dope

[vivid belfry]

forgetting about silksong is easy, just keep replaying subnautica BZ

[nimble pebble]

Both are too be looked forward to

[vestal wagon]

Played it, whack

[vivid belfry]

then play monolith

[timber hamlet]

i bought BZ and completely forgot about it

[vestal wagon]

Too much land 7/10

[tribal schooner]

i havent seen this chat this alive in so long and we arent even talking about silksong

[vivid belfry]

Land segments are fun if you use prawn suit grapple

[serene chasm]

I find hitting my head with a ham...what are we talking about?

[vivid belfry]

bitchass worm didn't even see where I went

[timber hamlet]

where the hell is the phi robotics base

[nimble pebble]

Silksong is temporary Crowsworn is eternal

[tribal schooner]

i play alot of apex for now. i hadnt played really any fps games so i tried it. its not bad if you are looking for something cheap and entertaining. as long as you dont mind losing all the time

[vestal wagon]

Nobody plays BR games if they mind losing all the time.

[tribal schooner]

But TC is eternal. they will make amazing games for eons to come never disappointing

[nimble pebble]

I hate BR games

[nimble pebble]

agree

[vivid belfry]

I hate BFC games

big fucking chungus

[serene chasm]

YSG games are the worst

[vestal wagon]

I hats warzone specifically. The others aren't that bad

[vivid belfry]

got em

[nimble pebble]

The cad isn't inflated it's just not worth more than USD and tbh we have you to thank cause any fuck ups you make to the economy we also feel so we have you to thank for the tank of our dollar

[vivid belfry]

that's a good emote

[nimble pebble]

tbh it's still a pretty high currency, just not above usd

Cad is only really below Usd, Euro and pounds

[haughty brook]

So, seriously speaking, do you think Silksong will release before Crowsworn?

[tribal merlin]

maybe

depends on how crazy the CS devs are

if they're as crazy as TC then yeah it'll release before CS

[tribal schooner]

id would bet alot that ss comes out this year and therefore before CS

[errant orchid]

yeah CS's release is TBD but SK's is TBA

[tribal merlin]

you'd be likely to lose a lot then

[nimble pebble]

Well, Leth is working on CS as well as the marketing guy

[tribal merlin]

there's basically only a slim chance SS releases this year

[tribal schooner]

and btw im hyped to see art for fearless fox. im curious how that will look

[nimble pebble]

And supposedly he says CS is aiming for Dec 2023 and that SS will probably be out before then

[errant orchid]

yeah if fearless fox is actually going to be a game sounds cool

[tribal schooner]

do you think TC will use alliteration for all the names of their games from now on?

[nimble pebble]

SS for 2022

idk

[tribal schooner]

says who?

[errant orchid]

SS doesn't have a set year probably mid 2022 but fingers cross this december

[silver oak]

"Hollow Knight"

[nimble pebble]

ye

[tribal merlin]

says I

[tribal schooner]

i mean from now on meaning after ss

[silver oak]

There are 2 examples, far from enough data to guess a future trend

[tribal schooner]

oh than i have nothing to worry about , unless ....... ari?!

[silver oak]

Plus we don't even know if the name will actually be Fearless Fox

[errant orchid]

sadly i think SS will be the last HK game

[silver oak]

Could easily be a placeholder name

[tribal schooner]

fair point. that would be an interesting trend to say the least

[errant orchid]

fair point but why would they trademark a placeholder

[silver oak]

I don't really want them to squeeze a third game out of it if they don't already have a direction for it

[errant orchid]

ye but like more HK content

[nimble pebble]

it will be, at least for now, TC has expressed wanting to expand their horrizons in terms of game genres but nothing is stopping them from returnning later

[silver oak]

I think they only made Silksong because they had playable Hornet already promised

[errant orchid]

Yeah TC has said many times that they want to make new worlds and not get trapped in HK

[nimble pebble]

SS has been in development as SS since work on the DLC's started, when it was a side project

[errant orchid]

yeah probably just sketches and mechanic ideas since they already have a game in the owrks

[cunning geode]

the community at large has not experienced Silksong, you don’t need to feel sad over “the end of HK” when we haven’t even played the second game

[tribal schooner]

not much thats for sure

[marsh ibex]

I mean we have experienced it already

[cunning geode]

have you?

[errant orchid]

i just hope i won't have grind a hunter's journal type thing again

[cunning geode]

Or is this a jape

[hollow terrace]

nah feel sad about the end of hk series

[silver oak]

What I bet happened was they thought, "hey, we can add the Boneforest back in with the Hornet dlc!" and then they wanted to add a few more areas to compliment it and eventually they were like "fuck it's too big"

[hollow terrace]

matter of fact leave the fandom when you're done with silksong

[tribal schooner]

i had most of it by the time i went for it. i grinded like 10 things i think

[nimble pebble]

SS has literally been planned as a game since HK was released

[marsh ibex]

cmon wombat

Did you forget about the free moderator copies of silksong

[errant orchid]

lucky man nedding 17 hoppy husks in infected is a shit show

[haughty brook]

Also, there is no 100% guarantee that SS will be the final HK game TC will ever produce. I'm not saying that I want them to be the HK machine production line but that they could explore more of that world in a future game after a new IP, if they want.

[cunning geode]

I didn’t forget, I lied

[silver oak]

I'm pretty sure SS wasn't planned as a standalone game immediately when it started

[nimble pebble]

Fearless Fox feels like the new IP

[tribal schooner]

thats rough buddy

[nimble pebble]

It was, we literally have proof of it

[silver oak]

I feel like there's a quote for that

[ocean coral]

mods get exclusive access to silksong and theyll tell u about it if u ask nicely

[silver oak]

"Almost from the very start, Hornet’s adventure was intended to take place in a new land, but as we dove in, it quickly became too large and too unique to stay a DLC, as initially planned."

Quote from the original SS blog post

Checkmate

[cunning geode]

Leth told them to make it a standalone game

[errant orchid]

ss wasnt originally a standalone game but it was right after development on hornet DLC started because hornet is too tall

[haughty brook]

For what I understand TC wanted the DLC for Hornet to took place in a different land than Hallownest, but then realized that their scope was getting bigger and bigger and decided to make it a standalone game.

[silver oak]

Did you literally not read the quote, it was supposed to be a new world but still included with the base game

[errant orchid]

thats probably a reason

[nimble pebble]

SS was a side project during the production of the HK DLC content packs and a month before Godmaster was launched SS went full production then got announced in early 2019

[cunning geode]

#sk-discussion message

[nimble pebble]

And of course like Wombat said, early on Leth told them to make it a stand alone game

[cunning geode]

Leth quote for you all

[nimble pebble]

Thanks Wombat

[tribal schooner]

good thing too, TC is way too generous. the first 3 dlcs being free was alot of content

[nimble pebble]

You've saved me from my own hubris, explaining things

[errant orchid]

yeah they were going to just add on a new area and slap hornet in but she would play really bad in the world made for a much shorted empty headed idiot that can't talk or move faster than a mild jog without funny Sans charm

[silver oak]

That still doesn't disprove my point, they still started with the intention of creating dlc

[cunning geode]

that’s fair

[nimble pebble]

Of course

[haughty brook]

I think it was a general decition rather than Leth suggesting them that but yeah.

[nimble pebble]

But by the time HK was out that was already out the window

[nimble pebble]

He literally told them it was a good idea

This is what Leth said

[silver oak]

Read
the
quote

[haughty brook]

Ah, I didn't understand.

[nimble pebble]

He made the suggestion

[cunning geode]

well if you scroll down after clicking that link you can see Leth did take credit for suggesting it

[nimble pebble]

And they took it

Plain and simple

[errant orchid]

im not saying that isnt a reason im just stating there is another reason

[silver oak]

I haven't seen Jonny in a bit, does he just not show up in this channel anymore or has he taken a break?

[nimble pebble]

Dodging the question now that you know you are not correct I see

[silver oak]

[haughty brook]

Also, I think TC is going to make metroidvanias games in the future even if they are no in HK world. Or rather, games with emphazis in exploration and meeting new characters and lands.

[silver oak]

And also I'm still right

[nimble pebble]

idk what happened to jonny probably busy with life

[nimble pebble]

The latter half of your statement is correct

[errant orchid]

its not an argument

[shy stirrup]

Idk what i will do without more tc metroid vanias

[silver oak]

They couldn't have started with hornet in Hallownest if it was originally planned to be a new world

[cunning geode]

Play* other games?

[nimble pebble]

They want to emphasise exploration and meeting new characters and lands, but it will not be always in the Metroidvania genre

[marsh ibex]

Jonny evolved into benji

[cunning geode]

Jonny still pops in every now and then

on the server that is

nth though…

[errant orchid]

it wasnt originally planned to be a new world thats not what im saying

[marsh ibex]

nth hasn’t spoken since

[silver oak]

nth was gone before I even showed up

[nimble pebble]

I legit don't think I've ever met nth

[marsh ibex]

The mod ping in #sk-discussion

[shy stirrup]

What happened to water

[haughty brook]

I mean, it will always fall into the metroidvania genre because it kinda fits the mold.

[marsh ibex]

Gone

[cunning geode]

Water is always here

[hollow terrace]

water is a lore mod

[marsh ibex]

Reduced to atoms

[shy stirrup]

Nooooooooo

[nimble pebble]

BOTW fits the bill and isn't a metroidvania, your point is invalid

[silver oak]

Yeah you can scroll up and find them very easily in lore

[haughty brook]

I don't think TC will make something like Botw tho

[nimble pebble]

It still fits the bill of all those things and not a metroidvania

[hollow terrace]

anyways other mods are chilling somewhere out there, i mean tbf currently the server is on the low tide of server maintenance

[haughty brook]

Fair enough

[silver oak]

I'd like to think we're a pretty decent group

Far from the worst server on discord

[marsh ibex]

nah

You guys suck

[silver oak]

shit

[cunning geode]

That’s rude Joker

[nimble pebble]

🪞

[errant orchid]

i think the best part about silksong is the fact that i know about it before-hand so i can play it before anyone can spoil it

[cunning geode]

good point

[marsh ibex]

Cry about it

[shy stirrup]

Im gonna leave the internet for like 2 weeks

[cunning geode]

Play League with Window and me

[shy stirrup]

Gonna mute everything on Twitter related to hk

[nimble pebble]

I'll be in this channel day 1 I legit, do not care I'll be playing and watching the channel

[silver oak]

No
I must not give in

[marsh ibex]

never

[silver oak]

My friends have been asking me to play league with them for over a year

[nimble radish]

your honour, league of legends

[haughty brook]

I want to imagine the chaos generated in this channel when the release daye is revealead.

[silver oak]

AAAAAHHHHHH

[marsh ibex]

on that fated day

[haughty brook]

Death

[nimble pebble]

Lol is a bad game don't @ me

[marsh ibex]

1 minute slowmode

[shy stirrup]

They will need to mute the channel

[cunning geode]

lol is a bad game

true

[shy stirrup]

I think ss could come out this year but its unlikely

[hollow terrace]

there wouldn't be a slowmode that high

[cunning geode]

but I wanna play with Window and we won’t unless Joker joins us

[silver oak]

The highest I've seen it was 6 minutes

[nimble pebble]

Based Wombat

[errant orchid]

Imagine pantheon of hallownest best every boss is NKG and its all at the same time

[silver oak]

I think joker did that

And then he forgot to reset it

[nimble pebble]

44 NKG's sounds like a terrible time

[hollow terrace]

when there's actually silksong content to be hyped about I personally let chat be happy

[nimble radish]

I wonder how many nkg's have been fought at once

[haughty brook]

More like your CPU melting lmao.

[nimble pebble]

Nah if you had a good desktop you could make it work

[silver oak]

Well when there's no news and people who joined the server half an hour ago are just spamming gifs it's different

Hype comes in many forms

[hollow terrace]

well i wasn't talk about those incidents

[silver oak]

Some good, most bad

[hollow terrace]

I was talking about events such as the EDGE article thing

[silver oak]

Yeah that was fine

The only part where people really freaked out was when wilbo showed up

[charred pulsar]

😐

am I right?

[silver oak]

But the majority of regulars were asleep then anyway so it wasn't super bad iirc

[hollow terrace]

ah you got them good simo

[nimble pebble]

Simo is a great guy

[hollow terrace]

almost tricked me honestly!

[nimble pebble]

I liked watching him stream sometimes

[charred pulsar]

Shhh don't bring those up! I was never a streamer

[silver oak]

You know when you think about it orange is a cross of yellow and red

aka the admins and team cherry

[nimble pebble]

[silver oak]

what I am saying is leth should be a mod

[nimble pebble]

Leth is contracted help not a member of Team cherry

He is a based man but not a TC member

[cunning geode]

He’s got a lot of work ahead of him, he don’t need to be here moderating

[nimble pebble]

^

This too

[hollow terrace]

Leth becomes admin/mod therefore we become offically the OFFICAL server

[silver oak]

Officially official?

I remember when graig was an admin for like half an hour

[errant orchid]

the only lore im excited about for silksong is new higher bings

[marsh ibex]

Remember when simo was trying to do p5 hitless

I don’t

[silver oak]

I was told it's happened before

[nimble pebble]

I don't like normal bing why would I want higher ones

[tribal schooner]

chandler bing is the highest bing

[hollow terrace]

New dead higher beings

[errant orchid]

...

[hollow terrace]

poggers

[silver oak]

Dead bugs dead bugs dead bugs

[nimble pebble]

Remember when Simo's Girlfriend tried to play HK?

[errant orchid]

https://www.bing.com/

[marsh ibex]

Pfft

[nimble pebble]

I don't

[marsh ibex]

Simo doesn’t have a girlfriend

[silver oak]

Joker is simo's girlfriend

[marsh ibex]

that’s a lie made to sell government robots

[haughty brook]

I'm exited for new areas and new art because the artstyle was the thing that draw me to the world of HK.

[hollow terrace]

ok thats a bit weirdchamp now

[tribal schooner]

wait is that for real?

[errant orchid]

the hand drawn multi-layer backgrounds are pretty cool

[nimble pebble]

[tribal schooner]

shoot they played me for a fool

[tribal schooner]

they kick ass . i was so impressed with them. i was like how did ari find the time to improve the artistic enviorment more?!

[silver oak]

Birds aren't real

Team Cherry invented them to get more sales for silksong

If you kill the king bird it tells you the silksong release date with its dying breath

[barren roost]

birds

[nimble pebble]

Improvement as an Artist

[errant orchid]

yeah its crazy HK took 3 years to make or somethin like that and silksong was announced 3 and a half years ago imagine the sick art

[nimble pebble]

HK also ran out of money and would have likely been longer in production with proper budget

[errant orchid]

yeah they had to take a loan its crazy how much effort has already gone into silksong

[nimble pebble]

SS has a budget that isn't a shoestring

[silver oak]

Didn't they sell their houses or something

[errant orchid]

I just hope they use they same determination when they announce Zote Boat

[barren roost]

good job, I got snailed lol

[tribal schooner]

just the mention of zoteboat destroys their determination

[nimble pebble]

TC wants to break out of the HK shell and also expand their horrizons with a new IP so idk about that

[errant orchid]

they can delay SS all they want if it helps them with ZOTEBOAT

[tribal schooner]

that is on hefty eternal delay

[haughty brook]

Still, I'm still pretty damn happy that SS is in the horizon (maybe releasing this year), Tsukihime Remake soon in the August of this year and Elden Ring for the beginning of next year.

[nimble pebble]

Anyone who unironically wants zoteboat is a rather strange person in my opinion

[nimble radish]

if any character other than hornet warrants a game I'd say it's ogrim

[tribal schooner]

i think HK has a chance

but ogrim is a fair guess

[nimble radish]

hollow knight: shitass

[nimble pebble]

I agree

Hollow Knight: Ogrim Adventure is a totally legitimate project by Team Cherry

[haughty brook]

I can't see Ogrim as a player character, neither Quirrel because his arc is already complete and prequels are rarely good. Zote in the other hand has the great opportunity to have character development for him in a more "serious" (in the same seriousness that HK and SS are in tone) game and have unique combat mechanics for him because he isn't like Ghost or Hornet.

[tribal schooner]

you mean because he is physically incapable of harming someone?

[haughty brook]

I mean, TC could make something like Zote finds some new weapon or discovers a way to harm people with his wood weapon but the combat will still be a little bit trickier than with Ghost or Hornet.

[olive bobcat]

Ok so I don't want to finish this fake because it's too hard, but I really like what I made so who wants to see an incomplete fake

[silver oak]

Hollow Knight: Zoteboat: It's literally just Hollow Knight except in the opening cutscene you jump down into Kings Pass and immediately die from fall damage

[silver oak]

Of course

[nimble radish]

Zote's game would have to be entirely platforming until he gets some serious character development and realizes he's not what he thinks he is

[olive bobcat]

RTX off

RTX on

[silver oak]

Is that the yellow orb from Geometry Dash???????????????

[haughty brook]

Seriously, I would like to see a Zote game becuase he has a very constrastive personality in comparison with Ghost (which is a "blank avatar") and Hornet who is a serious princess with big responsabilities and a complicated legacy to uphold.

[silver oak]

Hmmmm
Cloth game? Bretta game?

[nimble pebble]

Zote is a cunt and deserves jack shit

[tribal schooner]

idk zote is meant to be a troll not a legitimate character.

[nimble radish]

Cloth would be possible, her arc could be learning to live for the person she lost instead of dying to rejoin them

and Bretta dating sim 😳 :flsu

[tribal schooner]

cloth game would be cool but it hits that prequel problem mentioned before and bretta is helpless

[nimble pebble]

There was a joke mode Willbo designed for HK's third playable character if it was met and he hadn't even thought it through that much as it was mostly a gag, they never planned to seriously make a game of him

[safe orchid]

King of Chungus? Crazy

[nimble radish]

Cloth doesn't always die, don't see why they can't have a sequel starring her

[silver oak]

I mean the whole "she's dead" thing is the same problem we run into with sealed siblings and silksong

[barren roost]

damn bloody harsh there

[nimble pebble]

Hornet isn't dead in Sealed siblings

[nimble pebble]

It's the truth, that's literally his character

[silver oak]

The comparison still stands

[haughty brook]

There could be still potential for a Zote game becuase it requieries having to be more imaginative with his characterization, futher development and combat in a more serious game. I never saw the appeal for a Quirrel centered prequel game because his arc is pretty complete, we know enough of his character history and I don't how much a game will contribute with his development when HK already did that.

[tribal schooner]

i mean in sealed siblings hornet is still alive. and she is alive in all of the endings

[nimble pebble]

She's sleeping and no it doesn't as there's a few explanations on how she'd get out

[nimble radish]

Zote also dies in some playthroughs

[silver oak]

Apparently only about 4% of playthroughs

[nimble pebble]

If Willbo planned to have Zote as the third playable character and he couldn't come up with more than a meme concept then I doubt he'd follow through with something more serious

He's a Gag character

[silver oak]

More people have killed Nailsmith than have killed Zote

[nimble pebble]

I saved Nailsmith in my main file

[tribal schooner]

confirmed no zoteboat

[nimble radish]

that's because people didn't realize you could save Nailsmith
And visa versa for Zote

[silver oak]

Then again, Zote is presented like you have to save him, and Nailsmith is presented like you have to kill him

[nimble pebble]

tbf there's a fair amount of people who don't play more than one playthrough

[tribal schooner]

same

[silver oak]

2/3 of people have not beaten False Knight

[nimble pebble]

There are people who just drop the game after 20 minutes, which is beyond me

[silver oak]

My friend did that

[haughty brook]

Still, the fact that Zote himself (and not the Grey Prince) appears in Godhome seems to indicate that TC loves him a lot even if he still a comedic chatacter.

[nimble radish]

some games just aren't right for some people

[nimble pebble]

Sounds like an unbased friend

[tribal schooner]

that is so sad. they are missing out. tho the real skill and dedication floor is the first hornet fight

[nimble pebble]

He'd remain a comedic character though

[barren roost]

[silver oak]

He got to the grub all the way to the right in crossroads, died to the husk guard, and then never played it again

[nimble pebble]

And since it's unlikely he'll appear in SS he's gone

[silver oak]

Again, by far the most likely character to reappear in Silksong aside from Hornet is Mr. Mushroom

[jolly zodiac]

Aight mates

[nimble pebble]

Ngl Kinda cringe bro

[jolly zodiac]

Its this time of month where i ask whats the ss state

[nimble pebble]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[tribal schooner]

but thats the thing he serves as a troll and TC loves him for being a troll. I doubt he will ever be more than a troll. though aside from mr mushroom i think zote stands a decent chance at showing up in ss in some form. even if they just throw in one of his precepts or something

[silver oak]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Mushroom appears in every TC game going forth

[jolly zodiac]

For the love of God when will it Come out

[silver oak]

When it's done

[jolly zodiac]

Im starving

[silver oak]

And we aren't?

[jolly zodiac]

I need more big bug lore

[nimble radish]

like, a random npc just says word for word a precept

[silver oak]

#hk-lore

[nimble pebble]

Well the likelihood of SS bein the last HK game for a while makes that unlikely if they get a new IP

[haughty brook]

I have the wierd feeling that if TC is going to tease the next HK game in SS, it would be through some dlc in which adds some teaser to the next game, but as I said, IF TC do that, no saying that they will do it.

[tribal schooner]

yeah that would be so funny

[nimble pebble]

Sometimes between now and Dec 2023

[silver oak]

No I'm saying he'll travel across IPs

[nimble pebble]

I doubt it

[silver oak]

He knows about Hungry Knight and Tomb Cat

[nimble pebble]

But it'd be funny

[silver oak]

He's probably the most unresolved ending in the entire game

[jolly zodiac]

Listen here im not adressing you in that matter its more of a fact that im coming to this channel once a month or two to complain a Little and see how are all of ya

Also how are ya mates

[silver oak]

Good

[haughty brook]

Fine here

[nimble radish]

I think it would be cool if he wasn't Mr Mushroom each time
but in every game theres somthing with his face and trademark cryptic references to other TC games

[silver oak]

Also it's annoying me that you capitalized Little and nothing else

[jolly zodiac]

Ok cya in a month or two

[silver oak]

bye

we'll be waiting

[barren roost]

oh hi and bye
I recall you

[chilly nexus]

I think the main thing with SS vs other games that have a reveal and then go silent for a bit, is that since the reveal, things have been erring on the 'nearly done'/'coming soon' side of things, and we haven't ahd reprieve from that

[silver oak]

It's no accident the game looks done in the reveal trailer

[lament gyro]

Guys

[silver oak]

They almost certainly put extra polish into the trailer scenes so it could appear farther along than it actually was

[tribal schooner]

id like to see mr mushroom in some form. and a branching character is so fun imo

[silver oak]

That's what every game dev does

[chilly nexus]

yeah like ER got a cinematic reveal, no mention of timeline, and then they came out with the release date and things. no one believed really it was 'coming soon' until the date was aactually announced

with SS you could reasonably believe the game was only a few weeks or months out, since its reveal

[silver oak]

Do you think TC would do a cinematic trailer for Silksong?

[chilly nexus]

idk anyone saw ER's reveal and went "End of summer, yes!"

[silver oak]

Not a rhetorical question, I'm curious

[chilly nexus]

I knew this would be brought up, and they wouldn't, but i don't have a perfect example atm and don't care to think more about this

[silver oak]

I feel like Silksong will feature more cutscenes to bring out more of Ari's art

[primal kiln]

Ooh I hope

[silver oak]

He made short films before joining TC, it makes sense he'd be good at cutscenes

[primal kiln]

I absolutely love the cutscenes

[nimble pebble]

I'd rather the game over a trailer, if we're talking new developments

[silver oak]

What about a game and a trailer

[nimble pebble]

But both would be having my cake and eating it too so I'd like that

[haughty brook]

You mean actual gameplay rather than a cinematic trailer, right?

[nimble pebble]

I suppose

[silver oak]

I think they meant, like, actually playing the game

[nimble pebble]

^

[primal kiln]

I think TC just released too much at starting
Like a demo

[chilly nexus]

anyways, yeah, my main thing--that i think is valid and unique to SS--is that in its case, you could reasonably believe the game wasn't more than a few weeks or months out from the time of its reveal

or any given day really

[primal kiln]

It made me assume the game is about to finish in maybe months

[nimble pebble]

We're always in SS release limbo

[primal kiln]

Waiting for more than two years is painful 😣

[silver oak]

How long before we realize we're all in a rewrite of No Exit

[nimble pebble]

Clearly you've never waited for a game to come out

[primal kiln]

Like, expecting cake to be made when saw the cooking inside oven

But you didn't get the cake

[chilly nexus]

waiting 20 years for the monkey ball remakes

[stiff burrow]

I mean the average game does not have 2+ years between reveal and release does it?

[nimble pebble]

Welcome to the club

[silver oak]

Waiting 19 years for the next metroid game

[chilly nexus]

jk that wait was fine, because I never thought it was coming soon

[primal kiln]

Probably burning in oven rn

[chilly nexus]

with the SS wait tho, you're always on the edge. i was never on the edge for monkey ball

[primal kiln]

But HK was made in 2017
And I think TC finished the last dlc in 2018? Or early 2019?
Granted, Covid is at play too

[nimble pebble]

tbf there was the wii and switch games but we all know the gamecube monkey ball games were best

[silver oak]

Okay to be fair, the last metroid game is older than I am

So I can't say much about that

[nimble pebble]

Late 2018 was the last DLC and also when the full on production of SS started and no Covid has not affected SS

[chilly nexus]

i never had a gamecube or the gamecube games which is why i always wanted them to remake them for me to experience for the first time

only ever played it at friends houses

[nimble pebble]

I did, the gamecube was great

[primal kiln]

TC mentioned Covid made it harder to process

[silver oak]

I played the fucking mobile monkey ball

[chilly nexus]

the mobile one was great

[nimble pebble]

No, it never did, literally no impact

[chilly nexus]

it was like one of the first app games for the ipod touch

[silver oak]

You tilted the ipad to control the ball

It was awesome

[primal kiln]

Real chads play marble in Roblox 😎

[nimble pebble]

Gamecube monkey ball best monkey ball SMB2 was my favourite

[haughty brook]

I think COVID didn't impacted them as much as.

[chilly nexus]

but yeah, with monkey ball, i never once thought "only a few more weeks/months, then surely tthe remakes will be out!" meanwhile with ss, that's been the reigning thought for 2y

[silver oak]

I think they said something about covid in edge

[nimble pebble]

TC literally said it had no impact

Several mods admins and Leth said so

[chilly nexus]

granted, i don't take issue with it or TC, i'm just bringing up how SS's wait to release is unique vs other games

[silver oak]

I mean to be fair, a game dev is the second least affected job by covid

[primal kiln]

We are so desperate for so few crumbles of bread

[silver oak]

The least being a gaming youtuber

Take that fireborn

[chilly nexus]

fireborn is a qt

[nimble pebble]

TC is small company, in a country that wasn't that affected by Covid

[silver oak]

Were you there when fireborn was being jumped on by dream stans

[nimble pebble]

I ignore things related to dream stans, because they are cringe

[primal kiln]

I was there when Fireborn started to make videos of speedrunner vs hunters

[silver oak]

I was watching his stream and he pulled up Fire's vid and I started laughing histerically

[primal kiln]

Dram did that?

[nimble pebble]

I've been watching Fireborn for quite a bit of time at this point, I like when he does crazy modded pantheons or boss fights

[silver oak]

I wasn't even watching it cuz I like dream, I was just incredibly bored and that was more interesting than my homework

Only true OGs remember Fire's classical music phase

[nimble pebble]

Sounds vaguely familiar

[tribal schooner]

i hear you. i think you are right in the fact that the game looked like ti was close from the start. when the nintendo lady said TC would be wrapping up the game it seemed pretty reasonable

[silver oak]

Yeah that did not help

[chilly nexus]

and even in TC's videos themselves. it was always wrapping things up or "spilling into extra content already" ~from 2019.

the only hint we got that the game was still being built out was the 2019 christmas blogpost

[tribal schooner]

true

[silver oak]

"Hollow Knight Silksong is coming soon to Nintendo Switch" - Treehouse lady, June 2019

[hearty tendon]

Tommorow

[stiff burrow]

If only they said it was going to take years right away. Would've made the wait way more bearable imo

[hearty tendon]

Don't worry we still got alot to talk about hollow knight

[chilly nexus]

what's sad is that you could have said that any day between the reveal and now, and you wouldn't be too crazy :p

except ofc, we know they'll probably do the release announcement at a venue, which limits dates a bit

[primal kiln]

But now TC even couldnt say anything without getting mobbed

[hearty tendon]

You see i have the mindset to make a fake date just to make it more bearable

And it works....somehow. guess elden ring train me for the right thing

[chilly nexus]

Feb 14th 2022 hype train begins

[primal kiln]

I mean seriously whenever we hear a single new thing
We immediately goes to their offical website
The website go poof bcuz it couldn't handle so many users going

[silver oak]

wilbo gets away with it

[hearty tendon]

CHOO CHOO LES GO SILKSONG RELEASE DATE

[haughty brook]

Still kinda of wierded out by TC official twitter last like.

[primal kiln]

?

[silver oak]

And tbh, the amount of Hollow Knight fans are a lot bigger than in December 2019

[stiff burrow]

That was so random yeah

[tulip drift]

Wilbo forgot to like the tweet on his personal account and did it on the tc account instead is my personal theory

[haughty brook]

Nah, it was on purpose.

[stiff burrow]

That makes me question why he was logged in on an account that had done nothing for a year

[nimble pebble]

TC hasn't said anything because there's nothing to say, other than "We're still working on the game"

[hearty tendon]

Man, im just surprised nobody actually leaked silksong

[nimble pebble]

They're under NDA

[hearty tendon]

Except from the devs itself

[chilly nexus]

i'm p sure the people who have access to the game have a high enough respect for the game and TC, outside of the NDA, to not leak it

[stiff burrow]

There aren't that many people who know anything about the game that could leak something

So it's just way less likely to happen than any AAA game

[nimble pebble]

The only people with access to dev builds are the people under NDA

[hearty tendon]

Yeah there's less people on it too

[chilly nexus]

i meant it like, NDA aside, they still wouldn't leak it

[primal kiln]

What is NDA

[hearty tendon]

What about the Kickstarter ppl tho

[chilly nexus]

ofc everyone with the game is under a Non Disclosure Agreeement

[chilly nexus]

(did u like my discreet answer ||not so discreet now unfortunately ||)

[chilly nexus]

wrong quote, meant u^

compact mode be tricky sometimes

[nimble pebble]

I suppose the only Non NDA people who might know a thing or two are people with their own Bosses in the game, However they could get their character removed if they leaked things since its a break of trust. So they wouldn't leak

[hearty tendon]

Yeah i like your discreet answer

[nimble pebble]

Where are my fellow Carmelitia fans

[hearty tendon]

Caramel ?

[stiff burrow]

This is still my favorite thing. If anyone doesn't know, this is the contact form on Team Cherry's website

[nimble pebble]

Carmelitia

[primal kiln]

Lol

[hearty tendon]

Aight jk, carmelita is cool

[chilly nexus]

I tend to like faster bosses the most, so ones like Seth, SoB, and PV are the ones I'm instantly drawn to

Carmelita still looks cool though, but is a bit slower like the robot in the trailer

[nimble pebble]

Nothing is slower than the robot

[chilly nexus]

ye the robot is the slowest :p

[hearty tendon]

The robot is powered by silk don't blame em

[chilly nexus]

but carmelita is def not one of those 3^

[nimble pebble]

Carmelitia is putting on a show, Like NKG

Theatrical and deadly

also NKG fast

Very pattern based though

[hearty tendon]

You're not a real carmelita fans less you know her species

[nimble pebble]

Ant

[tribal schooner]

sorry who is SoB i cant remember

[nimble pebble]

Sisters of Battle

Alternatives are Seal of binding and Shrine of believers

[tribal schooner]

one of the best fights for me. i battle over and over for like 2 hours before i beat him but each time i could tell i was getting better because of his firestorm balloon attack and it hyped me up so much

[nimble pebble]

NKG based yes

But I prefer PV

[tribal schooner]

oh that was a fun fight too. i wish i had walked into that one blind but i saw it on relyeas channel first

[tribal schooner]

my favorite boss

[nimble pebble]

Relyea

[tribal schooner]

i bet relyea rusty and mossbag get early copies of the game

[nimble pebble]

Probably not, Unless TC believes in Free publicity through streamers and youtubers

SS is 3rd on top wishlists

[stiff burrow]

Really, which are 1 and 2 most wishlisted?

[silver oak]

Dying Light 2 and Party Animals

[stiff burrow]

Huh, I see. Haven't really heard of those except 1 Party Animals trailer at e3

[tribal merlin]

SS was further down the list but all the other games in front of it got released

[stiff burrow]

FeelsSSman

[nimble pebble]

We were still 6th even 5th out of pure popularity so it's valid

[tribal schooner]

i mean every youtuber that covers nintendo talks about SS around every direct. so i think thats a good indication of its popularity also

[trim estuary]

A

[trim estuary]

based

[fleet temple]

A

[silver oak]

B

[glossy gazelle]

C

[tulip drift]

D

[chilly nexus]

stay tuned for a youtube video covering SS of my own in the near future

[silver oak]

No advertising

Banned

[chilly nexus]

ban me

[silver oak]

But fr send link when done pls

[chilly nexus]

tbh this was aa v nice and surprising comment, ty

u will certainly get a link

[silver oak]

[tribal schooner]

i want one too

[chilly nexus]

1 will be saved for u 2

[tribal schooner]

yessss

[barren roost]

and me?
your old buddy, old pal, delta airlines?

[fleet temple]

also me?

[chilly nexus]

you shall receive one as well

[chilly nexus]

and 1 4 you

but of course

(this love rn )

[tribal schooner]

what did you get banned for?

im waiting for those reputable leaks on the first video

really that bad? did you bully someone or what?

[chilly nexus]

imma leak the whole plot

i got the unpublished manuscript of SS dialog

[tribal schooner]

....... nevermind

[chilly nexus]

XD jkjk

no but i have enough in my head to build a world for you guys

it'll hopefully make a lot of sense and just be like "ahhhhhh"

[tribal schooner]

oh... well good to have you back

dude metroid dread has been 2 decades in coming. they scrapped the progress they had twice and several years of being filed for later. developers damnation

[silver oak]

The defense rests

[trim estuary]

Yo mama. The land the defense is on is actually yo mama

No, not yet

What’s Doomah

Idk, good ig

It’s 9:16pm

[silver oak]

Wrong

It's 11:16

Because there's only one timezone, the human timezone

[fiery coral]

incorrect; it is 8:46 AM

[tranquil igloo]

incorrect its 8:17 AM

[boreal kettle]

thank you good sir/madam/person

[trim estuary]

Maybe

[boreal kettle]

that is objectively false
It is 11:18

[tranquil igloo]

no you are wrong its 8:20

[barren roost]

I've never seen that before but it's apparently very common

11:18

[tawny hill]

day 39487230472 and silksong is still not out ;-;

[barren roost]

that's because silknev

[ocean coral]

[molten copper]

When do you guys think silk song will be released?

I’m guessing November or so.

[stiff burrow]

I have no idea anymore. I just hope it will end up being this year
It's in this strange spot where in a month and in a year seem equally likely to me.

[molten copper]

My second guess is summer 2022

[cunning geode]

control+c

[coarse leaf]

Doubt it’ll be this year, I’m guessing mid 2022 but we can only see

[stiff burrow]

Why you doubt this year? HK just got its release randomly 2 weeks before it launched
I won't rule out this year until we enter November with no news

[coarse leaf]

Eh
Idk I just think 2021 is a bit optimistic
Not saying you can’t be optimistic but yeah

[stiff burrow]

Saying 2021 back in 2020 didn't seem very optimistic to me and I just stuck with it
I'm sure if it's still not out in exactly a year people will start arguing that saying 2022 is optimistic too heh

[coarse leaf]

Hmm

[stiff burrow]

I just have the feeling that every time someone mentions it could release in a not distant future then that is too early or too optimistic
When in reality if someone said late 2021 a year ago no one would've argued that was optimistic.
What changed? It's not too late to announce it and we also know Covid wasn't really an issue for them

[coarse leaf]

Maybe I’m just in denial at this point

[stiff burrow]

People don't want to get their hopes up anymore I get that haha

It's just that indefinitely pushing back what you think is a realistic release also doesn't make sense either so

[naive flax]

Probably bc silk song wasn’t at E3

Probably will release in 2023

[coarse leaf]

Ngl that’s a bit too far away

[stiff burrow]

God I hope not.
Last I checked a game can get their release announced outside e3

[naive flax]

Yeah but E3 is like a grand stage so it wouldn’t make sense to most people if silk song was going to release soon but wasn’t at E3.

[stiff burrow]

They only want to give a release date if they 100% know they'll hit it
It not being at e3, in my eyes, only means it won't release in July.

[austere nymph]

But in this year this "grand stage" wasn't so grand

[gusty spoke]

ye before when thinking about ss releasing in 2021 and people called you pessimist

[stiff burrow]

Yeah this is what I mean lol
People will just say they think it'll come "next year" until it comes out

[austere nymph]

Except Xbox and Bethesda conf

[stiff burrow]

And Nintendo.

[austere nymph]

Yeah

[stiff burrow]

Point is, it not being at e3 didn't mean it can't be out this year.
Because they won't announce anything until it's completely ready. So it can still happen at any point starting next month in my eyes
It just could also be in a year

[austere nymph]

Really agree

[fleet temple]

also agree

also like how some people say "it won't come out this year because why wouldn't they announce it a t e3" when they also say "they'll announce like 2 weeks before release"

[gusty spoke]

and tc didnt like to make their own separate annoucements?

[fiery coral]

I don't really see the point of missing out on E3 in the hypothetical scenario that they're within a few months away of releasing

[gusty spoke]

to not overshadow other games

[fiery coral]

no one's forcing them to make the announcement as late as possible

[stiff burrow]

Well we know they don't wanna announce before the game is basically done
So if it's close but not fully done by e3, they wouldn't announce it to be sure

[fleet temple]

let's say that ss comes out in december, i think they'd just wait until november to announce that

[fiery coral]

I don't profess to understand TC's marketing strategies and tactics, of course, but even if you aren't completely done with the game but are still somewhere close to the endpoint, why wouldn't you announce a tentative release window at one of, if not the biggest gaming events of the year

[stiff burrow]

It not being at e3 only ruled out the rest of June and then July for me. Maybe also August. But after that I don't think they would've announced at e3.

[fleet temple]

tbh i think if they announce it any more than 1 month before release that would a more painful wait than not knowing until right up to reelase

[stiff burrow]

There could always be something coming up, like unforeseen bugs that take longer than expected to patch.
This is just what I got from what they said, I might be wrong, but I just don't think we know enough about their marketing to completely rule out it still coming relatively soon

[fiery coral]

it might be harder to wait for us consumers, but for them as developers isn't it better to announce it on the largest platform they have available

[fleet temple]

yeah, i think after e3 people (at least subconsiously) push the release date further away so they can not be dissapointent and thus subconciously deny 2021 theories

[chilly nexus]

ye like they could've done what mario + rabbids did (super excited for the new game!) and been like: 2022

they've gotta be close enough to done at this point to know which year it'll release in. unless it's a dec/jan sitch and they're trying hard for late 2021

[stiff burrow]

Yeah! Like if their internal schedule is for the game to be done somewhere from October to December there's no reason for them to have it at e3 and maybe risk having to delay it

[chilly nexus]

they're still patching HK even, SS doesn't have to be perfect

granted, by all means, if they're still having fun being imaginative and creating things, keep doing that!

imagine if they're just as tortured as we are, and every time they're close to being ready to make a release announcement, will gets another great idea that they add to the game andn polish :p

[stiff burrow]

I would imagine they are probably done or close to done with adding completely new things at this point and are working on things like balance and possible progression points and bug fixes.
And getting feedback from game testers etc etc

Or they're not and the game is over a year away

[chilly nexus]

i just don't think they should release with the mindset that SS has to be basically perfect before putting it out. Lots of AAA games and HK even have those post-release updates that improve boss balance and things. A couple tens of testers aren't gonna capture what millions of players inevitably will

a pseudo lifeblood update for SS should be normalized imo

[stiff burrow]

Course not, but they still should try to not have something like pre-buff Traitor Lord in the late game

[coarse leaf]

silksoon

[strange wadi]

Guys any news on Silksong? Havent checked in a couple of months

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[wooden charm]

I had a wild conspiracy theory one time that nintendo was paying TC to not release silksong yet to give dread a higher chance of success

but I realized how dumb that was cuz 2020 was an open slate

yet absolutely nothing happened

either SS is big af, or some game breaking bugs happened

[craggy lantern]

I just wanna say I cant wait for silksong to come out its gonna be so fun since I loved HK so much -v-

Thats all just had to get that out there

Anyways when do we think is a reasonable release date

[wooden charm]

I think 2021 isn't far fetched, seeing as metroid dread was announced and given a release date only like 4 months away

but 2022 is looking more likely

[craggy lantern]

[chilly nexus]

the only thing we can use to speculate at this point really is every event that goes by. we know tc would want to announce release plans at a venue, so each time one passes, we know release will be at least a few months later

[craggy lantern]

Alright time to go do my other hobbies for 6 months

[chilly nexus]

ya tbh not getting June news (the Leth-acclaimed month of news) was a lil sad. Edge was still fantastic though, but there was some hope for June

[craggy lantern]

Edge was nice but TC seem like perfectionists

So 2023 ss release??

😳

[chilly nexus]

if SS is not out by end of 2022 i will be v sad

and write a sad letter to TC

[craggy lantern]

Can you add in some sadness for mboy quirreel?

[charred pulsar]

[fiery coral]

🤿

[chilly nexus]

Simo posting has suddenly revived me

i miss hearing from the admins and graig

[charred pulsar]

I'm around, just lurk 99% of the time

[median violet]

I found a game to play while waiting for ss

it's called ender lilies

came out in january

[craggy lantern]

Heard of it

[ocean coral]

wonder what graig has been up too

[pallid flare]

writing his gardening guide

[charred crown]

when release tell me

[serene jewel]

March 2022

[sacred stratus]

sike that's the wrong number

[opal geyser]

Silksong release date is hidden in hollow knight

[idle swallow]

Dun dun dunnn

[warped umbra]

i miss when graig used to speak in here a lot

[vocal orchid]

Be patient with him

He must be a pretty busy guy

[copper knot]

if i were graig i would just leave the server tbh

[tropic mica]

I do think that 2023 is a bit to much since leth said in december that TC is mainly playtesting, but if they wat to add stuff it can take longer but I think late 2021 is the call to make

[coarse leaf]

Leth just said it as example
Don't think so he really mean Silksong was finished and in testing phase

[rich fractal]

Nah man, I really hope SS is the complete thing. I only played Hollow Knight after every major update was only fine and after finishing I was surprised to fine some of the content was actually DLCs because shit like the Hive Knight fit so naturally

Balance changes would be alright, just hope all the content is already there, for that complete first experience

Btw any update on that interview?

Haven't checked here in months

[cerulean sable]

considering some people are still complaining why it hasnt been released yet because Leth apparently said "its already finished" despite it just being taken out of context, misinformation really does permeate

[idle swallow]

How much will ss cost?

Hk is very cheap especially when you consider its content

[cerulean sable]

we dont know

some speculation leads its gonna stay at around 15-25$ again

considering Leth mentioned its hard to break from the old strategy given how popular it became because of it

and that the original intention for the 15$ is because TC already mentioned how expensive 15$ for countries outside the US

AND also mentioning that majority of HKs copies were sold at 10$ average

people usually says that they want TC to bump up the price to around 30-60$+ and in the context of content, i guess i understand why
but theyd more likely shoot themselves in the foot for a shorterm monetary gain because (especially during a pandemic) those prices are less likely to be purchased by customers outside the US

[signal crag]

Also, putting it again at 15$ would feel like a power move, since Silksong is supposedly both bigger and better than Hollow Knight

[cerulean sable]

pretty much

they can afford it anyway considering how much copies theyve sold divided on a small team

theyre pretty much set for life tbh

[signal crag]

Yeah, it would still sell just great

[cerulean sable]

putting it to 15$ would basically be flexing

like its improved hollow knight but at the same price

people wont shut the fuck up about HK because of its low price already

now multiply that further with people recommending it to their friends because its cheap

the growth would be insane, like terraria is huge af because of how cheap it is for the content it can provide

[signal crag]

I understand than people think HK would deserve to cost more, but when it’s about marketing, there needs to be a compromise

[cerulean sable]

now set that to 45$+
youd have people agreeing its probably worth the price bump, but equally get the same amount of people who would either pirate it or just wait for a sale because its a tad too expensive for them

yeah

[gusty cape]

bets on if silksong will release before crowsworn?

MY SPEENRUN ROLE IS GONE

[gusty cape]

I mean the blue color

I used to look special ;-;

[copper knot]

F to your color

[charred pulsar]

You're still special

[gusty cape]

🥺

[copper knot]

i am no longer furry sans

[cerulean sable]

most of the runners has migrated to their own server now

[gusty cape]

ahh

I got addicted to running for a week and then like every other hobby never touched it again

[cerulean sable]

if you wanna get interested in running again you could go to the new server, it was done because it was easier for a localized area to handle SR stuff (and ofc whenever Silksong shows up)

and besides, this was server was like split in terms of communities anyways when you compare the casual peeps and the speedrunner peeps

[gusty cape]

ah it’s ok
i’m in the other server but I won’t get back into it any time soon cause I won’t have a way to upload runs for the next year

ty tho

[charred pulsar]

[insert gif of Hornet running]

get it, cause speedrunning

[copper knot]

ur not funny

[charred pulsar]

yeah that one

[tropic wren]

Jabuba

[bronze grail]

any news?

[bleak scarab]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[finite lake]

any silksong news?

[fleet temple]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[normal hinge]

any news

[lapis oar]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[normal hinge]

I can't find #hak anonymous

[haughty ingot]

huh

wow speedrunners aren't special anymore

[copper knot]

speedrunners now get a negative rep because of a specific green guy

[finite lake]

when will silksong realse?

[noble patrol]

Never

[normal hinge]

may 16 2022

[copper knot]

honestly lowkey same

although i dont hate him as a person, i hate him as a content creator tho

[edgy sleet]

yeah the green guy just scripts his manhunts and its hard to watch

[fiery coral]

it took me until the words "content creator" to realise who you were talking about

I was confused as to why you were slandering a member of the modding staff

[edgy sleet]

lol

[copper knot]

bruh-

[mental summit]

Is this true

[fiery coral]

no

[mental summit]

Ok

[mental summit]

I just got a bit off hope from that comment

[haughty ingot]

june 12

[mental summit]

That was yesterday

[modest night]

yesterday was july 12

[edgy sleet]

we have no release

[normal hinge]

no need to thank me

[hollow smelt]

You guys know its tomorrow right?

[pallid flare]

no

[viral pivot]

Its tomorrow somewhere

[nimble pebble]

Hello fellow Silksong waiters

[fading tide]

Hello fellow Silksong waiter

[obtuse glacier]

😭

[obtuse glacier]

No thats the day after tomorrow

[tropic mica]

why do you think this?

[obtuse glacier]

Because they said so

[keen drift]

seriously, I keep remembering SS is supposedly coming out, getting excited because its been so long since I've thought about it, then I go to check if we have a release date, and we dont ;__;

[viral pivot]

Presumably around 2022

[keen drift]

so i am gathering, which is sad since the game was announced in 2019, but ... i also find it hard for the game to not come out good if they take their time so... honestly it must be really hard to top, or make a sequel for something as good as HK

[viral pivot]

Yeah, but them taking their time means they can really focus on building the world up and getting it right

[analog forge]

Because it IS tomarrow

not the date that is the day after this one, mind you, but nebulous concept of a tomorrow.

[odd spoke]

Hey just take solice in the fact yall are not bayo fans

[normal hinge]

who

[odd spoke]

[nimble pebble]

If I am to quote Graig for a moment here "Hollow Knight was built on a shoe string budget, you have no idea how much better Silksong is"

No news on Bayo 3 in 4 years

[normal hinge]

who is a bayoio

[nimble pebble]

[austere nymph]

1 day on Venus is 243 days on the Earth

[olive bobcat]

Ari even had to ration his croissant money

[austere nymph]

So...

[normal hinge]

I think you aren't math

[analog forge]

hes definetly not math

[normal hinge]

😡

[nimble pebble]

Nah a day on Venus is 243 earth days

Venus rotates very slow

[austere nymph]

Yeah

[normal hinge]

it zotete fast

[nimble pebble]

However Venus only has 224.65 day year

[austere nymph]

Gas giants rotate fast

[normal hinge]

you rotate fast

[nimble pebble]

Mercury has a year cycle of 88 days

Meaning 4 years could pass on Mercury before one passes here

Jupiter only has 10 hour days

[analog forge]

8 hours of work and 2 hours of sleep

a corporations dream

[austere nymph]

Astronomy lecture

[pallid flare]

thank you #sk-discussion

[odd spoke]

Bayonetta

[nimble pebble]

By our standards we'd stay up 1 and a half days at a time since the average Human adult sleeps 8 hours but is up for 16

[nimble pebble]

Then would you like to... Suggest a topic

[analog forge]

new topic- random art you found on twitter

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

no i'd like to thank you

[tribal merlin]

twitter? more like
Our pure Vessel has ascended.
Beyond lies only the refuse and regret of its creation.
We shall enter that place no longer.

[nimble pebble]

Based Cheesoid

[normal hinge]

who

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

cheesoid is based

wait so

If twitter is the place full of refuse and regret

then what's the "creation"?

[fiery coral]

progress

just...progress in general; as a society, as a species, etc.

[vivid belfry]

New topic: what is the fastest way to move forward before getting sprint?

Now obviously it's spamming jump and dive but more specific than that

[marsh ibex]

wave dashing

implement wave dashing tc

[vivid belfry]

Is it best to do the maximum dive height before attacking? Or would it be more efficient to base it off the cooldown of the attack?

[marsh ibex]

probably cooldown

[vivid belfry]

Does it actually matter at all?

[analog forge]

See the fastest way to move forward is reload dashing
obviously

[vivid belfry]

Wait, yes it does, it is the height thing

[marsh ibex]

makes me wonder

is hornet’s air mobility better than the knight’s

like prior to double jump I guess

[analog forge]

Doubtful

[vivid belfry]

It wouldn't matter if the dive was at the same angle as a forward moving jump

But since the dive is at a shallower angle, you want to get as much height as possible for the biggest proportional speed increase

Hornet's air mobility is better in the sense that she has more in-air options and gets mad air off her pogo

[nimble pebble]

*Hornet unlocks triple jump

[vivid belfry]

The knight's air movement is just much easier to use though

Hornet is less capable of juggling herself on top of enemies for an extended period of time

[nimble pebble]

Adds to the challenge I guess

[vivid belfry]

I don't really think that's true

It's offset by hornet being basically incapable of whiffing pogos and having the ability to speed up her descent

Remember that bullshit where grey prince zote will instantly cut his hitbox in half during the flail and you fall on his back and die? Doesn't happen in silksong

[primal kiln]

Wait GPZ'a hitbox shrank when frail?

No wonder, I noticed something weird but at same time I get hit very easily by like a tiny pixel away from the nail

[vivid belfry]

No I mean when he falls down

[primal kiln]

Oh I didn't have a problem with it
I usually pogo him off at that moment

[vivid belfry]

Yeah but if you expect his head to be upright and time your swing on that, then he falls over, it's really easy to fall straight into damage, especially since the time it takes to happen is random

I usually just use ddark after he's been going for a couple passes since it's more consistent

[odd spoke]

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[olive bobcat]

🅱️ink

[pallid flare]

aluo pink???

welcome to the vip club

[olive bobcat]

un🅱️read 🅱️wins

[nimble pebble]

I could be pink but nay I shall have my nitro in no colour

[olive bobcat]

I only did it for this

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

wait are you boosting this server too?

[olive bobcat]

Finally I can use my own emotes

[nimble pebble]

[elder lake]

[sacred stratus]

Oh wow new emotes

[pallid flare]

free nitro

that's on you tho

[marsh ibex]

Neither do i lmao

I still cashed that free nitro lmao

all you have to do is make an account kekw

[pallid flare]

and have a valid payment option

[marsh ibex]

Aye

my nitro I cashed in at like

June

Jun 13

And it was three months

[pallid flare]

I think that I was one of the first ones who got their free nitro

the servers were fucked

what's a "stable job"?

[marsh ibex]

Mcdonalds

[pallid flare]

I don't know if mcdonalds would accept me

[normal hinge]

dealing with customers sounds amazing

superb

now what's white castles

no j

[wooden quest]

white castle is an american restaurant chain

[normal hinge]

ok

[pallid flare]

amreica

[sacred stratus]

For a moment I thought it was a prestigious British academy

who the hell calls their restaurant White Castle?

[normal hinge]

america

[sacred stratus]

Mericans

call it White Palace instead

Now with more saws

[analog forge]

i dont think thats condusive to good buisness

[grim sage]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. So any news on release date?