sk-discussion

[atomic sparrow]

👴 yes I was there when it all started! ah how time flies!

[odd hull]

I did???

[exotic cedar]

encores left

[twilit gale]

Use hunter it's better

[long grove]

yep

[clear fulcrum]

He told me that I was "taking" away opinions by finding it more interesting if he disliked genres based on widely accepted good games.

[graceful oyster]

LMAO the diagonal pogo is so ass

[odd hull]

Congratsss!

[hybrid flare]

P-2 P rank is just pain because panopticon will ruin your run somehow

[quartz cave]

let me put it on simpler terms

[forest kelp]

Y’all I passed my chemistry final it’s officially summer for me

[cunning geode]

yaaaay congrats

[odd hull]

Mb, sk-discussion

[clear fulcrum]

like in design or in balance?

[quartz cave]

if you absolutely adored an ice cream flavour but HATED the cone what does that mean

[cunning geode]

now you know all the chemicals

[twilit gale]

Mf you just have a skill issue😭

[quartz cave]

cause its the same thing

[exotic cedar]

That happened to me on violent p-rank but it didnt happen on brutal attempts... still shitass boss thogh

[forest kelp]

Oh I love the diagonal pogo

[quartz cave]

im unsure what this has to do with what youre replying to

[clear fulcrum]

this is a fundamentally worse analogy. The broth and vegetables intermix and can impact eachother, most people don't even eat the icecream cone.

[quartz cave]

doesnt remove the fact that you made a point

[twilit gale]

You like the cream but not the uhhhh I'm trying to find an analogy

[long grove]

(maybe I set some wood on fire too)

[graceful oyster]

Gameplay, it's so stupid to make what feels like enemies that should be directly pogoed on like with reaper and then force you to use diagonal ones instead

[cunning geode]

diagonal is fun

[clear fulcrum]

i never had an argument!! I was just saying that he was being a dick for no reason.. you forced me into a position that i never said out loud.

[odd hull]

Yeey

[quartz cave]

you are beggining to get it!!!!!!! games are not two dimensional
well you know what i mean

[clear fulcrum]

So you just admitted that it was a skill issue lol

[opaque sigil]

you know what else is fun? omnidirectional

[cunning geode]

oh my goodness both of you this wasn’t going anywhere 10 minutes ago

[twilit gale]

Diagonal looks cool and is functionally more useful than reaper

[graceful oyster]

Okay you stay over there with your directional slop and I'll use the objectively better reaper 😆

[quartz cave]

some bad choices can fully affect everything else with the games, some others dont but still make a game not enjoyable

[cunning geode]

hhhhh bedman reference

[twilit gale]

Objectively worse

[forest kelp]

Noo reaper is so slow

[quartz cave]

you cannot just say a bad game = bad representation of the gnere

[odd hull]

Upwards pogo when

[graceful oyster]

Name one crest that's better than reaper

[twilit gale]

Wanderer

[long grove]

wayward compass

not a crest but...

[cunning geode]

no it counts

[long grove]

u know...

[twilit gale]

This time it's objectively better than reaper you cannot argue at all

[clear fulcrum]

You literally can? Why do you refuse to admit this. If you played a roblox obby, it wouldn't be a good representation of platformers. A game is bad because it fails at what it sets out to do, if it's trying to be a platformer, and it sucks, then it is very likely that it has bad platforming.

[ashen barn]

ive been using all the different crests, but hunter the most, but i love directionslop as a term i didnt think all those words hung out with eachother like that

[clear fulcrum]

Not all games are like this, but it is an almost undeniable truth

[graceful oyster]

Okay I can't keep doing this, manufacturing crest discussion is really fun but it's like being an accessory to murder

[cunning geode]

an accessory to boredom

gottem

[twilit gale]

Find wanderer and I'll guarantee you'll switch

[cedar trench]

lame

[quartz cave]

dude you were the one saying the others are illiterate then why cant you read now that saying "you cannot judge a genre based on a generally bad accepted game" is an argument, that doesnt mean that youre fighting with the other person

[cedar trench]

wanderer crest is a crutch

[clear fulcrum]

I wish they never made crests tbh

[cedar trench]

same for reaper

[twilit gale]

I'll give you a hint: quick slash + hollow knight like attacks

[odd hull]

I wish they never made Silksong tbh

[quartz cave]

you made an argument, literally everybody does literally all the time, why are you acting like its hell on earth when its basic english

[twilit gale]

Yeah honestly they should've just kept hunter for the whole game and give it more evolutions

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[cedar trench]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[clear fulcrum]

i NEVER said that though. I was calling him illiterate because he misunderstood, and thought that I was saying that only widely accepted games can be good. Why interject yourself into a discussion that you didn't even know the context of? It's not hard to admit that you just DIDNT read what we said.

[trim estuary]

Oh my god bruh is this farter guy still here

[odd hull]

farter. lmao.

[clear fulcrum]

Give it an actually interesting evolution that changes the way you play the game

[cedar trench]

stop typing these fucking paragraphs bro i wish i were high rn so i could be even more mad at the fact that you'd be fucking up my mood

[twilit gale]

That way people will actually get used to the diagonal pogo tc showed off in every trailer

[cunning geode]

i feel like i’m chillin in the lounge and i can barely hear two people behind a closed door in their office screaming at each other

[clear fulcrum]

"Stop talking in the discussion channel"

[long grove]

[cedar trench]

take it to dms if you want to be right so bad no one is engaged and it's getting to a point where you're arguing banana kazooga semantics

[twilit gale]

"Stop arguing in the argument channel"

[atomic sparrow]

buddy what about silver bells quest... if they never made silksong we wouldn't have this...

[odd hull]

something something are you illiterate

[cunning geode]

no that would be #hk-meme

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-10440089285315366905

[quartz cave]

oh god
first of all "i didnt say that" "i only said it because" im literally doing the same thing, please READ
second of all, i just wanted to explain both sides could be wrong, and you told me the context of it
third of all, you can go look up my messages, i outright said several times i had no fucking idea what you were talking about

lastly NOTHING in your message relates to what you said being an argument or not

[clear fulcrum]

you literally started talking about america not being social?? No one cares about political culture nonsense in a video game server. Follow your own advice.

[twilit gale]

Trust me, this is no place for silksong discussion. It's only a breeding ground for random ass debates

[exotic cedar]

sk disc take notes from this guy

[cedar trench]

yes i really wanted to argue but now i don't want to do it

fym follow your own advice also lmfao so pressed for no reason

[cunning geode]

what if i don’t have lips to kiss with

[fiery burrow]

what are you even talking about

[edgy gulch]

offspring😭

[fiery burrow]

can you take it to #hk-general I don't want to see this thanks

[trim estuary]

use claws

[quartz cave]

star how far are you into poptlc

[atomic sparrow]

wait this is tuff

[cedar trench]

i'm the tiger, because the tiger is the strongest

[void moat]

not everyobe wants to discuss politics in the silksong chat, but i can speak for everyone that we wanna talk about MIO

[cunning geode]

Zip now you’re speaking my language

[fiery burrow]

the jailer guy lowk pmo so I haven't played for a bit

[exotic cedar]

uhhh... idk... but fighting is bad

[edgy gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138776611844538409/1462906152546340946/image2.gif

[cunning geode]

hmmm… i will consider this

[twilit gale]

What the fuck is MIO

[trim estuary]

Memories In Orbit

[cedar trench]

game for people with no culture no life no money no future no nothing

[long grove]

#hk-meme

[atomic sparrow]

no that's clearly the gorilla

[void moat]

this guy doesnt know

[fiery burrow]

hollow knight-like

[quartz cave]

it just gets peaker and peaker ngl

[clear fulcrum]

Your ENTIRE message that i was responding to was about me inherently HAVING an argument. When pointing out that I didn't say that, you write a nothing burger message that doesn't address anything that I said. "You interjected yourself into something that you didn't even know the context of, and you're still judging" "yep"

[cedar trench]

not an ape girl but that's a chimp at best

[fiery burrow]

y'all not even saying coherent sentences 🥀

[cedar trench]

see? banana kazooga semantics

[trim estuary]

coherent sentences

[exotic cedar]

we should call every metroidvania this

[atomic sparrow]

huh? where? what

[void moat]

it does seem to be a chimpanzee

[twilit gale]

IT WAS A TRICK I NOW KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE

[cedar trench]

thank you for peer reviewiing

[exotic cedar]

thank you team cherry for inventing gaming

[teal ridge]

71 roblox dollars?

[odd hull]

Yeah, pretty pricey

[trim estuary]

this is how i felt reading “banana kazooga semantics”

[fiery burrow]

isn't it funny how we call them hollow-likes when Ori did the same thing 2 years prior

[void moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tv-show-intro-golden-retriever-ydON1shCBZSSI

[clear fulcrum]

but ori did it bad

[atomic sparrow]

curious

[cedar trench]

Dire straits made one of the best riffs in guitar history and then said "ok we should also release sultans of swing"

https://open.spotify.com/intl-it/track/4nFNJmjfgBF7jwv2oBC45b?si=21bd53bf4eae4310

[cunning geode]

shoegraze because you you graze your shoessss

[atomic sparrow]

its shoeGAZE c'mon

[quartz cave]

why bring up judging im not judgfing anybody,, i repeat, for the septillion time, having an argument doesnt necessarily mean fighting, or arguing, with another person, it means you made a point, which you did, and the part that you pointed out you didnt say was about "being illiterate", which you clarified you said that because the other person was misunderstanding your point, then i repeat, that i said that because you were misunderstanding mine, just like they did with you before

[void moat]

dire? straizo? like from jojo

[cedar trench]

that little WHAT is a millionaire???''???

[odd hull]

bro thinks he's on the team
anyways, silksong costing 59,99 roblox dollars

[cedar trench]

likely

[trim estuary]

you mean 59.99

Also MINA THE HOLLOWER MENTIONED!!

[odd hull]

No, in Roblox is different

[twilit gale]

Thats like saying dimrain47 released the falling mysts but then also.... nah nvm everything he made is good

[prisma oar]

Shaw

[prisma oar]

I've seen you somewhere

Hmm

[odd hull]

I wonder where

[cedar trench]

this server probably

[prisma oar]

Well hello

[twilit gale]

Uhhh in roblox land?

[cedar trench]

hi

[odd hull]

That one series, Invisible

[terse heart]

spooky silver

[forest kelp]

Sorry chat I was driving what’d I miss?

[odd hull]

Nothing much

[prisma oar]

Im fucking invisible 🗣️

[cedar trench]

our stop.

[trim estuary]

Nothing too unimportant, nothing too important

[forest kelp]

Oh whoops sorry

[ashen barn]

youre doing whwat to invisbl

[forest kelp]

lol

[odd hull]

Why would you do that to him

[odd hull]

Yep

[twilit gale]

Noooo my glorious king in shadow fight 2 why would you do that😭 😭

[clear fulcrum]

You were INHERENTLY judging me AND him by saying that both of us were wrong/right. My first response to you was claiming that i NEVER shared my opinion on the topic, just saying that I wanted to see what he had to say about games that people generally like. I didn't make a point, i just pointed out my preference. I never wanted to discuss the logistics of judging an entire genre because of a bad game with you, I wanted to discuss it with someone who dislikes EVERY genre besides metroidvanias. What point could I possibly be misunderstanding from you?

[cedar trench]

deskmate at school is openly trans but he doesn't know i'bve been sauced since 2020

i've been ion this genderqueers hit so long

[twilit gale]

@forest kelp THIS is what you missed

[odd hull]

this is my house if you even care

[exotic cedar]

i like to read these messages with dekus voice

[void agate]

why is high halls ost + rain audio so heavenly

[prisma oar]

+parry +royalty graded

[forest kelp]

Oh boy…

[clear fulcrum]

someone else said the same thing yesterday

[trim estuary]

It really makes it so much better

[cedar trench]

are you guys going to discuss the main. point orrrrrr

[twilit gale]

Valid reaction

[exotic cedar]

lets just be friends

[twilit gale]

Can you guys stop fucking running in circles around the main point?

[clear fulcrum]

I was literally the last person to actually talk about the main point

[void agate]

What is chat even arguing abt

[trim estuary]

My talking sword,
has a Point

[clear fulcrum]

he hasn't responded to what I said!! he latched onto me saying that I never wanted to discuss this with him!!

[odd hull]

Nothing important

[cedar trench]

crazy thing to say

[quartz cave]

can you not.

[ornate perch]

We love shopping cart

[void agate]

invincibel

[odd hull]

Don't let them stop

[void agate]

watcher spotted

[clear fulcrum]

yeah.. what if my mom sees this..

[cedar trench]

my bad

[quartz cave]

people can have wrong and right statements it doesnt necessarily mean im judging either

[exotic cedar]

😨

[clear fulcrum]

Claiming that we were either wrong/right is judging, and it's factually wrong which i pointed out.

[trim estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228981818485768283/1399560317859528746/12892816_94ec9.gif

[quartz cave]

i never claimed you were both right and wrong though i asked if yall couldnt accept that both of you could be right and wrong

[void agate]

this is starting to feel like hk general

[odd hull]

100%

[cedar trench]

i told my mom "mom i'm litteraly nietzsche's uberfrau kinda sorta" and she was like "why" and i was like "i get warm milk at 3 in the evening"

[quartz cave]

the whole argument is based on misunderstandings since the literal beggining of it

[exotic cedar]

FUCK

[cedar trench]

noxious gas is closing in what are your last words make it quick

[clear fulcrum]

The point being, I never made a claim or point or literally any opinion that could be misconstrued as a something binary like that. All I did was give my preference.

[odd hull]

You're so real

[clear fulcrum]

that's what i've been saying the entire time

[quartz cave]

so have i!!!

[cedar trench]

piping hot so when i dip the chocolate cookies in it they become soft

[clear fulcrum]

no you have not 😭

holy gaslight

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python's-flying-circus-argument-clinic-michael-palin-john-cleese-monty-python's-flying-circus-argument-clinic-monty-python-argument-clinic-sketch-gif-8388775167925864929

[void agate]

67

[quartz cave]

and also you did make some of this, when you were arguing with me, but you made them

[trim estuary]

Can someone dig up the lurker

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-black-khan-mongolia-gif-14203750962198594973

[exotic cedar]

i love cookies.,.

[quartz cave]

fym

[cedar trench]

lurkers are healthy for the environment without them we wouldn't have europe or the UN

[long grove]

I’ve seen someone say something like that once…

[quartz cave]

you were also misunderstading me

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah, after you started the discussion.

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-sigma-patrick-bateman-owned-rekt-gif-3623767067006449959

[clear fulcrum]

Literally every other message before this was trying to convince me that I was arguing some point even before us talking, why walk back on it now?

[exotic cedar]

when carter is in chat theres always some shit happening

[quartz cave]

well and my entire point recently, was that you had made a point, which you had, then you misunderstood that as saying that you were having a debate with the first guy, which you didnt

[cunning geode]

hey ismoil, can i speak colored-role to colored-role here

[quartz cave]

who are you

[cunning geode]

please stop talking

[clear fulcrum]

Like the actual discussion has already ended, you stopped responding, you're just prolonging the discussion about the discussion because you don't wanna admit that i'm right 😭

[cedar trench]

funniest thing ever is how this is completely optional

[void agate]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ibnu-bro-thinks-hes-on-the-team-who-invited-this-guy-RGkBQdJCBU8Et7LGbq

[cedar trench]

like you can also not engage with people

[clear fulcrum]

OHHH I get it now

[long grove]

#hk-meme @quartz cave u r next

[twilit gale]

Mods can we just remove every single message from this entire dumb argument

[quartz cave]

im just trying to explain what i was talking about

[odd hull]

I never did that, is it really good?
I normally just eat cookies while drinking cold water

[quartz cave]

and hopefully i finally got my point across

[clear fulcrum]

yes im sorry!!!

[rocky jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105009859822362714/1307040830749540384/togif-2.gif

[quartz cave]

its fdine this shit did go on longer than it had to

[twilit gale]

No fucking way carter lost?

[cedar trench]

nonononononononononono trust me dude chocolate chip with the steam coming off

[quartz cave]

as i said it was just misunderstanding over misunderstanding

[twilit gale]

Carter you can't lose keep gaslighting

[exotic cedar]

literaly me

[quartz cave]

nobody lost or won in anything we aint fighting

[cedar trench]

just don't overdo it because then you get chocolate chip cookie milk

[clear fulcrum]

I didn't lose shit? all i did was admit that the final 10% of this discussion was me misunderstanding him

[cedar trench]

YES..... START ARGUING AGAIN

[long grove]

nobody lost or won, everybody lost

[clear fulcrum]

then i promptly apologized? im not some asshole that just lies for no reason lol

[quartz cave]

i think yall are viewing this as two people fighting eachother lmao

[cunning geode]

ive lost braincells thats for sure

[rocky jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1318721305008410624/1318730764413833308/CC62189D-E4B0-4FF3-9C25-9F1132A22F2E.gif

[odd hull]

Truth nuke, Dilma is never wrong

[twilit gale]

Saying sorry is equal to losing. That's just what the gaslighting monks in Tibet taught me

[cedar trench]

holdup money on my line

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah most people here see discussion as aggression for sum reason

[quartz cave]

exactly!!!!!!!

[long grove]

idk what u r talking about, it's from a philosopher

[clear fulcrum]

Why is no one here like ever sincere

[quartz cave]

i mean, we are on the internet

[twilit gale]

I was sincere until I got bored

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-kennedy-resident-evil-eyes-cry-gif-15905930651060335967

[cedar trench]

internet also ss discussion

[trim estuary]

To be sincere is to be vulnerable

[odd hull]

Lmao okyy, I'll take notes

[quartz cave]

why would leon do thjat,.,l.,.,. is he evil

[cunning geode]

too soon

[void moat]

epic rap battles of indie.. e33, versus! hollow knight silksong

[quartz cave]

oh my god
its him leon is

[clear fulcrum]

true but it's not that hard to admit that you weren't paying attention, we both did that. He doesn't have to act like he was ragebaiting before lol.

[trim estuary]

My bad

[quartz cave]

leon is the resident evil

oh my god!!!!

[trim estuary]

Why is Leon choking people

[long grove]

poor Ashley

[quartz cave]

bestie i literally just said he was the resident evil

[cedar trench]

i have a biology test on 300 pages tomorrow but it's my last test of my last year of hs so i stopped giving a shit

[quartz cave]

anyway no re4 spoilers im currently playing that

[odd hull]

One of these isn't indie..

[atomic sparrow]

👀 let's 👀 take 👀 a 👀 look

[odd hull]

(silksong)

[trim estuary]

It’s Hades…

[exotic cedar]

ai vs ai

[quartz cave]

omgh i need to hop on hades 2

chat what weapon do i use

[cedar trench]

yo who needs song recs 👀

[trim estuary]

Gun

[odd hull]

Is there a hammer

[long grove]

bill gates versus let me just step right in

[twilit gale]

Aw fuck I want to play hades 2 so bad but I'm poor now😭

[void moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391713263896625183/1492967516434337832/mistorbeast.gif

[quartz cave]

theres a specific axe build that acts kinda like a hammer

[glossy nebula]

We need crowbar

[odd hull]

Use that

[quartz cave]

apollo axe final chop it is

[terse heart]

phew

[glossy nebula]

Thanks for the money bro

[odd hull]

Have fun

[terse heart]

just beat the whole lotta nothing boss on STEEL SOUL

[glossy nebula]

You mean summoned saviour?

The picture wont load for me

[odd hull]

Unraveled

[cedar trench]

why is he so tanky but still has like 3 attacks maximum

[terse heart]

maximum*

[cedar trench]

what did i write

[terse heart]

fuck

[cedar trench]

ok no i was scared

[glossy nebula]

He is cool

[atomic sparrow]

he doesn't have an absurd amount of hp wiki says is 1k its just he ducks into the floor constantly

[glossy nebula]

Better not meet act 1 boss that is atoo of dirtmousr

[cedar trench]

bullseye

[void moat]

crust king goat has the most hp cause hes tuff like that

[terse heart]

I sure wonder what happened

[cedar trench]

goes down in less than a minute

[void moat]

still has the most health

[terse heart]

I sure wonder what could've ever happened

[cedar trench]

1k is a lot by that point and the constant phasing out of the floor is annoying AT BEST

[ornate perch]

You can break it????

[versed pollen]

Do you really think I have the energy to be sincere in a public server chat overridden with children

[terse heart]

I'm not saying nothing about nothing

[ornate perch]

Was it the gramophone robot thing under the Unraveled?

[void moat]

unravelled just feels like he has alot of hp cause half of the fight is you getting 1-2 hits in before he ducks and half of his moves make him go under the floor for like 35s at a time

[atomic sparrow]

yeah its annoying
imagine doing it with reaper crest 😭 one hit per sometimes

[void agate]

whats ur guys favorite ost

[ornate perch]

I always saw it but I didn’t think it was the confession thing

[terse heart]

[void moat]

crust king khann

[odd hull]

from silksong? uhh GMS theme

[void moat]

yes

[ornate perch]

I abused Snare Setter last time I defeated him

[cedar trench]

My first attempt 🐟🐟🐟

[void agate]

do not diss reaper crest my beloved

[void moat]

it's a fake robot for the confessional that just tells them to get back to work

[cedar trench]

Phantom then steps

[ornate perch]

Holy that was genuinely a very scary fight for my Steel Soul

[void agate]

w choice

[void moat]

to further greaten the abuse towards the common bugs

[hybrid flare]

unravelled when fucking tacks

[versed pollen]

Unravelled when he fucking sucks

[hybrid flare]

Unravelled honestly overhated

He's mid at best

[odd hull]

Unravelled when

[void agate]

i hated him sm

[odd hull]

Thanks

[versed pollen]

I think Unravelled deserves every drop of hate directed towards their way

[long grove]

try Inside or Limbo

[terse heart]

Is it possible

[void moat]

how the unravelled feels wearing a conductors mantle while not giving us any more conductor lore

[hybrid flare]

what

[fiery burrow]

unravelled is a mediocre fight that forces you to spend like 1 hour waiting to be able to hit him

So its the worst one on god

Doesn't help that the hitbox is bad

[hybrid flare]

Except you can shred him very easily lmfao

[versed pollen]

I mean it's really just the same thing as Elder Hu but with more HP

[hybrid flare]

The worst offense he commits is uh being fat

[fiery burrow]

That's every SS boss because SS is a bad game

[versed pollen]

Oh so you consider being fat an offense now

[hybrid flare]

Yeah its clear that the waffen SS wasn't good duh

[hybrid flare]

The unravelled is a chud because he's fat

[versed pollen]

Real elegant

[cunning geode]

:/

[clear fulcrum]

yeah almost every boss in silksong is designed this way too

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/beetle-unboxing-spider-unboxing-unboxing-beetle-gif-23449000

[clear fulcrum]

tbf he's much more fun than trobbio

[fiery burrow]

its just unravelled really

[hybrid flare]

Yeah every boss in silksong is ass

[long grove]

quit the game an try Inside or Limbo LOL Unravelled it's not overhated ;-;

[clear fulcrum]

Almost every boss in this game requires you to hit them when they are attacking/or immediately after

[hybrid flare]

we should be fighting quality bosses like flesh prison or atmos

[fiery burrow]

attmos is genuinely good

[clear fulcrum]

or the watcher knights 🤤

[hybrid flare]

no he's fucking not

most mediocre forgettable fight oat

[fiery burrow]

not really, the needle slash is instantaneous and you have plenty of ranged options

[hybrid flare]

That is unironically a good boss you can't put that in there

[clear fulcrum]

Needle slash being instant doesn't mean that much here? Like sure, i can instantly hit the bell beast, but it doesn't matter because she only comes out to attack.

[versed pollen]

I thought Trobbio was fine. A lot of people tell me they get flashbanged but I'm photosensitive and I thought it was fine. Probably because I'm goated

[clear fulcrum]

how so

[fiery burrow]

oh I misread

[fiery coral]

Trobbio was pretty cool I thought, yeah

[fiery burrow]

yea bell beast is slop so is unravelled but I don't think they are representative of all SS bosses

[clear fulcrum]

yeah the effects suck, but like his boss design is genuinely abbhorent

[fiery coral]

First Sinner and Widow would be top two though

[versed pollen]

Butter on toast nuke this guy

[hybrid flare]

Good gank fight, need to space the knights around and make use of their positions

[hybrid flare]

Bell beast is alright tbf

Unravelled is slop

[clear fulcrum]

Widow? Phantom? Trobbio? Conchflies? Not all of them but a majority follow this design philosophy

[hybrid flare]

But unravelled is the best worst boss

Because the spears are fucking dope

[clear fulcrum]

I see that but the wide arena is so annoying

[fiery coral]

There's something about Widow's fight that sticks with me more than any other boss, and then FS is just that but a bit harder

[hybrid flare]

that's what makes the fight manageable btw

[void moat]

widow has cool bells

[hybrid flare]

Widow is just a better fs

[versed pollen]

I tend to like Widow more than FS just because you have less gear by that point

[clear fulcrum]

yeah it def picks up around spears, it's just that he has so much hp and so little time to attack him, so getting to spears is a slog every time

[fiery coral]

I think Unravelled was the last boss I fought

[fiery burrow]

those are pretty much always attacking except for trobbio and conchflies so its not really an issue imo

[hybrid flare]

I shredded the unravelled tbf

[ornate perch]

Single conchfly better imo

[versed pollen]

But also low gear FS kinda sucks so maybe FS has always been super poo

[clear fulcrum]

Not necessarily? Team cherry designs the game, they could have totally made a few adjustments to the knights that made it more fair and fun.

[hybrid flare]

they're a fair and fun fight

[versed pollen]

WK are very fair what are we saying

[fiery coral]

CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG from all angles and then you have the violins going berserk in the background

[hybrid flare]

Sometimes the knights do get a bit quirky and start doing the roll and bounce bullshit but that's about it

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah it's lessened, but it's the exact same as NKG 😭

[atomic sparrow]

gasp berserk?

[versed pollen]

They have like 3 simple things they can do. It's just that there's two of them

[clear fulcrum]

i agree

i think single conchfly is a top 5 boss

[atomic sparrow]

whats the other 4

[hybrid flare]

[quartz cave]

cool map

[clear fulcrum]

i said more fair and fun

[void agate]

guys whats the best boss out if

[hybrid flare]

They're tuned to be fair and fun to perfection

[versed pollen]

I have no idea what is going on here

[clear fulcrum]

let me look at my tierlist

[hybrid flare]

we don't talk about roll and bounce bullshit

[void agate]

whats the best boss out of both games

[hybrid flare]

Lost lace or karmegoata

[versed pollen]

AR

[quartz cave]

https://join.btd6.com/Map/ZFUEGEO

[fiery coral]

NKG or First Sinner

[cunning geode]

gpz

[clear fulcrum]

when did you do him? Recently I tried him as soon as i possibly could and it was a sloooog

[quartz cave]

ZFUEGEO huh cool

[fiery coral]

Wombat

[cunning geode]

here comes the hatemail

[clear fulcrum]

First sinner

[fiery coral]

[quartz cave]

giving the fire map turned ice map a code that literally says fuego

[hybrid flare]

Yeah he is slog but you can outdps the fuck out of him

[quartz cave]

stop teasing me ninjakiwi GIVE US A FIRE BASED MAP

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/momotaros-momo-kamen-rider-den-o-imagin-den-liner-gif-7865744028878706472

[versed pollen]

Okay based on objective design principles maybe like Karmalita or GPZ but I've only fought Karmalita 2 times so I have no judgement. I just like AR the best

[hybrid flare]

whos AR

[fiery coral]

I do love NKG though, everything about his presentation was perfect

[clear fulcrum]

aestheticslop

[hybrid flare]

oh its absrad

[versed pollen]

Absolute Radiance

[void agate]

absrad i think

[hybrid flare]

No absrad is def a boring-ish boss

[clear fulcrum]

notice how you're mentioning presentation

[fiery coral]

AbsRad is the worst boss of all time

[versed pollen]

Boring-ish if you laugh you go to hell

[fiery coral]

Hate hate hate

[void agate]

radiance vs radiance with a gun

[hybrid flare]

Lwk chud ass boss it's a dream warrior on roids

[clear fulcrum]

you like NKG 😭

[versed pollen]

Literally the only boss in the game where you need to think

[hybrid flare]

How do you like it you're such a chud

[versed pollen]

GPZ is a maybe. Maybe thinking. Might be thinking

[hybrid flare]

[fiery coral]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-piglet-wave-hello-confused-gif-3525110

[hybrid flare]

Gpz is peak but not that good imo

[versed pollen]

And I don't like Collector so it doesn't count

[void agate]

guys its obviously

[cunning geode]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a9e87efa9e4693a1d0a9cc764e8da5c/95cb43d335b151f2-65/s400x600/45ddf944d7e8cf6fac0fb2b125a571326763375a.gif

[hybrid flare]

Your definition of thinking must be a weird one to consider collector

[fiery coral]

How's it going?

[versed pollen]

Did not spoiler tag the image of the bug. Mods. Annihilate this user

[cunning geode]

is just a weevil

[versed pollen]

I encourage you to try Collector with old nail

[hybrid flare]

But then again tasque manager chud pfp

[atomic sparrow]

nah this weevil is lowk chill

[cunning geode]

sigh guess i gotta play Eviternity 2 on Annihilate Me difficulty again

[void agate]

PV

[hybrid flare]

Shade soul

[fiery coral]

PV is pretty cool

[versed pollen]

Okay chuddy I feel like I was obviously alluding to using white spells too

[void agate]

or karmaletta

[hybrid flare]

Oh yeah let me sabotage myself to make the boss more unbearable

[void agate]

maybe seth

[quartz cave]

also that makes three

[versed pollen]

And it requires thought doesn't it now

[fiery coral]

Seth didn't feel very remarkable to me mechanically, personally

[hybrid flare]

No it doesn't because the summons are a load of bs and are designed to die instantly on the field

[versed pollen]

Idk I liked Seth the few times I fought him

[atomic sparrow]

seth is good but I don't think its in contention of being the goat y'know

[hybrid flare]

Seth is good but that's it kinda

[fiery coral]

Karmelita was pretty nice but not top tier in my view

[void agate]

Idk why be the way how he cant stay still reminds me of sly

[hybrid flare]

Karmelita just mogs every boss in the series (except lost lace)

it's not rlly close either

[versed pollen]

Designed so that you can make the fight easier by one hitting them. P5AB Collector was specifically playtested and adjusted

[austere vessel]

any leaks regarding DLC? or was this steam ocean rumour just nothing

[hybrid flare]

P5AB and playtested 😭

[odd hull]

Just nothing

[clear fulcrum]

seth is horrible LOL

he's a worse NKG in like every way

[void agate]

nein

[versed pollen]

Worse NKG 😭

[hybrid flare]

2 completely different bosses

[clear fulcrum]

how do we even really get leaks from an indie studio

[fiery coral]

Was there anything after Sea of Sorrow

[clear fulcrum]

more racist hitler

[clear fulcrum]

Same design philosophy?

[hybrid flare]

Chat lost lace is a better bell beast

[versed pollen]

Graig literally said he played P5AB during playtesting and requested to have the HP of the adds adjusted

[odd hull]

Real

[fiery coral]

Lost Lace was a surprising choice of final boss, I thought

[atomic sparrow]

no there's nothing we have on the dlc except what TC has said 2026 release date and that one blog and trailer thats it

[hybrid flare]

Doesn't change the fact that its still ass and the summons aren't meant to be on the field for more than 3 seconds

[patent heath]

UNQ.

[clear fulcrum]

Well yeah, they follow the same design principles. Except Seth is complicated enough to actually be considered NKG adjacent

[hybrid flare]

It fits

[austere vessel]

breh, fairs

[versed pollen]

It does make the fight far more interesting though

[fiery coral]

Like yeah Lace has been present for a while in the story but...I don't know, didn't feel like final boss material character-wise

[hybrid flare]

No they don't

[clear fulcrum]

most people think that but it's really just because act 3 sucks tbf

[long grove]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hNstrhCxDdIBCg7BywO4bVQNE_uE59_JaFpZiz3YTjE/https/media.tenor.com/uvSO8nsNPq4AAAPo/post-this-cat-ryujinr.mp4

[fiery coral]

GMR.

[odd hull]

Karmelita is better than Lost Lace imo, but ll is second probably. And yeah, they are on another level completely

[hybrid flare]

Making the collector worse isn't a better up

[versed pollen]

I don't really think complexity is a good factor to use to claim two bosses are similar

[versed pollen]

Worse is absurd. The original boss is nothingburger

[clear fulcrum]

I attack, you wait and then punish my attack. It's LITERALLY the same philosophy.

[patent heath]

I find it ironic that the person known for sending others to sleep is up so late.

[hybrid flare]

"Oh yeah they follow the same design principle of you needing to hit the boss for it to die"

[hybrid flare]

every boss ever

[atomic sparrow]

that's so broad

[versed pollen]

If you laugh you go to hell

[fiery coral]

I'm in a different country right now :)

[patent heath]

I see.

[hybrid flare]

yeah now it's straight up painful to play against

[fiery coral]

But yes you should sleep

[hybrid flare]

lost lace is a worse minos prime

[patent heath]

Is that like, not every boss in HK or SS?

[hybrid flare]

and minos prime is a worse eigong

[clear fulcrum]

Karmelita? You attack me constantly and try to react to my attacks while playing in my face. A teleporting boss is completely different from one that is always on the screen.

[hybrid flare]

and eigong is a worse artorias

[clear fulcrum]

Idk why you're acting purposefully dense when people have had problems with NKG's design since forever

[patent heath]

Exam week. I am studying. Just taking a 15 minute break right now.

[hybrid flare]

You see attack, you dodge attack, you hit the boss

that works for both

[fiery coral]

15 minute break at that time??

Go to bed, rest well

[versed pollen]

I would argue the dynamic of having to manage a slew of adds in combination with the simple boss makes it more fun to play against

[clear fulcrum]

How are you playing Karmelita? You can CHOOSE to play this way with her, but it's not required. Thanks for proving my point.

[clear fulcrum]

savage beastfly

[hybrid flare]

uhhh what???

[patent heath]

This is why I am on my phone. Because if I am not, I'll fall asleep.

[fiery coral]

That's more useful than cramming right now

[hybrid flare]

what the fuck are you saying lmao

[fiery coral]

Yeah go to sleep

This is not the time

[hybrid flare]

That's literally every boss ever it doesnt apply to karmelita or nkg only

[patent heath]

Yeah, but I'll sleep for like, 5 hours after the paper is done.

[heady iron]

What boss could we turn into the next p5 collector

[opaque sigil]

in short crawfather is the goat

[clear fulcrum]

you JUST said that you played Karmelita that way, but I know myself and many others played against her super aggresively, which changes the entire dynamic of the fight.

[hybrid flare]

yeah crawfather does it well

[fiery coral]

5 hours is not enough either 🙃

[versed pollen]

The difference between Savage Beastfly and Collector is that Beastfly uses arena wide distruptive moves as opposed to just little jumps

[patent heath]

Okay but Beastfly is better.

[void agate]

im procrastinating rn 🙂

[patent heath]

Gee weelickers.

[hybrid flare]

You can play aggro against every boss in the series

[heady iron]

Make signis and gron spawn flintflame flyers

[hybrid flare]

Savage beastfly 2 is more fun than collector imo

[fervent bough]

Grand father flame is the most annoying boss fight

[patent heath]

Yeah, that happens a lot.

[atomic sparrow]

🥹 Grand Father Song

[clear fulcrum]

Try playing aggro against seth horizontally and you just take a ton of damage? If you try punish most of his attacks horizontally it's never safe, and he'll most likely dash anyways, which you punish with a pogo.

[odd hull]

My goat

[fervent bough]

Not being able to heal silk is absolutely tedious 😂

[versed pollen]

I think I would like Beastfly 2 more if you could deflect the projectiles of those adds. Or really do anything to interact with them

[hybrid flare]

Yeah i do usually play aggro and do a shit ton of damage

[clear fulcrum]

You can't even aggro pinstress reliably this is such a lie

[hybrid flare]

punishing a boss frequently is also playing aggro

[clear fulcrum]

no it's playing reactively pretty well.

[hybrid flare]

Yes you fucking can if you have fingers

[void agate]

i just need to delete everything off my phone for the next month, but then clash royale does a free hero giveaway so i fold in 2.8 seconds

[versed pollen]

I don't know enough about Seth but you can play pretty aggressively against NKG

[cunning geode]

CLASH ROYALE is what makes you fold?

[clear fulcrum]

If the boss is fast, and you can react, then you aren't being Aggressive, you're just doing the only thing you can 😭

[versed pollen]

Like NKG just teleports to the same location every single time and doesn't move of course you can

[cunning geode]

i respect the grind

[clear fulcrum]

This isn't nearly the same as playing Aggro against a boss like Karmelita tho

[hybrid flare]

Seth is also very susceptible to get aggromogged because he has specific patterns he follows that i can just exploit

[fiery burrow]

seth has beast

[clear fulcrum]

Without taking any damage? Or are you just boosting through.

[fiery burrow]

problem solved

[void agate]

i just need hero bowler then i can delete it again

[hybrid flare]

I've no hit seth and played aggro against him yeah

[versed pollen]

That comment was more like a point against Seth and NKG being similar

[clear fulcrum]

but you just said that your definition of aggro is just reactively playing 😭

[hybrid flare]

No i didn't

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-the-woz-nintendo-gex-no-god-no-borderline-forever-gif-21967032

[thorn sparrow]

Bro threefold pin just carried me in the widow fight lol

[cunning geode]

some of these words man

[patent heath]

Defeating him radiant in like, 32 seconds is pretty fun.

[clear fulcrum]

you just said this

[patent heath]

That's my best time, I think.

[hybrid flare]

Reactively playing is a big part of being aggro but it's rlly not all

[versed pollen]

NKG does pillars and you can annihilate his entire healthbar because you're bored

[atomic sparrow]

its peak!

[void agate]

ok bye guys im gonna get back to physics

[atomic sparrow]

🥹

[hybrid flare]

oh glorious

[clear fulcrum]

isn't that just him having a set pattern before attacks that you can react to? How is that not the same as just punishing his attacks.

[fiery coral]

[versed pollen]

Laugh at this user

[odd hull]

This is really well done

[clear fulcrum]

this is punishing his attack

[clear fulcrum]

Reactively playing is the bare minimum? You should be reacting to bosses anyway, if you're punishing moves then you're just playing normally.

[patent heath]

The 22 hit nail combo is such an insane thing to witness.

[cunning geode]

what is the other option, just attacking and not getting hit

[clear fulcrum]

I prefer bosses that have attacking them as the main objective, and that you have to weave in attacks while being attacked by them.

[versed pollen]

I am very confused as to what playing aggressively is

[hybrid flare]

Reactively playing while you're going all out on getting damage on the boss without the need to wait for it to open its damage window blah blah blah

[clear fulcrum]

Something like the Radiance is the obvious answer, but not all bosses can be designed like her.

At a very basic level the fourth chorus is the same

[fiery burrow]

I prefer bosses that have attacking them as the main objective 🧐

[clear fulcrum]

you're continously attacking her regardless of windows, that means you're never waiting for damage

[hybrid flare]

I prefer bosses that i can kill by dealing damage

[fiery coral]

I prefer bosses

[hybrid flare]

I

[clear fulcrum]

punishing bosses is what you guys are talking about, this inherently creates waiting periods for easier bosses, and binary gameplay for harder bosses.

[fiery burrow]

HK doesn't really do punishes per se its not like you're ever really locked into an attack

[clear fulcrum]

The bosses are being punished

not the player

[versed pollen]

Okay but you are definitely responding to a number of the attacks AR does. The relationship between you and AR isn't more dynamic because the windows don't matter. It's because both parties have more freedom over the battlefield

[fiery burrow]

What?

[whole moon]

since we are talking about bosses, lemme complain for a bit

absolute radiance is ass

[fiery coral]

Agreed!

[versed pollen]

Loser above

[fiery coral]

:(

[patent heath]

[atomic sparrow]

winner above

[fiery burrow]

You can always play aggro cuz your attacks are literally instantaneous there's not really a boss that doesn't allow for that unless they literally become invincible

[fiery coral]

:D

[whole moon]

There has not been a single time I enjoyed fighting her, everytime I did I felt like I was having a massive headache

[clear fulcrum]

I'm not asking for zero responses! and i'm specifically talking about the base radiance, haven't fought AR since she came out. Radiance is just a harder fourth chorus, and while you may have waiting periods (because not all of her attacks are perfect with the ai), your job isn't to wait for her attacks and punish them, it's to attack her and avoid being damaged. Does that kinda make sense?

[patent heath]

Real.

[cunning geode]

so a bossfight is binary unless the boss attacks fast enough that the time between your attack landing and the boss's next attack is minimal?

[whole moon]

ita like why add the pogoing phase in the first place? Its just ridiculous and drags on

[clear fulcrum]

Seth will literally delete your hp bar if you approach him?? Almost any time the average player will damage him is in a response to HIS attacks.

[whole moon]

The climbing phase makes me wanna violently punch my screen

Everything else is fine, its the climbing phase that is so mind numbingly stupid

[versed pollen]

It makes sense only in the cases where you aren't punishing Radiance's attacks

[fiery coral]

For me it's like why not go for something - anything - more creative for the final boss of the final Pantheon

[fiery burrow]

I forgot this was about Seth lowk he's kinda unique in that regard but there are still some opportunities to play "traditionally" aggressive

[clear fulcrum]

No? this is just NKG. I'm saying that teleporting bosses, or movement from a boss that means you can only attack them when THEY are attacking, becomes binary because you're just responding to attacks the same way over and over again. Positionining becomes way less vital.

[fervent bough]

Finally killed grandfather flame

[fiery burrow]

But I see wym

[whole moon]

The last one is just bad, its god awful

[cunning geode]

so what boss doesnt do this then

[clear fulcrum]

The radiance doesn't ever change when she attacks, she still moves locations but when you attack her it's not as a response, it's as a choice.

[clear fulcrum]

not really, stuff like bell beast requires you to just wait until he pops out to attack.

If sister splinter was faster she would genuinely be a kinda fun boss, with minimal disappearing

[fiery burrow]

Yea I agree bosses becoming invincible kinda sucks

Unless is like semi interesting like Seth

[versed pollen]

Exploiting face beams and spears are two dominant attack windows that are definitely as a response

[clear fulcrum]

moorwing is fun because you can be aggressive too, while also being punished for not giving him space when he dashes. It's not like you don't have to know his blade patterns, but you don't have to react to only his moves to deal damage.

[clear fulcrum]

I said that the radiance wasn't 100% non reactive, most bosses never will be.

[whole moon]

Say that again

[clear fulcrum]

Also having attacks that are punishable isn't bad, it's just when a majority of the fight IS that

like trobbio

[versed pollen]

I feel like this reduction of attack-punishment ignores that fact the the Seth and NKG comparison is ridiculous to me specifically because the most dominant factor in NKG's fight is that they teleport to the same location every single time

[clear fulcrum]

seth isn't interesting, unless there's some hidden tech I know about, I dealt with him pretty easily when I realized it's just easier to wait for him to do his dashes and pogo him

[whole moon]

The unravelled and father of the flame....

I hate those and dont get me started on the pinstress

She is so disappointing like actually

[ornate perch]

I haven’t played hk so I can’t give any opinion

[clear fulcrum]

So you're saying that NKG just rewards you for understanding his patterns even more?

[fiery burrow]

Its been a while since I've played the game lowk so I don't really have any specific rebuttals I just remember finding the fight fun and interesting

[clear fulcrum]

That doesn't exactly change what I'm saying

[versed pollen]

I'm saying they're a cookie cutter boss with no possibility for variation

[atomic sparrow]

liking silksong? here? shame on you

[clear fulcrum]

I could understand seeing this when it's the start of act 3

[versed pollen]

The teleportation with the shield feels far more varied than the teleportation between attacks NKG does

[clear fulcrum]

So you're saying that NKG is far less interesting because he can be punished way too fast and easily?

[grand rapids]

Do u guys think sea of sorry coming out this month?

[versed pollen]

Sure, if that's how you would describe doing the exact same thing every time

[clear fulcrum]

father of the flame is fun

[atomic sparrow]

no

[clear fulcrum]

nope

[whole moon]

No healing

[clear fulcrum]

But that's exactly how seth works too? If it's harder to punish then whatever, but there's no actual variance regardless.

[tight viper]

Just don’t get hit

[clear fulcrum]

When I fight seth i do the exact same thing every time and let him come to me so that I can react to his moves in the exact same way every time

[fervent bough]

How do I get to this flea. Does anyone know? I can't remember

[clear fulcrum]

like unless they'res some hidden seth tech I think thats how msot people fight him

[tight viper]

Mist

[fervent bough]

Is it in bile water? I don't know why I thought it was in underworks

[fiery burrow]

😍

[clear fulcrum]

exactly!!

[whole moon]

True ig

[clear fulcrum]

it's okay to have bosses that are different

[versed pollen]

I have hardly any experience with Seth but on my winning Silksong boss attempts I usually found myself thinking on my feet more often than HK bosses

[clear fulcrum]

This seems like a pacing/hp issues more than anything tbh

[polar anchor]

yall why are the vcs locked?

[fiery burrow]

pufferfish is a crazy fumble

[clear fulcrum]

Like you're not actually engaging with most of his moveset, you're just cheesing his abusable moves and skipping the others.

[fiery burrow]

barely any room to really engage with the boss and its mandatory like 3 times

[versed pollen]

There's not a lot to engage with in NKG

[fervent bough]

So does anyone know how to get to that flea

[clear fulcrum]

Well he is harder tbh and I'm not sure if you can even cheese him without tools

[fervent bough]

It's the only one I'm missing

[atomic sparrow]

secret exit out of organ

[versed pollen]

The most common method of melting Seth I've seen is using the Beast bind to attack through the shield

[fervent bough]

Thanks

[clear fulcrum]

That's why i said it was an hp issue? Like even if you want to argue that his base moveset isn't fun you're still skipping past all of it 😭

[clear fulcrum]

like when he blocks attacks?

[fiery burrow]

It'd suck if he had more HP too

But yeah partly

[clear fulcrum]

Sure, but at least experiencing his moveset would be mandatory?

[versed pollen]

Yea

[clear fulcrum]

At least you still have to interact with him i guess

It's melty but in the later phases he attacks so fast that you'd probably have to damage boost to get that much value out of his shield not working

[versed pollen]

I wouldn't know anything about that. I don't use Beast

[desert fjord]

What happens if you don't do the ||quicktime event after the final act 3|| boss ?
(question contains a spoiler for the final act)

[fervent bough]

I use wanderers crest with the long claw

[clear fulcrum]

don't you just have inf time to do it

[fiery burrow]

we should be elitist towards people who don't use all 6 crests lowk

[clear fulcrum]

riveting

[clear fulcrum]

arent there 7?

[atomic sparrow]

uh oh

[versed pollen]

I've done like 2 playthroughs dawg chill on me

[fiery burrow]

Is there

[desert fjord]

aww, I was wondering if there was another cutscene that could trigger. Sad to hear this.

[fiery burrow]

Well reaper doesn't count anyway

[atomic sparrow]

hunter reaper wanderer architect witch shaman beast

[fiery burrow]

I've done like 3 and didn't finish lost lace on 2 of them you have no excuse

[clear fulcrum]

Well I think they'd like to avoid the whole cutscene suddenly turning into a qte that could ruin your run thing

[versed pollen]

Okay well I have used Beast I just decided I didn't like it and stopped

[fervent bough]

I don't like the shaman crest ngl

[atomic sparrow]

I've done 3 100% ya noob. get out of this channel.

[fiery burrow]

I've decided I don't like you and blocked

[versed pollen]

That's fair

[clear fulcrum]

dude who would even want to use the shaman, architect, wanderer, and reaper crest?

[atomic sparrow]

me

[clear fulcrum]

even witch gets broken in act 3

[fiery burrow]

The less silksong playthroughs the better

[fervent bough]

I hated wanderer crest until you get to the long claw

Before then I despised it

[versed pollen]

All of my opinions on Silksong bosses are dogshit until I'm as good at Silksong as I am at HK

[clear fulcrum]

not sure if long claw is even good.. what situation in act 3 really requires you to be far away from a boss

[versed pollen]

This is the way it is

[fervent bough]

I like the reach

[fiery burrow]

When you get good at HK you start believing silly things like "Collector is a good boss" and "NKG is slop"

[versed pollen]

Both of these are true

[clear fulcrum]

Not rlly tbf, playing NKG like star did wasn't the dev's vision. You could say any SS boss sucks because you can cheese them with tools yknow.

it's fairly obvious what the intended design of the bosses is

[fiery burrow]

I can and do say that

[versed pollen]

The interaction with NKG's attacks aren't exactly very interesting either

[fiery burrow]

Always 2 steps ahead

[clear fulcrum]

That's the systems being unbalanced not the bosses tho

[exotic cedar]

slop king grimm

[fervent bough]

You could say that about elden ring too. Over magic

[clear fulcrum]

I agree! But I wouldnt judge him based on the fact that a good player can skip every phase

[fiery burrow]

if the combat is mid bosses are mid too sorry

[fervent bough]

Magic and summons

[clear fulcrum]

the combat in SS isn't mid though.. most of it revolves AROUND the boss design, meaning the bosses are the most influential part.

[versed pollen]

Most players don't. We don't really like NKG because it's one note

[halcyon socket]

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah so why would you ever need to be super good at a boss to judge them? None of them are so complicated that they couldn't be explained in a single google doc page.

[fiery burrow]

I think NKG is like b tier

Its pretty fun the first time

[atomic sparrow]

nkg is ass because he's read and we all love green

[fervent bough]

I like killing bosses with the nail. I hardly ever use tools

[versed pollen]

Because I don't really develop strong opinions on bosses before that

[clear fulcrum]

that's like almost everything in HK 😭

[versed pollen]

Neither do I feel like I have a thorough understanding of a boss before that

[fiery burrow]

He's reading? In HK? 😨

[fervent bough]

Tools are still fun though

[clear fulcrum]

most people who like video games do this

[clear fulcrum]

what is so complicated about Last Judge that stops you from understanding them?

[fiery burrow]

Yeah its not a big deal that the fight gets stale in Godhome

But it does mean he's not as good as the bosses that don't get stale

[clear fulcrum]

I mean it kinda is a big deal, it means that learning his attacks was the fun part, not actuallly reacting to them.

[fiery burrow]

HK's combat system is so simple that this is going to be the case for most bosses

[clear fulcrum]

It's like learning that sinners road only has one thing to do prior to act 1, the first time you go through sinners road you have all these ideas in your head, the second time it's just going the same route every time (which is pretty simple)

[versed pollen]

I would neither claim that I am familiar with their tells, nor how to thoroughly evaluate my positioning and how to abuse it

[clear fulcrum]

how many times have you played silksong?

[versed pollen]

2

[fiery burrow]

larper

[clear fulcrum]

when was the last time

[versed pollen]

Few months back

[clear fulcrum]

that makes sense i gues

you just dont remember them

[fiery burrow]

this guy actively plays silksong

[versed pollen]

I mean I do remember hardly understanding TLJ though

[lusty grove]

Khann is kinda evil

[atomic sparrow]

going through silksong waiting for coral gorge and sharpe 🥹

[worldly umbra]

kinda is an understatement

[clear fulcrum]

Well it's simple if you don't wanna abuse stuff

[clear fulcrum]

sharpe's gonna have his own entire godhome dlc bro dont worry

[clear fulcrum]

not rlly?

[lusty grove]

he was pretty much a fascist

[clear fulcrum]

did you just equip magma bell both times?

[versed pollen]

No

[edgy girder]

god silksong without blurred backgrounds is beautiful

[clear fulcrum]

Really no evidence of this whatsoever lol, his army loved him.

[clear fulcrum]

how do you face tank last judge

[fiery burrow]

idk about fascist but his achievement is called tyrant

def not a nice guy

[versed pollen]

I just waltzed over the first time and last time I did it with no needle, mask, spool, or tool upgrades

[graceful oyster]

Nightmare King Grynne 😈

[fiery burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246412435292946456/1470048931466576057/image0.gif

[versed pollen]

Why does he do a dance

[atomic sparrow]

why not

[clear fulcrum]

Sure I guess, but he thinks of his army really positively. So much so that his army is a bigger threat than him in his mind. SS doesn't really do act 3 well, i mean someone yesterday was pointing out that it's hilarious for the defiant army to not actually die directly in a fight against the citadel

[lusty grove]

he wanted to weak to die and his army to conquer everything
very fascist to me

[clear fulcrum]

he sounds supportive!

[lusty grove]

he killed bugs he considered weaker

[fiery burrow]

Iunno what that has to do with the convo but more act 3 slander please 🗣️

[clear fulcrum]

"surpass your limits" bro is talking like All Might.. A facist would look down on all below them

[terse heart]

👀

[lusty grove]

and tried (and achieved) to establish an empire

[clear fulcrum]

they are territorial bugs? obviously they conquered those around them

[worldly umbra]

so basically the viltrum empire

[fiery burrow]

woah so he's like senator armstrong

armstrong was the good guy in MGRR so khann must be too 🧐

[lusty grove]

you seem to be focusing on one thing in the middle of many other things

[clear fulcrum]

we need way more if we want TC to fix it

[lusty grove]

no he's more like eugenics

[fiery burrow]

oh like a certain princess protector gotcha

[atomic sparrow]

[fiery burrow]

she's also a good guy though so the point stands

[terse heart]

guys have you ever accidently typed a search thing in here

[fiery burrow]

like a google search or something

[lusty grove]

idk what media you're mentioning but if the "good guy" supports eugenics then I'll assume it's US propaganda

[terse heart]

yes

[fiery burrow]

holy larp

[lusty grove]

FYM LARP

[fiery burrow]

yea i think

[versed pollen]

She's talking about Silksong

[clear fulcrum]

Well yeah, because the game can TELL us that he's a super bad dude, but they never show us any evidence of that ever being the case. His army loved him, he loved them, but apparently he killed everyone below him, but he considered his army to be stronger than him, they were a defiant strong race that chose to whither away instead of fighting. It's just contradicting stuff everywhere.

[terse heart]

https://klipy.com/gifs/larp-1--k01KRYHCT3WYT1BHAX7T1F16Z90

[fiery burrow]

larp larp larp sahur

[atomic sparrow]

Larp alert Laaaaaaaaarp alert

[clear fulcrum]

oh my god 😭

[terse heart]

los angelos roleplay police

[lusty grove]

oh princess protector like Hornet? yeah she's pretty evil

[clear fulcrum]

Hornet is evil... because?

[lusty grove]

I wouldn't consider her a good person, she just did some good things

[fiery burrow]

at least we can agree silksong is propaganda

[atomic sparrow]

w slabfly journal entries

[terse heart]

PP hornet?

[fathom schooner]

Hornet has sinned, last judge proves it

[atomic sparrow]

slabfly journal entries

[lusty grove]

racist homophobic mass murderer

[fathom schooner]

Those entries are valid Ngl

[clear fulcrum]

Sinning doesn't exactly mean that you're a bad person lol

[fiery burrow]

hornet's first line is literally sexist

[clear fulcrum]

based? more mass murder please?

[fiery burrow]

crazy work on team cherry's part!

[atomic sparrow]

w team cherry!

[fiery burrow]

the game also supports ethnonationalist worldviews

[fathom schooner]

Flies are WORTHLESS and should insert meme you know the one

[clear fulcrum]

dude racism can't even exist in HK

[fathom schooner]

Its specisism

[clear fulcrum]

all of the bugs are different in some sort of way + hornet is objectively superior to all of them

[fiery burrow]

Different types of bugs are kinda analogous since they're all anthropomorphized

[fathom schooner]

Hornets blood makes her wanna dominate bugs below her

[clear fulcrum]

eugenics are totally real in the HK universe, and racism is valid. Would you call a Lion racist for thinking he's stronger than a house cat?

[clear fulcrum]

put me below hornet pls

[lusty grove]

yknow, when she killed hundreds if not thousands of bugs just to get a memento, or when she killed Green Prince for no reason, or when she went out of her way to kill Voltvyrm which was not Haunted, or when she killed many, many vessels, or when she-

[fiery burrow]

slabflies being oppressed is kinda the point though

[fathom schooner]

No reason HE WANTED TO DIE

[fiery burrow]

them being portrayed as inherently evil goes against that

[fathom schooner]

The citadel oppressed everyone

[lusty grove]

WILD thing to say

[versed pollen]

I think I would say a lion was fucked up if it had human thought capabilities and said all house cats deserve to die because they're ugly

[terse heart]

Wild?

[clear fulcrum]

when did she killed hundreds and thousands of bugs? seriously asking? Also the green prince thing is more of a kickstarter backer element than anything. Totally a world where she doesn't do that.

[fiery burrow]

zootopia wrote about this

[clear fulcrum]

Also the voltvyrm can't even think? it's the same as killing a tree atp

[fiery burrow]

is green prince a backer

[atomic sparrow]

no

[versed pollen]

Facts........

[lusty grove]

when she got the Hunter's Memento

[clear fulcrum]

it's really specism like hell said

[fiery burrow]

that's what I thought but team cherry legit hasn't done a fanmade character justice like ever

its genuinely impressive bro what is their deal

[clear fulcrum]

Dude almost all of them attack her first?

[versed pollen]

I thought it was just the 3 hearts and Green Prince was a whole other thing

[clear fulcrum]

sharpe 🙂‍↕️

[lusty grove]

Voltvyrm is still crucial to Karak's ecossystem, and that reminds me of the Wood Wasps

[exotic cedar]

hornet likes killing judge babies

[fiery burrow]

cutting sharpe and then not telling the backer lmao

[exotic cedar]

ermmm its for the journal

[fiery burrow]

cutting all of seth's lore and just sticking him somewhere random

[clear fulcrum]

i mean he's non required for a reason, seems like a cool thing to do that was made for the players lol.

[fiery burrow]

every dream warrior 😭

[atomic sparrow]

yeah like whats up with that 😭 like are you really that busy

[lusty grove]

she could just not hunt them down

[lusty grove]

he's gonna come back

[clear fulcrum]

literally name one way he interacts with it? We only see it in a very secluded place by itself..

[versed pollen]

I think they're just so disconnected they figured it would be fine

[lusty grove]

Seth had lore?

[fiery burrow]

I was white knighting team cherry during the great communication wars 😔

[terse heart]

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOBIO

[atomic sparrow]

probably

[fiery burrow]

Seth had some more lore when he was revealed

[clear fulcrum]

they were literal slaves to a god.. death is mercy here..

[fiery burrow]

Nowadays he doesn't even make sense in the world

[lusty grove]

Voltvyrm IS the place

[lusty grove]

the god she was gonna kill

[clear fulcrum]

they're planning for the city of steel to be the godhome dlc atp that's probably why he wasn't in silksong

[lusty grove]

like, she was about to save everyone there

[fiery burrow]

i'm all for hornet slander but hunters journal seems fine

[cunning geode]

trust his representation in steel city dlc is gonna be so monumentally good its gonna shatter the internet like spamton

[versed pollen]

That doesn't really have much to do with not telling the backer though

[cunning geode]

wait maybe thats not a good thing

[clear fulcrum]

you're arguing stuff that is there for gameplay? Why did our heroine kill bugs... players just want to run and jump!!

[fiery burrow]

sharpe is gonna be the best boss in the series surely

[atomic sparrow]

with wingsmould, slabflys and do i almost feel fear?

[clear fulcrum]

yeah and its entirely disconnected from everything we see in the sands of karak

[fiery burrow]

i mean memento

[clear fulcrum]

if the very bottom of karak is doing fine with out it, im sure the top will be fine too lol

[fiery burrow]

spamton was crazy

isn't he gay now

[clear fulcrum]

arent you gay now

[fiery burrow]

i've always been gay

[clear fulcrum]

MUSTAAAARD 😂

[fiery burrow]

I found jevil funner ngl

[exotic dome]

another leftover region from 2021 map

[atomic sparrow]

maybe he was always gay

[clear fulcrum]

jevil is just reddit the character tho

[fiery burrow]

half my knowledge of deltarune is probably fanon

[clear fulcrum]

like he has no actual depth his personality is just a generic joker persona

[fiery burrow]

but isn't ther eimplied romance beween him and hte tv guy

[clear fulcrum]

pretty sure its spamton and tenna that ur thinking about

[fiery burrow]

yeah

[atomic sparrow]

don't ask me I'm also a larper

I only played till chapter 2

[fiery burrow]

larping deltarune is always valid 🌹 ❤️‍🩹

[clear fulcrum]

chapter 2 is way better than every other chapter tbf

[fiery burrow]

i ain't paying 20 bucks for 3 and 4

[clear fulcrum]

the game isn't that good

[clear fulcrum]

but it's also for everything after that too 😭

[worldly umbra]

but then it will get updated for 5

[fiery burrow]

wrong 5 will be 30 dollars then 6 and 7 will be 40

[worldly umbra]

no

[clear fulcrum]

JUST ADMIT THAT YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT BRO 😭

[fiery burrow]

90 dollars toally

[worldly umbra]

fox said it will just be an update

[clear fulcrum]

yoou don't have to ragebait

[fiery burrow]

its called a joke mate

[worldly umbra]

wait reallllly

i didnt believe you the first time

[fiery burrow]

i'm still not paying 20 dollars

[clear fulcrum]

yeah to deflect from the fact that you made a judgement based on something you didn't know..

[fiery burrow]

bro 5-7 aren't out yet

[clear fulcrum]

they're never coming out

[worldly umbra]

facts

[fiery burrow]

ultrakill 1.0 is next update anyway

[graceful oyster]

This carter guy had 14 messages before yesterday and now has over 1600

[worldly umbra]

holy unemployed

[terse heart]

phillby

[worldly umbra]

so real

[clear fulcrum]

I mean yeah i didn't talk in this server before

and its finals week so i have to pretend to study anyways

[atomic sparrow]

erm... ☝️ star only said that she won't be paying 20 for 3 and 4... never said anything about the chapters later

😎 heh...

[worldly umbra]

also isnt it 25

[clear fulcrum]

finger me timbers

[fiery burrow]

i'm not supporting toby fox after the greatest living show kinda scared me sorry :/

[clear fulcrum]

maybe in your country but I think that I bought it for 20

[fiery burrow]

maybe I'll pirate it cuz I'm nonchalant like that

[atomic sparrow]

I will NOT be doing that brotato, sonion, distant cousin!!!!!!!!!!!

[violet ether]

Either I've been playing Beast Crest for just that long, or Witch Crest is kind of... bad.
Each tentacle lash is only x1 Needle hit?

[clear fulcrum]

20 dollars is pirate worthy these days

[terse heart]

pie rat what 👀

[atomic sparrow]

peakest living show 🤔 ?

[clear fulcrum]

witch crest is really good actually

[terse heart]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-average-gif-8365463044423717700

[clear fulcrum]

why is this server so against discussion?

[atomic sparrow]

because discussion killed all of our grandmas

[violet ether]

My current save file has me main Witch Crest. I know I have the benefit of already learned her attacks, but once I reloaded the save to fight her again, only with Beast Crest, I shredded her far quicker.

[clear fulcrum]

🙂‍↕️

[odd hull]

Yeah, 1x needle hit each. I suggest equipping claw mirror and multibinder

[clear fulcrum]

shredded who?

[terse heart]

your mom

[worldly umbra]

go upstairs if hk server is good

[terse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1506057736163688628/family-guy-running-down-stairs-family-guy.gif

[violet ether]

Whoops. I meant Skarrsinger Karmelita.

[clear fulcrum]

go upstairs if silksong is good

[fiery burrow]

why are you even in this server if you don't like silksong

[clear fulcrum]

Pretty sure this is a you thing 😭
I heard somewhere that witch crest + Claw mirrors does like 15% of her hp with each heal

[clear fulcrum]

I love silksong!

also isnt this also a hk server? bad point