sk-discussion

[fallow tusk]

truth and real

[violet halo]

no choir chamber is better

[clear fulcrum]

Mt fay is NOT the clawline tutorial, it’s the clawline test. You need to “master” clawline to get the double jump to access act 3. Every other clawline area in the citadel is a tutorial,

[stable mica]

good not better

[clear fulcrum]

isn’t brightvein like 30 seconds long?? 😭

[stable mica]

and i dont even remember choral music

[violet halo]

better, not bettern't

[lament vessel]

version of mount fay like abyss climb but since Hornet had insulation with the fay cloak she's dying from the heat

[night vector]

Oh yeah future vs comparison

[broken seal]

That doesn't make it not peak 💔

[stable mica]

not bettorn't

[clear fulcrum]

isn’t it just clawlining the big crystal guys???! what is peak about that 😭

[main urchin]

Abyss climb is the best 2 minutes of any game I’ve played

[clear fulcrum]

HOW

[lament vessel]

Bright vein is where you find pilby because he's the brightest

[stable mica]

best platforming section

[lament vessel]

Have I mentioned I like pilby yet

[stable mica]

on par with fay

[night vector]

In terms of platforming yeah

[stable mica]

yeah

[broken seal]

it's fun but i'm mainly talking about speedstrats. Look up a speedrun, it's tuff asf

[stable mica]

maybe better

[main urchin]

And music

[clear fulcrum]

Abyss climb would be fun if you didn’t have clawline

[stable mica]

and scenery

[ashen barn]

i like breaking the things to get there ... like ice i wanna chew on

[stable mica]

no

[clear fulcrum]

ughhh finne

[night vector]

PoP musics goated

[lament vessel]

Wdym abyss climbs the best section in the game

Okay nvm that's red memory

[main urchin]

It’s abyss climb

[lament vessel]

Still close second

[clear fulcrum]

best reasoning ever?

[stable mica]

red memory so boring but peak idk why

[lament vessel]

Lore

[leaden delta]

yea basically clawline tutorial

[stable mica]

most of it just dashing around

[night vector]

I am saying PoP music's way better

[clear fulcrum]

the most challenging part is wall jumping whilr waiting for the lava, and it’s not even hard 😭

[stable mica]

yeah yeah

[leaden delta]

oh my god i hate harpoon so much platforming wise FUCK

[stable mica]

its the sealed vessel ost but remix bro

[leaden delta]

also yes abyss climb is hype moments nad aura but oh my god. boring platforming

[main urchin]

No it’s literally just sealed vessel

[broken seal]

lol why

[clear fulcrum]

it sucks for literally everything besides sections specifically designed around it.. like it breaks almost every challenge in the game and reduces it to horizontal pogo.

[stable mica]

i think it has some cuts and no rage part

[main urchin]

But divided into chunks based on what room you’re in

[clear fulcrum]

SMARTEST PERSON HERE

[main urchin]

And only the second half

[stable mica]

the anim looks cool icl

[ashen barn]

its rlly fun but took me a while to figure out timing and the right positions to have it enter loops. now i spam it a bunch and skip whole sections of things lol

[night vector]

But its used in platforming section so it counts for PoP ost too so yeah way better than the abyss climb

[clear fulcrum]

yeah but that’s aesthetic

[ashen barn]

i like grapples in other games too though so

[stable mica]

looks cool so its cool

[lament vessel]

Hype moments and aura are the only things carrying during your like 15th playthough 💔

[stable mica]

thy don have pogo

[clear fulcrum]

Also any clawline sections suck without weaveligjt

[stable mica]

thats why no replay

[clear fulcrum]

no it’s just why act 3 sucks balls

[main urchin]

Abyss climb is THE hype moment

[stable mica]

i think u mean weavelight kinda suck

[lament vessel]

Ss gave me the tiktok attention span now I can't play hks slow ahh...

[clear fulcrum]

weavelight is like an A tier tool lol

[stable mica]

but yeah waiting for silk is annoying

[night vector]

Bro they could have made any other boss give silk generation not unravelled

[stable mica]

for 1 purpose

[night vector]

That's when harpooning becomes bad

[clear fulcrum]

or they could have just given us the max silk regen instead of slowing thr gameplay down artificially

[clear fulcrum]

almost every tool has one purpose

[lament vessel]

Bell beast gives one atleast unravelled is actually silk related

[clear fulcrum]

also it has two 🤪

[twilit gale]

Wait second shout means 500 hp??? That means I've consistently dying at the last stretch 😭

[main urchin]

And lace is just literal silk

[stable mica]

no it doesnt

[clear fulcrum]

that’s because they cut it from the fourth chorus

[stable mica]

in combat its useless

[leaden delta]

yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup y up yup yup yup yup yup yup y up yup yup yu py up

[ashen barn]

unravelled wasnt that terrible with sharpdart and tacks

[clear fulcrum]

Makes platforming better
Gives you silk necessary to cast spells once you’re in act 3

[leaden delta]

kill me oh my god i hate it

[stable mica]

maybe do a flelia thingy

[main urchin]

For what boss?

[stable mica]

but no that gud

[twilit gale]

Karmelita

[clear fulcrum]

notice how you have to cheese it 😭

[night vector]

But you dont get two unless you beated lace 2 and doing architect melody with one silk heart becomes so slow

[lament vessel]

I wish I used sharp dart I bodied it with Parry then got destroyed because I kept spawning in his hitbox

[stable mica]

just beast tacks it bro

[night vector]

Unless you use wanderer crest

[main urchin]

Karmelita phase three is her getting rid of the dancing idle animations and just doing another attack whenever the last ends

[clear fulcrum]

Silksong is so flawed it’s insane (clawline is great for combat though, could’ve just made it combat only)

[stable mica]

spammer accusation

[twilit gale]

What? Wtf is that?

[leaden delta]

for context i do mapping for hk. and i was doing it for silksong and i immediately noticed that harpoon makes shit SO uninteresting and centralizing. i have to limit it for platforming to be good

[stable mica]

use tacks and be beast

[clear fulcrum]

and its crazy because most platforming sections can be done with out it too

[leaden delta]

not only is it free distance, it also works infinitely in the sky. WHY does it work infinitely in the sky

[fresh spire]

honestly hot take

[clear fulcrum]

That’s the only reason they added silk hearts btw 😭

[fresh spire]

Silksong shouldn't have been released for another couple years so they had more time to cook

[clear fulcrum]

everyone knows this

[stable mica]

uh no also needolin

[ashen barn]

is it rlly a cheese if its using tools found along the way like the game wants u to </3 i was originally trying to sit on the wall with architect, which i think would be more of a cheese, cause i was scared but it isnt nearly as terrible as i thought

[twilit gale]

Tbh I'm too lazy to go all the way back to the bench sooo

[clear fulcrum]

you know that they could have just made needolin and silk soar.. not require silk?

[night vector]

C'mon dude exactly most thought that

[leaden delta]

keep using this as an example but fuck dude i cooked with this. its so sexy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1426256719784316948/2025-10-10_12-12-10.mp4?ex=6a0c9a94&is=6a0b4914&hm=a35e1ff4acb58357ebb535d144db26efaf42c6eaf4e147ff2b9071852742ef8a&

[stable mica]

ye but u use silk

u suggested a no brain idea

its in the name

[clear fulcrum]

Everyone knows that tools are cheese, the only ones who argue against it want to seem morally superior lol

[stable mica]

ad u can see sil being used

[night vector]

Bro seriously i was waiting

[leaden delta]

let god sort em out is such a gas album btw. fuck i love clipse

[clear fulcrum]

The dream nail didnt use silk, the crystal heart didnt use silk… it’s just pointless

[clear fulcrum]

silksong in 2036

dream nail clears needolin so hard btw

[night vector]

Gaster comes in sos

[stable mica]

ah yes why? because u dont use silk for it to function

[clear fulcrum]

mf what 😭

[stable mica]

dream nail is a WEAPON, that can use on its own. and c dash is powered by crystal heart

its logical thinking

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[clear fulcrum]

Tiso when he realizes that the developers make the game 😭

[twilit gale]

YOOOOO I BEAT KARMELITA

[leaden delta]

we agree

[clear fulcrum]

if they wanted to they could totally justify not using silk… Swift step uses silk lore wise but it doesn’t use silk?

[stable mica]

and the devs said so(or i said so)

[odd hull]

Congratss

[clear fulcrum]

all downhill from there unfortunately

[stable mica]

tell me do u see silk

[clear fulcrum]

good boy

[night vector]

[clear fulcrum]

yes i do

[quartz gulch]

Personally I disagree. The movement in Silksong is insanely fun with all they options. Just travelling around makes grinding enjoyable for me, maybe also why I don't complain about rosaries or shell shards. Instead of being the pixel perfect mechanically based pogo, dash and wings from HK, it lets you do fun stuff in several ways. Like some dude doing Mt. Fay in Act1, someone else doing Cogwork Core Beast pogo only, etc.
Sure, Clawline is harder to build around, but using thorns instead of spikes is a method of limiting it for example. Or making the distance you travel limited. Idk, are you even building a parcour with a mod?

[solid latch]

Congrats, I’m still struggling to kill her

[stable mica]

in hornet while sprinting

[twilit gale]

Since when?

[quartz gulch]

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't properly read the first part.

Swift Step uses silk, it slowly disintegrates like with Needolin.

[clear fulcrum]

The point is that clawline breaks platforming sections that aren’t designed around it, and when they are, they’re typically too easy.

[night vector]

Wow

[main urchin]

That’s with silk speed anklets

[solid latch]

Few days

[clear fulcrum]

I’m talking about your dash, that you can use no matter what.

[twilit gale]

Lmao I beat her in like 7 attempts😭

Sorry for your loss

[twilit gale]

Do you not have hivesteel needle?

[clear fulcrum]

yeah it’s not that difficult idk why everyone says she is

[stable mica]

also y needolin use many silk?

[clear fulcrum]

what?

[solid latch]

But i was raging like a conchfly so I came to the citadel to destroy tormented Trobbio

[stable mica]

its 1 string all teh way through

[twilit gale]

Really? Lost trobbio seems harder

[night vector]

Not even one

[solid latch]

Which I’m still struggling with too tho

[stable mica]

heck a guitar use 6 strings every 10 seconds

[twilit gale]

Than karmelita

[solid latch]

Well I don’t think so

[quartz gulch]

I can provide an explanation that kinda works?

Hornet always has a soul, after all she's alive. Perhaps with Swift Step she manipulates her own soul to focus on her legs in a way, without expending it. With the complete description there could be more to see.

[solid latch]

But if it’s your point of view…

[twilit gale]

Ehhh I guess you could be right I only did like 2 attempts against him

[main urchin]

Maybe Hornet wouldn’t consume silk with Needolin if she knew how to play a guitar without breaking the strings

[clear fulcrum]

He’s harder but trobbio is at the start of act 2 while tormented is late game, so you have way more options.

[unkempt dirge]

you all talka bout silk

but y'all don't talk about the fact hornet wasn't taught teleportation

[quartz gulch]

Maybe she should use actual strings instead of spun soul.

[onyx python]

what if hornet learnt how to make microplastic silk

[unkempt dirge]

when the pure vessel was taught by the pale king to do so

[night vector]

U can open weavenests without even using up one string lmao

[twilit gale]

For karmelita, most of her attacks are grounded + you can ALWAYS get heals if you double jump off the top of the walls to the middle of the arena

[solid latch]

I did like 15 attempts but yesterday I had to stop during one and i didn’t closed the game cause think it is the good one so we’ll see

[unkempt dirge]

Maybe she should first learn how to do simple telepotation like her sibling

[leaden delta]

YES THATS WHY I SAY IT!!!

[twilit gale]

@solid latch the healing strat is kinda op and the only reason I beat her

[stable mica]

maybe its just shes manipulating the silk inside here to increase speed

[clear fulcrum]

YOU’RE MISSING THE POINT!! The devs came up with a way to justify it not spending your silk bar, that’s why i used it as an example to justify the silk hearts only existing for clawline to not be intrinsically broken.

[stable mica]

like puppeting

[leaden delta]

also this is specifically for platforming. just getting from point A to B in ss overworld is infinitely better

[quartz gulch]

Is it canonically stated? Shakra, Mantis Lords, etc. are just really really fast.

[onyx python]

that's called save & quit

[clear fulcrum]

which is why heals in this game suck

[solid latch]

Her 2 first phases are easy, but at the third I always get mad and die

[clear fulcrum]

so much nuance 😍

[ashen barn]

im sure i could clear it without tacks too, it was just helpful and i had enough to throw them down like... twice lol. tools have also just been nice for me because i have an issue with my hands where my finger joints can lock up, so i have to be careful, and i can miss out on damage phases for things if im not physically able to do the movement to get close, so having a little thing to throw allows things to actually get done sometimes for me. i have beaten a lot of things without them though ! and on a better day im sure a lot of things i could do again with none also :] took me a while to type sorry my cat was on my desk

[solid latch]

Cause I’m a beast main

[unkempt dirge]

Well yeah the mantis lords are capable of moving in insane speed and so can shakra

but with the pure vessel you can visibly see them teleport

[night vector]

Even with 3 silk hearts harpooning becomes difficult in sprintmaster swift...

[unkempt dirge]

you even get magical sound affects as they do so

[main urchin]

First sinner tho, she teleports

She turns WHITE and disappears

[twilit gale]

For her third phase just focus completely on the fight and sneak free heals whenever you can

[leaden delta]

while I can make with thorns and make things tighter, that’s not fun and it’s still not the point. sometimes I want more horizontal sections that just don’t work because the player can hit the harpoon button ggs

[quartz gulch]

I really am missing the point (and context), cause I'm kinda clueless what the discussion is even about then.

[unkempt dirge]

The only characters that are actually shown to be capable of teleportation are less then a dozen

[ashen barn]

i am still on my first playthrough also so i bet a lot of things ill get comfortable and know my limits with in subsequent runs

[unkempt dirge]

if we don't count the soul sanctum

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah im not judging you, but it’s clear that no boss in the game is designed around tools, so saying that the Unravelled isn’t that bad of a boss because of tools is a little misleading. Play however you need tho!

[twilit gale]

Huh? I find this healing system better than hollow knight cause it doesn't take 1 billion years

[main urchin]

I guess mantis lords just go into a foreground or background layer beyond our 2D point of view

[unkempt dirge]

._. teleportation as in what soul master and pure vessel does

[leaden delta]

the point is that clawline’s existence limits the amount of interesting platforming that can be made, because you HAVE to account for clawline

[solid latch]

So every time I see I’m one my way to the win I heal, flea brew and flintslate, rush the boss and die in ten seconds

[unkempt dirge]

saving and quitting isn't teleportation in lore

[leaden delta]

this is why binding harpoon and giving the player harpoon crystals works infinitely better

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah, making things harder doesn’t change the core design sucking. It makes it more aggravating than anything.

[unkempt dirge]

I'm just saying I think it's weird that the pale king taught the pure vessel the ability to teleport

[night vector]

There are just fast u can see there fast dash if you slow motion a little

[solid latch]

Ok thanks

[unkempt dirge]

but he didn't bother to teach hornet

[twilit gale]

WHY DO I HAVE HUNTERS CREST IN THE RED MEMORY😭

[main urchin]

This ain’t friggin Celeste

[fresh spire]

Because

[main urchin]

cuz she remembered her old pogo

[unkempt dirge]

Like come on pale king don't do your only daughter like that

[stable mica]

its technically a 3d game since its using occlusion

[onyx python]

because hornwt is stipid and she forgot

[main urchin]

I’m joking

[leaden delta]

well I use architect and I make platforming maps ggs!!!

[main urchin]

I know about Silksong’s nutty parallax

[leaden delta]

That’s what I mean! tc simply shouldn’t have shot rhemselves in the foot

[twilit gale]

Aww baby hornet is so cute

[night vector]

Baby knight though

[quartz gulch]

Could also be something like a focused dash sort of thing, that is just insanely fast. Equally fast to teleportation over short distances. Because I just kinda doubt that literal teleportation would be as fast or efficient, the Knight can't even really teleport (unless I'm wrong and they can, they just travel within the dream realm to their destination, the dream gate).

[main urchin]

knight is baby

[solid latch]

Yeah I want to put her in my basement

[stable mica]

ik that u know

[solid latch]

No he just looks so

But he’s not

[unkempt dirge]

.......no

[night vector]

Idts

[quartz gulch]

They just teleport?

[unkempt dirge]

we literally see the pure vessel dash

[main urchin]

knight didn’t physically change between being born dead and returning to Hallownest

[unkempt dirge]

yeah

[quartz gulch]

Dash attack, not dash to reposition.

[unkempt dirge]

yes

You do realize there's a different animation for those who just move incredibly fast and those who teleport

[main urchin]

Pure vessel def teleports

[quartz gulch]

Idk, I don't even know the exact way it looks, considering I've been playing other stuff lately.

[night vector]

PV does teleport on top of u

[unkempt dirge]

well look at the mantis lords moving and the soul master

[main urchin]

One frame it’s in front of you, the next it’s positioned to do the ol “nothing personal kid”

[unkempt dirge]

and you'll realize there's a difference

[stable mica]

so they can dash

[leaden delta]

pv like most definitely tps

[unkempt dirge]

when a character in hollow knight is incredibly fast that they just blitz through you see smear frames

[quartz gulch]

You probably know better anyway, considering you brought it up in the first place.

[onyx python]

yo i don't think anyone would jump vertically and just disappear

[twilit gale]

HERRAH CAMEO LETS GOOO

[main urchin]

The thing with mantis lords is, there’s a pause between disappearing and reappearing

They have to physically get to the new spot outside our view

[unkempt dirge]

there's smear frames

[quartz gulch]

Shakra literally does that.

[night vector]

Its like they are in 3d we not

[stable mica]

luckily we dont have motion blur

[main urchin]

Pure vessel legit goes from idle to about to pogo you instantly

[twilit gale]

Crystal guardian?

[stable mica]

or else the rad will become asriel

[unkempt dirge]

whttps://youtu.be/g_NH8fVOLZY?t=17

[devout dove]

why the fuck does tormented trobbio have SO MANY BOMBS

[main urchin]

motion blur more like “the thing I only want turned on in fall guys”

[unkempt dirge]

look at this

you'll see she goes into one direction and goes incredibly fast

[night vector]

You mean slam attack? It has 2 variations?

[unkempt dirge]

and you can see she goes in that said direction

[main urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/morshu-beatbox-zelda-morshu-beatbox-fast-gif-19020090

[twilit gale]

HIVE LORE?????

[main urchin]

PV can either jump into that attack

[stable mica]

STOP USING ANTI ALIASING AND MOTION BLURR

[main urchin]

Or teleport into it

[twilit gale]

SILKSONG IS THE BEST GAME EVER

[onyx python]

she doesn't jump vertically, she jumps diagonally

[night vector]

So yeah he does tp

[main urchin]

Yeah

PV teleports in the same sorta way as FS

[ashen barn]

yeah i mostly just throw tacks under some things if i'm not able to do a maneuver to get close in the moment, and using the lightning stick one im blanking on the name of??? has been helpful too since i can just hit it for the right angle and its just about the damage id get if i could actually get close. i think unravelled in particular could be totally dismantled by some well-timed beast crest charge swipes and sharpdart dashes though, and if im confident with not being hit by it i feel like it wouldnt be the worst time for barbed bracelet (but still kinda frightening lol)

[twilit gale]

VESPA LORE?????

[unkempt dirge]

also soul master

[devout dove]

I HATE TORMENTED TROBBIO

[main urchin]

Lost Lace doesn’t technically teleport, she just goes into the void and gets spat out somewhere else really fast

[clear fulcrum]

this is not how you define a 3d game

[unkempt dirge]

they even have the same sound affect play when the two teleport

[unkempt dirge]

correcto good sir

[clear fulcrum]

yeah he’s a horrible boss ur justified

[night vector]

Sorry what's FS

[unkempt dirge]

and this yet again makes me ask why the hell did the pale king not bother teaching hornet teleportation

[twilit gale]

WHITE PALACE?????

[main urchin]

First Sinner

[dim elk]

He just tries to give you epillepsi.

[quartz gulch]

I'm not even arguing, I'm just stating she does both. In her fight she can appear middair, throw something, and disappear with upward stripes indicating fast speed. Same when fighting enemies, very noticable in the Deep Docks.

[clear fulcrum]

did he even really care about hornet tho? when she was born most of his efforts were on stopping the radiance. He didnt train her, vespa did.

[unkempt dirge]

and why doesn't he teach her to be capable of summoning daggers

[hybrid flare]

Pk was busy

[ashen barn]

one of the things im fighting rn is seth and im like picking my brain trying to remember if he can vertical jump into any teleport

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah while forcing you to dodge his mid ass projectiles

[twilit gale]

WHITE LADY LORE???

[unkempt dirge]

I am aware he was busy nubbie

[stable mica]

ye and let GMS do it

[main urchin]

The wife he cucked to make hornet did more parenting than him

[hybrid flare]

Ttrobbio is a good boss overall he just sits a lot

[clear fulcrum]

you don’t even really need to think about seth’s patterns, pogoing is all you need to do..

[unkempt dirge]

she literally said she was fine with it

[clear fulcrum]

LMAO

[night vector]

And the second one

[twilit gale]

DELICATE FLOWER LORE????

[clear fulcrum]

dude no he is NOT 😭

[main urchin]

I know but I say it funnier that way

[hybrid flare]

He is

[clear fulcrum]

it’s mostly just continuing what was alresdy established

[unkempt dirge]

are you done

[twilit gale]

No?

Well probably

[hybrid flare]

Nothing was rlly established with the delicate flower in the first game other than that it was delicate

[twilit gale]

Idk

[night vector]

Why did shamans died ?

[hybrid flare]

spell

[leaden delta]

pthe delicate flower lore is vagueposting in one ending

[main urchin]

They should retroactively update hollow knight so the void in the abyss doesn’t attack you pre-voidheart if you have flower

[dim elk]

Maybe they overexausted themselves

[clear fulcrum]

He’s a worse version of Trobbio in every way? When he does an explosion he’s stunned for like half a second, but then the screen is covered in fireworks which means you have to spend time just dodging. All of his moves are like this besides the tornado.

[devout dove]

hes annoying as shit bro

[clear fulcrum]

It’s pretty clear that it counters void tho

[unkempt dirge]

1. we already knew the flower had a similar pale aura and light to the pale kings

2. as shown with godhome dlc it was shown it could do smth with void (wish they didn't have the oversight regarding the abyss but it's an oversight)

3. it being from the lands serene

[leaden delta]

thats true. its just thrown in there in hk and i dislik ethat

[unkempt dirge]

I'd say thats a good fair amount of knowledge

[hybrid flare]

you can dodge through all of this and just hit him btw

[ashen barn]

trobbio my sparkly king ! (he ragebaited me the first 4 times i tried his fight)

[high sparrow]

They should make that a dlc where hornet is exploring the land of serene honestly

[clear fulcrum]

It’s all rng related? Even then, the design of the attack blends in and isn’t really striking so..

[hybrid flare]

Lands serene is not relevant whatsoever to what it can do in silksong and neither it is its connection to pale beings which is not confirmed, the godhome dlc is vagueposting

[hybrid flare]

The visibility wasn-t a big issue for me but i can see how it can overwhelm others

[clear fulcrum]

Godhome dlc literally just confirms that it can stop void, which is all that is really relevant in SS

[leaden delta]

stuck at any whiplash section gg

[unkempt dirge]

I never said it has a connection to pale beings

I was talking about the fact it get's compared to the pks light

[severe steeple]

the humble slam storag

[hybrid flare]

We dont fucking know if thats the canon ending or if wtv it does is stop it

[unkempt dirge]

which supported the idea of it having light properties nubbie

[clear fulcrum]

it doesn’t overwhelm, it’s that it’s underwhelming, they blend in with the background.

[leaden delta]

7-2

[high sparrow]

Yeah you can,i know this cause i done it

[hybrid flare]

that's not what underwhelming means

[unkempt dirge]

Slam storage Ig uess?

[rocky jolt]

i am father grigori

[severe steeple]

some out of bounds shenanigans

[leaden delta]

oh ok we're counting oob. booooo

[clear fulcrum]

doesn’t need to be canon? The sealed siblings ending isn’t but it’s still logically sound? It’s to show you alternate ways this story COULDVE ended. It doesn’t mean that they make up BS to justify that.

[leaden delta]

oob its possible because ultrakill is broken and you can escape any level

[clear fulcrum]

why are you arguing semantics when it’s pretty clear what I mean in this context? It doesn’t overwhelm the eyes; it barely even registers.

[hybrid flare]

Also it doesn't really do what it does in etv flower ending which nothing is elaborated upon

[hybrid flare]

It overwhelms the eyes by hiding in the background and the eyes not being able to register it

[clear fulcrum]

It just shows flower = bye bye void, we don’t know how or why and it’s the same in SS

[hybrid flare]

Also there being lots of shit on the screen

[hybrid flare]

Just what am i wasting my time on

[devout dove]

oh my LORDS hes finally fucking dead

[clear fulcrum]

bro then it’s overwhelming your BRAIN 😭

[devout dove]

god that fight was so flashy my eyes kind of hurt

[clear fulcrum]

that’s literally what happens why are you acting superior for no reason? Literally everyone since the dawn of time has considered the flower to be some sort of counter to the void ever since that ending.

[exotic cedar]

these arguements makes me HATE this game more

[severe steeple]

I hate every game because no game is perfect except pacman and tetris

[clear fulcrum]

it’s rhe main reason I play the game still lol

it’s one of the most interesting games to discuss, I just wish the fanbase actually wanted to discuss it

[buoyant urchin]

Any silksong news young fans?

[exotic cedar]

i dont play it anymore yet i am still here

[full rune]

#hk-announcements holds news

[atomic sparrow]

#sk-discussion holds discussion

[full rune]

Hey guys

[atomic sparrow]

hi

[exotic cedar]

hello zal

[buoyant urchin]

There is nothing
You have lied to me admin

[leaden delta]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WjimohuxJ7ThhkqDJ7

[buoyant urchin]

Imma go back to my grave

[odd hull]

heloo

[sage glade]

zal holds hey guys

[odd hull]

Finally, the sk discussion stopped

[torpid kiln]

All the higher beings or a billion vessels

[exotic cedar]

now it needs to be removed from the server

[odd hull]

No, now we discuss MIO, Nine Sols, Ender Lilies & Rusted Moss

[exotic cedar]

i only know nine sols....

[long grove]

When Sea of Sorrow launches tomorrow there'll be no need

[fresh spire]

true...

[odd hull]

All of these are peak

[fresh spire]

Sea of sorrows adds the zote bossfight btw

[odd hull]

except mio, I haven't played it

[exotic cedar]

same because the game cant even run on my laptop

[long grove]

what's a MIO

?

[heady iron]

If sea of sorrow doesn't have a section where you're in the open ocean with a giant shadowy creature lurking beneath the surface then I'm not playing

[odd hull]

Memorias In the Orbit

a metroidvania

[odd hull]

oh fr? damnn

[toxic spade]

I just cheesed Gurr The Outcast bro plasmium overdosing is op

[exotic cedar]

yeah i couldnt even open the game, it just gave an error

[odd hull]

It didn't get my attention, doesn't seems like the type of stuff I want rn

[twilit gale]

Okay NOW lost lace has the pass

[toxic spade]

Finally got all 20 mask shards

[odd hull]

remove the "the" mb
Memorias In Orbit

[fathom schooner]

I mean regen is strong and all but it takes about 10 seconds to get 1 additional hit when overdosed, and it nerfs your bind

[toxic spade]

yeah it does

[long grove]

np

[heady iron]

Replace the o in mio with d
Relax liberals, it's called dark humor

[toxic spade]

but i just restocked and used plasmium phial to heal

[fathom schooner]

Not to mention unless your on steel soul or went to the wormways only architect can overdose

[twilit gale]

20/4 is 5 meaning a total of 10 masks meanwhile I'm at 7 trying to fight lost lace with hivesteel needle😭

[toxic spade]

lol

[long grove]

ok, u actually cooked

[toxic spade]

dang theres 3 lace fights

[fathom schooner]

And architect just kinda dosent have a good use of silk at all

[twilit gale]

Nah there's actually a billion

[toxic spade]

bruh

[fathom schooner]

By the end of SS DLCs we will have 12 lace fights

[long grove]

but the game seems good

[odd hull]

Aw, that sucks

[left tiger]

Anybody got any ideas for what I can do in Silksong after having all 52 achievements, while waiting for Sea of Sorrow?

[clear fulcrum]

why cheese this fight 😭

[twilit gale]

Pantheon of pharloom

[fathom schooner]

Have you gotten every single journal entry

[odd hull]

Play other games

[left tiger]

yes

[clear fulcrum]

do challenges like no needle upgrades

[toxic spade]

idk i just used plasmium to regen and spammed tacks and cogflies

[left tiger]

I already beat nine sols

[fathom schooner]

Gonna assume youve already bought all the bellhome stuff

[left tiger]

sounds fun

[toxic spade]

also those spike traps are annoying

[fiery burrow]

Replace the
M with Hollow
I with Knight
O with Silksong
not so peak now is it?

[odd hull]

There's lots of games

[left tiger]

I have a 100% bellhome

[clear fulcrum]

and none of them will be good 🥹

[clear fulcrum]

like nine sols 2

[fathom schooner]

Have you killed every single void mass in pharloom?

[left tiger]

I only play metroidvanias

I've already beat all the good ones

[atomic sparrow]

Do I almost feel true?

[fathom schooner]

Theres over 50 of them, and you only need to kill 12

[long grove]

but instead of AR, we’ll have the Void

[leaden delta]

play pseudoregalia

[clear fulcrum]

why limit yourself like this 😭

[leaden delta]

The Messenger

[odd hull]

If you think so.

[leaden delta]

Outer Wilds

[left tiger]

That is

As relevant as destroying every destructable foreground asset once

[leaden delta]

Slay the Princess

Cruelty Squad

[clear fulcrum]

but whats even the point of killing all of them if youve beaten everything else

[fathom schooner]

Except void masses never respawn

[left tiger]

I don't like other genres

Metroidvania is nice

[leaden delta]

Touhou Lensed Night Sky, Kaseigai

[fathom schooner]

Idk, cleanse pharloom of the void

[left tiger]

Yeah but still
Irrelevant

[leaden delta]

Animal Well

[clear fulcrum]

what other games have you even played? this is such a harsh statement to make when there are so many

[exotic cedar]

play anything except leauge of legends

[leaden delta]

ay i see that fire react. hell yes

[fathom schooner]

You asked for something to do, your already past the point of anything relevant

[twilit gale]

Nah we'll have lost lost lace

[leaden delta]

that game is so gas its peak its the best touhou fangame ever

[fathom schooner]

Lost lace lace

[long grove]

imagine The Knight as the Final boss (ik prob it's not)

[blazing viper]

shoe lace

[twilit gale]

It could be the shade lord

[fathom schooner]

Honestly, fuck it, shade lord final boss

[twilit gale]

Lost shoes

[fathom schooner]

Issue is hornet just immediately dies because its fucking shade lord

[exotic cedar]

no

[terse heart]

lost socks

[long grove]

Lost Shoe vs Lost Lace

[fathom schooner]

Idc how strong hornet gets theres a reason the knight rarely took 2 mask damage

[forest kelp]

Lost aglet

[left tiger]

Nine sols
Hollow Knight
Blasphemous 1 and 2
Symphonia
Dead cells
Celeste
Rainworld
Original Metroid
Original castlevanis
Castlevania Symphony of The Knight

[twilit gale]

Nah she has the delicate flower but it's on a time constraint like how we saw in the cutscene where it disintegrates

[fathom schooner]

That void nugget was built like a brick shithouse

[odd hull]

Just use a cloak made of flowers smh

[fathom schooner]

If she gets hit once it just immediately breaks

[twilit gale]

Nah but the petals have the void resistance not the stem or anything

[fathom schooner]

New quest, find fucking 80 beings strong enough that their hearts will allow hornet to re enter the red memory

[odd hull]

Or go to the lands serene smh

[fathom schooner]

Unfortunately we seem to be out of snail shamans

[long grove]

The hollow knight will duo with hornet bruh

[sage glade]

bro snuck symphonia in there

[twilit gale]

Just get the one that's in hallownest

[forest kelp]

Grab as many flowers as possible make a needle and shield

[twilit gale]

It seems more powerful than these ones

[odd hull]

That's what I'm saying

[fathom schooner]

Take the long ass journey from pharloom all the way to the traitors grave and back without getting hit

Okay but also i want DLC to allow us to leave pharloom via the exit in the blasted steps

[forest kelp]

Ooo that’d be cool

And there’s just a super long path back to hollowness

Hollownest*

[fathom schooner]

Im tired of hornet talking to herself about why she cant leave

[twilit gale]

That's probably very easy for hornet considering quirrel says that even the base nail of the knight would get it pretty far up there and hornet was trained by Vespa and she has a stronger needle

[fathom schooner]

One full hour of sprinting with flea brew and silkspeed anklets

[forest kelp]

It’d be so cool to fight hollownest enemies as Hornet

[hushed charm]

Hu

Hi

[fathom schooner]

Hornet unfortunately was too tall to walk around hallownest ironically

[forest kelp]

She crawls

[fathom schooner]

It be very cramped

[forest kelp]

Crouch function enabled

[twilit gale]

One hour? Are pharloom and hallownest like a meter from each other?

[fathom schooner]

You vastly underestimate how fast bugs move, what are they fuckin slugs?

[forest kelp]

I mean, the montage of the citadel bugs taking Hornet to pharloom at the beginning of Silksong made it seem like a pretty good distance

[fathom schooner]

Its definitely a decent distance if hallownest was unaware of pharlooms existence

Granted, they might have and nothing was said because pharloom wasn't planned

[twilit gale]

I mean silksong is pretty accurate with its sizes and the needle is longer than hornet

[forest kelp]

Not only that, but pharloom is entirely unaware and unaffected by the infection in hollownest

[fathom schooner]

But ima just assume they were too busy to actually pay attention to things outside of hallownest

[fathom schooner]

Okay but i blame that on the radiances personal vendetta against the pale king

[twilit gale]

I think it's more so that gms is stronger than the radiance so she kept control over her kingdom

[fathom schooner]

Like that was a targeted attack on his kingdom cuz fuck him specifically

Gms is NOT stronger than the radiance lol

[forest kelp]

Oh true true

[twilit gale]

A giant ball of silk vs the sun who would win?

[long grove]

just one Silk Soar and hornet reaches the Sun to beat AR

[fathom schooner]

Gms had to elevate regular ass bugs to semi divine bugs

Radiance straight up MADE a whole race of bugs cuz she wanted them to exist

[forest kelp]

Idk they both have needles, maybe they fence it out

[twilit gale]

Is gms a higher being?

[fathom schooner]

Radiance is literally on par with the void, and is directly against it

[twilit gale]

Probably

[long grove]

where's the radiance rn?

[fathom schooner]

Gms is a pale being, on par with the pale king

[odd hull]

Unn:

[twilit gale]

Dead probably

[forest kelp]

Yeahh, I think radiance beats gms by a long shot

[left tiger]

gnosklis thgink wolloh

[fathom schooner]

Okay we cannot just go "wheres this guy" when it was directly opposed to the strongest being in creation

[twilit gale]

That implies that prime unn is stronger than gms which I don't think is the case

[forest kelp]

Dead In a bug zapper

[fathom schooner]

The radiance fought the fuckin void god, anything loses

[long grove]

killed by a "failed vessel"

[twilit gale]

Cause unn just made a whole ass civilization with different species

[fathom schooner]

Honestly yeah, unn just didn't care, greenpath was kinda an accident and result of unn dreaming from what i remember

[forest kelp]

Failed vessel that ended up commanding/becoming the void

[fathom schooner]

Commanding, not becoming

[long grove]

if u can beat the protagonist, join him

[odd hull]

And biomes

[fathom schooner]

The void pre dates basically everything bar possibility the radiance

[twilit gale]

It kinda is the void already

[fathom schooner]

The knight joined the void and it follows the knights will

Essentially uniting the void to itself instead of becoming it

[forest kelp]

Yeahh what hellhound said

[fathom schooner]

But as we see the knight is definitely a localized phenomenon

The void still acts independently of the knight, it tried to kill all of pharloom

[twilit gale]

The knight is an empty shell filled with void but is it more shell or more void idk

[fathom schooner]

Its half and half

Half pale being, half void nugget

[long grove]

I was just kidding, the Void actually gives the power to defeat the Radiance

[forest kelp]

Honestly the knights lore still confuses me 😓 I played through the whole first game(I couldn’t 100% tho) and I’m still unsure of what’s what

[fathom schooner]

Essentially the void going insane at pharloom made the knight go "tf Goin on over ther"

[twilit gale]

We see in true ending that the knight just breaks it's own shell and fucks the radiance up by slapping it with void. I think it's more so that the knight is void

[fathom schooner]

And then it found hornet and went "oh cool i know you.... wait this shit kills you i gotta get you outta here"

[fathom schooner]

It discarded its physical form in the cannon ending yes

[twilit gale]

Wait true ending is Canon?

[fathom schooner]

I dont think that makes it less pale being, but its definitely embraced its void half

[fathom schooner]

Yeah the radiance is dead lol

[atomic sparrow]

dnm or etv leads to silksong

[left tiger]

minecraft is a 3d metroidvania

terraria is a 2d metroidvania

1d pac man is a 1d Metroidvania

[fathom schooner]

I prefer dream no more to be the cannon ending

[atomic sparrow]

same

[unreal ice]

Wondering what I should do
Fight Trobbio
Or go back and best the Last Judge, just for the sake of beating it

[fathom schooner]

Because it just works better, especially because what the fuck happened between hornet and THK

[forest kelp]

I haven’t unlocked more than one ending but I’ve seen some of the others

[twilit gale]

So there's 2 outcomes, either the knight can control the void with void heart and just doesn't care what happens to pharloom or the shade lord just wants to kill everything

[fathom schooner]

And it makes more sense for hornet to see the knight and THK as "sacrificing themselves" to kill the radiance

[atomic sparrow]

why are we assuming the shade lord wants to kill everything

[fathom schooner]

3rd outcome, the void heart is a radius type effect

[exotic dome]

is real life earth a good metroidvania map

[fathom schooner]

The void presumably spans the underside of the entire world in HK

[atomic sparrow]

also don't you need voidheart for p5 anyways

[fathom schooner]

You do need void heart for p5

[twilit gale]

Yes you do

[fathom schooner]

It dosent open without it

[left tiger]

we are living in a 4d Metroidvania

[forest kelp]

That’s what I figured since it goes under both kingdoms we’ve explored so far, and they’re both pretty far apart

[twilit gale]

Idk it just seems like it

[fathom schooner]

So my guess is the void acts independently (always has, it aggressively attacks soul) and the knights will is a limited area around itself

If the knight is in an area, the void binds to its will, but otherwise it acts independently

[twilit gale]

But then again, if the knight could control all of the void, why wouldn't it help or at least not attack hornet in the abyss?

They are siblings after all

[fathom schooner]

It wasnt there yet

[unreal ice]

I believe Voidheart's control is like that, yeah
It can control the void, but it has limits, which is why it had to come and save Hornet instead of the tendril attacks just not happening

[atomic sparrow]

that would be pretty bad narratively
plus we also see the void spilling out the black egg in dnm in a similar manner to how it spills out godseeker in etv
and the void just seeps down leaving hornet in tact

[fathom schooner]

It probably swam all the way from hallownest once pharloom got attacked by the void

[forest kelp]

Maybe knight just has a range of control. Like, he’s the leader and the void acts independently until knight arrives

[fathom schooner]

The other thing is the void directly attacks soul, and silk has soul in it, and GMS covered pharloom in silk

[atomic sparrow]

the knight just isn't aware of whats going on in pharloom till after the lost lace fight presumably?

[fathom schooner]

So the void grabbed GMS and is just following the silk attached to her, and thats literally the entire kingdom

[forest kelp]

That’s why it attacked so aggressively when gms fell into it, right? It didn’t like having so much silk in it.

[fathom schooner]

Remember the void itself ISNT a conscious being, its more a primordial force of nature

[left tiger]

Looking at every single enemy in hollow knight

The only enemies that are not made of void are obviously the radiance, lifeblood seeds, and infected blobs/seeds (because they are of the radiance)

[fathom schooner]

The knight and siblings are conscious beings, which is why the knight can exert control over the rest of the void

[odd hull]

huh

[atomic sparrow]

😭 is every husk void now wth

[twilit gale]

Void itself isn't a fully conscious entity but somehow it knows where hornet is and empowers bugs that are fighting hornet? It has to have been controlled by something. Is it lost lace or the knight? The latter just doesn't make sense

[fathom schooner]

The void naturally lashes out at the presence of soul, pharloom is COVERED in soul and the haunting is alot of bugs being controlled by soul

[left tiger]

Well
Look at what happens when you attack a husk.
They bleed black, void.

[fathom schooner]

Alot of husks are voided before fighting, and all husks are haunted

[clear fulcrum]

Im asking what games of other genres have you played?

[twilit gale]

Void kinda just kills whatever it touches

[fathom schooner]

Them moving around alot drags the void along that silk to said husk

[left tiger]

I don't like other genres

[cedar trench]

americans are a deeply, deeply antisocial people

[forest kelp]

I think since Hornet is so full of silk and by extension soul, the void just reacts to her presence on a primal level, rather than an intelligent one

[fathom schooner]

Yeah, because all living beings have soul

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah which is why im asking how you know that.

[twilit gale]

Yeah but they specifically get empowered as hornet is fighting them

[fathom schooner]

And the void lashes out at anything with soul

[odd hull]

No. It just spreads naturally

[twilit gale]

That seems too conscious

[clear fulcrum]

Our colleges are literally known for having parties that are non stop but sure whatever go off man!

[fathom schooner]

Husks are basically being puppeted by silk, the void has GMS and all her silk, and its moving along those silk lines

The puppet starts moving alot, so the void immediately moves down that silk line and yoinks the bug

[atomic sparrow]

the game uses black for outlines is 99% of the enviroment partially void 😔

[twilit gale]

The void still lashes out at the knight even when it has no soul in its shell I think

[odd hull]

Such a trans icon

[left tiger]

Okay

I have tried call of duty

Too detailed
I have tried phasmaphobia, little nightmares,
Boring
Uneventful

[fathom schooner]

The knight has soul at all times because they are half pale being

[twilit gale]

Yeah that makes sense

[rocky jolt]

dung defender is infected because he releases orange particles when he dies

[forest kelp]

Who is this? They look familiar but idk

[fathom schooner]

Until we no longer control the knight, it has soul

[twilit gale]

They are a fully void creature

[atomic sparrow]

also don't husks primarily leak orange when you hit them anyways

[rocky jolt]

J "Big Man" Schlatt

[fathom schooner]

No, the knight is half pale being half void, and that only changes when they kill the radiance

[odd hull]

Jschlatt

[forest kelp]

Ohhh I’ve heard of them

[left tiger]

But their eye sockets?
Their bug body, those lines are creases in their body.

This also gives reason as to why void just sits a mass at the bottom of the world, or perhaps the center.
Because it is what the living are made of

[fathom schooner]

Hornet makes that clear at the abyss climb, the knight is half pale being (the half they share) and half void (the part needed to kill radiance)

[clear fulcrum]

So you tried three (pretty damn bad) games and now you’re judging every genre as bad, even though you haven’t played most of them? It’s not even like Silksong is exclusively one genre, it’s a blend.

[clear fulcrum]

does the knight even have his other half anymore?

[rocky jolt]

45 hours of crawfather

[left tiger]

I've played more
Didn't know you wanted 1 for every genre

[twilit gale]

Silksong is a game why are we treating it as a genre😭

[odd hull]

[twilit gale]

Like damn act 1 2 and 3 aren't THAT different

[clear fulcrum]

Well it’s so harsh to judge genres you havent even played when a game you do like has like 3 different types in one.

[humble surge]

this move actually looks pretty fun i might watch it

[clear fulcrum]

Because it pulls inspiration from different genres? duh?

[left tiger]

I have played more games in different genres
I can add to my list if you want

[twilit gale]

Which genres? It's a metroidvania

[humble surge]

anyway guys Pale Automaton is officially in playtesting atm heres the full thing for free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqmyiA8FejA

[hybrid flare]

chat is silksong a silksongvania now

[sudden turret]

a new silksong game came out! It's called Dark Souls 4 ☺️

[clear fulcrum]

why would you just include three bad games if you knew you had more 😭

[forest kelp]

It is actually pretty great. Good representation, good storyline, good conflict. It’s out on Netflix and prolly some other sites as well now

[odd hull]

No, it's a metroidsong. There's no rpg elements smh

[twilit gale]

Nah it's a metroidsilksong

[long grove]

silsonvania

[atomic sparrow]

yes

[clear fulcrum]

It pulls from platformers mainly

[left tiger]

Well because i'd have so much I'd be typing for 30 mins

[humble surge]

they made him a goat for obvius reasons 🔥

[twilit gale]

It's still just 1 game though

[clear fulcrum]

well why wouldnt you just mention ones that people typically consider to be good?

[clear fulcrum]

i never said it wasnt wtf 😭

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mustard-str8-lacking-kato-gif-9371728474647510227

[left tiger]

So you decide what games are good?

Just for a moment I thought opinions mattered. I guess not

[quartz cave]

me when the bloons are invading monkey city

[clear fulcrum]

kendrick when he shows me his mustard 🤤

[twilit gale]

Which games did you mention?

[rocky jolt]

u gotta stop dawg

[twilit gale]

I'm the last judge of games🔥

[manic hill]

Fireman hasn't dropped yet 💔

[left tiger]

Phasmaphobia
Call of duty
Little nightmares

[twilit gale]

I haven't played a single one of those😭

[left tiger]

Games I've tried)

[clear fulcrum]

Are you illiterate? I’m saying that if you don’t like genres that other people typically do enjoy, why would you mention games that nobody really likes besides the 12 yr old yelling slurs into his mic? It’s much more interesting if you’ve actually played games that are widely accepted as good, and still didn’t like them. Don’t be hostile if you can’t read.

[forest kelp]

I didn’t know call of duty was a metroidvania??

[hybrid flare]

[twilit gale]

Me neither

[terse heart]

silk's ong steel's oul

[clear fulcrum]

he mentioned it as a reason that he dislikes other genres, but no one even likes cod so…

[long grove]

Little nightmares Inside Limbo

[manic hill]

This channel is talking about everything except silksong 💔

[knotty osprey]

Little nightmares 1 & 2 ain’t bad

[odd hull]

Real

[knotty osprey]

3 sucks

[clear fulcrum]

everyone kinda just shuts down discussion related to silksong anyways

[quartz cave]

Whats on chat

[twilit gale]

So he chooses an online game to determine that every offline game is bad???

[long grove]

nop

[atomic sparrow]

oh I'm sure people like cod what are they even on cod 20? people are playing them

[left tiger]

This is what I mean

Socially accepted games
Get outta here with that nonsense, let people freely speak on what they want.

And you know silksong falls in here too

It's one of these spectacular things but it is flawed.

[forest kelp]

High key poeple only like call of duty because apparently the characters are hot. Nobody plays it for the actual game bro

[odd hull]

Wha

[manic hill]

I am grinding my ass in hollow knights pantheon 3 now

Will start silksong from tmr

[twilit gale]

You're alone on this one💔

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah but the point being is that it’s the equivalent of liking fortnite, you don’t actually like games you just play them with your friends yknow?

[long grove]

hot whaat?

[quartz cave]

What the hell

[clear fulcrum]

I LITERALLY EXPLAINED MY POINT AND YOU STILL CANT READ??

[quartz cave]

The characters in that ar eliterally just soldiers in that ugly ass green shade

[knotty osprey]

What

[atomic sparrow]

there's gotta be someone who'd enjoy it solo

[clear fulcrum]

I wanted to actually listen to your unique perspective but you’re so hostile that it’s impossible

[quartz cave]

No they play that game because those boring as hell people only like guns or sports

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/rvepvnTpHd0.gif

[forest kelp]

All the media I’ve seen of cod is thirst traps and thirst trap cosplays..

[clear fulcrum]

Surely! but they aren’t the majority

[hybrid flare]

Popular consensus of a game = how one enjoys a game apparently

[left tiger]

@clear fulcrum

Why are you trying to shut down arguments on games YOU think NOBODY likes?

[clear fulcrum]

nubbie i am begging you to read what i said

[manic hill]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-empty-brain-out-brain-meme-brain-no-brain-meme-gif-1120718379326435330

[forest kelp]

Idk I’ve never played cod idk what it’s like

[twilit gale]

So silksong should be a 1/10 because a lot of people ragequit at skull tyrant?

[quartz cave]

Anyway i dont get rhe points being made what are the two people fighting about

[long grove]

u’re generalizing

[odd hull]

P3 & P4 are cool, good luck

[rocky jolt]

this chat is always debating some bullshit

[manic hill]

Uumuu is evil bro

[quartz cave]

Come on and tell me that isnt their majority

[odd hull]

The entire day bro

[manic hill]

Why can't you let me fight with quirrel

💔

[clear fulcrum]

The majority of people don’t consider cod or little nightmare to be genre defining? You don’t even think that. Why would i wanna hear you judge a genre for it’s bad games when I could hear you judge a genre for the games people actually like?

[twilit gale]

I just debate for the love of the game. I kinda agree with the opposition most of the time😭

[rocky jolt]

im tired of the piracy debates boss

[hybrid flare]

...You like fortnite if you play it with your friends that's a valid reason to like fortnite

[left tiger]

What?
That's not a flaw
That's just player skill.
Can silksong players identify what's wrong with their game, please?

[terse heart]

spoopy

[left tiger]

It's all you you you
That's all I'm hearing

[odd hull]

Do you know what to do?
I fought so many times before a friend explained how it works 🥀 still lame boss

[clear fulcrum]

Sure! But it’s a social thing first, game design second. And a majority of people who play Fortnite don’t even play that many other games? I’m not judging them, I’m just saying that it’s true.

[quartz cave]

Im not sure what the peoples general opinion has to do with this whats the original point again

[manic hill]

Yeah spank those ooma jellyfishes into its face

But I blow myself up in the process

[clear fulcrum]

then you’re purposefully shutting down when i was coming into this with an open mind.

[hybrid flare]

Doesn't mean its popular consensus is hating it

[long grove]

the less Ik the better reference

[terse heart]

BLAST THOSE STEPS

[twilit gale]

What's wrong with silksong? I can say a lot of things bad about it but you as an "outsider" should start first since apparently you know more than me even though you haven't even played it

[forest kelp]

BLAST THEM

[fiery burrow]

so many times I've met people who call themselves gamers but they only play call of duty, fifa, or ultrakill

[left tiger]

What is so open minded about being closed minded?

[forest kelp]

Honestly tho I actually likes blasted steps

[knotty osprey]

This chat is entertaining to read

[hybrid flare]

[atomic sparrow]

so you? (ultrakill)

[clear fulcrum]

His original point is that he doesn’t like any genre besides metroidvanias, so i asked him for other games he played from different genres. He gives me some that are widely disliked, so all I asked was for him to tell me the games that he’s played that are widely considered to be “good”. Then he got mad.

[quartz cave]

Geniunely WHAT are tall yalking about

[terse heart]

👀

[manic hill]

"I should just let it happen cuz the less I know the better and I am a brand new person but with same old mistakes",

[hybrid flare]

Man ultrakill is such a generic shooter i hate it

[long grove]

set the wood on fire

[manic hill]

I hate dead cells

[twilit gale]

I'm a gamer cause I beat karmelita in 6 attempts 😎

[terse heart]

yo whats this

[twilit gale]

Apparently

[odd hull]

It's terrible lmao

[quartz cave]

Well if this is the case then the answer is quite simply
Cant yall accept both of you might be right & wrong

[clear fulcrum]

city of steel npc

[forest kelp]

Woah what the heck?? I have no idea bro

[twilit gale]

Where the fuck is this I'm in act 3😭

[long grove]

get tamed

[terse heart]

I think it's steel soul only

[forest kelp]

Ohhh

Yeah that makes sense

[manic hill]

Steel soul jins wife ?

[atomic sparrow]

Growstone? repeatedly breakable shell shards, 120 I think? same as beast shard?

[manic hill]

Ikr

[clear fulcrum]

I didn't ever give my opinion though? how could I be wrong about anything? All i asked was for him to enlighten me about games that people don't consider to be bad?

[quartz cave]

You dont necessarily need to play a great game of a genre to know if its for you or not, but you also cannot just say all the other genres suck because of three games

[manic hill]

What y'all larping Abt ?

[clear fulcrum]

just scroll up bro

[clear fulcrum]

That's what i WAS saying bro 😭

[quartz cave]

I saw them and yeah, COD is pretty much what the average fps shooter game is, it can tell you yes or no whether you like that genre

[minor sierra]

Why is it sk

[long grove]

from the creators of "Piracy posts":

[manic hill]

Gnx > Iceman

[minor sierra]

And not ss

[twilit gale]

You can't say ANYTHING about if a game is good or not if you play call of duty of all games😭

[manic hill]

The fall off > gnx

[terse heart]

steel soul

[clear fulcrum]

Not really, average doesn't mean a competent shooter? If I played a really shitty platforming it doesn't actually inform me of anything

[quartz cave]

Little nightmares isnt a revolutionary game but it is one that can just outright tell you if you like that kinda games or not

Phasmophobia i havent tried so i cannot compare to that

[quartz cave]

No you are misunderstanding game quality iwth general genres mechanically

[clear fulcrum]

It's really not.. horror games have so many facets to them that Little Nightmares can't really DEFINE a game.

[manic hill]

Is there any area like this piece of shit in silksong ???

[quartz cave]

If i dont like the gameplay loop of a fps shooter, i dont like playing competitively with other people like that, a great game of the same genre probably wont make me change my mind on it

[forest kelp]

hold on did this guy ever say that other genres were bad or if they just disliked the other genres. Cuz if it’s the latter and they didn’t actually say other genres were bad then I don’t see what the problem is. Theyre entitled to their opinion.

[clear fulcrum]

Dude if someone played only the first 2 areas of HK, it would be an objectively bad game. I wouldn't say that you ever actually experienced an actual metroidvania.

[quartz cave]

If i liked the core mechanics but i thought this game was bad then that point would apply

[cedar trench]

barely even the point

[clear fulcrum]

They said they dislike every other genre 😭

[terse heart]

purified dicks

[atomic sparrow]

kinda?

[twilit gale]

Sands of karak

[quartz cave]

Im sorry what
The hells this for

[cedar trench]

about 3 of them

[clear fulcrum]

Our youth literally spends their free time solely with other people but i guess that doesnt matter

[manic hill]

Holy fuck

[quartz cave]

Playing the first two areas of a game vs playing a game and deciding you dont like it fundamentally is NOT at all the same thing

[cedar trench]

two and a half

[forest kelp]

Then they dislike every other genre. Doesn’t mean other genres are bad, just that they aren’t for them. Why are we trying to make this fellow play games they don’t like?

[manic hill]

Bilewater ik cuz it's famous and other 2 ???

[fiery burrow]

another fast paced movement shooter inspired by doom 😒

[twilit gale]

Bile water is chill. Putrified ducts however is the worst piece of garbage I've ever seen

[ashen barn]

wormways i guess? maybe?

[quartz cave]

Horror itself isnt a genre tl me, of course ln cannot define everything under the tag horror

[fiery burrow]

its even set in hell

[cedar trench]

suburbs have 0 third spaces car centric architecture has been oneshotting you guys

[hybrid flare]

when are we getting smt original ughh

[clear fulcrum]

Yes it is? The first two areas of HK don't even scrape the potential of a metroidvania? That's the point, bad games don't actually do their genre justice. If you play a bad Sonic game then you haven't experienced an actual competent platformer.

[cedar trench]

also the lead poisoned boomers all over are an interesting case study in themselves

[atomic sparrow]

dawg silksong is right there!

[hybrid flare]

Like a story-based shooter with a mute protagonist killing aliens and a space empire

[forest kelp]

Bilewater is perfectly okay. Good platforming, good puzzles. Putrified ducts, on the other hand, is the worst area known to man

[fiery burrow]

silksong being the only metroidvania with an original story 🥹

[clear fulcrum]

I never did?? holy shit this discord has such a problem with misconstruing discussion for aggression. All I asked was for their opinion on games and they got mad at me?

[hybrid flare]

[quartz cave]

You arent getting the point at all and then are misrepresenting it
You know give me a monute im switching to my pc cause

[atomic sparrow]

🥹 its peak!

[manic hill]

I see

[twilit gale]

Who the fuck is basing their opinions about hollow knight from only forgotten crossroads or silksong from only the marrow?

[worthy lintel]

Silksong's story is just copy pasted from HK smh my head

[hybrid flare]

marrow is pretty damn cool

[fiery burrow]

the marrow is good

[atomic sparrow]

wait this is tuff

[fiery burrow]

so is crossroads but yeah slow start

[cedar trench]

silksong being quasi-identical to hk in preise makes this funnier

[clear fulcrum]

It's the equivalent of basing your opinion on entire genre from a poorly made game 😭

[long grove]

piece of human insect garbage = that bell I can't pass through (i don't remember where it is)

[knotty osprey]

Peak?

[forest kelp]

Can’t judge a game based off the tutorial biome

[clear fulcrum]

THATS THE POINT

[twilit gale]

The marrow is kinda just fc 2.0

[clear fulcrum]

No thats choral chambers

[cedar trench]

without the cool visuals and ambience

[fiery burrow]

FC has a bit more reason to backtrack

[hybrid flare]

fc but peak

[twilit gale]

What the fuck???

[clear fulcrum]

The marrow can't be FC because it's in such a linear act

[manic hill]

Crossroads has a dull aesthetic and a slow start the game rlly becomes good after fungal wastes ngl

[fiery burrow]

Nah marrow is awesome

[quiet hawk]

Tbf it did seem like you got mad first, this whole discussion seems really silly

[odd hull]

fc?

[forest kelp]

What does FC mean?

[quartz cave]

ok now listen to me

[twilit gale]

Choral chambers is the best act 2 area

[cedar trench]

just a little. I prefer FF and DD

[hybrid flare]

Till it becomes IC and ass

[quartz cave]

let me rephrase your point

[cedar trench]

karak is staring at you right in the face

[long grove]

Silksong is a shot for shot remake of HK

[rocky jolt]

forgotten crossroads is so atmospheric

[clear fulcrum]

he literally said that i was taking away peoples rights to opinions when all i was asking was for his opinions?

[forest kelp]

????

[hybrid flare]

dark souls 2 and 3 are remakes of dark souls 1 guys

[twilit gale]

Everyone just abbreviate any names of the areas in hk or sk so that only people who know ball can converse

[manic hill]

Also I wanna play silksong for karmelita the boss fight seems cool af and the boss itself looks cool

[clear fulcrum]

he LITERALLY got mad at me first there is no way you could deny that

[graceful oyster]

Gosh everybody just misunderstands you all the time, this entire channel of constantly flowing personnel and opinion bases should learn to be better

[cedar trench]

it's gonna take a while

[terse heart]

JUST BARLEY MADE RASHERS

[quartz cave]

a real point would be either
you cannot judge all shooters for one match of COD and you cannot judge a metroidvania only by playing the first few areas
OR
You cannot judge all shooters for a bad shooter and you cannot judge a metroidvania for a bad metroidvania, you are mixing the measures and that just doesnt make sense

[forest kelp]

Ohhh well now that I know that it’s abbreviations I understand them lol

[twilit gale]

EXCEPT FOR CRYSTAL PEAKS DO NOT ABBREVIATE CRYSTAL PEAKS

[manic hill]

Act 3 ryt ?

[cedar trench]

yes

[clear fulcrum]

Well yeah, if you're gonna force your way into a discussion that you don't know the context of then it is on you? What is this even trying to say 😭

[manic hill]

Karmelita seems to me like the nkg of silksong

[hybrid flare]

It is honestly more akin to ds2 which is much more valid

[clear fulcrum]

HOW

[quartz cave]

you are also confusing liking a videogame with liking a genre

[forest kelp]

lol why??

[fiery burrow]

nah

[cedar trench]

you cannot judge a book by the first page nor the cover nor the book itself you need to judge a book by the people that like it

[quartz cave]

those two do not have to correlate at all

[twilit gale]

..........

[hybrid flare]

oh shit its ds23

[fiery burrow]

dark souls 2 is human made slop ❤️‍🩹

[odd hull]

She's peak indeed

[twilit gale]

No? Just judge it by reading through it😭

[graceful oyster]

I'm passive aggressively saying you're the issue, not everyone else

[hybrid flare]

Now move it a lil bit and itll warp into forza horizon for some reason

[quartz cave]

shit like for example

[clear fulcrum]

Fine i'll make a different analogy
If you were like a knight or whatever, and you were testing out a rapier. You wouldn't judge all rapiers just because of a poorly made on that's dull right?

[forest kelp]

???

[atomic sparrow]

y'know what ain't? Silksong

[twilit gale]

Silkslop

[fiery burrow]

the difference is that all metroidvanias are garbage

[twilit gale]

Slopsong

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah even though I'm in the right here, whatever, your logic didn't even make sense? If you're gonna hate at least do it correctly.

[hybrid flare]

TRUTH NUKE

[cedar trench]

aaaaand who has time for that? If you like "shakespeare" you don't matter to me as aperson

[hybrid flare]

go and play cooking mama "gamers"

[quartz cave]

I dont really like racing games, i fundamentally dont like majority of them they dont appeal to me nor they entertain me, ive played several kinds of racers, both realistic and kart, they are just not for me

[graceful oyster]

[graceful oyster]

Some comments deserve a feelspkman and nothing more

[quartz cave]

however i like mario kart world, because its a good game, those two statements dont have to contradict

i can like one game of a genre without liking the genre as a whole and youre misrepresenting that

[manic hill]

I gotta sleep

[hybrid flare]

Is mario kart world a good game though?

[fiery burrow]

i mean racing games are kinda for kids real men play euro truck simulator 2

[clear fulcrum]

See? I wouldn't judge you for that. But mentioning 3 games that are irrelevant to most genres and are widely considered to be bad games and then getting angry at me for asking for more is not my fault 😭

[cunning geode]

you all should sleep

[manic hill]

2 am here gn

[clear fulcrum]

yeah

[cedar trench]

i fucking hate deckbuilders (more like dickbuilders) but balatro is good because it has -1 deckbuilding elements

[hybrid flare]

[quartz cave]

one game can be good or it can be bad and that depends on you more than anything else

[twilit gale]

Why would anyone matter to you other than friends and family😭

I don't care if you like my favorite book

[hybrid flare]

Now i know why i shouldn't trust you

[clear fulcrum]

This is nuance slop that doesn't even apply 😭

[pastel bone]

yo

[odd hull]

Heloo

[clear fulcrum]

have you even played it

[quartz cave]

and this is the other point

[hybrid flare]

yes its cheeks

[cedar trench]

i am being ironic and overly aggressive for comedic effect

[twilit gale]

I was not being ironic😭

[clear fulcrum]

what's cheeks about it

[quartz cave]

people not generally liking a game does not mean you can or cannot enjoy it

[cunning geode]

wario

[hybrid flare]

Playing the game sucks

[cedar trench]

yes because you misunderstood me twice

[quartz cave]

nor does it mean that its a bad representation of the genre

[fresh trout]

this is amazing discussions about silksong guys

[hybrid flare]

open world my ass bro

[pastel bone]

yo alr beat False Warrior and Hornet with newbie gear am i good or nah?

[hybrid flare]

The larp is working guys

[quartz cave]

you can have them play the best visual novel ever and theyll like it but if they dont like visual novels fundamentally then they wont like all the other ones

[pastel bone]

hornet was easyier ngl

[cedar trench]

## 👍

[quartz cave]

thats the issue with your argument

[clear fulcrum]

i NEVER said this. All I said is that it's more interesting for you to dislike a genre based on games that most people typically like, rather than games that most do not.

[odd hull]

Go to #hk-discussion , you will have a happier time there trust.

[twilit gale]

So you're saying that people who just played silksong to find any reason to hate on it have valid opinions?

[quartz cave]

i know you didnt say this i was literally leading to my main point

[cedar trench]

sure

[cunning geode]

good job, hollow knight doesn’t really have “gear” though so that’s kinda a funny word to use

[cedar trench]

any opinion is valid what kind of point is that it's an opinion

[clear fulcrum]

if they fundamentally won't like other visual novels then they wouldnt like a "good one" based on those fundamentals..

[cedar trench]

some opinions are more valid than others but like past a certain point everything's fair game

[quartz cave]

exactly this is your entire issue in the argument

you dont have to like a game genre for you to enjoy one of their games

[clear fulcrum]

there is NO argument, all i was asking for was to hear his opinions on more games 😭

[quartz cave]

as i previously mentioned

[cunning geode]

i’m seeing another endless argument

[cedar trench]

naked grandma

[cunning geode]

NAKED HUH?

[twilit gale]

HUH

[opaque sigil]

spoon found in kitchen

[quartz cave]

argument, debate, discussion, they all mean the same thing you know

[terse heart]

yas queenary

[atomic sparrow]

silk found in song 🥶

[clear fulcrum]

you have to at least like aspects of that genre? Otherwise you'd have to completely ignore the genre it pulls some inspiration from and choose to only look at the other parts.

[twilit gale]

Double fire beats ice

Change your message NOW

[quartz cave]

your argument being, they cannot decide if they like a genre or not based on a bad game from it

but a game doesnt have to be good to represent a genre

[clear fulcrum]

Would asking for someones opinions without ever giving your own be anything more than listening?

[quartz cave]

it has to be fundamentally like it

[clear fulcrum]

a debate has to be two people with differing opinions conversing about said opinions

all i asked was for him to tell me his opinions, the debate started with you interjecting yourself

[quartz cave]

why are you acting like i just insulted you by saying you had an argument, you do have one, and were arguing,, that doesnt have to be a bad thing

[cedar trench]

rich girl in my school 99% got a nosejob #thefuck

[quartz cave]

im just trying to explain the situation

[clear fulcrum]

If a game is bad, then it must do things poorly? A knife is still a knife, but if it's dull then it doesn't achieve its purpose?

[clear fulcrum]

with YOU 😭

[quartz cave]

youre viewing it way two dimensionaly

[long grove]

I still remember when this chat was silent

[exotic cedar]

im so fucking happy

[rocky jolt]

ts granite yo!

[odd hull]

Good times

[quartz cave]

so? your point is still called an argument?? what?

[odd hull]

What happened?

[clear fulcrum]

No I'm not? Sonic forces is still a platformer, but it's a really automated one that doesn't let you platform, therefore it's a bad representation of the genre.

[long grove]

hey hey hey, that's on u

[twilit gale]

Back when the song wasn't in the silk😔

[quartz cave]

yes, a game can do things wrong or poorly, it doesnt mean that it does everything poorly

[odd hull]

Whyyy

[long grove]

u jinxed "this chat is so calm"

something like that

[clear fulcrum]

my discussion with you started because you were trying to say that we could both be wrong and right, the point being is that i never had anything to be wrong or right ABOUT. You created a debate between me and you that I had no intention on every arguing for.

[quartz cave]

a game can have boring or uninteresting gameplay, and still be fundamentally similar to its genre, its not too hard of a concept

[exotic cedar]

i was struggling to brutal p-rank a level in ultrakill yesterday now that i tried today i got it first try 🥹

[clear fulcrum]

If a soup that has a great broth also has a ton of bad vegetables, you wouldn't judge the broth right?

[odd hull]

Ah yeah. I suggested the guy to play other games. Butterfly effect I guess

[quartz cave]

???? did you not make a point or did i just hallucinate that you said that they shouldnt judge everything based on three games that are considered bad by people

[cunning geode]

some say they’ve been going on for centuries

[fiery burrow]

gg

[long grove]

LIS reference

[graceful oyster]

I just got Reaper and ohhhh my gooosh the pogo is so good, and I love the extra silk

[quartz cave]

that thing you said is called an argument, you argued that

[exotic cedar]

ty

[quartz cave]

doesnt mean someone fighting with eachother

[graceful oyster]

Gonna be hard for the game to pull me away from this crest