sk-discussion

[calm trench]

sort of

I only have a single memory of it now

and it is like 1/2 second long

so it's mostly fine

[crisp heron]

is it the sausage hanging from the dudes pants

[calm trench]

it is now <}:(

[crisp heron]

you are welcome

[rare juniper]

Flies Past

[vivid reef]

hey i think we should identify whatever flying object that way

[torpid swift]

DID YOU SEE THAT

[spare fractal]

hi spoopy!

[crisp heron]

howdy potato!

[crisp heron]

Technically a ufo cant be a ufo cause if you identify it as a ufo then it is no longer an unidentified flying object so its kind of an ifo as soon as it is seen

[spare fractal]

how are you doing, my gloobotastic friend?

[fathom schooner]

Cuz GMS IS a pushover until lace is boutta die

[crisp heron]

im so fricking epic i got 300% on cuphead without dying once today how about you brocake!

[fathom schooner]

One of SS themes is literally "maternal instinct can bring out strength in even the weakest of creatures"

[crisp heron]

one of its themes is also red maiden i like that one

[rotund peak]

More broadly I'd argue that it's just motherhood

[fathom schooner]

GMS isnt putting everything into fighting you, because its just you versus her

But shes also the only one holding all of pharloom together during all of act 3

[rotund peak]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-i-think-i-agree-with-that-statement-metal-gear-rising-gif-25924558

[crisp heron]

hey i am too

[rotund peak]

Uh well no GMS is the one pulling Pharloom into the void

[fathom schooner]

I will say i wish she had more health because dear god she dies SO easily if you have max tool or needle damage (at least act 2 needle)

[ornate perch]

Guys what should I use on Savage Shitfly 2 in my Steel Soul run

[rotund peak]

Purple cogfly

[fathom schooner]

No no, the void is using her threads to attempt to drag pharloom into the void, shes resisting as long as possible because lace is with her in her silk bubble in the void ocean

[umbral ether]

i assume the reason she is easy is because of cursed ending

[fathom schooner]

That is the gameplay reason

But normally fighting her she dies in like 20 seconds

[rotund peak]

Mmmm no, she's holding onto Pharloom in an attempt to save lace, the void itself isn't conscious like that

[orchid spruce]

there are bazillion other ways to make her hard but keep the cursed ending doable

it's probably just to mirror sealed vessel

[fathom schooner]

Ss kinda pointed that the void isnt conscious but it DOES aggressively seek life/soul

[umbral ether]

maybe they could have made her have the current hp if you were cursed but have more hp if you aren't

[fathom schooner]

And pharloom is COVERED in soul, all the silk is full of it

The void is aggressively ripping apart the land because GMS covered everything in silk, and its all still attached to her

[rotund peak]

Well sure but it's not smart enough to purposefully use GMS' silk to possess Pharloom, GMS is the one using the silk to hold on, the silk is just tainted with the void

[fathom schooner]

Hense why hornet is so overtly pissed when she realizes the shamans unleashed the void upon GMS

[orchid spruce]

void just follows into pharloom through the strings

[fathom schooner]

Its not conscious you are correct, its kinda like a slime mold moving twords food

[orchid spruce]

the shamans did nothing wrong, blame stupid lace

[rotund peak]

Well using the void was definitely reckless tho

[fathom schooner]

It's not intentionally using GMS, it's just that the shamans summoned the void ON the creature attached to the entire fucking kingdom she covered in soul

[atomic sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422448194476048403/1364991705425776771/unknown.gif

[ornate perch]

Should I get to 8 masks or is 7 enough

[orchid spruce]

lace has potential but it's unused so basically not a good character

[fathom schooner]

"Reckless" no it was outright disastrous and it would have killed everyone if VOID GIVEN FOCUS wasnt just vibin in the sea of darkness

[severe steeple]

who made the fleas

need flea mom lore

[orchid spruce]

it would have been the happy ending if lace wasn't an irredeemable bitch

[fathom schooner]

Watch SOS give us more fleas : D

[spare fractal]

oh that's amazing! I'm happy for you, ploopster!
as for myself, I am doing well! had a really nice day, ate mcdonalds with my family, it was lovely

[orchid spruce]

and do nothing meaningful

[severe steeple]

😄

[fathom schooner]

She does something meaningful, she has issues with the mother that dosent love her

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-fragerance-zaza-weed-smell-gif-1465592918119721207

[crisp heron]

now thats what i call absoglooply epic beans what did you get i always get chicken nuggies

[fathom schooner]

Also she kinda made hornet NOT die at the end of act 2 so

[rocky jolt]

can someone edit this but replace the word zaza with an image of silksong zaza

[fathom schooner]

Hornet was getting dragged into the void (portal?, summoning? Hole to the abyss?) Until lace wacked GMS

[spare fractal]

I got some fries, chicken nuggets, and an italian McChicken! (despite their name they are NOT actually from italy)

[fathom schooner]

Ill grant you i want lace to do more but the entire story shes kinda holding onto GMS brainwashing for dear life until GMS is very obviously dying

And then she cant really do much when shes trapped at the bottom of the void

[crisp heron]

heck fricking yeay i need mcdonalds so bad now

[fathom schooner]

I would say lets hope SOS gives lace more stuff, but seeing as its the first DLC i doubt itll actually affect the main story

[crisp heron]

its almost 4am but mcdonalds is only like a 5 minute walk

[severe steeple]

lace finds purpose in act 4

[crisp heron]

probably too risky idek if its open

is mcdonalds 24/7 i dont think so righr

[severe steeple]

lace creates a shrine for her mother and it resummons gms and everything gets haunted again

[fathom schooner]

I think we'll need to wait for the godhome equivalent or an act 4 to actually do something other than "im gonna stab ya" and "man I stabbed my mom and your gonna jump into the void?"

[orchid spruce]

lace suffers from silksong having zero theme coherence

[orchid spruce]

i'm not mad that silksong's story is ass, i'm mad because there's so much wasted potential

[fathom schooner]

0 theme coherence is a little wild but elaborate please

[orchid spruce]

it could've been good

what is silksong's theme

what is the story about

[severe steeple]

alot of things

[opaque sigil]

I mean for acts 1 and 2 it's reasonably cohesive

[orchid spruce]

so basically nothing

[fathom schooner]

I was gonna say you cant pull that on HK either tho

[orchid spruce]

yes, act 1 and act 2 work

[severe steeple]

its a big game, it doesnt need to have only one storyline

[fathom schooner]

Because the theme changes drastically as everything goes on

[rocky jolt]

incredible

[umbral ether]

also the main draw of the game is the gameplay imo

[orchid spruce]

the citadel narrative was written well even with all the little hidden things like Loam or the old robot

[rotund peak]

10

[orchid spruce]

then it falls off a cliff

[fathom schooner]

Okay well my biggest complaint about act 3 was that it felt like fanservice for HK so i actually kinda get that

[severe steeple]

so why is act 3 no cohesive, is it because it draws back on hollow knight or why

[ornate perch]

So until Act 3?

[orchid spruce]

so no theme coherence, that's what i hear?

[fathom schooner]

Like, the solution to GMS is the void is a bit ????

[umbral ether]

i don't really see what you mean

[atomic sparrow]

fight against your pale king genes or something like that

[fathom schooner]

Hk did the same thing tho

[orchid spruce]

?

when did HK do that

[fathom schooner]

Hk didn't stick to a theme through the whole game basically EVER

For the first half it literally LACKS one

You are given no goal, no aim, just thrown at the ruins with a protagonist that dosent speak

You get your goal, but then it shifts once you actually even get the capacity to complete it, shifting AGAIN

[raw pawn]

The world in HK is darker than sk

[severe steeple]

yeah idk what do people want more of the citadel theme when act 3 is all about everything being dead and gms no longer being there

[orchid spruce]

no kingdom lasts forever

it's in the king's pass btw

[opaque sigil]

that's not what people want nor is that what act 3 is about

[umbral ether]

i mean yeah hollownest is dead by the time hollow knight takes place meanwhile pharloom is still alive

[fathom schooner]

If you think thats the theme its pretty bad at conveying that since hallownest is long dead upon arrival, and we STILL are trying to save it

[severe steeple]

yeah okay then what do people want? A less forced feeling third act or what are you talking about

[fathom schooner]

No kingdom lasts forever as our main goal is "clear the kingdom of its stasis"

[opaque sigil]

by letting it die

[fathom schooner]

We are literally perpetuating or breaking the infection

[orchid spruce]

the kingdom is already dead, we're putting it to rest

[umbral ether]

i like act 3 as the bosses in it are pretty fun

[opaque sigil]

ok but they mostly kinda suck actually

act 3 has some good ones but the average quality is pretty poor

[umbral ether]

maybe i do not remeber any boss aside from lost lace in act 3 tbh

[orchid spruce]

bell eater

[severe steeple]

theres like 3 bad bosses and all other ones are great

[atomic sparrow]

on a tier list of most suck to least suck who sucks the most

[rotund peak]

I like act 3 bosses :(

[opaque sigil]

zango, palestag, gurr, etc

[opaque sigil]

there are like 5 bosses

[fathom schooner]

Zango sucks tho

[umbral ether]

lost lace is fun imo

[orchid spruce]

don't forget bell eater

[opaque sigil]

lost lace is meh

[severe steeple]

oh how dare a boss not let me hit it permanently, terrible

[fathom schooner]

Bell eater annoyed me because i wanted to go check on bellhart and got UNSKIPPABLE FIGHT SCENE

[rotund peak]

Can't you just walk there? Get some exercise!

[orchid spruce]

stupid

[severe steeple]

I think most likely you were just starting to feel burnt out on the game on act 3. I took my sweet time with it, most bosses felt fun and well designed. Maybe your whole stance on act 3 is impacting your opinion on the bosses themselves

[orchid spruce]

no

[fathom schooner]

I forget if there's an arena blocking it or blocking the way past greymoor but i went into act 3 MASSIVELY unprepared on my first playthrough

[opaque sigil]

no? the bosses are on average lame

[fathom schooner]

I had 7 masks and needle 3 (of 5)

[opaque sigil]

there's also barely anything in act 3 but that's another matter

[rocky jolt]

why is lost lace peak

[umbral ether]

ive said it was fun

[fathom schooner]

Act 3 has no spools, 1 full mask, 1 needle upgrade and its main saving grace is THANK GOD FOR TELEPORT TO BELL BEAST

[severe steeple]

Like what please tell me and how some of the bad act 2 bosses arent lame. I agree that the bosses didnt leave as much of an impact but we are talking about the fights themselves

[opaque sigil]

I didn't say there weren't lame act 2 bosses

[atomic sparrow]

Peakvyrm 🥹

[fathom schooner]

Ill say that alot of bosses are way to easy/fast fights if you actually get upgrades

[opaque sigil]

that's a whole different statement lol

[orchid spruce]

whataboutism final boss

[fathom schooner]

Feels like you need to be underkitted for fights to actually last more than a minute

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans can't read

[severe steeple]

I want you to compare bad act 2 bosses with your statement of most act 3 bosses being lame

[severe steeple]

you cant interpret

[fathom schooner]

Honestly LL is the culmination for hornets defiance against the void

[opaque sigil]

literally nothing to do with what I said

but act 2 does in fact also have some bad bosses

[severe steeple]

then say it clearly. All you said sofar is that act 3 bosses are lame, I want you to tell me why you feel that way

[opaque sigil]

because... act 3 has not very many bosses... and many of them are bad......

[severe steeple]

I can tell you what I dislike most about act 3 bosses

[fathom schooner]

Having watched THK and the knight lose physical forms just to put down the radiance shes watched the void claim effectively every bug she cared about (except the mates we never see that she outlived) so LL is just her refusal to allow the void to destroy more things shes come to care about

[orchid spruce]

because he played good bosses

[opaque sigil]

I don't think this is that complicated gng

[umbral ether]

what don't you like about them

[torpid kiln]

Voltvyrm might be my bottom choice

[fathom schooner]

Honestly the only thing about act 3 bosses i dislike is the removal of urgency/feeling like hornet is fucking off her goal

[torpid kiln]

It’s just boring and lame and the reward is too good to avoid skipping it ever

[umbral ether]

i forgot that boss even existed

[orchid spruce]

voltvyrm is like mid

nothing offensive about it but it's not good neither

[torpid kiln]

Yeah at least Palestag and unraveled are memorable

[fathom schooner]

Most bosses are either blocking the path to the citadel, directly endager the towns of bugs, or are directly linked to the citadel and GMS

[opaque sigil]

palestag, zango, gurr, bell eater all just are bad, seth was disappointing, nyleth has like one attack that matters and every solution is spamming clawline, clover dancers die too fast and aren't an interesting evolution of cogwork dancers (and in fact undermine a lot of how fun the first fight was since one is intangible), pinstress is mediocre, lost lace is fine but not even as fun as lace 2

[torpid swift]

As a shaman enjoyer It's pretty memorable ngl because purple thing

[severe steeple]

The only bosses I consider "bad" in act 3 are zango, palestag maybe lostgarmond, maybe watcher at the edge. I do not see what you mean with many

[fathom schooner]

But then act 3 bosses are just "i need you to die so i can jump into the dark puddle" or "i could be saving pharloom but ima fight you instead"

[opaque sigil]

oh and khann was basically just ripped from early game and copy pasted into late game, wate is a nothing burger, lost garmond is ass

[torpid kiln]

I actually don’t mind bell eater anymore cuz fighting it with the pimpillos makes it way more fun

[torpid kiln]

It’s like playing arcade basketball

[severe steeple]

yes thats what I said before but thats not the bosses themselves being bad but rather act 3 problems

[fathom schooner]

Fighting anything with pimpillos is fun, its a bug hand grenade

[opaque sigil]

act 3 is just underwhelming and the only really stellar bosses it has are karm and crawfather

[rotund peak]

Khann my goat 🙏

[torpid kiln]

Hegehegeheyyeg

[torpid kiln]

Seth?

[orchid spruce]

i genuinely think you just don't play enough bosses to have a standard

[opaque sigil]

spams teleports and blocks the fight feels very monotonous

[orchid spruce]

but that's alright

[opaque sigil]

seth is like fine

[fathom schooner]

I get pimpllios pretty early just because of how fun they are and also screw flying enimies

[torpid kiln]

I really enjoy Seth

[orchid spruce]

shield throw

[torpid kiln]

It’s a proper duel

[fathom schooner]

I liked the seth fight until it ended too fast after it killed me 12 times

[torpid kiln]

Also pinstress is overhated

[atomic sparrow]

hey now theres always his lore

[fathom schooner]

Then again that might be shaman being busted amounts of burst damage

[orchid spruce]

i don't like having an offscreen snipe in my duel fight

[opaque sigil]

yeah pinstress is just also bland

[torpid swift]

Shaman is awesome

my goat

[fathom schooner]

Pinstress feels like a slower and more boring 2nd sentinel

[torpid kiln]

All of this just sounds like you need to mix up your play style

[torpid swift]

Pinstress is just senti + whatever bs the primal aspid has

[fathom schooner]

She floats around alot, dosent even threatened damage with her X slash, and just avoids you the entire fight

[orchid spruce]

what does that even mean

[torpid kiln]

She fights like hornet which I really appreciate

[opaque sigil]

I have, it doesn't really help

[fathom schooner]

So, it just turns into jump at her with circlet gameplay

[lavish stratus]

What lore?

[severe steeple]

lost garmond is not terrible in the way other fights are its just unoriginal and surprisingly difficult. Khann is not a bad fight whatsoever and you think hes too easy as hes "early game" but that doesnt count in the whole tower

[torpid swift]

true.. though maybe it's just me who is terrible at the game 💔

[atomic sparrow]

that's the joke!!!!!!! w lore

[opaque sigil]

khann's tower doesn't really matter that much when it has a shortcut that lets you skip it if you die

khann didn't have to be a total fucking joke

[torpid kiln]

Use the weaver railgun

[fathom schooner]

Which, like, i love circlet, but at the same time half of circlet fun is realizing "i jump alot around this boss, i can do some major damage" not "im gonna spend 90% of this fight TRYING to get into range of this boss, i need circlet"

[torpid kiln]

Coral tower is a fucking blast I wish Khann wasnt’t just god tamer tier

[lavish apex]

larmond is pretty ass

[fathom schooner]

Nah use circlet and your choice of grenade electric or fire grenade

[torpid swift]

larmond

larpmond

[severe steeple]

But is the fight itself bad? It has bad elements like the small arena but saying its bland is once again just an act 3 issue of being another quest checkbox type boss. That I also think is bland and bad but the boss itself isnt

[torpid kiln]

Larmond just makes me sad. Funny as fuck to annihilate him with the railgun

[lavish apex]

l(ost)

[torpid kiln]

Yeah act 3 does have a bunch of lame fights doesn’t it

[torpid swift]

People just disliking silksojg because it isn't hollow knight

[opaque sigil]

Yes the fight is boring

[torpid kiln]

Larmond and watcher really stick out as jsut Blegh

[fathom schooner]

Nah i love silksong

I want the fights to last longer than 1 and a half minutes

[torpid kiln]

Tempted to put Nyleth there too

[opaque sigil]

hollow knight bosses are also mostly pretty mediocre

[fathom schooner]

You basically have to be underkitted for bosses to actually be hard

[raw pawn]

Research shows over 99% of alive people are alive

[lavish apex]

the main ones are good except for bell eater

[atomic sparrow]

what about that 1%

[orchid spruce]

oh my bell eater

[torpid swift]

mio bosses

[fathom schooner]

HK has like 3 bosses that are actually difficult, a small handful of bosses that could give you a challenge, and the rest are just named fodder

[torpid swift]

and nine sols bosses

[dusky bough]

I BEAT PATH OF PAIN!!!

[torpid swift]

Err wrong chat

[atomic sparrow]

congrats

[orchid spruce]

nice

[fathom schooner]

Dosent help that HK handed out damage buffs like fuckin candy

[torpid swift]

But congrats!

[orchid spruce]

[fathom schooner]

Silksong dosent hand out damage buffs like candy and things STILL die too fast

[torpid kiln]

Yeah shaman and strength placements are honestly criminal, we were spoiled and team cherry took it personally

[severe steeple]

how so, how is a fast nimble boss that fights like a chaotic version of second sentinel be so boring to you. are you sure you arent letting all of your negative thoughts of act 3 impact the fight itself. I just refought her recently and the fight is well made and flows decently

[lavish apex]

they really don't

[fathom schooner]

Enraged conchfly, why do you die in under a minute

[opaque sigil]

she's not that fast or nimble

[torpid kiln]

Agreed!!!!!

[orchid spruce]

eh it's just lame

[raw pawn]

I like how salubra sells you the strongest charm in the game for the equivalent of 5 dollars

[lavish stratus]

She floats around so much, she's more like a dream warrior than Second Sentinel.

[torpid swift]

Hey nine sols bosses! every boss is peak trust

[lavish apex]

unless you spam red tools or shaman silk skills everything has a super reasonable health pool

[severe steeple]

most constructive feedback I have heard sofar

[fathom schooner]

You dont have shaman silk skills for 90% of the game

And even then shaman dosent make fights go super fast

[severe steeple]

maybe if you chase her but thats not what youre intended to do

[raw pawn]

Nail go brr

*needle go brr

[fathom schooner]

Honestly shaman makes fights take a bit longer due to shitty healing forcing you to play more carefully to actually use silk offensively

[lavish apex]

pinstress is a buffed squatcraw aka annoying dogwater

[opaque sigil]

pinstress is another boss that maybe could've been fine as like a mid game encounter but in the context where she actually is it's just dull

[lavish stratus]

Waiting around isn't fun either.

[graceful oyster]

Real and bosses with 2 entities specifically are really really really good

[opaque sigil]

she's SO slow

[raw pawn]

Pinstress is just Pinterest

Both throw random BS at you

[orchid spruce]

i don't want to engage meaningfully with you, you've only shown you don't want to so far, with all the misquotes and whataboutisms

[severe steeple]

yeah I completely agree with that. I just want to say that i personally think the fight itself isnt bad

[torpid swift]

true..

[lavish apex]

nine sols doesn't really have a lot of bosses

[torpid swift]

I love all bosses except for like, the prison boss

I hate him

[graceful oyster]

Have you completed the game?

[opaque sigil]

it also generally has much better ones and I say this as somebody who does not really like 9s

[orchid spruce]

i give up caring about what people think about the rest of the game, just fight the final boss

[torpid kiln]

Brother what do you like

[torpid swift]

There's definitely not as much as silksong but there's a lot too

[lavish apex]

no but i'm assuming i have like 2 left

[opaque sigil]

many other games

[torpid kiln]

Such as?

[lavish apex]

discounting the various minibosses

[atomic sparrow]

Nine Sols Disrespect? Die

[lavish apex]

there just aren't that many

[opaque sigil]

I'm not gonna make a list of every game I like you're just gonna have to take my word for it

[orchid spruce]

what metroidvanias do you even like, tammo

[torpid kiln]

Give me two

[lavish apex]

which is fine because most of them are pretty good

[graceful oyster]

The minibosses are better imo than the average/subaverage HK/SS boss

[torpid swift]

mio

[orchid spruce]

oh ye mio

[opaque sigil]

mio, pop, hk, ss

[orchid spruce]

wait what you like silksong?

[torpid swift]

The first boss is already so sick

[orchid spruce]

i disown thy

[opaque sigil]

it's like a solid 7.5/10

[torpid swift]

Centaur thing

[orchid spruce]

is nine sols 6/10

[lavish apex]

i haven't been a huge fan of the minibosses but only one of them was like actually miserable

[atomic sparrow]

nine sols is 10/10

[lavish stratus]

No he's ragebaiting

[opaque sigil]

for my own safety I am not givine nine sols a number

[torpid kiln]

I might have to actually play Silksong

[orchid spruce]

4/10?

[torpid kiln]

I mean nine sols

[atomic sparrow]

big brother is watching you.

[torpid swift]

It's on sale right now

Nine sols is 11 bucks

[torpid kiln]

I’m working 40 hours a week

[orchid spruce]

i will kill anyone who swarms my boy for hating nine sols

[atomic sparrow]

nine sols for a cheap price?! satisfactory!

[orchid spruce]

is it 4/10

[fathom schooner]

I wish SS had a shade cloak

[torpid kiln]

Sharpdart

[lavish apex]

i've only really disliked the fucks and that guy

[opaque sigil]

shade cloak is lame

[orchid spruce]

no, iframe dash is not lame

[lavish apex]

goomy i might've hated if i wasn't overgeared

[opaque sigil]

it is when it's an upgrade you later get that super awkwardly interacts with the flow of every fight you can access without it

[fathom schooner]

For one, that's a sharp shadow, not a shade cloak

For 2, i do not remove it ever because it is the fixed version of sharp shadow (o hated sharp shadow, it was ass)

[lavish apex]

but she went down in 2 attempts so the suffering was nonexistent

[torpid swift]

tell

[fathom schooner]

We love sharp dart

[torpid swift]

we all love silkspear

[severe steeple]

When a massive game has some big issues I dont let that impact my rating as much due to the sheer amount of experience I got from it. Say Elden Ring I consider a 9/10 even though it has massive issues I dont like

[severe steeple]

its kinda redundant

[torpid swift]

true

[lavish apex]

||shielded projectile spammer in warehouse||

[orchid spruce]

ooooo

that's just metroidvania metroidvaniaing

i suppose

[opaque sigil]

I mean no it's definitely avoidable by either not having an iframe dash or something like pop where you start with a ground dash but not an air dash

[torpid swift]

Does mio strider boost give iframe

[opaque sigil]

I mean it involves using dodge so

yes

[torpid swift]

mm

[graceful oyster]

1. You can ||disable the shield||
2. It's so fun what do you mean???!!! I loved having a miniboss that "forced" cstrike

It's like, my 2nd favorite miniboss

[fathom schooner]

Counterpoint, i frame dashes are cool, and open more design space

[true lantern]

Hey is there a mod for silksong that increases the size of the actual world by adding new zones and extra stuff into the game?

[opaque sigil]

ok then you can do that while having a combat system that's more consistently incorporating them through the other half of the sentence

[fathom schooner]

No i frame dash means assuming the player has 0 access to i frames ever and that forces different design since you now cant use attacks based around those i frames

[atomic sparrow]

I think so? some architect maps probably
but its pretty barebones and doesn't match the quality of the base game

[fathom schooner]

If your making a metroidvania im expecting a modification to the dash to be something you find

I mean im all for just making the base dash the I frame dash

But that would make the game harder by default

[orchid spruce]

yeah just gimme iframe dash from the start

[opaque sigil]

yes I think these attacks are way less interesting because they devalue positioning over an identical response to every attack lol

[torpid swift]

wait which one I didn't catch that

[fathom schooner]

Thats why there's attacks that require i frame dash, to either bait it out and force the player to actually dodge the attack, or punish the mis use of i frame dash

[opaque sigil]

most games with iframe dashes don't rely on a cooldown like hk and hk's cooldown is way too short to be all that meaningful

[fathom schooner]

I mean HKs cooldown IS slower than pretty much every bosses attack cooldown

[orchid spruce]

i'm now learning to have opinions i never had

[odd hull]

lol

[odd hull]

HK's cooldown is like, 3 weeks long

[opaque sigil]

and all the boss attacks take six months

[atomic sparrow]

six months? sea of sorrow in six months?

🤔 🤔 🤔

[fathom schooner]

Any boss thats intended to be fought after shade cloak attacks way faster than it recharges

Hk used shade cloak as an excuse to make bosses faster

[odd hull]

Both are slow yeah, but having a cooldown feels so bad

[opaque sigil]

I'm not saying it doesn't, I don't like shade cloak

[fathom schooner]

Actually, sole exception for traitor lord who attack AT the speed of shade cloak

[orchid spruce]

bc it's built around shade cloak

[opaque sigil]

I think it's kind of a lame ability that isn't used very interestingly for bosses and makes bosses that don't require it worse to fight

[fathom schooner]

Yes im aware but it makes the menacing figure with 2 mask damage a fuckin joke

[opaque sigil]

and the bosses that are gated behind it basically just sometimes get moving wall attacks which are pretty lame

[atomic sparrow]

w radiance beam!

[odd hull]

Traitor Lord and Radiance, right? I dont remember any other

[fathom schooner]

Honestly i preferred the bosses that slowly put you into a corner and forced shade cloak usage to make you go through them to un corner yourself

God tamer may not have been hard, but the slowly advancing duo would corner you if you didn't dash through them at some point

[odd hull]

I just pogo them

[opaque sigil]

those are the ones gated behind it

[odd hull]

Ok, I genuinely didn't remember if there was more

[opaque sigil]

technically also pv but it doesn't have anything that requires it, just the daggers which it's good for

[odd hull]

I never used against pv, it's so bad dashing to reposition yourself and spending the shadecloak like that

[torpid kiln]

Hairstylists be like man I got bald due at midnight

[night granite]

so i just realized if u manage to complete a spool while theres a cocoon you will lose your rosaries ;-;

[slender thistle]

Silksong

[slim thorn]

what

[lavish apex]

it simply puts too much shit on screen for me to keep track of

[high sparrow]

I migth be....

[lavish apex]

maybe uc solves that but i didn't have it so lol

[high sparrow]

Bee

[lavish apex]

those stupid sliding bombs are so tilting in that fight

[orchid spruce]

i don't like that one

it's more tolerable once when i find out i can parry bombs but

[queen acorn]

gooood mooornninnngg :3333

[orchid spruce]

it doesn't feel great

[crisp heron]

caroltower heroes!!!!

[queen acorn]

coral tower heroes

[patent warren]

The fact that in hollow knight and in silksong you can heal as long as you hit enemies Is op

[odd hull]

good morning

[queen acorn]

haiaiaiiiiii

[crisp heron]

hope you had an updootastic sleep!!!! lets get ready to win the internet today !

[queen acorn]

of course!!! reddit on three! one! two! three! reddit!!!!

[crisp heron]

REDDIT!!!!!

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/click-the-bart-funny-bart-family-guy-gif-16902794461515045373

[crisp heron]

reddit?? ive hardly reddit!!!!!

[queen acorn]

well memed my friend 🤣

[odd hull]

Real, where's my limited heals

[queen acorn]

i wonder if the game would really change in difficulty without unlimited heals

not many people are playing the long game with bosses anywway

[crisp heron]

i think silksong would be harder if the heal option was removed

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-damn-bro-daamn-that-was-obvious-realising-gif-24880382

[golden wave]

oh fr?

[crisp heron]

no it woukd be a little

deadlier.

[golden wave]

is this a reference of myself

[queen acorn]

that would make bosses a bit

deadly

[crisp heron]

no its a reference to carol deadly heroes

[golden wave]

oh

dang im not relevant enough

[queen acorn]

true

[golden wave]

give this man a true

[queen acorn]

no ones relevant

[golden wave]

fair

[crisp heron]

zotes wife is relevant

[queen acorn]

true

[crisp heron]

me zote and carol go way back wait did we know zote or know zotes wife

i forgot the continuum

[queen acorn]

i honestly forgot lmao

[golden wave]

bretta

[crisp heron]

deadly help us out which was it

[queen acorn]

yeah deadly

[golden wave]

i tihnk it was bretta

but she left him afterwards

[crisp heron]

mayhaps zotes wife was bretta

[queen acorn]

perchance

[golden wave]

we really got our girl stolen by zote of all people

[crisp heron]

you can just say perchance
there's nothing against it in the server rules

[queen acorn]

i think you mean we got our zote stolen by bretta of all people

[queen acorn]

heehehehee

[golden wave]

i mean she left him afterwards

after we humbled zote 10 times

[crisp heron]

notice how despite fighting him in the colliseum, the knight was unable to slay zote as it did every other enemy there

[queen acorn]

exactly

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/i/status/2055648513652879852

LambdaGeneration (@LambdaGen)

"We tried to warn them..." May 16, 200-

Happy Resonance Cascade Day!

X · May 16, 2026, 1:56 PM

[weary ferry]

im crine i first tried gms, i had a much harder time on lace 2

[queen acorn]

she is quite a bit easier

[orchid spruce]

lace can just kill her mother herself

[tepid birch]

Without spoiling can someone tell me if the act system correlates to approximate % of how much of the main story/overall game is done

Cause wtf im 30 hours and still on act 1,

[whole wind]

PK himself Silkposting

[tepid birch]

Have i genuinely only been going though the surface-level of the game

[lavish apex]

no

the majority of the game's content is in act 2

[tepid birch]

WHAT THE FUCK

😭

[whole wind]

15% of the game in Act 1, about 60% of the game in Act 2, and 25% of the game in Act 3 I'd say

[lavish apex]

i'd swap those numbers for act 1 and 3

maybe even make it like 30/10

[tepid birch]

Beating this game at the 200 hour mark

[fathom schooner]

Act 3 has way to much content thats not %

But yeah I'm not a huge fan of the flow of SS

[tepid birch]

The farthest i made it through hollowknight was beating false knoght

[fathom schooner]

You basically just directly march to the citadel, then your expected to fully in depth explore everywhere once you make it there

And then theres a little bit of stuff to do after the citadel

[rose trail]

Sonbrero 😭

[desert compass]

it genuinely was surprising when I found out bosses dont count as a %

[rose trail]

it's not that hard to js explore, but i would say it feels like filler exploring the citadel before cogwork idk why

[desert compass]

grandmother sonk 😭😭😭😭😭😭

no i get u honestly a lotttt of the rooms in choral chambers are just empty as hell

[ionic gale]

"little bit of stuff to do after the citadel"
7+ new areas unlocked from citadel abilities and a whole new act:

[desert compass]

but guys mount fay is just a small area trust

and u barely do anything in the memorium

trust trust if we ignore the whole huge ass choral chambers which connects to The Slab, Whispering Vaults, Cogwork Core, and The Underworks, the Memorium, and High Halls, theres actually not much to explore 💜 trust

[tepid birch]

the mist is crazy

Such a unique area i love this game

[ionic gale]

Also the new act 1 areas

Like sanss of karak, volt nest, etc

[timid sky]

sans of kirk

[slim burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-kirk-tony-stark-avengers-kirkified-gif-4618820868378725995

[long grove]

Sea of sorrow tomorrow folks

[old compass]

I will crucify you for saying that

[long grove]

If you crucify me, no maps for you

[honest field]

I believe

I need it

[whole wind]

Act 1 is like semi-linear while Act 2 is closer to Hollow Knight

You don't just directly march up to the citadel unless you don't care about exploration at all

[median fractal]

The thing is with Act 2 is that like

While it isnt exactly linear

You can just... get the melodies that are... right there.

[lavish stratus]

Dreamers were spread throughout Hallownest. All the melodies are in the Citadel, and can be gathered within 20 minutes of each other.

[stoic sigil]

The uhhhh Memorium of Monstrosities Expansion coming 2017

[remote talon]

i started a new run and i genuinely died to widow like 5 times already
how am i so bad at this fucking game

i literally got true ending

[ancient mortar]

widows one of the games harder bosses

especially with limited abilities of earlygame

[remote talon]

it's literally an act 1 boss

i died to bell beast 3 times as well

[sharp slate]

and suprisingly shes still threatening as hell in hitless consistency

[rose trail]

i died to bell beast 10 times

[sharp slate]

widow/phantom for hitless are actually real threats for hitless stuff which is funny

[ancient mortar]

Its because they're good bosses

[remote talon]

considering how terribly im doing on widow maybe i shouldn't start a steel soul run

[sharp slate]

you could always do 100% speed completion before steel soul

[remote talon]

i cant even get 100% non speed compleiton

i have 81 hours and 89%

[sharp slate]

oh then that first lol

for steel soul lace 2 tormented me the most

i really underestimated her with low gear tbh, i was a bit greedy

[remote talon]

"UYAAAHHHHHH"
- widow

WIDOW IS SO FUCKING EASY HOW DO I KEEP DYING

[crisp heron]

silksong

[remote jungle]

Widow is easy Widow is hard

[remote talon]

she's literally an act 1 boss

[remote jungle]

Still

Pretty hard for a act 1

[bleak gazelle]

Another thing is that it’s so hard to do combat without harpoon after having it for more than half the game

Having your only source of i-frames taken away sucks

[remote talon]

clawline gives iframes???

also ngl i dont use it that much in combat

[remote talon]

i lied it's 95 hours

[sage umbra]

Widow is a really good boss

[remote jungle]

The only times I used clawline in combat was gms and first sinner

[sage umbra]

might be the best in act 1

[bleak gazelle]

I used it every chance I got. It’s honestly such a powerful tool for repositioning, i-frames, silk requisition, and just an extra nail strike

[remote jungle]

I knew it was very useful in combat but didn't bother to use it

[steel escarp]

Just use the walls, and remember your silk spear so you don't waist any silk.

Tbh most bosses in silksong are only hard if you focus on surviving more than killing the enemy.

[remote talon]

i have threadstorm

[bleak gazelle]

Oh also, pogo is your friend. Pogo on widow, pogo on spikes, pogo to air stall

[remote talon]

i do all of that

[steel escarp]

She moves too much for good value on thread storm.

Swap off to silk spear.

[remote jungle]

Tbh threadstorm kinda useless in Widow fight

[steel escarp]

Clawline is amazing against Lost Lace.

Especially to punish her arial parry variant.

[queen acorn]

clawline is

[steel escarp]

ALSO-

Don't be afraid to get in widow's face.

She has a tendency to back-step if you press her while she calls bells so you can thread the needle between her and the bells to get good damage.

Wait-

[remote talon]

i play very aggressively but i keep getting clipped by the fucking bells

[steel escarp]

Are you running reaper, Hunter, or beast?

[remote talon]

hunter

reaper and beast suck ass

[remote jungle]

[steel escarp]

Beast is absolutely amazing, especially if you can't avoid getting hit.

Healing a mask extends fury by 1.5 seconds, and since you won't have evolved hunters it's the best dps value you'll get rn

If you insist on Hunter-

And struggle with positioning, instead use the dash attack for consistent hit and runs.

[remote jungle]

I've never really understood how the fury mechanic worked

[remote talon]

i want muh pure steel needle and max hunter crest :(

[steel escarp]

It's pretty simple.

It raises your attack speed to cap and enhances damage, taking damage takes 1.5 seconds off fury, healing a mask adds 1.5 seconds.

[remote jungle]

Oh so that's why fury always ends when I pop it and then get hit immediately

[queen acorn]

healing adds seconds?

i dont think so

[steel escarp]

Only once.

The first mask you heal adds 1.5 seconds.

[queen acorn]

ah

[steel escarp]

Correct.

If you can help it, you only want to pop AFTER getting hit

Also fury enhances clawline and clawline counts as a fury hit so if an enemy decides to run to a corner as you pop, gap close

I've don't a (mostly) beast only run before.

BEFORE the buff

[steel escarp]

Do you have flint slate?

[remote talon]

i have no tools

except compass and shard something

[remote jungle]

[steel escarp]

I can't poshanka.

Pain.

[steel escarp]

Well then yeah, beast crest is your best option.

[remote talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-shakra-poshanka-challenge-gif-2106036597561187735

[steel escarp]

Especially since beast crest technically is overheal, since if you get hit while in fury you can immediately heal that mask back

OH also.

Bells.

You can hit bells to slightly alter their course if you feel they're cornering you after they hit the floor

[queen acorn]

is this all advice for widow???

[steel escarp]

Yup

[odd hull]

heloo

[remote talon]

how am i this bad

[queen acorn]

haiaiaiaiiaiaii

[odd hull]

[steel escarp]

You're not bad.

Widow just genuinely shoves you into a locker to make sure you learned the mechanics the game wants you to learn

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694394891584667683/1365845428305793084/IMG_20250415_131019.gif

[remote talon]

I HAVE LEARNED THEM I DID THE TRUE ENDING

[queen acorn]

wha

[remote talon]

i think i just somehow developed an abysmal skill issue

[steel escarp]

You tend to un-learn a lot as you gain movement abilities.

As I learned in my first steel soul run

I lost to GM silk.

Of all the bosses-

GM effing silk.

[sage umbra]

Doesn't GM attacks are all similar to previous bosses?

[steel escarp]

Exactly.

Me losing to her was my greatest shame

[sage umbra]

Hahaha, It's okayy

[steel escarp]

I mean I no hit her on my second steel soul run so I broke even

[real leaf]

silkson

[errant rune]

Was tryna recover my cocoon in bile water and accidentally entered Groal the Stinky's arena

[odd hull]

Just kill him first try

[steel escarp]

Groal is a pogo-clawline check

But he's REALLY annoying when he decides to dive on you.

[errant rune]

I do have Plasmium and Arch crest so I'mma just overdose on drugs

[odd hull]

I think I never pogo'ed him

[errant rune]

Time to drill Groal to death

[steel escarp]

You COULD just wanderers him too

[odd hull]

Huh

[raw pawn]

Oh wait beast fury increases needle range? Never noticed that

[odd hull]

I never used wanderer either

[steel escarp]

Slightly, yes.

It's a lot more noticeable with long claw.

[steel escarp]

Then you did him the "hard" way.

Absolute garama.

[odd hull]

Yeah. atk speed & range by 20%, atk damage by 25%

[remote talon]

holo kngith silfkosng sea fo sorewow

[errant rune]

What arch does to you:

[odd hull]

lol I used Hunter the entire game

[winged nexus]

haha

[remote talon]

don't disrespect the superior operating system

[winged nexus]

whats arch?

[remote talon]

arch linux, the best operating system in the world

[winged nexus]

ahhhhhhhh. thankyou

[torpid swift]

hi arch user

[steel escarp]

I did that for my steel soul runs.

I also only used the sting shard and thread storm.

Wanted a lore accurate Hornet

[remote talon]

hi fang!! long time no see

[torpid swift]

HI true

[odd hull]

?

[errant rune]

Hey I'm an arch user too, it's true
Using arch too much and having to start a new game and get 26 charms is hell

[remote talon]

hruu

[torpid swift]

I'm OK wbuu

[remote talon]

good, started a new run, dying on widow 💔

[torpid swift]

A

Steel soul ?

[remote talon]

nope

[winged nexus]

sorta because i`ve also like only used hunter

[torpid swift]

DO IT

[odd hull]

Thread storm is so cool. I wish I used more through the entire game, but I gave a chance to it just in act 3

[remote talon]

dawg i died on bell beast 3 times

[winged nexus]

2 times. (for the first run at least)

[steel escarp]

I hate it.

I get it has good numbers but I hate it.

My playstyle it too mobile to be locked down like that.

[onyx lagoon]

fuck trobbio

[winged nexus]

exactly

[odd hull]

lol idk, I like it. It's like Witch Crest bind
Big boom with great range

destroys everything around ya

[steel escarp]

Witch Crest doesnt lock ya down for as long

And I can achieve that with a good cross stitch provided I have volt filament

[winged nexus]

true i suppose...

[orchid spruce]

it's good, it doesn't feel as fun as say silkspear tho

[steel escarp]

He's not as bad

Just remember to hit his bombs when he tosses them.

The game throws them with the intent of trapping you

Also, always go for parries when he twisters.

And be hyper aggro.

He'll go down quick

[odd hull]

Cross Stitch doesn't feel as good imo

[errant rune]

Apparently using Delver's Drill makes you immune to Groal's suck suck suck ability while active and gives some invulnerable allowing you to leave unscathed

[winged nexus]

i dont agree

[winged nexus]

i just cant

[errant rune]

Cross Stitch is basically the only speed I use

[orchid spruce]

cross stitch is the best because it is parry

[winged nexus]

yes

[errant rune]

It's parry for newbies

[orchid spruce]

parry is god's gift for humanity

[odd hull]

Isn't the type of parry I like sadly

[orchid spruce]

parry, parry, parry

i like every parry

[whole wind]

Cross stitch is parry riposte, so not really

[winged nexus]

EXACTLY

[odd hull]

This reminds me, I need to replay Sekiro again

[winged nexus]

it is

[steel escarp]

A lot of bosses will try cornering you and cross stitch is just a good answer.

And it one hits most mobs or leaves them on death's door

[winged nexus]

so it is

[odd hull]

Say that again

[whole wind]

Regular parry is just a series of blocks

[errant rune]

I mean, isn't that kinda true for normal parry, you get to attack immediately after
Cross Stitch is basically that but automatic

[whole wind]

Cross stitch is parry riposte in one package, regular parry is parry with optional riposte

[winged nexus]

"Harumff"

[orchid spruce]

parry is parry, it's not that complicated

[steel escarp]

This is like comparing the silkshot to the silk spear.

The scales and use cases are too different to classify them as the same.

[whole wind]

Also invulnerability during the riposte

[winged nexus]

exacly

[errant rune]

Yeah, so I can see why some people might not use Cross Stitch, since it's not really useful if you can parry normally

[orchid spruce]

you block attack, you get iframes PARRY

doesn't fucking matter what happens afterwards

[errant rune]

So true

[whole wind]

Cross stitch gives invulnurability during the reposte and can be used a lot more reliably

[winged nexus]

yes

[whole wind]

All just comes down to playstyle tho

[odd hull]

I need to parry 50 times in a row while the boss throws the most bullshit combo at me. If that's not the case, why even play

[errant rune]

Yeah, I generally don't use spells much and there's smt more satisfying about parrying normally for me

[odd hull]

Riposte only after these 50 parries btw

[whole wind]

Thumb completely numb from spamming square like your life depends on it for 10 minutes straight

[orchid spruce]

i will not tolerate nine dols slander in this household

[winged nexus]

[orchid spruce]

🧱

[odd hull]

Where

[whole wind]

Oh yeah Nine Sols was free for PS Plus this month I need to play it

[torpid swift]

peak

[orchid spruce]

hm, you're free to go this time

[torpid swift]

Nine Sols is free for the gamepass too.. well, not free

[orchid spruce]

i'll be watching you

[whole wind]

Yeah it definitely has a satisfaction to it

[torpid swift]

under there

[errant rune]

They should add a Shotgun tool so I can parry it like in ULTRALILL

[odd hull]

under where

[whole wind]

I wish HK had a real parry mechanic like SS

[steel escarp]

A good chunk of attacks literally cannot be parried without cross stitch-

[odd hull]

[winged nexus]

true

[whole wind]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[torpid swift]

sent to the pit of doom and despair

[vale whale]

do ir

[errant rune]

Fair, also, that kinda sounds more like Blocking atp

[torpid swift]

Heng

[vale whale]

having my bday celebration today but my actual bday is tomorrow

[odd hull]

Noooooo

[torpid swift]

Happy early birthday!

[orchid spruce]

[vale whale]

thank yousies

[whole wind]

Block and parry are interchangeable terms

[orchid spruce]

block and parry is only different in sekiro

[winged nexus]

enjoy your day of birth

[vale whale]

isnt blocking holding your guard and parry is cancelling ths enemy's attack with a little slap

[orchid spruce]

i will not let sekiro dictate my language

[whole wind]

In reality they mean the same thing

[vale whale]

thanksies

[torpid swift]

yuh

[orchid spruce]

parry is parry

[whole wind]

Maybe in a lot of video games

[orchid spruce]

block in sekiro is a different type of parry that is named block

[odd hull]

No. In Dark Souls too — and other games with parries, normally. You will get to hold button to block or press at the perfect time to parry

[winged nexus]

or, well, tomorrow

[errant rune]

I usually see blocking attacks from weapons as parrying and blocking blunt ram attack as blocking

[torpid swift]

Blocking involves putting up a barrier to absorb or stop an attack. Parrying is a deflecting action that redirects the opponent's weapon or things

[orchid spruce]

a different kind of parry named Block

[whole wind]

Irl block and parry mean the exact same thing

[orchid spruce]

but it is all parry

[odd hull]

lmao

[errant rune]

Oh I see

[vale whale]

isnt parry just a type of block

[whole wind]

It's just a block

[odd hull]

Parry is often described as perfect block.

[whole wind]

I do fencing lmao I'm kinda a nerd about these things

[errant rune]

Nice

[torpid swift]

Not really. Blocking is obstructing, Parrying is deflecting

[vale whale]

rich boy rich boy

[whole wind]

In video games they tend to be separated but blocking and parrying are the same thing

[vale whale]

what i thought

[odd hull]

Perfect blocks comes with benefits. Like damaging the enemy's posture

[whole wind]

No deflecting is deflecting

[steel escarp]

I mean, that's the best use case for it.

Just the other day LL pinned me to a wall with the tentacle wall and used her 3 mask attack all over the escape route.

I was never happier to have cross stitch.

[winged nexus]

same (about the fencing part, at least)

[whole wind]

It only gets expensive when you start buying your own gear

[vale whale]

and when you have to pay death tax for every time you kill someone

[whole wind]

Outside of Olympic fencing (idk the culture there), historical fencers are usually poor

[queen acorn]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HA58T6xbMAAOnMt.mp4

[vale whale]

triple t just wished me happy birthday my goat

[queen acorn]

happy birthday daniel did you really think id let this day pass quietly? i know the kind of power you vibe with, the kind that keeps climbing no matter what. so heres your gift, a profile picture wrapped in that same aura

[regal isle]

goat goat goat sahur

[vale whale]

I LOVE LARPING!!!!!!

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kang-the-conqueror-kang-variants-many-kangs-multiple-kangs-kangs-cheering-gif-13082239200333412930

[plush pendant]

Christopher Larping

[cobalt pilot]

I think it's a type of slash

Oh it's your birthday today? Happy

[queen acorn]

lmao

[odd hull]

so cute

[queen acorn]

its very cute

[whole wind]

I mean ig if you whack them in the back of the head hard enough

[vale whale]

thanksies

[plush pendant]

Happy birthday

[vale whale]

thanksies

[queen acorn]

wait it is????

[whole wind]

Happy day of birth

[vale whale]

yes yes

[vale whale]

thanksies

[queen acorn]

happy birthday daniel something soemthing aura pfp

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-triple-t-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-tung-tung-sahur-gif-9531050309767877696

[vale whale]

thanksies

[teal ridge]

Happy birthday. I hope youll see the next time where earth was orbiting tge sun when you born

[odd hull]

Good night y'all

[vale whale]

thanksies

[exotic dome]

happy birthday sonion

[hybrid flare]

Happy bday hope you get mio for your bd

Im fcking tweaking

[graceful cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287640098728316960/1505465227326525450/image.png?ex=6a0ab940&is=6a0967c0&hm=7740d093b6d12f791e03f7abe743c1c997f934f0c71ae230b0172260745b94ed&

[hybrid flare]

I lwk should do an all saw cleaver run just to have the john bloodborne experience

[steel escarp]

I wonder how long it'd take me to beat LL with only rune rage..

[vale whale]

thanksies

[hybrid flare]

13 trillion years

how you gonna get silk

[blazing dragon]

Weaverlight?

[exotic dome]

wait ive never seen the weapon in your name

[hybrid flare]

true

[hybrid flare]

You've never been to cainhurst?

[exotic dome]

no i've been there but i didnt find that i think

[hybrid flare]

Its on a chest in the 1st floor

[exotic dome]

i should get that in ng+ it looks fun

[steel escarp]

Weavelight and Druids eyes?

If I overdose on plas before the dive it's pretty safe

[hybrid flare]

Gun sword

[hybrid flare]

true

For maxium reiterpallasch fun you should learn how to riposte-parry with transformed attacks

[orchid spruce]

PARRY

[exotic dome]

that's fine i like parrying a lot

also the final boss parrying us was like a top 3 moment in the entire game

[vale whale]

@hybrid flare did you hear about bloodborne 2

[exotic dome]

we are talking about bloodborne 3

[vale whale]

oh mb

i donr have a playstation

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, i've played it, its too good

[blazing dragon]

It's actually was my winning strat vs LL on my first playthrough lol
Weavelight + volt filament + spam pale nails on cd

[hybrid flare]

LOWKEY bro austro-hungarian empire is so good

[hybrid flare]

I dont usually judge but... ew

did you at least learn the patterns

[blazing dragon]

Well I still needed to dodge attacks bc you don't heal in this strat

[hybrid flare]

Valid

[hybrid flare]

did yk maria can stagger you aswell with an attack of hers

without even needing a gun

[exotic dome]

yeah ive seen that in a video

i didnt see it in the game because she fell down so easily 💔

[blazing dragon]

I actually liked to fight "fencers" bosses with needle only, like I did with Lace 2 for example
But if LL brings all this void bs into fight I guess I also have all moral rights to fight "unfair" :D

[hybrid flare]

I usually fight maria without parrying because that's what makes the fight good

With parries she doesn't feel as fun tbf

[exotic dome]

true

parrying the first phase felt like cheesing

[hybrid flare]

But there's still some challenge in parrying her although there are bosses with better designed parryable moves in mind

[exotic dome]

she is similar to a dlc boss in ds3

i think they took lessons and made a less parryable version of her

[rocky walrus]

Parry the platypus

[exotic dome]

still a top 3 boss

[hybrid flare]

Friede

Idk imo maria's the perfected version of every boss ever derived from her (except friede i haven't fought friede yet)

[vestal knot]

heyyy guys

[exotic dome]

friede's last phase has the similarities, the rest is quite different i guess

[hybrid flare]

Oh then i've got no idea what you're talking about

[queen acorn]

i am the iceman im a pretty nice man

[hybrid flare]

If its not friede

[exotic dome]

nah i was talking about friede lol, i shouldve worded it better

[hybrid flare]

The parrying systems in both games are very different though

[exotic dome]

i also think gael has some similarities with orphan of kos too

2 phase 1v1 boss with a peak arena

[hybrid flare]

I've been noticing similarities between elden ring bosses and bloodborne bosses, coincidentally they're the best ones

Like godfrey/radagon are orphan, malenia/rellana is maria and Maliketh is ludwig

I haven't really played ds3 yet but it looks promising

[exotic dome]

yea one of my friends said malenia is maria on drugs

[tired oyster]

bloodborne had a pretty big impact on fromsoft's whole dna going forward

[exotic dome]

the bosses are, yeah

[tired oyster]

there's been flavors of it in all of their games since and yes that includes armored core 6

[exotic dome]

backstep movement is added after bloodborne too

ds1-2 don't have that

[hybrid flare]

Yeah i've noticed

[hybrid flare]

Maria but slop 💔

Idk quite what boss resembles germany because he's quite a unique boss in his own right

[exotic dome]

he is too great no one can copy him

[tired oyster]

||gherman is a fantastic final boss||

[exotic dome]

indeed

[tired oyster]

mayyyybe my favorite final boss in a fromsoft game but sword saint ishiin in sekiro comes pretty close too

[hybrid flare]

spoiler tag

[hybrid flare]

I really like isshin but narratively he didn't quite hit as hard

[tired oyster]

true

very fun fight though

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, shame that he doesn't have lightning reflects like inner geni by default

[exotic dome]

i havent finished sekiro yet but bb final boss is def better than ds final bosses

[hybrid flare]

Geni is already a fantastic tutorial for lightning deflects, why couldn't isshin up it a notch

[hybrid flare]

Idk i haven't played ds3

[exotic dome]

i should've worded that correctly, again 💔

[orchid spruce]

from what i hear from nubbie, isshin is like that anime trope who just wants a good fight and does stupid shits to have a good fight or sth

if that's true, the story must be ass

[tired oyster]

not really

sekiro's story is pretty good

not anything super special but it was good

[hybrid flare]

[hybrid flare]

No not really, the story is good

It's just that isshin kinda misses the mark on the payoff

Genichiro is a great antagonist i like him

[hybrid flare]

And there are bosses that hit hard narratively like father owl

[exotic dome]

is there a gif version of this i will replace that brick with shrue emoji

[tired oyster]

i think it also proved a good practice for fromsoft in balancing presenting the narrative and story at surface level as well as presenting it in added context through things like item descriptions

[hybrid flare]

Story about human corruption and fight for immortality

[hybrid flare]

And the fact that the story isn't like super complex and long

[tired oyster]

because frankly in a lot of their games before sekiro TOO much of the information you need to understand half of what's going on if you care is in the background rather than presented to you directly

[hybrid flare]

That is classic souls storytelling and sekiro isn't really a souls game

[tired oyster]

and i think they carried a lot of that into elden ring while still having a lot of extra information given through item descriptions and good ol environmental storytelling

[plucky stag]

hoopla

[hybrid flare]

I lwk had no idea what was going on half of the time in elden ring

[tired oyster]

i thought its story was pretty easy to get at a surface level just through exploring and paying attention to dialogue

[hybrid flare]

At a surface level sure, but getting to know the origin of every faction and such

[orchid spruce]

hoopla?

||i got ending b for|| ender lilies

[cerulean sable]

i do not care how much lore is ER has i still didnt like it as much as DS1 (the goat)

[vale whale]

i cant wait for tarnished edition

if sorcery is balanced in elden ring ima be a cool ass sorcery knight

in ds1 i never do sorcery builds

theyre gross and unfair

[cerulean sable]

there is something humble with the simplicity of mage builds in 1 being great magic weapon and still being 70% melee

but, thats not to say ER was bad on that, infact it has the best build variety in the entire series

just stating how much more "subtle" magic was in DS1

ER does let you live the fantasy of a full mage which is great

[rotund peak]

When is that supposed to come out btw??? It was announced like a year ago

[vale whale]

this year

[rotund peak]

When

[vale whale]

idk

[rotund peak]

Oh ok

[vale whale]

preorders are out tho

[rotund peak]

Ic

[vale whale]

dark bead crystal soul spear soul spear crystal soulmass

[atomic sky]

someone on here told me that act 3 was mid/bad

act 3 was tuff

[cerulean sable]

its mixed

i get where people are coming from but i personally enjoyed it

i just think it needs some HP tuning and a bit more fleshing out

[atomic sky]

that lost lace and karmalita fight was sick

lots of cool bosses

verdania was peak

i feel like the bosses should have been a little more difficult

espcially crust king

[sage umbra]

Yeah I agree with crust king

[sage umbra]

I think these are the best especially vardania it looks so much beautiful too

[atomic sky]

reminded me of queens garden

[atomic sky]

i first tried him i was so underwhelmed

espcially after the 3 floors

[hybrid flare]

are catalysts melee

[hybrid flare]

Both are really solid ngl

[atomic sky]

i just dont like how ds1 looks 😭 i am not even that much of a graphics person but the game plays very clunky

[viscid ibex]

Is it just me or is the gauntlet that unlocks putrified ducts aka the one where we fight Groal actually quite fun

[cerulean sable]

i dunno maybe i just have this bias with how slowpaced and gritty DS1 felt

[sage umbra]

The floors are more overwhelming than the actual boss

[cerulean sable]

ER was going through a fantastical world whereas DS1 felt like you rummaging in a kingdom made in a septic tank

[atomic sky]

exactly

[atomic sky]

just you

[viscid ibex]

Damn

[lavish stratus]

Karmelita, yes.

[glass raven]

god i got my SOLO'D by my glorious baddie perfect pitch singing queen karmelita

[mental snow]

I can't believe just how much content is completable in Act 1

[glass raven]

how much?

[mental snow]

Well you can get Faydown Cloak without Clawline, meaning all of Wisp Thicket and Bilewater is accessible. Considering Underworks doesn't activate Act 2 if you enter via Thicket, then pretty much all of Underworks is available, and a little of Choral Chambers just before Lace finds you.

And funnily enough, you can actually fight fucking Seth in Act 1.

[glass raven]

holy fucking SHIT BALLS WHAT?

[mental snow]

https://youtu.be/bXRigyE7Zpk

[glass raven]

SPEED RUNNERS DREAM?

[mental snow]

100% Act 1 speedrun category

[glass raven]

reminds me of lobotomy% in ultrakill

[hybrid flare]

Yeah because ds1 feels and plays like ass

[orchid spruce]

ender lilies

[fiery coral]

Thoughts on Nightreign if you've played it?

I need to invest a bit more time into it myself, only reached Gladius so far

I wasn't even going to buy it until my vacations actually but then I heard the theme for Traitorous Straghess and that alone convinced me, yeah, I need to get this right now

[cerulean sable]

didnt really get too deep in ER other than i finished the final boss, and didnt buy the DLC either so when NR came out i didnt really go out my way to play it

[weary ferry]

my fingers tired from fighting ||skarrsinger karmelita||

gonna continue later, so far my favorite boss

[spare isle]

Groal the Great

[hybrid flare]

I think that ER is great

[night vector]

[fiery coral]

Ahh didn't get the DLC either, I see

[night vector]

wait wut is ER

[fiery coral]

Elden Ring

[night vector]

Ds better

[fiery coral]

I'm more used to the faster ones so DS1 and 2 were not very fun for me

[night vector]

My pc could only run those so yeah

[fiery coral]

(Even if you haven't played I'd still recommend the OST, absolutely incredible)

[night vector]

[red depot]

BABE WAKE UP NEW FINN TRAN HK ANIMATION DROPPED ‼️ ⁉️ 🗣️
https://youtu.be/nPvuiDNJ4cA?si=SrUbRxuv765Ar-W4

[hybrid flare]

Ds is lwk slop

[night vector]

Yo i have seen this but nahh

[exotic dome]

that poem fits so perfectly for hallownest too

holy shit this is the best one finn tran has done yet

[hollow cave]

can you use needolin on grand mother silk ?

[old compass]

I don't think so?

dunno though

[hollow cave]

it's almost usable on every boss

[old compass]

I mean lore wise if it works on GMS it doesn't make sense

[hollow cave]

it workes on widow tho

[halcyon socket]

[sage umbra]

That's funny, I never know too like will the boss just stand in the middle of the screen freezing?

[old compass]

I think it working on widow makes sense though

hornet can be haunted, why can't widow be controlled

[hollow cave]

needolin works on nyleth, khan and karmelita but they won't freeze they will keep attacking you while saying stuff but you won't take any damage from their attacks

[median fractal]

I like ER, one of the best games I have played, but in comparison to any other fromsoft game I am struggling to replay it because its so damn overwhelming

[fierce fern]

Hi

[orchid spruce]

elo

[sage umbra]

Never knew that, will that's a cool detail actually.

[undone frost]

does longclaw work well with wanderers crest?

[old compass]

it also works like that on watcher on the edge because, not sure

[halcyon socket]

i love clawline

[hybrid flare]

in which sense

[strange knot]

Yes

[supple summit]

whats your guys ||favorite crest||

[civic island]

You js activated ww3

[supple summit]

sorry

[toxic vigil]

hunter probably

[civic island]

Chat

Nine sols peak wtf

[plucky stag]

hunter

[old compass]

this isn't #sk-help no need to spoiler tag everything

[supple summit]

oh

[old compass]

no it's not

[supple summit]

wow so many hunter mains

[toxic vigil]

However i just main circlet

[civic island]

[supple summit]

is it ok if i use circlet on shaman crest

[undone frost]

hunter or wanderer

[supple summit]

am i considered normal

[civic island]

Fym nuh uh

[toxic vigil]

well yeah

[civic island]

No

[supple summit]

awesome

[supple summit]

why

[civic island]

I have scheduled ur beheading