sk-discussion

[frosty kelp]

hold on lemme find those lines on the wiki

are there hornet voice lines on the wiki

[cerulean sable]

Phantoms of Pharloom DLC 2

[frosty kelp]

dang wiki doesn't have hornet voice lines

ig too much work to play through whole game

[tight viper]

Forebrothers: “The Forge Daughter sends her regards.”
Unravelled: “Die, monster! You don’t belong in this world!”
Lost Garmond: “…We’re gonna get a little place…and you can tend to the Cloverstags…”

[frosty kelp]

fair enough

[sage glade]

You're the last weaver?! I'll be the judge of that!

[frosty kelp]

imagine TC implements this specifically for the 1 kill instance which is the forgeshot

[cerulean sable]

i am going to end it if you guys keep up

Adi Shankar's Hollow Knight

[sage glade]

adi shankar's 9999 false promises to make berserk anime

[queen acorn]

day 14 of daily palestag hate

i missed a day cz i was getting fucking obliterated but we back

[lavish stratus]

Team Cherry thought we wanted No Eyes back, apparently.

[queen acorn]

truthnuke

[sage glade]

day 1 of neutralizing carol's daily palestag hate

[heady iron]

Adi Shankar threatens to surpass the 2017 Berserk anime

[queen acorn]

if it continues then its not very effective neutralization

[sage glade]

do you know what neutralization means...?

1 - 1 = 0, not -infinity

[queen acorn]

honestly i thought you were tryna kill it

[worldly quartz]

flea festival is so hard

especially juggle

i got 33 on bounce

and smth on dodge

[wicked cedar]

I never got to beat pale stag 😭

[terse heart]

stale pag isn't that good

[worldly quartz]

stale pag🔥

[olive dune]

I just did Lost Lace!

[cerulean sable]

ggs

[olive dune]

And 100% completion

[terse heart]

Now get ready for the second phase where you fight gms voided

[cerulean sable]

double ggs

DLC super boss will not be voided up GMS

its gonna be the City of Steel master or wtv

i trust

[terse heart]

says who?

[cerulean sable]

says me

https://tenor.com/view/sheeeit-mathew-mcconaughey-shit-shiiit-smoke-gif-5017601541693060194

[olive dune]

btw if this attempt failed i would run out of shell shards and go to the surface to farm them xd

[cerulean sable]

what crest did you use

[olive dune]

Hunter

[cerulean sable]

giga based

[olive dune]

Tools: cogfly, flintslate, multibinder, injector band, fractured mask, magnetic dice, silkspeed anklets, weighted belt

[terse heart]

lace easy

[old compass]

using hunter doesn't make you based it just maks you basic

[cerulean sable]

i will fucking duel you

with a bow

and a spear on both of my hands

atop a mountain

[old compass]

I don't play minecraft anymore dude

[cerulean sable]

alr how about roblox CQB games

[old compass]

I quit roblox when I was 12

[rare juniper]

Flies past

[old compass]

SAUCER??!?!?

[torpid swift]

Woah did you guys see that 👀👀

[fervent bough]

Well I beat shakra again on my 2nd playthrough

Im about to duel her again lol

[halcyon socket]

[fervent bough]

She doesn't get any harder no matter how many times you duel

I've beaten her 3 times in a row and she's the same every time

[orchid spruce]

Does she suck

[fervent bough]

No

Shes hard

[real leaf]

silkson

[orchid spruce]

Nice

[fervent bough]

Mainly her throw

She punishes you for healing constantly

I can't remember if you get her journal entry before beating her or not

[cerulean sable]

i havent fougth her

but is she a chase or a stay put boss

chase i mean shit like First Sinner

[fervent bough]

She's a teleporting boss

[cerulean sable]

so a chase then, as in YOURE the one who needs to go after her

[halcyon socket]

chase but she has a move where you can constantly hit her a few times at least

[fervent bough]

She teleports around attacking you with rings. Then sometimes she slams on you

[cerulean sable]

aight

[fervent bough]

She throws 2 rings per teleport then fakes out dashing if you get too far away

The main way to kill her is to stay within your little square of space and wait for her to come to you

Chasing her around doesn't do you any good

[orchid spruce]

I sucked when I played Silksong so ngl I need another replaythrough to have a concrete opinion

[old compass]

you can have no opinion on silksong ngl

[halcyon socket]

the 2nd playthrough is way easier

[orchid spruce]

[timber drift]

Is there any chance we are getting a new crest in Sea of sorrow?

[fervent bough]

Currently her journal entry after beating her in a duel is

She has lived a mere fraction of my lifetime and yet her rings prove a ferocious match. As gifted a warrior as I have ever encountered, and one I am fortunate to call a friend.

[orchid spruce]

no, i mean, i'm good at silksong

i 100% it like 4 times

it's just now, i'm better at games in general

so maybe i have a better outlook on the bosses

[fervent bough]

I had a fairly easy time during my first playthrough so idk

I know I beat steel soul when I had around 90 hours into the game

[orchid spruce]

you're good at games

[high sparrow]

Nine sols strongest hater

[fervent bough]

My favorite thing to do was getting all 257 hunters journal entries

[orchid spruce]

silksong was my second real game-game, so

i kinda sucked

[fervent bough]

It's my very first Metroid vania

[old compass]

yes I will continue to hate on nine sols for being furry propaganda

[fervent bough]

The platforming killed me more then the bosses

[orchid spruce]

before hk and silksong, i just play shits like stardew valley and don't starve (peaks btw)

[high sparrow]

Youre already playing a furry-ish character tho😭?

[lavish apex]

nine sols is hard

[old compass]

no I'm playing bug propaganda
know the difference

[orchid spruce]

where are you at rn

[fervent bough]

I started playing silksong when I saw people on the internet crying about how hard it was

So I wanted to beat it

[high sparrow]

Is not that hard once you understand how parrying works

[lavish apex]

just doing some grinding after ||escaping the stealth segment||

[fervent bough]

Now I'm in love with the lore

[orchid spruce]

damn, you're fast

[flint ridge]

Preach

[halcyon socket]

yes

there is a chance, perchance

[fervent bough]

A new crest would be cool

[orchid spruce]

you kinda don't need to grind. they just shove currency down your throat later, but that's fine.

[high sparrow]

Which honestly the parry is very different than blastphemous

[worldly quartz]

guys where do i go after flea festival? im doing it rn

[cursive breach]

im waiting for the sea of sorrow is there any news regarding it

[halcyon socket]

ngl i wish you could upgrade reaper crest so it's more fun to use

[orchid spruce]

hope you're enjoying it, the bosses really start to pick up from now

[worldly quartz]

sliksnog see of srroww tomrowow

[fervent bough]

I heard itll be around the end of the year

[cerulean sable]

same old same old

[high sparrow]

Even then you dont need to even parry,you can still dodge the attacks

[fervent bough]

My guess is we will get it around November

[cerulean sable]

finally someone who knows ball

SoS is late 2026

[worldly quartz]

its like waiting for silksong but in 2024

[lavish apex]

i'm not 100% sure how i feel about the combat as a whole but it's still good so far

[fervent bough]

Either way I'm fine with it taking till 2027

[cursive breach]

godhome was my favourite part of hk i hope ss does something similiar

[cerulean sable]

people thinking its mid 2026 are deluding themselves

[fervent bough]

I want them to cook

[cerulean sable]

weve already experienced "EARLY 2018" godmaster folks, lets be reasonable here

[lavish apex]

did one kinda ass miniboss

[high sparrow]

Well what problem do you have?

[worldly quartz]

elegy of the deep mb

[halcyon socket]

actually i'd like if you could upgrade it, to have 2 modes for it, the normal one from the main game and another one that exchanges most of the silk for heal with something for dps (or perhaps something for movement, idk)

[fervent bough]

I still need to play the original hollow Knight

[lavish apex]

parries are weird and not at all like what i'm used to in other games that have them

[halcyon socket]

do it

[orchid spruce]

one archetype of minibosses requires you to approach differently, i think you'll be able to figure it out

[high sparrow]

I think ifs there one thing i dont like about nine sols is that they always repeat the same minibosses

[cerulean sable]

they said in an interview with Schreier post Silksong release that they acknowledge Boss Refights are one of the highestly requested features in the game so i think its a no brainer

its a matter of when

[halcyon socket]

my guess is we get it either this month or next month

[fervent bough]

I think I'll buy it next month

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332161685196374095/1380557384476262512/attachment.gif

[halcyon socket]

reason for that is cus i dont think team cherry would announce something only for it to release 7 years later.. right?

[high sparrow]

Well yeah cause in that game they want you to constanly parry everything, especialy the red attacks but im not gonna say how that works or how to get it

[halcyon socket]

[high sparrow]

Its gets easy tho

[fervent bough]

I should've bought it the month I started silksong but I honestly got busy and forgot about silksong completely

[high sparrow]

But yeah but to make it better play it like is sekiro,use the talismans to dodge the attacks

[lavish apex]

also like conceptually everything being a rhythm game flurry instead of more methodical position based dodging is eh

[high sparrow]

And do damage to them

[fervent bough]

I beat this game back in September 2025 during the 1.0 release. I even did steel soul mode during the 1.0

[cerulean sable]

im waiting for the DLC before i replay just so i can catch up on the new stuff

[fervent bough]

Mainly because I was stubborn and didn't wanna nerf the game before I did everything

[cerulean sable]

like, shit like how Beast now pierces through armor is a thing i wouldve liked when i initially played

[fervent bough]

If I didn't have to update for the dlc I would've kept it on version 1.0

I'm basically forced to play against weaker enemies

[oblique parrot]

"a little longer"

[cerulean sable]

inb4 i replay it then suddenly SoS drops and they "pimpillos now has the blast radius of a nuclear bomb" kinda shit, i cant miss that

[worldly quartz]

i tried using beast crest to go through pinstress' parries, it didnt work

[fervent bough]

I hope they make the dlc absolutely brutal

4 masks of damage flying enemies 🤣

[cerulean sable]

its the specific block parries that you can pierce through iirc, not the regular slashes

the anti shield Beast buff is great though

[worldly quartz]

act 3 was already depressive please dont

[devout dove]

i ALMOST beat ll bro

[cerulean sable]

same i kinda want a harder end game

you got this

[old compass]

HAVE LIFEBLOOD TAKE OVER ALL

[cerulean sable]

youre locking in

[halcyon socket]

oh hell naw, i want a challenge but not to that extent and it would feel too tedious for people to play lol

[fervent bough]

Once you get all the crests and items you basically become immortal

[halcyon socket]

there should be somewhat of a challenge to play it but extra hard stuff should just be optional

[fervent bough]

I didn't die even once after I got to the end game

[oblique parrot]

If the DLC doesn't have uptuned difficulty, it's going to be a breeze.

[fervent bough]

Mainly because the nail hits like a semi truck

[oblique parrot]

But I'm pretty sure they're going to make it way harder.

[plucky stag]

Congratulations

[fervent bough]

I'm praying they do

[oblique parrot]

I hope so too.

[plucky stag]

I want to do steel heart before any dlcs come out and make it easier but that looks unlikely

[fervent bough]

I want them to make it hard in the initial patch

[cerulean sable]

i just want more super bosses and probably a harder platforming section

[fervent bough]

If people don't like it they can nerf it

[cerulean sable]

i actually enjoyed the arenas in this game

[halcyon socket]

i want a huge gauntlet with hundreds of rounds, after each 5-10 rounds you get a miniboss or a boss you've seen before, but slightly different

[plucky stag]

2 hours from now I'm going to be sucked into the waterworld void

[halcyon socket]

and you get mobs from each area the more you play

[oblique parrot]

NKG is miles harder than anything in base Hollow Knight. If Silksong sees that big of a difficulty spike, it will be fun but it will make people mad.

[halcyon socket]

and then they get mixed up and stuff like that

[fervent bough]

If they make it hard in the initial I can put it on airplane mode and not update

[halcyon socket]

that would be soooooo good

[plucky stag]

And if sos drops in may my dream of claiming 52 before any dlcs will be dead

[halcyon socket]

gauntlet of pharloom 🔥

[halcyon socket]

yeah they wont make it much more harder

[fervent bough]

The only people who would get mad are the fake Metroid vania fans 😂

[old compass]

I want symphonies of pharloom

[oblique parrot]

I want this too. Love the gauntlets.

[fervent bough]

I like this type of game because it's hard

The only reason

[oblique parrot]

A godhome version of gauntlets with random enemies sounds like a blast.

[devout dove]

OH MY GOD I BEAT HER

[old compass]

YIPPEE (who)

[halcyon socket]

i still believe tho there's plenty of room to make bosses harder than the final bosses of hk and silksong and still have them be doable, fun and not impossible even for the average gamer

[fervent bough]

But like I said. I hope the day 1 patch is brutal. Mainly so I can force the game to never update

[atomic sparrow]

I mean given how absrad, pv and nkg were all dlc bosses plus pop was dlc too I'm almost certain we're gonna get more difficult stuff in dlc, maybe just not in sos though

[devout dove]

LOST LACE

[fervent bough]

If they want to change it after the day 1 patch that's fine

[cerulean sable]

yeah im kinda mixed if SoS is gonna add a super boss too

[old compass]

OK NOW DO HER ITEMLESS NEEDLE ONLY HITLESS

[fervent bough]

I won't have to suffer with weak enemies

[halcyon socket]

there are bosses that will make you feel miserable and be hard, and some that are so incredibly hard yet they make you wanna try more and more cus you enjoy the fight that much

[cerulean sable]

i feel like at its core SoS is an "this is the shit we couldnt add into the base game" update

[devout dove]

stop

[halcyon socket]

yeah

[oblique parrot]

Definitely. The question is whether the spike will be as huge as it was for Hollow Knight.

[old compass]

why I want others to suffer

[atomic sparrow]

maybe we'll get a difficult platforming section?

[cerulean sable]

yeah i can go for that

[oblique parrot]

Feel like this too. I think it's going to be way bigger than we expect (and I'm ready for it.)

[halcyon socket]

but i still think they might have more stuff left that couldnt get to be in the main game and still wont be in sea of sorrow

[fervent bough]

The hardest boss I played against was savage beast fly. Mainly because I fought it before I ever had any crests

[halcyon socket]

keeping more stuff for later DLCs too

[lavish apex]

lifeblood spire is gonna be the path of pain

[oblique parrot]

Lol same. Beast was my first crest and damn that fatass fly took me forever.

[halcyon socket]

same, i think he was my 3rd or 4th boss, had 5 masks left still

[fervent bough]

It was my first time playing any of these games and it was absolutely brutal

I still killed it though

[halcyon socket]

as soon as i went to hunter's trail, i realized this area will be tough and i couldnt stop exploring it until i reached savage beastfly and get my ass wrecked over 10 times

[oblique parrot]

The curse (blessing) of being an avid explorer:

• Fight Savage beastfly with almost nothing good.
• Accidentally skipping Moorwing.
• Saving Pilby.

[fervent bough]

My favorite part of the 1.0 patch is I felt like I was genuinely getting better at the game

[halcyon socket]

also i had extremely bad rng most of my attempts cus beastfly kept spawning the flying aoe hitting mobs that were so annoying to deal with

[fervent bough]

I would die constantly but around 30 hours in I wasn't really dying anymore

[halcyon socket]

and in no time i'd just find my screen fully covered of those mobs and having beastfly on top of that to deal with

[cerulean sable]

yeah if anything

I feel like if they didnt felt like 'fuck it lets go' around September, game probably wouldnt be out even now cuz shit like Barnacle Bay would be on launch
i think its the best move though, because now they can build up stuff on feedback as well

[fervent bough]

I even killed that fat green bug in bile water on my first try

Whatever it's name is

[cerulean sable]

COME HELL OR BILEWATER

Groal th FUCKIng Great

[fervent bough]

Or was it a frog

I can't remember

[halcyon socket]

yeah they said in that interview that they had months ago that the game would've been too big for players and they just decided to stop at what we have now.

groal the goat

[fervent bough]

I'm excited for what they have cooking up

[orchid spruce]

if they actually listen to feedbacks and deliver major fixes, that would be goated

[oblique parrot]

No such thing as too big of a game for Hollow Knight players. Give us everything.

[fervent bough]

No matter how easy or hard it is I'm still gonna play it fully

[halcyon socket]

he kicked my ass so many times but ngl, once i understood how to efficiently utilize my entire kit, including using clawline in fight which helped tremendously with the flow of the fight, then it became way easier

[oblique parrot]

Like what? Isn't the game in a pretty fantastic position now?

[orchid spruce]

but it's almost a rule to never read reviews

[atomic sparrow]

like the slabfly journal entries...

[fervent bough]

I just wonder if they will place it with content that changes act 1+ or if it is only end game changes

[atomic sparrow]

[oblique parrot]

What about them?

[quartz gulch]

Most things are bugs with subspecies (in HK). Craws are crawbugs, so still bugs. The same applies to most non-higher beings.

[halcyon socket]

actually it is cus it can feel overwhelming for many players that at some point just want to finish the game, and seeing they still have more to explore, it becomes too tedious and they just stop playing. and i can understand it, especially if people struggle with the difficulty

[orchid spruce]

eh, i mean, sure. it's well-received for the majority. but about 50% of metroidvania fans I talk to don't like the game.

[atomic sparrow]

makes hornet racist!!!!!!!!!

[orchid spruce]

and most hk/sk aren't metroidvania fans

[old compass]

help I'm gonna die over you guys mentioning those 2 entries for the 10th time lmao xd

[orchid spruce]

they could continue what they're doing if they want

[somber rapids]

is whiteward part of the citadel or the underworks?

[quartz gulch]

You just love to bring this up, huh?

[fervent bough]

The only thing I don't like is how easy mobs are now

[lavish stratus]

They'll never change them because they're terrible writers.

[atomic sparrow]

and we will keep on mentioning it, also yes

[fervent bough]

I love the lore etc

[quartz gulch]

Underworks are part of the Citadel.

[old compass]

hey dude can I crucify you

[somber rapids]

I know, but they're seperated on the map

[oblique parrot]

What do you think the issue is? I see it pretty loved by actual metroidvania fans who are familiar with harder titles like Blasphemous and Nine Sols.

[atomic sparrow]

nah maybe later

[fervent bough]

? But the journal entries are from the perspective of hornet

[old compass]

fair

[cerulean sable]

never engage with ragebait 🥴

[orchid spruce]

I would flood this channel

[lavish stratus]

And she has no reason to hate the flies as much as she does.

They do nothing wrong.

[fervent bough]

Maybe because flies are disgusting creatures

[orchid spruce]

You could go to my backlog to read my brief review

It's meant to be spoiler-free so I didn't go in depth

[lavish stratus]

Alright, get out.

[fervent bough]

They are

[orchid spruce]

It's in my bio

[fervent bough]

They vomit on you every time they fly onto your body

[lavish stratus]

The flies are only following orders.

[old compass]

the flies do smell though that's true

[quartz gulch]

That's just parts. The entire Citadel as a concept includes areas like the Deep Docks too, which are part of its infrastructure and under its command. Do you mean part of the gilded structure?

[old compass]

[lavish stratus]

That doesn't give Hornet the right to kill them.

[somber rapids]

yes

[fervent bough]

She can kill whatever she wants to kill

[lavish stratus]

This is part of what makes her a failure of a protagonist.

[old compass]

I don't think hornet kills them for smelly, but just because the flies attack her. She did go visit the broodling (for some reason) with no violent intent

[fervent bough]

Just like how the knight could kill kind NPCs?

[somber rapids]

aren't they under grandmother silks control?

[lavish stratus]

So many of her actions are unjustified and uncalled for.

[lavish stratus]

When did the knight do that?!

[fervent bough]

All of the bugs in this game are corrupted

[somber rapids]

menderbug

[cerulean sable]

falling for the ragebait guys 😔

[old compass]

hornet's uncalled actions are really just 3 instances

[fervent bough]

You can make him do it. You can seal anyone you want to in the dream nail

[lavish stratus]

That's a single bug.

[old compass]

hey dude, ragebait is still food for discussion

[lavish stratus]

Not a species.

[cerulean sable]

its the lowest form of discussion

[lavish stratus]

The ghosts are already dead.

[somber rapids]

it was the last of its species though

[oblique parrot]

Skimmed through most of it. I heavily disagree but at least now I know.

[fervent bough]

They get trapped for eternity in the dream nail

Instead of being free to roam

[old compass]

I mean what do we expect from discord , embrace discourse

[lavish stratus]

What?

Where is that said?

[atomic sparrow]

I mean all haunted enemies attack her I don't think that's the reason for why she writes those entries I don't think theres any good reason besides TC just didn't think it through enough, and tbf tc even said it themselves that their lore is basically an afterthought

[fervent bough]

Do you not know how the dream nail works?

[lavish stratus]

The Knight doesn't kill any innocent bugs.

[oblique parrot]

You were being serious about it being "racist"? Damn.

[fervent bough]

Also the flies kidnap her and strip her naked. I would hate them also

[oblique parrot]

The community is bored, huh?

[old compass]

eh writing is a different thing, if the entry really bothers you I can't really argue against it

[lavish stratus]

She still writes the entries if she isn't captured.

Hornet kills Skarrsinger Karmelita, Green Prince.

[somber rapids]

menderbug

[fervent bough]

You need to be captured to do the slab though

[lavish stratus]

Canonically, this is an accident.

[old compass]

hold on I have a reaction image to this

[fervent bough]

It's the only way to get the key

[somber rapids]

eh I got into the slab from the citadel

[lavish stratus]

No, you can access the slab without being captured by a wardenfly.

[fervent bough]

I did too. But to open the doors to the boss

[somber rapids]

which boss

[orchid spruce]

this is funny

[quartz gulch]

The gilded halls include:
-High Halls
-Choral Chambers
-First Shrine (Songclave)
-Memorium
-Bridges (going to various places such as the Slab)
-Grand Gate
-The Cradle
-Whispering Vaults
-Cogworks

Other areas under Citadel rule are:
-The Slab
-The Putrified Ducts
-The Blasted Steps
-The Mist (exhaust organ)
-any Pilgrim path (goes through most areas though, so pretty unspecific)
-Bone Bottom
-left Greymoor
-Sinner's Road
-Deep Docks
-Underworks (technically they're under the gilded halls)

I may have forgot something, idk.

[oblique parrot]

After a certain trigger, you cannot get captured anymore so of course that isn't true.

[fervent bough]

Is there a way to get the 3 keys without being captured

[lavish stratus]

And the Knight only kills one innocent bug. Hornet kills dozens.

[lavish stratus]

Yes.

[somber rapids]

alright

[somber rapids]

yeah I did that

[atomic sparrow]

oh yeah ofc, probably the most egregious thing TC has wrote, I'm sure its just them writing it quickly and forgetting about it though

[somber rapids]

I was never captured

[fervent bough]

She's been alive for thousands of years I'm not surprised shes not all that caring anymore

[oblique parrot]

[quartz gulch]

The key of Apostate stops flies from capturing you.

[oblique parrot]

So does Clawline.

[fervent bough]

I will need to try this out in my 2nd playthrough

It's nice there's still stuff to learn

[somber rapids]

ngl I never knew that you could be captured until much later

[fringe jungle]

yeah I missed that on my first playthrough

[fervent bough]

I got captured on my 1st playthrough but never bothered in the current one

[lavish stratus]

Even if Hornet gets captured, the flies are only doing it because they're forced to.

Hornet should be angry at the Weavers, not the flies.

[oblique parrot]

By who?

[atomic sparrow]

yeah you can get go grab key of apostate in ducts and go to the slabs and get the other two in the same manner of how you would've gotten them in the capture sequence

[lavish stratus]

By the Weavers, who enslaved them.

[old compass]

two interpretations of the slab journal:
"ew these bugs stink I'm gonna write mean things about them"
"ew I'm racist towards them"

[fervent bough]

Every bug within the citadel are bound by silk

Even the bugs that follow karmalita

[oblique parrot]

The flies' servitude is inherited. It sucks but it isn't an excuse.

[quartz gulch]

Honestly, the Slabfly entries were probably just a stupid joke that shouldn't be taken seriously. How the actual fuck do people see this and think they should go around saying "racism"? They are the ones implying and interpreting it.

[lavish stratus]

They are following orders.

[fervent bough]

Only the bugs with spots can hear her song

[orchid spruce]

i don't care about those journals, that's a low hanging fruit

[lavish stratus]

It's literally confirmed to be racism.

[orchid spruce]

talking about the ass narrative is much more juicy

[lavish stratus]

Silksong is filled with problems, yes.

[quartz gulch]

The Whiteward there is a difference between having silk inside oneself and being haunted. Haunting is easier with silk inside of someone, but the Pilgrims in Songclave prove that this principle doesn't always apply.

[fringe jungle]

i thought hornet just didn't like those flies because they were stinky

[old compass]

I feel like saying hornet is racist is as unimportant as saying she's a weirdo for gloomsac entry

[quartz gulch]

By?

[lavish stratus]

The game.

[unkempt steeple]

There is no sea or sorrow

[fervent bough]

Weren't the flies jailers for the citadel

[somber rapids]

I'm pretty sure not believing in the citadels religion has something to do with avoiding being haunted

[lavish stratus]

They are slaves.

[fervent bough]

Born into servitude

[lavish stratus]

"The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better."

[oblique parrot]

By who? There are no Weavers actively controlling them behind the scenes. Their servitude is inherited and ingrained in their head. There is no consequence if they deny, but they literally can't deny.

[old compass]

eh it could be both ways, the game says that it could also be caused by not being devoted enough, from benjimum and curl

[lavish stratus]

They're slaves, they've been taught all their life that they need to capture people.

[oblique parrot]

Because they are incapable of being born without the servitude towards the citadel, which in process, hurts innocents.

[orchid spruce]

it's just team cherry's attempt to make the journal writing more interesting

not much to read into

[lavish stratus]

This is textbook racism.

[quartz gulch]

Actually the opposite. Any sort of "song" helps repell the powers of GMS, even if only by a bit and as a mean of stagnating it. The religion encourages song, so it helps most of the case. Except in the part were they all travel to the source of the problem where it is strongest.

[orchid spruce]

they're just not good at writing

[lavish stratus]

^

[oblique parrot]

Lol, we just making shit up now to discredit good writing.

[fervent bough]

This is great writing though? She's not perfect and I doubt shes racist

[lavish stratus]

Hornet being able to go into memories is a complete asspull.

[fervent bough]

She's a demigod?

[lavish stratus]

This doesn't mean anything.

[fervent bough]

It means a lot

[quartz gulch]

Don't bother with people stating their subjective opinions as objective facts.

[orchid spruce]

#sk-discussion is back to silksong positive talks again, sea of sorrow must be round the corner

[toxic vigil]

Hello

[fringe jungle]

even if she was racist that doesn't automatically mean the game's writing is bad

[quartz gulch]

Maybe you just don't know shit and cope with insulting the writing?

[fervent bough]

I know

[oblique parrot]

"Your explanation for my subjective interpretation doesn't mean anything. Hence you are wrong."

[lavish stratus]

This is the third time I've been called an idiot for having an opinion.

Thanks Silksong fans, you've opened my eyes to your ways.

[orchid spruce]

that's just HK community for ya

[oblique parrot]

One thing to have an opinion, another to project it as objective truth.

[orchid spruce]

pretty hostile towards critics

[quartz cave]

Now what the hell is going on

[fervent bough]

I like how the lore delves deep into her thoughts and feelings about the various people and customs

[lavish stratus]

Thanks for being media literate, it's nice to not be alone.

[orchid spruce]

just tell me, what is silksong about

[quartz gulch]

I'm sorry for calling you as such then, though I disagree with your ways of presenting opinions as if they were facts. It's a bit unclear.

[fringe jungle]

I don't really agree with you but you're not an idiot for the opinion you have

[oblique parrot]

Me against the world core.

[quartz cave]

Im confused why are yall fighting and where the hell did the topic or slavery show up from

[orchid spruce]

slab journals etc

[solar eagle]

karmelita was harder than i remembered in my second play through

[quartz cave]

holy hell

[fervent bough]

I'm not fighting. I'm just discussing the journals

[toxic vigil]

styx literally asks to be hornet's slave

[fervent bough]

I haven't thrown out any insults or anything of the sort lol

[orchid spruce]

you're chill

[quartz cave]

I forgot about that

[quartz gulch]

Opposing tyranny, presented as a religion that bugs blindly follow, not seeing the doom they willingly approach.

[fringe jungle]

yeah I don't think most of us are even being aggressive here

[orchid spruce]

just that 3 diamonds guy being up people's ass for no reason

[still osprey]

I can throw out insults if you need me to 🫡

[solar eagle]

this chat is always controversial

[still osprey]

@still osprey FUCK you!!! Dumbass!!

[orchid spruce]

that's not how themes work

[oblique parrot]

Enlighten us. How do they?

[orchid spruce]

i'll goodwill you and re-interpret you

[lavish stratus]

And Act 3 throws this away completely.

[orchid spruce]

but act 3 completely throws that theme away

[quartz cave]

Hey what the fuck is wrong with you you dumbass!!! Dont insult my friend @still osprey like that!!! Theyre peak....

[orchid spruce]

what you said is just a topic, btw, not a theme, but i understand what you mean

[still osprey]

They deserve it they're STUPID and DUMB

[keen solstice]

What the fuck is going on here

[strange knot]

@ mods, this person is insulting other people

[oblique parrot]

You're the one that called it a theme.

[strange knot]

Unforgivable

[quartz cave]

Stop literally lying!!!!

[lavish stratus]

Don't call it a "thematic shift" either, themes should be present throughout the entire game.

[still osprey]

I would literally never lie I only speak the truth

[quartz cave]

Says the liar

[fervent bough]

It says and I quote about the warden fly in specific "Disgusting in both manner and stench, I feel no remorse to see them felled" I don't see how this is considered racist. They are jailers and they stink of corpses

[atomic sparrow]

well its not like those entries are ever addressed, nor are those flaws apparent elsewhere, again I think its just a case of TC not checking their writing enough

[orchid spruce]

you're right, i should've asked the question more clearly

right, what is silksong's theme

[unkempt steeple]

I don't like silksong bc it promotes unaliving others, I wish they kept the pacifist route

[old compass]

uh, generational trauma

[unkempt steeple]

Imperialism is good

[oblique parrot]

They are present. If the nuance in the story shifts the perception but you're too rigid to look at it from another perspective, that's not the writer's fault. It merely means you are too accustomed to being spoonfed your lore.

[quartz cave]

Can we kill that guy who used "unaliving" even ironically

[atomic sparrow]

I mean theres also
The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better. - Freshfly
Foul creatures birthed into servitude. Their plight elicits no sympathy from me. - Scabfly
and With this one vanquished, I hope to have sped the end for that jail and its distasteful order. - Broodmother

[old compass]

I say we crucify him

[fervent bough]

They breed into the same gruesome ways?

[orchid spruce]

[unkempt steeple]

Nice pfp, that's the guy from young dracula and not another more popular medical show

[fervent bough]

They'll go straight into the same exact ways as their predecessors unfortunately

[quartz cave]

Surely

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans are evil man it's crazy

[lavish stratus]

Silksong is the spoonfeeder, at least compared to Hollow Knight, which was much more subtle and intricate with its lore. Silksong already spoonfeeds me the story, it's just that the story is bad.

[orchid spruce]

silksong had a juicy theme right there but they completely missed it, or failed to drive it home

[quartz cave]

He is actually from a very pppular medical show i lied, hes clearly from

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[oblique parrot]

Just sounds like you've got the wrong spoon in your mouth.

[orchid spruce]

"one should forgive/move on to break the cycle of abuse", for example

they decided, ugh lace but void instead, or something

[lavish stratus]

What does this even mean?

[fervent bough]

She wishes to end the cycle the citadel creates within this jail. The flies go directly against this goal because they serve the citadel wholeheartedly

[civic island]

https://tenor.com/view/house-house-md-domain-expansion-dr-house-house-domain-gif-15600799113581393118

[fringe jungle]

wait what are you referring to here?

[orchid spruce]

lost lace

[oblique parrot]

You think you're being spoonfed an interpretation when you aren't. You're merely taking things at face value.

[fringe jungle]

yeah I know, but why did you bring up lost lace

[lavish stratus]

They. Are. Slaves.

[unkempt steeple]

Doctor home!

[quartz cave]

Can someone even explain what makes silksongs story practically any different from hk

[orchid spruce]

bad narrative conclusion

[fervent bough]

Yes and they can't be freed. It's better to kill them off so the entire cycle doesn't repeat

[orchid spruce]

at least the boss and the music is good

[unkempt steeple]

It's much better than hk's

[lavish stratus]

Becuase in Hollow Knight the protagonist doesn't kill random innocents.

[old compass]

well one is supressed trauma in a dead kingdom and the other is generational trauma in a kingdom in chaos

[oblique parrot]

Apparently hornet is racist and a murderer, and that makes Silksong a poorly written story compared to Hollow Knight (mass genocide is a plot point in the latter btw).

[opaque sigil]

💀 💀 💀

[still osprey]

dawg

[fringe jungle]

eh I kind of agree. I like the idea of gms sacrificing herself to aid hornet in saving lace, but otherwise I don't like the fact that the final boss is just lace for the third time

[lavish stratus]

Lost Lace is one of the worst final bosses in gaming, period.

[lavish stratus]

What?

[oblique parrot]

Me when I can't possibly wrap my head around protagonists being more than goody two shoes.

[fervent bough]

A brutal truth lol

[opaque sigil]

no you're just a bad person

[fringe jungle]

now I wouldn't go that far but I agree the final boss could've been better

[cerulean sable]

How it feels to put LL in S tier ong

[fervent bough]

That's a subjective opinion either way

[lavish stratus]

Protagonists being generally likeable is a very base template for a story. How Team Cherry managed to miss with even that confounds me.

[opaque sigil]

you're literally arguing genocide is fine if you don't think the group can be rehabilitated silksong fans are not real people

[oblique parrot]

💀

[orchid spruce]

the final boss just doesn't mean anything. what does voided lace even mean? her angst? and we beat it out of her or something?

[fervent bough]

She's likable to the most of us

[old compass]

come on guys we don't need to judge individual morals over a story of a silly niche indie game that's underated

[oblique parrot]

I don't think you've read many stories.

[toxic vigil]

well i guess i am doing rs1

[fervent bough]

😂

[quartz cave]

Ok i literally do not know what your point from earlier is but like you do know protagonists dont need to be likeable right

[opaque sigil]

I can judge people based on their heuristics and this is a pretty bad one

[lavish stratus]

Really? Because I see conversations happening everyday about how poorly characterised Hornet is.

[oblique parrot]

Protagonist simply means the character leading the story. It does not have anything to do with morality, and a character does not need to be morally perfect to be likeable.

[orchid spruce]

i don't think so

[fervent bough]

She's an intriguing character.

[unkempt steeple]

Wrong, if you break the hornet statuette you're a horrible human being

[lavish stratus]

What?

[oblique parrot]

Echo chambers.

[old compass]

hard to argue with, since we can enjoy villians

[orchid spruce]

protagonists don't have to be likeable

[quartz gulch]

Can anyone please tell me how racism works in Silksong/Hollow Knight? From my perspective, each bug is given a role based on their artistic design. Technically, the Stags as a race are nothing more or less than public transport workers. This unfortunately also means all [insert bug "race"] are tied to a certain role. So is it racism if the species and job (/or so) define each other? I want a genuine answer by the way.

[cerulean sable]

I literally only see it in this server alone, like ong ngl

[old compass]

[orchid spruce]

hornet was just never presented to be cold-blooded before then

[lavish apex]

this is kind of a wild claim

[unkempt steeple]

Why do you hate grinding, it's the most fun aspect of silksong

[cerulean sable]

i go literally outside and i never see this level of scurtiny Hornet gets as a protag lmao

[fervent bough]

How is she a villain when shes the only reason the kingdom had a chance of being saved

[oblique parrot]

Great point lol.

[quartz cave]

Some stories even outright dont work without unlikeable protagonists

[lavish stratus]

Hornet is the only character that is shown to dislike other bugs due to their species or where they're from.

[old compass]

ever heard of masochism /j

[orchid spruce]

my fav book's protagonist is a bitch

[atomic sparrow]

outside? Hornets? these?

[unkempt steeple]

This channel sucks right

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[orchid spruce]

and it works

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet from Marble Hornets

[oblique parrot]

Because most of the players have better things to do than nitpicking narratives to scream "racism" in a fairly progressive storyline.

[unkempt steeple]

Collect my fleas

[quartz cave]

dont elderbug do this

[still osprey]

I think Silksong is a fun game and I enjoyed playing through it and I had fun 👍

[lavish stratus]

When has Elderbug ever disliked others for being outsiders or different?

[orchid spruce]

insert the picture that says i also dislike this thing but for more nuanced reasons than yours

[quartz cave]

FUCK YOU!!!! you told me you were cursed by a witch to be physically and mentally unable to play videogames when i asked if we could play among

[quartz cave]

Literally as soon as the troupe shows up

[fringe jungle]

grimm troupe iirc

[fervent bough]

It says quite early on that all the kingdoms residents had silk implanted into them over years and years to the point it's basically hardwired into their DNA. The main reason the silk could control them

[unkempt steeple]

This a problematic opinion

[cerulean sable]

I swear as much as there is understandable criticism about the game, the notion of "Hornet is talked about being the worst protag" ever only ever happens on this channel and ive been almost everywhere

Like its genuinely an echochamber at times

[oblique parrot]

You're racist and a bad person.

[lavish stratus]

The Grimm Troupe feeds on the deaths of kingdoms.

[heady iron]

Luckily I'm not like those guys

[fervent bough]

90% of the bugs you meet within this place are straight up undead

[quartz cave]

Whats your point here exactly because elderbug is never at any point shown this nor is knowledgeable about the topic

[opaque sigil]

she's certainly not the worst protag and nobody is saying she is, that's not the criticism regarding the slab

[unkempt steeple]

People ran out of silksong to talk about so now it's either bad faith criticism or mio discussion

[quartz cave]

He says so aswell iirc

[oblique parrot]

But they're enslaved by the nightmare heart, no?

[lavish stratus]

No? They're willingly working for the Nightmare Heart, and as shown by Brumm, they can leave if they want to.

[orchid spruce]

that's not the point, gang

[quartz cave]

What was nymms relation to this exsctly i dont remember

[orchid spruce]

we lost the plot

[still osprey]

I didn't know team cherry killed people and supported racism and genocide...... This is so sad......

[orchid spruce]

that's not why the slab entry is ass

[oblique parrot]

You don't know that. Don't they ask you to banish it for that to happen?

[atomic sparrow]

I don't think it gets worst than the slabfly entries at least
I think theres 1 or 2 corny lines from Hornet too but at the end of the day they're just corny
there's also that wingsmould journal entry well we could always blame TC

[lavish stratus]

Elderbug has the right to be afraid of the troupe, because they do horrible things.

[fringe jungle]

remind me why are the slab entries bad

[cerulean sable]

crab something something convergent design

[quartz gulch]

Nope:
-Shakra calls Hornet a child for whatever reason, likely her height. Yet she is a overaverage tall species.
-All karaka are an army that kills others outside their tribe, basically others "not like them"
-Hornet dislikes the flies for what they do, not for their existense as the only factor
"put an end to their distasteful order"
-The Hunter Flea specifically calls Hornet "not furry" and such, in several ways implying her to be an outsider
-The Vaultkeeper with Weavers

So how does this contribute to your argument?

[fervent bough]

The Nightmare's Heart: This shadowy entity created the troupe's leader, Grimm, as a vessel. To keep the entity living forever, the troupe is forced to travel to dying kingdoms and harvest nightmare flames generated by the despair and pain of the ruined lands.Mind Control Masks: The masks worn by troupe members are key to this servitude, acting as tools to bind them to the Nightmare's Heart.

[quartz cave]

The point is you cannot say hornet id the only bug ever to discriminate about bugs she does not know of at all when elderbug does aswell
I thinks thats the issue sith your points, youre stating opinions as facts

[oblique parrot]

💀
You can't be this blind to the parallels.

[quartz cave]

He doesnt know that though.

[fervent bough]

They are literally enslaved via masks

They don't have a choice

[heady iron]

You see I say the channel memes like "do I almost fell fear" to make fun of the people who criticize the game because of that

[orchid spruce]

she's consistently shown as kind throughout the game before then

[quartz cave]

He is, judging without knowing because of hoe they look or act, kinda what racism is

[atomic sparrow]

Do I almost feel laughter

[oblique parrot]

Trying to sound intellectual.

[fringe jungle]

ok, why can't she be mean

[heady iron]

Batman when he fights the Joker

[fringe jungle]

kind people aren't kind 24/7

[atomic sparrow]

Why so serious?!

[quartz gulch]

This is blatant hypocrisy, a pretty big sign you've just lost your argument.

[orchid spruce]

genocide isn't the opposite of kind

[fervent bough]

The troupe are enslaved to the nightmare heart

[oblique parrot]

She isn't. She's constantly going to death threats whenever someone disagrees with her.

[orchid spruce]

what i mean, is unkind # genocide

[opaque sigil]

the issue isn't hornet being mean it's saying eugenics shit

[cerulean sable]

i feel like the slab is more on just TC just being inconsistent going shitting on slab flies cuz they kidnapped funny because her interaction with the Broodling was anything reflective of that but i never really got into the hyperbole shes an evil protag or wtv

i mean even then she has stated flaws like her will to kill random bugs for practice which kinda melds with how a lot of players will naturally hit anything they see in the local fauna

[fervent bough]

Do what?

[quartz cave]

I dont know what entry it is but it can bet pretty jarring if for example a character that is always sad and supper depressed suddenly acts happy as hell in one scene then never again

[heady iron]

You're so right #JusticeForKratt

[wind mulch]

to be fair if a mysterious tent materialises next to your house with a vampiric looking troupe leader and obsession with esoteric spirit fire ur probably within ur rights to be a little prejudice

[cerulean sable]

so long story i just never overanalyzed it i dunno

[opaque sigil]

they certainly didn't think the lines through, that's why they're bad lines

[oblique parrot]

?

[cerulean sable]

that i can agree

[opaque sigil]

but they are bad lines and people scrambling to defend them are disgusting

[quartz gulch]

Please have a read through about the "eugenics" @opaque sigil, I'd like to know your say on this.

[orchid spruce]

that's a low-hanging fruit, still

[fervent bough]

The only time she's tried to kill anyone not within the corrupted is that bug who tried to spy on her in the flea bath isn't it?

[lavish stratus]

The wingsmould entry is nearly as bad as the slabfly entries, Hornet conveniently forgets that the Pale King the "fool" is responsible for the infection stopping. The Knight is a void creation of the Pale King.

[orchid spruce]

no one told me what silksong's theme is yet

anyways gtg, have fun

[heady iron]

Me when I don't know the difference between races and species

[opaque sigil]

no it's not nearly as bad, it's nonsense but nonsense is not nearly as bad

[lavish stratus]

They're bugs.

[unkempt steeple]

Silksong chat discussion of the day: is bug racism still racism

[quartz gulch]

You still haven't answered my response, have you?

[oblique parrot]

She threatens the vaultkeeper into passing down their exclusive melody to her.

I'm saying it's not suddenly out of character for Hornet to be hostile against diseased bugs when she has shown aggression to get things done plenty of other times.

[cerulean sable]

i dont think theyre defensible at all either, ultimately i just think theyre inconsistent but that one line for me isnt enough for me to think Hornet is like a genocide maxer or wtv

[heady iron]

Arthropods are a phylum

[atomic sparrow]

oh yeah its bad but not as bad as slabfly entries, maybe we'll get something worse in a dlc

[wind mulch]

arthropods are my friends

[opaque sigil]

yes because tc clearly didn't intend for the lines to reflect on her character in the way they do

[unkempt steeple]

Arthropods are my enemies.

[lavish stratus]

Hornet was generally a good person in the first game, I don't know why it all gets thrown away in Silksong.

[fervent bough]

A grimdark world where an enslaved kingdom kidnapped her to take her silk. So she seeks answers to why and just saves the kingdom in the process. That's the theme I got from it anyways

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-gojo-gojo-vs-sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-6903186477285389616

[opaque sigil]

it's contradictory to what you're supposed to take away from her character which is why it's BAD WRITING

[heady iron]

It's all because of woke

[unkempt steeple]

She is still a generally good person in silksong what😭

[quartz cave]

I talked to simo and i am not supposed to tell this to yall, but hes playtested the content update and he says theres a point where hornet becomes a dictator and imprisons every non fluffy bug

[unkempt steeple]

Blue and red judas

[atomic sparrow]

because TC treats their lore as an afterthought have you seen what they said about their own lore in the recentish interview!!!

[opaque sigil]

this literally happens already in the game it's weaver queen

[lavish stratus]

She is racist to flies and kills Skarrsinger Karmelita and Green Prince

[oblique parrot]

Shouldn't she imprison every fluffy bug?

[unkempt steeple]

Based tbh

[fervent bough]

Isn't the vault keeper a part of the citadel though

[supple reef]

damn

[wind mulch]

do i almost feel autocratic

[oblique parrot]

How does that go against my point?

[fervent bough]

Even though the citadel has fallen into ruin

[quartz gulch]

I'm still awaiting my response, could you please argue it if you're being this confident?

[lavish stratus]

What do you want?

[fervent bough]

Who is kind to their family enemies?

[orchid spruce]

that's not a theme, that's just a summary

[oblique parrot]

No one is. It's not supposed to be a bad thing.

[fervent bough]

What reason does she have to trust someone who serves the citadel

[wind mulch]

themes and such

[oblique parrot]

Arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. I'm saying she's no hesitant to being hostile against people when required.

[unkempt steeple]

Based tbh

[quartz gulch]

@lavish stratus A reply to my reply to your reply.

[fervent bough]

I would understand if he was like a deserter or something

[quartz cave]

The theme is hop on hades 1 co-op mod or smth

[orchid spruce]

i have no more money after poptlc

[quartz cave]

FIRE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[wind mulch]

yea let me get another post ruin fantasy setting.... uhhhhh... make the main theme religion bad..... uhhhhh.... throw in some elements of the kingdom being stuck in some kind of stasis uhhhh

[quartz cave]

Thats right bestie spend all your money on peak

[fervent bough]

It depends on the context of who it is. She's never shown any sort of violence towards anyone else besides allies to the very people who tried to execute her lol

[orchid spruce]

will take me months to recover from the buying frenzy i went through

[lavish stratus]

Hornet corrects Shakra as soon as she gets called a child, and Shakra realises she isn't a child by the end of the game. The Karak are defending themselves. Hornet wants genocide for the slabflies.
There is no "Hunter Flea".
The Weavers are already evil.

[quartz cave]

I still have leftover money i will spend it on among us plushies

[orchid spruce]

so true

[fringe jungle]

you forgot the virus that turns everyone EVIL

[quartz cave]

If you have money left then you didnt do a good enough job

[fervent bough]

As all things should be 🤣

[oblique parrot]

Did you read the conversation? They claimed it's not in her character to be hostile against the slabflies, and I said that's not true. She's constantly hostile when she needs to be, against her enemies.

[orchid spruce]

i have 3$ in my bank account, im doing an excellent job

[quartz cave]

Thats enough to buy a copy of among us on sale though,.,.,.,.,.,. .,

[quartz gulch]

I do hope you fully played the game? If you say there is no Hunter Flea, I might as well write you off as a larper, because there absolutely is.

[opaque sigil]

not what the issue is at all silksong fans can't read

[fervent bough]

Yeah you're right sorry for the misunderstanding

[lavish stratus]

Her name is Vog.

[orchid spruce]

my bad, lemme buy amongus copies until i have no more

👍

me shower me smelly byebye

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[lavish stratus]

When she calls Hornet "bug-not-flea", that's her calling her what she is. Similarly to how Gilly calls the Skarr "red-shells".

[quartz cave]

Real and based and peak and awesome and amazing

[wind mulch]

is it over for me

[quartz cave]

No, get a loan, use it to buy more copies of among us

[fervent bough]

He's located in the putrified ducts isn't he?

[quartz gulch]

Otherwise:
-Shakra calls Hornet a child for the majority of the game either way
-The Karak were NOT defending, this isn't even debatable
-The Weavers were "already evil"? Hmmmmm...................I heard that somewhere before......

[oblique parrot]

Sure is. She is hostile against everyone that contributes to the citadel order, and the birth of slabflies comes with inseparable ingraining with servitude for the said order.

[opaque sigil]

every part of that is false

[quartz gulch]

I think it's a "she" but yes. Anyone that played the full game should know what I'm referring to.

[lavish stratus]

They.
Are.
Slaves.

Just because they drop rosaries doesn't mean they get paid.

[fervent bough]

They are jailers first and foremost

Work for the citadel and they won't stop working for the citadel

[plucky stag]

had a very good final mio session before s2

[lavish stratus]

They literally can't even leave the Slab

What are they supposed to do

[wind mulch]

how tf did they kidnap me then

[fervent bough]

It's like those slaves to planet viltrum in the invincible comics lol

[lavish stratus]

That's not what I meant.

[oblique parrot]

They do leave the slab. How else do they capture things?

[opaque sigil]

if the takeaway from the slabflies is intended to be that they're irredeemable and now evil and not deserving of sympathy that's also bad writing btw

but you're just terrible people

[quartz cave]

After literally reaing over two message the issue is very clear

[opaque sigil]

what did you wrap up?

[oblique parrot]

Hornet's view of them isn't necessarily what YOU are supposed to take from the game, people.

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-possible-you-may-be-overreacting-a-bit-chill-out-dramatic-calm-down-linda-martin-gif-16834102

[quartz cave]

Both of the sides are wrong and both of them are saying theyre right and no other opinion can be

[fervent bough]

Buddy you need to get out into the real world and see what actual terrible people look like

[quartz gulch]

You are a hypocrite. You call Weavers "already evil", when their worship to GMS forced them to essentially act like slaves. You say the Grimm Troupe is evil, when their kind are controlled by a higher force.
I think you don't actually have your own opinion and that you're just going along with something you heard online. Now that you agree you feel you must defend it at all cost, despite not even knowing all content within the game.

[oblique parrot]

It's like you can't differentiate between yourself and the protagonist of the game.

[plucky stag]

mio endgame screenshots:

[devout dove]

boutta fight karmelita

[fervent bough]

Hypeeee

[opaque sigil]

ah, you got snv, nice

[graceful oyster]

Congrats on all of these

[plucky stag]

i still have more, and here they are (mostly of menu screens):

[fervent bough]

Her kingdom are some of the most intriguing characters within the entire game

[timid sky]

Can't shortage be accessed earlygame

[plucky stag]

it looks like all i have to do now is ||defeat shii||, the true final boss

[plucky stag]

i just never thought to do something obvious until way late in the game

[opaque sigil]

oh, you haven't done that yet?

[plucky stag]

happens to the best of us

[plucky stag]

at the request of grynne i'll be maxing out the game before i fight the tfb

[quartz cave]

Chat i so want to watch a movie rn

[plucky stag]

because once i defeat them i'm probably never opening the game again

[fervent bough]

I love the plot twist that ||The ants with spots are the only ones able to hear her actual song. The rest are corrupted||

[quartz cave]

Should i go see the funny detective sheep that looks good

[graceful oyster]

Ever so unfortunately you have one major but optional thing left

[plucky stag]

and what is that (i'll get to it in a month or so)

[graceful oyster]

||The door behind Vlad||

[fervent bough]

Did you fight shakra

[plucky stag]

||the pit?||

i was just about to post my unopened doors

[opaque sigil]

admittedly it's not that important to do but it is a cool area

[plucky stag]

and here are the doors i have left to open in mio

[plucky stag]

can't wait to come back to this game next month after s2 (and possibly sos)

[graceful oyster]

It ties up a lot of context

[plucky stag]

right now i'm just resting and preparing my body for a long night in the deep sea

[atomic sparrow]

sos pushed to december 😔

[opaque sigil]

rogue core on the 20th...

[high sparrow]

We about to get gta 6 before sos btw

[graceful oyster]

Your dedication to hop on the hype train at any and all costs is
Interesting

[quartz cave]

SOS??? oh my god andy what happened!! Why is help arriving over half a year late!!! Have you tried calling spider-man

[plucky stag]

oddly enough this final session was a lot calmer now that it was clear i wasn't going to finish in time

[atomic sparrow]

no I haven't tried that

maybe I should

[quartz gulch]

1. What are you talking about, did you even look into the previous context? My claim is:
   Shakra assumes Hornet a child despite her being a different (smaller) species, especially with Shakra being overaveragely tall. And after being corrected, Hornet is called a child regardless.

2. The Karaka have the motive "Only the strong can survive". Within their ranks, not a single bug of other general species (they're all coral bugs, karaka) can be found. They didn't defend themselves, they took over half of Pharloom. If you believe they somehow did it without the use of their giant military (hence they only ever defended, as the argument said) you are just ignoring logic in favor of being right.

3. "Already evil" isn't my fucking words, are you illiterate? Surely not, as you seem to be fine making coherent sentences. Perhaps you could also read what is replied to you?

[plucky stag]

i went into tonight having basically waved the white flag

[quartz cave]

Hes likely busy kissing johnny storm dont bother

[graceful oyster]

It's just funny because like
You could just push back the time

[opaque sigil]

honestly I'd recommend trying to get true ending before a month long break but you do you

[charred tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014396855741857795/1412830689694322758/bounce.gif

[quartz cave]

Call someone else instead

[graceful oyster]

The game isn't going anywhere

[plucky stag]

i already did this with nine sols

[graceful oyster]

Like you said you only get to play it for the first time once

[high sparrow]

What is spider man gonna do💔,call daredevil instead

[wind mulch]

basically everyone we kill in hk and ss is acting outside of their own will

[plucky stag]

i put the true ending grind on hold because other things came up (one of them being silksong)

[atomic sparrow]

peak sols 😊

[quartz cave]

Idk depends what emergency andy had

[plucky stag]

and what i'm doing doesn't contradict that

i'm just hitting pause on mio for a month

[high sparrow]

Manslaugther

[oblique parrot]

Definitely didn't misread the username and thought the other person was actually being that dense and listing points that contradict their own claims. My bad.

[quartz cave]

What the HELL is daredevil gonna do if andy is like stuck at the top of the eiffel tower

[plucky stag]

this could just as easily have been a vacation out of the country and it'd be the same thing

[devout dove]

carma lita

[thorny dome]

Screaming ant lady

[quartz cave]

He should call a lawyer then! Not daredevil, what would a superhero even know about law smh

[devout dove]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[atomic sparrow]

hes called daredevil surely he can catch me or something

[opaque sigil]

if it works for you it works for you

[high sparrow]

Bro hes the man with no fear,he will find a way im sure

[quartz gulch]

Well.....
-Radiance
-NKG (we did kinda help him either way)
-Menderbug (bro did nothing wrong and wasn't infected)
-Green Prince (say what you will, I doubt some people here will give good arguments for anything)

There are probably far more.

[plucky stag]

i would like some pointers to open the remaining doors i have left

[wind mulch]

well yea there are exceptions but the overwhelming majority

[opaque sigil]

the only one I really remember is the ||pit|| one which ||needs you to have a certain mod equipped which you get for completing a side objective||

[graceful oyster]

Not strictly, but it's like reading every chapter of a book except the last and then reading the last a month later
What is intended to be experientially heavy will feel more isolated and limp

[high sparrow]

..actually who here is a fan of daredevil,im a fan of him

[quartz gulch]

I agree. Three I listed are the ones in control.

[devout dove]

you can hit karmelita while shes in her intro animation

[plucky stag]

i mean fair

[quartz cave]

I like the guy, have a few in line but still havent read his comics yet

[plucky stag]

but i did this with nine sols and i still enjoyed the ending

[quartz cave]

I did watch season one of born again though

[high sparrow]

Youre not gonna believe this

[graceful oyster]

Not as much as you would have I'm sure of it

[oblique parrot]

There are cheese starts to absolutely obliterate her while she's hitting the high note during her intro, lol.

[plucky stag]

yeah, but what can you do about it

[quartz cave]

🤯

[quartz gulch]

Just like with most bosses, only once or twice before they introduce themselves. Same goes for Dung/White Defender, Savage Beastfly and so.

[turbid verge]

||i just died just before reaching the giant bird in mount fay, literally an inch away from his platform||

[plucky stag]

if it's that important i can interleave s2 and mio sessions

[graceful oyster]

Should be asking what, if anything, could you do about it

[devout dove]

no i hit her like. 6 times w/ wanderer crest

[high sparrow]

I really have been trying to read a comic from him but its been kinda hard

[plucky stag]

like for example, daytime streams are s2 and nighttime streams are mio

[opaque sigil]

I mean you're probably not more than half a session off finishing mio

[devout dove]

does it perhaps.. involve sawtooth circlet?

[plucky stag]

dang, if i hadn't physically crashed today and maximized the last day i might have done it

[quartz cave]

Apparently mark waids run is good idk thats the one in my list but i also added that centuries ago

[plucky stag]

but all those straight days of miomaxing and playing despite burnout finally caught up to me

[opaque sigil]

happens

[oblique parrot]

Mostly tacks and volt vessels because they hit even after the animation stuns you.

[plucky stag]

it's the diamond miner meme

[devout dove]

ooh maybe

[quartz gulch]

Idk then, personally I am not that good at perfectly timing the most dps for that short amount of time. I'm pretty sure Karmelita stuns you, unlike Bell Beast/Lace entering its/her second phase.

[plucky stag]

and i actually had a sign in my dreams when i took a nap this afternoon

[turbid verge]

nvm reached it now

[plucky stag]

like 2 minutes before i woke up i was at the beach and a fish swam up to me at the shore and made a gesture to me

[oblique parrot]

I think most bosses stun you during the intro and most dont stun you during phase shift (both true for Karmelita).

[atomic sparrow]

man why can't I have dreams like these 😔

[plucky stag]

it couldn't speak, but it did a gesture as if to say "come with me", then it swam off into the distant ocean

[quartz gulch]

Tacks, Voltvessels, Cogflies, Pollip (Idc haters), Sting Shard, Curveclaw (hits twice with placement), Cogwheel. I think there could be more.

[devout dove]

huh. i just fought her again but i got stunned immediately, must've been a bug

[plucky stag]

then i woke up and took it as a sign that playing subnautica was more important

[quartz gulch]

I had that with NKG once, where I could walk around during the appearance intro. Def a bug.

[opaque sigil]

that was actually the soul fysh from slay the spire 2 using its signature ability Beckon

[plucky stag]

i'm rotating that game in too

[oblique parrot]

Getting hit sometimes breaks you out of the intro stun. Happens with cogwork dancers still.

Probably not what happened in your case, but I wonder if it works for Karmelita too.

[cerulean sable]

They should buff weighted belt to prevent boss scream intro stuns

it already reduces Barnak drag speed

why not

[plucky stag]

but if i am seriously this close to finishing mio i might just alternate games until i finish the game and then focus solely on subnautica afterwards

[oblique parrot]

-# They should make spider strings let you be immune to stuns.

[cerulean sable]

they should rework spider strings

[atomic sparrow]

nightmare blunt rotation

[cerulean sable]

right now its just a lore farm item

[charred tiger]

random far fields bugs

[cerulean sable]

they should reintroduce needolin stun mechanic

[oblique parrot]

Done. It summons weaverlings now.

[plucky stag]

think of it like crossfading between two shots in a video

[opaque sigil]

I mean you're at the true final boss so yeah, unless you also want to do ||pit|| but that's not particularly long (unless you're missing most of the things you need to get there)

[cerulean sable]

make it a debuff, everyone spider strung takes 20% more damage if you suceed with the stun

[plucky stag]

i want to max the game out before i fight the tfb

[devout dove]

no i think that is what happened. i think i ran into her and it overran the stun

[quartz gulch]

Nah, they've got that silk haunting in them. Even says so in the journal. Skrills don't have that though, I just remembered.

[cerulean sable]

thats a speedrun strat

[charred tiger]

the birds

[opaque sigil]

oh if you want to 100% then there's the old core grind

[cerulean sable]

getting bosses to drop on you to get rid of the stun anim

[plucky stag]

is that required for having all items

[opaque sigil]

no

[devout dove]

oh wow

[graceful oyster]

Um actually I interpret it as that you're supposed to do true ending

[opaque sigil]

there are a lot more old cores than places to spend them

[quartz gulch]

The birds in HK have infection displayed so there is still a possibility for the ones in SK.

[graceful oyster]

This makes sense trust

[cerulean sable]

HK runners do it extensively

like iirc people intentionally let Dung Def pop out on them before the intro to start throwing damage at him instead of being stunned by his intro

[plucky stag]

i came up with a compromise

i'll just juggle both games until i finish mio, then it's full tilt on s2

[opaque sigil]

if you want to do ||pit|| there's a potential it'll take a while

[oblique parrot]

Don't they use dive for that?

[plucky stag]

it's like a crossfade transition in a video; one shot dissolves into the next

[cerulean sable]

i dont fully remember?

[plucky stag]

instead of a straight cut

[quartz gulch]

On White Defender I usually get two hits in. On Dung Defender you can instantly stun him with DD, multiple times. Doesn't avoid the stun, but gives you damage opportunities before the bossfight even starts. Same goes for the second phase.

[cerulean sable]

Ahhh ok not familiar with the DDark strat

[cerulean sable]

i just remember letting your hitbox intersect when they spawn so you can break out of the animation

[plucky stag]

i've come too far to just stop mio for a month

but playing subnautica on day one is still important to me

[opaque sigil]

juggling games is totally doable in my experience

especially ones that are so different

[plucky stag]

i do that all the time with my other backlog games

before s2 comes out i juggled four games (pvz speedrunning, baba is you, slay the spire ii, and mio)

so this new game is going to make it five, but the first three i've kinda put on hold since they don't really require constant engagement like mio

[opaque sigil]

it's hard to see slay the spire 2 ever falling out of my rotation atm

[plucky stag]

fair

[orchid spruce]

i'm juggling 4 metroidvanias rn

juggle juggle juggle

[opaque sigil]

I'm still working my way through my xenoblade trilogy replay, probably won't finish that before rogue core

[oblique parrot]

I'm playing Constance and I hate its mapping system.

[orchid spruce]

constance is john boring

[oblique parrot]

Backtracking is my favourite part of metroidvanias but I feel far too lost in this one.

[orchid spruce]

it's probably okay

does constance have markers

[oblique parrot]

I'm not hating the mechanics so far, I think the unique wall climb is kind of fun.

It has a camera system for sticking screenshots on the map.

[plucky stag]

honest question about mio: does all achievements require a replay

[orchid spruce]

it's like, probably okay if i could bring myself to finish it. it has nothing new and doesn't do the old things well neither

[oblique parrot]

Which is usually great but it has limited uses and there are way too many openings to come back to later.

[orchid spruce]

nope

[heady iron]

I need to start constance so my money isn't wasted

[plucky stag]

are there any permanently missable ones

[heady iron]

(Meanwhile wukong, e33, mass effect legendary sit in my collection unplayed)

[orchid spruce]

nope

why would those exist

what game scarred you

[plucky stag]

hollow knight has them

silksong has one too (cursed child)

[opaque sigil]

tbf it's believable that tremors could make stuff missable

[orchid spruce]

i'm not creative enough to think of how

[opaque sigil]

killing npcs, removing enemies

[plucky stag]

this one was the one that was concerning me

[orchid spruce]

lmao

this one is the best

[exotic dome]

you can get that anytime i think

[opaque sigil]

if anything that one probably gets easier

[plucky stag]

so all achievements in this game can be gotten at any point in the game?

[exotic dome]

even if it's missable you can start another save and get that within 20 mins

yea pretty much

i got everything in one save

[orchid spruce]

yuep

[plucky stag]

then i'll go for the steam ribbon eventually

[orchid spruce]

don't feel ashamed about using a guide for 100%

[stable mica]

embrace the void is missable i think

if u give the flower then its permanent

[exotic dome]

bloodborne dlc started off like ringed city i'm scared

[stable mica]

if thats so

[orchid spruce]

the secrets are actually difficult

[plucky stag]

but should i really hold off on ||fighting shii|| until i have all the achievements except for the one you get for doing that? (and the ||get all others|| achievement ofc)

i don't mind doing a postgame cleanup

[orchid spruce]

i think you could fight the boss rn

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/click-the-bart-funny-bart-family-guy-gif-16902794461515045373

[orchid spruce]

and do cleanup later

my fear is that you won't pick up mio again

[plucky stag]

that's why i don't mind holding off

i want to be done with the game after i beat the tfb

but at the same time i'm open to doing a postgame cleanup

[opaque sigil]

saving old cores for postgame makes sense imo

[plucky stag]

by that point i'm using a guide

and/or taking hints from chat

[orchid spruce]

probably just do tfb then one session of ||the pit|| and then cleanup

oh wait, you're already done with ||the pit||, or sth, i don't remember

[plucky stag]

||the pit|| is postgame content?

[orchid spruce]

not really

[plucky stag]

i am not; that's one of the things i have to do in the next session

[orchid spruce]

it's just not needed for tfb

[exotic dome]

there are collectibles in there

[opaque sigil]

you'll probably want to have the ||old core guide up when you do pit||

[plucky stag]

i forgot to brag about this; i defeated ||ancile and targa|| on my first try

[orchid spruce]

so did i

they're nothingburgers

[exotic dome]

i died once i think

im a bum

[plucky stag]

after so many tough bosses to take down a boss first try is a massive change of pace

[orchid spruce]

you probably still miss one boss

aside from tfb

this one is pretty fun actually

[odd hull]

Helo

[orchid spruce]

||the doors||

[opaque sigil]

he got ||sol and vin||

[plucky stag]

and of course the boss i first tried guards ||a permanent atk upgrade||, which is real cool

[orchid spruce]

eeloo

[civic briar]

Tbh, I beat most of the ||act 1 ||bosses first try

[orchid spruce]

gamer

[civic briar]

Didn’t even play hk before

[odd hull]

[civic briar]

Guess Im just an Pretty good player

[orchid spruce]

i'm back on the ender lilies grind

fighting a pretty goated boss

[civic briar]

Btw my main ||crest|| is ||beast crest||

[odd hull]

Omggg

[odd hull]

Which one?

[orchid spruce]

i forgot the name

[odd hull]

Spoilers are allowed here

[orchid spruce]

the one on the field of roses

[civic briar]

Ahhhhh

Okay

Thanks for telling

[orchid spruce]

i don't know if it's another case if me making a boss better by just parrying a lot

i spammed parry a lot for this one and another boss earlier

[odd hull]

Ohhh, he's really cool

[orchid spruce]

is lilies supposed to be parry centric

[odd hull]

Nah, I played the entire game without parrying a single boss or enemy

[uneven tendon]

Hi

[orchid spruce]

bruh

i parried a lot

[uneven tendon]

Wdym parry

[orchid spruce]

sorry talking about another game

[uneven tendon]

Oh ok

[odd hull]

You can play however you want ig, it's cool

[uneven tendon]

Which game?

[orchid spruce]

ender lilies

[odd hull]

Ender Lilies

[uneven tendon]

Nice

[orchid spruce]

really good metroidvania

[uneven tendon]

Nine sols is also really good

[orchid spruce]

ikr

[odd hull]

This one

[uneven tendon]

Nice

[orchid spruce]

imagine me being the one to tip it to 95% into overwhelmingly positive

heh

[odd hull]

[uneven tendon]

Ultrakill is another really good game

[muted vector]

yall did hk have any dlc requirements?

[orchid spruce]

the ultrakill crowd is in #off-topic

[uneven tendon]

Mhm

[odd hull]

Wdym?

[orchid spruce]

you'll find your soulmates there

[uneven tendon]

Ok I'll go there