sk-discussion

[high sparrow]

I can make it work

[midnight magnet]

We were playing for keeps, but we both knew the cost.

[trim estuary]

Robloc

[wind mulch]

hornet would be horrible on a date

[thin yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-block-tales-hatred-pk-thunder-love-is-in-the-air-gif-6162644865842462553

[wind mulch]

imagine the aura farming

[midnight magnet]

Now the only way out's in her heart-shaped box.

[exotic dome]

no i have no idea

larp

[rocky jolt]

holy fuck hatred!

[wind mulch]

she beats u at mini golf and starts talking about how shes the daughter of hallownest or something

[fiery burrow]

I remain an ex of hive knight

[thin yacht]

fuck hive knight tbh

[midnight magnet]

But I hate that it seemed she was never enough. We were broken and bleeding, but never gave up. And I hate that I made her the enemy. And I hate that her heart was the casualty.

[thin yacht]

i hated that guy

[heady iron]

Ok I will

[grand token]

any tips for silksong gameplay?

[high sparrow]

Like guys give me one day with hornet and ill fix her on that day

[golden crater]

do not speak ill of the goat

[high sparrow]

Trust me im just that guy

[broken seal]

what

[rocky jolt]

what if instead of hollow knight it was hive knight and instead of The Hive it was The Hollow

[midnight magnet]

As we rest here alone like notes on a page. The finest to compose could not play our pain.

[golden crater]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hazmat-yordani-garage-ZDQ5BqcqIN3xwOsfLY

[midnight magnet]

I'm reminiscing about my ex wife

[sharp slate]

take your time, learn the patterns, figure out the heal, you got this

[broken seal]

is this Nirvana

[high sparrow]

Hey bro i think you need therapy

[grand token]

alr thanks

[midnight magnet]

With a candle through time I can still see her ghost.

[broken seal]

yeah this is Heart-Shaped Box from Nirvana

[thin yacht]

try to save silk and use it on heals only if you are not the best at the game

[grand token]

okayyy

[high sparrow]

Then call the ghost busters

[broken seal]

oh yeah even said it here lol 😭

[midnight magnet]

But I can't close my eyes for it is there where she haunts me most. Where she haunts me most

I miss my ex wife sometimes

[thin yacht]

btw yall may i ask, is this another off topic channel?

[sharp slate]

ghost busters thats an hk speedrun catagory

[broken seal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-my-wife-tails-i-miss-her-a-lot-sonic-the-hedgehog-snapcube-eggman-gif-27436480

[odd hull]

Nah

[exotic dome]

do i almost beat you?

[high sparrow]

Anyways so i grinded on nine sols and i just defeated goumand and jiquiens son

[rocky jolt]

the channel chooses when it wants to be on topic or not

[high sparrow]

And i also have a new parry now

[wind mulch]

do i almost feel a spark

[midnight magnet]

Do you think it's too late to go back to my wife and plead insanity

[broken seal]

goumand with no zaza?

[thin yacht]

well, thats actually good tbh

other than hk general

[high sparrow]

They should write that down

[lusty grove]

currently trying to beat Sprintmaster Swift without sprinting

[rocky jolt]

anyone have that savage beastfly cuphead defeat screen image

[toxic vigil]

clawline?

[thin yacht]

how tf is that possible?

[toxic vigil]

break their ankles

[high sparrow]

Also idk if its just me but like why is it that the perfect parry feels very tigth sometimes?

[rocky jolt]

fuck

[high sparrow]

In nine sols?

[lusty grove]

clawline and beast pogo

[grand token]

ez gruz mother :D

[high sparrow]

Like i can do like the best parrys..and then next i know im dead cause i did the normal version of it

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/fdjPuQzHTpy.gif

[formal mural]

is this larp or are you deadass traumadumping

[rocky jolt]

you people just larp all day long

specially wanderer users

[sharp slate]

i honestly hate the word larp is being used now

[wind mulch]

lyricposting

[rocky jolt]

ur larping as being different

[high sparrow]

Well im a true wanderer user

[formal mural]

i see

[high sparrow]

So im no larper

[sharp slate]

Wanderer is so based

[wind mulch]

larp

[thin yacht]

haven't tried wanderer after acquiring it tbh

[formal mural]

wanderer users larp as

[rocky jolt]

our entire existence here is just larping

[little fractal]

What is it I don't get it

[sharp slate]

its simple but fun

[little fractal]

Also hi Ash

[queen acorn]

ohhhhhh crest talk how i missed you

[thin yacht]

just thought it would not be fun to play with the normal hk attack thibg

[sharp slate]

it used to mean live action roleplay now its used as pretend basically

[formal mural]

live-action roleplay. it's like you put on a persona but it's not playing a character

[lusty grove]

ugh, this is so hard

[sharp slate]

thats fair, everyone has their own preference

[rocky jolt]

look how easy it is to start a crest discussion just say you hate wanderer

[heady iron]

So larping is like playing persona 5 golden?

I'm larping as a persona fan

[sharp slate]

honestly anything to try to shove larp spam into trash

[formal mural]

if someone said you larp hk a while ago it'd mean you run a tumblr account where you pretend to be idk a gruz or something. now it would mean you're pretending to be into hk

[high sparrow]

You really think people play persona like unironacly?

Theres no persona fans

[lusty grove]

ugh

[high sparrow]

They never existed

[narrow bramble]

Someone sing the choir quickly

[heady iron]

Aren't personas just ripoffs of jojo stands

[formal mural]

i used to get called a larper for using þ back when it actually meant something. i specifically am disgruntled by this

[high sparrow]

Ai slop

[glossy nebula]

Oh an alpha

[high sparrow]

Yeah

[little fractal]

Oh Ash, I see you have R5 as your greatest achievement, and no RS4
Unnamed says they're about the same so I'm curious, do you think they're close and you're just giving the edge to R5?

[odd hull]

Yes

[narrow bramble]

Lost garmond if he's uhh

[little fractal]

Or they're not comparable to you

[formal mural]

every time i close my eyes i see omni man /genericreferencebuttoaspecificscene

[queen acorn]

aaaaaaaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa

[sharp slate]

i think rs4 is more fun, but r5 is defintely harder

[narrow bramble]

Peter Griffin

[glossy nebula]

Aaa aaa aaaaa aaaa aaa

[sharp slate]

i think its relatively close still though maybe

[queen acorn]

stella i sang what now

[glossy nebula]

Can we sing hk godhome choir

[narrow bramble]

It's okay now

[little fractal]

Btw how's each crest RS4 going

[high sparrow]

Guys what would happen if peter from family guy was trans?

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694394891584667683/1365845428305793084/IMG_20250415_131019.gif

[narrow bramble]

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhh

[formal mural]

why does he look like he's holding a gun

[sharp slate]

the bosses are alot harder in silksong, but ALOT more consistent

[queen acorn]

this ruined my year

[thin yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/steal-meme-gif-10529824212370830454

[toxic vigil]

what

[trim estuary]

yeah þ is pretty cool but ð is better

[glossy nebula]

Oh oh oh ohh ohoh ohoh ohoh oh oh oh oh oh

[sharp slate]

not well, i burnt out a bit, got a 1 hit on shamans crest but stuck there for now

[queen acorn]

stella stella stella sahur

[narrow bramble]

Carol carol carol sahur

[sharp slate]

I think the consistency of the silksong bosses matters alot for the challenge when it comes to difficulty between rs4 and r5 as well

[formal mural]

ðey can exist wiþ each oðer

[queen acorn]

together we are tower heroes sahur

[fiery burrow]

I saw a soyjak for thorns and I wished I saved it because I cannot find it

[thin yacht]

triple T mention ❤️‍🩹

[queen acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/913269396259094548/929527467545362542/Image-1.gif

[odd hull]

What what

[little fractal]

Oh, that's close. But yeah seems tough
I am still considering RS4 after the 6 months of not playing silksong but idk

[sharp slate]

my fucking god people

[glossy nebula]

Ai slop

[sharp slate]

we need to remove image perms again

[narrow bramble]

Russia is js smth else

[glossy nebula]

Hl2 mentioned

[queen acorn]

woke up on the complete wrong side of bed huh

[little fractal]

Yeah that makes sense
R5 is very tricky to get first time because you're still learning new bullshit to fight

[sharp slate]

you can try it, but its only worth doing if its fun

[high sparrow]

DR FAUCI IS SUS LIKE AMOG US❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 😩 💔 💔 💔 💔 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[formal mural]

ghost dream nails a pyro main and sees this

[sharp slate]

its hard to have a conversation about silksong when the chat goes up 50 mph people braindead gif

[queen acorn]

never message again bro

[little fractal]

Of course lol
I did RS1 but got burned out at RS2 back in November

[queen acorn]

youll manage

[toxic vigil]

um honestly 2nd sentinel is just bs spam

[little fractal]

Just didn't give it the time either

[glossy nebula]

Peak

[sharp slate]

honestly rs2 irs harder than rs3 imo

[narrow bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-puff-meme-fat-gif-11878092523812931740

[little fractal]

But with more starts being developed and having you an unnamed to ask it could be way more fun

[sharp slate]

im not sure if unnamed would agree though or not

[solar eagle]

what the peak

[glossy nebula]

Lets do grimm theme in vc

[little fractal]

It also depends on what I do in HK. I'm still considering Dashless R5 and R04CC, with R5AB looming in the dark

[solar eagle]

this chat is fuckedup bro

[toxic vigil]

rad symphony?

[narrow bramble]

This is what no silksong godhome does to a person

[little fractal]

Interesting

[sharp slate]

it does feel like there is ALOT of flexability for strats which is nice

[delicate ice]

Beating coral tower first try makes me the best gamer

[sharp slate]

yep!

[glossy nebula]

It goes full circle as my sleep paralysis demon

[toxic vigil]

IM LITERALLY USING A GODHOME MOD

[rocky jolt]

civil protection doing ANYTHING for rations

[toxic vigil]

ALRIGHT WHO DO I DO NEXT

[little fractal]

Btw has there been a third RS4 or is it still only you an unnamed

[narrow bramble]

Phantom

[high sparrow]

Why is sk dicussion your demon?

[glossy nebula]

Cps are comming (anticitizen 101 )

[toxic vigil]

too short for circlet

[narrow bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/phantom-silksong-hollow-they-them-gif-9035642985040867451

[sharp slate]

not to my knowledge, but i dont pay attention to china so its hard to tell, i dont think its a challenge people are really actively hunting that much either

[exotic dome]

rad hog

[unkempt steeple]

Can I play silksong

[solar eagle]

no you cant

[exotic dome]

no

[little fractal]

Yeah, it being mod locked and not mainstream doesn't help

[unkempt steeple]

Aw man

[glossy nebula]

https://youtu.be/PB1p3_FjsTE?si=3DHN3Yw5XX1bBaki

[high sparrow]

No,play nine sols

[sharp slate]

defintely

[glossy nebula]

My favorite hl2 video of all time

[narrow bramble]

I am Radiant Hod, im not Radiant HoG

[rocky jolt]

its just a big lie made up by aperture to sell more ships

[glossy nebula]

But why did it disappear

[narrow bramble]

And no im not literally Radiant Hall of Dogs

[toxic vigil]

hall of dogs

[glossy nebula]

It isnt there in portal 2

[rocky jolt]

it never existed in the first place

[glossy nebula]

It did

[sharp slate]

since you have done rs1 and are attempting rs2, i know this isnt many benches but do you change your build at all during it

[rocky jolt]

and judith edited the footage

[unkempt steeple]

Gross no

[glossy nebula]

It appeared in hl2 ep2

[sharp slate]

i think there is only like 1 bench in rs1 so

[narrow bramble]

I said that before u

[rocky jolt]

nuh uh

[odd hull]

Yes.

[glossy nebula]

And the combines following us through 2 episodes

For the video

[high sparrow]

You dont like the cat people💔 ?

[unkempt steeple]

Thanks

[sharp slate]

i found it interesting how unnamed varies the build and im just sololy focused on one set of tools/skills which is interesting

[exotic dome]

combine vs grand mother silk

[rocky jolt]

all they want is to dissect gordon freeman

[glossy nebula]

So they send nearly all the earth army after him

And 2 advisors

[rocky jolt]

because he is a one man army

[hybrid flare]

Actually portal 2 happens a long time after the events of hl2, it might've had something to do with the actual ending of hl2

[queen acorn]

mrrrrowww

[hybrid flare]

did we indirectly get the ending of hl2 in portal

[glossy nebula]

No

[hybrid flare]

fym no

[glossy nebula]

Not confrimed

And the ship disappears pre portal 1

[queen acorn]

nyaaaa....

[hybrid flare]

Weird

[lusty grove]

new Swift meta

[glossy nebula]

My favorite theory https://youtu.be/PB1p3_FjsTE?si=3DHN3Yw5XX1bBaki

[rocky jolt]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NEVER RELEASE SEQUELS

[glossy nebula]

Basically it id that aperature found borealis, they activated it it went thriugh time and space, went pre combine, they activated it went to earth, they searched for it till they found earth, and in gl3 we wilk find it

[rocky jolt]

I DIDNT WANT ARTIFACT

I JUST WANTED TO FIND THE BOREALIS

[little fractal]

In RS1 I didn't, actually I didn't even bench to keep the hunter focus since I didn't need the tools.
In RS2 I did tho, for each bench I had a build, and in fact I changed crest
Wanderer for section 1 and hunter for 2 and 3 iirc

[glossy nebula]

But borealis is so important it needs a full game not just an episode

My favorite episode idea was ep 4

Basically shepard and gregory

[exotic dome]

the day before ricochet 2

[rocky jolt]

i think they probably ditched the idea of episode 3 a few years after episode 2 was already out

[glossy nebula]

Yep

They released screenshots after alyx was released

[odd hull]

Sorry

[rocky jolt]

deadlock 2 before half life 3

[glossy nebula]

I think 20s annivarsery

Didnt try hl alyx dont have a vr

[rocky jolt]

wdym sorry

[glossy nebula]

But I heard it is peak

[sharp slate]

thats really interesting actually, so cool how many unique ways there are at attempting this challenge tbh

[little fractal]

Yes. Blue and yellow tools are very unbalanced, especially for hitless.
But the redtools and even crests to a degree are quite varied to be worth changing
But also I was surprised at the variety in R5 too, I translated the list and ran some stats, and got some interesting results

[exotic dome]

yea they canceled it for hl3

[little fractal]

Also I think I calculated max focus hunter bracelet to have a very similar dps to wanderer bracelet

But I don't remember anything specific

[sharp slate]

oh neat

[hybrid flare]

hl2 will remain incomplete

[rocky jolt]

fuck bro i need to play hl3 i want to step on the borealis i want to talk to breengrub i need to see the combine dyson sphere

[little fractal]

Actually let's just do it rn

[sharp slate]

defintely agree, redtools the main problem i feel like at least for rs4 will be shard amount, but in theory i could see others being used
for blues what do you use? i run sawtooth, volt filament, and longclaw, but i assume you may be using egg of flee instead?

[hybrid flare]

hl2 episodes just dont hit the same tbf

breen is such a good character

[toxic vigil]

hunter has like 2% more

[exotic dome]

hl3 is this year trust

[hybrid flare]

Bb pc port before hl3

[exotic dome]

they will release it with the steam machine

[glossy nebula]

The concept art for ep 3 is enough for that

[exotic dome]

peak

[glossy nebula]

I want to find someone to play portal 2 coop with

[sharp slate]

for shamans crest i remove longclaw and use egg ik

when i do my hunters crest run of rs4 i might still keep longclaw tbh

[little fractal]

The wiki doesn't have actual speed values, I'm disappointed

[little fractal]

Surprisingly wanderer has more horizontal range than hunter

[glossy nebula]

That would be deadlocked

[little fractal]

Like, 2 pixels, but yeah

[hybrid flare]

deadlocked 💔

[sharp slate]

yea i guess that would defend keeping the longclaw on then lol

[toxic vigil]

discovered fire

[hybrid flare]

you're not slick

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-went-bad-boy-bad-boy-hoing-bad-boy-celeste-bad-gif-7138872789737091370

[sharp slate]

god now i want to do some rs4 attempts again because we are chatting about it aaaaaaaaa

[hybrid flare]

play bloodborne

bro im itching to play ds3 i need

[glossy nebula]

Same i need to replay it

But so many games rn

[exotic dome]

did you play ds2

[hybrid flare]

no

[glossy nebula]

Yes

[odd hull]

tsc

[hybrid flare]

ill play it later.... one day

[toxic vigil]

actually fuck groal circlet

[tepid birch]

silksong is completely inferior to hollow knight

[hybrid flare]

❌

[formal mural]

me when i lie

[hybrid flare]

sk's the best mv i've played

[rocky jolt]

why is it called silksong when its a game and not a song

[tepid birch]

me when im completely correct in every way

[little fractal]

Ok, hunter has an attack speed of 0.41s
Same as TK actually huh

[glossy nebula]

Silksong is just a different type of metroidvania

[tepid birch]

You should not be able to get kidnapped before gettin g double jump

[sharp slate]

interesting, makese sense tbh

[lament vessel]

Music video..??

[odd hull]

lol

[lament vessel]

Oh metroidvania

[hybrid flare]

MetroidVania

[glossy nebula]

You can get double jump without being kidnaped

[exotic dome]

kidnapping section is cool tho

[solar eagle]

why is it not metrovania

[glossy nebula]

Medtroid

[hybrid flare]

Slab is pretty damn cool but dont read the journal entries

[glossy nebula]

The franchise

[solar eagle]

yeah i know

its from metro+android

[glossy nebula]

Yed

[exotic dome]

androidvania

[hybrid flare]

plaaaaay bloooodborne

[exotic dome]

i havent played any metroid games am i a mv larper

i will

[hybrid flare]

right now

[lament vessel]

It's not applevania because hungry knight ate it

[odd hull]

Yes, you are (me too tbh

[toxic vigil]

wanderer has 0.305 ish

[little fractal]

Oh shoot
Depending on rounding order, max focus hunter with bracelet can do 39 or 40 damage
So fun

[toxic vigil]

its 39

[hybrid flare]

thank thee

[sharp slate]

yea im cracking open silksong, gonna do a shaman rs4 attempt

[hybrid flare]

what are your specs btw i can slide good optimization mods

if your pc cant handle the emulator

[odd hull]

What's that

[exotic dome]

nah it's fine

[sharp slate]

basically hitless all bosses in a row

[exotic dome]

i have 5070ti pc

[odd hull]

Damn, have fun

[hybrid flare]

eat the rich, eat the rich

[exotic dome]

mogs the entirety of anor londo and ringed city btw

[hybrid flare]

truth nuke

I've heard good things about ringed city though

[odd hull]

Anor Londo isn't a high bar

[sharp slate]

if i get hit by any of the act 1 bosses im gonna cry, act 2 is acceptable

[hybrid flare]

wait WHERE is djura

don't tell me you

[little fractal]

0.305? Lol. Where are you getting them?

[exotic dome]

it's complete dogshit except the boss at the end that is peak

[hybrid flare]

fr? damn

i had high hopes

[toxic vigil]

well its around 32-34% faster

[exotic dome]

you will understand me when you get there, it's funny how bad the level design is

[hybrid flare]

Old yharnam is generally a very good area

[little fractal]

Ah well, in practice it's 0.3
Also I'm pretty sure it also runs on 50fps so it can't go lower than two decimals

[toxic vigil]

50? not 60?

[hybrid flare]

i've heard good things about midir too

Similar to bayle

[little fractal]

Nope not 60, at least HK runs on 50 lol

[toxic vigil]

well according to going frame by frame, it can attack 3.3 times per second
which would be around 0.3 somenthing

[hybrid flare]

is ds3 worth it

[exotic dome]

it's fine

better than ds1

[hybrid flare]

not a high bar

[exotic dome]

ds3 level design is mid but bosses make up for it i think. it's an ok game

[hybrid flare]

lwk heard much praise and it seems to be smooth enough

[glossy nebula]

I never tried ds 1 is it like ds 2

[exotic dome]

true

[hybrid flare]

if it smooth, it good

[toxic vigil]

okay these are ez

[glossy nebula]

The fanart in your pfp is cute, can I know the artist

[sharp slate]

skull tyrant is so bullyable its funny

[hybrid flare]

The artist's name is bblauncher and bloodborne GOTY edition pkg file

[toxic vigil]

oh yeah early control

[hybrid flare]

Did you know the beasts of yharnam are likely trying to imitate the bsb?

[exotic dome]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3642752659

[hybrid flare]

old yharnam

[glossy nebula]

Sad only 2 arrworks but they are both cute

[little fractal]

Well 95.12 dps for hunter taking 39 damage
86.66 dps for hunter just taking 0.3s attack cool down
@sharp slate that makes hunter 9.7% better, or wanderer 8.9% worse

[hybrid flare]

I lwk didnt notice the little knight till now

[sharp slate]

interesting, ill gladly take 8.9% loss though xD

though i think doing hunter rs4 wont be too bad

[little fractal]

Yeah, it's negligible

[glossy nebula]

It is why I asked

[little fractal]

Hunter is also just a really good crest in general

The pogo is amazing

[glossy nebula]

Cute matching pfp if done right

[exotic dome]

lol

[little fractal]

Oh shoot I forgot about crits
Hold up

[hybrid flare]

are you playing W the dlc?

[sharp slate]

funny enough thats the reason i didnt use it for my first rs4 (the pogo) replied to wrong message

[exotic dome]

yea i am

[hybrid flare]

dlc's like mandatory for bb

[exotic dome]

i will finish the basegame first

[hybrid flare]

brother

[sharp slate]

i feel like hunters pogo commits me to the pogo, i cant commit lol

[hybrid flare]

it throws you immediately into NG+

[exotic dome]

yea i know, i'll finish dlc before the final boss

[sharp slate]

wanderers gives me some recovery with drifters or wings if i fuck up

[exotic dome]

i heard the dlc bosses are cool

[hybrid flare]

Yeah there aren't any bad bosses tbf

[exotic dome]

classic fromsoft

[glossy nebula]

I have been sleeping on skyrim for so long

[hybrid flare]

the 3 good ones are all top 3 worthy

and it has the best boss oat

[glossy nebula]

Everytime I try playing it I start a new save

[hybrid flare]

The dlc messed up big time with a specific thing which im rlly mad about

[sharp slate]

first roadblock for rs4 trobbio 1

[hybrid flare]

But that's about where its shortcomings end

[glossy nebula]

What is rs 4

And why is trobio a problem

You can skip him with speedrun tricks I remember

[light swan]

is the ze’mer latin

[hybrid flare]

lacelight isnt real

[sharp slate]

hitless all bosses in a row

[sturdy trellis]

whoa rs4 discussion in skdisc

[light swan]

ze’ner is italian/french

[little fractal]

Welp, with crits wanderers have 90.13 dps and with dice this goes to 90.48
Making hunter only 5.1% better, or wanderer 4.9% worse
Damn they're close

[sharp slate]

its spreading ^_^

[sturdy trellis]

[little fractal]

My fault, I'm sorry
Let's talking about R5

[glossy nebula]

Why is trobio a problem

[sharp slate]

he's just a weird boss, the balls are kinda random

[sturdy trellis]

no clue tbh trobbio 1 kinda free

[glossy nebula]

Oh wait r4 is pantheon 4 and s is silksong

[little fractal]

Trobbio was actually never an outlier for me on rs2

[glossy nebula]

Cant they be hit

[sharp slate]

idk i get random hits sometimes for some reason

[sturdy trellis]

ass jim on the other hand

[sharp slate]

ass jim im 100% consistent on xD

though that might be sharpdart talking

[glossy nebula]

Is pantheons in silksong a good thing tho?

[sturdy trellis]

ass jim is consistent if you're not playing stupid lines

unfortunately boss 4 of s2 you will be playing stupid lines

[sharp slate]

its a well made mod imo

[little fractal]

Unnamed
I did some analysis, turns out max hunter with bracelet has 95.12 dps and wanderer with bracelet and dice has 90.48 dps, making them differ by only 5%

[sturdy trellis]

yea i believe that

[hybrid flare]

Dps is not always consistent and hunter has more weight to each hit

[sturdy trellis]

so i imagine off raw sustained dps wanderer probably wins out slightly if you account for extra silk gen

[sharp slate]

MY GOD i almost got hit by first wave of still kin again

[light swan]

how the fuck do people name kingdoms

[sturdy trellis]

but of course hunter being more damage per hit usually makes for better thresholds, and extra safety and an extra red slot iss super real

[sharp slate]

i need a more consistent strat

[little fractal]

Wanderer needs constant dps so talking time to use silk casts punishes wanderer more than hunter

[sturdy trellis]

steal mine?

[sharp slate]

you use nail art?

i cant remeber

[hybrid flare]

Usually they're puns

[little fractal]

Yeah

[hybrid flare]

Hallow-nest Phar-loom

[sturdy trellis]

ye nart and spear to snipe oneshot pretty much everything

[sharp slate]

i could use nail art, but i cant use spear cause sharpdart braindead

[light swan]

Phirst Fein

[sturdy trellis]

i guess dart is a lot more suspicious for that though because if you miss someone's dying and idk if it's the stiltkin

[hybrid flare]

fein

[little fractal]

You should do a tool tier list for hitless symphonies

[light swan]

fein

[sharp slate]

i can actively see how good spear is in this arena compared to sharpdart

[grim forum]

I LOVE THE BEASTLINGS

I JUST KILLED THE BELL EATER AND THEY SO CUTEEE

[hybrid flare]

Serevein

serene-vein

[little fractal]

Just remove them

[grim forum]

What if i steal them from Eira

[sharp slate]

got hit to double moss mothers sobbing

they did the instant summon on the second moss mother for some reason

[hybrid flare]

Serevein and fragmecast

[worldly umbra]

easy

[sturdy trellis]

spear is so good yeah

[tawdry python]

IM back

[sturdy trellis]

i only wish thread storm was a real option

but i really dont know when i'd ever want to run storm when nails is an option

it's just superior in basically any feasible scenario

[exotic dome]

serevein looks cool

[sharp slate]

yea kinda sad

[sturdy trellis]

i tried for 2 seconds then realized that i just have no clue what half of the red tools actually do

[sharp slate]

tbh i dont like using threadstorm anyways because it freezes me in place

[sturdy trellis]

i feel like i cant make massive demands for thread storm buffs either because i think it's just below par in overworld, only a small damage boost needed to make it a massive staple

but in rs4 context it just needs to be such a massive damage payoff for it to even compete with nails

[high sparrow]

They can buff the range for it

[sturdy trellis]

like the extend needs to double damage compared to no extend

[sturdy trellis]

nah i think it being some high risk low range thing is fine

i like that, but the payoff simply is not big enough when you have the .5s downtime 70 damage button in nails

[magic mirage]

Im just going through my hunters journal i have encountered every enemy, i just dont have enough entrys for some. I need one more crustcrag, that wasnt in the coral tower memory right? If so im screwed cos i already beat act 3

[sharp slate]

2 hit, signis jumped into me

[sturdy trellis]

i dont think there's a way to lock yourself out of the full journal achievement?

[magic mirage]

Yeah then it has to be somewhere else

[little fractal]

Oh, Speedrun tech.
So they don't have like, a respectable hp threshold, after they are hurt like, 4 or something hits, the next slam attack will summon
But she has a retaliation mechanic, if you hit her, she will retaliate by dashing, meaning that if you constantly hit her, she can't do the slam as she will only dash, and this is very useful in speedruns
Now, the stagger complicates things as she can decide not to retaliate, iirc there's a way to consistently avoid this but idk how, but by then you can just start destroying her even more

[sharp slate]

yea you cant lock yourself out of the achievement but you can miss two entries

[magic mirage]

Does someone know where to find it then?

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/gSfhiR2j4RV.gif

[sturdy trellis]

is there a place where all of these boss pattern abuses are documented or something

because i feel like intuitively i do just abuse this when i do moss mothers but i cant really articulate it like this

[little fractal]

Ask around, that's how I know most on HK
The speedrunning server could be good since they're the only ones that are actually digging the game rn

[sharp slate]

Noted good to know

[sturdy trellis]

joining more hk servers oh god

[sharp slate]

gotta take a top speedrunner and put their brain in a jar

[little fractal]

For example, I know widow phase 2 can't do the fast dash attack twice in a row, and also she can tell up to 3 times in a row

[sturdy trellis]

good to know tho i will keep this in mind

[sharp slate]

This i did know

[sturdy trellis]

yea again i think i just kinda know most widow patterns from playing the fight a lot but ask me to describe all of these rules and i just could not lol

[hybrid flare]

ty

[sturdy trellis]

widow i could probably say most as well actually

[unkempt minnow]

Hornet yells so much in the reveal trailer

[glossy nebula]

Gorama

[sturdy trellis]

any reason you were labbing hunter vs wanderer btw genio?

[unkempt minnow]

AaAaAAaaEeeaeEAeaeEarR At RRarRRar

[glossy nebula]

I wish hornet can say adeno in the final game

[ocean quarry]

wdym "labbing"

[little fractal]

Because I remember I did some random calculations a whole ago to check if they were close but I wanted actual numbers

[sturdy trellis]

i will use these numbers the next time i need to decide on a crest against a fully stationary enemy with 10k hp

[light swan]

idk how i feel about serevein it feels way too on the nose

im thinking of tranquien

tranquil + vein

and it sounds nice to say

[sharp slate]

i got hit to first sinner accidently did dash attack with shamans

[light swan]

serevein next choice tho

[sharp slate]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If you do a dash attack with shamans you minus well just reset your hitless run

[little fractal]

🔥

[sharp slate]

@sturdy trellis whats harder rs2 or rs3

cant remeber your opinion on it

[sturdy trellis]

genuinely i could see an argument either way

i think if you forced me to pick right now i rs3 but if you disagree i will not argue

it's honestly pretty close

rs3 more consistently difficult

[sharp slate]

crawfather bias /j

[ocean quarry]

what's rs again?

radiant silksong?

[hybrid flare]

idk why tranquil but it doesnt flow as well imo

[sharp slate]

radiant symphonies from pantheon of pharloom mod

basically pantheons

[ocean quarry]

i see

[sharp slate]

rs1 act 1 boses rs2 act 2 ect. rs4 all bosses

[ocean quarry]

ngl that sounds like cancer

[hybrid flare]

What about veinebloom

[ocean quarry]

not just the radiant part

[sturdy trellis]

nah it's great

[short trout]

The second symphony is so annoying imo

[sturdy trellis]

radiant part sure yea that's a pretty niche thing

[ocean quarry]

all act 1 bosses in a boss rush sounds horrible

[sturdy trellis]

but silksong bosses are great

[sharp slate]

besides zango but we dont talk about zango

[ocean quarry]

act 1 bosses are the weakest tho

[sturdy trellis]

genuinely it's a lot better than what p5 has

[short trout]

Lowkey I wish act 3 had some better bosses

[hybrid flare]

lwk i wish act 3 was GOOD

[short trout]

A good chunk of them are pretty bad

[sturdy trellis]

like you have maybe 5 stinkers and then you get to lace 1 and it becomes just a pretty fun time

[sharp slate]

its defintely more fun imo, though parcially may be due to silksongs mechanics being better

[ocean quarry]

*coughs in savage beastfly*

[short trout]

Story wise it's actually peak tho

[sturdy trellis]

beastfly 1 dies in 10 seconds

beastfly 2 is hard sure but you do still have full gear and it's squishy

[hybrid flare]

eeeeeh

[ocean quarry]

you must've gotten to it in like late act 2

[sturdy trellis]

(it's also just not that hard if you know what you're doing but that's another matter)

no i mean in the symphony

[hybrid flare]

the void stuff is kinda random icl

[ocean quarry]

oh right

[sturdy trellis]

in an actual playthrough yeah sure it takes longer

[sharp slate]

what silkskill do you have for beastfly2?

[sturdy trellis]

nails

[ocean quarry]

you'd have access to your full arsenal for symphonies

[sturdy trellis]

it's the shakra segment and you know what my agenda is on that fight

[sharp slate]

fair lol

[ocean quarry]

is shakra part of s2

[sturdy trellis]

ya

[ocean quarry]

nice

[desert compass]

smart skonger found in the wild

[sharp slate]

sharpdart shreads beastfly2 but i kinda wish i had nails for shakra

[opaque sigil]

shreads

[ocean quarry]

what about thread storm

[sturdy trellis]

shaman crest fixes this

[sharp slate]

upside of shaman all these silk skills, downside dash attack means you get hit

[desert compass]

yeah but cross stitch shreads beastfly3 so in general yk

[sturdy trellis]

thread storm is just nails but worse in the context of the symphonies

[ocean quarry]

wait, is voided beastfly in s3?

[sturdy trellis]

i genuinely just cannot conceive a segment where i'd rather have storm than nails

[ocean quarry]

that has to be a hot take

[desert compass]

i cant believe they let pale nails exist and do 5 less damage on the same target compared to silk spear

[ocean quarry]

but sure, i love nails more anyway

[fiery burrow]

striving?

[sturdy trellis]

i mean i know of 1 other guy who has extensively done stuff in symphonies and he agrees so

[sharp slate]

what about rs2 segemant 1

[desert compass]

[sturdy trellis]

not really
in overworld that's another matter, maybe

[light swan]

bloomvein sounds better, i like it too

[short trout]

LET'S GO RADIANT PLASMIFIED ZANGO

[desert compass]

omg its u

[sturdy trellis]

spear is in 2-1 and 2-3, nails in 1-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-1, stitch in the rest

[worldly umbra]

lacelight ??

[light swan]

hi

[desert compass]

hi hhg essayer ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹 ur my goat

[exotic dome]

second try bad boss 👎👎👎👎

[hybrid flare]

true

[worldly umbra]

give me the update

[hybrid flare]

I like BSB

why dont you like BSB

[light swan]

we’re just thinking about kingdom names

current top spot is bloomvein

[hybrid flare]

we gotta think one for the abyss kingdom

[sharp slate]

yea hmmmmmmm

[exotic dome]

it was kinda boring i think, not that it's annoying

[sharp slate]

i love how you are trying to find a use for thread strom but we never consider rune rage

[hybrid flare]

One of the more fun bosses to parry

the third phase does kinda suck

[sharp slate]

rune rage will never be noted for any consideration lmfaqo

[versed pollen]

This is because Rune rage is always useful

[exotic dome]

hmm yea maybe i shouldve tried parrying

[sturdy trellis]

well i never had any emotional attatchment to rune rage

[toxic vigil]

fotf threadstorm

[ocean quarry]

what about millivein

[sturdy trellis]

thread storm, i remember watching silksong trailers and explicitly wanting to use thread storm because it looked cool

and now it's bad so i'm sad

[ocean quarry]

like "a thousand veins"

[sharp slate]

got hit trobbio 2 mis timed my cross stitch aaaaaaaaaaaaa 4 hit run

[hybrid flare]

thread storm is lwk still solid

[worldly umbra]

ok pharloom is far from hallownest (its sequel) and loom is a thing you do with silk
hallownest is hallow and it was a nest for the vessels
try to think of something that shows an important thing of your kingdom, that sets it apart
i would go with
wait whats an important thing that happend in lacelight

[ocean quarry]

did it get nerfed again

[fiery burrow]

I like thread storm and silk spear the most cuz they look the coolest

[hybrid flare]

The vein and the blooms

[sturdy trellis]

i'm referring to a specific context where it just gets outclassed by nails

[opaque sigil]

thread storm isn't bad, it still does solid damage in a good aoe and it can deflect projectiles which makes it a lot safer to use than it seems

[hybrid flare]

stitch mogs

[desert compass]

top 5 debates in skong whilst sorrows we cant sea hasnt been released yet:

“high halls gauntlet hard?”
“Sharpdart or Cross Stitch?”
“Wanderer or Witch for circlet”
“Who is badder karmelita or grandmother silk”
“thread storm needs to be nerfed vs thread storm needs to stop being nerfed”

[sturdy trellis]

it's fine in overworld still, somewhat weak i think but easy to use and it has its place

[worldly umbra]

whats the vein about ?

[fiery burrow]

nails are so lame 😔

[hybrid flare]

Read doc if its written there i dont remember

[exotic dome]

nails are boring

[hybrid flare]

Nails are boring but cracked

[worldly umbra]

i think bloomvein is a good name
but its gotta mean sum

[exotic dome]

silkspear is so fun in hhg

[sturdy trellis]

well nails are boring but they're broken so ya they're in the build

[fiery burrow]

We all know the true debate

[sharp slate]

yea thats fair, i used it alot in my regular playthrough but no use in symphonies sadly

[hybrid flare]

the A and the 3

[sharp slate]

why do i like all the boring stuff 😭

[sturdy trellis]

well i also like using nails

[short trout]

Nails are kinda braindead but I like pairing nails + sharpdart to stack single target damage

[fiery burrow]

The other one...

[sturdy trellis]

i think they're pretty statisfying to hit

[hybrid flare]

there are a few other ones

[sturdy trellis]

but i think they're pretty one dimensional in their use a lot of the time

[ocean quarry]

nails aren't boring they're 🌟 classy 🌟 💅

[sturdy trellis]

press the button enemy dies

[exotic dome]

you added the 4th one

[sturdy trellis]

there's more to it sometimes but often it is just that

[exotic dome]

bro think hes slick

[sharp slate]

thats fair, the preloading damage in some fights just make me so happy

[ocean quarry]

and silk spear/thread storm aren't?

[sharp slate]

i dont know why i like that damage optimization so much lol

[tired depot]

Chat how good is Wanderers crest since I got it a few hours ago?

[desert compass]

ngl the most whimsical player for silksong would be someone who uses volt filament and pollip pouch and and i stand by that

[sharp slate]

they requires you to position, nails doesnt

[exotic dome]

fotf is lowkey fun with shaman

[toxic vigil]

1. yes
2. cstitch most of the time
3. wanderer
4. karmelita
5. its fine as is

[sturdy trellis]

the skills that have a far smaller area of effect and make you stationary for far longer are in fact less one dimensional, yes

[ocean quarry]

i assume you only have hunter and reaper

[exotic dome]

that makes it e tier instead of f

[desert compass]

the whole fandom always has a heated debate on whether or not its the best crest, but tldr its very good

[tired depot]

I also have Beast crest.

[desert compass]

but realistically speaking it depends on ur playstyle

[sturdy trellis]

there's just a lot more stuff you can and have to do to squeeze max value out of storm/spear compared to nails i think

[ocean quarry]

yeah ok it's much better (for a beginner) than any one of those three

[desert compass]

if ur greedy and can handle the short range go for it 🙏

[heady plover]

I just switched from console to PC .. and man... The game is so much easier. I was honestly playing on hard mode. Couldnt get past stage three of that bell home boss where you get the nedolin...

Beat it first try on PC

[exotic cedar]

Wheres the lace age debate wheres the phantom gender debate

[toxic vigil]

pretty good!

[sharp slate]

its solid, early game and late game skill levels, though most of the crests are well balanced

[desert compass]

bro genuinely console is fucked and widow is actually a great skill check

[ocean quarry]

but wanderer's is like, the most balanced

[desert compass]

😭 wait u rite

[tired depot]

I got both Wanderer and Beast on the same day

[sharp slate]

spear cancel strats are so cool, wish i used spear lol

[sturdy trellis]

people will hyperoptimize loadouts and stuff (hell, i'm doing that right now), but in truth, for your first playthrough, whatever you enjoy is just going to be good enough for the most part

[fiery burrow]

-# wanderer is the second worst behind shaman because it has 1 red slot 🤫

[little fractal]

Meh something like this

[desert compass]

nice!! keep exploring dude have fun

[little fractal]

The ones I've not used I just estimated

[toxic vigil]

snare setter? in nothing?

[desert compass]

Fractured mask too?

[heady plover]

I couldn't beat widow no matter what I tried.

No new crest, nothing. I studied it's moveset and everything... But the latency combined with the controller just... Made it impossible

[ocean quarry]

wanderer is at least usable in literally every situation

no other crest can claim that

[little fractal]

Also no technicalities, I just tossed everything in does nothing

[sturdy trellis]

dont force yourself to learn something radically different just for 1 thing

[fiery burrow]

what about hunter tf

[little fractal]

It's not on act 3 and pantheons are act 3
Just like you lose kingsoul for P5

[tired depot]

Bro does not know what you can do with Plasmium Phial

[ocean quarry]

bad for heavy platforming, bad for flea dodge

[little fractal]

I'm willingly not counting that because no technicalities

[toxic vigil]

its still good

[meager jolt]

1. Yes
2. Sharpdart easier to use and works for platforming, too, but Cross Stitch can parry borderline everything, so I guess both, but preferably Sharpdart for me
3. Witch idk
4. I'm gay, but Karmelita sings really pretty and is red (my fav color)
5. Stop nerfing Thread Storm, it's a single player game

[toxic vigil]

this is for rad pantheons?

[desert compass]

not every situation it falls short in needing longclaw for flying enemies and the other crests can handle them very cleanly

[fiery burrow]

Hunter is great for platforming

[sharp slate]

lower cogwork core platforming, i have trauma

[tired depot]

Still broken

[heady plover]

I like both hunter and wanderer. Hunter due to it being specifically hornet .. and wanderer due to the 5 years of playing the base game.

[little fractal]

That should be obvious, it's for hitless

[desert compass]

ah right

[fiery burrow]

More pogo range than wanderers

[little fractal]

This was for @sturdy trellis and @sharp slate

[tired depot]

But anyways, I also just got done with the Wormways

[desert compass]

i would also imagine the hunter pogo directing would have been pain for u

[fiery burrow]

I think I used hunter for flea dodge too

[sturdy trellis]

threefold pin is higher, sniping gauntlet enemies is very real and they're fast (tho ig you run no gauntlets)
dice is weird bc they're only good on wanderer, negative otherwise (slower reset) lol
egg and circlet i think are s?
multi/injector work with beast i think so not nothing (d tier tho lol)
wreath is also something in groal ig

[fiery burrow]

I also suspect hunter was what they designed all platforming around tbh

[sharp slate]

ill need to stare at this for a while for me to register all of it

[desert compass]

im surprised circlet isnt higher

[sharp slate]

@little fractal without context of rs4 this tierlist is really funny (palsma phial
)

[broken seal]

Hunter is not bad for either of these

[desert compass]

yeah being hornet’s main moveset and everything

[ocean quarry]

dice is S tbh

[desert compass]

agreed!!

[sharp slate]

hitless context

[little fractal]

Yeah sorry, no gauntlets
I mean yeah, but the fact they do something decent already puts above all other yellow tools (except belt and bracelet) and maybe contends with anklets. That boosts it a lot

[tired depot]

I'm actually very good with controller. Probably because I also almost got 112% on Hollow Knight...spent 114 hours on that game...

[broken seal]

gnng is NOT cooking with this 😭

[sturdy trellis]

ok but then the grip slander is fake

[fiery burrow]

please buff longpin I loved bypassing enemy shields it was so fun 🥺

[sturdy trellis]

that thing owns so hard in nyleth

[little fractal]

Egg maybe
Circlet I mean yeah, but it's like Flukenest, super high skill and risky
Bind I'm not counting no technicalities

[sturdy trellis]

more ragebait anyone (ash will recognize this)

[little fractal]

Wait yeah true

[ocean quarry]

doesn't bind give you a free witch tentacle blast

[sharp slate]

jsut had longest nyleth fight of my life now i can look at list

[sturdy trellis]

it's yours

well, half yours

[sharp slate]

god i love this list

[little fractal]

But witch sucks so I'm not counting it, otherwise all the technicalities would be in D

[sturdy trellis]

it's so funny

[broken seal]

Snitch Pick and Warding Bell (can be used to iframe attacks in a pinch so doesn't do nothing) and Shell Satchel in "Does nothing" (yes ik it's hitless)

[sturdy trellis]

i've switched up on some of the placements but there's enough real stuff on there to make it effective as bait

[sharp slate]

@sharp slate look at this when i finish run

[ocean quarry]

fair enuff

[tired depot]

Am I the only one here who likes using Pollip Pouch?

[sturdy trellis]

my favorite placement is still skull tyrant tho

[broken seal]

why did you put Curveclaw ABOVE Curvesickle? even without sorting inside of tiers they aren't both A 😭

[sturdy trellis]

what is bro doing up there it's so funny

[sharp slate]

dcant beat the good vibes from skull tyrant

[ocean quarry]

it looks way better thab it actually is

its effect is basically purely visual, it doesn't actually do the damage it promises

[sturdy trellis]

but it's also just true

[broken seal]

it's so ass 💔

[exotic cedar]

Calling it ass would be insult to an ass

[ocean quarry]

it wouldn't be ass if it fucking worked properly

[worldly umbra]

you forgot yunerannneiitiennenn that appeared for 0.5 frames and was only beatable if you hit a specific stickbug in shellwood after you killed sherma in act 1 and then petted all the fleas in act 2 and then appeared if you hit that enemy again and then turned around to hit it

[little fractal]

I just put them together, there is no order

[broken seal]

"Ass is goated" -Alpre (roughly translated)

[broken seal]

Either move Curveclaw to B or Curvesickle to S, prolly the latter

[tired depot]

I use it with Flea Brew....it's actually a good combo... but I will say, there are better tools than Pollip Pouch, but it can be helpful, since it helped me beat Widow

[broken seal]

it FEELS like it "helped"

[little fractal]

I'm not counting warding bell since that's not hitless, same as Baldur shell in HK.
I know semantics but

[ocean quarry]

see, you THINK it helped you, but in reality it probably did 2 damage (and i'm not exaggerating the number)

[tired depot]

When it actually did because THE POISON DAMAGE GOT ME THE LAST HIT

[broken seal]

that doesn't mean it actually helped lol

[ocean quarry]

and that's the only place it did damage, trust me

[tired depot]

I was at one mask.

[little fractal]

Yeah but it can't really be used

[fiery burrow]

pollip pouch haters when you like the color purple

[fiery burrow]

wym

[broken seal]

if you had used a better blue tool (even Druid Eye is better) then maybe you wouldn't have been at 1 mask

[ocean quarry]

can someone tell this guy how pollip pouch ticks work? i'm terrible at explaining it

[ocean quarry]

and this gal

[toxic vigil]

personal take
based on me doing the pantheon of pharloom hall of gods radiant with limiting myself to 1 red slot

[little fractal]

Cutscene is so true

[little fractal]

Fine I'll move curveclaw

[broken seal]

she knows how it works

[toxic vigil]

@little fractal what do you think?

[broken seal]

also change location of Snitch Pick. lowkey an A or S but since it's accounting for all playstyles/skill levels then do A, MAYBE B

[fiery burrow]

Looks like it does +4 damage assuming they had like a few crafting kits

[ocean quarry]

into widow?

i didn't have any crafting kits into widow

[broken seal]

+4 damage per tool use where you didn't use multiple tools consecutively/when Widow doesn't tp off to cancel poison

[fiery burrow]

tps cancel poison that's crazy

[ocean quarry]

OMG TPS CANCEL POISON?!

[fiery burrow]

well that's team cherry's fault for being bad coders not pollip pouch

[ocean quarry]

AHAHAHAHA it's even shittier than i thought

[broken seal]

If they go off screen then the poison ends early (rarely matters)

damage is bad regardless

[ocean quarry]

i mean, if it actually worked properly, it would be S tier

[broken seal]

"off screen" as in teleporting or leaving, like Widow, Phantom, First Sinner, etc.

if you run away and they're outside of your view they still take damage

[fiery burrow]

pollip is still the goat though for early enemy combat ❤️‍🩹

[broken seal]

it's when the enemy disappears and returns (both versions Trobbio are other examples)

[broken seal]

wdym by "properly?"

[little fractal]

Belt egg and conch are so low, also cogfly is insane. Dice also boosts wanderer a bit which is one of the two good crest for hitless. Anklets and grip are actually good at mobility for some specific fights, and since they use a yellow slot that makes them all quite useful.

[ocean quarry]

like if it applied +4 to all tools regardless of consecutivity

[opaque sigil]

it helps you with tool economy in exploration in general

pollip pouch is bad for tool spam

[little fractal]

Actually I don't know what snitch pick does
Could you explain? Lol, I actually confused it with the greed charm when doing the tier list so that's why it's there

[broken seal]

It wouldn't be S tier from that. At max crafting kit it would be +6 damage per tool and would be decent but not S tier

[opaque sigil]

it adds an extra hit to clawline

[fiery burrow]

snitch pick is +25% clawline damage I believe

Which is cool but I don't get the glaze its not THAT cool

[sturdy trellis]

unfortunately clawline is just super niche

[fiery burrow]

B tier maybe

[ocean quarry]

for a hitless symphony context, is there any other viable yellow loadout than dice-grip-anklets-belt anyway

[sturdy trellis]

so it's not exactly great either way

[little fractal]

Ah that's nice ig, but clawline is not good dps to just contend around everything

[broken seal]

It makes it so enemies drop their rosaries when hitting Clawline, but it also adds an extra hit of Clawline that makes Clawline do 25% more damage. Given how strong Clawline is in combat and how much you can spam it, this is very good. (The rosary effect is ass and actually makes farming worse)

[opaque sigil]

clawline is not niche at all

[ocean quarry]

oh wait, there's bracelet

[sharp slate]

clawlinei s niche in terms of hitless imo

[sturdy trellis]

clawline is a crutch to bail you out of bad positioning in most cases

[broken seal]

for hitless sure

[sharp slate]

in general i see clawline having more use

but i still dont think its amazing

[little fractal]

Clawline circlet is good, but that risks a lot of damage

[sharp slate]

i think good positioning can make up for clawline in most instances

[sturdy trellis]

which is something that has plenty of use for normal combat but if you spend time learning bosses it's super whatever

[sharp slate]

and in others im running sharpdart for movement + damage

[broken seal]

for advanced combat (especially with Sawtooth Circlet, which is amazing) you use Clawline A LOT, and the extra damage adds up well

[little fractal]

Bracelet

[ocean quarry]

ok to be fair it would compete heavily with plasmium phial

[sturdy trellis]

anklets

[toxic vigil]

conch cutter is not that good

[toxic vigil]

23 curvesickle

[sturdy trellis]

idk about like super s tier for conch but it is super good

[heady plover]

I have an off brand samsung controller from Craigslist with Nintendos style and latency.

I played hk on PC and also 112%ed it. The controller, and also my skill with controller were 100% at fault.

[sturdy trellis]

actual instakill on groal

[heady plover]

On PC, it's wonderful and I love it. On Console?

Good luck lmao

[toxic vigil]

also HOW is egg low
its literally 4th highest

[ocean quarry]

egg of flealia moment

[fiery burrow]

Clawline is just a sprint attack in the air tbh

[tired depot]

I play on Playstation

[toxic vigil]

if anything longclaw should be A and egg is still 4th

[ocean quarry]

OOF

[tired depot]

What?

[heady plover]

I have a solid 10 hours of silk song on PC.

I played in VR initially

[broken seal]

i'd assume in a context where it was +6 damage per tool that multihits from a single tool use would only add +6 damage. It would make Pollip much better and make certain tools do MUCH higher damage, but wouldn't be S tier unless i'm overlooking something.

[ocean quarry]

nintendo latency on a ps sucks bro

i feel for ya

[toxic vigil]

s pin + 144 dmg total

[heady plover]

The latency didn't help considering I was streaming to the vr headset, and had a controller that already had latency.

[little fractal]

Oh nevermind
I just saw that in third tier but didn't realize first was S++ tier
Also I forgot about the steel soul exclusive thing

[heady plover]

Solid 4 seconds of input lag

[tired depot]

My latency actually doesn't suck

[toxic vigil]

yeah satchel is great

[tired depot]

But anyways I'm gonna go

See yall

[ocean quarry]

sigh, why is satchel exclusive to steel soul

[toxic vigil]

also i just moved dice and anklets 👍

[broken seal]

i realize that having 24 straight pins that each do 23 damage (17 base + 6 from Pollip) allows for you to do 552 damage with JUST the straight pin

[sturdy trellis]

grip in bottom tier is fake, nyleth exists and it owns there

[heady plover]

Also, I've already modded the absolute hell out of my game. Mainly qol stuff... And Fred.

A lumafly that follows you for the entire game. That's it. That's Fred.

[ocean quarry]

tf you mean "can't" for wreath? what about groal

[toxic vigil]

what does it do

[broken seal]

your argument is that it makes a single boss marginally easier (it's better to just pogo/clawline anyway)

[ocean quarry]

it doesn't do nothing

[toxic vigil]

okay wtf does it do

[sturdy trellis]

dodging the small yellow spits is so much easier with grip

[ocean quarry]

maybe it should be in D tier

[sturdy trellis]

and that is not marginal

[short trout]

Okay I have no idea how I could cut down more time

[sturdy trellis]

maybe make a seperate "1-2 boss niche" tier or sth

[broken seal]

Neither does Warding Bell. It allows you to tank an attack by binding (removes damage) and does damage back to the enemy

[ocean quarry]

uh wait, does the muck not exist in the symphony fights?

[toxic vigil]

It does but like wtf does it do

[toxic vigil]

WHO is using warding bell parry

[broken seal]

Easier, but not at all required or the best way to go about dealing with that. Also, it's ONE boss.

[ocean quarry]

grip in "can't" tier
blasphemy

[broken seal]

nobody but if the dude is arguing that Wreath shouldn't be in "CAN'T" because it technically has a use against 1 boss then you would have to remove several other tools from "CAN'T" as well and at that point you're just going off of technicalities

[sturdy trellis]

wdym not the best way to go about that why do you want to slide down the wall when the spit is there

[sharp slate]

i think its more then marginal imo, obviously its gonna impact different players at different rates

[sturdy trellis]

like sure it's niche but it is very real

[ocean quarry]

grip is definitely way better than fucking pollip pouch

[light swan]

bloomvein sounds like it could be a regular area like shellwood or brightvein or greymoor @hybrid flare not a kingdom

[broken seal]

Hold into the wall, press jump and immediately dash. You can do this repeatedly while gaining/losing almost 0 height while also not extending off of the wall.

[ocean quarry]

bro brightvein is in dark souls

[broken seal]

Not better but Ascendents grip is not required, just a little bit easier

[light swan]

have some friends who really like tranquien or veinquil

[little fractal]

Fine, final version

[sturdy trellis]

all tools are there to make fights easier thats the point

[ocean quarry]

yeah that's a lot of concentration spent for so many inputs

[broken seal]

When swimming in Muckwater it protets you from getting infested (same with attacks but you're hitless so that doesn't matter). All it would do for Hitless is allow you to touch the muckwater in the Groal fight without getting infested

[little fractal]

That's a lot of mechanical pressure for one yellow slot that could be used for like... Anklets

[light swan]

and silksong

[little fractal]

Yellow tools benefit a lot from a lack of competition, let's not forget that

[broken seal]

You hold one direction and press the same two buttons repeatedly 😭

[fiery burrow]

what's the best crest for r5

[ocean quarry]

hardy har

[broken seal]

You can do this instead of ascendents grip, not with it

[ocean quarry]

yes, that's a lot of concentration for a fast-paced boss

[wind mulch]

talking about silksong in the big May

[little fractal]

Yeah, you can do that to save one yellow slot

[toxic vigil]

Or just weighted belt
Remember, 3 max slots, 2 are bracelet satchel

[ocean quarry]

what should we talk about? tomodachi life?

[broken seal]

💀 gang what it's literally just Nyleth and you do it for like 2 seconds and then you jump away from the wall to attack her

[wind mulch]

architect surely

[sharp slate]

Hitless tool tierlist

[little fractal]

4 if you're using wanderer also

[wind mulch]

Halo

[toxic vigil]

Dice dps buff

[sharp slate]

the spit attack to be fair is the hardest attack to dodge

[sturdy trellis]

wanderer is just +-0 tho bc it's the only one to use dicve

[fiery burrow]

tf|2

[sharp slate]

probably the one im hit by the most

[toxic vigil]

How is satchel below belt

[little fractal]

It's 4.4% you can bring grip for the bosses that really like it

[sharp slate]

belt is so good for my playstyle, i use wanderer

[broken seal]

calling Dice a dps buff for Wanderer is like calling Pollip pouch a dps buff for literally anything. like yeah it is but barely

[little fractal]

Belt is insane for wanderer

[toxic vigil]

Yellow vs blue

[ocean quarry]

tbh dice does more damage than pollip

[sturdy trellis]

belt just owns overall

[broken seal]

the buff to Wanderer is negligible to the point of it not mattering. The buff it gives to Flintslate is more impactful.

[ocean quarry]

oh absolutely

[toxic vigil]

Dice don't even give more fslate dps

Unless you mean fslate polip

[ocean quarry]

i mean, it kinda does

it can activate burns more often

[toxic vigil]

It goes from 3 or 4 to 2-5

[broken seal]

While flintslate is active, it has a chance to do a "lucky hit" that will set the enemy on fire and give them a burn tick. Dice makes these "lucky hits" more likely to happen by a decent amount

[sharp slate]

wait what dice effects flintslate?

[ocean quarry]

mm-hmm

[broken seal]

^ @sharp slate

[short trout]

Honest opinion what do yall think of weavelight

[sharp slate]

i never knew that, neat

[broken seal]

i like it lol

very nice for platforming and allows you to spam Clawline in Combat even if your Clawline doesn't connect, making it better for closing gaps even when the enemy isn't hit

[ocean quarry]

it's ass until you get the final silk heart

and then it suddenly becomes one of the most useful tools out there

[cosmic widget]

It's great for platforming imo, especially on Mount Fay if you miss a jump and you can recover quicker

[toxic vigil]

I know.
It does nothing

[sharp slate]

useful for platform, bad for anything else

[toxic vigil]

Very niche filler shaman tool

[broken seal]

the "always being able to have 4 silk available for a silk skill" is pretty niche because you still have to wait quite a lot of time to get that and in that time you'll be able to get AT LEAST one needle hit to get that silk faster

[toxic vigil]

AMAZING for platforming though

[ocean quarry]

will you tho

[sharp slate]

i think i rather have egg tbh even if i aint doing hitless

[toxic vigil]

Well
Egg volt is implied

[broken seal]

unless you're wandering around and there are big gaps in hitting enemies, then yeah probably

[sharp slate]

then its egg volt sawtooth right?

[toxic vigil]

So you can get circlet in 3rd

[short trout]

First half of the take is good second half of the take is bad

[broken seal]

Shaman wants Egg Volt and Sawtooth, Weavelight is a nerf but still fun to use

[short trout]

Fair enough

[broken seal]

for platforming Weavelight is REALLY nice regardless of how many silk hearts you have

[ocean quarry]

something like lola or khann won't let you safely hit them for extended periods of time

and "spamming" weavelight pale nails is really nice during those windows

[grim forum]

The abyss escape lowk wasnt that hard but i was sweating like I was actually there

[toxic vigil]

I think egg of flealia is competing for the 3rd blue in no hits
To the poing where if you can't use circlet ( boss too short ) or use a lot of silk skills, its a great choice

[grim forum]

Poingggg

[cosmic widget]

Having that extra bit of silk be generated before a fight can also be useful since it is one less hit on the enemy or boss that has to be done in order to get a full bar, but it usually takes too long to recharge during the fight since you'll be hitting the bosses and enemies anyway

[broken seal]

Fair, but you get more value from Egg, Volt, and Sawtooth. Egg still gives more value even if you only get a small amount of spells off before getting hit

[ocean quarry]

in a no-hit context, egg has to be straight up better

[rare nest]

I DID IT! I BEAT LOST LACE!!!!

YESSSSS

[cosmic widget]

Congrats! It's such a great final boss

[broken seal]

oh absolutely, i was talking about in general. But for no hit Egg is MUCH better

[humble surge]

maybe cross stitch for explosion

[short trout]

Yea this is the most annoying thing about it

[rare nest]

Thank you 😭 It took my like 34 tries. The amount of times I had to run back to the citadel to grind shell shards was crazy

[odd hull]

Congratss

[grim forum]

So peak u had to take a pic and make it ur pfp lol

[rare nest]

Yes lol

[cosmic widget]

Lesson learned with buying a bunch of shell shard bundles on a future playthrough

[rare nest]

Yeah I had 800 shards and 20 back up shell shard packs and I had 9 shell shards at the end

[hybrid flare]

tranquein sounds like a drug

[ocean quarry]

architect main?

[cosmic widget]

Wow 😭

[humble surge]

@light swan bro drop your sentinel stuff

i wanna see

[ocean quarry]

only architect burns through shell shards that hard

[short trout]

Yea but how many extra silk skills is that gonna squeeze out? Literally 0, except for being able to get to that 1 silk skill in 1 nail hit less and then it's back to not giving any value

[rare nest]

Nah I'm a reaper main but I tried out architect crest and that is what won me the fight. I overdosed on plasmium and then brought cogfly and voltvessel.

[ocean quarry]

checks out

[rare nest]

But I didn't spam tools actually, I used the charge attack

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1500903178244329682/1502815202595438602/2026-05-09_16-28-47.mp4?ex=6a01bdf9&is=6a006c79&hm=b9bfc61e942f2bc2dd7c4034d8184a05dd946b81838f7d6671107cb14c262e9b&

this isn’t really a clear representation of what it is currently but it’s the most recent video i have

i also havent implemented phase changes or phase 3

i care much less about spectacle or making it different i just want it to be fun

[short trout]

You gonna 100% the game?

[ocean quarry]

then how'd you burn through 2391 shell shards in only 34 tries

[rare nest]

Plasmium vial takes a lot and I messed up a bit also when I say spam I mean craft more mid fight and use them all up

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1502358152790671370/2026-05-07_01-23-16_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6a020e90&is=6a00bd10&hm=6017be731c02ba6210730c5fad1a2d945060b4fda06a2fdd1c8fdf94070eaabf&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1502339754417590434/2026-05-07_21-11-57.mov?ex=6a01fd6d&is=6a00abed&hm=49ebd27ae4ede2f81bc14ebd46931be26fcb4ec84c0a33cebac1cf676d96e45d&
i have these from a bit before

[humble surge]

that looks pretty cool actually

[rare nest]

I used up all my tools sure but I didn't solely rely on them I used my needle for 70% of the fight

[light swan]

there’s a hunter bideo but i don’t want to flood this chat witj slightly outdated videos

[short trout]

I mean no one is gonna stop you

[light swan]

im stopping myself

[short trout]

And I don't think anyone would mind

[rare nest]

Yeah for sure I'm 89% complete

[short trout]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-sigma-alpha-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-sigma-lion-gif-13957304746104521882

[humble surge]

have you had trouble with the rising slash catch hitbox? like it teleports hornet on the other side?

[ocean quarry]

i mind

i'm a massive party pooper

[short trout]

I misread massive for passive and I started wondering what a passive party pooper is

[ocean quarry]

don't we have a zote toilet emoji

i could have sworn there was one

[short trout]

Idk

[light swan]

yea, nothing we can do about that thats just how multihit-lingering-hitboxes work (like lace’s attacks or karmelita’s spin or trobbio tornado)

[humble surge]

i got a snippet that should fix it if you want wait

[light swan]

im an architect modder idk if you can do this stuff on architect

[ocean quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123010737862873120/1499172910093303848/caption.gif

[humble surge]

oh i have no idea then

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1500903178244329682/1502568016079093790/2026-05-08_23-59-37.mp4?ex=6a022943&is=6a00d7c3&hm=4a8c42cf32b99b776a9ef4e257625aa45ca035bdb61a20b3e91b9885233b38dd&

[lean pendant]

Sidequest Idea: If it is raining outside your house, go in the backyard in your birthday suit and take a shower with bodywash, shampoo, and everything. If it is not raining outside your house, then go suggest someone else to try this sidequest when it does rain.

[ocean quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123010737862873120/1499172910093303848/caption.gif

[light swan]

why do people act like im trying to be tough im genuinely stopping myself out of respect for others where’s the problem