sk-discussion

[ancient mortar]

https://youtu.be/py-eu1KipNw?si=tFcdVU-P2TJUOHqB

[wind mulch]

isnt Donald Trump a feature on the subnautica soundtrack

[north ore]

Did yall know the same person who made most (if not all) Subnautica music also made a song called Anime Tiddies

[exotic dome]

the certain boss song in the certain french j-rpg game

[slender juniper]

I actually don't like Subnautica ost that much ,Simon Litteraly ruined his whole Career because of tweets and then used AI for his album cover

[unkempt minnow]

And unstoppable force is celebration music

[fiery burrow]

Yeah the composer is a chud

But the songs are good

[ancient mortar]

What the hell happened

[north ore]

Wait fr? I 5hougjt it was just a joke

[exotic dome]

oh i remember that

[unkempt minnow]

Oh what the fuck

[north ore]

Oh

Ew

[opaque sigil]

the guy sucks but like the ost is still solid

[unkempt minnow]

Yeah

[wind mulch]

which is the track that has donald trump saying china in it

[slender juniper]

Simon Chylinsky was fired and replaced with Ben Prunty for BZ and Subnautica 2 , because he was "uncomfortable to work with"...and also racist transphobic tweets

[exotic dome]

what did the subnatuica composer do

[unkempt minnow]

Then theres the man himself, hakita

[fiery burrow]

sparse reef

[hybrid flare]

Mio has one good ost doe

[exotic dome]

oh

[wind mulch]

such a random choice

[exotic dome]

mio ost is fine

my expectations were low honestly

[hybrid flare]

Nabuu's theme though 🤤

[north ore]

I know you probably had good intentions but this feels like when someone points out a certain Austrian man's paintings are good

[fiery burrow]

shoutout to songs that sample random bs

[unkempt minnow]

Get c418 to work on hollow knight: steelsong

[exotic dome]

where you came to die is peak

[fiery burrow]

https://bullofheavendc.bandcamp.com/album/290-two-legged-tigers-and-crocodiles

[hybrid flare]

This is why you like bull of heaven

yep i was absolutely right

[pulsar oxide]

I wasn't able to find a specific time for hk or any of it's dlc's releases, so my best guess for SoS is 10 A.M. EST bc that's the same time as the game release, and the only "pattern" I have to base my guess off of

[fiery burrow]

[unkempt minnow]

Tf is the bull of heaven

[wind mulch]

im not sure those can be compared bro

[north ore]

Frfrfr

I can't remember the name but there's a Linkin Park that samples some music from a James Bond movie in reverse

[opaque sigil]

except it's literally nothing like that lol

[unkempt minnow]

I know theres so many references to it in 8-1

[wind mulch]

his paintings were ass anyway

[unkempt minnow]

And its an album

[opaque sigil]

least unhinged silksong fan

[wind mulch]

genuinely

[north ore]

"[Bad person] was bad but at least their art is good"

[unkempt minnow]

Huh

[exotic dome]

hk fans are not beating the allegations

[opaque sigil]

weirdo

[north ore]

Idk maybe I'm high

[ancient mortar]

Did someone just equate the subnautica composer to hitler

[unkempt minnow]

His paintings were mid asf

[heady iron]

You can't separate art from the artist, some of y'all taught me that

[slender juniper]

I'm fucking crine

[opaque sigil]

yes and compared me to a hitler defender for saying the ost was still good lol

[north ore]

Not every idea is a good one

Ill take this L

[unkempt minnow]

Lets switch topics the mods are watching

[north ore]

I did no such thing

I just compared your statement to another

Even saying you probably had good intentions

Sorry if it came off that way

[ancient mortar]

Good lord

[slender juniper]

Most of the time you can ,unless the art is a self reflection

[heady iron]

Hey I'm not the one who said it first

[steady sage]

🤨

[opaque sigil]

you literally did

[slender juniper]

Hitlers art isn't even a self reflection, you can say it's good

[unkempt minnow]

Lets stop dude

[exotic dome]

what game has the best ost

[north ore]

Sorry if it came off that way

Wasn't my intention at all

[unkempt minnow]

😭

[fiery burrow]

Bull of Heaven made music focused on like experimental, drone and ambient stuff, usually very long
Hakita is really big on them and actually releases music under the name "Piranesi" which is similar stylistically
Minotaur's theme "Bull of Hell" is also named after them

This is a good track to start with if you're interested https://bullofheavendc.bandcamp.com/album/029-lions-on-a-banner

Piranesi/Hakita's music https://piranesiproject.bandcamp.com/album/087-a-sea-of-upturned-faces-loser-electronics

[exotic dome]

like overall

[slender juniper]

He was an architect I think

[unkempt minnow]

Ultrakill

[wind mulch]

he had a really poor grasp on perspective

[opaque sigil]

oh fuck off yes it was

[wind mulch]

no wonder the mf didkt get into art school

[heady iron]

You heard em man you don't know yourself

[slender juniper]

Probably why he didn't get accepted

[north ore]

Genuinely wasn't

[unkempt minnow]

I only saw one painting and id agree with the art school they are bland

[exotic dome]

can we stop talking about hitlers art skills

[unkempt minnow]

Yes

[wind mulch]

boooooriiiiing

[unkempt minnow]

Thats what im asking for

[heady iron]

He would've been accepted if he drew anthros

[wind mulch]

truth nuke

[slender juniper]

"I'm the hero " type shit track

[slender juniper]

https://youtu.be/hFYTL3mTsdo?is=8nQCJGWw2Qt2W4bp

[north ore]

Let's talk about the it

[unkempt minnow]

It is fun

[steady sage]

tell ya what, my fault for not paying attention to this place for a while but man this place feels more unhinged than before :/

[heady iron]

https://youtu.be/CaTRF6tJqa8

[unkempt minnow]

Moai

[slender juniper]

Anyways Subnautica 2 in 10 days

[unkempt minnow]

Pizza tower ost is underrated

W unknown worlds

[north ore]

What's a gloomsac

[heady iron]

Idk but it seems scary

[exotic dome]

subnautica 2 has multi i hope they didn't mess up the fear factor

[north ore]

Gloomy even

[heady iron]

Do I almost f

[exotic dome]

i wanna almost feel fear

[opaque sigil]

I mean that was never really an explicit part of their design

it's not a horror game it's just a setting that is naturally scary

[north ore]

What would the other 2 cyclops crew members even do

[exotic dome]

true horror factor just makes the setting better

[slender juniper]

It's a single player focused game you can just choose not to

[opaque sigil]

the thing to worry more about is early access jank than multiplayer in that regard anyhow

[wind mulch]

i think the reason i didnt like below zero is because it wasnt as scary

[exotic dome]

ngl im waiting to hop on with my friend

[opaque sigil]

I've seen sea dragon leviathans clip through too much random bullshit to ever be scared of them

[slender juniper]

Nothing because the cyclops doesn't exist there

[wind mulch]

first game was so tense

[exotic dome]

below zero sucks

[opaque sigil]

I think this is just your tolerance increasing

[hybrid flare]

Tel aviv vs citadel who wins

[wind mulch]

potentially

[heady iron]

I tried playing subnautica in steamvr once

[ancient mortar]

Bro what

[slender juniper]

Not really,BZ is a full priced spin off it had a tough development

[exotic dome]

i remember in below zero you were way slower because they made a smaller map

[slender juniper]

BZ wouldn't have taken that long to develop if covid didn't happen

[wind mulch]

idk just nothing comes close to reapers for me

even when i return to the original theyre still scary

[opaque sigil]

do you think it's a coincidence that this is probably the first hostile leviathan you met

[wind mulch]

no no genuinely theyre different

its the noise they make and how theyre in such low visibility areas

if sea dragon was the first or something it wouldnt be the same

[fiery burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuKPtCEIxrM

[slender juniper]

The collector leviathan is scary...also this

[opaque sigil]

well sea dragon is broken as fuck

[wind mulch]

ghosts as well

[slender juniper]

Whatever the fuck that js

[fiery burrow]

Ghost mogs every leviathan based on the screams

[wind mulch]

theyre too visible

[exotic dome]

you dont expect to see the reaper leviathan when you are focused on exploring aurora

[wind mulch]

and they dont look as menacing

i dont think its bias i think reapers lowk just are by far the scariest theyve designed

[fiery burrow]

this just zant ngl

[slender juniper]

The squid is cool

[fiery burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyf630TUfAc

why does he do this

[slender juniper]

Why not

[opaque sigil]

panache

[fiery burrow]

TP has so much aura

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ganondorf-twilight-princess-tp-zelda-legend-of-zelda-gif-15069640219731335711

[fiery burrow]

Dial the bloom up and add that one shade of yellow

[high sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/blasphemous-2-waking-up-awaken-gif-14674206193613920582

[opaque sigil]

ok but like tp is one of the only games that did the yellow washed aesthetic super well

bc it's not just arbitrary to look gritty or wtv

[high sparrow]

Man i miss playing blastphemous 2 on the ps5

[fiery burrow]

yeah its awesome

[wind mulch]

the flipping crash fish were scarier than ghosts

[fiery burrow]

idk why they look like that but the sages went hard

[high sparrow]

Has anyone here played blastphemous?

[ancient mortar]

A long while ago

[fiery burrow]

By some divine prank, he, too, had been blessed with the chosen power of the gods 🗣️

[short trout]

Managed to cut down my time from 50s to less than 30s

[high sparrow]

I finished the sequel,ill be honest it was fucking great

[vivid tangle]

Why did we start talking about Subnautica ;-;

[mystic phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-him-apart-cat-plushie-cat-plushie-ripped-cat-plushie-torn-cat-plush-gif-7806327935438284426

[wind mulch]

why not

[high sparrow]

I loved the ost and the locations

[vivid tangle]

Fair enough

Honestly I'm playing it as I was reading it

[high sparrow]

Especialy sea of ink

The ruins

[dusk quail]

why are they

[slender juniper]

Yes I'm playing 2 rn

[exotic dome]

i have

[slender juniper]

And found multiple skips in typical speedruner fashion

[high sparrow]

What part are you at?

[high sparrow]

I played both of them

[dusk quail]

they could not fathom the horrors of the stock market

[slender juniper]

I already beat the game I'm replaying,going for 5th dove

[slender juniper]

Look at these

[high sparrow]

I didnt know you can use the ability for the verdicto for more distance..also grab more veils bro damm 💔

Also i love that location one of my fav ones

[slender juniper]

What veils

[high sparrow]

Glass shards bro

[slender juniper]

I'm already at fifth dove so

[high sparrow]

Also why do you not have double jump?

Oh nvm you do

I kinda thougth you didnt had it

But yeah

I forgot how good the blastphemous art style is

[slender juniper]

The blades of aura farming

[high sparrow]

Nah bro the real blade of aura farming is the ruego al alba

That sword is literally better than the twin blades

[slender juniper]

Nah ruego doesn't have silver cross spam and lightning

[high sparrow]

Yeah but twin blade doesnt do a lot of damage

[royal condor]

Why all the memes are saying sea of sorrow tomorrow ?

[narrow bramble]

Its

[opaque sigil]

because they think it's funny to lie

[vale whale]

it's a joke tammo

[royal condor]

Bruh i thought team cherry announced smth that i missed

[torpid kiln]

It’s a meme lifted from deltarune fandom during the long pause in both games release

[vale whale]

the goat bring him back for sos

[torpid kiln]

Shitcrab my beloved ❤️

[opaque sigil]

if something isn't in #hk-announcements it's not true

[fiery burrow]

which was lifted from the OG silksong wait

[vale whale]

i would rather have duskbloods or elden ring tarnished edition than sos or deltarune chapter 5

[tired oyster]

not a shit clam smh it's a shit whelk

[fiery burrow]

which was probably lifted from somewwhere else

[torpid kiln]

Oh I thought it was the other way around

[fiery burrow]

duskbloods looks so peak

[opaque sigil]

pvpve

[torpid kiln]

I disengaged from the Silksong hype around year four or five

With the sole exception of daily Silksong news, of course

[fiery burrow]

well I only saw deltarune memes very close to c3 and 4 release idk it could've been from there

[tired oyster]

have there been more details about duskbloods lately? i'm kinda turned off from it by it being pvpve unfortunately but i would like to try it at some point

[fiery burrow]

if its funny its funny

[opaque sigil]

I might pick it up regardless but still

[icy pollen]

I lost the game

[onyx python]

i lost the game

[fiery burrow]

don't tell me ts won't be peak intentionally or unintentionally

[atomic sparrow]

its a nintendo switch 2 exclusive right? when is it even coming out

[opaque sigil]

2026

[fiery burrow]

hoping its a timed exclusive

[onyx python]

atp reaching a big streak is impossible

[atomic sparrow]

timed exclusive as in it'll release to other places later?

[fiery burrow]

but a nintendo switch 2 is probably gonna be needed eventually anyhow

[fiery burrow]

Yeah

[atomic sparrow]

I mean theres always bloodborne which is still a ps4 exclusive after what

10 years? can't be

[atomic sparrow]

😭 hell naw!

[onyx python]

untill someone makes a bloodborne remake

they're gonna do it trust

[fiery burrow]

Bloodborne movie 😍

[odd hull]

surely...

[fiery burrow]

Will probably be better than the actual game

Unless they show jacksepticeye farming blood vials or whatever

[atomic sparrow]

hes not starring in it right?

or do we not know enough

[fiery burrow]

after markiplier made peak?

[heady iron]

he'll be micolash

[atomic sparrow]

wait

isn't the bloodborne movie animated?

so he can't be in it like a live action

[odd hull]

I would rather have elden ring remake than duskbloods.

[fiery burrow]

oh is it

[mystic phoenix]

godmaster dlc when

[fiery burrow]

That's kinda cool

[atomic sparrow]

I believe thats what he said

[hybrid flare]

Remakes are lwk cancers

[narrow bramble]

When hornet stops being racist

[atomic sparrow]

so never?

😔

[odd hull]

Aw

[hybrid flare]

i hope they don't bro

[vale whale]

remaake😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[mystic phoenix]

i just need godmaster dlc i cant live without it

[hybrid flare]

A remaster would suffice

[vale whale]

it came out like 6 years ago qnd it's still one of the most renowned games to ever exist

[onyx python]

i hope they do so that everyone pirates it and makes sony lose 1 gazillion dollars

[fiery burrow]

the art direction kinda peak ngl

[narrow bramble]

Pharloom pantheon mod exists i guess

[odd hull]

What is it

[vale whale]

im maining john duskbloods hes my fav characternim his #1 fan

[mystic phoenix]

i need vanilla

[ornate perch]

2028 at least

[vale whale]

the duskbloods

[odd hull]

Damn, expect something cooler

[narrow bramble]

There will be 2 dlcs this year

[vale whale]

people who are unhappy about switch 2 duskbloods genuinely just dont want fromsoft to succeed

[onyx python]

when are they gonna add boundless ininity in silksong

[hybrid flare]

thats duskbloods?

doesnt look that promising ngl

[mystic phoenix]

im not even sure if sos is coming this year

[ornate perch]

Steel City and SoS

[fiery burrow]

its fromslop so don't get your hopes up

[tired oyster]

new secondary project from fromsoftware

[vale whale]

and it's peak

i should start doing a countdown thing

but then i would uave to do one for tarnished edition

[hybrid flare]

Usually the art direction in fromslop games is good idk why they made it look like genshin impact

[fiery burrow]

But its visually good

[vale whale]

im so excited for both

[narrow bramble]

Why is ur tag deltarune chapter 17

[vale whale]

they didn't😭😭 watch the trailer

[tired oyster]

it's channel 17

[hybrid flare]

im js hating

[narrow bramble]

Ah ok

[vale whale]

i like duskbloods' direction personally

the arenas will be different points in time iirc

so lots of potential for experimentation with future games

[fiery burrow]

scifi arena 🗣️

[atomic sparrow]

I mean given how much tc has already made for whats presumably going to be in sos, I think sos 2026 is most definitely going to happen

[tired oyster]

this reminds me of some shit that would be in a yoko taro game

now i want a new yoko taro game again

[atomic sparrow]

me and who

[onyx python]

silksong fans spending the entire year to develop a theory about a dlc just for it to be wrong and they finish the dlc in 20 minutes

[odd hull]

Same

[vale whale]

tin man is peak

me and my frienf are already going to run duos

[fiery burrow]

This all I know about yoko taro and its funny asf

[opaque sigil]

this shit is hilarious

[vale whale]

is he the nier guy

[tired oyster]

nier and drakengard yeah

[vale whale]

hes working on the new evangelion anime

[tired oyster]

yeah i'm aware

really interested to see how that turns out

[vale whale]

true

[tired oyster]

normally very pessimistic about any new evangelion stuff but yoko taro might actually have the sauce for it

[vale whale]

i never watche dthe rebuilds

[tired oyster]

drakengard is a very funny series because i can't recommend it to anyone on account of the games being kind of fucking terrible

incredibly miserable games to play but the story and characters are genuinely one of a kind

and the gameplay is (debatably) bad on purpose to fit the thematics of both games

[vale whale]

the only good evangelion media is the anime
anima is like those tiktok videos where it's like " young sheldon light novel characters ranked in power 10. pastor jeff, enemy of sin 9. missy cooper transcended time and space 1. time traveller sheldon "

[tired oyster]

i say "both" when drakengard is a trilogy because yoko taro didn't write the second game and it's essentially not part of the DrakenNieR continuity because of that

[high sparrow]

I hate when people say that the hk characters are bug sized..even tho in the games theres literally squids and fishes

[atomic sparrow]

I mean we don't have any confirmed frame of reference so we can't really say for sure how big they really are

[tired oyster]

i mean they ARE bug sized for their own world but it's pretty clear that the world of hollow knight is its own thing and most likely not a "the entire game takes place in an anthill on human earth" situation

[trim estuary]

DLC is already finished, they cut it a month from release and will now gradually dripfeed the community with “free DLC” until the actual paid DLC is ready

[high sparrow]

Tbh if we were going lore accurate,they probably be human sized..cause lets be honest here i feel like it make sense

[tired oyster]

i mean it's all a matter of relativity

[opaque sigil]

the only existing scale is tc calling them tiny at some point

[tired oyster]

for them i think yeah the average bug is human sized in that we perceive that we perceive other humans as the size of the average human, but any hollow knight character still could be like a small little 1 inch being next to a real world human

[trim estuary]

microscopic even

[high sparrow]

Proof?

[atomic sparrow]

if we're going lore accurate I'd say they're pretty small, cuz that makes sense to me

[fiery burrow]

I would pay 20 bucks for city of steel

[opaque sigil]

also while they aren't literally the things conceptually it's why the swords are called nails and pins and shit

[tired oyster]

yea

[atomic sparrow]

but what if its shit tho

[opaque sigil]

I'm not gonna go through every interview to find them explicitly saying that the characters in the bug game are tiny

[high sparrow]

But isnt that just the artstyle?

[opaque sigil]

engage with the concept of the setting

[fiery burrow]

Only if they cut sharpe

[opaque sigil]

they're bugs

[trim estuary]

What if they cut Sharpe’s nose off

[fiery burrow]

Its void it'll grow back

[high sparrow]

Well no because then it basicly just be like bug fables,which in that game the bugs are literally bug sized cause they think humans are giant

[opaque sigil]

if humans were in hk they'd think that too

[fiery burrow]

I greatly enjoy the idea that the bugs are to scale with The Knight plushie

[high sparrow]

So then how do you explain the squids in the game then?

[opaque sigil]

literally don't exist

[fiery burrow]

bro has sea of sorrow early

[tired oyster]

what

[atomic sparrow]

also yeah what was that squid and birds thing about

[opaque sigil]

but hk has a totally incoherent internal scale it doesn't adhere to relative sizes of real animals

[tired oyster]

^^^^

[high sparrow]

You know in the first games theres this one area where theres sea animals

[heady iron]

squids in the game?

[slender juniper]

Ik going to post it

I'm going to post the Sharpe 007 image

[tired oyster]

no real-world logic can be applied to hollow knight's world

[fiery burrow]

When they're slandering your goat but they're lowk right

[tired oyster]

they are called bugs, yes, but they do not strictly adhere to our definition of what that is

[fiery burrow]

I'm fully coninced he's gonna be the toughest and tuffest fight in the game though

[atomic sparrow]

Sharpe?

[high sparrow]

Yeah and thats the issue,like some of the bugs dont even look like bugs

[golden crater]

what?

[fiery burrow]

Anything else will result in a negative review assuming I don't leave one earlier if they cut Lomm

[golden crater]

the blue lake?

[tired oyster]

yes because they don't need to

[atomic sparrow]

is that really an issue??

[trim estuary]

do you mean the jellyfish

[golden crater]

ohh you must be talking about the fog canyon

[high sparrow]

Yeah those guys

[golden crater]

those are jellyfish

[tired oyster]

that's not an issue it's called the game taking place in a fantasy setting

[atomic sparrow]

theres also magical dream gods in hk

[trim estuary]

do you not have magical dream gods visit you at night

[heady iron]

those exist in real life too

[atomic sparrow]

unfortunately not

[opaque sigil]

I chased those off ages ago

[trim estuary]

missing out

[high sparrow]

So yeah trying to compare real life bugs to a bunch of fantasy bugs just wouldnt work

[tired oyster]

something unfathomably massive that is only visible against the black void in that it blots out the stars does come to me and speaks to me through the aether every night so i think we do have those actually

[heady iron]

but mossbag made a whole video on the real life bugs they were based off of

mossbag is never wrong

[high sparrow]

Heres my idea..the hk characters are actually aliens

[atomic sparrow]

I mean theres no point in using the squids and birds as you call them either because theres no measurement given to us
they could be all giant for all we know

[fiery burrow]

I lost respect for mossbag when he called phantom a she

How could he do that

[tired oyster]

by our definition yeah they would be because the game takes place in a non-earth fantasy setting

[fiery burrow]

What's next calling THK a he?

[slate wagon]

thk is a she ofc

[tired oyster]

but also for all intents and purposes you need to understand humans and earth straight up do not exist in that world

[slate wagon]

ever heard mylas song

[fiery burrow]

TRUE

[tired oyster]

the definition of "bug" in hollow knight's world is its own thing entirely

[fiery burrow]

Why did I ever get that graig quote when I could've just been using Myla's song

[opaque sigil]

twitter drama over this was crazy

[opaque sigil]

actually so true

[tired oyster]

twitter users will argue with you over literally anything

[heady iron]

no we won't

[atomic sparrow]

there was twitter drama over this 😭 ? lmao

[heady iron]

shut up

[fiery burrow]

so you think Tammo is a twitter user?

[atomic sparrow]

ig its twitter so it makes sense

[trim estuary]

was there twitter drama

it’s so freeing not interacting with twitter

[fiery burrow]

I saw like 3 tweets

[exotic dome]

they tried to cancel mossbag iirc

[atomic sparrow]

psh

[heady iron]

I use drama free sites like bluesky instead

[tired oyster]

they'll also lunge directly at your throat from the outset, the amount of times i've had someone open an argument in my replies on that website by IMMEDIATELY calling me a slur is fucking nuts

[atomic sparrow]

type of shit Hornet would do against the slabflies

[fiery burrow]

How are there woke people on twitter

[trim estuary]

slurs are ankles. Your home address is the throat

[fiery burrow]

They should've all gone to bluesky or something now

[slate wagon]

start throwing out ults from the start and you win every argument

[high sparrow]

Honestly i like to think that the hk characters were studying the humans and how they worked with a giant comicle telescope and they were like "hmm...wow..we need to make that in our home"

[tired oyster]

bluesky has kinda cemented itself as the platform for moderate liberals that don't actually believe in anything i fear so most of the far-left folks are still on twitter

[heady iron]

they saw capitalism and were like "we need to put that in pharloom"

[slender juniper]

Capitalism is sick

[atomic sparrow]

weavers saw slavery and thought oh thats a great idea!

[terse heart]

I mean it only hurts the slaves and their families if you think abou tit

[broken seal]

Weavers saw the American Revolution and thought "that's a great idea!" and then they saw the Jim Crow Laws and thought "that's a great idea!"

[heady iron]

jim craw

[high sparrow]

The bug saw a bunch of needles on google image and were like "this shit goes hard,im making this a blade!"

[frozen shoal]

They had basically human zoos for craws in the memorium so it makes sense

[north ore]

861 rosa and I haven't even gotten to deep docks yet

The peakness is off the charts

[stable salmon]

shellwood is soo pretty

[high sparrow]

What are you doing with that much rosaries

[terse heart]

IT'S bros first day playing songsilk

[north ore]

Buying stuff later on

Duh

[heady iron]

shellwood has a nice ost

one of the better area themes imo

[frozen shoal]

but watch out for the creepy root demon.

[north ore]

Shellwood is everything good abt Bilewater without everything Bilewater abt Bilewater

[high sparrow]

Lost Verdania ost would like to have a word with you

[stable salmon]

yesa

[high sparrow]

Who the hell is that?

[heady iron]

I didn't realize I couldn't like 2 osts at once

[narrow bramble]

Bilewater abt bilewater from bilewater that is a good bilewater that has a ruler

[terse heart]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdjIxdTFjenV1c3FhYnR1azBiN2M1ZDZ0bG96MmVoZ2xrZDBtYWoyNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/aCTGiodVEWV1zrjXTX/giphy.gif

[stable salmon]

Mr escargot

[high sparrow]

Listen i have played hk okay...but i have never heard of mr escargot

[dusk quail]

cut character

[frozen shoal]

you have met his daughter her name is nuu. canon and proved from many sources

[sharp iron]

Why gms loves lace that much even after betreyal

When the whole point she wanted someone loyal...

[high sparrow]

What am i now just learning about this?

[dusk quail]

she grew attached to her child

[stable salmon]

he appears only after u dream nail 16 specfiic rocks in a specific order all around the map

[frozen shoal]

False.

[dusk quail]

fake fan

[sharp iron]

Well to this point it feel werid cuz the lore

[dusk quail]

well she's litterally her first perfect daughter

so yk

[stable salmon]

this is what they want you to think... but it's the dark truth...

[sharp iron]

I guess that

[high sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-false-knight-team-cherry-hallownest-3d-sculpting-gif-25403979

[dusk quail]

SilkGPT, is this real

[frozen shoal]

reasons it's false 1 it doesn't make sense. 2. there is no evidence for beilecing it. 3: even if i try doing it it won't happen 4: it will be proved it is wrong

[dusk quail]

for someone who likes memes, you sure are serious

[silk pumice]

anyone want to watch me do ascended karmelita as base hornet

[dusk quail]

Glorious

[stable salmon]

u can see Mr escargot 🐌 has a chimney and windows because he acts as an equivalent to bellhome but the little ghost doesn't really do much in there

[golden crater]

why so serious?

[orchid spruce]

maternal instinct and all that jazz

[dusk quail]

Mr E gotta have the craziest ass character lore out of all the npcs tbh

[dusk quail]

my paternal instincts tell me to throw my unborn children into the abyss

lowk opposites

[golden crater]

the part where he sacrificed himself to kill the plasmified savage beastfly was peak cinema

i actually cried

[dusk quail]

i still go to therapy to this day

[fiery burrow]

I do not really believe twitter is much different in that regard

[stable salmon]

imagine if hollow knight 3 was just one diagonal climb up from somewhere to the surface and once u get there there's giant bunnies and lizards and grass as tall as trees

[golden crater]

that would be the equivalent of ''it was all a dream!'' imo

[high sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pale-king-asgore-hollow-knight-deltarune-if-the-pale-king-was-asgore-gif-4452692207905292366

[dusk quail]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-hollow-knight-pale-king-gif-6733817197264733939

[golden crater]

that would suck

[orchid spruce]

a more serious answer would be maybe wanting to be a mother is baked into GM Silk's nature. Pale beings/higher beings alike tend to have some innate desire, like Pale King's desire to build an everlasting kingdom

[stable salmon]

well in hk the npcs refrene the place "on the surface" so it's real

[golden crater]

and the white lady's desire to constantly fuck

[orchid spruce]

and... that

[golden crater]

we already see the surface

[stable salmon]

hornet would looooove bunnies🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇

[dusk quail]

dawg this servers changed so much since i joined i woulda gotten muted for this lol

[golden crater]

its a wasteland

[dusk quail]

i think hornet would relate to their big unruly ears

[stable salmon]

HEHEHEHEHEE

[orchid spruce]

[dusk quail]

CARROTNA

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-garama-guarana-gif-11792020015736795535

[stable salmon]

OH MY GOD PFP MATERIAL

[dusk quail]

someone get me a dragonfruit hollow knight character

[north ore]

bound the secret Joestar technique for the 1,000,000,000,000th time

[stable salmon]

well considering it's a bug world, maybe it's just some dump in a puddle somewhere in mountains and u could take a really long trek and find a meadow and rarely there are giant hooves that stomp around and u have to avoid them and also maybe frogs u have to dash to get away from when they stick out there tongues

[tight viper]

This death was complete fucking bullshit

[sharp iron]

||Also since the knight is confirmed to be the shade lord n only 1 cannon ending in hollow knight I am pretty sure the shade lord can control only a part of the void cuz if he could fully control the void I think some stuff would been another way||

[stable salmon]

I haven't finished silksong yet but ik u can go to surface so I may be speculating nothing

[orchid spruce]

?

[dusk quail]

ok but if it was really at the scale of insects then hornet and the knight shoulda drowned because surface tension or smth

[orchid spruce]

oh

[stable salmon]

:o atp idk

[high sparrow]

Well the verse takes place in the wastelands

[north ore]

I didnt realise shaman could levitate indefinitely

[stable salmon]

Pablo will be set in an anthill on the sidewalk of some town

[high sparrow]

So we cant really be sure how it was like before it got turn into a wasteland

[tight viper]

Shaman pogo is busted

[dusk quail]

oh yeah also the bridge in bonebottom was built because pilgrims would fall and die, and they wouldnt have been damaged by the fall at all if it was at an insect scale

[frozen shoal]

All the vertebrates and others are dead and the world takes place in their skeletons

[exotic cedar]

Noooo

[frozen shoal]

So many scary skeletons in the world that you can see if you look

[dusk quail]

it could easily just be the remains of bugs rather than lizards and mammals

[north ore]

what if hornet is primarily bug type but her 2nd type, and ability, change based on her crest

[frozen shoal]

do hollow knight bugs have skeletons i don't think they do but idk

[north ore]

theyre bugs. they have exo skeletons

[stable salmon]

no they just have like shells and exoskeleton

[terse heart]

what does this mean

[stable salmon]

imagine if u could pass a giant trilobite fossilor smt

I have. a trilobite fossil irl :D

[dusk quail]

ok well if we're gonna go into insect biology then we should consider how karmalita's heart looks nothing like a real life insect heart

[stable salmon]

the colloseum of fools is in a giant shell of a dead insect that died long ago so giant fossils could exist anywhere because it's set in caves and underground

[dusk quail]

insect hearts are long

[vale whale]

212 btw

[stable salmon]

ig insect anatomy is too unfamiliar for most people so they just give the bugs human like qualities

[trim estuary]

Both Radiance defeat endings are confirmed; Silksong takes place after both DNM and ETV

[frozen shoal]

you're right broadly it's not accurate at all

[dusk quail]

true ending spoilers ||confirmed how? the ending shows TK as the shade lord||

[frozen shoal]

still i don't think we ever see bugs witj anything other than exo skeletons in the game

[vale whale]

personally i like etv as the ending more because shade lord but it IS ambiguous

[trim estuary]

It also shows the Siblings. It’s from Hornet’s POV as she’s about to pass out, neither are actually there

[vale whale]

dnm is a better ending narratively but shade lord is hype moment and aura

[trim estuary]

All we know is that TK saved Hornet

Probably

[dusk quail]

||what you think the siblings stop existing once TK reaches shade lord form??||

[vale whale]

would hornet really have that vivid an image of the shade lord? i think they just flash it for ambiguity

[slate wagon]

||it shows a flash of SL then TK back in their normal form
it’s not like they are actually SL in that moment it seems to be more like a vision||

[vale whale]

make you wonder what ending happened

[frozen shoal]

yes exactly it's ambiguous on purpose to make us all debate on which is the real one like we are now

[dusk quail]

brooding mawlek's body fragments have ribs

[trim estuary]

I don’t think that. The Siblings just show up for one frame and vanish once we’re back in third person, same with Shade Lord. It’s more symbolic since the Siblings are basically the icon of DNM

[vale whale]

personally i like etv as canon because the shade lord feels like the true climax of the knight's story

[dusk quail]

||or all the siblings combine to be the shade lord||

[vale whale]

they become the literal god of the all consuming force that trumps anything to ever exist

[atomic sparrow]

I mean it also shows them as void given form i.e. the form they take on after dnm so whats that about

[vale whale]

it feels so good

[vale whale]

ambiguity

[frozen shoal]

Wtf they do

[slate wagon]

that’s not how SL is formed though
the whole absrad fight makes a point of how there are no siblings rising with you?

[atomic sparrow]

right

[trim estuary]

You say that but wyd when the Shade Lord is captured by the City of Steel

[vale whale]

i think about this alot

[atomic sparrow]

we go to the City of Steel duh

and then we bust em out

[vale whale]

the other day i was silkposting on here about act 14 and the final boss was the shade lord as tortured knight in the steel city

[slate wagon]

city of steel is third game material ong

[vale whale]

genuinely

anyone who says steel city will be a dlc is an idiot

[trim estuary]

Lost Knight boss fight 🧽

[dusk quail]

maybe theyre already part of the void in the abs rad fight and thyere just waiting for TK to come join

plus yk, theyre void not like theyre physical beings
they can likely merge

[vale whale]

they enslave gods and control the void

how is hornet beating that

[atomic sparrow]

plot

[vale whale]

she struggled to beat void lace

[terse heart]

gng how do I make a copy of a save file

[atomic sparrow]

well people can beat it hitless surely Hornet can too

[vale whale]

personally i think thk is the contractor for the steel city

[slate wagon]

i mean sure, but i feel that would be more implied
it’s a pretty noticeable change to have the siblings be in the normal fight and missing in Absrad
and it doesn’t really make sense imo for the answer to just be “oh they combined with the void in the first place” why didn’t they do that in the normal fight

[dusk quail]

they could switch forms

i mean look when they shade dash, they switch from vessel to shade form

[stable salmon]

go to %appdata% and locallow and find team cherry and ur save files will be in one of the folders with a .dat there's a bunch though, so just copy them all. that's what I do

[vale whale]

idk as soon as she isnt in any form of active combat or whatever after the fight she gets extremely tired and passes out

[dusk quail]

in the normal fight they do tho, once you deal the finishing blow (in shade form) all the shades just dissapear, including TK and HK

[slate wagon]

i’m talking about them rising with you

[dusk quail]

ah

[slate wagon]

not the end
the endings are widely different

[vale whale]

after she uses the gms silk to silk soar through the void she immediately gets tired

i interpret that as " okay i just have to keep flying up oh i'm so tired i'm gonna die oh well snoooorrreeee "

[dusk quail]

i mean at the same time it could also be that they werent part of the void in the God Home ending at all, but that still doesnt rule out how they could just merge with the shade lord

[terse heart]

okay but what if
listen up because this might be important
i'm playing through cogfly
and not on steam but through the xbox app

[atomic sparrow]

whats stopping me from just saying that the ending is dnm and the knight just chose to look like the void given focus (i.e. the form they take on in etv)

[dusk quail]

how would the knight even know what void given focus would look like

[vale whale]

that would be stupid the reason is it's ambiguous on purpose to mess with our brain

nobody is right because tc is evil

[slate wagon]

yuh i get you
but the godhome ending implies SL is the product of void itself and TK, not TK and it’s siblings

[stable salmon]

should all still be there

if not then, idk :(

[slate wagon]

it’s itself
even without godhome, all godseekers does is bring out a creatures potential
TK could still become shade lord without them theoretically

[vale whale]

i dont think the knight can fight ancient champions of legend in the void

[dusk quail]

its a product of TK's control over the void being given focus by the Godseekers (whom btw can just focus something into a stronger form, examples: PV, Abs Rad, Sisters of battle, and litterally all ascended and radiant fights)

[dusk quail]

how would TK do that without the Godseekers' focus

like they could achieve that form thru focus and then leave godhome

[vale whale]

the only reason the knight awakens is because their potential is drawn out by fighting genuine super gods

[slate wagon]

PV and Absrad are previous forms, they attune to a bugs strongest form, PV existed before and Absrad is Rad with all her power
they can draw it out yes, but there is nothing stopping TK from reaching thst later in life

[vale whale]

in the void you can't spawn nightmare king grimm and pure vessel and absrad to train against

[halcyon socket]

hi

[slate wagon]

focus just boosts

[vale whale]

what life theyre in the void in dnm they return to the abyss with the famalam

[sharp iron]

both radiance? Normal radience and absolute? How come so the knight doesn't become a shade lord

[orchid spruce]

void is fragmented consciousness. void given focus means they united into one single stream of consciousness but tk only united a small part of the void

[slate wagon]

what

[dusk quail]

yeah thats what im saying, TK got their boost which is how they got to SL form

[vale whale]

the physical knight goes kaboom in dnm they return to the abyss as a shade how are they going to fight anybody????

do you want them to float out of the abyss and use their invisible void dream nail on the godseeker

[dusk quail]

no, thats not what it is, void given focus is void given form (The Knight and its control over the void) being given ascending focus by the Godseekers

[vale whale]

they have NO WAY to awaken their potential in dnm

[heavy magnet]

i wonder if they do still have the dreamnail

[orchid spruce]

meaningless word salad

[heavy magnet]

did they keep it? throw it away somewhere?

[vale whale]

the shade lord is shown to fuck with our minds

[vale whale]

probably got blown up with everything else

[heavy magnet]

that'd be sad

[vale whale]

grimmchild and weaversong watching the humongous blast of void approach

[heavy magnet]

you can actually spot grimmchild noping out, which is funny

[vale whale]

wait WHAT

WHAT????

[dusk quail]

"yeah nah im not paid enough for ts"

[slate wagon]

fighting is not a requirement what makes you think that

[heavy magnet]

yep, he uses his despawn animation to escape at the last second

[vale whale]

I BEAT THE GAME ON DNM LIKE 5 TIMES WHEN

[vale whale]

they awaken their potential by fighting the super mega gods

[slate wagon]

godseekes use combat themselves to attune to creatures higher and higher than themselves
TK does not become SL because it was fighting shit

[dusk quail]

TK had to fight thru all of P5 to achieve SL form, why couldnt they do that after just fighting abs rad in the hall of gods

[slate wagon]

the awaken their potential because godseeker turns their focus to them

not because they are fighting

[heavy magnet]

yea, they got that godseeker juice

[orchid spruce]

more like remove grimmchild to not ruin the ending cutscene but thats a really funny interpretation

[atomic sparrow]

I mean I'd have to make an assumption for that to work
but thats goes both ways for each ending
we have to make an assumption as to why certain scenes happen in sotv, and depending on what those assumptions are you get either dnm or etv, thats why its ambigious we're not sure for certain which ending it is

[vale whale]

yeah that

[terse heart]

okay so like uhm what do i do

[slate wagon]

godseeker literally tells them they still aren’t shit after fighting hall of gods absrad

[turbid solar]

God is it really asked too much to give me a bench at the start of act 3??? I am SO mad! SECOND time I died cause I only get 2 hits before death

[slate wagon]

there is no reason for them to focus on them cause in their own words Tk is jst “fighting a copy”

[dusk quail]

no, she tells them its impressive, and to fight abs rad at the peak of p5

[heavy magnet]

this is cheating but - you can quit and reload and you'll be full health

[slate wagon]

and she still does not focus on them
the entire thing is godseekes focus is what makes creatures stronger

that’s why, idk how to explain better
it’s not a fighting thing

[vale whale]

the knight making their void strong enough to become the shade lord and then focusing it all while

sitting in the abyss

[turbid solar]

Should not be required to do that, man... I am honestly so mad... 10 hours for NOTHING!

[stable salmon]

go into default folder. they're there

I just copy all the files in there

[heavy magnet]

Godseeker mentions at the start of P5 that she's going to start paying attention to TK
its only at the very end that they finally transform though

[slate wagon]

they cna become a shade still, and again it’s not a combat thing
with enough focus TK should be able to control more good thst is it

it’s not some anime training montage

[stable salmon]

my cogfly recently had been annoying reverting my saves so I've learnt to keep everything fixed and all the files have been in the default folder

[terse heart]

so like since my steel soul is the third save file, do I save user3?

[heavy magnet]

I did it, and I regret nothing
you only have one life
irl is the true steel soul mode

[slate wagon]

when her focus is at its peak

[stable salmon]

yeah

[dusk quail]

it is highkey a godseeker thing like theyre the only dudes who can do it

[vale whale]

they gain the extra strength through combat, the godseeker focuses that strength and it gives the void a will

[stable salmon]

each save file is numbered with "user" I'm p surea

[slate wagon]

they are the only ones who can do it in the blink of an eye yes

i am saying over time TK could

[dusk quail]

who else would TK encounter in the void

[slate wagon]

iwneoeple

it doesn’t need to
god am i talking to brick walls

[vale whale]

the knight summoning pure vessel nkg and literally every boss in the game + enhanced versions to get strong against

[terse heart]

wait, I have a question, okay so like when I go into the save files, it shows "OncePerSave" and "SaveData" but there is nothing in the SaveData folder 👀

[slate wagon]

learn what a keyboard smash is

[dusk quail]

WE'RE THE ONES TALKING TO A BRICK WALL, TK LITTERALLY COULD NOT ACHIEVE THE FORM WITHOUT GODSEEKERS

[orchid spruce]

learning how to edit savefile ruined steel soul for me because i keep restoring the lost steel soul saves lol

[slate wagon]

i am saying it absolutely could with time

[orchid spruce]

[vale whale]

how else would it get stronger😭😭😭 it gets attunement by fighting the mega ultra super gods

[dusk quail]

litterally how it is not shown anywhere

Hornet had like all of eternity to become GMS but didnt

[vale whale]

youre just making shit up so youre mot wrong

[slate wagon]

all the godseekes do is bring out a creatures potential
potential is something thst is already there tf

given time SL could spawn idk whats so hard to understand

[stable salmon]

oof well atp I don't know what to say, sorry

[vale whale]

" uh uh well the knight can focus it themself even thoiygh it is never stated or even implied anybody else can do that "

[dusk quail]

so PV is pure according to your definition of potential???

[slate wagon]

i could misrepresent your argument too, and we could sit here all day dude

[vale whale]

" well uh the knight can attune uh somehow uh because i font know the game never says that but uh i wsnt to be correct "

[dusk quail]

it only brings out the strongest possible version

[slate wagon]

PV is not literally pure cause of a name dude

[terse heart]

so if I save it, and reload it, what will happen?

[turbid solar]

Without the QoL mod this would be absolutely unplayable... Not even letting me keep tools in the vesticrests is just so mean...
I am just really need to come to terms with losing yet another run in the same spot...
I guess if I have to play unfair, I'll do it.

[slate wagon]

that’s just a bad faith argument

[vale whale]

how else will the knight attune

[dusk quail]

it's litterally called Pure by the Godseekers

[orchid spruce]

godhome lore is buns anyways

[turbid solar]

Never had to use save and quit strats in HK... This is an insult.

[orchid spruce]

did you play the game no vessel is pure

[vale whale]

i give up man you win genuinely just basing a whole argument on baseless assumptions

[dusk quail]

did you read my fucking argument

[vale whale]

i'm going to bed

[broken seal]

Quit out and go back in immediately and you'll wake up at full hp. Ignore the people who call it cheating, cuz that's stupid.

[orchid spruce]

[slate wagon]

she calls it pure in reference to it’s infection riddled body
she is not talking about purity on the vessel void sense

[sharp slate]

Yea act 3 start for steel soul is bullshit

[tight viper]

The only truly hollow vessel is Zote

[dusk quail]

what is this even supposed to mean??? pure litterally contradicts being infected

[slate wagon]

ight bro if that’s how you wanna debate

[turbid solar]

Would be so so fine if they let me keep fractured mask

[slate wagon]

yes…
she is calling PV pure in comparison to THK

are you guys ok
is reading comprehension still a thing

[exotic cedar]

Loreslop in my silksong discussion....

[dusk quail]

ok would THK have been able to become pure with time like you imply????

[slate wagon]

it’s a past form

[tight viper]

PV is the pure version of the Hollow Knight, it’s pure of the infection, it’s in its prime

[sharp slate]

Im not gonna judge people for doing it, but it isnt in the spirit of steel soul, that being said act 3 start is designed like dogshit for steel soul

[orchid spruce]

beware us hk fans cant read

[broken seal]

idk what ya'll are yapping abt

[fiery burrow]

What are y'all talking about

[dusk quail]

litterally not as it has been tarnished before it even got to its adult state

[tight viper]

Markoth

[slate wagon]

tf are you talking about
godseeker brings out a creatures potential, the highest form they can be
that was PV for THK

[fiery burrow]

3 abyss shrieks

[slate wagon]

what are you talking about

[exotic cedar]

Now this is what i can talk about 😼

[slate wagon]

PV is not literally pure

[fiery burrow]

pure vessel is just its name man

[slate wagon]

it’s still a past form a THk godseeker literally tells us this

[atomic sparrow]

well yeah that's the thing we have to make assumptions to narrow down an ending thats why its ambigious
lets say its dnm, then why does vgfocus flash on screen, I have to make an assumption
lets say its etv, then why does the knight appear as vgform? Id have to make an assumption about that

[fiery burrow]

Godseeker says that PV is THK's past glory

[orchid spruce]

Markoth is not that bad in normal playthrough

[tight viper]

THK was never truly Hollow, likewise PV is not truly Hollow

[fiery burrow]

Oh is this true ending slop

[slate wagon]

yes

[tight viper]

Pale King just refused to accept that

[turbid solar]

Why are we talking HK lore in the SK channel

[broken seal]

[atomic sparrow]

yep

[slate wagon]

ive been suffering star save me

[fiery burrow]

Its Sealed Siblings

[young flint]

Is there a good way to get rosaries to buy the terminal in the cauldron, I forgot to bring rosaries before entering and now i'm stuck. I'm in steel soul and dont overtly want to traverse underworks, and also dont want to grind the enemies who drop almost no rosaries

[jade hedge]

Because that’s what we do

[atomic sparrow]

W STAR

[slate wagon]

cause this channel needs a makeover

[tight viper]

He believed it was because he had no idea what he was talking about, he was just absolutely terrified of his kingdom’s fate

[terse heart]

gng just got wanderes crest with ts

[broken seal]

you can get wanderers crest before bell beast lmfao

[orchid spruce]

Escape underworks

[terse heart]

exactly

[broken seal]

or before silkspear

[orchid spruce]

[young flint]

dang

[fiery burrow]

Anyway Shade Lord and the Siblings both show up in hallucinations and are clear allusions to both endings the intent is pretty clearly for both to be viable possibilities

[jade hedge]

Nah there isn’t really a good roasary place in underworks u gotta leave to get more

[dusk quail]

so youre telling me that its birth being surrounded by 4 million of its siblings corpses, witnessing a sibling falling into the void to be sealed away forever, and having father son time before reaching adult hood didnt affect it??? because its pure form woulda been before it exited its egg

[fiery burrow]

Pure Vessel isn't pure either that's just its name

[slate wagon]

it’s not literally pure

[broken seal]

they're not saying PV is Pute

[fiery burrow]

Its literally the title PK gives the vessel

[slate wagon]

idk how many times i’m gonna have to say this

[opaque sigil]

no the unreliable imagery is because all of silksong is a hallucination from the sealed siblings ending it's also why so much content is recycled

[lean pendant]

Fun Fact: If Minecraft tool crafting recipes were scaled to real world weight, a wooden sword would weigh about 515 pounds.

[orchid spruce]

[atomic sparrow]

nine sols solos silksong!!!!!!!

[tight viper]

What are you even saying at this point

Of course THK was affected by all this

[terse heart]

gng is there a way to get into shellwood early in steel soul

[broken seal]

Senris has stated MULTIPLE times throughout this convo that PV isn't pure and they aren't implying or arguing that

[tight viper]

Because it was never truly hollow

[fiery burrow]

Also THK was always impure it didn't become impure through external circumstances

[dusk quail]

dude my point is, that THK woulda NEVER reached its Pure Form without Godseeker Focus, which Senris is saying should be able to be reached with simple time

[broken seal]

you can after swift step

[fiery burrow]

Its THK's past glory Godseeker says as much

[orchid spruce]

[slate wagon]

it’s pure form is a past form
it existed without the focus because all godseeker does is bring a creatures strongest form

[turbid solar]

I am gonna go to bed and deal with the next few stages of grief over my steel soul run... And start another one tomorrow. But I'll never forget this.

[sturdy breach]

||Im working on a Truex2 100% checklist. Including Norm 100%, all Mementos, Purple Quill, Saveable NPCs, etc. etc.
The list is generally split by norm 100%, then true 100% with all the obvious extras like mementos, then true true 100% with things like the quill.
My question is, should Encrusted Heart in place of Conjoined Heart be True 100% or Truex2? logic being, it feels more like an easter egg than something "meant" to do.||

[dusk quail]

not really

[slate wagon]

and anyways, that’s not at all the same as TK becoming shade lord
you are looking at a past version and wondering why it’s not the same

[opaque sigil]

Though its worldly body be bound and defiled, the glory of its pure form endures, ruler of this pantheon.

[fiery burrow]

son

[orchid spruce]

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans can't read

[dusk quail]

its real life pure form woulda been BEFORE they were born

[atomic sparrow]

distant cousin 😭

[turbid solar]

grok what does this say

[slate wagon]

bro
pure is not literal here

[fiery burrow]

Pure Vessel is not pure that's just its name because PK thought it to be pure

[slate wagon]

are you genuinely reading the convo
or not

[opaque sigil]

it's pure as in not bound and defiled

[dusk quail]

can you ping me with replies then, litterally picking a needle outta haystack

[broken seal]

they aren't saying that

[dusk quail]

im not saying theyre saying that

[orchid spruce]

[dusk quail]

Not you

[slate wagon]

i can yes, but i mentioned it like 20 times

[broken seal]

then why tf are you bringing it up over and over when nobody is talking about that

[dusk quail]

Because i have to bring it up when we're talking about Godseeker focus?????????????

[atomic sparrow]

Yi > Hornet any day w nine sols glory to red candle games

[orchid spruce]

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/no-correlation-gif-1271746605347850530

[slate wagon]

godseekers focus works by attunting to a creatures strongest form, whether that be a past form, a future form, or somewhere in between (sheo paint bs)

[fiery burrow]

Godseeker focus uplifts the strength of the gods in PV's case that literally means restoring it to a past (but not pure) form

[opaque sigil]

I mean sheo might just be able to do that now

[dusk quail]

which future form are we talking about here

[slate wagon]

if i say shade lord will u be upset

[fiery burrow]

Remember when we fought Hornet in Godhome and she said "I remain a daughter of hallownest" and started spamming sharpdart

[broken seal]

was so peak

[dusk quail]

yes because SL is describes as VOID GIVEN FOCUS, THE FUTURE IS INTERTWINED WITH THE GODSEEKERS

[heady iron]

It all makes me appreciate godhome's story all the more

[fiery burrow]

ETV so beautiful after Act 3 🥹 ❤️‍🩹 🌹

[opaque sigil]

act 3 isn't as bad as etv but it is bad for longer

[terse heart]

bro why is bell beast so much harder with wanderers crest

[fiery burrow]

ETV can be compartmentalized at least

[orchid spruce]

godhome is a really nice way to canonize boss refight mode

[jade hedge]

Because of the short range I think

That would prob be it

[fiery burrow]

Silksong just doesn't have a true ending if you compartmentalize Act 3

[terse heart]

I'm so not used to it

[atomic sparrow]

I mean if you equip sharp shadow and shade dash the knight looks kinda like vgfocus maybe they just based it off of that if its dnm

[slate wagon]

looks more like a void tendril to me

[exotic dome]

i can forgive etv because its part of a boss rush mode

[fiery burrow]

its a bad boss rush 💔

[dusk quail]

its supposed to look like void tendrils, SL has 4 sets of eyes

[jade hedge]

What’s vg focus

[dusk quail]

shade lord

[fiery burrow]

Shade Lord has as many eyes as Elderbug has legs

[jade hedge]

Oh

[orchid spruce]

so true

[exotic dome]

whats missing for a boss rush

[dusk quail]

lowk elderbug reminds me of zylotol and idk how to describe it

[heady iron]

Real ones still refer to it by void given mind

[fiery burrow]

More stuff should've been missing

Why do I need to fight False Knight and then Failed Champion

Also why is Brooding Mawlek in the same pantheon as NKG PV and AbsRad

[broken seal]

both are completely free

[exotic dome]

oh yeah p5 is slop

[opaque sigil]

'but then you aren't fighting all the bosses' like p5 doesn't skip ml and nosk

[jade hedge]

Because it’s every single boss in the game

[exotic dome]

hall of gods is fine

[dusk quail]

its cuz youre like ascending from lower beings to Gods idk

[fiery burrow]

Beautiful

[slate wagon]

p5 skips nosk?

[fiery burrow]

Yes

[dusk quail]

yeah, og nosk

i like to think of it like nosk getting bitter that Godseekers forgot them

[exotic dome]

weird

[fiery burrow]

Bizarre cuz its basically a completely different boss from Winged Nosk

[orchid spruce]

need a pantheon 6 where we only fight the best bosses

[exotic dome]

they will make us fight zango in symphony of pharloom 💔

[dusk quail]

shade lord sharpshadow is beautiful

anyway

[slate wagon]

but the one false god of the game is included
makes sense

[dusk quail]

also summoned savior is a product of someone associated with the steel city who has people like Steel Assassin, it's probably different in someway

[slate wagon]

based on SS tendrils, it’s def a void tendril it’s the idea i always got from the first game anyways

[opaque sigil]

zango might actually be bypassed since it exists for the wish

[atomic sparrow]

anyways the point is that TC isn't all that consistent
and that aside again we have to make assumptions anyways

[orchid spruce]

palestag

[dusk quail]

ah

[heady iron]

Imagine ducking and covering from craggler 20 times while epic godly music plays

[opaque sigil]

two beastflies, two moss mother fights, three lace fights

[slate wagon]

i never noticed their bottom is literally the sibling bottom

three faded tendrils

[orchid spruce]

there may be lace 4 and it may be great

[atomic sparrow]

if its etv why does the knight appear as vgform? y'know all that jazz

[exotic cedar]

Feed me more refights please!!!

[slate wagon]

i think it’s EtV simply because THk isn’t there

[atomic sparrow]

Im mad that they didn't give lost lace at least some new sprites
like make her a bit taller or smth

lazy ass devs

[dusk quail]

oh wow, never noticed either

[slate wagon]

their shade is still out there somewhere and not with its siblings

[orchid spruce]

weird complaint

[atomic sparrow]

the one about lost lace?

[orchid spruce]

yeah

[atomic sparrow]

sure

[atomic sparrow]

if you want to support Team Lazy by all means

[dusk quail]

i feel like TC would want to give closure on their most important character, why would they leave it out??

[slate wagon]

exactly

their literally the namesake of the series

[opaque sigil]

thk already had closure there's no reason to include it it's just a dumb nitpick

[dusk quail]

exactly yeah, theres no way that its a shade

[slate wagon]

and yet they are mysteriously absent, and it’s not like their shade form is not noticeable

[atomic sparrow]

exactly

[slate wagon]

their shade missing is a nitpick?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[dusk quail]

how

[atomic sparrow]

it already got a conclusion in dnm but etv of course messes things up as always

[slate wagon]

how so
theyr are the most noticeable sibling
it’s pretty intentional they aren’t there

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't matter it has literally nothing to do with what the cutscene is clearly trying to communicate

[slate wagon]

i mean true

[atomic sparrow]

I mean

[opaque sigil]

the focus is supposed to be on the knight

[slate wagon]

but it brings questions of what exactly happened to them

[opaque sigil]

not really

[slate wagon]

you don’t think it’s weird theyre missing

[opaque sigil]

not at all no

[dusk quail]

well yeah but that wouldnt stop someone from just plopping HK in some corner, just cuz a cutscene has a specific meaning doesnt mean they cant put other things in there

[slate wagon]

how so, genuinely curious

that was the first thing i noticed seeing SotV first time

[dusk quail]

yeah, especially that HK and Hornet likely grew up together, they woulda wanted to see hornet maybe

[atomic sparrow]

we don't see the knight in the dnm cutscenes either no? besides their shell that is

[slate wagon]

well

idk about that

[opaque sigil]

its inclusion would be unnecessary, pointless, and distracting so its absence isn't abnormal

[slate wagon]

hornet was in the pale court sure but idk i doubt PK would let his pure vessel interact with hornet

[atomic sparrow]

were talking about how thks shade isn't seen in dnm right?

[dusk quail]

i mean look, TK's first impression of Hornet was death threats and it still saved her, Hornet was HK's sibling theres gotta definetly be SOME attachment

[opaque sigil]

if tc was trying to communicate that etv was the intended ending they wouldn't have done so by omitting thk in the part of the cutscene that's clearly pointing towards dnm they would simply not have done that part of the cutscene

[slate wagon]

in sister of the void

[atomic sparrow]

I see

[exotic dome]

beastfly 2 into fotf with 3 hp

[atomic sparrow]

I mean I think its clear that they didn't include it just to be ambigious

[dusk quail]

Not to get political but TC clearly wanted to point towards ETV thru the 2 frames of shade lord

[atomic sparrow]

sigh every problem loops back to etv

[onyx python]

hunter screamed at tk and he still didn't slime him on the spot

[opaque sigil]

they were pointing at both because the point is to be ambiguous that's why they did two shots equally pointing at different endings

[dusk quail]

exactly gng

[atomic sparrow]

well yeah but theres also vgform and also siblings which is asscosciated with dnm

again its ambigious between the two

[dusk quail]

not to get political but shade lord shoulda been clear enough

[opaque sigil]

as should the wall of shades

[atomic sparrow]

that its etv only?

[slate wagon]

it’s ambiguous until TC inevitably brings back godseekers and we get our answer

[dusk quail]

what you think every single shade in the abyss just suddenly dies after TK reaches SL form?

[exotic dome]

i agree black painted lace design was underwhelming

make her a mutated void monster or smth

[opaque sigil]

you either can't read or are deliberately strawmanning

silksong fans man

[orchid spruce]

[dusk quail]

am i being gaslit rn

[atomic sparrow]

and you think that the knight just chooses to look as vgform because they can yeah?

[orchid spruce]

you are being offered introspection

[opaque sigil]

that's not the point of media illiteracy it's the wall of shades being specifically a callback to rad climb

[dusk quail]

imagine Hornet seeing SL first she would not know what was going on

[somber ledge]

Do all the silk skills do the same damage?

[opaque sigil]

no

[slate wagon]

i think hornet was blacking out during SotV i’m ngl

[atomic sparrow]

I'm trying to approach it from the angle that we have to make an assumption either way so thats why its ambigious

[somber ledge]

Which one does the most?

[opaque sigil]

she was, you see her pass out

[slate wagon]

silk spear probably

[slate wagon]

and thread storm (?)

[dusk quail]

i thought spear was the worst

unless if youre talking about pale nails

[somber ledge]

I am fighting zango and using volt filamment. I like both silk spear and pale nails for him

Which one I use though, I don't know.

[slate wagon]

spear is amazing; it’s a straight 3x damage with a fast ass cast time

id why it would be the worst

[lavish apex]

this is a meta argument but i don't think tc would want a dlc ending that you can only get after beating a gauntlet of every boss in the game to be perceived as the only canon one

[somber ledge]

Okay, next time I die I use spear then.

[lavish apex]

that's kinda bad

[slate wagon]

lmao i was right

[somber ledge]

Threadstorm?

[slate wagon]

spear and thread storm

[somber ledge]

Oooo, okay

[exotic dome]

they really don't need to make an ending for boss rush dlc

[somber ledge]

Threadstorm requires too much closeness though. I think I will spear.

Wow, I thought nails was much better.

[lavish apex]

i think it's meant to be either

[slate wagon]

if you’re fighting zango though, just use the phial

[somber ledge]

Don't have.

[dusk quail]

ok but cross stitch>>>>>>>>>>

[slate wagon]

rip

[somber ledge]

I know. He's fun though. I wish he respawned. He would be a perfect test dummy.

Cross stitch is kind of cool but the timing is off for me. I never used it much.

[slate wagon]

cross stitch is my favorite skill

that and beast crest goated combo

[leaden delta]

Silkspear is so cool. I wish it was better

[compact cargo]

Do yall have any tips for the Jacob and esau unlocks

[slate wagon]

suffer and pray

buff esau only

[somber ledge]

The only ones I used really are Nails and Threadstorm. Before getting threadstorm I didn't realy use silkskills much. I still don't but, it's more now.

[north ore]

so many playthroughs and I discover this today

[exotic dome]

this one is cool

[atomic sparrow]

well yeah
look I'm not gonna argue that the knight couldn't just choose which form to take on given voidheart, control over the void and all that
but if you acccept that then it goes both ways, why can't the knight just choose to look like vgfocus even if its dnm?

[somber ledge]

Bah. I died. Too bad.

Zango is tricky. Constant damage or he heals, but be to aggressive you get hit.

[slate wagon]

this was basically my argument earliee lmao

[opaque sigil]

ok but this is missing the point because it doesn't actually take the vgfocus form at all

[dusk quail]

again, how would it know vgfocus' looks

[dusk quail]

i did not see it

[slate wagon]

there is nothing stopping Tk from achieving VGfocus at a later point in time without godseekes

[wooden laurel]

As a final boss lost lace was really underwhelming
I get silksong is on a smaller level than HK was but we went from the radiance to lace with some larger hitboxes, more damage and void attacks alongside like 2 unique attacks

[slate wagon]

trust you did

[opaque sigil]

the idea of a unified form existed before godseekers so yeah

[dusk quail]

gang he was talkingn about imitating how it looked, now achieving its form

[opaque sigil]

which doesn't happen

[dusk quail]

also the only thing stopping it was HIGHKEY the Godseekers not being there

[slate wagon]

no

[dusk quail]

yes

[slate wagon]

only thing stopping it was it was not unified enough

[dusk quail]

not unified enough how

[somber ledge]

I just realized I have no idea what sharpdart does. What is everyones opinions on it?

[slate wagon]

thing didn’t have enough…experience ig with void
wdym how, same way TK slashed at tendrils in SotV, some of the void is not yet under its control
SL is all the void in tK

[dusk quail]

its cool, ez get out of jail free card, but cross stitch is better

[slate wagon]

shade cloak with a windup and a cost, ew

[somber ledge]

I was never able to find a real use case for cross stitch. Everyone seems to love it though. Which particular bosses did you guys like to use cross stitch on?

[dusk quail]

No where is it said that SL is all the void TK

[terse heart]

oh yeah

[slate wagon]

SL is all void unified under TK is what i meant
which…is pretty obvious

[somber ledge]

It required too much thought for me to use. I am not very skilled at this game. I like to just mainly use nail.

[dusk quail]

you get to be up in boss' faces without having to run away

[opaque sigil]

ohrm ohrm

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/chest-smother-kid-gif-19263333

[somber ledge]

Cross stitch more fit to aggressive players then?

[slate wagon]

which is why it’s perfect for beast crest

[rocky jolt]

got these things today

[slate wagon]

banishment

[dusk quail]

:(

[slate wagon]

boo this man

[fathom iris]

that kid never washed his face again

[somber ledge]

I would like to learn beast crest one day. I am not an aggressive player at all but I really like using nail more than anything so, it seems cool

[dusk quail]

can my reels not be filled with AI pls

[terse heart]

WRONG channel

[slate wagon]

you don’t have to be aggressive with beast crest