sk-discussion

[meager jolt]

Good luck

[lilac oxide]

https://giphy.com/gifs/instagram-viral-nazoom-BKw04PbLlfOl2tzrwO

now we wait to sorrow the sea

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/break-free-chained-in-sunlight-break-free-in-sunlight-sunlight-dog-in-sunlight-gif-16980559116378221767

[plucky stag]

Perfect timing, we were literally just talking about this

[old compass]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[lilac oxide]

i just realised i did sub 20 but the achievement only requires sub 30

[exotic cedar]

Congratz!!

[lilac oxide]

game too easy pls buff

[exotic cedar]

Stop spamming fire emojis you are gonna burn down the channel

[plucky stag]

I wanted to complete steel heart before any dlcs because they would make it easier

[meager jolt]

CONGRATS!!!!

[plucky stag]

sos is confirmed to have new tools that presumably add to the percentage

I could just simply ignore the dlc areas for my extra challenge but it's not the same

[meager jolt]

I'm waiting, too, I hear it comes out this month........ .xycyivhivjbn

[plucky stag]

And there is every possibility that tc makes it impossible to vanilla 100% it

[meager jolt]

Ikr so generous

[lilac oxide]

lowkey though sub 20 is pretty doable if you have good routing

[orchid spruce]

If TC releases SOS on the same day as NS anniversary, I'll track them down personally

[lilac oxide]

i probably wasted 2 hours on just delivery quests and groal the great

[plucky stag]

In hollow knight to get day one steel heart you need hiveblood, but in order to get that you have to fight hive knight (did not exist on day one) who also gives a percentage

[plucky stag]

And what date is that

[meager jolt]

Hive Knight gives a percentage???

[orchid spruce]

29th May

[plucky stag]

This sort of happened with me and undertale's 10th anniversary

I had planned from the start of 2025 to begin undertale on September 15th but hornet got in the way

[lilac oxide]

what you tracked down toby fox?

[plucky stag]

I had to abandon those plans but I eventually started my (blind) ut playthrough on September 21st

That was after I got weaver queen but before I got true ending

[meager jolt]

A blind UT playthrough? These days?

[plucky stag]

I was so blind I didn't even know that ||papyrus and sans were brothers|| going in

[meager jolt]

Oh glorious! That must have been amazing!!

[plucky stag]

It was, and I cherished every minute of it

And for those wondering: during my first neutral run I ended with lv 14

[meager jolt]

Felt the same about playing Silksong blind

[plucky stag]

||besides one or two monsters i just killed anyone who initiated an encounter with me||

Basically treating it like a standard rpg

[meager jolt]

Most do

[plucky stag]

Most who go in blind

But of course those who know about the sparing going in will try and spare everyone they can the first time

[lilac oxide]

dont worry it took me until ||last corridor|| to realise

[plucky stag]

||Sans literally mentions it in snowdin||

[manic phoenix]

DEATH CORRIDOR REFERENCE

[orchid spruce]

[frosty kelp]

imsoblind_?

[lilac oxide]

||i know im stupid ok :l||

idk why i spoiled that

[plucky stag]

i had a dumb moment playing undertale too

[plucky stag]

when ||i met asgore at the end and he said i should tidy up any unfinished business, i backtracked for an hour to find any missing sidequests (in a game as linear as this one)||

basically, i was wrong genre savvy

[manic phoenix]

Fellow gd player🥹🥹

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[odd hull]

Helo

[toxic vigil]

never knew there are silkflies over lace here

[lilac oxide]

:3

[queen acorn]

it’s you

[lilac oxide]

😭

[queen acorn]

yall ever listen to mozart

his shit loki gas

[lilac oxide]

me when Requiem in d-Moll (KV 626): II. Kyrie starts playing

[timid plinth]

like when i gassed walmart

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cat-purple-purple-fire-purple-fire-cat-gif-3798894259036181291

[lilac oxide]

true

[queen acorn]

an iq too high

[toxic vigil]

most forgettable gauntlet oat

[lilac oxide]

rupert

[lilac oxide]

legit dont know where this is

is that in the bottom left of choral chambers

[toxic vigil]

yeah

[lilac oxide]

i had my mind switched off when i fought that gauntlet

most nothingburger ever

[queen acorn]

true

[terse heart]

ngl up there with first sinner

[exotic dome]

valid

[queen acorn]

me and second sentinel loki top bosses oat

[exotic cedar]

What the heng is this

[queen acorn]

how boys think girls dance vs how girls dance 💀

https://tenor.com/view/blowdryer-cat-meta-bunny-gif-15103111441013218220

why yall so disapproving

[wind mulch]

ridiculous creature

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194349861148037154/1326906833746526240/cat.gif

[terse heart]

Bro how long is it going to take for rosery farming

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1139176380307873804/1477417617437229290/reverse.gif

ok u kinda dragging it

[wind mulch]

cats are so funny

[queen acorn]

true

[cedar bluff]

bro i swear i just saw something

[wind mulch]

i want one of these

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-undertale-memes-sans-papyrus-gif-24074771

[wind mulch]

what

[cedar bluff]

what

[wind mulch]

what what

[cedar bluff]

wuh

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-take-you-said-what-gif-26902606

[short trout]

Check this out

[toxic vigil]

fun fact you can't leave sherma

[short trout]

Where are you even

[cedar trench]

the ward

[proud gull]

we are not leaving Sherma in the big Ward 😭

[timid plinth]

who's we

[proud gull]

lwk i think Sherma should left there

they should add an alternate route where WE deliver the medical stuffs instead

[terse heart]

brooo

[crimson dust]

Hit 30 on flea juggle and it didn't count....

[fair echo]

yo

when sea of sorrow5

[proud gull]

tmr

[flat lynx]

sharpdart supremacy

[crimson dust]

Sometime later

[tired flume]

Greetings guys so what are your hobbies?

[proud gull]

silksong

[flat lynx]

silksong

[fair echo]

in 7 years ahh

[terse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332161685196374095/1380557384476262512/attachment.gif

[tired flume]

So after moving on from silksong what did you move on to?

[crimson dust]

Cuddling with the homies

[flat lynx]

nine sols but i pretty much just started

[terse heart]

undertale

[crimson dust]

Silksong

[torpid kiln]

Steel soul.

[crimson dust]

To be real

Hades

[vale whale]

how are we chat

[torpid kiln]

The game isn’t beat till every achievement’s lit up

[terse heart]

bro the fuckin uhhh

[vale whale]

i'm very jolly

[terse heart]

rosery grind is ticking me off

[vale whale]

slaughtering noobs in dark souls 1 with my meticulously crafted stone knight turtle build

those undead burg noobs will mention my name forever

[tired flume]

Same game and a waste of time?

[proud gull]

Sea of Sorrow

[torpid kiln]

Nothing is a waste of time if you enjoy the process of doing it

[crimson dust]

Chilling I just want the flea festival to end..... Juggle is giving me misery

[tired flume]

Not released

[vale whale]

i love it when they expose their back for a delicious backstab

[proud gull]

soon

[vale whale]

little noobs try to heal

[torpid kiln]

Only a slave commodifies their time

[old compass]

I move on to college
saying goodbye to being a kid and hello to adulthood 💔

[odd hull]

A lot of stuff. Highlights were probably Sekiro and TUNIC, but I'm playing Rusted Moss & Celeste rn.

[vale whale]

sometimes i throw a lloyd's talisman at them so they get confused

and then i kick them around

i love it

[torpid kiln]

Everyone always forgets they exist

[vale whale]

they try to run and i jump attack them

other times i toss them around like a salad

it truly brings me joy

[odd hull]

True

[torpid kiln]

God there’s nothing better than hefty stack of Lloyd’s talismans and a status build

[vale whale]

good idea

[torpid kiln]

Block healing
Proc toxic
Proc bleed

[vale whale]

i need dung pies

or maybe poison arrowd

it doesnt matter theyre from the same vendor anyways

[torpid kiln]

I need to finish ds1 proper

[vale whale]

tossing noobs around is so fun

[torpid kiln]

I’m a ds3 loyalist I fear, not for any fault of the other two games it’s just the one i pick up to play every time

[vale whale]

i use my reinforced club and i bleed them

and they try to run

[torpid kiln]

There’s nothing better than chasing them down as they run

[vale whale]

i need more projectiles to use for my tortures

rn im using talismans i could try to fit in firebombs

[torpid kiln]

Does ds1 have kukuri

Or poison knives

[vale whale]

poison throwing knives

from female undear merchant

[torpid kiln]

Poison knives are so underrated for pve

[timid willow]

I'm gonna use a modded crest for Funsies because I've already finished Silksong so who cares

[torpid kiln]

Useful for pvp as well

[timid willow]

(for a new playthrough)

[slender juniper]

Am I the only one who actually liked the MJ missions in spider man 2?

[slender juniper]

You mean void crest?yeah don't it's a better easy mode than architect

[vale whale]

cba to get to her tho i would have to trek to the church from the bonfire, get the key from the courtyard, go to sunlighr altar through the underground, unlock the door, get the shortcut, rest at bonfire and run down to the aqueduct

[patent warren]

okey so, i was confused because hunter crest pogo felt so familiar when i started playing the game and just now i realized that is very similar to specter knight ability in shovel knight specter of torment

[timid willow]

No queen's crest

[torpid kiln]

The big one?

[vale whale]

ive already been slaving away making this build

[fiery burrow]

true

[vale whale]

i got stone knight set, winged spear and grabbed a kite shield + reinforced club

and i had to free lautrec kick him at firelink and beat havel at level 15

[vale whale]

the build is primarily turtling but the noobs suck so bad they dont engage so i grab my club and beat them up

[timid willow]

Imo wanderer's is more easy mode then architect's because it also trivializes the early game

[torpid kiln]

That’s awesome

[torpid kiln]

Yeah the resemblance is uncanny

God wanderers doesn’t hit like it should for me I think, I got so used to the extended range of Hunter and reaper than it just doesn’t feel right anymore

[vale whale]

nothing brings me more joy than throwing a noob around burg

one time ONE OF THRM TRIED TO GET TO THE BONFIRE HE WAS SO CONFISED

[timid willow]

Queen's crest has hunter's movement has 2 silk skill slots the ability from reaper after binding and has 1 red and yellow slot and 3 blue slots

[vale whale]

HE LIKE RAN INTO THE FOG

[winged lily]

Ss bosses by character

[torpid kiln]

I might need to replay the entirety of hollow knight again

[torpid kiln]

LMFAOOOO

[timid willow]

For me trobbio is S tier but tormented is A tier

[slender juniper]

Excuse me

[fiery burrow]

shovel knight is kinda peak ngl

[timid willow]

Yeah

[winged lily]

Fair

[slender juniper]

Silksong fans trying to make something balanced: challenge impossible

[fiery burrow]

I only bought HK because I confused it with Shovel Knight

[timid willow]

A random ah mod I found, I already finished the game on my 1st savefile let's see how easy it is on my 3rd one 😂

[old compass]

I bought HK for no reason'

[odd hull]

Reverse for me

[old compass]

I legit don't know why but I did and I'm glad

[exotic cedar]

I bought hk because someoen reccomended me it

Worst mistake of my life 😨

[torpid kiln]

My brother bought hollow knight and never touched it and he shared his games with me and I put 250+ hours into it

[odd hull]

True

[timid willow]

Fair enough, only reason why tormented isn't S tier is because of how much the screen is cluttered during his figjt

[torpid kiln]

Disabling screen shake helps a ton

[timid willow]

But that still being trobbio brings it from B tier up to A tier

[timid willow]

The amount of attacks on the screen make the fight annoying but also fun

My whole twitch account has been trobbiofied

[winged lily]

By character

[timid willow]

Literally am called trobbio on twitch and with a trobbio pfp

[winged lily]

Not fight

[timid willow]

Oh by character both easy S tier

[hybrid flare]

wym by character

[torpid kiln]

God I still can’t decide on a favorite boss

[timid willow]

I would argue Shakira is also S tier

[timid willow]

I can and it's easy TROBBIO

[winged lily]

Where??

[torpid kiln]

I’m waiting for the absolute pain the dlc is going to dish out. I know team cherry like I know my family and I know that they are cooking something evil

[odd hull]

Tbh first time I beat him i wasn't seeing anything during the last 10s, literally. But on rematches, I didn't have any problem whatsoever

[timid willow]

Shakra*

[hybrid flare]

wym by character

[golden crater]

crust king khann, bite me

[winged lily]

Hallucination

[timid willow]

Stupid autocorrect

[winged lily]

Didn't rank

[torpid kiln]

Including gauntlet I 100% get it

[timid willow]

Not on your list yet ik

[timid willow]

Ik just stating my opinion about her

[torpid kiln]

I never really struggled with khann, did the gauntlet first try on my casual playthrough and him and two or three

[timid willow]

I love the normal fight Abit more

[winged lily]

Design, lore basically everything besides battle

[winged lily]

Alright

[timid willow]

Anyway time to not buy the quill until act 2 for the red one

[torpid kiln]

Also nyleth is a bum idc what anyone else says. Easiest act 3 boss

Zango doesn’t count

[hybrid flare]

Son then what the fuck is gms, lace and lost lace doing so low

[solar eagle]

agreed

[hybrid flare]

Like fourth chorus above literally anything is barbaric

[torpid kiln]

I went in there with reaper longclaw and grip and it took ZERO effort

[winged lily]

Gms is like a+ with more accurate tiers but lace stays in b

[odd hull]

Fairs, I find normal trobbio too easy

[hybrid flare]

What is phantom doing up there

If lace is that low

[fiery burrow]

GMS barely has a character

[torpid kiln]

GMS might be my favorite, at low needle and less than 9 masks it’s genuinely so fun

Cursed gms was so fun

[hybrid flare]

More than 4th chorus

[winged lily]

Phantom has better design and story

[hybrid flare]

No she doesnt

[fiery burrow]

yea fourth chorus is mid

[timid willow]

Just obliterate it with architect curvesickle the electro balls and conchfly tools and yeah a dead Nyleth in less then a minute

[hybrid flare]

Design wise i'll buy it yeah tbf

[timid willow]

WAIT A MINUTE TWIN?! (Look at our pfp's)

[hybrid flare]

Gms doesnt have much to her but still a somewhat interesting antagonist

[winged lily]

Chorus shouldn't have been S prolly A

[torpid kiln]

I prefer the slow and steady approach of beating a cleft in her head from 2 meters away and clawlining easily out of danger

[hybrid flare]

C or D

[solar eagle]

wth why first sinner so low

[timid willow]

Fair enough

[odd hull]

True

[hybrid flare]

Also how is Fs not in A

Forebrothers this high what are we doing

[torpid kiln]

So many Silksongers seem so obsessed with strength and ease being equivocate to speed. I prefer to take my time and keep racking damage while avoiding getting hit

However! I always go for the heavy ordinance tools

Pimpillo voltvessels my beloved

Nothing like throwing reaper on, chucking a fuck ton of electricity down and chaining 4 electric pale nails right into the poor fucker you’re standing by

[fiery burrow]

The Lost Crown when it comes to having the coolest metroidvania parries oat

[hybrid flare]

sloppy 3dvania

[torpid kiln]

I think I’m going to do a thorough beast playthrough next

[winged lily]

Dunno

[hybrid flare]

💔

[fiery burrow]

true it should be fullblown 3D idk why the genre is stuck in 2D

[odd hull]

Too hard to make 3D games.

Pseudoregalia is 3D tho

[hybrid flare]

Ngl kinda true but it looks goofy when 3d

[torpid kiln]

Silksong is a 3D game

[winged lily]

2.5D

[torpid kiln]

The woke devs don’t want you to know this

[fiery burrow]

Its from Ubisoft

[odd hull]

Yep.

[hybrid flare]

oh ew

[fiery burrow]

Nah its kinda peak

Best MV combat for sure

[hybrid flare]

Dont make me touch that company ever bro

[odd hull]

3D metroidvania would still be hard, simply by lack of previous exemples. You need to "invent" a lot by yourself if you try to do one

[fiery burrow]

Walking past Silksong fans with my base moveset of a 3 hit combo, upslash which knocks enemies into the air, a dodge, a sprint, a dodge attack, a sprint attack, a charge attack, and a parry

[hybrid flare]

oh wow so unique

Can you switch movesets though

[fiery burrow]

Its not unique that's why they put all of it at the start instead of making it your abilities like in Silksong

Although Silksong doesn't have air combos

[hybrid flare]

Is pop tlc a soulslike chat

[hybrid flare]

Almost

[fiery burrow]

fym almost

ur upslash does nothing bro 🥀

[hybrid flare]

Idk what you would call an air combo tbf

[fiery burrow]

You knock enemies up into the air and combo them

Like powers in ultrakill

[hybrid flare]

Well i can kick enemies that are midair already

[hybrid flare]

You've never fought 3 mindflayers at the same time in the cybergrind have you?

[odd hull]

damn these 2 clicks emotes

[fiery burrow]

Mindflayers are just flying you can't juggle them

[hybrid flare]

Powers only when staggered doe

And tbf its kinda boring on their end

[fiery burrow]

Its pretty fun

[hybrid flare]

I'd rather have my enemy attack

or i js toss them into a pit that's funnier

[fiery burrow]

The more interesting your own moveset is the more you can get away with simpler enemies or enemies that don't attack at all if you know what you're doing

[vale whale]

could never be ori wotw

[hybrid flare]

Disagree on this one tbf, enemies make a myriad of a difference

[vale whale]

i have hit dozens of air combos with upward spirit smash

[hybrid flare]

ts is why we glaze silksong's peak enemies

[fiery burrow]

Silksong doesn't really have a super interesting moveset its very simple

[slender juniper]

Lost crown was a 7.5/10

[hybrid flare]

and uk enemies aren't very simple, the more important ones at least

[terse heart]

why won't he move

[fiery burrow]

I'm not like slandering it that's just what it is and so the depth of the combat needs to come from the enemies

[torpid kiln]

The interest comes from the fact that you get 6 new movesets

[slender juniper]

I'm guessing you took phantom

[hybrid flare]

When you get all of the abilities it's not ultra complex but you can do many things with it

[fiery burrow]

You can't swap between them during combat though

The interest comes from the enemies

[terse heart]

But I killed last judge too

[unkempt steeple]

Let them take their time

Geez

[hybrid flare]

Plus tools and shit

[torpid kiln]

God and clawline

[slender juniper]

Only 5 of the are viable for the meta and one of the 5 is toolspam

[torpid kiln]

Clawline is the best thing team cherry added on Silksong

[hybrid flare]

nail architect mogs

[slender juniper]

Not enough fleas

[terse heart]

fym

[torpid kiln]

I reject the concept of a meta for a singleplayer game

[silk pumice]

agreed

[slender juniper]

I accept

[fiery burrow]

I mean reaper sucks but architect is still fun and crests are overall good

[unkempt steeple]

Slopsong

[torpid kiln]

Metas are historically known to kill games which develop them. Every compshooter, fighting game, and racing title turns to hell once a meta is established

[unkempt steeple]

I don't like architect becuse I dislike the current red tool system as a whole

[slender juniper]

That's because the games are unbalanced

A balanced game is where a meta doesn't exist

[fiery burrow]

shellshards are garbage

[torpid kiln]

Broke ass

[unkempt steeple]

I don't think shell shards are the issue tbh

[slender juniper]

Nerf beast

[torpid kiln]

Honestly my main gripe with shards is that they should give you the trigger for crawfather immediately into act 3 and not make it just a random event. I want to be able to passively farm shards and beads from the get go

[slender juniper]

They should just make you repair 40% of tools for free when you redpawn

[torpid kiln]

With early game rosary balance it’s not hard to passively accumulate enough shards

[slender juniper]

There's 5 free shard bundles in act 1 amh

[cedar bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1120737601222098974.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[fiery burrow]

If you get stuck on a boss you have to grind occasionally to use tools and it sucks big time

[torpid kiln]

Especially if you net beast shards

[odd hull]

Helo

[torpid kiln]

I never had this issue personally cuz I wasn’t using tools much on my first playthrough so I already had the knowledge of how to route shards and beads when this became a problem

[slender juniper]

"has big powerful weapons you can throw" balance idea:make them use a resource you can farm, be fr

[hybrid flare]

they're completely optional but there shouldnt be a cap on how many you can get

[unkempt steeple]

I end up just never equipped red tools and just using silk skills

[torpid kiln]

lol my first strat was to use the dead bugs purse to infinitely farm beads on hard bosses. Did it on beastfly and my income steadily increased each time I picked up my cocoon

[fiery burrow]

Surely grinding is a meaningful way to disincentivize a part of your moveset

[slender juniper]

Red tools are a joke

[unkempt steeple]

I only use red tools in steel soul becuse of the straight pin in early game (and groal spam)

[torpid kiln]

After 40 failed attempts I had a huge pile

[toxic vigil]

wait what

[fiery burrow]

Why is there still grinding in 2026 bro

[silk pumice]

i just do no tools or skills

[fiery burrow]

Why is there grinding in a metroidvania 😭

[toxic vigil]

why no skills

[torpid kiln]

Yeah the purse leaves you with a few beads on death but you still have the full bead count in your cocoon

[silk pumice]

to make it more difficult

[slender juniper]

Just get on the grinding mindset bro💔

[toxic vigil]

hmm

[leaden delta]

idk. no skills makes ss way too boring for me

[fiery burrow]

Its called the grindset

[leaden delta]

but I do run toolless in general

[cedar bluff]

you cannot escape grinding, it is everywhere in almost every game

[leaden delta]

hunter only silkspear is fun as hell

[slender juniper]

Blasphemous is actually so good with this you don't loose your money when you die

[silk pumice]

try doing karmelita as base hornet

[slender juniper]

Instead your mana bar is reduced

[hybrid flare]

it caps your mana

[fiery burrow]

I mean idrm grinding in an RPG if its fun but there are some genres where its just bizarre

[hybrid flare]

bludborne

[torpid kiln]

Once you add clawline to this it’s incredible

[fiery burrow]

true

[torpid kiln]

I wish the snitch pick wasn’t ass

[slender juniper]

Better than loosing all of my money I can just go to the confession booth or get my mana back

[hybrid flare]

yeah but it costs money

[leaden delta]

I’m not opening silksong

[slender juniper]

Tf you mean it's great

[fiery burrow]

I don't really like the corpse run system in HK/SS cuz it just encourages the player to hit their head into a wall instead of exploring and coming back later which seems to be the intent

[leaden delta]

that game is boring to me still

I had my fun. I’m opening lensed night sky instead because that’s a real good game

[silk pumice]

why not

[odd hull]

Losing money upon dying is so lame

[torpid kiln]

I’d rather it be split into a flat clawline damage upgrade tool and a geo stealing tool. Those being bundled together makes it feel awkward to me and makes me more inclined to use a different tool

[leaden delta]

boring

[silk pumice]

then make it challenging

[toxic vigil]

no it dosen't

[leaden delta]

I got my fun out of that game for now

[torpid kiln]

There’s always a better choice than the snitchpick and it’s almost always Weavelight

[slender juniper]

It doesn't even steal money lmao

[hybrid flare]

I loved when mio had a useless currency

[odd hull]

Touhou?

[toxic vigil]

weavelight is not good

[leaden delta]

the only thing I really want to do is play hunt’s any% map but goddddd opening silksong is a thing I don’t want to do I have no motivation

[fiery burrow]

snitchpick fans when you say you don't want a 25% increase to your grapple damage instead of a 25% increase to your spell damage

[toxic vigil]

if you said longclaw thats fair

[slender juniper]

You'll always have money to get your confession be fr

[unkempt steeple]

Silksong is the only good game ever but sure

[toxic vigil]

i run both

[hybrid flare]

ya but youre spending it ykyky

[torpid kiln]

Being able to clawline at all times changes the game

[leaden delta]

yes! that game is the best touhou fangame I’ve ever played it’s SO good

[hybrid flare]

and its a chore

[toxic vigil]

??? you already can??
unless you mean platforming

[torpid kiln]

Both but i tend to run low on silk due to my fighting style so always having one in the chamber makes things breezy

[leaden delta]

it isn’t that the game isn’t challenging I did coral tower hitless. I just fundamentally don’t like hornet over tk in a large majority of scenarios

[slender juniper]

...you already do without Weavelight

[torpid kiln]

I don’t like waiting the half second

[slender juniper]

Silk issue

[leaden delta]

like, I don’t enjoy red tools at all and I don’t like most of the skills (silkspear is the only one that I feel is on par with hk spells feel wise)

[toxic vigil]

i think most optimal for no hits is:

• circlet
• volt filament
• longclaw / egg of flealia / snitch pick
  and sometimes just a combination of these 5

[hybrid flare]

BRACELET

[slender juniper]

Shart fart?

[solar eagle]

i think i never took off weave light once i got it except some bosses

[toxic vigil]

i was talking blues

[hybrid flare]

oh

[leaden delta]

and at that point the amulets are like. meh. I’ll play with them sometimes but I prefer no amulets either

I will say I do reaaaally like hunter

[torpid kiln]

Yeah true

[azure mist]

I'm making a map for Pharloom Bay.

[toxic vigil]

this connection is unrealistic i think

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/i/status/2050803914740465748

Matthew Griffin (@griffinmatta)

@HollowTired 🧐

X · May 3, 2026, 5:05 AM

[azure mist]

I was thinking something similar to a Diving Bell.

[toxic vigil]

its kinda where shakra's master dies

[torpid kiln]

Oh I thought that’d be the top of the lifeblood tower

[azure mist]

Nope.

[odd hull]

Ohh, It keeps popping up on my tl, looks great. I want to get into th so bad, but I'm also so bad at it

[slender juniper]

That's on an island

[meager jolt]

OI

[torpid kiln]

Is that confirmed? It’s been a while since I watched the reveal trailer

[meager jolt]

Game key card?

[azure mist]

Are the islands even gonna be on the map? The actual Sea Of Sorrow looks HUGE-

[slender juniper]

30% of the content in SoS has been leaked

It's just a lot of reused content

[cedar bluff]

i hate reused content bruh

[torpid kiln]

Yeah the dlc’s are just gonna be all the stuff they couldn’t fit in the main game, like with hollow knight

At least for the initial ones

[azure mist]

Also, since they're expanding the map eastward, do we think they're gonna expand it westward as well?

[toxic vigil]

the only place they could is mt fay

[cedar bluff]

there IS an empty space inbetween wormways and blasted steps but its very smol

[azure mist]

True that. What could even be beyond Mt Fay tho?

[torpid kiln]

They could also do the surface

[meager jolt]

Kinda lame

[narrow bramble]

They js removing things when the game got released and wait months till they re-add them with the dlc

[azure mist]

It's kinda weird how Wormways isn't connected to Blasted Steps.

[slender juniper]

That's a silkpost lmao

[azure mist]

Not with the amount of content they excluded from the game.

[torpid kiln]

It’s not reused as much as unused, it’s all the extra stuff they couldn’t put in for release

[leaden delta]

It’s fucking incredible

[narrow bramble]

However that it got infected by the lifeblood (js like forgotten crossroads)

[meager jolt]

Oof in the big '26?

[narrow bramble]

Hear me out, what if a Hollow knight game that the lifeblood is literally the main antagonist

[cedar bluff]

the game isnt fully out yet so uhhh

[azure mist]

They're not making any more games, soooo...

[torpid kiln]

Unlikely since lifeblood is probably going to be the main antagonist of the dlc

[azure mist]

I had the same idea asw, but I'm pretty sure Sea Of Sorrow is gonna explore basically all there is to lifeblood.

[cedar bluff]

i hate how the mr mushroom ending says, "to be continued" then they say they arent making any more games bruh

[toxic vigil]

we still love silkposting'

[meager jolt]

Sigh

[torpid kiln]

They said they wanted to make more stories in the world they’ve created while disconnecting that story from the pale king’s offspring and hallownest/pharloom

[azure mist]

I'm kinda hoping for the Hunter's Nest/Hatchery to return someday. Looked dope in the trailers!

[torpid kiln]

They’re not making any more sequels, they are making more games

[narrow bramble]

I could expect a boss fight from that thing

[azure mist]

Mhm.

[torpid kiln]

I wanna fight that thing sooooo bad

Lifeblood abyss creature

I really really really wanted a lord of shades fight when the game initially dropped but lost lace is so good that I’m not mad at all

The way the fourth chorus was shown in the trailers made me imagine it as smthn like that

[azure mist]

I wonder if that's gonna be the equivalent to NKG in Silksong. Basically this incredibly powerful higher being that has its own title card and all that.

[torpid kiln]

Almost certainly

[silk pumice]

i feel like karmelita shouldve gotten one

shes absolutely one of the best bosses in the game imo

[torpid kiln]

I think it’s reserved for gods

[silk pumice]

and the lore and what she has done is crazy

[meager jolt]

Grimm game 👀

[silk pumice]

i hope not

[torpid kiln]

Username checks out

[narrow bramble]

I even wanna see the full body cuz it might be something

[kind tide]

She clapped my cheeks relentlessly bruh 😭

[torpid kiln]

I think it’d be more likely for us to get a Bretta game than a troupe one

[meager jolt]

Tee hee

[silk pumice]

i got her back for you dw

beat her as base hornet

[narrow bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-shocked-gif-9885796698302419555

[kind tide]

Wym her BACK

[silk pumice]

not like that and you know it

[odd hull]

Nah

[naive jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hornet-wait-hold-up-frustrated-gif-18643181

[lusty grove]

okay but why would it fight us? Lifeblood seems like a neutral force up to this point

[torpid kiln]

Karmelita is difficult until you realize how busted tacks are

[silk pumice]

why not?

[silk pumice]

fuck the tacks

[kind tide]

Do NOT

[azure mist]

I mean... Have you seen the Wormways?

[silk pumice]

stop being weird please

[cedar bluff]

bros just tryna put EVERYTHING out of context bruh

[silk pumice]

hear me out, fight her as base hornet

[narrow bramble]

On act 3*

[torpid kiln]

No clue but it’s the only thing we’ve seen that’s close to the driving force behind lifeblood and is tied to the ancient and eldritch elements of the world, so stopping the spread of lifeblood might lead to a confrontation

[azure mist]

Yup.

[silk pumice]

no tools, needle upgrades, health or spool upgrades, no skills, silk hearts or movement abilities

[lusty grove]

yeah, and nothing in there was caused by the Lifeblood creature, it was all a consequence of misuse of Plasmium

[kind tide]

😭 🥀

[azure mist]

I wouldn't exactly call that place "neutral" tho.

[torpid kiln]

Once I’ve finished my steel soup grind this sounds like a treat

[silk pumice]

i loved it

[strange knot]

Oh that’s kinda easy

[silk pumice]

both her and lost lace can be done hitless as base hornet

[silk pumice]

shockingly so

obviously using base hunter for crest too

[torpid kiln]

Also I disagree that it’s a neutral force cuz even in the first game Joni was described as a heretic and lifeblood was taboo in hallownest. And once it takes root in pharloom we see nothing but another infection

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood doesn't make anything hostile, all of the hostile things there were already hostile before it, and Zango never directly attacks us

[odd hull]

I don't think it fits her presentation or character

[silk pumice]

fair

[cedar bluff]

the lifeblood could've like done something to his mind tho if its THAT infectious

[torpid kiln]

Zango themself might not attack us but the lifeblood spewing out of it seems really similar to how the infection spews out of the hollow knight or radiance infected bugs

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood was taboo because misuse could lead to very bad things, but Lifeblood itself doesn't do anything on it's own

[torpid kiln]

Hornet makes a direct parallel

[silk pumice]

isnt lifeblood a weaker infestation?

[lusty grove]

"weaker"

[cedar bluff]

the humble act 3 wormways

[silk pumice]

well the knight is able to use it, but for the radiance's infection, theyre chained up

[azure mist]

Lifeblood seems to act weirdly when the abyss is involved. So I'd assume that's an important factor. We don't see ANY hostility in lifeblood prior to Act 3, when Pharloom falls to the void.

[torpid kiln]

Dialogue from Eva when plasmified

[lusty grove]

as far as we know, Lifeblood's only goal is to spread and continue living, and it can indeed affect the minds of bugs to fulfill that goal, but it doesn't directly attempt evil acts

[azure mist]

Yup.

[cedar bluff]

...just like bacteria 'n' viruses in the real world

[stable pilot]

!wiki the slab

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/The_Slab

Hollow Knight Wiki

The Slab

The Slab is an area located in the cold north of Pharloom. It is a holy place of forgiveness where sinners and heretics of the Citadel come to repent. Or, to the common eye, it is a harsh prison where the Citadel sends those who commit any transgression, no matter how small.

Connection

Choral Chambers
Mount Fay

​

Music

Ambience

Atmos Slab
Citadel Halls
Atmos Citadel Outside
Cave Atmosphere Misc. 3
Atmos Cave Misc 4
Atmos Blizzard High
Atmos Outside Wind Chasm

Main

The Slab

Action

Boneforest Action
Generic Enemy Battle A
Red Maiden
Cut Through

[torpid kiln]

It seeks to reshape the world by devouring the spirits and reshaping the bodies of bugs into mindless slaves.

[lusty grove]

yeah and I wouldn't call them evil

[cedar bluff]

fair

[lusty grove]

it doesn't do any of that wdym

Zylotol was still very mindful

[torpid kiln]

Dude. The proof is here

The lady who can see souls says it’s despicable

[azure mist]

Would've been just a matter of time before he went completely insane asw.

[lusty grove]

that's basically Eva saying that Lifeblood spreads a lot and could be destructive

[torpid kiln]

He was fanatically devoted to becoming a seedbed for lifeblood to spread and devour the world around it

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood doesn't "devour spirits" or "turn bugs into mindless slaves"

[silk pumice]

lifeblood addict trying to make it seem harmless

[lusty grove]

yeah, their mind was completely changed
but they still had it

[lusty grove]

it is harmful, just not evil

[azure mist]

She claims that Hornet may have not even been willingly injected with lifeblood. That certainly tells us all we need to know.

[silk pumice]

I was making a joke

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood is as evil as a weed, as in it's not, but you still shouldn't leave it unsupervised

[azure mist]

LMFAO-

"Hornet, we need to cook."

[lusty grove]

the Wormways things also weren't

[timid plinth]

why are we talking about alcohol

[lusty grove]

one can be injected with Lifeblood

[old compass]

lifeblood isn't evil in a higher being wanting worship sense
it's kinda just a drug in the form of a higher being's blood

[torpid kiln]

Lifeblood isn’t a weed because it’s connected to a higher being and is spread with intent. Its presence in the hall of gods confirms this and so does the infectious form it takes

[cedar bluff]

bro alcohol KILLS people we're talking about a regenerative taboo thingy

[torpid kiln]

It takes root wherever it can and spreads to take over entire ecosystems

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood is just a weed
a magical weed with dream powers that can zombify bugs, but still a weed

[lusty grove]

oh wait I didn't read this gimme a sec

[winged lily]

Performance enhancing drug

Thats all

Has side effects too

[old compass]

well everything will be revealed in SoS (hopefully)

[lusty grove]

it's a weed with a hive mind

[torpid kiln]

This is like saying silk is just a fabric. A fabric that stifles minds and zombifies bugs, but just a fabric

[cedar bluff]

what DOESNT have side effects atp

[lusty grove]

a very weird and magical and dangerous weed

[azure mist]

Drugs.

[winged lily]

Thats just how medicine works

[lusty grove]

Silk is used with the intent of zombifying bugs, Lifeblood zombifying bugs is a consequence

[old compass]

lifeblood higher being revealed to be the mafia:

[torpid kiln]

GMS spreads her influence via silk, the radiance via the infection, lifeblood creature via plasmium

[winged lily]

Yeah

[cedar bluff]

what if i just killed the 3 of them, then there would be no harmful influence to spread

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood doesn't "want" to zombify bugs or devour the world or cause destruction or anything like that
but it's also not opposed to doing all that, and will do it if needed

[old compass]

tbh I

'm pretty sure lifeblood does want to spread-

[azure mist]

Yup.

[torpid kiln]

Well the only way we’ve seen to contain all three of these things with any effectiveness is to throw them into the abyss which has its own set of problems

[old compass]

it just doesn't do the whole "oh worship me" thing, but it's still very much want to grow itself

[narrow bramble]

Shade lord via black threads or abyss corruption js like lost lace

[torpid kiln]

It absolutely does do the “oh worship me” thing! That’s exactly what zylotol is doing!

[lusty grove]

Yeah but that is basically it's only goal and everything else is a consequence of said goal

[cedar bluff]

yea but i said i'd kill not contain since im that strong. (im actually very weak in the knees and stuff)

[lusty grove]

The Lifeblood in them is just telling them to spread more Lifeblood, cuz that's the only thing Lifeblood wants

[torpid kiln]

This whole mess only started because someone started worshipping plasmium

[terse heart]

gang I get like 35 per hit with max hunter and flintslate

[lusty grove]

Not like Plasmium told them to

[azure mist]

This is Zango's Needolin dialogue. Yeah... I'm pretty sure lifeblood literally has the intent to spread...

[old compass]

I think zylotol is just treating lifeblood as just a substance, and doesn't ackowledge it in a sense of worship

he's a science guy not a religous guy

[torpid kiln]

No it wants to “remake the world in its own vulgar way” according to Eva, just as all the other higher beings seek to impose their will on the world

[azure mist]

Reminder that this is BEFORE Act 3 and the Wormways becoming infested.

[lusty grove]

I KNOW AND I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE

I said it doesn't have the intent of destruction and zombification and stuff

[vivid belfry]

I mean this is very much in line with Zango and Zylotol's mission statement

[old compass]

nvm I guess

[narrow bramble]

Well what's with joni tho

[vivid belfry]

they want lifeblood to spread wildly because they think any kind of life is an improvement over the desolate conditions of the wormways

[narrow bramble]

I tought lifeblood was good bc of joni but it is a menace on silksong cuz of the spreading

[cedar bluff]

joni just died of death at an early age

[torpid kiln]

Plasmium demands the worship of its followers to enact its will over the common bugs. We see this with every higher being in the game.

[toxic vigil]

lifeblood is like a parasite

[odd hull]

She's just chill like that

[opaque sigil]

I mean it started as just an attempt to see if they could, the transition to a mission to spread it is probably due to its influence

[lusty grove]

What are you talking about? Zylotol already talked about Plasmium like that before getting Plasmified

[terse heart]

guys what happenes to the green prince if you don't save him by act 3

[lusty grove]

They were always obsessed with it, it just got worse

[cedar bluff]

he stays in jail i think (i never did the green prince questline)

[torpid kiln]

Yeah I know. That’s my point

[lusty grove]

but before being Plasmified they weren't affected by Lifeblood

[devout dove]

huh

[viscid tendon]

Chat
Is this real or what https://x.com/i/status/2050936613631320262

KAMI (@Okami13_)

Team Cherry teases news on the first Hollow Knight: Silksong DLC this month.

Sea of Sorrows is coming 2026 as a free DLC expansion.

X · May 3, 2026, 1:52 PM

[terse heart]

bro do the gay man

[narrow bramble]

Break it

[cedar bluff]

i dont have a simple key bruh

[narrow bramble]

Sea of may

[torpid kiln]

He started seeding it everywhere as part of his research in which he revered plasmium as a miracle substance, before switching to outright mindless worship as the lifeblood took him over more and more. This is almost exactly what happened in the white ward on a much larger scale

[viscid tendon]

Actually... https://x.com/i/status/2050803914740465748

Matthew Griffin (@griffinmatta)

@HollowTired 🧐

X · May 3, 2026, 5:05 AM

[viscid tendon]

Lol

[still osprey]

It's possible but I wouldn't count on it

[narrow bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-thinking-in-though-agreeing-gif-8805500278928097826

I can think on sea of sorrow trailer today

or tomorrow

[golden crater]

SEA OF SORROW

SEA OF SORROW IS REALLLLLL

[still osprey]

Sea of Sorrow is literally coming out tomorrow

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-undertale-memes-sans-papyrus-gif-24074771

[terse heart]

guys maybe we should ping ari since he's online right guys

[golden crater]

Please no i have an exam

[narrow bramble]

We are DLC BELIEVERS

[cedar bluff]

dlc for ANYTHING is peak

[lusty grove]

I'm checking his dialogue, and it doesn't seem like that
it's hard to explain exactly how I see it, but the way I think, Lifeblood doesn't tell anyone to do anything, but it does affect your mind and make you like Lifeblood even more. Not in the "mindless worship" kind of way tho

[lusty grove]

also I feel like the Wormways also getting plasmified is important to Zylotol going "insane"

[terse heart]

is this on good pace for the achievement

[torpid kiln]

Ok what I mean by mindless worship is just the progressive influence and eventual takeover of the lifeblood over his mind

[lusty grove]

this, I mean

[narrow bramble]

We believe on city of steel dlc
We believe on Black barrens dlc (or any other idk)
We believe on PHARLOOM GODMASTER dlc

[lusty grove]

he's seeing the beauty of Lifeblood and the Lifeblood he already consumed and is now affecting his mind is helping him go insane over it

[toxic vigil]

definitely

[cedar bluff]

we believe in PEAK

[narrow bramble]

We also believe on unused enemies and bosses

[lusty grove]

I don't think an eventual takeover would ever happen
at most, he'd die and the only thing keeping his body alive would be the Lifeblood, but then he wouldn't have any will to devote to anything

[cedar bluff]

SOUNDTRACKS

[lusty grove]

like Zango. Zango doesn't "worship" Lifeblood in any way, they just kinda exist

[cedar bluff]

so we punish him for existing bruh

[narrow bramble]

This is why we are
SILKSONG DLC BELIEVERS

[lusty grove]

not uncommon for Hornet to do

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-flea-awoo-absolute-cinema-absolute-awoo-gif-13929526023089152064

[wicked mica]

chat i just escaped the volcano

holy peak game

[lusty grove]

also yes, he doesn't pose any real threat to us as we can always just walk away

[torpid kiln]

Zylotol is going to end up like the mossy vagabonds or the glowing womb aspid in hk

[narrow bramble]

Abyss escape?

[wicked mica]

yea

[lusty grove]

and he's not exactly targeting us either, we're just existing next to him while he does his own thing

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[wicked mica]

i dont think there can be a better 2d game than this ngl

[torpid kiln]

Zango is a corpse reanimated by a higher being’s influence. All we’re doing is giving Zango rest

[lusty grove]

yeah true, he ingested way too much Lifeblood and it will probably not be able to keep him alive as a zombie

too many vines and stuff

[torpid kiln]

Yeah Zango says he’s becoming a “source”

[odd hull]

Fr?

[golden crater]

cuphead comes pretty close ngl

[torpid kiln]

Which means once he transcends he will be the epicenter for the spread of lifeblood in the region

[golden crater]

but i agree

[lusty grove]

Zango says stuff?

[wicked mica]

its unbelievable a game this creative is made by 3 dudes

[torpid kiln]

I meant zylotol my b

[wicked mica]

giving end game credits and then popping act3 is so genius

[lusty grove]

I think he was referring to the gland

[golden crater]

im not sure

[lusty grove]

the gland that produces Plasmium from... uh... shell shards? I guess?

[torpid kiln]

I mean we have precedent for lifeblood spreading from the bodies of bugs who venerate it as we see with Joni

[golden crater]

plasmified savaged beastfly confirmed

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[heady iron]

why didn't tylenol realize his assistant was dead? is he stupid?

[lusty grove]

not just venerate it, Joni literally turned all of her blood into lifeblood

[lusty grove]

we literally tell him

[golden crater]

yes

[torpid kiln]

That’s what zylotol was doing as well once he started producing it. I’d be shocked if the gland he gave us was his only method for producing lifeblood

[cedar bluff]

all bugs are relatively stupid cuz of the small size that doesnt allow a human-like brain

[golden crater]

am i the only one who first thought that zylotol was based on an axolotl?

[cedar bluff]

cuz of the name?

[golden crater]

like an axolotl like bug

[deft wind]

how do u get access to vcs?

[torpid kiln]

It is a pretty easy parallel tbh

[lusty grove]

considering he "becomes unresponsive" after doing this, I wouldn't

[golden crater]

that and his head

[odd hull]

?tag permpsa

[white sail]

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[golden crater]

the little antenna things

[torpid kiln]

I think that’s just because he’s losing himself and becoming the source

Like how myla stops responding when overrun by infection or when the moss prophet gets overtaken by infection

[deft wind]

damn im only at 7 wild XD

[golden crater]

i have a crack pot theory

i think that lifeblood is a parallel to the infection

[lusty grove]

yeah you are correct he does lose himself he went absolute bananas

[golden crater]

the infection comes from the radiance which is a moth

[torpid kiln]

Hornet directly states this

[golden crater]

what if lifeblood comes from a butterfly higher being

[torpid kiln]

Oh I like this idea

[lusty grove]

"crack pot theory" and it's something literally said in-game

[cedar bluff]

butterfly makes sense actually

[golden crater]

there is a lot of butterfly imagery on lifeblood

[golden crater]

that not the theory

[lusty grove]

Plasmified Trobbio

[torpid kiln]

Cuz lifeblood has the butterfly motif, spawns in cocoons as well

[golden crater]

and the abyss creature we see in hollwo knight is just a caterpillar

[torpid kiln]

Big emphasis on metamorphosis

[lusty grove]

that implies Lifeseed is a kind of caterpillar

[cedar bluff]

metamorphosis?

[golden crater]

thats going to become a giant butterfly

[terse heart]

only 10 hours in

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-bounce-bouncing-jump-gif-27487642

[lusty grove]

Lifeblood is a butterfly-shaped plant

[torpid kiln]

Yeah transformation of life into something new

[golden crater]

god i am making a lot of typos

jesus christ

[lusty grove]

Eva is probably exaggerating here a bit cuz she says "vulgar image" when Lifeblood is most clearly beautiful

[golden crater]

So basically my theory is that this is actually meant to be a giant caterpillar thats going to turn into a radiance like butterfly

[cedar bluff]

it glows

[terse heart]

thats me fr

[cedar bluff]

wait

[lusty grove]

?

I mean yeah

[cedar bluff]

oh no i was just extending on what u just said

[lusty grove]

oh ok

[narrow bramble]

Bro is the abyss creature

[golden crater]

maybe it needs more lifeblood hosts in order to go through the metamorphosis

[torpid kiln]

It’s only beautiful to us because we can’t perceive its true essence, which is the only way Eva can see

[lusty grove]

...so that means Lifeblood is an asshole

[golden crater]

and when the pale king sealed it in the abyss, it was unable to gro

grow

[lusty grove]

Hallownest is the place with the highest concentration of Lifeblood that we know of

[torpid kiln]

It’s a force of nature driven by a higher being. You can’t flatten it into just being an asshole or a good guy, it’s more complex then that

[heady iron]

eva is just ugly and she's projecting

[golden crater]

which could be because thats where the higher being resides

[lusty grove]

that was a joke

[golden crater]

we dont see any infected lifeblood creatures like in silksong

and it is very scattered

[torpid kiln]

[wind mulch]

its blue

[odd hull]

That's true

[cedar bluff]

your blue now.

thats my attack!

[fiery burrow]

Lifeblood is unambiguously evil

[golden crater]

im so green

[toxic vigil]

the lifeblood isn't like the infection where its evil and attacks everything
its kinda a parasite and just turns bugs that attack into stronger bugs that attack

[cedar bluff]

Nyeh heh heh!

[wind mulch]

unambiguously blue

[broken seal]

[toxic vigil]

like its a parasite and does evil but evil isn't the goal

[vale whale]

lifeblood just exists

it isnt proactive

[wind mulch]

[fiery burrow]

It very well could be

[broken seal]

what is wrong with you... why are you blue?!

[vale whale]

your fault for eating the suspicious blue plant bro

[cedar bluff]

basically what an anti-hero is

[opaque sigil]

that is not what an anti hero is

[odd hull]

Helo disillusioned2. I struggled more than I should typing your name

[heady iron]

lifeblood is just like deadpool

[wind mulch]

lifeblood is a hero because it tries to kill hornet

[fiery burrow]

true

[broken seal]

Howdy pedra (Lilac)! I did not struggle typing your name.

[cedar bluff]

brotosynthesis

[opaque sigil]

somebody who does evil things in service of an ulterior motive is not an anti hero it's just a villain lol

[torpid kiln]

Yeah it’s a higher being lol

[cedar bluff]

brotosynthesis

[broken seal]

[torpid kiln]

The whole story arc of Silksong is that higher beings and their clashes with each other are what cause the ruin of the bugs caught beneath them

[wind mulch]

have we considered that lifeblood might be morally grey

[opaque sigil]

guys lex luthor did bomb some orphanages but he did it for money not for the love of the game

[wind mulch]

morally blue

[terse heart]

guys do you think sherma is still wearing that stupid ass hat underneath

[wind mulch]

what am i talking about

[cedar bluff]

brotosynthesis

[fiery burrow]

There are only 3 evil higher beings though

[heady iron]

money is bad

[toxic vigil]

how

[cedar bluff]

defo

[wind mulch]

theyre all named white lady

[fiery burrow]

one of them is

[odd hull]

I'm glad that is the case!

[fiery burrow]

...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant... 🥀

[wind mulch]

radiance isnt evil she simply went beast mode

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[opaque sigil]

radiance defenders are more common than you'd think

[cedar bluff]

not true the defenders completely forgot about her

[fiery burrow]

Radiance just made a Dark Comeback

[wind mulch]

i spoke to one not too long ago and it felt like pulling teeth

[fiery burrow]

She had to show PK how calculated her brightness really was

[heady iron]

"you will think us uncaring" and it's just a billion post-abortions

[opaque sigil]

ok but did they hit you with the "she's a god so her actions are automatically morally good and as a human you can't judge them" because that's a line I have seen and it's so funny

[fiery burrow]

the "justifiable genocide" guy 🗣️

[cedar bluff]

clover from undertale yellow

[fiery burrow]

well silksong revealed that's just normal for the fandom

[broken seal]

😭

[young saffron]

What is post abortion

[torpid kiln]

A beasts nature laid bare to all

[odd hull]

lmao

[tight viper]

Radiance didn’t mean to do all those bad things, she just wanted to be loved! We should all forgive her and think of her constantly. We should all just dream about the Radiance all the time, and we should do nothing else. We should become vessels for the Light. Radiance. Radiance.

[young saffron]

Is that just not murder

[heady iron]

I'm on the radiance's side because she's female

[torpid kiln]

I’d apply that to radiance as well as silk because they were both sealed by the machinations of a different power that wanted control over their dominion, and then as they tried to break free from their prisons they ended up wreaking havoc on the kingdom

[toxic vigil]

moss prophet textbox

[wind mulch]

i dont mind when people argue that her faculty of reason would be uninterpretable or whatever its when mfs try and say she was actually morally justified based on what the pale king "did" and shit

[tight viper]

*Pale King

[terse heart]

but why not gms

[harsh yarrow]

its interesting, as its clearly paralleling the infection we see in Hallownest
Though, in Hallownest, it seems to be far more... sedate? passive?
Least when we find Hallownest, Hornet clearly suggests that it was allowed to flourish in Deepnest and it mutated shit similarly

[heady iron]

have you considered the enlightened stance that maybe both sides are wrong?

[torpid kiln]

In a fight between divas you don’t pick the diva’s abusive parent

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-allen-white-the-bear-point-gif-16166443082381024478

[cedar bluff]

both sides arent wrong, ALL SIDES ARE WRONG

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-absolute-cinema-a-guy-gif-7719966734167801090

[torpid kiln]

Yeah it’s the higher beings that cause all these damn problems to begin with

[fiery burrow]

not all higher beings

[harsh yarrow]

I guess what made it easy to manage is that Lifeblood is a physical thing, and not caused primarily by thought/dreams?

[cedar bluff]

everything is wrong

[tight viper]

Unn seems chill

[fiery burrow]

its like billionares

[cedar bluff]

you're wrong

[wind mulch]

not all higher beings ✊

[cedar bluff]

im wrong

[harsh yarrow]

So, just burn the bulbs when they come up, and its solved
...cant really do that with bugs brains though

[broken seal]

Unn catching strays 💔

[cedar bluff]

this random is wrong

[torpid kiln]

That’s why hornet’s decision to reject domination and remain free from a shackled world is so monumental, she’s going against her nature to create a better world for the bugs she’s met in pharloom

[heady iron]

yeah well unn doesn't do anything about the others so she's just as guilty as the rest of them

[tight viper]

What could she possibly do lol

[harsh yarrow]

part of me kinda wishes they kept Weaver Queen as the "true" ending

[tight viper]

She’s not as powerful as them

[heady iron]

a few bad apples spoils the whole bunch

[misty drum]

I was fighting seth in my steel soul run and my wanderer crest crit 3 times in a row like DAMN

[fiery burrow]

weaver queen would've been kinda unsatisfying imo

[opaque sigil]

it would be a pretty bad true ending

[tight viper]

She’s a slug who likes dreaming about grass and shit

[harsh yarrow]

Strung to Serve makes more sense for why GMS wants Hornet, shes wants to bind her power to grow stronger

[harsh yarrow]

I dont know

[fiery burrow]

RIP strung to serve though Wyrm GMS was way cooler than Hornet GMS

[tight viper]

Vyrmm make up your damn mind, lmao

[broken seal]

If a triple homocide takes place outside your house while you were sleeping, and there was nothing you could have done had you been awake, then you are not guilty for allowing the deaths to happen.

[opaque sigil]

weaver queen is hornet taking over and perpetuating a cycle of violence and domination

[harsh yarrow]

its ambiguous, and the effort needed to get it would've probably changes the context of it massively

[heady iron]

yeah

[torpid kiln]

This guy gets it

[wind mulch]

that sounds like something hornet would do

[fiery burrow]

true

[harsh yarrow]

We dont really know that for sure

[wind mulch]

i do

[opaque sigil]

oh yes we do

[harsh yarrow]

Do I agree with it, yes, I do

[torpid kiln]

Her dialogue with the caretaker and abyss lace contradict this

[cedar bluff]

no

[wind mulch]

she was lying

whatever she said

[torpid kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[harsh yarrow]

But its not clear how much binding GMS truely changes Hornet, or least, how much it did before Strung to Serve was cut

[fiery burrow]

Should weaver queen have been like the one ring where you can't resist binding GMS's power once you're in the situation

[tight viper]

Probably

[opaque sigil]

It's feelin' almost time, eh, bellringer? You and her who waits up there. That fated meeting won't hold forever... Ready to make your play, to oust one ruler and claim her place?

Hornet: I'll not deny some part of me desires that outcome... Dominance, it seems, is baked deep in my blood, as too, no doubt, for the one up top.
it's like explicitly the motivation for doing silk and soul that that's exactly what will happen

[heady iron]

silksong would've been so much better if gregory r r martin wrote it

[cedar bluff]

snail shamans are dumb for summoning the void on gms bruh also why dont we get to keep the snare setter or whatever its called its peak

[fiery burrow]

true cuz it wouldn't have released

[torpid kiln]

This is referring to the weaver queen ending

[broken seal]

karl marx

[torpid kiln]

Wait I misread your blurb at the bottom

[tight viper]

To be fair, they didn’t account for Lace. The whole problem is that Lace went down with her

[fiery burrow]

snare setter glaze is crazy am I missing out it seems so mid

[tight viper]

It’s a nuke

[opaque sigil]

yes it's what will happen in the weaver queen ending, silk and soul is to prevent that ending and that result

[cedar bluff]

ok but still the plan was mid

[harsh yarrow]

There is an older version of the dialog here also

[slow imp]

https://x.com/griffinmatta/status/2050803914740465748?s=46 WHAT

Matthew Griffin (@griffinmatta)

@HollowTired 🧐

X · May 3, 2026, 5:05 AM

[heady iron]

oh wait it was tolkien

[harsh yarrow]

But when it was planned, who knows

Now look at what you've done! Activated the old bells, the lot of'em and linked'em!
There they go, peeling out their sorrowful song, weakening our monarch, even as she wakes.
Hornet: You'd still remain cowled before me, sir? Your family is known to me, and no ordinary bug would dare ascend to this cradle. Don't you think it's past time you dropped the act of helpless pilgrim?
Gah! Curse you, Old One! Permit a bug their small disguise will ya! It's been a pleasant thing to play the fool! And I weren't calling for change, even if you insist on bringing it!
Hornet: Change was unavoidable, whether I arrived or not. The monarch stirs. My prescence [sic] only accelerates the inevitable.
So what is it your hopin [sic] to achieve, missy? Planning to usurp, aye? Want to become the new queen above us all, to string us up in your own beastly web? Surely it's the way of Weavers and gods both...```

[heady iron]

reading's for chumps anyway

[cedar bluff]

we already know this brotosynthesis

[harsh yarrow]

I just copy-pasted from the Wiki, looks like it ate some of the formatting

[opaque sigil]

this isn't the same dialogue

[broken seal]

it's fun to use correctly, it has insane aura when pulled off, and also voltpogos/toolpogos

[harsh yarrow]

Older version of the same- not the same
It was clearly intended to serve the same role

or well, a similar one

[tight viper]

Snare Setter is fun as hell in The Forum

[rocky jolt]

its called high halls gauntlet

[tight viper]

No

[torpid kiln]

It’s situationally great like the tacks or curveclaw and it has a ton of exploit usage

[opaque sigil]

much of that dialogue is still in the game just diced up and put in different spots

[broken seal]

No

[heady iron]

please take lore discussion to the proper channel #staff-furry-rp

[cedar bluff]

no its called the cringe

[tight viper]

You will call it the Forum and you will like it

[harsh yarrow]

yeah, the only part that got really cut is the function of the bells themselves

[toxic vigil]

850 total damage
340 dmg preplaced nukes

[harsh yarrow]

I perfered the old function of them, honestly

[toxic vigil]

also volt pogos

[opaque sigil]

and in any case it's pretty clear what the intent behind weaver queen was and even if you removed all dialogue it's obviously framed as a bad ending

[rocky jolt]

@ Mods is this true?

[tight viper]

Widow is actually Judas Iscariot’s self-insert

[cedar bluff]

volt filament plus shaman is peak fiction

[tight viper]

Shaman is peak fiction

[torpid kiln]

Yeah agreed, it’s a little lame to have so much buildup around them only to use em as doorbells

[harsh yarrow]

Its just interesting, as for a long while it was just Strung to Serve, Cursed, and Weaver Queen

[cedar bluff]

if they added 30 silk skills instead of 6 i would be happy oh wait no do 10 instead yea

[tight viper]

Shaman with Longclaw, Snitch Pick, and Sawtooth Circlet is the best way to enjoy Shaman

[torpid kiln]

It’s so fucking crazy to me that they just. Bolted on act 3 like a solid 5 years into development

[harsh yarrow]

Sister of the Void (or well, what became it) was something they had debated about from pretty early on, but we have 0 evidence that it was truely planned before the massive cuts in 2021 (Outside of the Diving Bell reaching its final position within 2020)

[opaque sigil]

oh no you can tell in the game that's what happened lol

[wind mulch]

that makes a lot of sense

[heady iron]

well it turned out great, look at all the aura farming and hype moments

[harsh yarrow]

Its not amazing, but I enjoyed it regardless

[torpid kiln]

Yeah the inconsistency in reasoning for the hearts and stuff makes this evident

[cedar bluff]

who is the target audience for this

[harsh yarrow]

I think TC has ample ability and time to improve on it though

[wind mulch]

we saved pharloom from another despot by killing everyone with void ✊✊✊

[broken seal]

things can still be very enjoyable even if ass

[harsh yarrow]

God, the problem with the hearts
Even in 2021, we have very little idea of what they fuck their role was

Khann, Nyleth, and Karm all existed- we know exactly were they were

(Clover Dancers probably also existed at the time, but because the Aspids = Verdania we dont see anything specifically tied to them)

[torpid kiln]

I think Silksong would’ve been a much cleaner game if it had been released in five years, proper QA testing, and at least a slight level of awareness from TC of how much hype surrounded the game

[heady iron]

proper qa testing meaning 500 more hours of playtesting from matt trobbiani

[torpid kiln]

These guys had too much time on their hand and it resulted in a fantastic game that is over engineered and lacking in narrative cohesiveness towards the end

[harsh yarrow]

Silksoul because its a mod we're just going to be making shit up for the Old Hearts, based on if it feels right

[wicked mica]

dude wtf is this coral tower. is there where this game becomes hard?

atleast give checkpoint T-T

[still osprey]

It's just colosseum again

[harsh yarrow]

Khann is gaurding a bell in the Coral Tower, Nyleth gives a significantly better Growstone (no steel soul exclusive stuff planned), Karm gets the final Pale Oil

[tight viper]

Yes, but only after the 7th gauntlet

[torpid kiln]

A finger on the monkeys paw curls down

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/d7j525dATgb.gif guys look. Dark and griddy

[cedar bluff]

u get a checkpoint after beating the 3rd gauntlet

[cedar bluff]

i thought this died in 2024

[wicked mica]

oh thats nice ig

i died on 3rd

[cedar bluff]

after the 3rd theres a 4th then the boss

boss is ez i ALMOST no hit em

[heady iron]

a true sigma would've done it first try

[toxic vigil]

[cedar bluff]

i thought the term "sigma" died in 2024

[torpid kiln]

I did khann second try cuz I was out of cogflies

[tight viper]

Signis brought it back

[toxic vigil]

coral tower is easy...
dissapointingly easy
hard to no hit because long

[rocky jolt]

i thought you died in 2024

[neat locust]

Yeah.

[barren dew]

Hi

[broken seal]

my death was... greatly exaggerated

[rocky jolt]

now i have become death

[cedar bluff]

average person that relies on only cogflies

[main urchin]

You know what’s weird? There’s no bosses in Underworks, and no bosses in Choral Chambers, but there’s 2 bosses in the Grand Gate.

[strange knot]

Waving emoji

[neat locust]

Warderer best Crest lwk.

[barren dew]

What are we talking about I wanna join

[silk pumice]

i did him only using cross stitch

[toxic vigil]

things

[heady iron]

we're glazing wanderer crest

[barren dew]

Yes WE

[cedar bluff]

cross stitch best silk skill no competition

[tight viper]

Why Shaman is peak

[rocky jolt]

theres also no bosses in coral gorge.. guess why 😂😂😂😹😹😹

[barren dew]

Fascinating

[cedar bluff]

whos we

[barren dew]

Truth NUKE

[silk pumice]

it is really good

[cedar bluff]

it doesnt even EXIST

[tight viper]

The humble Rune Rage:

[barren dew]

You, me and everyone here

[strange knot]

Shaman crest❤️

[silk pumice]

thats why i dont use it normally

[cedar bluff]

that has 10% accuracy

[strange knot]

Silk spear and sharpdart

[neat locust]

Thought Lost Lace was gonna be Harder Icl.

[torpid kiln]

I rely on my pale hivesteel needle and use the flies to supplement