sk-discussion

[old compass]

skong wins because the ost is named reprieve

[tight viper]

It wasn’t as bad as I first thought it would be. The platforms were awful but the fight itself was actually pretty enjoyable. Patience was key, so was keeping up any momentum I gained. If she kept spawning left, I could chain attacks between spawns. If she went to the other side of the arena, I sat back and airstalled until I could chain pogos on the circlets to stay afloat while waiting for an opening. Couldn’t force progress, had to play reactively. Pale Nails should make short work of her, though

[silk monolith]

is palestag related to old stag

[old compass]

no

[silk monolith]

both are beautiful

[mystic phoenix]

@grim forum

[odd hull]

Is the unravelled upside down bc of the floorless thing

[silk monolith]

floorless unravelled would be a pain

[rocky jolt]

voltvyrm ceilingless

[grim forum]

Glitch i discovered

[remote jungle]

Yk that treadmill glitch

[grim forum]

Using 2 evo hunter charge attack

Wait was it alr discovered?

Brb

[grim forum]

Nah

[tight viper]

Nope, completely unrelated

[odd hull]

I will hc it otherwise

[tight viper]

Pretty fun, tbh. I enjoy pogoing between the spears

Why is there no hk thumbs up emote

[trim estuary]

[tight viper]

That’s a checkmark that’s not a thumbs up

[trim estuary]

I disagree

[tight viper]

I disagree that you disagree

[opaque sigil]

see clearly a check mark

[mystic phoenix]

bro

[odd hull]

Here, a thumbs up

[real hearth]

[light swan]

wait tammo i forgot have you palyed rthe ender lilies games

[unkempt prairie]

Ender lilies is great but the combat felt lacking

[old compass]

ragerageragerage

[severe schooner]

Poor lace

[patent warren]

I'm stuck, i got the clawline and the Door i went in doesn't open anymore so idk where to go, i went up but there's no Door there

[old compass]

up up up up

[patent warren]

Yes, i went there i think

There's Just an useless ring

[tight viper]

Spider Strings deserves more love

[old compass]

uh, stay on the ring for 3 seconds

[orchid spruce]

Clawline the useless ring

[patent warren]

Oh okey

[fringe jungle]

hey guys

[unkempt prairie]

If ya want spoiler free help, try #sk-help

[silk monolith]

its mid

[tight viper]

It’s whimsical

[silk monolith]

i thought it would open more secret stuff so i had it on for the entire act 3 in my first run

[tight viper]

People gotta stop judging Spider Strings for its combat potential and shit

Judge it for how fucking cool it looks and sounds

[mystic phoenix]

and start judging by how useless it is

[silk monolith]

combat potential? i thought it was for exploration and i was wrong its js mid

[lavish apex]

it's for aura

[tight viper]

Judge it for how much easier it makes it to enjoy the many dialogue options Needolin opens

Judge it for its ability to make Hornet and Phantom sing an impromptu power ballad

[lavish apex]

it has no actual gameplay utility aside from making it slightly easier to see needolin dialogue (which isn't really gameplay utility)

[opaque sigil]

everyone uses the wiki for that shit anyhow

[tight viper]

People love compass despite it being literally useless in combat

[opaque sigil]

compass is useless in combat but does something

[lavish apex]

bad comparison!

[silk monolith]

ion love compass

[lavish apex]

really bad comparison

[tight viper]

And maps exist online, compass is pointless. But it isn’t. And Spider Strings is the same

[lavish apex]

knowing where you are on the map is pretty helpful

[unkempt prairie]

Who needs compass

[silk monolith]

compass more like never used it after my 2nd run

[mystic phoenix]

i believe i havent bought map even once after i finished my first run

[unkempt prairie]

Heck i didn't even buy any map on my first run!

[silk monolith]

i had to buy a map for the zi quest so i js buy way later

[opaque sigil]

it's helpful on a first playthrough, spider strings is helpful never

[unkempt prairie]

It is a cool tool

[opaque sigil]

it should do something

[mystic phoenix]

did you draw a map irl or were you using interactive map on your first run

[opaque sigil]

anything

[unkempt prairie]

It was a joke...

[mystic phoenix]

ok

[unkempt prairie]

I just stopped buying maps after my 5th run. I don't really put too much effort in learning the map so that's how long it took me to naturally remember everything

[tight viper]

Compass has no combat usage, but people it because it stops you from getting lost. Spider Strings has no real combat usage, and yet people don’t love it for how fun it is to hear all of these amazing characters and creatures sing? For the lore value it has? For the whimsical fun and joy it enables? To place Spider Strings in F tier is to declare whimsy to be dead. To declare the wonders of this game as blasé. Where has the wonder and love for this wonderful game and its wonderful world vanished to? Spider Strings is not a tool of violence, it is an enabler of awesome guitar soloes and moments of pure, unadulterated aura.

[silk monolith]

yeah its a huge world but its easy to remember

[opaque sigil]

no usage and no combat usage are different things

[tight viper]

My comparison is perfect, it simply needed elaboration

[mystic phoenix]

im just lazy to buy all that things for maps and maps themselves

[lavish apex]

you can in fact just do that without strings

[silk monolith]

you can have whimsy with the scuttlebrace

[lavish apex]

it's not even very hard

[tight viper]

But it isn’t as good

[opaque sigil]

spider strings has no usage combat or otherwise, compass does

[tight viper]

Go listen to Phantom sing with it and without it

[vast grove]

when is sea of sorrroooowwwwwww

[tight viper]

You can’t enjoy their singing without Spider Strings

[mystic phoenix]

never

[opaque sigil]

?sspsa

[white sail]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[unkempt prairie]

Tomorrow

It's always tomorrow

[silk monolith]

july trust

[vast grove]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-kawaii-cute-aww-meme-gif-11815839829692875447

[tight viper]

And listen to the background it adds to the Needolin! It’s divine, truly.

[vast grove]

aw man wheres my img perms

[silk monolith]

you never had them

[unkempt prairie]

Team Cherry: We decided that this DLC deserve it's own game!

[vast grove]

💔

[silk monolith]

nah july trust

[tight viper]

To hear the Squirrms crying out their rejoices of their great futures as that divine choir echoes in the background… that alone cements this tool as great. Spider Strings is S tier. Everyone else is wrong and is ignorant of the joy it enables

[unkempt prairie]

I thought dlc was going to come out march... HK dlc releases just a few months after announcement...

[lavish apex]

no not really

[tight viper]

Give it a chance, play for the bugs of Pharloom

[unkempt prairie]

I get it, you like spider string

Good for you

[severe steeple]

zaza will bet a pet in act 4

[tight viper]

Sing! Dance! Rejoice in its splendor and renounce this hypocritical praise for the Compass

[mystic phoenix]

surely

[silk monolith]

zaza dying out there

[lavish apex]

you're an odd one

[unkempt prairie]

Zaza be with Sherma!

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's at least new ragebait

[tight viper]

I’m not odd, I’m exalted through this Silken Song

[severe steeple]

so what point of the game is sea of sorrow content actually gona be in. How are they gona throw a whole new area in there

[silk monolith]

why didnt zaza get voided

[unkempt prairie]

Is that why you ended up in whiteward?

[tight viper]

Take up your Spider Strings and join the choir!

[sharp slate]

ironcally the build i have been running for hitless

spider strings ftw

[severe steeple]

spider strings doing heavy lifting here

[tight viper]

YES! THIS! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN! Whimsy is not dead so long as the song remains!

We carry the song that so many others forsake

[severe steeple]

yellow tools useless!! aarr

[opaque sigil]

volt filament on wanderer peak

[grim forum]

Gms kinda ez so far

[tight viper]

It really is a good comparison though, seriously. These aren’t combat tools, they’re for quality of life. Compass makes navigating easier, Spider Strings makes listening to enemy Needolin dialogue and voice lines easier. There’s value in that

[lavish apex]

navigating is like a core aspect of the gameplay

not a side thing you can do for Some Lore with no actual incentive

[tight viper]

Lore value and atmospheric value are important

[lavish apex]

there's also a pretty big difference in that
compass is giving you a feature that doesn't exist in the game by default

[unkempt prairie]

This spider string thing still going? Damn. There's no useless tool

[tight viper]

Spider Strings makes it easier to enjoy the small details added to this beautiful game

[lavish apex]

while strings is just slightly expanding the range of a thing you can do anyways

[orchid spruce]

I'm gonna finish GRIME today, I hope

[lavish apex]

no there are definitely useless tools

[orchid spruce]

I've been stuck with the same 5 metroidvanias on my list, gotta add a new one

[lavish apex]

we aren't pretending dead bug's purse is good

[opaque sigil]

pop

[tight viper]

Team Cherry put so much love into the world-building, and many of the voice lines are amazing. Spider Strings makes these easier to enjoy. Surely you recognize the value of that

[orchid spruce]

I wishlisted POPTLC

[tight viper]

It’s not practical value, but its value nonetheless

[orchid spruce]

Its price is too high atm

[lavish apex]

no i don't really sorry

[orchid spruce]

its lowest price is still very pricey for me

anyways, GRIME

[tight viper]

Give it a shot, then. It’s fun, beautiful at times. Phantom has an amazing singing voice

[lavish apex]

no because that's not fun

[opaque sigil]

it's better than spider strings

like infinitely

[lavish apex]

yeah probably

but that's part of the subject of debate rn

[opaque sigil]

more like subject of da bait

[orchid spruce]

you can't divide by 0

[tight viper]

I agree that Spider Strings is practically useless, but I don’t care about the practicality. People shouldn’t care about the practical value of everything. That’s just boring

[orchid spruce]

so true

[opaque sigil]

but you can divide by the limit of x as x approaches 0

[lavish apex]

yeah i also don't care about its impractical value because you can still freeze guys without it and i don't really play these games for the lore anyways

[orchid spruce]

limit of x as x approaches 0 = 0, so you can't divide by it anyways !

[lavish apex]

it's like near the bottom on the list of the things i care about

in them

[opaque sigil]

as in limy/x x->0 or however you write ts

[tight viper]

The lore is so good though

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/risada-risada-meme-gif-1808894066457451256

[orchid spruce]

lim_{x \to 0} y/x = \infty for y \in R^{+}

[ancient mortar]

It was neat that dream nail had combat utility, though frankly i don't think it was ever that useful outside of a few fights.

[ancient mortar]

but if something needs combat utility i think its both the games super dash abilities. because those are basically only used for progression gates and don't do anything else.

[lavish apex]

dream nail/wielder isn't good in combat either and that's fine

outside of like maybe failed champ

[opaque sigil]

wielder is like
ok

it's just not good

[ancient mortar]

I wouldn't mind an added combat utility to needolin, maybe a blue tool or smthn, but not needed at all

[opaque sigil]

and you can use every notch on good charms

[lavish apex]

wielder does let you cheese soul from normal enemies a bit faster at least

[tight viper]

I wish Needolin had combat utility, but at the end of the day, it’s not Dream Nail and it was never going to be Dream Nail. Dream Nail exists because essence exists, essence is connected to soul. Dream Nail collects essence and therefore it collects soul, while Needolin expends Silk. It wouldn’t make sense for it to give you Silk.

[ancient mortar]

What i really want is super jump to have some kind of other utility

idk how that would even work tho

[tight viper]

Double Super Jump

[ancient mortar]

maybe just give us some crazy damage if you can land it during a bossfight, that would be funny

[silk monolith]

silksoar\

[orchid spruce]

There are a lot of cool possible ideas

[lavish apex]

i don't care about silk soar tbh

[silk monolith]

silksoar does dmg

[ancient mortar]

Playing look outside cursed mode atm and man is this shit so much harder

I do love it when games have difficulty modes that drastically change the gameplay instead of just making enemies tankier and deal more damage

[silk monolith]

the trick is you need to look on the inside

[tight viper]

There’s always ideas

[ancient mortar]

Technically thats what you do the whole game

since you are exploring an apartment complex

[orchid spruce]

what's so difficult about it, just look outside

[ancient mortar]

you are right its a fairly easy game

can't believe 26.2% of players didn't do this immediatly upon opening the game tbh

[opaque sigil]

probably a lot of people who bought and didn't play it

[ancient mortar]

I mean to be fair the game makes it immediately clear looking outside is a bad idea

but most people are curious enough to get the game over anyway

[silk monolith]

oh lmao

[lavish apex]

is this a horror game?

[opaque sigil]

it's called don't look outside obviously you're gonna get the game over state right away

[ancient mortar]

theres no don't in the title

[light swan]

im playing through ender lilies rn

10/10 music

[silk monolith]

ender i hardly know her

[lavish apex]

is it like

fun
though

[opaque sigil]

I started my xc1 playthrough and actually haven't been hating the combat something might be wrong with me

[light swan]

theres nothing wrong with xc1 combat

[lavish apex]

me too brother

[light swan]

anytways the character feels super sluggish combat is aight but thats fine considering its the beginning, designs and animations look ai generated and the movement makes exploration not the best

i still love it though, great so far

[lavish apex]

i like xc1 combat
it just really isn't as good as what's in the other ones

for the most part

[ancient mortar]

kind of? its an rpg similar to something like off, lisa or omori. Its very funny and has a cartoony style, but it also has horror themes and visuals. Heavy on the body horror (think like john carpenters the thing as reference) and cosmic horror as well. The game never scared me much and doesnt really rely heavily on cheap jumpscares, its just got a spooky atmosphere and disturbing visuals.

[light swan]

im 1 and a half hours in so far

[lavish apex]

interesting

[light swan]

im not so sure itll get better from here

so when it does, ill be pleasantly surprised

[ancient mortar]

Look outside is one of the most interesting cosmic horror games because it doesnt take itself too seriously but still manages to be extraordinarily dark at times.

and heartwarming at points too

[lavish apex]

that sounds like a strange combination of descriptors

[ancient mortar]

it also gets updated pretty consistently so theres a fuckload of content

[ancient mortar]

its a strange game, its an interesting balance of comedy/horror.

[light swan]

playing all these games is making me appreciate mio and silksong so much more

and afterimage of course

[orchid spruce]

i trust ender lilies to be good

[light swan]

its probably not as good as youre expecting

[orchid spruce]

94% recommended is very high

steam reviews surprisingly reflect some games quite well, except MIO

idk why MIO has 85%

[ancient mortar]

Yeah a lot of metroidvanias don't really speak to me, the first one i think i beat was blasphemous, then laika, then hk, then silksong, then mio. And those are generally all of my most liked mvs

[opaque sigil]

healing system, tremors if I had to guess

[opaque sigil]

waiting patiently for the pop arc

[odd hull]

have fun!!

[light swan]

im sorry ender lilies was on sale

[lavish apex]

afterimage is just

such a strange piece

[orchid spruce]

it's a game that exists

[opaque sigil]

it's ok star picked up pop so I have somebody to live vicariously through for now

[ancient mortar]

Im surprised it was that low, mio was one of the best mvs in my book, probably my second or third favorite.

[lavish apex]

the game of all time

[light swan]

games that dont try to please everyone often are the funnest games

[ancient mortar]

Has anyone played everhood yet?

[opaque sigil]

steam reviews are also just a bad metric

[ancient mortar]

im still the only everhood glazer

[lavish apex]

no sorry

[orchid spruce]

mio is just the best metroidvania of all time for me, though my top 1 favourite is still nine sols because i love the community

[lavish apex]

i will eventually

[light swan]

grover has, i know grover has great opinions on everhood especially the second one

[opaque sigil]

(yes this is cherrypicked no I don't care)

[orchid spruce]

no way

[ancient mortar]

its funny because everhood is so far from a perfect game so i don't expect everyone who plays it to like it but i do think its one of my all time favorites.

[light swan]

i enjoy games that arent flawless but are still relaly good

higher highs, with some lows

[ancient mortar]

I wish i enjoyed eh2 as much as grover, im honestly kind of jealous. Its a game i really wanted to love.

[light swan]

anyway back to modding

[lavish apex]

hld and hk1 are probably as close to flawless games as anything i play will ever be in my eyes

[sharp slate]

the way they do difficulty isnt for everyone, its a strange way of difficulty

[ancient mortar]

Maybe i should give eh2 another chance

do a challenge run or something

[light swan]

part of why hk is only my 6th or 7th gavorite game

[orchid spruce]

i probably got good enough at metroidvanias to love mio as much as i did

[orchid spruce]

replying ^

[light swan]

flawless but doesnt reach the same peaks

[lavish apex]

idk i think it hits some pretty crazy peaks

sorry the glaze is too strong

[light swan]

ultimately i have a different opinion

[ancient mortar]

Im still shocked rain world has over 90% positive reviews. Its an incredible game i just thought it would be more divisive

[orchid spruce]

just have consistently decent bosses then throw in the best boss ever at the end

[light swan]

most people who dont enjoy rain world dont play it enough to make a review

[orchid spruce]

it's the recipe to success

[remote jungle]

Do you have any tips on defeating the hand

[ancient mortar]

probably a fair point, have you played it yet btw?

[light swan]

make use of your iframes

[lavish apex]

i think overall mio is probably a better game than silksong

[sharp slate]

I have yet to try rain world, on the list

[orchid spruce]

parry, parry, parry

[lavish apex]

even if it doesn't have things that appeal to me in quite the same way

[light swan]

still only 3 hours in

[ancient mortar]

its good esp if you like very obscure tech

[light swan]

been occupied with other games that im more engaged with

[sharp slate]

storywise I agree, mechanically/combat heck no imo

[light swan]

feels like i have to force myself to play rain world which is completely fine

[orchid spruce]

MIO is so stupidly well-rounded, except its story's presentation

[light swan]

what a divisive game

[orchid spruce]

Why is this random ass robotslop so well-rounded

[ancient mortar]

I need to play resident evil 2 remake again, i heard theres a mod that makes the game impossibly hard and the concept of that sounds fun. Rpd with like 8000 zombies in it or some shit

[light swan]

i dont think mio is well rounded

[lavish apex]

way fewer flaws i would say

[orchid spruce]

wdym not well-rounded

[ancient mortar]

I thought it was quite well rounded honestly

[orchid spruce]

what category does it even suffer in

[ancient mortar]

there were very few low points in mio

[orchid spruce]

i think its weakest category is story, but it's still decent

[ancient mortar]

only like 2 bosses i disliked

[sharp slate]

Eh, I could probably come up with a sizable list for both imo, though im harsher on silksong because i played hk so much

[lavish apex]

more rewarding exploration and better map design, no mechanics that encourage grinding

no terrible fetch quests

[orchid spruce]

don't forget sniff quests

they really love these

[opaque sigil]

if anything mio is more well rounded than silksong which really only does combat particularly well

[light swan]

id say the healing system is very divisive

[ancient mortar]

Hmm, i liked a lot more than combat about skong

[light swan]

stuff regarding hp is very divisive

[sharp slate]

I felt like it was mandatory for me to look up a map but for getting all achievements in mio which i didnt feel was a thing in skong

[light swan]

i hear a lot of complaints about the game

[orchid spruce]

that's not a category

[light swan]

its parts of the game

parts of the game that some people dont like

[orchid spruce]

it's just confusing how MIO is this divisive, but I try to understand people's POV

[ancient mortar]

I enjoyed most things about silksong, I felt mio did some things better and some things worse but i think they are both largely games i don't have a dramatic amount of issues with

[lavish apex]

better platforming design within the confines of the mechanics the game sets up

[light swan]

blebbles for example enjoys the movement much less

the game doesnt gear itself towards good players, as we can tell from bwb

and ash kinda dislikes the game or smth i dont really know

nubbie hates every inch of the game (joke)

[ancient mortar]

I enjoyed mios movement a lot more, interesting

[light swan]

i think mio is perfect in almost every way

[orchid spruce]

mio is better enjoyed by good players, i thought?

[opaque sigil]

mio def has more interesting abilities

[sharp slate]

I don't dislike it, I think its a very good game, not to heights of silksong though because i value its combat mechanics signifcantly more

mechanics is 90% of what i care for in a metroidvania

[light swan]

clearly its a divisive game and that means its not well rounded

[ancient mortar]

I think i lost a lot of enjoyment by how fast bosses died, with skill at the genre and a decent build i felt a lot of the fights didn't have nearly enough health.

[light swan]

also im the only person who enjoys mio's combat this much

[opaque sigil]

that's not really what that word means

[orchid spruce]

oh yeah, that, i thought that's fine, i didn't mind the easy bosses

[ancient mortar]

I think mios combat mechanics are very good, i think its a boss/enemy design issue only for me

[sharp slate]

one thing mio does good for mechanics is aerial combat/flying enemies imo

[light swan]

maybe not but i feel like my meaning still comes across

[orchid spruce]

i only hate stupid bosses

HK/SS has quite a collection of those

[opaque sigil]

I mean clearly it doesn't

[lavish apex]

i like silksong's combat and movement and boss design more than mio's overall but it has its lows with the combat and bosses

like i don't think any of mio's combat mechanics feel as poorly designed as red tools do for example

[ancient mortar]

I understand what illusion is saying, i just disagree. I think a game can be perfectly well rounded and also divisive.

[orchid spruce]

act 3's menacing existence singlehandedly brings the entire game down

[sharp slate]

It could just be the amount of content as well tbh, silksong has a signficantly higher amount of bosses bound to be some meh ones

[opaque sigil]

silksong has some terrible ones

[ancient mortar]

I actually liked act 3, but probably mainly as i like difficult bosses

i think it has a lot of flaws tho

[opaque sigil]

act 3 has like two difficult bosses

[lavish apex]

also yeah silksong bosses get a lot worse than mio's

[sharp slate]

modifiers imo, it felt like minor spoilers MIO ||It felt like everything i purchased was just bad imo from mel or at least 90% of it||

[light swan]

it sucks being the only person to really enjoy a game 💔

[orchid spruce]

coincidentally the two best bosses

[lavish apex]

and not like That much better

at the peak

[sharp slate]

I felt like i could go through the whole game without giving a shit about modifiers tbh

[opaque sigil]

ll is not one of the two best bosses by a mile

[lavish apex]

although the average quality might still be higher idk

[ancient mortar]

at least 3 toughies not counting optional bosses.

[orchid spruce]

in silksong**

[odd hull]

It does

[gray nova]

Hey, how long does it take a really bad player (who's already beaten Hollow Knight to 112) but REALLY BAD to 100% complete Silksong?

[opaque sigil]

she's not one of the two best bosses in silksong she isn't even the best lace boss

[orchid spruce]

how can either of them possibly surpass egg

[ancient mortar]

I think most people here who played enjoyed mio a significant amount

[odd hull]

probably around 50~60h?

[orchid spruce]

lost lace is more controversial, i understand. i just really liked her as a boss (not as a final boss, why are we fighting voided lace)

[light swan]

all im hearing is complaints

[remote jungle]

Roughly 50 or 60h

[sharp slate]

I think on average MIO bosses on average are okay to low good , but i dont think bad bosses in silksong drag silksongs bosses below good

[ancient mortar]

I think i have a similar amount of complaints for skong as i do mio, and both are in my top 3 mvs

[light swan]

and in the end, genuinely everyone i know thinks mio combat is aight

maybe good

[orchid spruce]

MIO combat is peak

[remote jungle]

I was pretty bad at hk but 100% skong in around 70hrs

[ancient mortar]

we were talking about its flaws as the topic tbf

[orchid spruce]

I like NS combat more but MIO combat is peak

[lavish apex]

blue tools are a better analogue to that and i think are way more broadly underwhelming than mods tend to be

[ancient mortar]

Mods is a more interesting system than tools id say

[old compass]

ok I'm gonna have to buy mio to see what all the talks are about

[lavish apex]

while being more restrictive

[ancient mortar]

mainly as negative mods are a great addition

[opaque sigil]

mods are a great system

[ancient mortar]

i think my only issue with mods is how busted you can make yourself, but thats why i want a hard mode

Like a really hard mode

so i can use them without feeling bad

[sharp slate]

I just disagree with that, though opinion based, felt like there is more variety with blue tools imo

[ancient mortar]

But the all negative mods build is surprisingly fun

[opaque sigil]

mods have a ton of variety

[odd hull]

Have fun

[sharp slate]

I think they are more interesting but doesn't feel impactful intially i think maybe thats it

[orchid spruce]

up is silksong, below is MIO

[sharp slate]

You can critize something that you enjoy

[ancient mortar]

The worst aspects of silksong to me are still largely red tools and missed opportunities in act 3, and some questionable writing choices

[sharp slate]

if I didnt enjoy the game I just wont talk about it at all, thats how you know its a bad game for me

[lavish apex]

i love mio man

i also love silksong
probably more

[ancient mortar]

Yeah im generally more critical of things i like

[light swan]

theres a reason why i said really

[sharp slate]

I'll probably replay MIO at some point, but not really that replayable imo, i look forward to getting some people ik to try it though

[vivid belfry]

MIO is top 25 good, silksong is top 5 good

[orchid spruce]

hell naw

[light swan]

but when i say mio combat is fucking peak, 0 people agree with me except for maybe towel and idk some people in miocord

[ancient mortar]

I don't think either are in my top 10 honestly, but most of my faves arent metroidvania.

[remote jungle]

Why are we talking about mio in skong discussion anyways

[limber kettle]

I DID IT GUYS! SILKSONG 100% !!

[light swan]

which sucks when its my favorite part of the game

[limber kettle]

This is my first time playing

[orchid spruce]

congats

[lavish apex]

we are also talking about silksong we are comparing games that share genres

[limber kettle]

I loved it!

[opaque sigil]

I don't have a rigid top 10 but mio is if not in it maybe close

[sharp slate]

I honestly dont have the ability to make the a top x, but mio and silksong are defintely higher up for me for different reasons though

[odd hull]

Congrats!

[limber kettle]

tqqqqqqq

[sharp slate]

I honestly don't think any game i have played can lay a fucking finger on the mechanics of silksong though which is so weird

[limber kettle]

tqqqqqq

[remote jungle]

How much hrs

[opaque sigil]

silksong just shoots itself in the foot repeatedly for no reason

[vivid belfry]

play ultrakill

[ancient mortar]

I think the combat system is very great actually, i just want more complex bosses and basic enemies to use it on. I think though, mio has some fights that contend for my top 3 mv bosses, and i would say those encounters are peak.

[limber kettle]

100 change

[light swan]

also everyone around me doesnt like silksong as much as i want them to

[lavish apex]

mechanics is a really really vague word there

[sharp slate]

maybe, not sure if its my style of game from what i have seen

morbid metal has really solid mechanics for an EA game but it needs more fleshing out, but early access so we will see

[ancient mortar]

I suspect once people play everhood they wont like it nearly as much as i do, its a very niche game

[vivid belfry]

but yeah, silksong's mechanics are extremely strong

[onyx python]

no one likes silksong NO ONE

[somber ledge]

Hello, skong help is dead. I am trying to locate a place called "voltnest". I don't wanna know it's exact location but I just need to know, is the enterance in the putrified ducts? I scrounged around a bit but didn't find anything. I don't want to fully explore the ducts for it to turn out fruitless I hate it here so much.

[ancient mortar]

But i still think its incredible

[lavish apex]

it is not in putrified ducts

[somber ledge]

The ducts is the worst thing to come out of this game

[onyx python]

if someone says thhat silksong is a good game they are either brainwashed by the pilgrims or they are lying

[ancient mortar]

Im honestly considering giving eh2 another chance

[sharp slate]

I remeber you talking about that, its on my list for the future, definetely gonna try it

[light swan]

silksong is a good game

[somber ledge]

Also thank you blebbles. I will be on my way.

[sharp slate]

it is not in putrified ducts

[ancient mortar]

If i've completed a game i usually think its a good game.

[lavish apex]

silksong was kinda hard to love for me and i think mio was less so

[vivid belfry]

Don't say I never did anything for you, MIO fans, I sacrificed monster hunter to get you into this image

[odd hull]

Do you want to know the correct area?

[orchid spruce]

holy

put midsols out and put monster hunter back in

monster hunter deserves better

[opaque sigil]

it was monster hunter world it doesn't belong there

[ancient mortar]

it is funny that pretty much everyone who plays outer wilds immediatly has it in their top 10

[lavish apex]

there are so many strengths and so many stupid things that it has

[sharp slate]

outer wilds stll on my list, but pretty low, will get to it eventually tbh

[ancient mortar]

its just one of those games thats pretty hard to dislike

[opaque sigil]

when grover plays blue prince mio may be gettin booted

[light swan]

outer wilds is one of the best games of all time

[odd hull]

Rayman remembers me of good times

[ancient mortar]

My dad is currently playing the outer wilds dlc

[vivid belfry]

you won't have to wait that long, just wait until mina the hollower comes out

or I get my ass in gear and play look outside

[lavish apex]

outer wilds is not in my top 10

[ancient mortar]

Look outside is so peak

i like it more than omori

[lavish apex]

it might be in my top 25

[opaque sigil]

the best

[lavish apex]

i'm not sure

a lot about it was i think kinda not for me

[ancient mortar]

you've played it?

[light swan]

nope

[ancient mortar]

damn

[sharp slate]

This may not be a popular top game, but shoutout to

got it on sale, good story for the price

[ancient mortar]

I remember playing that on my ps4 a while back. Great game.

[vivid belfry]

outer wilds is peam and the only reason I have Omori ranked above it is because I value intimate interpersonal storytelling more than big picture stuff

and I didn't find the individual characters of outer wilds super memorable

[orchid spruce]

i like vague pseudointellectual games like slay the princess

[ancient mortar]

Thats fair

I like the characters but they arent really a focus at all

[lavish apex]

outer wilds spoilers-ish ||the physics took a lot of adjusting to and there were a lot of loops especially earlier on where i felt like i wasn't making progress. i also think one of the most important puzzles isn't very well designed. overall i'd still say it's really good though||

[orchid spruce]

boom

[light swan]

nice spoilers thank god i didnt look

all i read was physics

[lavish apex]

it wasn't anything specific

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/gravous-lrmite-the-office-michael-scott-look-gif-24306336

[ancient mortar]

i would definitely reccomend in stars and time, its heavily character focused. I probably have already reccomended that tho.

[sharp slate]

the game has physics in it

[opaque sigil]

waiting for grover to play blue prince

[orchid spruce]

outer wilds fans are coming for you bleb

[vivid belfry]

it's on my list

[light swan]

this is why mio is my goat

[remote jungle]

Never heard of outer wilds

[lavish apex]

don't try to hear more about it

probably just play it

[sharp slate]

it takes place in the outer edge of the wilds i would assume 😎

[vivid belfry]

I didn't really clock the interpersonal relationships in MIO and this exact line of reasoning is why I have nine sols so far above it

[ancient mortar]

Its a very good game, hard to say much without spoiling a lot as its a mystery game but its a blast. Beautiful art and music, about exploring a solar system and learing its history

[vivid belfry]

Nine Sols is a yap game and that's why Yi is such a good character study

[orchid spruce]

MIO NPCS are very forgettable, characters are better but still kinda forgettable

[lavish apex]

this yeah

[sharp slate]

I had a better connection to nine sols as well tbh, nine sols story hits hard, though it probably depends on expriences as well

[orchid spruce]

I love MIO for the exploration, combat and all that jazz, but definitely not the story

[ancient mortar]

I think i similarly felt mios characters needed more screentime, I liked several of them but wanted them to get more development and more presence in the ending.

[lavish apex]

i didn't like it as much as most people seem to but it's still 100% worthy of anyone's time i think

[ancient mortar]

I really adored mel tho

[light swan]

nine sols is still my 2nd favorite story of all time

[opaque sigil]

9s story did literally nothing for me idk

[light swan]

assuming all of xenoblade is 1 game

[quartz cave]

When will yall hop on POPTLC so this chat has 4 metroidvanias to talk about, and after, one good one for that matter

[spark crest]

Alright so can someone tell me

[light swan]

its really hard to rank things when almost everything will be 4th place

[opaque sigil]

ok that's kind of cheating

[ancient mortar]

my favorite story might be signalis? but i think thats largely due to the worldbuilding being so incredible

[remote jungle]

Peak pfp

[spark crest]

WHY IS WIDOW IN SILKSONG HARDER THAN RADIENCE

[light swan]

ok fine nine sols is my 4th favorite story

[vivid belfry]

I ranked the WTC games separaretly but they take place in different continuities

[orchid spruce]

you just consume more similar media, i suppose + taste

[quartz cave]

I tried to read it but it was such a yappathon even mashing the button couldnt keep me awake

[spark crest]

Ikr

[vivid belfry]

but also it doesn't matter because all of them got beat out by SAEKO

[sharp slate]

nine sols spoiler story late game ||The touching on life and death between Yi and Heng and the seen of them standing on pengali with all those flowers around them. I think this scene hits different on life experiences as well||

[light swan]

saying nine sols is my 4th favorite story doesnt hit the same

[ancient mortar]

Shes one of the big skill checks of the game yeah, you can come back to her a bit later after gathering some gear but shes meant to be a big challenge.

[remote jungle]

Tbh radiance harder

[spark crest]

No it's not cuh

It took me like 7 attempts for radience

[ancient mortar]

Strangely look outside was an extrememly touching story and has brilliant character writing.

[sharp slate]

its weird to me because MIO and Nine Sols both have amazing stories, but they just hit in different ways

[spark crest]

And I'm standing at 23 for widow

[ancient mortar]

Like i feel so much sympathy for every look outside npc.

[spark crest]

Yes

[orchid spruce]

Nine Sols Major very important spoilers ||If you could see through the game's presenting Eigong as a classic villian thing, you'd like the story way more, I think.||

[spark crest]

I counted

[vivid belfry]

I haven't gotten far enough to see this but I've seen hints of it through the tooth house

[light swan]

im in a weird spot where like

its like a speeper vs egg situation but with story

[spark crest]

No, because my ego is to high

[remote jungle]

I didn't even beat her yet

[odd hull]

Which 4

[lavish apex]

i'm not sure if i'm gonna play echoes of the eye

[spark crest]

And I want to beat it now

[light swan]

i absolutely love the character motivations and flaws of characters like speeper and sasuke and all the voices

[ancient mortar]

oh yeah tooth apartment gets dark, what parts of it did you do?

[light swan]

they impact me so much more than nine sols, except for yi and eggnog

[orchid spruce]

Nine Sols major spoilers ||Eigong is not just a classic villian and I know Nubbie thinks she is.||

[spark crest]

Radiance = easy as 🥧

[light swan]

but if im looking at it from a more "objective" stand point nine sols beats mio so much

[sharp slate]

Widow is a pretty big difficulty jump tbh in skong, shes alot faster than bosses faced before, longer fight as well

[orchid spruce]

I love Egg's character so much

[plush plover]

So true

[undone gate]

Base Radience is easy AbsRad is hard

[orchid spruce]

jumpscare

[vivid belfry]

I keep dying and not having the motivation to jump back in, first playthrough I got mogged by the mom, second playthrough I found nonviolent solutions to two of the kids and then left

[ancient mortar]

Nohit notools widow was a great challenge imo

[spark crest]

Yeah

[plush plover]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

[remote jungle]

[ancient mortar]

how many party members do you have?

[opaque sigil]

oh is it permadeath

[vivid belfry]

One

[ancient mortar]

no

[vivid belfry]

no but there's a mechanic that encourages going long stretches without saving

which I should perhaps not be engaging with on a first playthrough

[ancient mortar]

Yeah combat encounters before you start getting party members are brutal, but once you have a team it gets way easier.

[plush plover]

she is among my favorite vidya game characters of all time (like, top 3) and i love thinking very deeply about her and her motivations and circumstances

[ancient mortar]

Do you want a tip on how to get some helpful teammates?

[light swan]

i would glaze xenoblade but my goat isnt here to glaze it with me

[orchid spruce]

Nine Sols major spoilers ||Eigong, Eigong, Eigong, Eigong, Eigong, Eigong. She's the best Nine Sols character and the best boss. Stupid Eigong.||

[plush plover]

@light swan how did ender lilies go

[lavish apex]

is that me?

or tammo

[vivid belfry]

I think I've seen that ||you can recruit one of the tooth kids, but that didn't happen for me||

[light swan]

neither

[lavish apex]

or a secret 3rd person

[opaque sigil]

we are both here

[light swan]

1 and a half hours in and i love it

[vivid belfry]

sorry guys best character in fiction is Saeko

[lavish apex]

who's the other one in the cult

[ancient mortar]

||thats one option yeah but i was talking about a more general mechanic that you might have missed||

[opaque sigil]

the tellius games from fire emblem have goated storytelling but it might not work so well on somebody not familiar with the series in general

[light swan]

box shades who isnt in this server

[plush plover]

im starting to appreciate yi even more specifically because im thinking about him and his relationship with egg

[crisp raft]

whats up sk discussion
are we actually talking about sk discussion this time or not at all

[lavish apex]

nope sorry

[vivid belfry]

but Yi can get best protagonist I guess

unless I think of a better one

[vivid belfry]

sure go ahead

[plush plover]

Battler!

[lavish apex]

i've been wanting to get to these but unfortunately nintendo

[light swan]

😶

[light swan]

😶

[crisp raft]

when you walk into #sk-discussion thinking theres gonna be sk discussion but really it's just MIO/NS discussion

[vivid belfry]

Do not talk to me about xenoblade

[plush plover]

then create some silksong discussion

[lavish apex]

why

[weak depot]

200th crestslop discussion 🔥🔥🔥

[light swan]

i have an irrational love for xenoblaed and no one cares about it

[crisp raft]

no i would rather talk about mio/ns

[sharp slate]

yea it happens, i try to link my discussion back to skong

[vivid belfry]

this one I am rebuffing entirely, if fucking Beatrice the Golden Witch couldn't take her down, nobody can

[opaque sigil]

you can js emulate it

[plush plover]

then why even bring it up in the first place

[odd hull]

I can't take it anymore

[lavish apex]

i don't even know illusion's favorite xenoblade character actually huh

[plush plover]

god i keep forgetting about beatrice and then i remember her and its like

[ancient mortar]

||so one of the key mechanics of the game are door encounters, if you do time consuming activities in your apartment (playing games are the best option imo) you will recieve a knock on your apartment door, which leads to npc encounters, sometimes enemies, sometimes merchants, and sometimes potential party members, if combat encounters are giving you a lot of trouble early on you can avoid them or wait to get some party members from door encounters. Most party members are from door encounters||

[plush plover]

HOW did ryukishi concoct a character so peak ❓

[crisp raft]

the only times this channel is talking about silksong is in a back and forth of which crest is better

[light swan]

well think about it

[sharp slate]

Tbf people say there is nothing to discuss in silksong about crests and stuff, yet Unnnamed and I could literally talk for hours about mechnaics and bosses of silksong and different crests

[plush plover]

i need an umineko reread so bad im going insane

[light swan]

i love mio
who else loves mio

[opaque sigil]

mio is a great character

but grover plays vns

[lavish apex]

n
fascinating

[plush plover]

absolute cinema ❤️

[light swan]

realization leads to hope.... which in due time turns to despair....

[ancient mortar]

I could glaze the game design aspects of hunters crest for a while but thats the only crest im super passionate about

[light swan]

and the best protagonist is obviously noah 0 bias

[orchid spruce]

Oh yeah, I wanted to ask Grover for VN rec. Joined the VN discord server and it's all animeslop with a chance of nsfw

[vivid belfry]

Beatrice is probably also secure in her second place slot for peak characters in fiction

[plush plover]

TRUTH NUKE

[orchid spruce]

I've been trying to find a detective vn

[vivid belfry]

Third best is Princess what gets slayed, and she I think could be taken down

[vivid belfry]

I've got bad fuckin news buddy

[orchid spruce]

🙁

[opaque sigil]

I don't think you're escaping that with that medium

[lavish apex]

idk if anyone is dethroning 9s nier as my favorite protag

it's gonna be hard

[light swan]

nien sols nier

[lavish apex]

yorha no. 9 type S

[orchid spruce]

I'm fine with the art being anime, I'm talking moreso the writing. Can't be that hard to not write anime style & not show boobs right

[opaque sigil]

man I still gotta make myself sit through a full playthrough of nier

[vivid belfry]

my list

[lavish apex]

understandable that you couldn't

[orchid spruce]

I Can't Talk About This One??

[quartz cave]

Grover what even drove you into playing a game titled giantess dating sim

[lavish apex]

i replayed automata earlier this year and i was like damn this shit drags sometimes

but then i cried my eyes out at the ending again

[orchid spruce]

I checked Umineko out, I think it's like a 1960s japanese style art + text wall with no dialogue frame

Lemme check again

[lavish apex]

and it all felt worth it

[vivid belfry]

Siivagunner ripped the soundtrack and it was excellent, then I read the comments and somebody said their autistic friend said it was actually super deep

and you know what? that guy's autistic friend didn't know how right he was

[light swan]

i wish people liked xenoblade as much as i did

[sharp slate]

Fair, its just crazy how much room there is for discussion at high level play in this game. Its so cool seeing both someone else and I using to different crests with different builds. Everyone has their own level of aggression as well which is interesting to see, especially in hitless. Hitless is so cool because aggression is a trade off, shortening the fight in trade for more risk of being hit. Though tbh most this discussion would probably be better had in a sub server tbh like speedruncord

[vivid belfry]

it's not just super deep, it's like, the fucking best story ever written with wicked tight pacing and it evokes feelings that I've never seen reproduced by anything

[paper ermine]

Who up thinking about OUR goat lace

[ancient mortar]

I think the closest thing to a visual novel i've played was in stars in time, that game has rpg mechanics but they are so simple that the vast majority of the game is dialogue choices and story with some exploration and puzzles.

[light swan]

me

[lavish apex]

i wish i liked 3 as much as you did but i think i might like 1 and 2 more perhaps

[orchid spruce]

The story must be really good to compensate for this kind of presentation

[vivid belfry]

IT'S ONLY 3 HOURS LONG??? HOW DID THEY MAKE THIS

[lavish apex]

probably not x

ignore my insane playtime

[sharp slate]

The only one I played was DDLC thats because a friend dragged me into it, they were like "give it a chanceeeeeee its not what youuuu thinkkkkk"

[vivid belfry]

listen the main characters in Umineko look cute

[quartz cave]

Damn

[vivid belfry]

at least show the old people because THEY look like dogshit

[quartz cave]

Whats it even about

[vivid belfry]

EW PACHINKO ART

[plush plover]

this is not considered to be "Real" umineko this is a fictional version

[light swan]

applying for mod so that i can unban box shades and talk about xenoblade together

[paper ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/lace-mitosis-hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-silk-song-gif-17181434077690856461

[ancient mortar]

Any one here fans of the survival horror genre?

[opaque sigil]

I dabble

[plush plover]

hop 07th-project or whatever it is that ports the ps3 sprites to pc version

[orchid spruce]

more of a survival sandbox person

[lavish apex]

i don't think i've ever played a survival horror

[plush plover]

but even then the original pc sprites are so peak too since ryukishis expression work is genuinely unparalleled

[ancient mortar]

My favorite is re2 remake gameplay wise and signalis story wise, i really still need to play re4make, but right now im looking at this really interesting mod thats come out for re2.

called city of hell, that remixes the whole game, adding way more enemies and difficulty threats.

[vivid belfry]

I hate to be a fucking outer wilds fan but the truth of the situation is a really important reveal, so I'll just say it's a psychological horror game that fucked with me more than anything else I've ever played

[opaque sigil]

re4 and the remake are like barely survival horror but a shitload of fun

[mystic phoenix]

does terraria with 1 in 100000 chance to withered foxy jumpscare to appear every second count

[lavish apex]

outer wilds fans have a good reason for acting like that

[sharp slate]

Closest I played to survival horror is state of decay 2, even then, not exactly same as RE stuff or silent hill

[opaque sigil]

I need to play signalis

[sharp slate]

State of Decay 2, such a buggy piece of shit game, that is somehow so fun...

[odd hull]

That one is so good

[ancient mortar]

Yeah, not really survival horror, re2make is probably the last true survival horror in the series, i need to play re1make

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-burn-on-fire-gif-1935766129694944255

[opaque sigil]

requiem has some good stuff

[plush plover]

also reading back this kinda stuff is like almost entirely exclusive to the first part of umineko

[sharp slate]

anyways time for me to hop off, gonna start my horizon zero dawn playthrough, no discord distractions

[opaque sigil]

oh sick, great game

[light swan]

why don’t more video games have good stories

[lavish apex]

about time i replayed xc3 but it's soooo fuckinnnnn looooooooong

[light swan]

good as in contends with real books and movies and shows

[opaque sigil]

because the medium generally hasn't been focused on that

and it's hard to pace a game's story well when it needs to also have the gameplay

[ancient mortar]

Its incredibly good, id advise playing it on max difficulty tho because that game is piss easy otherwise. But its one of the best games in the genre art direction, worldbuilding and storytelling wise, as well as having great puzzles. i think it competes with silent hill 2 in how fascinating the plot is, some of the best nonlinear storytelling out there, and the lore is something thats still not been fully figured out yet, being split into multiple different popular interpretations.

[light swan]

should i play visual novels

[ancient mortar]

It also has really brilliant mechanics

[orchid spruce]

really?

[plush plover]

hop umineko ive been saying this illusion 💔

[light swan]

but it also becomes so much more immersive and allows you to have such a bigger run time, surely after decades a lot of ppl wouldve realized this

[lavish apex]

i need to read umineko at some point

[opaque sigil]

I mean yeah shit's kinda changing atp

[vivid belfry]

play slay the princess to find out, it's extremely accessible and high quality and lacks the anime bullshit you will find in other entries

[ancient mortar]

If you like purely story based games yeah

[orchid spruce]

slay the princess is 100% worth

[light swan]

at the same time if you’re gonna make a story game with no game why make it a game

[plush plover]

Trueee

[ancient mortar]

its like a choose your own adventure book.

[opaque sigil]

choosing dialogue options can be a useful narrative tool

[orchid spruce]

a lot of vns have other gameplay components

[vivid belfry]

this is only true if there are actually choices, but I think When They Cry works best as a VN for the purpose of presentation

[ancient mortar]

Is dispatch a vn

[orchid spruce]

not just clicking dialogue options or go to next dialogue

[vivid belfry]

like you can't put Umineko's soundtrack in a manga

and I cannot stress enough

[light swan]

i mostly know what a vn is

[ancient mortar]

technically its choices barely matter

[plush plover]

trueee

[vivid belfry]

Umineko has the best fucking soundtrack ever composed

[lavish apex]

dispatch has
a gameplay system

[graceful cairn]

oh nah phycological horror sucks

[lavish apex]

sort of

[light swan]

please go in with an open mind

[plush plover]

umineko ost fucking bangs its true

[orchid spruce]

dispatch is a vn

[vivid belfry]

what are you talking about

[odd hull]

Would it still be easy to someone without experience on the genre? (On normal difficulty). Heard good things, but I myself haven't played any survivor horror, except by Crow Country

[orchid spruce]

i heard it's also gaybait

[opaque sigil]

I'm replaying the whole ass trilogy join me

[lavish apex]

i mean technically i have done that once but i'd like to try

[light swan]

it sucks being the only (other) person to play xenoblade 3 and love it 💔

[orchid spruce]

i would be baited ngl

[vivid belfry]

are you going to go to bat against Silent Hill

[opaque sigil]

what is the me erasure it's like one of my favorite rpgs of all time

[lavish apex]

you're not the only one

[light swan]

(other)

[vivid belfry]

I have a friend

[light swan]

only other person i know in this server

[lavish apex]

i know somebody else who has it as their favorite game ever

[opaque sigil]

illusion you should play radiant historia it's not as good as xenoblade 3 but it's great

[lavish apex]

and probably a bunch of people from xccord

[light swan]

is it possible to make a game as good as xrnoblade 3

[plush plover]

i relistened to kiri no pithos like a couple days ago and it genuinely felt like this remembering how ep 7 and 8 played out

[vivid belfry]

listen I'm sure I would love xenoblade but I don't know if I have that many hours of RPG gameplay in me

[light swan]

everyone in xccord does not lovr xenoblade 3

just like you

[lavish apex]

that's not true

i've gotten a lot of pushback in discussions about it there

for my criticisms

not the praises

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's not my favorite game but as rpgs go not really

clair obscur is also really fuckin good but lacks the breadth of xc3

[lavish apex]

this is understandable

if you like
have a busy life
a lot of jrpgs are hard to get into

[opaque sigil]

I also love mhs3 but it's hard to say in an unbiased sorta way that it measures up to xc3

[lavish apex]

i mean so is umineko i'm told but

[ancient mortar]

if you havent played anything in the genre its probably fine to play on normal, though i think you might find it not that hard still, the game gives you a TON of healing items even on max difficulty. I think largely the only things you need to know about the genre to play on survival difficulty is that its often better to sneak or run past an enemy if you can do so safely, only spending your resources taking down foes that you can't safely get past or if they are blocking the way to useful items otherwise. resource management is important, saving your bullets will really help in the long run. also stun prods are your best friend, save them for emergencies

[vivid belfry]

Umineko is also a hard sell but that's hundreds of hours of nothing but story content

[opaque sigil]

but radiant historia has a super unique combat system and fun narrative framework that I haven't seen ever done in any other game

[vivid belfry]

and it kinda needs to be as big as it is to make the point it's making

[lavish apex]

does that mean the anime sucks

[vivid belfry]

yes

[ancient mortar]

I don't know much about crow country but i assume its a pretty traditional survival horror so it probably is a decent tutorial

[orchid spruce]

i know i would love danganronpa but i'm already spoiled on the entire series

[severe steeple]

dies

[vivid belfry]

look I've done a number of embarrassing things in earnest but I think becoming a danganronpa fan would completely kill my credibility

[lavish apex]

xc3 probably deserves a spot in my top 25 i just haven't gotten around to thinking about where i would put it

for all the faults i think the story has it's still way better than like, smtv's

[ancient mortar]

Also i heard there was a bloodborne pc port (not an official one) and im considering trying to get it working just because i crave playing a bloodborne that doesnt run at 8 fps

[lavish apex]

and most of the non-combat aspects of gameplay are the best or close to the best the series has to offer

[ancient mortar]

What are you guys favorite turn based combat games (utdr does not count thats a bullet hell)

[orchid spruce]

it seems good though

[opaque sigil]

what xenoblade has better combat, 2?

[lavish apex]

like none of the other games have that much good side content that isn't a pain in the ass to access

[opaque sigil]

torna?

[orchid spruce]

except danganronpa 3

[lavish apex]

i like x combat and 2 combat more

[orchid spruce]

that one seems pretty ass from the spoilers i nuked myself with

[vivid belfry]

Inscryption

[odd hull]

Ohh, understood. Ty!!! I'll try to remember all that

[ancient mortar]

i've heard good things about that game

[opaque sigil]

uuuh I'm a fire emblem fan so engage and fe10, also radiant historia, slay the spire. Dunno if you count e33 but that has an amazing combat system

[severe steeple]

thats card game

[plush plover]

i still need to play inscryption its been sitting in my library for like almost 3 years now

[vivid belfry]

yeah, and it has turn based combat

[lavish apex]

turn based would probably be smt vv

[ancient mortar]

I think ive never enjoyed turn based combat more than in darkest dungeon 1 and 2 and lisa the pointless

[orchid spruce]

he's cute

[plush plover]

turn based combat just isnt really my thing most of the time

[lavish apex]

other than that probably like ff7

[ancient mortar]

fair, but also most turn based combat in games is awful in general, i've only found a few genuinely good ones so far

[odd hull]

true

[opaque sigil]

oh xcom 2 is really fuckin good

[lavish apex]

never played slay the spire because the concept of a roguelike deckbuilder does not sound appealing to me at all but oddly i've seen gameplay of 2 and it interests me a lot

[severe steeple]

turn based is such a vast category that you really cant generalize it much unless youre really into the non stop action

[plush plover]

aside from the absolute behemoth that is the time investment into the xeno series i also am not really looking forward to the turn based side of things

[plush plover]

that is very much what i like yes

[opaque sigil]

2 is great, strong goty contender and that's saying a LOT given how much I loved requiem and mhs3 (also very good turn based combat)

[somber ledge]

I spent so long trying to do some diffcult platforming thinking I was gonna get to where I wanted to go. All I got was some bum ass surface momento. I want to cry

And I didn't get no map

[severe steeple]

me too but I like many turn based games just as much eventhough I would say it takes more out of me to like a turn based game

[orchid spruce]

sts2 didn't seem that great from the streams i watched of it

[opaque sigil]

watching streams of it tells you nothing

[lavish apex]

in spite of the fact that i like fire emblem i kinda just don't care about fire emblem gameplay that much

[orchid spruce]

i know it WILL be great but in its current alpha state, it doesn't seem that good?

[opaque sigil]

it's great

[severe steeple]

it is already great but its not finnished yet

[orchid spruce]

it's been a while since i pay attention to sts2

[plush plover]

my friend got into isat recently and glazes the hell out of it and i want to get into it eventually but it being turn based kinda steers me away from it

[vivid belfry]

ISAT has combat?????

[plush plover]

apparently so

[lavish apex]

probably because i am too stupid for srpgs

[plush plover]

I thought it was a oneshot type of thing ngl

[lavish apex]

and the "i'm too stupid" difficulty is just not that fun

[ancient mortar]

Barely

[opaque sigil]

oh you play on normal?

or easy whatever it's called in the given game

[lavish apex]

yeah generally, the only time i haven't was when i started a hard playthrough of awakening and just got bored halfway through

[ancient mortar]

Theres a very generic rpgmaker combat system but the fights are so short and easy they are pretty negligible.

[opaque sigil]

oh you gotta push yourself man

[light swan]

we love nagito i wish he was the main character

[ancient mortar]

You can also ignore most enemies

[vivid belfry]

this I can handle

[severe steeple]

I have played so many different genres but surprisingly rpg is one I havent really touched ever

[lavish apex]

i have unfortunately also played a lot of heroes and that game is hard sometimes but in a really dogshit way

[light swan]

i think i should play less metroidvanias and play more games with good combat

[ancient mortar]

isat is very easy, essentially. most of the fights that kill you are story based things where you need the right gear and abilities to beat

[orchid spruce]

he has that cute little puppy energy

dangan2 major spoilers ||i know it's fake but he's so puppylike||

[opaque sigil]

you could play one more metroidvania that has good combat

[light swan]

i cant click this because i’m not far into d2

[orchid spruce]

he's so cute

[ancient mortar]

Id reccomend dark souls 3 but its rollslop

[light swan]

out of all the games i’ve played there’s only 3 i can say have exceptional combat

[severe steeple]

silkslop

[lavish apex]

resource management scares me

[ancient mortar]

Everhood has my favorite combat probably, though its probably not for everyone

[orchid spruce]

my type is puppy guys

[light swan]

one of those games has mid combat until halfway through my 2nd playthrough

[ancient mortar]

Everhood combat REALLY picks later in the game

[light swan]

i feel like there has to be more games with fucing peak amazing combat

[vivid belfry]

I like everhood combat but favorite is crazy

[light swan]

ultra kill and sekiro i already wanna play so those don’t count

[severe steeple]

isnt everhood just dodging

[ancient mortar]

it was the first game that got me into nohitting bosses, i just had so much fun with em, especially the secret superbosses

it gains a lot more depth when you try to nohit

[opaque sigil]

play metal gear rising

[graceful oyster]

Elohart and Belahind, they had a field of lah. They made the leaves into a tea, and ate the petals raw. But when those petals grew again, the faundren had forgotten. And tended not those fields of lah until they smelled most rotten. Now Elohart and Belahind lie in a field of lah, because their fields got hungry and devoured the faundren raw.

[plush plover]

ultrakill is fun you should hop it illusion

[lavish apex]

play astral chain :)

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah play astral chain

[plush plover]

id be playing it more but 9s has a chokehold on me atm

[ancient mortar]

What genres do you like? and what are you looking for in a combat system

[light swan]

i also have such a weird sense of fun in combat :( why am i like this

[broken seal]

https://tenor.com/view/house-house-md-domain-expansion-dr-house-house-domain-gif-15600799113581393118

[lavish apex]

or like also gow
at least the norse ones
i know those games look like corporate slop but genuinely i think they have really really fun combat

[opaque sigil]

monster hunter also has amazing combat

esp rise

[lavish apex]

also furi perhaps

[plush plover]

i mean i feel like we see eye to eye on what is enjoyable in combat (Outside of parry opinions sometimes) and i liked ultrakill so you would probably like it

[light swan]

you know mio and you know witch crest

[opaque sigil]

I've been having a blast with pragmata

[light swan]

i absolutely adore depth in simplicity

[ancient mortar]

so stuff with a lot of complexity in its moveset i presume?

[lavish apex]

furi might do it for you

[light swan]

i love skill expression i love strategy

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077030283792097420/1309022003902152774/togif.gif

[ancient mortar]

You might like katana zero?

[light swan]

i dont know what genre xenoblade 3 is but thats my favorite combat system by far

[severe steeple]

people who havent played silksong

[opaque sigil]

katana zero is great but doesn't have a lot of the kind of things illusion likes

[vivid belfry]

wackass realtime RPG like kingdom hearts right

[ancient mortar]

fair

[lavish apex]

xc3 is an action rpg i think

[broken seal]

if it's like the others then i believe it's a realtime rpg?

[light swan]

its real time idk what other rpg gameplay is like

[ancient mortar]

Do you prefer singleplayer games only? are you into like fighting games @light swan

[odd hull]

Ownt

[light swan]

any is fine

[opaque sigil]

tales of arise is a lot of fun

[light swan]

singleplayer may be better

[broken seal]

most rpgs are turn based

[lavish apex]

i think ff7r combat is also really great

[ancient mortar]

Chivalry 2 has some of my favorite sword pvp, its very simple on the surface but it has extreme complexities and tech you can master. Its a pvp game tho

[light swan]

cuz it has a lot more of that optimizing and strategy aspect while also not needing to balance around other players

i also dont think raw combat tech necessarily means ill like it

mio combat has 0 combat tech

kind of

idk if bop shairpin counts as combat tech

maybe grounded bop activations counts as combat tech but hardly

[ancient mortar]

So more of games that are simple on the surface but a lot of strategy goes into it?

[light swan]

yea

[ancient mortar]

are you into singleplayer fps games at all?

I am honestly a bit tempted to reccomend some boomer shooters

[light swan]

ive played ror2 but i didnt like, love the combat

and i dont think im into other fps games

[ancient mortar]

havent played ror

[light swan]

i dont like precision

[ancient mortar]

me neither, though my favorite singleplayer fps has very little in the way of precision

[opaque sigil]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/740130/Tales_of_ARISE/ @light swan this shit is great

Steam

Tales of ARISE

A world of nature drawn with the “Atmospheric Shader”
We are introducing a new graphics shader, inspired by anime and watercolor painting. Characters with attractive designs travel among backgrounds filled with beautiful and delicate visuals.…

Price

$49.99

Recommendations

27406

Metacritic

84

[lavish apex]

anyone?

i feel like i never see anybody talk about it at all

[pallid plinth]

weeb slop

[ancient mortar]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2280/DOOM__DOOM_II/

Steam

DOOM + DOOM II

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Owners Receive:

• DOOM¹
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Price

$9.99

Recommendations

24435

[pallid plinth]

old ultra kill

[light swan]

tell me about the combat and make me invested in it

[graceful oyster]

The sighting of a crimson swift augurs the death of an aged water baron. A silver thrush heralds a fossil harvest bountiful in chrome. But the tongueless kagu... stay far from a tongueless kagu. Far and farther.

[light swan]

i greatly enjoy theory

[distant sorrel]

What are yalls conspiracies and theories for silksong and for the sea of sorrow thing

[lavish apex]

whost

[light swan]

all

[ancient mortar]

is this asking about tales or doom

[light swan]

all

[opaque sigil]

it's a party rpg with companions who can fight independently sorta like xenoblade but the control is way more involved, you can break and juggle enemies, and part of the combat is comboing arts to build up meters to do big killing moves

[light swan]

btw if a game can make me dedicate another 150 hours to it's combat after completing it then its a good combat system

[severe steeple]

doom is doom

[opaque sigil]

for what it's worth I have done this with tales of arise

[orchid spruce]

if a boss can make me dedicate another 300 hours to it, it is a decent boss

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

tell me about the control

[odd hull]

lmao

[patent warren]

Now that i got the clawline in the underworks where should i go? I was thinking either mount fay or high halls

[graceful oyster]

What if I dedicate 300 to F&N

[light swan]

try mount fay

[vivid belfry]

I know I just wanted to flex my hours

[odd hull]

Mount fay! It's cooler

[light swan]

grover have you played ender lilies

[vivid belfry]

no

[light swan]

aw

[patent warren]

Okey

[severe steeple]

search those clawline rings

[distant sorrel]

What are yalls conspiracies and theories for silksong and for the sea of sorrow dlc

[lavish apex]

there's gonna be seas and it's gonna be sad

[patent warren]

also, how do i use the silk eater to get my rosari back? I died in high halls and lost 400 rosaries

[distant sorrel]

That's crazy no way

[light swan]

use them in the menu to restore your silk cocoon

[odd hull]

Select it on the menu and hold the button

[distant sorrel]

Go into your inventory and hold a it returns toyr cacoon

[ancient mortar]

i do unironically think doom is special when it comes to singleplayer fps. It has very in little in the way of required aim, not even needing a crosshair to play. combat is largely about how you approach a level and your strategy regarding it, you can't really go in and just wipe out all enemies with overwhelming force and perfect aim, its about how you approach the level, the order in which you take on rooms, your resource management, the strategy and knowledge of each enemies strengths and weaknesses, what weapons you use, and your skill at dodging projectiles and which targets you prioritize, its really hard to explain the complexities of doom because there is so much depth and creativity to a lot of the mechanics while being super simple on the surface. It also has some of the most customization when it comes to difficulty in the game, with loads of options and challenge runs to pick from.

[patent warren]

i can't wait for mina the hollower and aggelos 2 to come out

[distant sorrel]

Holy

[ancient mortar]

Also doom has nigh infinite fan made content

[odd hull]

Me too! Mina looks greats

[opaque sigil]

you have dodges and arts rather than having a cooldown cost a fixed amount of a gauge, which you can replenish with boost strikes (attacks you can call from your allies to do, which restore that gauge as well as triggering a special effect based on the ally doing it), you try to maintain combos to keep a gauge built that builds faster as the enemy's health decreases, and when it fills you can do a finishing move that kills the enemy, so you can clear fights a lot faster if you maintain combos. It has a perfect dodge mechanic you can use to trigger counterattacks that break enemies more easily to let you initiate combos, and every character has a unique gimmick. the main character for instance can drain his own health to do powerful attacks, another character can stock up spells and fuse them into stronger versions, another gets stronger the longer you go without getting hit, etc

[patent warren]

yeah, i've never seen a game like that

[ancient mortar]

Also doom has zero iframes

[light swan]

idk about yall but i can feel the wind between my toes

[severe steeple]

the vast majority of singleplayer fps dont require good aim anyway, its mainly just competitive online games

[lavish apex]

ok you have me interested in this now too

[light swan]

tell me about the combat itself like tammo is

[graceful oyster]

Poor robot

[light swan]

is the game like 3d like xenoblade

[odd hull]

True. My biggest expectation for 2026. Alongside with Bloodstained 2, I think

[opaque sigil]

it's 3d and you have a whole different set of arts used in the air, plus some artes will transition from ground to air and vice versa

[light swan]

man why is xenoblade so good how did they make such a beautiful 3d game on the switch

[light swan]

ooh whats air combat like

confused on what you meann by transiiton

also whats customization like

[opaque sigil]

you have a certain number of normal attacks you can do in a chain, those attacks are counted separately from the ground and air so it's energy efficient to include air attacks in every combo

[patent warren]

yeah, first time i see a zelda like mixed with a souls like and a metroidvania

[light swan]

are attacks just regular stuff

[opaque sigil]

customization is there but could be better, you can choose what artes you use and that's the most meaningful build expression imo, there are accessories you can use to give more myriad buffs but you tend to play into a character's innate strengths in my experience

[patent warren]

for 2026 i'm not really expecting many games, aggelos 2, mina the hollower and black flag remake

[opaque sigil]

here this is from like the second fight in the game so there are basically no artes yet but it gives a sort of idea of what arte combos look like

imagine that but a lot longer and with a lot more varied attacks

[light swan]

lots of xenoblade vibes

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah the music is also great

[odd hull]

I have seen some small attempts, but they generally go more for the soulslike side

[opaque sigil]

and the art

it also has great characters

[light swan]

feels like yesterdale combat music mixed with keves battle

art looks a bit worse it looks like dragon quest or like pokemon

[odd hull]

What's aggelos? Never heard of it

[opaque sigil]

that cave is a bad expression of it

[light swan]

i think ive been playing too much artslop

[lavish apex]

about ff7r
it's atb gameplay mixed with 3d action elements, atb being squeenix's approach for older turn based games where instead of a rigid turn system each participant of the fight has a timer cooldown before they can act. ff7r has atb build just by waiting but much faster by landing attacks, and you can spend it on high damage melee options or use of items/spells. you can freely switch between your party members at will to string their attacks together or have them act in a specific way. enemies have a stagger bar that when filled knocks them down and gives you a damage bonus until they get back up. most attacks can be avoided with positioning or well timed dodges but are often quite difficult to which encourages strategy, like choosing when to block to reduce what you take instead of trying to get out of the way altogether

[patent warren]

it's like a wonder boy but metroidvania, the first was nice and fun but the 2nd look much much better from the trailer

[lavish apex]

in some ways it's kind of similar to what xenoblade does

[opaque sigil]

it has a great art style tho

[lavish apex]

but more action focused

[opaque sigil]

that's like a early mid game area

[light swan]

damn

[orchid spruce]

see, this is why i like nine sols. i am totally unimpressed by this. i cant appreciate art

[light swan]

i think i vaguely remember this from back when i watched ff7r years ago

[patent warren]

oh my god enotria has a new update

[lavish apex]

i find it extremely fun

but i almost never see anyone talk about the combat in those games

[patent warren]

aw the update is just bug fixes

[odd hull]

Ohh, looked it up and seems cool, maybe I'll give it a try

[lavish apex]

there are also like

[patent warren]

honestly i found it randomly, i was scrolling down and saw it for 92 cents and without even knowing what it was i got it

[lavish apex]

light/heavy attacks
air attacks
and of course limit breaks which are like a super meter that fills as characters take damage or under the effect of some gear

[light swan]

oh the misery of limit breaks

[ancient mortar]

Honestly im not entirely sure if its what you are looking for, and its hard to explain it without trying to explain the genre itself. its quite different from what i know you've played. its largely very simple on the surface, shoot, move, evade projectiles and use cover for the hitscans. its complexity largely comes from the level design and how you strategize within it, and how each unique enemy type works and how they interact with the levels design, comes from how you handle each opponents individual mechanics as every enemy works differently and utilize each weapon optimally in different encounters, as each enemy is simple on its own but how they function when you are fighting several different types at once and have to manage who to prioritize, how to evade all their different types of attacks at once, and how to handle the positioning in each unique level. Basically what i mean is the complexity comes from how each individual enemy type and how you engage with them. encounters with an enemy are made vastly different by how the context you encounter them in. The way you engage with different enemies is vastly changed by the position they are in, your surroundings, and what other enemies they are paired with.

[light swan]

ff7r is final fantasy 7 remake right

[lavish apex]

yes

and rebirth which is also final fantasy 7 remake

and the 3rd part coming out in probably the not too distant future

[ancient mortar]

To explain more id have to explain how every enemy and weapon works which would be a large wall of text

i could try to send clips of gameplay to show how it generally works better prob