sk-discussion

[queen acorn]

i am never wrong i hate bilewater and glaze widow

my opinions are never wrong

[light swan]

so no, witch isnt a counter to first sinner

[real hearth]

📉 📈

[unkempt prairie]

Bruh witch heal could never touch first sinner

[light swan]

witch is the strongest against first sinner but thats skill ceiling not skill floor

[lavish apex]

hunter is very good against her

[exotic dome]

i mean most bosses are easy

[timid plinth]

yeah.. maybe i should come back later..

[light swan]

incorrect

[undone gate]

I guess Hunter is the counter because you get double hits constantly against her

[queen acorn]

though bilewater is actually good i have changed my mind

[unkempt prairie]

K guess it's just skill issue

[light swan]

stagger, rune rage, grounded swipes, air slashes

[queen acorn]

only cz of the music everything else is hot shit

[light swan]

indeed skill issue

you can also bind against some of her teleports if you get there fast enough

[ruby agate]

bilewater is the second best area next to greymoor

[light swan]

maybe no multibinder tho

[undone gate]

I first used Wanderer against her and took a decent time to beat her and then I used Hunter and she melted so quickly

[ruby agate]

her double downslash is a really good bindspot

[light swan]

how can you call yourself #1 with this take

[queen acorn]

this is a statement

[exotic dome]

there is even a gif of this

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

[real hearth]

my area ranking is so hard

[queen acorn]

might honestly be a bottom 5 statement oat

[unkempt prairie]

Lmao

[ruby agate]

dude bilewater is a really good area yall just lowk need to stop being haters

[queen acorn]

carried by ost

[lavish apex]

greymoor best area is an interesting pick

[light swan]

bielwater is #1 not #2

[ruby agate]

YOU'RE carrried by ost

[unkempt prairie]

Bilewater music is a certify banger

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-burn-on-fire-gif-1935766129694944255

[exotic dome]

greymoor as a best area is fair pick

[light swan]

yall are fucking chuds who have bottom 5 osts because im right and you guys should chill

[exotic dome]

its my second favorite probably

[light swan]

ego in the stratosphere rn

[queen acorn]

im so proud

[real hearth]

i like bilewater a lot. i had a really bad experience on my first playthrough but i look past it because i was being a massive chud

[exotic cedar]

Why the fuck is he green??? Who allowed him to do that

[real hearth]

i went into bilewater with lvl 2 needle

and it was miserable

[ruby agate]

come on it has

the best boss: crawfather
the best species: craws
the best visuals
one of the best ambiences
the coolest lore
the coolest crest (witch)

[undone gate]

Bilewater is a decent area

[queen acorn]

because he can be placed there

[unkempt prairie]

Cogwork core is my fav. Both ost and the platforming is really enjoyable

[ruby agate]

AND IT HAS MY GOAT CREIGE BRO

[light swan]

why does cawthon always claim to be the #1 something fan but isnt the #1 fan

[queen acorn]

this is genuienly a statement

[light swan]

its always me whos more of a #1 bro

[real hearth]

great pick

[queen acorn]

it has so many incorrect statements

[exotic dome]

crawfather glaze 🔥🗣️

[ruby agate]

too many people like greymoor i cant be the #1 greymoor fan

[queen acorn]

i mean yeah crawfather is awsome but

crawfather top 1 is crazy

[ruby agate]

no crawfather is cool bro you feel so awesome while fighting him

[light swan]

and you definitely cant be the #1 bilewater fan because bilewater isnt your #1

[ruby agate]

its tied for first place

[light swan]

crawfather #1 is valid, go be the #1 crawfather fan

[queen acorn]

in a world of widows and prolly someone else

[unkempt prairie]

I hate wisp thicket more than Bilewater. God the fire is so annoying

[exotic dome]

waiting for the first #1 putrified ducts fan

[ruby agate]

wisp thicket is actually goated too

[queen acorn]

this made me think

[ruby agate]

its so cool bro i wish they expand upon it

[exotic cedar]

Wisp thicket, putrified ducts and wormways are the shittiest areas in the game

[real hearth]

is there anyone who actually even likes wisp thicket

[ruby agate]

come on its a bamboo forest with a cult

[queen acorn]

fuck my name is too long

[exotic cedar]

They should fight to death

[ruby agate]

I LIKE WISP THICKET.

[undone gate]

Father Of The Flame is a decent Boss

[queen acorn]

no stop im tryna be number 1 thicket glazer

[ruby agate]

I DO.

[exotic dome]

you could change your username to this since it's a crazy take

[light swan]

anyone who doesnt think bilewater is the best area cant be the #1 bilewater fan

[real hearth]

the aesthetic is so cool and the they spam flame butterflies

[unkempt prairie]

Worm way not that bad cuz you can easily farm silk to heal

[real hearth]

[ruby agate]

father of the flame is a really good boss i just dont like the burning bugs

[lavish apex]

i think you like 100% hold that title

[exotic cedar]

Its still kind of a nothing burger area

[ruby agate]

if wisp thicket got expanded it'd be top 3

[real hearth]

bilewater is easily top 5 but idt its my favorite

[light swan]

ive been getting ragebaited recently by people who think they like something more than me

[queen acorn]

i LOVE wisp thicket

[unkempt prairie]

More flying homing flames? Nope

[queen acorn]

its so cool i love wisp thicket

[light swan]

cawthon in the past has called themself the #1 witch crest glazer so i already know theyre delusional

but now theyre the #1 bilewater stan

[hybrid flare]

Nah cchambers mogs

[real hearth]

ducts having fleatopia is its only saving grace

[light swan]

sounds to mel ike they just wanna be me but cant

yesterday grynne was trying to be the #1 mio fan

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/450443178722459668/1489806922562408549/speed.gif

[ruby agate]

i like witch crest for the witchcrest part not whatever sawtooth pogo animation cancel BULLLLSHIT you like

[unkempt prairie]

The pale lake is nice. Reminds me of city of tears

[light swan]

like Bro.............

[light swan]

so you dont like witch crest for the moveset you only like one part of it and not the whole thing

[real hearth]

oh yeah the lake is cool, obvious blue lake vibes i like the spot

[queen acorn]

pale lake is slop its carried by mr goatshroom

[hybrid flare]

You can be the 1# silksong fan nobody will really try to claim that title💔

[real hearth]

my fault i forgot about it

[light swan]

im not the #1 silksong fan

[ruby agate]

i like the moveset i just think doing animation cancel sludge with it is really lame

[queen acorn]

then you are not a witch fan

[lavish apex]

i think you're also the #1 mio fan

[exotic dome]

lace the human used to hold that title

[queen acorn]

finn the human

[light swan]

so you think an aspect of witch crset is lame

you cannot be #1

[patent warren]

god i have to hit phantom 80 times since i only have the needle at level 2

[light swan]

Lets be real here

[real hearth]

it’s not possible to be a fan of any crest other than reaper because it’s the only good one

[ruby agate]

its not an intentional aspect

[orchid spruce]

"i genuinely believe silksong is the best game ever made" 💔 i can't believe i heard this exact line like 3 times

[real hearth]

don’t kid yourself

[hybrid flare]

true

[queen acorn]

true

[light swan]

accidents can be beautiful too

[lavish apex]

this is a take i can kind of understand

[orchid spruce]

they're the #1 silksong fans

[hybrid flare]

bloodborne is the best game oat but the worst part of it is the game itself 💔

[light swan]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mio-xenoblade-3--k01KQEDJC8NX02X8TWWHQ1AMDGZ

[ruby agate]

silksong is cool i just really hope we get some sort of sandbox feature to make enemies fight eachother

Im already working on a mod that does this and Holy shit this is hard

[lavish apex]

probably not that mio

[exotic dome]

i can't be the #1 silksong fan befcause i can't believe that this game is not perfect 10/10 masterpiece

[real hearth]

the level design and lore/thematics is super good in bloodborne and then everything else outside of the dlc is so bad

it’s actually a generational fumble

[queen acorn]

mmm i love wisp thicket it should be the size of greymore

[light swan]

are you sure?

[hybrid flare]

Elaborate

[ruby agate]

i dont like any game with realistic graphics

[queen acorn]

scrap sea of sorrow and make a wisp expansion

[ruby agate]

my pc becomes an air fryer and i think thats just boring actually

[lavish apex]

i'm pretty confident in that yeah

[ruby agate]

cant think of anything more interesting to do so you just make it realistic

[light swan]

ive talked about how i developed a stigma around mio and that made it difficult to talk about the game mio right

[lavish apex]

idt i'm the #1 fan of anything

[hybrid flare]

yeah the bosses fall off later in the game but they're mostly good for the overall duration

[light swan]

from how much i talked about mio and glazed her

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351620602733265049/1359339146790961294/Screenshot_20250321-143132.gif

[ruby agate]

mio is a cool game i just think the early game is godawful

[light swan]

im joking i dont think im the #1 mio xenoblade fan

[real hearth]

base game bosses are all so mediocre, there’s a few exceptions but not many. the areas blend together imo and it’s hard for me to tell them aesthetically apart. i know that was the point but when like 5 areas look the exact same it’s hard for me to like it

[light swan]

but im the #1 mio overall fan

[queen acorn]

no i am

[light swan]

because i certainly like xenomio a lot

[orchid spruce]

orphan of kos or something something

[queen acorn]

i love mio n wisp thicket

[real hearth]

my favorite parts of bloodborne are when they go totally left field and out of the norm like the snow level

[hybrid flare]

There are some base game bosses and more than half of them are good idk man

[ruby agate]

like if we ignore the annoying wisps wisp thicket is awesome

[hybrid flare]

...snow?

[ruby agate]

father of the flame and the area design just look sick man

[light swan]

your fate was sealed when you rose against us!

[queen acorn]

no all of wisp is awsome i love wisp

[real hearth]

the level with logarius

[hybrid flare]

and the areas are quite different even if the setting remains the same, old yharnam is noticeably different from central yharnam

[hybrid flare]

Oh right cainhurst, ngl its kinda of a mid dungeon imo

[real hearth]

totally get it

[tight viper]

I am the #1 Shaman fan

[real hearth]

some of the parts are a bit polarizing i happen to like all of it

[light swan]

im the #1 nine sols fan

[queen acorn]

like crest or the people

[hybrid flare]

you dont interact with the enemies much and its short

[tight viper]

Crest

[real hearth]

yeah that too a bit too short

[queen acorn]

nice

[hybrid flare]

the boss is kinda good tho but the weird ass architecture messes with me

[ruby agate]

theres a mod that makes shaman better (the bind functions like desolate dive)

[queen acorn]

but like its alr good

not as good as wisp thicket but

[tight viper]

Don't need it

[ruby agate]

i olnly used shaman for flea juggle dont kill me i just think shaman is boring i dont like silk skills

[tight viper]

I also don't use silk skills

[real hearth]

i was a bit hyperbolic originally for shock value. i like a lot of the areas but i struggle to mentally differentiate some from others and wrap my head around the map mentally due to the aesthetic similarities

[queen acorn]

silkstorm + architect

[real hearth]

there is a good amount of variance but i would’ve liked more personally

[quartz roost]

So makes it overpowered?

[orchid spruce]

looks like i'll absolutely love this game

[hybrid flare]

most of the stuff that you've mentioned isnt really as horrible as you said, plus bloodborne has some good ost

[real hearth]

bloodborne is great if you have the chance i’d play it

[hybrid flare]

Its an area atmospheric game you hate those

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-average-gif-8365463044423717700

[ruby agate]

hands down architct is the most lame crest

[real hearth]

yeah i was being hyperbolic admittedly i like the game im just mean

[hybrid flare]

Alr fair enough

[ruby agate]

you paid 20 dollars for a game and you're getting red tools to instakill everything

[real hearth]

ost is great too as u said, a bit overrated but still great

[queen acorn]

i cant have a take on this lest the archiglazers come after me and execute me

[tight viper]

Nah, Wanderer is the most lame crest

[light swan]

this is the second time today someones described themselves as a hyperbola

[hybrid flare]

There arent that many like ultra good tracks but the ones that are good hit hard

[tight viper]

You don't have to use toolspam while using Arch

[light swan]

i want to go back to glazing things

[ruby agate]

at least you play the game while using wanderer

[orchid spruce]

nuke architest crest & red tools and game gets improved overnight

[tight viper]

Arch is only lame if you use toolspam, it's the toolspam that's lame

[lavish apex]

architect is cool if you don't follow what it naturally inclines you to do with 3 red tool slots

[quartz roost]

I just don't like it personally

[real hearth]

cannot believe the one reborn got a top 5 bloodborne ost for no reason

[tight viper]

Not the crest itself

[queen acorn]

nuke every crest except reaper

hoenstly this would be balanced only let people play reaper

[ruby agate]

we cannot be cereal

[quartz roost]

How else do you use it?

[light swan]

lets talk about why second sentinel is the goat

[hybrid flare]

late game bosses are a generational fumble but then spike back at the final boss

[tight viper]

By using the needle

[queen acorn]

true

[real hearth]

yes

[light swan]

and why dremashield is the bst charm

and why lost kin is the best bossfight

[ruby agate]

greatest theythem in history

[queen acorn]

woah woah woah

[real hearth]

it’s so wishywashy tbf

[light swan]

3rd greatest boss in history

[tight viper]

Toolspam is boring and dumb, so you can choose to not use toolspam

[ruby agate]

...it's good against oblobbles?

[eager creek]

I love robot characters!!!!

[quartz roost]

What's the point of using the crest then?

[hybrid flare]

lwk my 4th best boss ever

[queen acorn]

have you ever done sob with dreamshield

[tight viper]

The moveset

[light swan]

it's strength is based on the skill of the wielder

[queen acorn]

mhm

[ruby agate]

yeah secret of balls with dreamshield my favorite challenge

[real hearth]

i like him but i never felt like super super strongly about him, he’s solid for sure and i know why ppl love him

[quartz roost]

Ahh, yes, the mostly bad one (in my opinion)?

[frosty light]

[lavish apex]

this is fascinating

[tight viper]

You can be wrong

[hybrid flare]

The fight is super emotional and thematically solid i love it

[real hearth]

oh yeah 100%

[hybrid flare]

they didn't butcher the lore with him unlike isshin

[ruby agate]

the greatest boss in hk 1 is actually crawfather

[real hearth]

it’s incredible on that front

[tight viper]

Arch has a very interesting moveset that is capable of being perfectly viable

[frosty kelp]

What 😭

[queen acorn]

lost kin is aight

[light swan]

youve seen my list this isnt new stuff

[queen acorn]

it is infact very good

[quartz roost]

Hints why I said "my opinion" not saying it has a fact, but rather a opinion

[frosty kelp]

I'm confused. How?

[real hearth]

i’m not super big on sekiro lore, the game itself is low on my fromsoft list unfortunately

[light swan]

look at it isnt it beautiful

[queen acorn]

@light swan

[ruby agate]

dude im the most niche person of all time my top 3 bosses are crawfather, watcher at the edge and fourth chorus

[real hearth]

isshin is a great boss gameplay wise though

[frosty kelp]

No?

[hybrid flare]

I think its very short on flaws and the story is neat but isshin kinda butchers the end

[light swan]

you dont think dreamshield is beautiful?

[frosty kelp]

Yeah I don't think it looks beautiful

[hybrid flare]

also i really cant just comprehend why laurence had to be the same cleric beast

[tight viper]

You were treating it like a fact, though. You thought it was bad, and so you just refused to recognize that it could be unironically used

[hybrid flare]

amelia is also technically a cleric beast and she's different

[lavish apex]

i might be the #1 soul tyrant glazer actually

[real hearth]

it is objectively the least flawed of their games but it’s just not my style. i wish i liked it more honestly

[tight viper]

Even though it can be unironically used for its needle, and it has been unironically used for its needle

[hybrid flare]

Fair enough

[light swan]

get the fuck off my screen i never want to see you ever agian

[quartz roost]

So helpful for radianting the big spherical guys

[frosty kelp]

:(((

[real hearth]

laurence ost is so peak and then you actually play the boss and it’s

[light swan]

#2, ive seen bigger soul tyrant glazers than you

[queen acorn]

illuision 😭 😭 i sorry your 😭 😭 opinion good forgive 😭 😭 me

[ruby agate]

why is watcher at the edge hated he's so cool

[queen acorn]

who hates watcher

[light swan]

people hate wate?

[hybrid flare]

I think he's good honestly, but i didnt get the full experience fighting him because he makes my emulator explode

[real hearth]

top 3 boss imo easily

[lavish apex]

ACTUALLY i'm probably the biggest smt v glazer

[ruby agate]

"he's too BORING!"
"he only has 3 ATTACKS!"

[lavish apex]

the biggest one i've heard of at least

[queen acorn]

never heard this said

[real hearth]

oh actually another reason i don’t like bloodborne is that i play souls games with mnk

[light swan]

either way i dont think anything contests against dreamshield

[ruby agate]

and then they go back to playing lost lace prime karmelita prime or whatever with wanderer

[orchid spruce]

90% of players never fought wate

[real hearth]

i emulated bb with mnk and it was so terrible

[light swan]

except maybe dashmaster

[real hearth]

it’s not the games fault but i still blame it anyway

[frosty kelp]

Sans?

[exotic dome]

people when the most optional and secret boss in the game is not le epic final boss with 45 phases and 723 attacks

[light swan]

how many hk charms physically alter your playstyle outside of innate buffs like fotf or shamans

[hybrid flare]

what is mnk

[real hearth]

mouse and keyboard

[ruby agate]

YES BRO I DONT GET IT

[hybrid flare]

Oh same

[real hearth]

i don’t play controller in like any games

[light swan]

mo najor klitches

[hybrid flare]

I just adjusted it with a few tools

[ruby agate]

THEY HATE ON WATCHER AND THEN GO BACK TO NO HITTING KARMELITA PRIME WITH WANDERER LMAO

[tight viper]

I can think of 5

[hybrid flare]

Mainly MKB2controller

[frosty kelp]

Grubberfly elegy

[real hearth]

i couldn’t figure out how to adjust the dpi 😭

so i was on the lowest setting the entire game

[light swan]

which ones

elegy, dreamshield, sharp shadow,

[ruby agate]

I do. I alter your playstyle.

[light swan]

does sporeshroom count?

[frosty kelp]

Does fury count as well?

[hybrid flare]

didnt bother with emulator settings

[frosty kelp]

Yes I think so

[orchid spruce]

don't slander my boy

[tight viper]

Sharp Shadow, Grubberfly's, Baldur Shell, Fury, Steady Body

[quartz roost]

Apologies for my wording then. I suppose I didn't treat my opinion on crests as a whole well, I believe every crest is good and usable for any and all players, it just depends on what you like. Also, I was saying that because I personally don't like the moveset/tool spam it brings to game play, it doesn't fit my play style. I should've worded my original text better

[little fractal]

SB, Dashmaster and Sharp Shadow are really strong on your position and will alter how you play a lot
Quickslash makes you so much more aggressive
Thorns of Agony makes you lose more

[light swan]

fury is ultimately just a hitless damage buff

[tight viper]

I thought that meant Father of the Flame tbh

[light swan]

i dont think hitless playstyle change counts as a real playstyle change

[real hearth]

karmalita might be the most overrated boss in sk

[hybrid flare]

karm is the best boss in sk

[little fractal]

Fury is just like thorns
To use it effectively you have to never get hit

[ruby agate]

Yo does nailmaster's glory count

[light swan]

quickslash makes you attack faster but youre still just spamming the attack button

[tight viper]

Aight replace Fury with Dreamweaver then

[ruby agate]

it makes you play with nailarts more (and i love nailarts)

[real hearth]

if it’s top 5 for me it’s barely 5

[little fractal]

Quickslash is 90% of the reason Full Gear and AB play so differently

[light swan]

dreamweaver and nailmasters glory are close to counting tbh

[hybrid flare]

idk man compared to anything else she's just better imo

[quartz roost]

Ummm, Spell twister and Soul eater, since you're counting Shaman?

[orchid spruce]

karm is objectively superior, where's even the competition, void lace?

[ruby agate]

i love how theres always some nubbie sideplot in this channel

[frosty light]

strength and shaman stone fuck up nail arts as well

[light swan]

those DONT count

[hybrid flare]

yeah that's her competition

[real hearth]

oh wait i was thinking full series ngl in sk shes prob top 3

[little fractal]

Dreamshield makes you lose braincells when trying to use
Elegy uhhhhh idk it's like fury but bad

[real hearth]

or like #4

[hybrid flare]

full series i meant she still mogs

[ruby agate]

WE FORGOT ABOUT THE BEST CHARM GLOWING WOMB

[tight viper]

I wish Elegy was good

[light swan]

fotf, shamans, strength, stuff that influences your hp, stuff like nail length, stuff like steady body or stalwart shell, dont really count imo

[orchid spruce]

karm is the best boss in the entire franchaise

[real hearth]

full series she’s in my 7-10 range

[hybrid flare]

idk what could be better man

[light swan]

idk i gained braincells learning to use dreamshield optimally

[real hearth]

i would rather fight nkg 100/100 times

[little fractal]

Oh of course
Flukenest

[lavish apex]

full series karm is probably 2nd for me

[frosty light]

the world if spells didnt interrupt nail art charge unless you let go of the button mid spell: (idk good)

[hybrid flare]

nkg feels very repetitive up to a point

[orchid spruce]

she's the perfected version of pure vessel after team cherry studies boss design

[ruby agate]

dude it has to be defender's crest and glowing womb

[quartz roost]

The same premise has Shaman altering it, all those 3 actually do is just motivate you to use spells much more

[lavish apex]

pv 1st

[ruby agate]

its ok guys im the best hollow knight boss

[little fractal]

Flukenest is probably the charm that will alter your style the most

[hybrid flare]

the only real comp karm has is lost lace imo

[exotic dome]

true

[orchid spruce]

pure vessel has very obvious flaws with flow, random ass tendrils & rune rage because they look cool but kill the pace

[quartz roost]

Low RNG probably has a role in that

[light swan]

:( so you just hate me and you want me to vanish from this world

[tight viper]

Forebrothers solo every other boss in the series

[little fractal]

Steady Body is insanely impactful
Almost as impactful as Flukenest

[lavish apex]

i mean no not really

[hybrid flare]

No 2nd senti's in my top 5 in the series

[ruby agate]

illusion we forgot aout glowing womb

[hybrid flare]

He doesn't have many mixups

[light swan]

impactful but i dont think it fundamentally changes the playstyle

[exotic dome]

1. karm 2. ll 3. pv

i used to put absrad on third but after i ran through hall of gods recently, pv is just better

[light swan]

its an automatic summon how does it changey our playstyle

[frosty light]

well they already made a unique laurence beast fight before the dlc so

[little fractal]

Impactful I'm using as "Fundamentally changes your style"

[ruby agate]

defender's crest ig

[real hearth]

the bosses i have personally ahead of her in both games are l3, pv, first sinner, nkg, absrad, and dancers,

[light swan]

defenders crest maybe

[real hearth]

she would be next after those

[light swan]

something like thorns of agony i guess changes your playstyle

[little fractal]

Most impactful in order is probably like
Flukenest
Steady Body
Quickslash
Dashmaster
Sharp Shadow

[lavish apex]

i don't think attacks with different timings are bad

[ruby agate]

steady body dont even trip dawg

[little fractal]

That does nothing

[light swan]

it changes your playstyle?

[ruby agate]

you're advocating for quickslash

[light swan]

maneuvering around the boss to get defcrest damage

[lavish apex]

both pv's rune rage and tendrils are still very punishable and pretty fun

[little fractal]

Is the worst dps in the game worth it? No

[quartz roost]

Thous the low RNG mainly. I think it's one of the most fair fights in the game (I'm open for being corrected), mainly because of the low RNG

[light swan]

why are we talking about worth it and dps???????????????????????????

[ruby agate]

we're just talking about the gameplay changes in general not how good they are

[light swan]

when the fuck did that EVER matter ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

[real hearth]

when i was doing p5 i genuinely could not for the life of me dodge tendrils its a massive skill issue for me

[frosty light]

shaman incentivizes double hits tbf

[hybrid flare]

I wouldnt say bloodletting is laurence really

[kind tide]

erm, FELLAS?

[light swan]

genuinely flabbergasted

[light swan]

true

[real hearth]

after silksong i went back and i never got hit but before and during my p4-5 attempts i really struggled with it

[hybrid flare]

laurence transformed and was murdered on the spot

[light swan]

1. second sentinel
2. pure vessel
3. karmelita
4. lost lace
5. lost kin

[hybrid flare]

The attacks dont allow for many mixups and he ends up tping after each

[little fractal]

If you're using crest it's not to use it on the boss the whole time to gain damage
It's just chip damage you will get for free over time that ultimate will not change how you approach the boss, it's just a dead slot

[little fractal]

The damage is so pathetic it is just never worth changing your style for it and just actually adapt the charm to you

[real hearth]

i love second sentinel representation

[quartz roost]

What is this list for?

[lavish apex]

i like the focus attack because you can time a ddark or get out and throw shade souls depending on positioning or what you feel like and both are great options

[real hearth]

second sentinel is super cool

[light swan]

best bosses thorughout both games

[little fractal]

@light swan

[light swan]

this isnt about if its worth it or not

its about if it changes your playstyle

[ruby agate]

this list is wrong theres no gorb

[quartz roost]

Yeah, a very predictable fight

[lavish apex]

focus is also a healing opportunity with quick focus or shape of unn

[light swan]

dreamshield for example has me position myself based on the shield and rotate around the boss to optimize it

[lavish apex]

and one of the coolest ones in the game

[frosty light]

idk if he actually was supposed to be, pre-dlc, i do think its possible, since it fits more, but that was a joken since _now+ we can definitely tell hes not laurence.

[light swan]

sharp shadow turns my safety option into a potential damage option

[ruby agate]

gorb is the best hollow knight character

[light swan]

grubberfly elegy makes me into a ranged character

[lavish apex]

sharp shadow is really cool

[real hearth]

gorb is so good we can’t include him because everyone knows he’s #1

it’s unfair

[light swan]

all of those change your playstyle

[little fractal]

If it's not worth to change your style to suit one thing from the charm you just won't adapt to it
What I'm saying is crest is best used as if it wasn't there. That is ultimately what is gonna be affecting how you play

[light swan]

defneders crest has you stick to bosses and maneuver around

[lavish apex]

karmelita is probably in my top 5 bosses ever

[quartz roost]

(My opinion)

1. Karmelita/NKG
2. Karmelita/NKG
3. PV
4. LL
5. ABSRAD

[lavish apex]

maybe top 3 even
i'm not sure

[light swan]

i think youre just completely misunderstanding me

and i dont think its worth my time to explain to you

[autumn flicker]

Hello

[real hearth]

there’s prob something i’m missing with her but the flow of the fight is not as fluid as i would like

[quartz roost]

Howdy

[light swan]

shaman stone makes double hits way more viable and therefore again influences the player's positioning

[autumn flicker]

What's going on

[light swan]

flukenest fundamentally changes your spell

[real hearth]

in my experience all of the bosses i like more are faster paced even if a bit one note

[quartz roost]

Ummm, figuring out what charms alter the players play style

[tight viper]

Oh, Joni's Blessing

[autumn flicker]

Theres steady body

[quartz roost]

And also what boss is the best and stuff like that

[tight viper]

Hiveblood is similar

[quartz roost]

Already been said

[light swan]

nailmasters glory and dreamweaver all strengthen their respective thing, idk if that counts as a playstyle change

hiveblood fundamentally alters how you want to heal so yea

steady body i guess i can reason the playstyle revolving around boxing bosses into a corner

[real hearth]

nmg probably leans playstyle because if you put it on you are playing around nail arts

[autumn flicker]

Heavy blow but umm it really doesn't do it's job well

[light swan]

jonis blessing removes healing iirc so that changes playstyle

[light swan]

how does this influence playstyle

[quartz roost]

I wouldn't say Dreamwelder alters, but Nailmasters glory does

[autumn flicker]

Knocking enemies way more farther

[light swan]

how does this influence playstyle

[autumn flicker]

Than usual making you think about the recoil way more

[frosty light]

positioning to get the knightlings to snipe the oomas into uumuu for you during r5 🔥🔥🔥

[quartz roost]

Also it's Hive Knight

[light swan]

ykw this conversation is going nowhere 💔 i got what i wanted

[little fractal]

I get your point but you're analizing the ability in a vacuum as of using each charm was the core of your strategy.
Some charms do function as this like Flukenest, Quickslash and even Elegy even if it sucks.
But some charms are not there to be THE strategy and just there as support, like crest
When you bring crest you're not bringing it so it is gonna be the damage output, it's chip damage, that's what it does, that's its niche. And this is what will fundamentally shape the player's actions.

[tight viper]

Gathering Swarm alters your playstyle

[real hearth]

i did this with grimmchild

[light swan]

genuinely just pedantics at this point and its kinda annoying me

[real hearth]

radiant uumuu with grimmchild is by far the worst experience i’ve had in either of the games

[light swan]

so what if defenders crest is part of the strategy?

[quartz roost]

Try just a full summon build on radiant, it's a nightmare

[frosty light]

i mean if you already have it equipped youll still benefit from supplementing your damage with it

[light swan]

anyway sawtooth cirlcet is dreamshield but goated

[real hearth]

i will soon i need to do pv & nkg first

[light swan]

thats all that matters

that, and second sentinel is the best bossfight throughout both games

[real hearth]

my main build for pantheons was summon build

[little fractal]

Sure

[light swan]

i changed my mind dreamshield is cooler than sawtooth circlet

[quartz roost]

I meant to say: radiant Uumuu

[quartz roost]

You have my sympathy

[real hearth]

i had on weaversong and grimmchildfor radiant uumuu

the spiders kept standing on the jellyfish spawns and immediately exploding me with no counterplay

[quartz roost]

But that's not enough

[real hearth]

is there another summon

[dusk quail]

i genuinely read uuwuu

[real hearth]

i actually enjoyed it grimmchild is the most fun charm in the game

[frosty light]

you can hit enemies with your nail and grubberfly elegy beam separately depending on your range but the window is debilitatingly narrow and i cant even find a clip it

[quartz roost]

Glowing womb, Defender's crest, and can throw Flunknest and Dreamshield in there too

[real hearth]

i’ll look into that

[quartz roost]

And if ya want Elegy

[real hearth]

idk if i’ll go back into uumuu that was traumatizing

but i might use that for markoth or something

[quartz roost]

Not a half bad idea lol

[real hearth]

he’s one of the ones i’m missing i think i have like 4 or 5 left

[quartz roost]

Maybe just take Defender and womb out though

[frosty light]

simply add each one to the other game tc 😤

[real hearth]

whenever i get on th game i will try it out

[quartz roost]

Alright. Tell me how it goes please.

I meant take those out if you want a decent build, put them in for more pain in.

[real hearth]

😭

i like the summons they are so fun

ppl hate on grimmchild but then use the most boring charm in the game instead

[opaque sigil]

I mean yeah the boring charms are the good ones

don't hate the player hate the game

[ruby agate]

squilbert

[real hearth]

true but fun better than good

[rich pagoda]

I personally don't like the summon charms for a pretty simple reason:
They attack stuff I don't want them to attack. Which can be really bad if you're in Idk, Fog Canyon.

[opaque sigil]

summons are very bad for bosses because they'll end staggers early

[real hearth]

grimmchild vs uumuu is nightmare fuel

[rich pagoda]

I don't wanna have to change my charms for a specific area or boss because it'll just kill me for having it
I do also get annoyed at the summons for ruining staggers early

[real hearth]

on other bosses its not that bad honesty, they eat staggers but at most u lose one hit so its not the worst thing ever

[opaque sigil]

losing a hit isn't the problem losing a generous heal window is

[real hearth]

healing is fair

[rich pagoda]

So for me, it's more practical to not have the summons

[real hearth]

it’s def more practical to not have

i won’t disagree there

[sinful pebble]

am I lame and boring for using the wanderers crest the whole game?

[real hearth]

use what u like

[opaque sigil]

no and don't listen to anyone who says otherwise which they will

[real hearth]

name of the game

[rich pagoda]

I don't have Cogflies but I can imagine that they might be annoying even though they're beloved

[opaque sigil]

cogflies are fine

hitting enemies in ss doesn't end stagger so it doesn't really matter

[real hearth]

cogflies are so awesome too

[rich pagoda]

Hmmm

[real hearth]

in sk my main setup is cogfly pollip pouch, pouch is not that good but it looks cool so i use it

[sinful pebble]

Ok but the dang beast creat is just straight bad right?

[real hearth]

every crest has its uses

[rich pagoda]

I'm iffy on using em. I will unlock them but I kinda like the amount of control I have over my attacks

[real hearth]

that’s fair

[rich pagoda]

So maybe no Coggies for me

[sinful pebble]

no pogo is awful for me :/

[orchid spruce]

beast is one of the better crests

[sinful pebble]

eh??

porque

[real hearth]

playstyle not meshing with summons is totally valid

[rich pagoda]

Different strokes for different blokes. You're allowed to not mesh well with Beast crest
Man it's nice to have a mostly positive SK discussion. Rare sight.

[real hearth]

Yeah just mess around with crests and find which one u like best @sinful pebble no shame in your choice

[vale whale]

not shaman

shaman is for mindless idiots

[rich pagoda]

I personally don't like Beast or Wanderer
I'm big on Hunter and Architect

[sinful pebble]

i never found it 🙁

[real hearth]

nobody in a right state of mind would use shaman

[tight viper]

Shaman is peak

[real hearth]

the right state of mind part applies here

[rich pagoda]

I plan to use Shaman once I get it

[real hearth]

i like reaper

[tight viper]

What is the right state of mind

[rich pagoda]

It looks perfect for me ^-^

[sinful pebble]

Reaper is so cool

[real hearth]

aligning with my opinions as they are of course the most correct

Yo

[sinful pebble]

but wanderer just let me play so freaking aggressive just following the boss around and hitting them constantly

[rich pagoda]

I'm mid on Reaper
I don't love it. I don't hate it. I just outright prefer Hunter's moveset

[real hearth]

That’s fair

[tight viper]

Shaman moveset is perfect

[real hearth]

the biggest reason i like reaper is it allows me to control my character a bit better than other crests with pogo and how it moves

[tight viper]

Everything about it is just amazing

[real hearth]

since i’m slow the pace matches my playstyle a bit better

[sinful pebble]

it just ended up being very slow for my playstyle but the heal bonus is completely insane

[real hearth]

yeah the free silk is super nice

it’s slow but i like slow so it’s perfect for me

[sinful pebble]

where did you get the shaman crest?

[tight viper]

Ruined Chapel

[sinful pebble]

isnt that wanderers?

[tight viper]

Nope

[sinful pebble]

ill just look it up

[real hearth]

you might not have access it’s really late game

[sinful pebble]

I beat the game already

[real hearth]

did you get soar

[sinful pebble]

ye

[real hearth]

ok nvm u can get

[tight viper]

Lore tablet in the Ruined Chapel, silk soar near that

[real hearth]

^^

[sinful pebble]

Ohhh got it

[real hearth]

to the right inside there’s a thingy u can go up

[sinful pebble]

silk soar is so annoying

making me check everything suspicious 😡

[real hearth]

i really struggled with it in some areas

[vale whale]

" moveset " frito you just spam +thread storm with volt filament

[tight viper]

No

[real hearth]

😭

[tight viper]

I'm talking about the needle moveset itself

It's perfect

[vale whale]

it doesnt matter

[sinful pebble]

I failed trying to use it like three times in the lava anime moment part

[tight viper]

That's just false

[real hearth]

ikwym

[vale whale]

you use it enough times to get a cast and then slaughter every enemy

[real hearth]

trying to get back to cradle genuinely took me way longer than i’d like to admit

[tight viper]

You don't have to play Shaman like that, though

[real hearth]

because i kept missing

[vale whale]

that's the intended way clearly

[tight viper]

And?

[exotic cedar]

Shaman getting the architect type of hate

[vale whale]

it sucks

[real hearth]

the intended way to play shaman is to unlock them bench and swap back to reaper

[tight viper]

What the hell is this shit

[vale whale]

or wanderer or hunter or beast or witch or even fucking architect

[sinful pebble]

yeah same oml

[tight viper]

Y'all can't be hating on something you've never actually tried

[real hearth]

architect dont deserve that hate

[mortal bluff]

Say what you want about lost lace, but damn does she have a lot of moves

[sinful pebble]

wanderer ftw

[vale whale]

atleast architects have a genuinely insufferable moveset that takes actual skill to make competent

[real hearth]

tbf you’re right i haven’t actually used it i tried it for like 45 seconds when i unlocked it and didn’t like the feeling of it

[sinful pebble]

Shes so awesome

I lowk wanted her to have more hp

[real hearth]

i thought you were tier listing the frames of the cutscene mid fight 😭

[vale whale]

i did try it it's slow fat and has a beam blade the intention is obviously to play like an int user and run and cast

[real hearth]

for a second

[exotic cedar]

Voidslop

[real hearth]

truth sadly

[mortal bluff]

Most complex slop ever made lol

[tight viper]

You didn't try it long enough to learn the full potential of the moveset

[vale whale]

however even if you don't use it like that the moveset doesnt have a very high skill ceiling it's extremely basic

[tight viper]

You can sprint to cancel the swing cooldown

[sinful pebble]

no she remixes the three moves well IMO

[real hearth]

i really struggled i would’ve liked less 😭

[tight viper]

You're saying objectively false things lmao

Like, that is a provably false statement

Shaman's moveset has a high skill ceiling, I am proof of that

[sinful pebble]

She was hard but so insanely fun

[real hearth]

lost lace would be so peak if the background was like 10-15% brighter than her instead of the same color

and the foreground didnt look the same as the attacks

[sinful pebble]

this was the most annoying thing in the fight

[mortal bluff]

Void bosses are objectively cool. Is it lame that the only pure void bosses suck somehow? Yes. But we simply pray for better ones. (By pure I mean collector and summoned savior)

[real hearth]

don’t hate on collextor

he has so much charm i love him

[sinful pebble]

void given form ahhh

[vale whale]

the crest with slow swing speed and a long range swing which can hold 3 skills and has increased damage on skills isnt made to use skills???

[mortal bluff]

Also genuinely think that the void only having 4 moves spread across every enemy and boss makes act 3 and void content worse

[vale whale]

i think saying it ISN'T made to use them is objectively wrong

[strange knot]

Collector doesn’t suck?

[vale whale]

it's a funny boss imo

[sinful pebble]

collector is decent

[mortal bluff]

Lost garmond, summoned savior, and lost lace all share attacks with common enemies

[tight viper]

I never said anything like that, I said that the needle is perfectly capable of being used to great effect

Case in point

[real hearth]

the void enemies are kinda annoying how samey they are but i really liked the story of act 3 and the act had some of the most memorable moments in that way for me

[sinful pebble]

I liked that, I knew what the moves were before fighting her which was cool

And she has so many moves it doesn't feel repetitive

[static falcon]

I genuinely hate the elegy of the deep boss run back just because of that little cutscene where hornet falls over

It’s cool the first time but then it’s just annoying

[vale whale]

youre just pogoing i could do this with reaper if i was good enough at pogo spamming😭😭😭

[tight viper]

No, you couldn't

[real hearth]

yeah it’s kinda annoying

[tight viper]

Reaper's slow. Shaman isn't

[static falcon]

See even hornet agrees with me

[vale whale]

theres a reason the pogo is considered oh so good even when reaper has the innate delay

[sinful pebble]

cool and awesome and makes me want to fight seth again

[real hearth]

MY drawing of hornet agrees with you, hornet would call it a “minor inconvenience”

[tight viper]

Reaper's pogo delay is unavoidable. Shaman's is easily avoidable

[static falcon]

Well MAYBE hornet should lock in and not fall over then

[tight viper]

If you're gonna slander this crest, be correct in your criticisms

[real hearth]

this does look kinda cool admittedly

[static falcon]

Sawtooth circlet spotted

[frosty light]

you can also dash to cancel shaman's side slashes and then attack again

[real hearth]

it’s a bit too fast paced gameplay for my liking but it does look cool

[vale whale]

reaper has a way bigger hitbox too and it pushes you forward not to mention the delay isn't that big

[lament vessel]

Good kill that little shit

[real hearth]

what boss r u fighting that u keep dying like a bum

tell your version of hornet to lock in

[vale whale]

shaman is designed to be a shit crest and it plays like one when you play it like that all youre sending is pogo clips man

[static falcon]

Well first it was Khann now it’s Karmelita since I haven’t played the game in ages

[tight viper]

Shaman's pogo hitbox is leagues better, and the forward momentum isn't a good thing. The backwards momentum of Shaman's pogo can be helpful for dodging shit

[real hearth]

gl

[tight viper]

Aight, here's the dash attack then

[frosty light]

doesnt shaman have the greatest downward range

[lament vessel]

Gl if you keep losing remember Pollip pouch and tool spam destroys her

[tight viper]

I mostly have pogo stuff because I do floorless stuff but I have other stuff too

[vale whale]

clawline

[tight viper]

There's that one clip from Illusion with the Spear Skarr as well

[tight viper]

It's called synergy, pal

dash attack into the clawline

[vale whale]

IT'S ALL CLAWLINE!!!

reference

[frosty light]

witch moment

[static falcon]

Wait, it’s all claw line?

[exotic cedar]

Witch is clawline slop

[vale whale]

witch has aura tho

[real hearth]

see that clip is irrelevant because u can’t use that crest or clawline on widow normally

[exotic cedar]

Its still clawline slop

[tight viper]

Shaman bind has crazy aura

[vale whale]

witch inherently requires a fuckton of skill to make playable

[frosty light]

normal witch attacks are basically clawlines anyway just look at the shape

[tight viper]

It isn't because you can apply this strat to other situations

[static falcon]

Witch down slash is genuine aura

[exotic cedar]

It isnt that hard tbh

[vale whale]

only when i waste my silk to do a tuff desolate dive

[real hearth]

i’m larping

[tight viper]

Also we're gonna get godhome someday

[real hearth]

surely

[old compass]

if you constantly use the witch crest pogo you turn into an actual hornet

[frosty light]

mods might be the best we're getting, highkey 😭

[real hearth]

i know nobody else wants this but i am praying for a fourth chorus rematch somewhere in silksong’s dlcs

that boss has so much potential

[lament vessel]

Everyone wants this

[static falcon]

Welcome to godhome! We have: lost lace (again), lost garmond (again), EVIL widow, and widow (again)

[frosty light]

have two of them

[vale whale]

prime fourth chorus and pin(seam)stress helps

[real hearth]

holy

[lament vessel]

Fr

[frosty light]

any boss can be improved by there just being another one of them arbitrarily

[static falcon]

Go back to the twelfth architect and those deactivated choruses jump your ass

[frosty light]

ANY boss

[tight viper]

Nah, not VFK

Vengefly King goes from being an okayish boss to the worst boss in HK

[frosty light]

i was gonna say youre right since double vfk is double vfk but nah when the first one dies is also when i lose a fragment of my soul

[static falcon]

Even Grimm apparently

[real hearth]

my head canon for a 4th chorus rematch is one themed around mount fay where the crystal guys are the floor instead of the lava platforms and you have to bounce around to hit him

[vale whale]

you just stand still or pogo and fall it sucks😭😭

[real hearth]

they will never do that but it would be so cool

[frosty light]

TRUE‼️‼️‼️

[tight viper]

If clawline existed in HK, VFK would be fun

[static falcon]

Sea of sorrow has an ocean chorus obviously

[real hearth]

need that

[vale whale]

if clawline existed in hk any boss would be fun

[tight viper]

If Elegy actually had a pogo effect, it would be even more fun

[vale whale]

alot of hk's early threats are fat guys who float

[frosty light]

you can chase it with some weird pogos into off-screen but you can also sort of do that with two of them around

[vale whale]

the true final boss is a fat guy who floats

[static falcon]

A lot of silksong’s early threats are round guys who hit you

[tight viper]

Not really, no

[real hearth]

gms radiance duo fight

[frosty light]

all of silksong's bosses are ze'mer if she became even shorter

[static falcon]

God I hate the underworks npcs

[frosty light]

except the parries no longer deal damage and also its very differenceted

[static falcon]

no

[real hearth]

phantom def

[frosty light]

wdym no i just disagreed with myself what could this mean

[static falcon]

no

[frosty light]

😭

[static falcon]

this comes from Harold and George, who STILL deny everything!

[tight viper]

I feel the need to put this here as well

[vale whale]

imagine if sea of sorrow isn't a half baked cut content fest and it gets into tga and so does e33 dlc

[frosty light]

ironically while phantom has that parry swiping thing and spam tps everywhere, i was referring to how half the enemies in the sequel have endless flurry slashes going everywhere, which just. coincidentally coincided with the hardest pale court boss spamming the exact same shit a few years prior.

[vale whale]

retribution for silksong

[real hearth]

mmm i see what you’re saying

[real hearth]

i haven’t played e33 shoukd i play it

[frosty light]

pictured: the difference of that matchup compared to the original

[real hearth]

it won over silksong so it has to be good

[real hearth]

this boss was so disappointing on my first playthrough

[vale whale]

NO

[vale whale]

all i see is " silksong wins "

sub 5 ugly ai slop orphan trying to parrymaxx

true parry lord emerges and terramogs claiming her ai soul

[real hearth]

okay but what if it’s to slander it more accurately

i dont have to buy it my friend bought it on our gameshare

[vale whale]

okay bet

but do not fall to the ways of the dark side on your infiltration

[frosty light]

isnt hornet an orphan trying to parrymax

[real hearth]

ue5slop could never win me over

[vale whale]

no she doesnt parrymaxx she just parries sometimes

only once in canon for sure

[frosty light]

was removing parry damage team cherry's mercy?

but then why buff cross stitch........

[real hearth]

fun

[frosty light]

beating phantom isnt even canon smh 😌

[vale whale]

ehhhh i like to think all bosses are canon

[frosty light]

allegedly team cherry doesnt like things to be canon like that and every playthrough is its own canon route

[real hearth]

phantom is cooler than last judge so she is more canon to me without knowing anything at all

[vale whale]

and all bosses is mine🗣🗣🗣

[mortal bluff]

Alright decently interesting question here. Do we prefer the robot bosses as a whole, or the void bosses as a whole?

[exotic cedar]

Robots

Mostly carried by second sentinel

[mortal bluff]

You prefer second sentinel to cog dancers?

[old compass]

is pure vessel technically a void boss

is hornet technically a void bo-

[exotic cedar]

Yes

[mortal bluff]

If we count pure vessel and lost garmond it’s an easy W

[vale whale]

2 voids are lazy slop all 3 robots are original and fun

[mortal bluff]

Yeahhh but LL is peak

[vale whale]

no she isnt

[mortal bluff]

Peak combat

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-gif-3749724709641675358

[old compass]

tbf the steel soul boss needs to be slop because the runback will be too much otherwise

[lavish apex]

lost garmond is slop

[exotic cedar]

True

So many trues today

[lavish apex]

while pv is like
imo the peak of combat in the series

so ig that still balances out in favor of void

[wooden schooner]

@tropic junco hows silksong going

[old compass]

someone make a choir boss out of robots

[rich pagoda]

Also my knitting isn't going well today. At least not my strawberry socks.

I can't do anything to make the fabric stretchy enough to pass over my heel.

So I'm probably turning the project into a strawberry hat

It's such a shame because they're really cute

[mortal bluff]

That is rather cute

Good job

[rich pagoda]

Yea, but unfortunately if I have to fight it to get it over my heel, it's not going to work out very well

It's well made, but colourwork tends to not like being stretchy

[mortal bluff]

Well that’s fine. You made some cute ass strawberries in the process, next project should go more to plan hopefully

[rich pagoda]

Yea
A hat doesn't have to try and stretch between 2 different circumferences. Just one

[mortal bluff]

It’ll be dope

[rich pagoda]

Plus I can make a red pom pom lol

[real hearth]

robots have 0 misses

easily them imo

i love the void bosses thematically but for void LL is forcefully dragging the average up to make up for the slack

[rich pagoda]

I prefer the robots
Namely because the group doesn't include my nemesis (Collector)

[lavish apex]

collector is mid and summoned savior is really bad

[rich pagoda]

Well
Yes, but I have specific Collector related trauma from P5 AB Collector

[real hearth]

also not pictured is lost garmond which is equally as terrible as summoned savior

[rich pagoda]

So I hate Collector so much

[lavish apex]

team cherry please don't put bad bosses in the dlc

please

it can peak so hard

[real hearth]

does hk have any bad dlc bosses

[rich pagoda]

Savage Beastfly 3 on its way to ruin the DLC

[lavish apex]

only winged nosk tbh

[real hearth]

i forgot about that thing

disgusting

[lavish apex]

get ready for duo beastflies in silkhome

[real hearth]

this would highkey be fun but they aren’t ready for that discussion

[lavish apex]

actually genuinely if they make another beastfly fight i'm not finishing whatever dlc it's a part of

as soon as i see it i'm closing the game

[rich pagoda]

Winged Nosk sucks yea
I'd also argue that Markoth's Ascended version is rude but I literally can't complain about Markoth because I find him really easy

[real hearth]

beastfly 2 is is overhated

[lavish apex]

ass boss

[real hearth]

it’s bad but it’s not any worse than the first one

[lavish apex]

no it's way worse

[rich pagoda]

He's fine if you use tools and spells to kill him and the adds.
He's not fine if you fight him with less kit or low needle upgrades

[lavish apex]

how is flying adds that shoot a lingering projectile that blends in with the background not worse

[real hearth]

the arena makes up for it

more fun to play in when positioning matters

[lavish apex]

the arena is fun discounting that absolute bullshit

[real hearth]

i’m not denying that shit is awful don’t get me wrong

[lavish apex]

and the fact that the boss kind of isn't innately

[rich pagoda]

Tbf my solution is to sharpdart those guys before they can do anything

Now if I couldn't use anything to blast them off my screen
I cry

[real hearth]

i’m just saying the arena is as good as those are bad

which makes it about the same as beastfly 1 to me

[lavish apex]

yeah i thread storm them and toolspam the actual boss in replays

it's not like genuinely that hard if you play like that but it still Sucks

[real hearth]

dash is fire too

[lavish apex]

lost lace also has like pretty bad visibility issues but she makes up for it by being good in most other ways

[rich pagoda]

Agreed. I am scared of the idea of AB Beastfly 2, or just Low% Beastfly 2. No needle upgrades, no tools and likely just Cross Stitch picked up since it's one of the two options for Act 2 access and Phantom's path requires less %s...

[real hearth]

agreed

[lavish apex]

beastfly 2 is just
really the worst boss in either game for me

like not strictly mechanically

although that's a factor

[real hearth]

the unraveled kind of takes that one for me

[lavish apex]

but also conceptually

[real hearth]

god that boss sucks

[rich pagoda]

Vengefly King type of boss

[lavish apex]

unravelled is the most anti-fun fight in the game by far

[real hearth]

beastfly is inoffensive to me personally but the unraveled is actually just despicable

[lavish apex]

but like at least it has aura

even if the gameplay is probably worse

[rich pagoda]

Unravelled is weak to tacks and silkshot

Just simply fire lazer

And commit warcrimes

[real hearth]

awful hitboxes, short windows, so much stalling, takes forever to start the fight… it actually has every bad quality other than summons 😭

[lavish apex]

markoth is a pretty solid competitor but i think within the context of fighting him outside of p5/asc/rad he's just whatever

[real hearth]

like if u fight the unraveled underleveled it actually is so painful

[lavish apex]

oblobbles too

same thing

[real hearth]

markoth and oblobbles yeah

[lavish apex]

no it has those too

like 60% of the way through its healthbar it just leaves and summons two guys that you have to kill before it comes back

[real hearth]

oh my god i forgot about that part yup

it actually just has every quality that makes a boss bad

[rich pagoda]

I still can't complain about Markoth because I would rather do Radkoth 10 times than actually try grinding P5 Collector AB more
Because I can actually do Radkoth very reliably. AB Markoth too. It's just something about Collector that is a complete wall.

[real hearth]

😭 😭

[lavish apex]

radkoth was one of the most miserable gaming experiences i have ever had

[rich pagoda]

Replace P5 Collector AB with 2 Markoths. I'll do it

[lavish apex]

it might just be the worst one actually, all told

[rich pagoda]

Glances at footage of Nail Only Radkoth AB.
I'm just really good at dealing with Markoth.
The reason is because the chaos can be controlled. GPZ's chaos can also be controlled.

Collector is a piece of garbage that refuses to behave

[lavish apex]

nvm it actually does this twice

my bad

[real hearth]

i’m telling you bro

unraveled IS so bad

[rich pagoda]

Unraveled does suck yea

[lavish apex]

yeah i mean like
the vibes and buildup are cool

[real hearth]

yeah it has good vibes

[lavish apex]

but the gameplay design is like less fun than rubbing your fingers on the sharp side of a cheese grater

[rich pagoda]

My honest to goodness trick for Markoth is actually to move as little as possible. The swords aim at you no matter where they spawn so the less you move around the easier it is to keep the swords from flying into your skull

This has the consequence of being really slow

Which is likely why I don't see it done much

[real hearth]

you know thinking about it a lot of the worst bosses between the two games are in sk

[rich pagoda]

I think you might be forgetting that HK has some stinkers

[lavish apex]

i think this is because silksong makes them actually grating in the context of a normal playthrough whereas in hk1 they don't really overstay their welcome for the most part

unless you're doing like radhog

[real hearth]

it does but not as bad as hk since the bosses that suck in hk are really fast

[rich pagoda]

Yea until you play AB and then they're all slow

[lavish apex]

although like

[real hearth]

sk on the contrary you have the aforementioned ones but also shit like broodmother and zango

[lavish apex]

flukemarm without nail upgrades or strength is

[rich pagoda]

So you have to make peace with the likes of Flukemarm

[lavish apex]

really really ass

[real hearth]

flukemarm is down there too

[lavish apex]

ab flukemarm sounds awful

[real hearth]

flukemarm is one of the reasons i don’t want to bother practicing for ab

[rich pagoda]

Nah I think Flukemarm is more problematic without the soul to spell blast + Abyss Shriek
Nail damage unimportant

[lavish apex]

my most recent playthrough i banned strength/shaman/quickslash and didn't go past sharp nail and flukemarm was pretty annoying

[rich pagoda]

It's not as bad as Collector
It's not too bad because you can do a triple poke Abyss Shriek combo and not have to bother with the adds too much

I think you can also cyclone for early quick damage

[exotic cedar]

Gpz is also abysmal in all bindings

[real hearth]

i lowkey traded with radiant flukemarm im awful at that fight

[rich pagoda]

As you float down and abyss shriek

Flukemarm doesn't have a lot of health

[exotic cedar]

The reason i stopped practicing all bindings is because of fucking gpz

[rich pagoda]

Oh yeah he's annoying

[real hearth]

gpz sounds evil as well

[rich pagoda]

I stopped practicing because of Collector
I actually struggle less with GPZ

[rose forge]

Twins, Who would have the most British accent in Silksong/Hollow Knight?

[rich pagoda]

Like I can deal with GPZ AB
I still can't do Collector

[real hearth]

last judge

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cat-purple-purple-fire-purple-fire-cat-gif-3798894259036181291

[lavish apex]

gpz is very fun under normal conditions

[queen acorn]

gpz is not fun

[old compass]

gpz exists

[real hearth]

or quirrel maybe

[old compass]

I think

gpz technically doesn't exist

[tropic junco]

pretty good, it's not that hard despite me dying a million times

[real hearth]

he’s fun outside of rad/ab

[lavish apex]

i like rad gpz

[safe dune]

GHOST RIDER IS DRIVING A BIKE AT SPEED u. TUNTUNG SAHUR JUMPS UP FROM THE BIKE WITH SPEED v AT AN ANGLE \theta TO ESCAPE THE FLAMES. AT THE SAME MOMENT, GHOST RIDER HITS THE BRAKES WITH A CONSTANT SLOW-DOWN FORCE a. IF TUNTUNG STAYS IN THE AIR FOR A TIME T = \frac{2v\sin\theta}{g}, FIND THE VALUE OF a SO THAT TUNTUNG LANDS PERFECTLY BACK ON THE SEAT INSTEAD OF CRASHING INTO THE DIRT. USE THE FACT THAT THEIR TOTAL FORWARD DISTANCE MUST BE THE SAME TO SURVIVE

Solve guys

[queen acorn]

but he sucks

[real hearth]

thanks

[safe dune]

Plz solve

[old compass]

what

[safe dune]

SKIBIDI MAN IS TRAPPED INSIDE A GIANT VACUUM SPHERE OF RADIUS R. THE WALLS ARE AT ABSOLUTE ZERO (0 K). TO SAVE HIM, TV LADY STANDS AT THE EXACT CENTER AND RADIATES POWER P ISOTROPICALLY.

Solve this too

[real hearth]

chatgpt

[queen acorn]

i didnt know people actually enjoy gpzs fight

[real hearth]

i like it

[wooden schooner]

orz

[queen acorn]

its js so bad and terrible

[real hearth]

it has charm and the flow has a good pace

[exotic cedar]

I do. Its my favorite

[lavish apex]

it's pretty common

[safe dune]

Lmao

[real hearth]

what don’t u like about it

[safe dune]

Bro plz solve GHOST RIDER IS DRIVING A BIKE AT SPEED u. TUNTUNG SAHUR JUMPS UP FROM THE BIKE WITH SPEED v AT AN ANGLE \theta TO ESCAPE THE FLAMES. AT THE SAME MOMENT, GHOST RIDER HITS THE BRAKES WITH A CONSTANT SLOW-DOWN FORCE a. IF TUNTUNG STAYS IN THE AIR FOR A TIME T = \frac{2v\sin\theta}{g}, FIND THE VALUE OF a SO THAT TUNTUNG LANDS PERFECTLY BACK ON THE SEAT INSTEAD OF CRASHING INTO THE DIRT. USE THE FACT THAT THEIR TOTAL FORWARD DISTANCE MUST BE THE SAME TO SURVIVE

[real hearth]

thanks

[queen acorn]

theres no enjoyment its js a big dude jumping around

[lavish apex]

i've seen a decent amount of people say he's like a top 3 boss

[rose forge]

W H O I S GPZ

[rich pagoda]

The thing about GPZ AB is that it's actually really similar to base GPZ without the strength charm (hey guess what charm I don't use) and less uses of ddark and fireball for safety. Which can lead to tougher situations with bad RNG and very tight soul economy.

I do like fighting GPZ

[old compass]

GREY PRINCE ZOTE

[exotic cedar]

He's the best boss made by team cherry

[lavish apex]

i wouldn't go that far but i think he's like top 10 in hk1

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cat-purple-purple-fire-purple-fire-cat-gif-3798894259036181291

[rose forge]

O H

[queen acorn]

widow is the best tc boss

[exotic cedar]

Whar the fuck why is it purple now

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-dropkick-black-templar-gif-3633792756769275524

[queen acorn]

timezones

[rose forge]

timezones

[old compass]

timezones don't exist bruh

[queen acorn]

explain why the cats purple then

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-dropkick-black-templar-gif-3633792756769275524

[real hearth]

i like him but idt he’s that high for me, more of a testament to how much i like bosses in hk than gpz being mid

[real hearth]

u could glaze anyone and u choose widow

[exotic cedar]

Widow is good, even better than first shitter

[queen acorn]

widow is infact an incredible fight

[rose forge]

2 Appearances ever btw💔💔💔

[real hearth]

[rich pagoda]

I really want to go practice some GPZ AB because I have fun with him

Idk wtf I'm supposed to do about Collector AB. It's kind of my only wall in that game for P5AB. I gave up AB practice because of him.

[rose forge]

ATLEAST FIRST SINNER HAS AURA

[exotic cedar]

First slop

[real hearth]

first sinner is way better than widow

[rose forge]

WIDOW DOESN'T HAVE SHIT

[queen acorn]

lie

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/false-false-nuke-superman-liar-zsjl-gif-15611530618424918940

[queen acorn]

widows fight is so fun

[rich pagoda]

The issue is that Collector AB goes against ever pillar of my playstyle and it's bad.

[exotic cedar]

Widow feels way more fun esp because the stage you fight her in

[queen acorn]

collector is js bad

[exotic cedar]

FS feels a lot easier

[old compass]

true widow got her mask and silk taken from her she practically doesn't own anything anymore

[patent warren]

i'm so tired that when i search shovel knight i get hollow knight stuff just because they share the last name

[rich pagoda]

Play Shovel Knight too
Good games

[rose forge]

Specify it

[lavish apex]

i think i'd say mine is like

1. pv
2. nkg
3. sisters of battle
4. soul tyrant
5. white defender
6. hornet 2
7. radiance
8. mantis lords
9. grimm
10. gpz

both games is harder

[rich pagoda]

Specter of Torment helps you with the Silksong diagonal pogos

[real hearth]

i like widow but it has a problem to me where it’s not awful but its not outstanding either, it’s just great and thats it.

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/will-gif-24425150

[queen acorn]

valid as hell

widow over nkg for mine but valid

[real hearth]

first sinner the only flaw is that it’s a little too easy but otherwise i love it

[rose forge]

W H A T

[patent warren]

hm?

[lavish apex]

this is excluding silksong because that would be a lot harder to rank

[queen acorn]

here come the nkglazers

[exotic cedar]

Nkg vs fs at being overrated

[queen acorn]

then yeah valid

[rich pagoda]

He is bad. I'm just puzzled seeing people say he's easy and GPZ is hard.
It's the opposite for me

[patent warren]

there's a reason why i search shovwl knight

[lavish apex]

widow is
maybe top 3 in skong for me?

[queen acorn]

widow is very good

[lavish apex]

i'm not sure

[patent warren]

right now i wanna make a plague knight cosplay

[lavish apex]

definitely top 5

[queen acorn]

mhm

[rich pagoda]

Fuck yea that sounds cool

[queen acorn]

easily top 2 second maybe to crawfather

[rose forge]

like, "Shovel Knight Game"