sk-discussion

[flat remnant]

i hate des

[smoky nebula]

Des‽

[flat remnant]

des nuts gottem

[quartz cave]

foods optional btw did yall know that

[flat remnant]

i thought you were smarter....

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah you can just eat the water

[quartz cave]

bestie youre on hk main

[quartz cave]

if you become a water bender you can turn it into ice and eat that instead

[smoky nebula]

I am a fool

[flat remnant]

to the colosseum for you

[smoky nebula]

I shall be their champion

[quartz cave]

tlok sucks actually

yuri doesnt occur till the last season this is bullshit

[smoky nebula]

This is because of the evil indoctrination of the white Lotus

[quartz cave]

that mightve been funny ifn it wasnt ai overview

[quartz cave]

its clearly sozins fault

i still find it so funny that roku broke up with him so he made homosexuality illegal

and that its canon

[opaque sigil]

[quartz cave]

Well the last part, they SWEAR roku is straight but like clearly not

[fiery burrow]

Aang (Raava or wtv) x Katara is spiritually gay dw

[smoky nebula]

Wait but Korra is water tribe
They may have had their benders taken but they didn't get fire nation propaganda

All avatars like women
Except yangchen I think

I'll need to reread her novels

[fiery burrow]

Yangchen is a bum though

[quartz cave]

I mean if women existed in my world i would too, sadly they are not real 💔 😔

[fiery burrow]

Revoked her airbender philosophy

"You need to kill the leader of the genocidal empire" 🤓

[flat remnant]

anyone watch the movie that hasn't come out yet

[smoky nebula]

She also neglected the spirit world

[smoky nebula]

Yeah it's really good

[quartz cave]

This one tw**t i saw

[smoky nebula]

I mean
True

[flat remnant]

i wouldn't say really good per sé but i really enjoyed it

[fiery burrow]

I heard they did Sokka dirty

[quartz cave]

I wanna see it once it comes out tbh

[flat remnant]

the plot is kinda predictable but i think the questions it raises and the ideological conflict aang has is dirty

[flat remnant]

sokka is fine he gets good moments it's suki whom they screwed over

[quartz cave]

Still holding on to hope they release it theatrically (im waiting to see if they change stuff in the final version seeing as how its so far away)

[flat remnant]

she has 2 seconds of screentime as a background extra

[harsh yarrow]

rip im fake now yipep

[woeful skiff]

So, you've chosen death

[fiery burrow]

Tragic

[quartz cave]

yipyip?!?!?!?!?!

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-legend-of-aang-atla-avatar-state-aang-yip-yip-gif-17635379

[flat remnant]

her only line is "hey this tastes pretty good" in reference to some food she's holding

[smoky nebula]

Also aang's staff just disappears completely early in the movie and is never addressed what happened to it

[fiery burrow]

didn't he burn it in the show or something

[flat remnant]

there's a moment with sokka and some kids i feel like you could've pretty handily explained she's training kiyoshi warriors or she's on a retreat or something but she gets nary a mention

i like toph in this i fw her heavy

[smoky nebula]

He gets a new one later in the show

[orchid spruce]

mai has more screentime than her

[fiery burrow]

oh its been a while since i've watched

no limit to the larp

[quartz cave]

I love how in ember island play they know exact lines of dialogue that happened in bumfuck nowhere where two characters are fully alone with literally no way of anyone ever knowing they were even there and then the next scene is "yeah i can see by yelling"

[smoky nebula]

As punishment you must rewatch the show

[opaque sigil]

I haven’t even watched it give me some hot takes I can piss people off with

[fiery burrow]

The ending is good

[flat remnant]

the great divide is a good episode

conversely tales of ba sing se is overrated

[fiery burrow]

too far

[flat remnant]

as is zuko alone

[smoky nebula]

Cat way too far

[opaque sigil]

Good stuff good stuff

[smoky nebula]

That's like saying Korra season 2 is good

[quartz cave]

"They shouldve made the zuko sokka make out scene shorter"

I fully disagree of course

[fiery burrow]

Aang's tale is mid

[flat remnant]

is that really a hot take

[opaque sigil]

well I don’t wanna sound like a homophobe

[quartz cave]

Honestly seven havens sucked

[fiery burrow]

No I was just talking about tales of ba sing se

[flat remnant]

i see people talk about iroh tale zuko tale even sokka tale more

[quartz cave]

There was no yuri NOR yaoi

[heady iron]

the avatar line being erased is an excellent plot device that disallows the use of older characters as nostalgia bait

[smoky nebula]

The avatar is a child!

[fiery burrow]

Katara/Toph is p good too

[quartz cave]

"Ooh look i want a bigger zoo" whk cares 💔

[quartz cave]

Aang was 12 in atla that didnt prevent zuko and sokka from making out backstage

[fiery burrow]

People talk about Iroh more because that's just gonna be the elephant in the room without its mention

But Toph's moment is equally good lowk

[smoky nebula]

Yeah but they're both 14 aren't they

[fiery burrow]

Doesn't Momo get one

[orchid spruce]

are they

14

[smoky nebula]

Yeah and it's amazing because Momo is the goat

[quartz cave]

Im not talking about yuri or yaoi of the avatar 💔

[smoky nebula]

For legal reasons this is false appa is actually the goat

[quartz cave]

Appa & Oogi supremacy

[orchid spruce]

who is Momo

[flat remnant]

the main character in dandadan

[opaque sigil]

Guys it’s spelled apple

[quartz cave]

Talking about ages
I know it was sorta a byproduct of not being able to work on more than a season at once but i really love the passage of time in korra

[smoky nebula]

Apple and peach

[quartz cave]

Its not much but i like it that the show starts with korra at 17 and ends with her at 21

[fiery burrow]

Looking up Momo and getting that creepypasta instead a few years ago kinda scared me ngl

[quartz cave]

LMAOOOO I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT

[opaque sigil]

Ain’t got nothing on adventure time be fr

[quartz cave]

Midventure time iirc

[orchid spruce]

adventure time is so nostalgia

[quartz cave]

It had no among us references in it

[smoky nebula]

Ismoil how could you

[opaque sigil]

Wait have you seen it

[quartz cave]

Unlike avatar which had one every season

[smoky nebula]

Literally fern

[quartz cave]

Therefore avatr is better

[orchid spruce]

lost the plot

[flat remnant]

adventure time was fine but what it really needed was for the lich to tell the audience "i am a bad person and the show does not condone my actions, do not support me" so we know how to feel about him

[quartz cave]

Only good part about adventure time is the 🫧 🧛‍♀️ yuri

Imagine it said gum after the bubbles emoji

[opaque sigil]

But he did say “fall”

[fiery burrow]

what did the lich even do after the citadel arc

[quartz cave]

Oh my god scarfy

Thank you for saying what we all been thinking

[fiery burrow]

I only remember like 2 cameos of some aura farming what came after

[flat remnant]

he was a chud baby

[fiery burrow]

Oh distant lands had him with new death

[quartz cave]

Tbh its not until the end of the show that i realized azula was evil??? She never said si herself so

[opaque sigil]

Got hit with the regeneration sap and turned into sweet pea

[flat remnant]

they had to find his hand after they dispersed it during farmworld, he came back in the afterlife briefly uhh

[fiery burrow]

yeah but what was the last scholar of golb speech leading up to 💔

[flat remnant]

sweet p grew up to be a hero

fionna and cake 2 was painfully mediocre i'm sad to say

[opaque sigil]

That sorta gets followed up on in Fionna and cake

[opaque sigil]

I still haven’t seen that

[fiery burrow]

I forgot to watch fionna and cake ngl

[orchid spruce]

don't dissect nostalgia cartoons too much, i want to retain the feeling

[opaque sigil]

Season 1 is good can’t comment on 2

[quartz cave]

Also rewatching korra gave me a jumpscare because im just watching a beautiful handpainted landscape and a beautiful building where you can see each stroke of the brush and then the literal next scene is this

[fiery burrow]

I know he has a cameo and scarier design there

[flat remnant]

don't bother. only the last couple of episodes have anything engaging about them

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/korra-tlok-the-legend-of-korra-avatar-screaming-gif-18606233

[orchid spruce]

fionna and cake is a real show???

[opaque sigil]

Ok but adventure time is like actually a great show it’s not just nostalgia

[orchid spruce]

it has this kind of grand world feeling, not sure how to describe it

[opaque sigil]

Holy brainrot

[orchid spruce]

and the ending theme is peak nostalgiabait

[quartz cave]

Yammo did you ever watch tlok

[opaque sigil]

No I wasn’t joking about not having watched atla

[quartz cave]

Tlok stands for The Lamong Os Kshow of course

[flat remnant]

excuse me

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-injection-goofy-dance-dancing-the-lethal-injection-will-be-administered-tomorrow-gif-1720628368907355340

[flat remnant]

what does this mean

[quartz cave]

Scarfy is nostalgiabait ngl

[orchid spruce]

it's very nostalgic

[opaque sigil]

It’s constantly building on itself while being uncynical and at peace with its goofiness even as the show evolves and matures with the characters

[flat remnant]

of course it is now with the benefit of hindsight but it's not like they set out to make it nostalgic

[fiery burrow]

Adventure Time is ruined by the "I remember you" song getting cut off by a cutaway to Finn and Jake spying on them with binoculars and saying "WHAT IS GOING ON IN THERE?"

[flat remnant]

fym "bait"

[fiery burrow]

Totally kills the mood

[orchid spruce]

i have zero media literacy sorry

[quartz cave]

When does seven havens even come out btw

I feel like its been announced since 2022

[flat remnant]

the only good version of "why did you eat my fries" is ice king's version

[opaque sigil]

That episode is actually crazy

[fiery burrow]

Contender for top episode in the show ngl

tuff

[quartz cave]

Id maybe watch adventrue time if i didnt have way better shows to watch

[orchid spruce]

the lyrics really make me imagine i'm a kid running in a forest with my friend then lying down in a pasture of flowers enjoying the breeze (never happened)

[opaque sigil]

Man that episode where Finn gets the eyes that make reality morph to how he sees shit and when he looks at ice king he just sees Simon

[smoky nebula]

Goddamnjt now I have it stuck in my head

[opaque sigil]

I promise you you don’t

[flat remnant]

i mean yeah that's the tone the early seasons were intentionally setting up

they're not trying to be nostalgic just peaceful

[smoky nebula]

Jock jake

[opaque sigil]

Adventure time is legit one of the best shows I’ve seen

[orchid spruce]

ik

[smoky nebula]

It's not too late

[opaque sigil]

And I’m saying this being a full ass adult totally unashamed this kid show is goated

[flat remnant]

respectfully you gotta watch more shows 🥹

[fiery burrow]

Season 5 and 6 are just banger after banger

[flat remnant]

it's great don't get me wrong but i wouldn't call it the best personally

[opaque sigil]

I watch plenty of shows I said one of the best not the best

[flat remnant]

i see

[orchid spruce]

i hardly watch anything

[smoky nebula]

Idk adventure time is pretty peak

[orchid spruce]

and then there's steven universe

[fiery burrow]

Distant Lands finale is so peak

[orchid spruce]

i wish adventure time finale was more fleshed out but i heard they were running out of time

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-eating-grape-white-ghost-gif-10441093735883391860

[flat remnant]

distant lands is funny because the quality goes from bad alright phenomenal bad

[fiery burrow]

oh wait

Together Again isn't the final one is it

[opaque sigil]

It’s not

For some reason

[flat remnant]

they commissioned another one and they gave it to pep butt i wish i knew why

[fiery burrow]

BMO is alright

[flat remnant]

bmo himself is the best part in it and the world it introduces has some neat ideas but i just don't care about the bunny girl or really anything

[orchid spruce]

i have no idea what yall talking about tbh

[opaque sigil]

Together again and obsidian are the only ones you gotta watch

[flat remnant]

no one was really asking "how did bmo meet finn and jake"

[orchid spruce]

finn

[smoky nebula]

The human

[heady iron]

maybe grow some chest hair and watch something real like trailer park boys and family guy

[dusk quail]

chest hair 🤤

[orchid spruce]

finn is a great character

[fiery burrow]

https://external-preview.redd.it/RkagumTFFqIFer_KG9q-EVi7AS2cX-tUp4ClQjVZYqw.gif?auto=webp&s=34fef06fdd8282311a08b2d31be5d3cd06885b3a

[dusk quail]

i mean what hi chat

[orchid spruce]

freezing cold take sorry

i'm just retrospecting

[dusk quail]

family guy is indeed a form of art comparable to Shakespeare

[smoky nebula]

Idk man sounds kinda boring

[flat remnant]

there are actually good family guy segments

i don't watch the show but when i'm bored enough i seek out clips and it has the capacity to be funny

[smoky nebula]

I need my wonder of a fantastical world
The suburbs don't do it for me

[quartz cave]

I highly doubt its better than "little big planet the series"

[dusk quail]

may i introduce you to number blocks?

[smoky nebula]

Idk those sound kinda mundane

[heady iron]

if you want a fantastical setting watch the sopranos

god I wish italians were real

[dusk quail]

lore kinda crazy tho ngl

[flat remnant]

wait till you hear about this independent game "super mario brothers"

[smoky nebula]

No I think I'm just going to go watch game of thrones surely that has fantasy

[dusk quail]

no that was a government psyop to sell us more pizza

[heady iron]

video games aren't real though

they do cause real violence however

[smoky nebula]

Wait but Mario is from New York

I can't support someone canonically from Brooklyn

[exotic dome]

adventure time and regular show are geniunely good

[flat remnant]

do you count season 8 with this

[exotic dome]

the last season of regular show?

[smoky nebula]

Regular Show is a good one

[heady iron]

isn't the new regular show like mid or something

[flat remnant]

it's out?

[exotic dome]

i mean the og one

idk about the new one

[hardy tangle]

regular show just ignore the last season

[smoky nebula]

There's a new one‽

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-cat-banana-hungry-void-cat-gif-16626119171143575104

[hardy tangle]

i think its out im not sure

[heady iron]

I still don't know if people like or hate the ending

[hardy tangle]

most dislike the last season as a whole

[smoky nebula]

How do we feel about the amazing world of Gumball

[exotic dome]

last season was the weakest yeah

[hardy tangle]

i dont think people hate the ending tho

[heady iron]

I need to know because I base my opinions off of others

[hardy tangle]

its just everything leading up to it was kinda whatever

[smoky nebula]

I haven't actually seen much of regular show

[smoky nebula]

Somebody wants to be on the winning side

[exotic dome]

it's very out of place compared to the rest of the show

[hardy tangle]

like why does the whole rest of the show set in the iconic park but then the last season theyre in space like wht

[flat remnant]

the ending is well-liked no one likes the season as a whole. i hated parts and liked others, i think the chosen one and sudden overarching narrative that came out of nowhere was poorly concieved and executed

[flat remnant]

ironically putting it in space makes it more restrictive because you have to make it space episodes and space parodies whereas before you could just do whatever

[hardy tangle]

also mordecai shouldve stayed single

[smoky nebula]

Wait does he not‽

[flat remnant]

i liked all 5 seasons and 6 episodes i watched of it

[smoky nebula]

Does he get with CJ or Margaret‽

[hardy tangle]

he marries this woman that never appears in the show

[flat remnant]

in the finale he settles for a bat woman we've never met before

[smoky nebula]

In like a fast forward or like right after everything

[flat remnant]

mort and the ecais

[hardy tangle]

like after allat romance drama wouldnt it just make sense he gave up and is single 😭

[flat remnant]

right after and then a fast forward

[flat remnant]

i think it works

[smoky nebula]

He moved on

[flat remnant]

mordecai messed up both of his love interests so he settles for the first woman he meets and subsequently lives an uneventful life

[smoky nebula]

He kinda reminds me of the episode where he gets dumped and goes to the weird dump city

[hardy tangle]

uhhh hallow night silksong

[flat remnant]

bad game

[normal bramble]

Fun show, needa watch the new season of it tho

[hardy tangle]

the best cartoon netwrok show was gumball

[normal bramble]

Adventure time

[hardy tangle]

adventure time slow asf

i love it but like

the story part starts late

[normal bramble]

I adore adventure time, the first seasons are eh but once it gets going it’s amazing

[exotic dome]

adventure time is peam

[fiery burrow]

Ist not really a story show

[hardy tangle]

the first few seasons they just messing around which is fine but if i wanted to watch messing around i watch gumball

[flat remnant]

uncle grandpa

[fiery burrow]

Truth nuke

[opaque sigil]

until it is

[flat remnant]

i think the first seasons are vital for setting the tone and atmosphere of the show before it gets into the lore of it all

the majority of episodes are required viewing

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/speed-ishowspeed-58

when i was a wee kid i used to glazee uncle grandpa but never actually watch it i was an uncle grandpa larper

[fiery burrow]

Prime AT is just as funny as Gumball

[normal bramble]

I mean they aren’t bad or anything

[fiery burrow]

But Gumball is a comfy second place for CN shows

[normal bramble]

They just don’t hit the same peaks as the latter half of the show

[hardy tangle]

ok im fine with this cus i love both

[smoky nebula]

How do we feel about the original Ben 10

[normal bramble]

Never watched icl-

[hardy tangle]

i never watched ben 10 ever whenever it popped up i turned off the tv

[flat remnant]

when i was 8 or 9 i watched an episode of clarence and he cried and i used to have this thing where if i saw anyone real or fictional cry i had to cry too so i cried and my mom got mad at me and told me to grow up

[hardy tangle]

i hted clarence

it was like worse gumball

[normal bramble]

Never watched an episode of Clarence

[smoky nebula]

I never watched Clarence

The latest cartoon Network thing I ever watched was Craig of the creek

[flat remnant]

over the garden wall

samurai jack is consistently great

[hardy tangle]

unc

[smoky nebula]

I need to watch over the garden wall

[smoky nebula]

True

[normal bramble]

I only ever watched samurai Jack

Because it was like always on before dragon ball super episodes

[hardy tangle]

why did that one guy just own half the shows in cn

[normal bramble]

Back when those still were airing

[flat remnant]

i watched it for the first time around 2022-23 on hbo

[flat remnant]

it was only dexter's lab and samurai jack

i guess clone wars but that wasn't very long

[hardy tangle]

int powerpuff girls also

[flat remnant]

he worked on it but it wasn't his

that was craig mccracken

[hardy tangle]

there was this one weird creator who put himself in the show was that powerpuff girls

[flat remnant]

that was the reboot from 2016

[dusk quail]

geeyulp

[flat remnant]

multiple conflicting reports on it including "the other writers put him there as a prank"

i don't know what to think so i just don't have an opinion on that

[hardy tangle]

no one liked the reboot anyway

[dusk quail]

probably just him successfully convincing the others to cover up for him idk

[quartz cave]

This god of war game sucks

[smoky nebula]

Which one

[trim estuary]

the metroidvania

[quartz cave]

I entered a nike shop and instead of finding sneakers it was a temple to some goddess???? Like????

[smoky nebula]

They have a brand deal check the back door

[flat remnant]

another pitiful L for metroidvanias, the worst genre in the universe

[hardy tangle]

mariovania

[quartz cave]

Ohhh

[hardy tangle]

we should call platformers mariovanias

[flat remnant]

castlevania games are not platformers

we should call them mariodonkeykongs

[dusk quail]

were you there?

[flat remnant]

i don't know what that means

[smoky nebula]

What will open world adventure games be

[flat remnant]

breathofthewitchers

[smoky nebula]

Mario kinda absorbed DK as a franchise
We should call them kirbymarios

[dusk quail]

metroidvanias for example..??

[old compass]

metroidvania isn't open world silly

[flat remnant]

what does "adventure" even mean

[smoky nebula]

Fuck if I know

[flat remnant]

oh wow i'm going on an adventure

[smoky nebula]

Yeah

[flat remnant]

you could say that for mahjong

[dusk quail]

i thought part of metroidvania is open world

[flat remnant]

you could say that for dr mario

[quartz cave]

Youd know this if you played the stanley parable

[old compass]

I feel like it's not open enough ngl

[dusk quail]

"assuming the role of a protaganist" whatever that means

[smoky nebula]

Standard heroes journey I guess

[old compass]

assuming the role of is just, being the main character

[dusk quail]

litterally yeah lol

[flat remnant]

metroidvania is a map with interconnected sections where you need one new ability to advance to these sections, in open world games you could literally do anything in any order but you can't go to the abyss with starting gear in hollow knight

[flat remnant]

i'm my own main character

why isn't chess an adventure game since i'm playing as me

[dusk quail]

oh right cuz guacamelee is linear iirc

[unreal shell]

L O S T L A C E

[old compass]

i hate lost lace I hate lost lace I love lost lace I

[unreal shell]

i lost to lost lace

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/nom-avatar-the-last-airbender-appa-gif-11958387

[unreal shell]

i think this may be my favorite boss fight

i loved the other lace ones

[dusk quail]

based

[flat remnant]

my favorite lace is cradle

[unreal shell]

lace cradle was awesome

[flat remnant]

i think the arena is too big in lost

[unreal shell]

the arena was beautiful

[quartz cave]

Scarfy appa or oogi design wise

[hardy tangle]

lost lace phase 1 is boring

[dusk quail]

its just the right size, she explodes the screen every 3 seconds

[flat remnant]

i dislike the void attacks particularly the homing projectiles

[hardy tangle]

i like lost lace phase 2

after the void waves

[unreal shell]

i haven't gotten out of phase 1

[hardy tangle]

phase 1 she just spams parrys

[unreal shell]

true

[hardy tangle]

its gonna get better

[flat remnant]

during the phase transition there's a cool moment where the silk starts falling apart at the same time as GMS falls down and you can't seen them both in the same run because the thing is too big

[unreal shell]

and then you need to be ready to jump away

[hardy tangle]

she stops parrying

[dusk quail]

but for the fght itself its perfect, aesthetics isnt everything

[smoky nebula]

You learn to counter the parry eventually

[unreal shell]

i do like the big arena

sure it's hard to see her

[flat remnant]

nah

[unreal shell]

but i like that you can kind of have freedom of movement

[dusk quail]

oh ok sorry

[hardy tangle]

i think as a boss its great, as the final boss of the game ehh not so much

[flat remnant]

you better be

[opaque sigil]

ll also just has some nasty visibility issues in general

[unreal shell]

that's part of the difficulty

[opaque sigil]

the arena size just exacerbates it

[dusk quail]

yes sir

[hardy tangle]

"fight that feels like a duel" is just overrated i'd rather fight a big god

[opaque sigil]

that is a terrible thing to be part of the difficulty

[unreal shell]

that was also a problem for me with pure vessel

the attacks blending in with the background

[orchid spruce]

duel fights are overwhelmingly better from my personal experience

[hardy tangle]

its way worse in lost lace

[flat remnant]

black on grey

[unreal shell]

yea

but i think that it will be fun

[opaque sigil]

tc probably wasn't trying to make ll hard to see but if they were fuck that lol

[hardy tangle]

what even counts as one

[unreal shell]

and super rewarding to finally complete

[orchid spruce]

sword fights, kind of

[hardy tangle]

it has to be 1 boss, and has to be small or around hornets size

[flat remnant]

the boss has to be a warrior with a complex moveset specific to their weapon of choice and usually a comparable size to hornet

[unreal shell]

like the guy guarding nyleth

[orchid spruce]

eggnog is a duel fight and is twice as big

[flat remnant]

first sinner is a duel fight but is widow?

[unreal shell]

or sly

[fringe jungle]

hey guys

[hardy tangle]

would pv be a duel or is it just you vs god

[flat remnant]

she summons a ton of bells and sometimes claws at you but that's it

[hardy tangle]

hes too big despite having the duel moveset

[dusk quail]

i would say yes? lowk a hard one

[unreal shell]

that's a duel

[flat remnant]

"widow" "hard"

[orchid spruce]

first sinner doesn't feel like a duel because of projectiles and all that, for me

like, i like sword fights, i think

[flat remnant]

yeah i think so too

[hardy tangle]

tbh no cus they like running around and throwing projectiles

[unreal shell]

is the radiance a duel?

[flat remnant]

no

[dusk quail]

i meant the question, not the difficulty of the fight stop it

[hardy tangle]

definintely not 😭

[unreal shell]

also projectiles are part of duels

[hardy tangle]

anything in the background is not a duel you just fighting for your life

[flat remnant]

she's way larger than the knight and uses too many different projectiles and attacks

[unreal shell]

the most recent duels in history were all gun

[hardy tangle]

fs and widow dont have weapos outside of those projectiles, they just use their claws for melee

[hardy tangle]

yk what we mean when we say duel

swords and shit

[unreal shell]

yea but i like to stretch it

[flat remnant]

not even

[hardy tangle]

stop stretching it

[unreal shell]

i'm going to stretch it like silk

[flat remnant]

just a specific consistent weapon

[hardy tangle]

so widow and fs arent dueling

[flat remnant]

first sinner has consistent weapons in the form of those blades she spawns at you

[hardy tangle]

she also uses bells and her claws

[flat remnant]

i guess the orbs are an additional attacks but duels can have those

NOT widow sorry i meant first sinner

[hardy tangle]

she still uses her claws iirc

[flat remnant]

widow's bells are too loose

[flat remnant]

yeah for a single attack

[void moat]

widow and first sinner use their sharp claws

[flat remnant]

i don't think widow counts

[hardy tangle]

an attack is an attack

[void moat]

fs uses them for two

[hardy tangle]

every attack lace does she uses her pin

you can have 2 weapons/tools like seth and pinstress

but first sinner just swinging her claws at you idk

for 1 attack too shes just desperate atp

[void moat]

weaver’s claws are natural weapons from when they were still pharlids

[hardy tangle]

also i think parrying is one big factor of a lot of duel bosses

or blocking an attack

instead of just tanking it all like an animal

[flat remnant]

what do we think

[hardy tangle]

so id say first sinner and widow is like inbetween

[flat remnant]

bald means undetermined

[hardy tangle]

khann uses his envirnment and he ever blocks any attacks

same with lugoli

if youre using your environment idk man youre desperate for an attack

ik thats how khann fights but could he not do anything else

cant he like block an attack or dodge at least is he stupid

last judge def just feels like youre fighting some big machine

[flat remnant]

i think the specific way he uses his environment is a duellish

it's his only mode of attack sans contact damage but that's realy his intent when he jumps around

[flat remnant]

she has a specific weapon though

[void moat]

gurrs fight is definitely a duel

[orchid spruce]

it doesn't feel duelly unless you use a weapon

[hardy tangle]

she doest bother blocking and just swings it around like crazy

[orchid spruce]

pointing fingers to summon corals isn't a weapon

[void moat]

the entire quest is about him luring hornet in so he and her can fight to the death

[flat remnant]

for reference

[flat remnant]

would you count traps as weapons

[void moat]

if theyre traps meant to kill, which gurr’s are, yeah

[flat remnant]

they're not meant to kill in the same way swords are

[hardy tangle]

yeah its an object made by him to hurt others

[flat remnant]

he doesn't make an effort to lunge at you with them he just places them and waits for them to go off

[hardy tangle]

thats lowk what trappers do

[flat remnant]

not a duel

[hardy tangle]

yeah he looks like an animal and probably smells like one

[void moat]

whats the gurr hate for 😭

[hardy tangle]

sometimes you just wanna hate

[void moat]

i disagree

[hardy tangle]

i hope prime gms fights like pv

[flat remnant]

is trobbio a duel? do fireworks count as weapons in the same way swords do

[void moat]

id count sharp coral spikes intentionally aimed at hornet to be weapons

[flat remnant]

he doesn't really lunge them at you so much as throw them and wait for them to go off like gurr's traps

[hardy tangle]

no he hides a lot

[void moat]

theyre thrown throughout the arena not directlt at hornet

[flat remnant]

thank you both

[void moat]

he does do that jump and sparkle attack but is light a weapon

[hardy tangle]

he only blocks attacks with the tornado

and thats more of an attack that happens to block

[flat remnant]

to me it seems more like a defensive thing

[hardy tangle]

watcher so forgettable hes not even on here

[flat remnant]

yeah i forgot to put him in lol

[void moat]

watcher at the edge is the dueliest fight to ever duel

[flat remnant]

all of his two attacks are with a sword it counts

[hardy tangle]

yeah he blocks your shit and uses 1 of 2 attacks

❤️ we can all make fun of his lack of moves

[void moat]

moorwing and conchflies might be a duel lowkey

[hardy tangle]

conchflies theres 2 so thats already an out

[void moat]

moorwing hurls sawblades and uses his claws to slash at hornet and id consider the conchfly horns to be weapons

[void moat]

garmond and zaza are in the duel category

[hardy tangle]

moorwing is an animal, really big, doesnt bother blocking or dodging

[hardy tangle]

zaza doesnt attack

[void moat]

still a combat between two persons

[void moat]

doesnt matter, still aids in the battle

[cerulean sable]

Choral Moorwing should be a DLC fight

[hardy tangle]

zaza aint combatting tho

[flat remnant]

well i dunno

i think there's a certain threshold of animalism to discount it as a duel

[hardy tangle]

the fleas ate him

[void moat]

moorwing is smart enough

[hardy tangle]

the only thing in the minds of conchfly and moorwing is kill

[flat remnant]

if you really really want to stretch skull tyrant is a duel if you count it's big ass head as a weapon but it's literally just a creature

[void moat]

it was trained to eat bugs escaping their work and smart enough to devour its captors

[hardy tangle]

ig moorwing is thinking like protect or something

[void moat]

also moorwing is puppeteered by gms anyway

[hardy tangle]

most bosses you can challenge are duels, i think the only one that isnt is gms

[void moat]

why isnt gms a duel

[hardy tangle]

cus of phase 2 transition

just throws rocks at you

and she dosnt block attack

[void moat]

rocks are weapons same as her hurling her scissorblades at you are

[flat remnant]

you can say this about a lot of these

[flat remnant]

too big too many weapons

[hardy tangle]

its not her weapons

[flat remnant]

you can't have spikes and your big claw and your 6 big giant needles

[void moat]

shes using strands of silk to pull down loose rocks shes just being resourceful

[void moat]

i think youre a bit biased against gms

[hardy tangle]

anyways this all started cus i said duel fights are overrated

[flat remnant]

there is a certain threshold of size and of animalism for it to be discounted as a duel and she hit the size

[hardy tangle]

yaeh shes also in the background and stuff

[opaque sigil]

duel fights typically have bosses with to some extent a similar toolkit as the player, esp in terms of movement

[hardy tangle]

who knew if you combind the duel fights with the big boss fights you get peak

(pv)

[opaque sigil]

pv is a bit too teleport spammy for me to strictly see it as a duel fight

[flat remnant]

big tam what do you think

[hardy tangle]

lj just wants to eliminate you

[exotic dome]

why is widow bald but first sinner is a duel

[flat remnant]

widow uses too many environmental elements for me to count it

[hardy tangle]

crawfather has adds so no

[opaque sigil]

I'd at least put fs and khann to not a duel, they're way more about ranged attacks and area control

[flat remnant]

first sinner's attacks come from her alone

[limpid ridge]

Could someone help me with something about me getting unbanned from every vc?

[flat remnant]

you need to speak more

what's the psa bot command

[opaque sigil]

the claws, but there's also the pins and the rune rage and teleporting around constantly

[flat remnant]

would you say rune rage is enough to discount her

[opaque sigil]

if it was just the rune rage or just the pins no but with both of them they're a pretty huge part of the fight

she's kind of on the edge either way it's not a strict dichotomy

[exotic dome]

i'd say khann has a similar conecpt too

like widow

[flat remnant]

i disagree with khann because i think the way he uses the coral is duellish

[opaque sigil]

he has like no attacks that actually originate from him which is a big no no for a duel

[hardy tangle]

too bad he sucks at using them

[opaque sigil]

a good duel has you actually care a lot about the enemy positioning

[flat remnant]

so with the definition we've laid out the dancers don't count

since both fights they don't really use any weapons

[opaque sigil]

I don't think the dancers are a duel fight no

weapons aren't strictly necessary esp in a setting like hk where natural weapons (claws and such) are plenty common

[flat remnant]

clover dancer gets close because plot-wise it is technically a 1v1 and the shadow is a figment of the prince's memory but in effect it's another guy

signis and gron?

[opaque sigil]

how the dancers move is so intensely gimmicky

[opaque sigil]

they summon adds and there are two of them but they're individually duel bosses

I'd count em probably

crawfather is certainly not a duel boss

at the end of the day it's kind of a spectrum

[flat remnant]

i'm taking the coward's way out

[hardy tangle]

raging conchfly got skinned

[opaque sigil]

vertical axis means literally nothing and yes before you ask this was designed to cause you pain

and no I don't stand by every relative positioning I barely thought most of this out

[orchid spruce]

truth table

[flat remnant]

gurr and BB aren't even if you stretch it

[opaque sigil]

gurr you gotta REALLY stretch it

[orchid spruce]

i gave each 1s of thought so

[opaque sigil]

that's like a solid .75s more than I did

[stable mica]

math tierlist what?

[opaque sigil]

there is zero math involved

[stable mica]

bro it looks like a form of math to me

[patent warren]

oh my god

[stable mica]

?

[patent warren]

sinner road

[stable mica]

what about that holy place?

[patent warren]

if sinner road is like that i fear bile water

[stable mica]

fear not cuz bile has better music

[patent warren]

i'm still in act 1, so idk if to go to lugoli or phantom

[split lodge]

There’s a fourth moss mother by the way

[old compass]

bilewater ost so good I can't even remember it

when I try to play bilewater in my mind queen's garden plays instead

no

[split lodge]

5 for the grand gate to open

[lavish apex]

it's kinda like a way sadder version of that with piano instead of harp

[void moat]

how is gms not a duel

i stand by gms being a duel

[split lodge]

She’s using 6 weapons, no fair

[opaque sigil]

I think you just don't have a sense of what a duel fight is

[void moat]

but first sinner is fine? yeah right

[split lodge]

Today I learnt conchcutters curvesickles and voltbolas end the nyleth fight in 20 seconds

[opaque sigil]

first sinner is also not a duel but it's way closer to a duel than gms

[split lodge]

And gms doesn’t have contact damage

[old compass]

she what

man I've been avoiding her this entire time

[split lodge]

You can pogo her on air

Also, second sentinel my beloved😭

[serene mountain]

How is savage beastfly this hard 😭

[ornate perch]

I don’t think you can go Lugoli in Act 1

[serene mountain]

I somehow keep running into it, this has never happened to me on this level for other bosses

[eternal berry]

flea mimic.

[eternal berry]

someone didn't play the og hollow knight

https://klipy.com/gifs/hollow-knight-conifer--k01KQE89M4V3B2F10HW4W2JBT88

yoshi x cornifer

[old compass]

I did, GMS looks like radiance to some degree but she almost compeletly different

she's a weird women

not a moth

[mortal bluff]

Behold! PeakKnight. Picking 40ish bosses from the best of the best of both games, in a hypothetical single game boss roster. Making the most peak hollowknight game in existence

[old compass]

ranking everything in SK

[mortal bluff]

What even is the metric for this?

[eternal berry]

silk knight: hollowsong

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-art-gmail-emoticon-emoji-food-gif-26430726

me eating the pixels

[umbral smelt]

can someone help me in #sk-help

[light swan]

take my honest tier lists

[mortal bluff]

Bell eater should go up, Khann should be B

[opaque sigil]

it's crazy to me that there are people who will genuinely try to glaze father of the flame

[mortal bluff]

Bilewater in A, Steps in B, slab B, Fair fields A, docks A but B is fine

[eternal berry]

its unique but not very good otherwise

[wind gate]

Bellhart IS a real area and it should be SSS++++ because it has PAVO

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-bellheart-pavo-walking-gif-15482082983524417976

[mortal bluff]

Just think of it as a better flukemarm

[patent warren]

hmm because i don't have double jump?

[light swan]

honestly bell eater is a bit low

khann is staying where he is, i wish he was S+ tbh

[plush plover]

bye illusion

[tight viper]

Whiteward not being at the top of any tier list is a sin

[light swan]

bro is never recovering from this

[lavish apex]

it's not that good

oh wait you're the guy that likes unravelled

[light swan]

10/10 vibes NA/10 gameplay

[lavish apex]

nvm that makes sense

[patent warren]

hunter crest plus that charm that let you make and take more damage must go crazy

[tight viper]

You are hereby sentenced to Penance within the Slab for the sin of Blasphemy

Do not pass GO, do not collect $200

[lavish apex]

whiteward is an area

it definitely has injector band in it

[orchid spruce]

it exists

[lavish apex]

it lets you get clawline before trobbio

[light swan]

thats blasphemous! what am i, some kind of pen intent one?

[lavish apex]

that's pretty cool

[eternal berry]

whiteward is weird its just a bland area where you go to rescue sherma, kill that one boss if you want a silk heart, and get injector band

its not big

its just there

[lavish apex]

the atmosphere is cool i guess

[eternal berry]

its incredibly interesting and important to lore but gameplay wise its not allat

[lavish apex]

morticians are fun enemies

[tight viper]

Whiteward is like Soul Sanctum but better, and I love Soul Sanctum

[lavish apex]

there's lore

[orchid spruce]

sort of filler area

[eternal berry]

the whole underlying theme of the citadel testing silk experiments on people???

[orchid spruce]

silksong's packed with filler areas

[eternal berry]

its gameplay filler

[lavish apex]

having basically no gameplay and one of the worst bosses in either game brings it down though

[orchid spruce]

yes, gameplay filler. it has lore, cool. gameplay is like okay, it exists.

[eternal berry]

yup

also why tf is grand gate a separate area

[rocky jolt]

just start talking about nine sols already bro

[orchid spruce]

silksong's map is so deviously small, it just looks big

i talk about silksong in #sk-discussion

unfortunately i have a lot of negative things to say about it

[rocky jolt]

propaganda made up by the citadel to sell more maps

[lavish apex]

i like soul sanctum a lot more

like in pretty much every way

[orchid spruce]

teleportslop

[eternal berry]

LMAO

[rocky jolt]

if only ww wasnt just a path to eastern underworks

[lavish apex]

the enemies are kind of annoying but also not really

[rocky jolt]

its carried by spooky moments and aura

[orchid spruce]

soul sanctum has like 2 enemies

[lavish apex]

in soul sanctum i mean

[void moat]

honestly been considering buying dbd

[lavish apex]

3

[orchid spruce]

sloppy goops and teleportslop

[tight viper]

Soul Sanctum music is peak

Also Soul Tyrant is there

[opaque sigil]

spell twister and shade soul ❤️

[lavish apex]

good boss, cool rewards, cool lore

[rocky jolt]

is that a bite by night tag

[lavish apex]

cool vibes

[void moat]

yeah, fun game

[rocky jolt]

truly

[orchid spruce]

good area

[void moat]

well, "fun"

[orchid spruce]

except teleportslop

[rocky jolt]

its fun until you get cornered in a dead end

[orchid spruce]

i'm very pissed about teleportslop's placement

[void moat]

there is no experience like spamming wire eyes

[rocky jolt]

every map gotta have at least like 2 of them

[opaque sigil]

and that's not even mentioning the main reward which is desolate dive

[lavish apex]

soul warriors are fun minibosses

[rocky jolt]

bro genuinely fuck that move

[lavish apex]

i'm tired of the slander they get

[opaque sigil]

this is true but you'll get crucified for saying it

[void moat]

honestly best miniboss team cherry has made

not overly difficult but not overly easy

soul warrior is very quaint

[tight viper]

What? The main reward is the privilege of reading Record Cenda, who cares about Desolate Dive?

[void moat]

the main reward is the unique soul totem you fool

[rocky jolt]

silksong sucks because it doesnt have a 420 geo rock

[tight viper]

I'm not a fool, I'm the entire colosseum

[umbral smelt]

anyone got tips to beat ||Bell Beast||?

[rocky jolt]

ask it to not deal double damage

[void moat]

the jump and cross arena dash have either sound cues or visual cues i forgot which

[old compass]

of course, where did them babies come from

[hardy tangle]

storks

[tight viper]

use that new ability

[rocky jolt]

bell eating

[tight viper]

It does 3x needle damage

[void moat]

if bell beast jumps hit her while shes going above you, if she dashes then pogo her, use silkspear if you have time

[hardy tangle]

also go to #sk-help otherwise you'll see 5 million spoilers

[tight viper]

She roars before a jump

[void moat]

ic, i forgot which it was

[wind gate]

Pavo x Trobbio

[timid sky]

Her jump emerge has a taller texture than the run texture iirc

[tight viper]

Something like that

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/lrZlD5QqFJ8.gif

[tight viper]

Fuck the floor, it's never done anything good for me

[wind gate]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-trobbio-dust-smiling-friends-gif-556265872279670689

[void moat]

been contemplating on whether or not to buy dbd

on one hand, i like games like dbd, on the other, the community sucks

[mortal bluff]

Okay this is was made like a handful of weeks after launch, but it’s the most in depth tier list I’ve made. It’s my ranking of bosses and areas from both games, and the difference between their ranking regarding the areas rank.

Green = boss rank equal to area rank
Blue = one better than area rank
Yellow = two or more better than area rank
Red = one worse than area rank
Purple = two or more worse than area rank

[rocky jolt]

@grok explain this

[tight viper]

Forebrothers in D tier, list is invalid

[mortal bluff]

This was more like first impressions

[void moat]

sands of karak in B

[mortal bluff]

Real

It’s a B tier area

[old compass]

what even happened to mr bosses son after that

[void moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-gif-26229659

[tight viper]

Woah wait a minute, Hive and Whiteward both in C? smh

[wind gate]

flew away probably

[mortal bluff]

It only has 4 mid enemies in the actual real sand of Karak

No unique NPC

[void moat]

4 great bosses, 2 tools, is part of act 3's main plotline, has some of the best lore out of any silksong area and has the best last successor

[mortal bluff]

We must admit they aren’t the most content packed, even though hive is quite good. Before Silksong hive would have def been ranked c or lower

[mortal bluff]

Last successor?

[tight viper]

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[void moat]

old heart

[mortal bluff]

Feels like a discount kingdoms edge

[mortal bluff]

I apologize, but Khann and clover dancers tied for last as to best old heart

[void moat]

nyleth above khann and gp??

[tight viper]

Nyleth is peak

[mortal bluff]

Yeah. She’s super unique in every regard

[tight viper]

Khann is cool, GP is alright I guess

GP would be higher if those damn tornadoes could be predicted before they spawn

[mortal bluff]

Khann has like 1 move with slight variations for 2/3 of the fight

[void moat]

nyleth has negative lore

[timid sky]

Two

[tight viper]

Counterpoint: She removes the floor

[timid sky]

Coral walls and contact damage

[mortal bluff]

Lore doesn’t predicate boss quality

[timid sky]

Your biggest threat is the contact damage

[tight viper]

Bosses that interact with core mechanics of the game like this are usually pretty cool

[void moat]

wants to be p5 markoth

[timid sky]

Because the corals are telegraphed and the contact damage isn't

[timid sky]

When you have a boss that doesn't move erratically and tools like grip it doesn't look all too bad

[tight viper]

What do you mean?

[exotic dome]

best subplot introduced terribly

[void moat]

not even a subplot id say it kinda just ties into the main plot

[exotic dome]

we shouldve had coral gorge memory instead of greenslop 😔

[exotic dome]

yeah kind of

[timid sky]

Khann has two attacks, the coral pillars/walls and his body
The corals are telegraphed ahead of time, but the repositioning not so much, and him doing 2 contact damage doesn't help

[void moat]

id argue the hearts shouldve been a prologue and their power shouldve awakened after the death of gms in an attempt to fill in the power vacuum but shrug

[tight viper]

His jumps are telegraphed fine, he always lands in the same spots

And he has audio and visual cues

[timid sky]

Does he? I never noticed a clear pattern

[mortal bluff]

Feels like they had to take mid game bosses and turn them into late game bosses after starting work on act 3 in 2022, which leaves some of them feeling like mid game bosses

[tight viper]

Some of them are apparent here

[exotic dome]

power vacuum is filled by void i think, i had a theory that ripping out the hearts makes the areas regrow and the growth accelarates after the void is gone because there is no power to rule over pharloom

[neat remnant]

ok fucking finally

randomized hhg any% route

[void moat]

alot of the choices they made for the final game make me really sad i wish they kept coral gorge and the antlands

[timid sky]

Damn ok
This means i either don't pay attention or bad at the game
Could be both

[void moat]

yeah but in a perfect world void wouldnt be reintroduced and the hearts would serve as a prologue instead

[mortal bluff]

I’m fine with blasted steps and sands of Karak, but I really wish greymoor connected to the “ant area”

[tight viper]

Probably just didn't notice, if you haven't fought him too much it makes sense

[exotic dome]

true

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[tight viper]

Is this something you beat or is it something you plan on doing

[timid sky]

Only fought 5 or 6 times

[neat remnant]

i beat

[tight viper]

gg

[mortal bluff]

I swear TC cut some stuff down for literally no reason. Like wisp thicket got brutalized, and hunters nest is now a glorified corridor with an area title for some reason

[toxic vigil]

It kinda does.
No direct but you can see the color of the rocks from hunter's march in some parts of greymoor, especially the cellar

[neat remnant]

hhg alone took me 6 hours.

[tight viper]

Sounds brutal

But fun

Maybe

[mortal bluff]

But it literally actually connected back in 2021 to creiges basement

[tight viper]

I haven't done randomized hhg in months so, and when I did it was with upgradess and all that

[void moat]

wisp thicket was always the size it was as far as i know

[tight viper]

Wisp Thicket changed a fair amount

[toxic vigil]

Sinner's road used to be much smaller

[timid sky]

There was barely any information on wisp thicket for a long time iirc

[tight viper]

The Bellhart connection was deleted

[mortal bluff]

But they were like, nahhh, fuck inter connectivity, like there are around 7 spots they could have connected areas together, and they did, and then around 2022 they removed them

[void moat]

honestly thank lord they scrapped the void cult it wouldve been such a random thing to include in the middle of the map

[timid sky]

I remember the bellhart connection though

[stable mica]

big guy

[tight viper]

Grand Pondcatcher Reed

[stable mica]

wait how did that guy get here

[timid sky]

Imagine if it was the elusive mossgrub instead

[timid sky]

Enemy rando

[tight viper]

He flew

[stable mica]

make sense

[timid sky]

truck nuke

[neat remnant]

7h25m

💀

[stable mica]

no sense

[timid sky]

Not all that bad

[stable mica]

ohoho

[timid sky]

Enemy rando took me about 11 hr and that was with buffs on hhg

[old compass]

ranking skong ost based on how much I can recall them at the moment

[neat remnant]

hopefully its enough content for the video

[timid sky]

How the hell does one forget cut through

[old compass]

I am too fixated on groal's own sound than his ost

[tight viper]

Red Memory, High Halls, Crust King Khann, Fourth Chorus, Bellhart...

How did all of those end up below underworks

[toxic vigil]

Underworks is just ambience

[old compass]

I am too focused on the other stuff (very sadge)

[exotic dome]

i think all boss osts and most area osts are memorable

and the forgettable ones are mostly ambience themes

like the slab, or underworks

[tight viper]

Idk which one is most memorable to me

Fourth Chorus is definitely up there

[toxic vigil]

Widow is most remembered for me

[timid sky]

Fourth chorus ost is great

[toxic vigil]

I kinda dislike act 3 silksoar secrets

[old compass]

red memory: too focused on the memory itself
high halls: the claw maidens and cogflies are so annoying man
crust king: I HATE THIS GAUNTLET
fourth chorus: I need this quick kill
Bellhart: idk how I missed this one though

[toxic vigil]

Coral tower is very easy

[timid sky]

Chorus plays in signis & gron too

[toxic vigil]

Did it 1st try

[undone gate]

Coral Tower is harder than Karmalita

[dusk quail]

me when exposition on the main character's backstory exposes the right amount:

[toxic vigil]

All of khann's heart is by far the easiest

[undone gate]

Khanns heart is the hardest, 2nd hardest is Karmalita, 3rd is Nyleth and the easiest is Verdania

[toxic vigil]

Same but make khann's the easiest and the rest 1 up

I did it 1st try gauntlet, 2nd try khann lol

[undone gate]

How did you 1st try the Guantlets I took so long against them

[toxic vigil]

They were really dissapointingly easy...

[undone gate]

Did you have max Upgrades

[timid sky]

I hate the kakri

[toxic vigil]

Needle 3/4, 8 masks

So no

[toxic vigil]

Which enemy is that

[undone gate]

I also had around the same equipment. I died so many times to the 3rd Guantlet

[toxic vigil]

Ouch

[timid plinth]

is sea of sea out yet

[toxic vigil]

Maybe

[timid plinth]

maybe not..

[timid sky]

The flying spearheads

[stable mica]

yes....n't

[timid sky]

That do a semicircle lunge at you

[toxic vigil]

Oh

[dusk quail]

well my dad's cousin knows a guy who has a niece who's boyfriend knows William Pellen's Grandfather and he says that it got canceled

[queen acorn]

tommorow

[hardy tangle]

bro got hit with the ❓

[unkempt prairie]

Does dying to first sinner end your steel soul run? Or it just respawn you outside like normal?

[tight viper]

It does not kill you

[unkempt prairie]

Oh now that's a relief

[tight viper]

Die as many times as you want to her, you'll be fine

[unkempt prairie]

Was trying to complete as many content before fighting GMS

[undone gate]

First Sinner and the Heart Bosses are the only ones where your death isin't counted in Steel Soul

[unkempt prairie]

I'll literally implode if I die at this part

[unkempt prairie]

Thnx!

[light swan]

using frame data i proved that cursed crest deals 10 more dps than wanderer spam

therefore cursed crest is better than wanderer crest

[undone gate]

It's by using Clawline Dash Attack Animation cancel right

[light swan]

ofc

[queen acorn]

this is true because using wanderers means using wanderers

[undone gate]

Isin't it more optimal to beat GMS and then do the side content since you will get the Achievement for beating the game in Steel Soul and you can continue like normal

[unkempt prairie]

That... Makes a lot more sense...

Uh... I'll do that after I beat first sinner

[queen acorn]

what

is it not the same except your actually more prepared for gms

[unkempt prairie]

He meant me doing hard side bosses before finishing the base ending

It's risky

[queen acorn]

oh your doing that??

[unkempt prairie]

Yup, he got a point. I should at least beat GMS so I can get the achievement

[lavish apex]

if you're dying to first sinner you have a lot more to worry about on steel soul

[queen acorn]

mfs when you die on a difficult boss

[lavish apex]

she's like bottom 50% difficulty in the game

[queen acorn]

sk players egos are way too high

[unkempt prairie]

Oh nvm, I first try it. Steel soul really forces you utilize every tool to maximize damage. If you're like me who isn't that great at the game

[lavish apex]

no she just isn't that hard

[queen acorn]

ego going through the roof

[lavish apex]

i've died to her once ever, plenty of bosses took me a LONG time

well ok only one was long all caps

[queen acorn]

who gaf bout ur opinion shes hard

[light swan]

dude its ok

witch crest makes bosses fun, we all know that

[queen acorn]

i had no enjoyment with that

[light swan]

we both got steamrolled using witch crest vs first sinner its a canon event

[queen acorn]

the illusion tech is a lie made by illusion to get more witch users

[light swan]

sorry i forgot you dont enjoy fun things

[queen acorn]

and then he eats our minds

[undone gate]

First Sinner is easy if you Sprint Attack or Clawline otherwise she is really hard

[lavish apex]

no she isn't

[queen acorn]

son give up

[lavish apex]

no?

[queen acorn]

ego in the stratosphere rn

[light swan]

ive never had an easy time with first sinner before

[light swan]

hes right, first sinner is easy

[queen acorn]

and illusion is always right

[unkempt prairie]

Lmao every should just chill, it's getting too heated in here

[queen acorn]

illusion what the fuck are you doing

[light swan]

im being truthful ???

[lavish apex]

she has killed me less than like 80% of the bosses in the game

[queen acorn]

your meant to back my ass takes

[light swan]

first sinner is genuinely easy

[queen acorn]

also no shes only easy cz yall beat her a million times

[old compass]

GUYS I'M CRASHING OUT

[light swan]

that doesnt mean some players cant struggle against her

[lavish apex]

this isn't me saying i'm cracked it's a relative thing

[unkempt prairie]

Technically every boss is easy if you use everything

[undone gate]

With Witch and Hunter she is super easy

[light swan]

case in point, ive

NEVER

had an easy time with first sinner

[queen acorn]

yalls ego in space rn

[lavish apex]

lost lace took me like 2 hours

[light swan]

not on my frist playthrough not on my second playthrough

[old compass]

I PLAYED 60 hours of silksong in the last 2 weeks is that normal

[light swan]

not on my replays not on my optimizations

shes difficult for me

[lavish apex]

last judge was like 10-15 attempts

[light swan]

but for a vast majority of players, shes hella fucking easy

[lavish apex]

i beat fs second try and have never died to her on any of my replays

[light swan]

and theres nothing wrong with that, its nothing about ego

[queen acorn]

destroy the hk server

[lavish apex]

which were with lower gear

[light swan]

you know its nothing based on ego because i struggle with first sinner

[unkempt prairie]

Brotha chill

[timid plinth]

thats totally fine in my opinion

[old compass]

oh ok

[undone gate]

What crest did you use

[queen acorn]

oblitterate everything

[lavish apex]

i'm not saying i'm particularly good she's just not an actually hard boss

[light swan]

this is what happens when people disagree with you

[queen acorn]

yep

[light swan]

maybe we should destory you

[queen acorn]

no im always right

[light swan]

how about you get obliterated

[timid plinth]

i thought it'd be like 60 hours in a week

[queen acorn]

my opinion is always right

[lavish apex]

i main hunter

[undone gate]

That's literally ego

[queen acorn]

/j dude /j

[undone gate]

Hunter and Witch are like the 2 main counters to First Sinner

[light swan]

1 blocked message

[unkempt prairie]

True!

[queen acorn]

dawg

[real hearth]

everyone has a boss that is so easy but they are so bad at it’s apart of the experience

[queen acorn]

sighhh everyone so mean 2 me

https://tenor.com/view/blowdryer-cat-meta-bunny-gif-15103111441013218220

[unkempt prairie]

First upgraded hunter does so much damage

[lavish apex]

have you considered not being a little bit of a dickhead

[light swan]

i am the d1 witch main

ive never had an easy time with first sinner

ive always struggled

[lavish apex]

it helps

[queen acorn]

yo chill son you mad as hell

get off discord for a bit

[light swan]

the fact that one is using a certain crest means nothing

[unkempt prairie]

I can never get used to the heal. Pain

[lavish apex]

we've disagreed on things before and your first move has been to call me a chud

[exotic dome]

first sinner is harder than most bosses i think

[light swan]

disagreed

[queen acorn]

FINALLY BRO

at long last

[exotic dome]

she is not like difficult tho

[light swan]

most act 1 bosses maybe

[undone gate]

Do you not just spam Sprint Attack. I guess healing with Witch is harder against First Sinner

[lavish apex]

?

[light swan]

like i guess shes harder than bell beast

[old compass]

me when first sinner:
wtf r u pure vessel?

[lavish apex]

she's probably harder than every act 1 boss other than widow and lj

[light swan]

its easier, faster, and more consistent to use clawline

[lavish apex]

maybe
i'd grant that

[queen acorn]

son

its gotta be for the bit theres no way

[exotic dome]

fs is easier than ll, karmelita, last judge, lace 2, seth, uhh

[tight viper]

First Sinner is free, just baptize her

[undone gate]

Hunter Sprint Attack is better in my Opinion

[light swan]

how about yuou accept that youre wrong for once, egotistical dickhead 😡

[unkempt prairie]

Most act 1 bosses are hard cuz we got 5 mask and everything does 2 mask damage

[light swan]

so while dash attacks are strong they dont make the fight easier