sk-discussion

[wind mulch]

no limit to the pk glaze

[fiery burrow]

Widow and First Sinner glaze fr

[unkempt dirge]

"I remember this station well. A common trip it was. Goods from all over the kingdom were transported here."

you literally just made stuff up monor

[toxic vigil]

widow maybe
first sinner NAH

[fiery burrow]

I love Lugoli Moorwing and Sister Spliner but this is an agreeable list

[strange knot]

Nyleth in B is so sad

[wind mulch]

bro used his foresight for efficient urban planning

[toxic vigil]

was thinkign A but just short

[flat lynx]

honestly i wouldve liked the fight a lot more if it wasnt for the music

[unkempt dirge]

again may I ask why you made that up

[meager swan]

What if his foresight saw the Radiance dying to his vessels and that's why he trains the Hollow Knight the nail and soul attacks as a means to kill Radiance? Don't explain why he chained THK up but uhhhhhh

[strange knot]

What’s wrong with the music what

[slender juniper]

Why are you so serious about bug lore damn

[fiery burrow]

Nyleth's theme is breathtaking but idk why its hers specifically its not a very sad or dramatic fight

[flat lynx]

i liked the music but i felt like it was pretty contrasting to nyleth, it wouldve been fine for seth but theres something very violin-y about her

[slender juniper]

😭like it's not that serious

This is not a life or death situation

[meager swan]

Clean yo damn screen😭

[fiery burrow]

The PK agenda is always serious

[unkempt dirge]

It's not serious, but like why lie?

[dreamy tangle]

too lazy

[flat lynx]

but like fast paced

[slender juniper]

Mandela effect, misremembering

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[unkempt dirge]

ah alright thank you for clarifying

[slender juniper]

I remember him saying that

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/best-guy-around-gif-17876227847462595315

[slender juniper]

I checked the wiki but it doesn't state anything

[toxic vigil]

why injector band and barbed bracelet?
why no circlet on beast?
why is there a missing blue on archi?
pretty good though

[unkempt dirge]

yeah the city storerooms dialogue by the old stag doesn't mention anything of the sort

[wind mulch]

were 100 billion vessels really necessary could he not have called it a day at like 40

[exotic cedar]

He's fucking stupid.

[unkempt dirge]

do you think he did so for fun?

[flat lynx]

wasnt he lookin for like the perfect one or something

adn the first test was being able to climb out of the abyss

[wind mulch]

dunno ive never met the guy

[flat lynx]

bro😭

[unkempt dirge]

well no he didn't we get several pieces of dialogue proving that he didn't

[fiery burrow]

WL might just lay that many eggs or something idk

[slender juniper]

I see, the maggots journal says they were used to carry things

[fiery burrow]

WL is evil though as we all know so she may have done it intentionally

[flat lynx]

woah whatd you even say to trigger that bot

[wind mulch]

i reckon i wouldve maybe taken a few of them out of the abyss but hey thats just me

[meager swan]

Horni but with y

[unkempt dirge]

"Has it witnessed that truth most tragic? The Wyrm's great shame sealed away."

[flat lynx]

the first trial was the climb

[fiery burrow]

200 demigods walking around 🗣️

[flat lynx]

ah right right

[opal pelican]

Chef Lugoli

[meager swan]

Didn't think it was that bad of a word considering we can swear

[unkempt dirge]

"Our pure Vessel has ascended.
Beyond lies only the refuse and regret of its creation.
We shall enter that place no longer."

I think it's pretty clear he felt great shame for what he did dizzet

[slender juniper]

Which one

[flat lynx]

ive honestly seen worse said on here, ive seen that bot maybe once before but it was just for a slur so i was surprised it had appeared again

[unkempt dirge]

the maggot journal does state

so

[wind mulch]

i obviously dont believe he did it just for vibes but this doesnt really prove that he didnt go to extreme, maybe even unnecessary measures

[slender juniper]

I just connected them together

[wind mulch]

i find it hard to justify a hundred gazillion deaths when it seems thk was chosen almost arbitrarily

[unkempt dirge]

grimm states the knight was a specifically discarded vessel

[toxic vigil]

okay it is dang

[unkempt dirge]

and additionally all the other vessels were said to have lingering wills and minds so they were all impure

[slender juniper]

Which word

[toxic vigil]

horni

[unkempt dirge]

whilst the hollow knight (from what the pale king was aware) was pure

[slender juniper]

Excited

[unkempt dirge]

he did so in the hopes of obtaining a truly pure vessel, he knew the nature of void and hoped it's nature could make a pure vessel

[flat lynx]

no way bro

[hybrid flare]

say that again

[meager swan]

Would've been better to use the millions of vessels as guards or use them with the same purpose Pharloom's sentinels do

[unkempt dirge]

he also did it to make a pure vessel

and to create the pure vessel

[hybrid flare]

yeah but pure vessel yk yk

[unkempt dirge]

and also because he needed a pure vessel

[flat lynx]

definetely not ethical and you could say it worked but it was just this massive doomed experiment which showed how pk didnt have a good grasp on emotional relationships in the first place

[wind mulch]

but like it obviously wasnt, so is it not still arbitrary, would thk's lingering will not also be stuck in the abyss given slightly different circumstances?

[slender juniper]

Is horni is a bad word how do I say a creature with horns but in adjective form

A horned creature ?

[hybrid flare]

Horned...

[unkempt dirge]

everybody asssumed it was pure

[hybrid flare]

son 💔

[unkempt dirge]

and the white lady suggests it was pure but then had it's purity tarnished

[slender juniper]

That sounds weirder

[pliant musk]

Hi

[cedar bluff]

bro how is that weirder for you its literally normal

[flat lynx]

guarentee its the opposite

[lone bough]

peak

[toxic vigil]

i hate when i dash and 1st sinner spawns on me

[unkempt dirge]

"hich showed how pk didnt have a good grasp on emotional relationships in the first place" this is just wrong .door

[pliant musk]

True

[unkempt dirge]

he literally had a loving relationship with his wife

and cared deeply for the hollow knight

[wind mulch]

but there isnt any reason, as far as we're aware, to assume it was 'purer' than other vessels, we only ever see them fail in hindsight (lingering wills after death) and thks obvious failure

[unkempt dirge]

and had some sort of positive relationship with monomon

[slender juniper]

That doesn't make any sense

[lone bough]

is there anyone here who speedruns silksong?

[unkempt dirge]

the white lady states it was pure but that purity was tarnished by an idea instilled

[hybrid flare]

"deeply" but that relationship wasn't really genuine because thk was still the tool that pk wanted

[lone bough]

need some tips to make my runs quicker

[unkempt dirge]

we know he cared about it nubbie we both know this

[hybrid flare]

He didnt care in the genuine form

[fiery burrow]

WL assumes all vessels to be pure and PK probably did too

[slender juniper]

Why would you care for a vessel,if you know you're going to need it as emotionless

[flat lynx]

i said that in reference to how it was how his grasp on emotional relationships coincided with how he raised his son, for there truley to be a 'pure vessel', the vessel cannot have feelings nor emotional attachment, pk failed to realise that, idk if this is putting him in a bad limelight for the whole thing cus it was literally just a father loving his child but that was the reason the whole thing failed

[opal pelican]

have you tried running

[slender juniper]

That's incredibly stupid

[lone bough]

💀

[fiery burrow]

THK could've been selected arbitrarily or it could've had some physical properties or wtv we don't really know

[wind mulch]

yea but this is just ignorance on their behalf is it not

[fiery burrow]

She says they misjudged its purity

[unkempt dirge]

and then said that it was tarnished by an idea instilled

[slender juniper]

PK needed a vessel that is emotionless, so unless he's extremely stupid him having feeling for THK is not logical

[meager swan]

Do what you're doing before but like faster

[wind mulch]

im all for pk glaze but at the end of the day as far as we're aware his decision was kind of insane/incredibly stupid

[fiery burrow]

Which is presented as evidence of impurity rather than a cause

[wind mulch]

just in its sheer scope

[lone bough]

wait hold up ur cooking

[flat lynx]

inevitble failure yeah

[opal pelican]

hes dumb as hell

[opaque sigil]

it's almost like it was a last resort

[slender juniper]

@unkempt dirge

[fiery burrow]

THK was just as impure as everyone else and they can't really measure purity like that

[unkempt dirge]

it was a last resort?

[lone bough]

i just beat my personal record so now my best run is like 3 hours and 23 minutes

[opal pelican]

yeah hes extremely stupid

[unkempt dirge]

the point was that he grew an attatchment to it even though he knew he wasn't supposed to?

[lone bough]

is this good if anyone knows?

[unkempt dirge]

he literally sealed the memory with the hollow knight for that reason mate

[slender juniper]

Sounds like an skill issue

[unkempt dirge]

IT's supposed to be a deep secret of theirs

[proven hawk]

[unkempt dirge]

you try raising a kid and not growing a emotional attatchment to it

[hybrid flare]

thk wasnt raised as a kid, thk was raised as a tool

[wind mulch]

yea im well aware, but even as a last resort I think one should probably aim to minimise suffering no? we arent aware of any non-arbitrary grounds in which he selected thk, and yet he still chose to sacrifice an absurd number

[slender juniper]

Okay but if he knew THK had feelings then why did he agree to seel it away anyways,what a fucking dumbass

[flat lynx]

vessel was 'tarnished' as soon as thk formed a connection with pk and likewise, attempting to bury that was just kind of senseless if you really wanted a pure being

[slender juniper]

Dooming his kingdom

[hybrid flare]

Likely pk did end up developing some kind of bond to it but restricted himself

[lone bough]

it was a very very small amount of emotions

[flat lynx]

damage was already done :(

[unkempt dirge]

it worked for a good few generations though

[wind mulch]

i struggle to morally justify what the pk did

[meager swan]

Just run off and get the milk? It's that easy.

[wind mulch]

it was an absurd calculus

[fiery burrow]

I mean as far as he was concerned they couldn't feel anything and there are multiple plausible explanations for why so many were sacrificed (with the most convincing one being that WL couldn't control it imo)

[opaque sigil]

not at all

[lone bough]

whats the pk? (i prob know it, just not the abbreviation)

[fiery burrow]

pale king

[slender juniper]

Yeah ,still incredibly stupid, the kingdom was supposed to last ETERNALLY not a few generations

[flat lynx]

still dooming it tho, he didnt have a solid backup

[lone bough]

oh

[hybrid flare]

It was a half assed plan made out of hurry

[unkempt dirge]

he sealed that memory away out of shame man

he knew he screwed up

His literal royal retainers state he was destressed

[abstract geyser]

the osts for hk and sk are soo good that like everyone uses them in vids,especially the unstable smp

[unkempt dirge]

in his finale days and the mask maker calls it his great shame

and he calls it his big regret

[opaque sigil]

pop was sealed to preserve it

[fiery burrow]

PK forming a bond with THK doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things it was already impure

[lone bough]

i mean if your kingdom is in imminent doom ur not gonna have a lot of time to plan

[unkempt dirge]

it mattered to him though?

and mattered to the hollow knight and story

[fiery burrow]

ofc

[flat lynx]

yeah of course but i think its absurd how he didnt realise that if he actually wanted a PURE being, just shoving stuff under the carpet wasnt going to just undo what had occurred, im not shaming the emotional connection just rather the fact that he thought that would work, killing thk in the process

[opaque sigil]

yes which is why he immortalized a memory of his time with it

which is what pop is

pop isn't why the plan failed the plan was never going to work thk wasn't cut out for it and no vessel ever could be

[fiery burrow]

But at the end of the day its just added characterization not the grand revelation the fandom treats it as (DLC cutscene behind an optional super secret area you have to look up)

[median fractal]

Its genuinely everywhere. I cant go 3 non topic focused videos (like idk lore videos or some videos extremely focused on one video game which use JUST that game's soundtrack) without hearing music from either game bro

[hybrid flare]

He likely blames it on himself

[unkempt dirge]

he outright has it said that he did

[abstract geyser]

the unstable smp is huge,tens of millions views on every video,yet every single soundtrack is from this game

[unkempt dirge]

at least heavily implied

[flat lynx]

gosh im just scrolling and theres so many creators out there who use grimms ost as background music for their tasks

[hybrid flare]

Because of the bond yeah

[unkempt dirge]

Ik tammo

[opal pelican]

who here loves slop

[hybrid flare]

I love mio and thats slop

[meager swan]

PK's worst move was putting a royal retainer in the Abyss lighthouse. He never needed too, the light kept the void at bay, but he still put one there, dooming it to die and be coerced by the void to deactivate the lighthouse.

[fiery burrow]

big fan of slop

[meager swan]

That's entirely a dick move on his part

[charred tiger]

did i just unlock dashmaster in nine sols

[fiery burrow]

yeah lighthouse bug makes no sense

[toxic vigil]

dammit 😭

[wind mulch]

it could be the case that there is a plausible explanation yea, but im not especially convinced tbh, i think a lot of people miss the point that the pale kings actions were ridiculous, its sown into his character with the reinforcement of 'no cost too great', and I find the fact that we really have no evidence of his selection method being meaningful in any way, as well as the fact that he was just blatantly wrong in spotting purity as evidence of this

[unkempt dirge]

I still don't know how that even works, the void doesn't even have a will or a mind or a self, it's not even a power or a lord, it doesn't even see things, hornet states it just lashes out against beings that contain any traces of soul

[toxic vigil]

so close

[flat lynx]

woah what how many hours are you in rn

[charred tiger]

like 5

[unkempt dirge]

star the other vessels are literally called as discarded

[wind mulch]

the pale king does go to extreme, unjustified measures that he cant fully justify and that is the reason why he is consumed by guilt

[fiery burrow]

I don't think we're meant to look at him as stupid the point is that there was nothing he could have done

[fiery burrow]

Yeah?

[opal pelican]

he couldve left

[fiery burrow]

He did

[opaque sigil]

his selection method could literally just be 'pick the one that seems most robust' it doesn't really matter, the point is that he was doing everything he could to make sure it worked no matter the cost and it still failed because his task was impossible in the first place

so yeah it's over the top that's the point

[flat lynx]

tbh i feel like when it comes to all higher being, whenever you actually analyse their actions its just highlighted how sometimes unreasonable or emotionally charged a lot of things are

[opal pelican]

i mean leave hallownest

[flat lynx]

this is honestly mainly a hit at radiance tho

and gms

[fiery burrow]

How would that stop the infection bro

He only left Hallownest once there was nothing he could do

[flat lynx]

lowkey why didnt he just call gms up

[unkempt dirge]

the entire point is that he was pushed into a corner and did everything he could to do the right thing

[unkempt dirge]

the vessel plan was his last resort and he tried everything to make it full proof including putting various seals and using the dreamers

[opal pelican]

if he simply didnt go to hallownest in the first place

[hybrid flare]

Therefore the pk is sisyphus

[opal pelican]

nothing wouldve happened

[unkempt dirge]

And even then he failed

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-undertale-memes-sans-papyrus-gif-24074771

[opal pelican]

my logic is flawless

[unkempt dirge]

and when he did fail he was depressed

[quartz gulch]

The Pale King resembles Minos far more, wdym?

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[unkempt dirge]

He's referring to the greek mythology sisyphus

not ultrakill

[karmic trail]

my speedrun is screwed lol. I am 4 hours 23 minute in and I fought trobbio for the first time

[unkempt dirge]

We're not talking about minos prime or sisyphus prime or gabriel ultrakill or the blue go pro

[quartz gulch]

Nevermind then, he does have an Ultrakill profile pic though.

[unkempt dirge]

we're also not talking about the funny bone man that likes making jokes

[opal pelican]

the real sisyphean task is doing literally anything in hypixel skyblock

[flat lynx]

what melodies have you gotten?

[unkempt dirge]

or the untitled goose menace

or the stickman reffered to as henry

[fiery burrow]

PK is Minos THK is the minotaur

[karmic trail]

none 💀
I need to get clawline

[median fractal]

what is hypixel skyblock mention doing in my sk discussion wtf

[flat lynx]

i was abbouta motivate you until i saw the clawline edit

you might wanna pick up the pace juust a little bit

[unkempt dirge]

seriously people what coul he had done differently, there's literally nothing one could suggest

[hybrid flare]

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN 3500?

[opal pelican]

my unending hatred makes me need to slander it every time i get

[hybrid flare]

do his research

[karmic trail]

yeah no lol.
idk. I finished widow at 2 hours 36 min
which seems a bit long

[unkempt dirge]

in fact THANKS TO HIM several generations of bugs got to still live their lives before the sealing

[opal pelican]

say sowwy maybe

[unkempt dirge]

he did do his research that's kinda the entire point

[flat lynx]

anything and everything gets mentioned here its crazy

[hybrid flare]

he believed in some eugenics vessel purity slop

[median fractal]

Its funny but after wasting like 3500 hours on an ironman profile I both regret and dont regret all of it.

[opal pelican]

he couldve also evacuated the kingdom to somewhere else

[fiery burrow]

blood vials 😍

[unkempt dirge]

he knew the void had those traits so he assumed it'd transfer to vessels

[opal pelican]

radiance wanted the territory right

[meager swan]

First sinner so pretty in her dress.

[flat lynx]

i mean hey id say with one more try you could honestly shave off an hour of time, did you take the mist or blasted steps route?

[opal pelican]

cus like she was there before or smth

[quartz gulch]

What, you gonna think people will not say "Genocide" and not think about the reason why?

[fiery burrow]

If I had a nickel for every time someone related vessels to eugenics

[hybrid flare]

Yeah but he didnt need to toss 599 million of them into a guaranteed death basically

[karmic trail]

i did take mist but I probaly actually ran all 5 bells
I need drifter cloak for sinner road; I cannot operate without

[flat lynx]

i just thought she was pissed how everyone turned on her

[median fractal]

I mean clearly [insert random game here] is a creation of Team Cherry so its valid

[unkempt dirge]

and with respect nubbie the void did do what he wanted it to, it did severely hollow out all of the vessels just not to a 100%

[quartz gulch]

Sure, let's evacuate an entire population to somewhere else.

[wind mulch]

but i definitely think it does matter, he was backed into a corner yea there is no doubt about that, the part i cannot justify is the sacrifice of millions over something that he almost certainly knew was folly, yet still going to absurd lengths to pick a seemingly arbitrary vessel

[median fractal]

Do that in real life go go

[unkempt dirge]

it was like soap it hollowed out 99% but that 1% for all of the vessels lingered

[opal pelican]

better than mass child murder :P

[flat lynx]

i thought drifters cloak was mandatory, i think theres a sector in underworks that requires it to escape im fairly sure

[unkempt dirge]

with some amounts of will and mind left

[fiery burrow]

you think this was a psyop to get fans sympathizing with PK

[hybrid flare]

yeah, not really denying that he js didnt need to have one of them prove their strength or wtv

[tender grove]

Most of Hornet's arsenal would not even be war-legal due to how torture-oriented it is

[opaque sigil]

going to absurd lengths on a shot in the dark is the point it was desperate

[meager swan]

Exile himself. Radiance was only mad at him so all he needed to do was pack up shop and leave

[tender grove]

The only reason Hornet isn't a war criminal is because she's not fighting a war

[unkempt dirge]

that's not true

[karmic trail]

maybe ... in that case its probably faster to not skip with wormways. idk.
This [_] is intense lol

[unkempt dirge]

she was agree at everybody

[wind mulch]

yea I understand that, but I dont think the lengths were justified

[flat lynx]

yeah bro like im wondering when they'll finally do a bedwars and repo crossover, tc needs to step it up

[unkempt dirge]

she went after factions unrelated to hallownest

[eager creek]

Now I see why she didn't kill the broodling

[opaque sigil]

once he was committed to that plan he did everything he could to maximize its chance of working

[unkempt dirge]

she went after the hive caleb

and unn, Unn literally did nothing to the radiance

and yet she took everything from Unn

[meager swan]

They also exile themselves

[flat lynx]

gosh i tried to speedrun but theres just so much to remember its insane, did you do the sister splinter and fourth chorus skips??

[unkempt dirge]

she literally went on to screw over the spiders

[opal pelican]

can we get this hk discussing out of my hk server

[unkempt dirge]

the spiders literally wanted nothing to do with the pale king caleb

[meager swan]

Everyone leaves. Except the mantis tribe, they chill

[opal pelican]

why not just

evacuate

[unkempt dirge]

including the plants?

[karmic trail]

i did not do sister splinter skip, or 4th chorus. but its like maybe 20 minutes. I need like a extra hour or two

[quartz gulch]

Dude, it's physically impossible to evacuate a civilisation that is very likely around the size of millions or billions of individuals.
Apart from that, it was the moths fault all the way through. The Radiance never claimed territory, she just wanted worship. The moths transitioning to the Pale King as their ruler is the entire cause of the Radiance's actions.

[unkempt dirge]

why are we exaling the random plants that got infected

[fiery burrow]

😊 ❤️ 👣

[median fractal]

(Im)patiently waiting for them to make a metroidvania GTA 8 with MIO gameplay

[meager swan]

Yes, even the fungi and plants

[unkempt dirge]

she infected the literal environment caleb

[fiery burrow]

No one is using that flag 😭

[median fractal]

(what the fuck did I just type I should be killed)

[ripe bison]

dirty feet

[opal pelican]

how the FUCK would hallownest have BILLIONS of people

[unkempt dirge]

even the random vengeflies

[opal pelican]

id say a million at most

[unkempt dirge]

at that point just make hallownest not exist

[meager swan]

ESPECIALLY the vengeflies

[flat lynx]

tbh if youre good with sister splinter but not the skip id say to just go on with sister splinter, presuming you have silk spear the fights fairly well set, the fourth chorus skip is decent but needs less practice over the sister plinter one

[flat lynx]

dude literally

[meager swan]

Only the Moth tribe and Mantis tribe get to stay

[opal pelican]

besides id rather take on a nearly impossible evacuation plan instead of killing at least thousands of children

[charred tiger]

i'd eat a moorwing steak

[wind mulch]

I just do not see how sacrificing millions because it gives the best chance that one may be more durable or better at climbing i guess? when he is seeking a quality that he doesn't even really understand or can notice/probably isnt even possible is justified

[exotic cedar]

Sorry you are getting muckroach guts

[unkempt dirge]

seer does state the moths are at fault and to please not remember them as they don't deseve such a merciful act

[fiery burrow]

There are like really tiny bug bug sized people that are too small to see and exist in the nooks and crannies of Hallownest

[karmic trail]

Probably faster to do conventional run and then skip moor with flea instead of grinding 500 rosaries for wormway

[fiery burrow]

Anyway evacuating wouldn't work cuz Rad exists in the minds of the people so she would just move along with them

[charred tiger]

put the map in 3d

[supple shore]

arbys and silksong need to collab

[opaque sigil]

evacuating wouldn't work because the citizens would turn into animals if they left

[unkempt dirge]

he literally knows how void works, he made a ton of research on it and it's said and shown he has a good grip on it, especially when all the vessels DID get hollowed out

[opal pelican]

bluetooth dont go that far trust

[fiery burrow]

That too

[opaque sigil]

and rad would still kill them evacuating is just a terrible idea

[unkempt dirge]

they just had small remants of their wills/minds left that made them not pure

[ripe bison]

yuck

[opal pelican]

i dont think you understand how many people a billion is

[quartz gulch]

Firstly, why the fuck are there feet?
Secondly, Pro-Life is such a stupid discussion, many abortions are literally medically required to ensure the female can live.
Thirdly, nothing in HK is an abortion because they all come from goddamn eggs (or I'm just uninformed). The vessels are also all technically dead before even hatching.
Fourthly, because there may be someone bringing this up, the Twisted Child is a parasite, not a birth.

[unkempt dirge]

as the journal entries state they don't have much of themselves left just enough that they weren't deemed pure

[wind mulch]

he didn't understand it in the only way that mattered given the situation

[charred tiger]

some bugs are really small tho

[unkempt dirge]

he knew it hollowed things out and it does

[flat lynx]

yikes probably, usually whenever i see the wormway skip they often pair it up with far harder skips, probably a better idea

[unkempt dirge]

he just found out the hard way that it seems to be impossible to 100% hollow something out

[wind mulch]

i mean yea but ur kind of obfuscating the point

[fiery burrow]

You don't fw the 🩷 👣 flag?

[opal pelican]

have we seen any of those small bugs with actual sentience or like ?

[charred tiger]

why not 112%

[charred tiger]

the birds

[unkempt dirge]

that's for a diffeernt discussion

[supple shore]

fym yuck

[opal pelican]

do you know what a bug is

[unkempt dirge]

listen man he was trying to create a soap that 100% removes germs

[flat lynx]

agreed man ive seen people comparing the twisted bud to a baby and its just excruciating for me

[charred tiger]

if they can be infected they have a mind

[fiery burrow]

And yeah abortions are good because people deserve autonomy actually

[unkempt dirge]

and he found out there only exists soap that removes 99% of germs

[charred tiger]

birdy bug

[opal pelican]

this feels like ragebait vs ragebait rn

[opaque sigil]

the twisted bud being a baby isn't even subtext it's just text silksong fans can't read

[meager swan]

Wait a minute what if PK foresight actually did see the Dream No More ending as the true way. He trained the PV combat to fight the radiance, and the climb out of the Abyss was train them in the climb you have to do in the Radiance fight. Crack theory but my god.

[unkempt dirge]

I'm trying to do a good analogy okay

[wind mulch]

yea thats the issue here, he either didn't understand it enough to know it was pointless, or, even worse, he did and still went through with it

[charred tiger]

this chat has 1 combined braincell

[opal pelican]

erm... woke liberal nonsense

[flat lynx]

EXACTLY

[opaque sigil]

you can't read

[fiery burrow]

Twisted Bud is NOT baby coded at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyIvVgUnOAE

[dreamy tangle]

1: i dont know what else to use so i chose injector band (ill replace it later), and for bracelet, i usually use it when i attempt no hits
2: i dont really find it that useful since beast is more face tanking with just nail imo
3: i dont have reserve bind yet

[unkempt dirge]

his plan literally worked on the long run

[charred tiger]

tbh i think i'm complitely wrong about twisted bug just because of french localisation

[unkempt dirge]

listen having that work for a good few centuries is a big W

[hybrid flare]

no his plan didnt work in the long run

[flat lynx]

you arent putting down silksong fans who compare a parasite to a baby?

[toxic vigil]

1. Fair
2. No
3. Fair

[hybrid flare]

it worked short term

[opal pelican]

we should not credit him actively failing to kill all the failed vessels working in his favor as a W

[unkempt dirge]

when I say in the log run I meant suddenly the knight showing up

[opaque sigil]

it's a baby and a parasite it's both you just can't read

[unkempt dirge]

and doing smth the pale king didn't plan

[charred tiger]

what if the knight was a part of his plan

[wind mulch]

i mean yea maybe if he planned for dream no more with his foresight or whatever but like surely not

[opal pelican]

"what if the sky was green" headass

[dreamy tangle]

btw do you have any recommendations to replace injector band?

[charred tiger]

isn't it a plant...

[wind mulch]

that would be hella convoluted

and like doesnt fix anything anyway

[opaque sigil]

it's a magic plant baby

[unkempt dirge]

I mean 80% he didn't predict that happening, I'm pretty sure that's just a happy accident but I mean it was only possible because of the plan that worked for the short term

[fiery burrow]

we hate kids here

[flat lynx]

it is not both dude people were making an illogical analogy, at max its up to interpretation but it only brings up the whole abortion topic

[unkempt dirge]

I am aware

[charred tiger]

lets kill all the baby fleas

[toxic vigil]

I usually use longclaw.
Also snitch pick on some clawline bosses

[fiery burrow]

its so obviously a baby cmon man 😭

[opaque sigil]

it literally is both are you joking

[unkempt dirge]

we don't hate the grubs though

[wind mulch]

i was so focused on the pk discussion how on earth did we get to abortion

[hazy spear]

Are they babies tho

[unkempt dirge]

everybody loves the grubs, team cherry even made a grub pet manual

[charred tiger]

they children

[unkempt dirge]

we even got official grub plushies

[flat lynx]

the parasite is not a baby

[opaque sigil]

people claiming twisted bud isn't a child

[hazy spear]

Does it actually say that

[fiery burrow]

Now why would they add a plotline where someone is forced to carry a baby and why would they make it analogous to a parasite

[opaque sigil]

it is

[wind mulch]

what

[fiery burrow]

Are they trying to tell us something

[hazy spear]

How do we know they aren't like 40

[ripe bison]

why are most fleas just a flying circle but the talking ones are like haybales

[quartz cave]

Chat im so woke i had 15 abortions today

[fiery burrow]

Themes and such

[opaque sigil]

people are very dumb

[charred tiger]

wait if fleas like mooshka and vog are grown fleas
what is the big flea ?

[dreamy tangle]

alr thanks

[wind mulch]

themes and such

[dreamy tangle]

mooshka and vog probably just had a genetic mutation

[flat lynx]

the twisted bud is a child to greyroot but a parasite to hornet??

[exotic cedar]

Flea that is big

[unkempt dirge]

isn't the white lady actively worse dizzet

[hazy spear]

The babies will never be woke so it's ok

[dreamy tangle]

or vice versa, with big flea having a genetic mutation instead

[unkempt dirge]

she was just as involved in the plan and was more then happy to do it

[meager swan]

They didn't want to draw prego hornet. Parasite was the next best thing

[fiery burrow]

Do you feel any regret when you look at this

[unkempt dirge]

and she STILL wanted it to be fuffilled

[dreamy tangle]

what the FUCK is that

[unkempt dirge]

as she is rooting for the knight to take their siblings place

[wind mulch]

yea i just dont really remember much of what she said

[fiery burrow]

❤️ 👣

[charred tiger]

awoo

[supple shore]

why is there feet hugging hornet

[heady iron]

Why does hornet love feet

[unkempt dirge]

she kept asking the knight to take the hollow knights place

literally going a step beyond the pale king

[quartz cave]

Youre so close to getting it!!

[wind mulch]

yea she is bad

[unkempt dirge]

and just wanting it to go even further

[still osprey]

Hornet does NOT love feet she loves big fluffy creatures

[wind mulch]

i dont even think the pk is evil or even bad

[unkempt dirge]

the Pale king at least felt great shame and sulked a bunch

[heady iron]

What if the feet are big and fluffy

[wind mulch]

but i think the glaze has gone too far

[heady iron]

Like bigfoot

[flat lynx]

im trying to get to a middle ground here cus i thought we were talking about this from hornets perspective 💔

[unkempt dirge]

he's a decent individual

his for the (most part) a good guy

[wind mulch]

yea certainly

[meager swan]

Don't kink shame her

[fiery burrow]

the lesson is that children are evil

[unkempt dirge]

it's just that his very few lows are as low as possible

[fiery burrow]

ari browsed too much r/antinatalism

[wind mulch]

yes exactly

[unkempt dirge]

extinction is the way star

[heady iron]

abortion quest was definitely William's idea

[unkempt dirge]

embrace extinction

[charred tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/flea-fleas-silksong-silk-song-hollow-knight-gif-6774577007711869502

[hazy spear]

Basically hornet is the twisted bud's unconsensually adopted mother

[dreamy tangle]

crazy

[heady iron]

Do Ari and Makoto even have a kid

[charred tiger]

who

[unkempt dirge]

Okay I have to ask do you think I'm saying what the pale king did wasn't bad?

[wind mulch]

antinatalists when i just kill them

[meager swan]

If children are evil then why do people want children? Checkmate, atheists

[flat lynx]

well i knew that idk

[unkempt dirge]

because I was trying to explain his reasoning

not that what he did was good

[hazy spear]

I heard he has gotten a lot

[wind mulch]

no no i just think his reasoning was more flawed than most tend to think

[fiery burrow]

this the easiest way to defeat an ideology

[unkempt dirge]

the game never implies it's good, the game literally shows it as the pale king at his lowest point trying to do anything

[hazy spear]

I think this should be a bigger deal, because grayroot is female I think

That isn't possible yet

[unkempt dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-lex-luthor-nicholas-hoult-2025-superman-legacy-gif-1158336173237853023

[slender juniper]

PK:last and only civilization, also PK:(dooms his kingdom by his choice)

[flat lynx]

is greyroot gendered? i havent checked on greyroots dialogue or any references to them but i swear ive heard from multiple sources that greyroots a dude, i am not sure at all though

[wind zephyr]

ye i cant play this game anymore

[unkempt dirge]

wtf do you mean by his choice

[fiery burrow]

not gendered

[wind zephyr]

this sucks

[unkempt dirge]

wdym???

[heady iron]

Abortion quest implies that women can get pregnant, like some kind of sick fpreg

[wind zephyr]

normal enemies are harder than nkg from hk

[unkempt dirge]

What choice monor

[slender juniper]

He sent thk to get locked up even tho he knew he had feelings

[fiery burrow]

hop on Mio instead twin

[hazy spear]

I am going off voice, either no gender or female

[charred tiger]

what happened first haunting or infection

[slender juniper]

Even tho atleast in head cannon

[hazy spear]

I mean she is called a witch though right??

[opaque sigil]

greyroot's gender really doesn't matter

[flat lynx]

wait let me check this

[wind zephyr]

im refunding

[unkempt dirge]

pretty sure he found that out after the seal failed

[hazy spear]

Politically it does, lore-wise no

[wind mulch]

the themes bro

[supple shore]

boiled bubblegum

[opaque sigil]

arguing that there's no parallel with a parasite forcefully implanted into hornet to sap her vitality that will then be birthed is delusional

[unkempt dirge]

she's stated to be female

[flat lynx]

unspecified

[slender juniper]

Wdym , by the time the seal failed he's dead

[hazy spear]

Interesting, this changes a lot

[unkempt dirge]

no?

[hazy spear]

She is called a witch though

[slender juniper]

There's no gender neutral term for witch and wizard so they had to choose one

[hazy spear]

It is the chapel of the witch

[opaque sigil]

the cursed ending is literally called twisted child ts is just stupid

[wind mulch]

is warlock gender neutral

[hazy spear]

Ok 🤷‍♂️

[slender juniper]

Sorcerer sounds weird

[ripe bison]

chizard

[unkempt dirge]

when the infection returned and everybody found out the plan didn't work he did some crazy power scaling stuff by transporting his entire palace into his own sub area in the dream realm

[flat lynx]

you could say sorcerer however i have seen nowadays at least witch/wizard are not used solitarily within gender roles as much

[unkempt dirge]

and went on to sulk and be depressed....and then DIE

[wind zephyr]

i will never buy this game back bro it sucks

[fiery burrow]

I feel like both witch and wizard are becoming more gender neutral

[meager swan]

Bit of an over-exaggeration I'd say. I mean the squatcraws suck, but they ain't THAT hard

[unkempt dirge]

pretty sure it's clear greyroot is female

[wind mulch]

wizard is idk about witch

[flat lynx]

ALSO in hk they are referred to as 'the mantis lords' however in the pantheons as 'sisters of battle'

[slender juniper]

This is entirely head cannon, the white palace could entirely be memory

[unkempt dirge]

no it's said

[toxic vigil]

hello

[unkempt dirge]

that's not a headcanon look in the wiki monor

[slender juniper]

You can't die in a dream realm

[fiery burrow]

The real palace vanished from its location

[slender juniper]

Where

[opaque sigil]

iirc witch also was for a good while

[wind zephyr]

i dont even mean them

[slender juniper]

Yeah because it's demolished

[wind mulch]

oh really

[wind zephyr]

random enemies at 4th or 3rd area sucks

[hazy spear]

That's bc 'the mantis ladies' has the wrong tone

[flat lynx]

theres nothing specified, everyones just making assumptions

[flat lynx]

i mean yeah, but im just saying that tc doesnt really stick within the bounds of gendered titles

[supple shore]

the mantis guys

[unkempt dirge]

""Have you visited the remnants of his palace? It's down below this city, in the bedrock of the kingdom. Must've been an impressive sight in its time. Now there's nothing left. It's a strange thing though. There are no signs of conflict around the area. It's as though the whole place just vanished.""

[hazy spear]

the mantis gals

[wind mulch]

was that dude who was crushed at Salem accused of being a witch

[unkempt dirge]

"Wanderer's Journal, p. 124"

[fiery burrow]

Its said that it vanished without a trace and we find it within a kingsmould with a seal specifically blocking entrance and we find the real king inside cmon bro

[meager swan]

The red ants?

[wind zephyr]

nah

[hazy spear]

Crust king

[toxic vigil]

you lose steel soul in white palace

[wind zephyr]

oh yeah them actually

[ripe bison]

what does it say

[wind mulch]

oh yea he was

[opaque sigil]

yeah I believe men were occasionally accused of that just less often

[slender juniper]

...this is from cornifer,he hasn't visited the kingdom before and is just surprised

[unkempt dirge]

it's from lemm

[wind mulch]

yea hes the only case ive ever heard of

[slender juniper]

Oh ,still doesn't mean anything

[fiery burrow]

The historian has no idea what he's talking about

2 separate characters saying the same thing means nothing

[meager swan]

Knew it. The Skarr, mainly the Skarrgard and Spear Skarr are so annoying.

[unkempt dirge]

the wanderers journal states that he took his servants and his palace and transported it into the dream realm

[flat lynx]

yeah some of them sure but there are still unclear, unspecified or purposefully ungendered individuals across both games, i feel like for now its kind of an interpretation thing but if theres any dialogue disproving that my ears are open

[slender juniper]

You can't have an entire theory based on one line

[unkempt dirge]

The wanderers journal states this

[fiery burrow]

Its two lines and just basic observation bro

[subtle lynx]

Have you played hollow knight? You should try it sometime

[slender juniper]

Where

[fiery burrow]

If the lines didn't exist we'd still be able to infer it

[unkempt dirge]

you realize you can lose a steel soul run in the white palace right?

[unkempt dirge]

.

[slender juniper]

True

[fiery burrow]

WJ doesn't say that but Ellina says the same thing as Lemm

[slender juniper]

What does it say

You always say it states something and then it doesn't outright say it

That's not a statement

[opal pelican]

kid named Hollow Knight: SilkSong

[simple siren]

great taste of pharloom can go ######

[fiery burrow]

This is just memory but iirc it says the entire palace vanished except for the door

[wind mulch]

i always forget that the pk did that

[fiery burrow]

Which yeah we see that in game

[wind mulch]

impressive as hell

[fiery burrow]

The palace is gone its found in a kingsmould with a magic lock on it and the real PK was in it

[supple shore]

wa derer journel 2937 checkmate buddy

[fiery burrow]

Doesn't take a genius to figure out what happened

[wind mulch]

a shame he left the giant ass entrance thing for some reason

[flat lynx]

can you lose steel soul if you die to fighting base radiance??

[unkempt dirge]

yes

those two scenerios are supposed to be special

[flat lynx]

i presume this doesnt apply to godhome?

[unkempt dirge]

lno

[slender juniper]

I see

[unkempt dirge]

also we see the quite literal pale kings corpse with his part of the charm

the PHYSICAL part of the pale kingss part of the kingsoul charm

[toxic vigil]

also white palace

[unkempt dirge]

the only other time this has ever happened monor was in the lifeblood core where we physically entered the dream realm

and were capable of grabbing a charm and arcane egg

and in their we quite literally ENTER it without the dream nail

[flat lynx]

dang thats annoying

[unkempt dirge]

we physically go through a gate

[unkempt dirge]

and in the white palace we PHYSICALLY grab the kingsoul part

[slender juniper]

PK is still a dumbass

[unkempt dirge]

and the corpse of the pale king we hit is real

and there's literally a magical seal monor

[unkempt dirge]

on the kingsmould made to even be capable of withstanding a one of a kind artifact unless it get's awakened to it's full potential

[plush plover]

@light swan 1 hit egg to GENUINELY using a charged strike before she judgement cuts in phase 3 and it pulls me into the fire she leaves when she backsteps

im so cooked

[charred tiger]

is lace female or genderless

[unkempt dirge]

female

[charred tiger]

same question for phantom

[unkempt dirge]

50% chance she's female

[opaque sigil]

probably female but people get really upset about that

[light swan]

i wondered why you were charge attacking in the first place

[unkempt dirge]

50$ chance she's genderless

[plush plover]

i did get a damageless jadeless bowless clear before that attempt tho i was trying to get cocky and go for 2 in a row :stupid_yi:

[unkempt dirge]

yeah

[light swan]

feels really risky

[light swan]

oh GGS

wait so you almost did it but minor fuckup at the end 😭

[plush plover]

for phase 2 it works well

yeah 😭

[unkempt dirge]

also monor we literally enter an area with a specific white essence dedicated to the pale king

which is VERY RARE

[plush plover]

ive done it before so like its doable

[light swan]

the fire is kinda dumb imo its ruiend so many hitlesses from my friends

[unkempt dirge]

most of the dream realm contains the same type of essence

[plush plover]

but i fucked up the spacing somehow

[unkempt dirge]

when we dream nail various bosses and go into various dream nail areas

[hybrid flare]

eigong's fire is lwk unnecessary

[unkempt dirge]

they all have (most of the time) the same essence

[plush plover]

in my damageless attempt prior i think it cancelled her judgement cut cus she staggered so

[unkempt dirge]

nubbie I think you can agree that (most of the time) that's the case

[hybrid flare]

Why are you asking me for my opinion

[plush plover]

idkkkk

[unkempt dirge]

cause i appreciate your presence and conversing with you

[light swan]

wait have you done damageless jadeless bowless before

[pure fossil]

I’m just gonna drop a starting message for mah self. Groal is the worst and so is the gauntlet to get into hunters march in act three

[charred tiger]

in red memory we see the weavers with red cloaks
now imagine hera with drifter's cloak...

[plush plover]

yeh that previous attempt was my 2nd clear of it :stupid_yi:

[charred tiger]

the gauntlet is fiiine

[plush plover]

bro these fucking people in vc were genuinely talking about the most abhorrent things imaginable while i was playing

[unkempt dirge]

literally nobody could have done a better job

other then the steel masters

[plush plover]

it was so fascinating

[slender juniper]

I would have

[charred tiger]

me

[light swan]

wish i was there to join

[hybrid flare]

Damn thank you

[unkempt dirge]

okay what would you and monor do

leave? because that wouldn't work

[plush plover]

school sucks, drop skool for egg streams

[slender juniper]

Seal the vessel away in the dunes

[charred tiger]

i would challenge radiance into a yu-gi-oh 1v1 and summon exodia

[unkempt dirge]

what

[slender juniper]

And not in the fucking crossroads

[light swan]

ill just teleport out of first period

[plush plover]

True...

[slender juniper]

Just build the temple in the wastes

And seal it there

[opaque sigil]

wouldn't make a difference

[slender juniper]

Or in the howling cliffs atleast

[unkempt dirge]

wouldn't make a difference

[slender juniper]

Wdym wouldn't make a difference

[charred tiger]

make the vessel act like a pokeball and go fight gms into a pokemon battle

[opaque sigil]

seems pretty self explanatory what that means

[slender juniper]

There's nothing to spread there from

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't spread physically

[unkempt dirge]

well it spreads in a lot of ways tammo

[opaque sigil]

it would still break out and still kill everyone

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't require physical proximity

[charred tiger]

radiance didn't break out

[slender juniper]

Yes but a lot lot slower

[opaque sigil]

not really no

[slender juniper]

How

[charred tiger]

it would stop one thing

[unkempt dirge]

there's 1. her invading the minds or dreams of others (the beginning of it all)

[charred tiger]

infected crossroad i hate that area

[opal pelican]

i eated it all

[charred tiger]

bro ate the radiance

[opaque sigil]

that is what all infection is

[unkempt dirge]

no?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[slender juniper]

Well it has a distance block since she didn't infect Pharloom

[unkempt dirge]

There's the lightseeds, the infectious air (stated multiple times to exist)

[charred tiger]

true

[charred tiger]

the air has a range

[opaque sigil]

lightseeds are infected the same as anything else and infected air just smells bad but being in it is safe

[opaque sigil]

she would eventually

[hybrid flare]

Essence isnt described to have variations but i'd say either the hb itself or its presence can warp the essence

[slender juniper]

Nuh uh

[unkempt dirge]

it's stated it plagues the minds of bugs

[opaque sigil]

but that's not just physical distance it's how connected dreams are

[opaque sigil]

yes the infection does that

[charred tiger]

lightseed would act like those lifeblood thing i don't think it has to be a bug at first

[opaque sigil]

that's not a different method of transmission

[unkempt dirge]

I meant the infectious air

it infects bugs

[charred tiger]

my method would work tho

[opaque sigil]

citation needed

[unkempt dirge]

it's said in game tammo

[opaque sigil]

no it isn't

[unkempt dirge]

"Well watch out. It's a sickly air that fills the place. Creatures turn mad and travellers are robbed of their memories."

[slender juniper]

Methaphorical

[opaque sigil]

that's elderbug who doesn't understand how it transmits and also uh doesn't actually even say the air is what causes it

[slender juniper]

Sickly air can just refer to the place being bad to live in ,also elderbug doesn't know shit

[unkempt minnow]

do yall think hornet yelled a bit too much in the first trailers

[unkempt dirge]

"The sickness in the air that clouds the mind of lesser beasts... " from quirrel

[unkempt minnow]

like the very first one

[opaque sigil]

infection does do that yup

[unkempt dirge]

There's multiple who state this stuff man

[opaque sigil]

that's not about how it transmits

[somber bramble]

can we please have plasmium seth this next dlc

[unkempt dirge]

the game states the infection can infect somebody via the infectious air

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't

[unkempt dirge]

how hard is that to accept for you guys

[unkempt dirge]

Quirrel and elder bug literally state so

[opaque sigil]

they don't

[slender juniper]

Citation needed

[unkempt dirge]

and nothing suggest it doesn't have that capability

[unkempt dirge]

.

[opaque sigil]

the fact that hunter has been routinely eating infected and lingering around in heavily infected spots and is fine

[opaque sigil]

doesn't say what you're claiming it says

[slender juniper]

Sicknesses can be in the air, and not be infectious

[unkempt dirge]

it literally talks about the infection

[slender juniper]

Also , the plague is more like a mental desies you can't spread that through air

[unkempt dirge]

The sickness in the air **that clouds the mind of lesser beasts... **

[slender juniper]

Yes

So?

[unkempt dirge]

in the AIR

[opaque sigil]

yes that is what infection does it's correctly fixing a reference with that phrase

[slender juniper]

Citation needed

[unkempt dirge]

yk the infecitous gas

[opaque sigil]

infection is in the air yup that doesn't mean inhaling it is a transmission vector it's perfectly safe to breathe and eat

[slender juniper]

I need more evidence

Did abhiker actually go get more evidence

I was just baiting

[unkempt dirge]

"the transmission of bacteria, viruses"

[unkempt dirge]

yeah

give me a sec

[opaque sigil]

infection isn't a bacteria or virus

[slender juniper]

Don't

[unkempt dirge]

that's what the term infection in the air means

[opaque sigil]

it's a magic light god running around and forcing her way into people's minds

[unkempt dirge]

I literally checked the meaning

[opaque sigil]

the infection in hk isn't actually an infection it's a fantasy setting

[unkempt dirge]

and the definition

[opaque sigil]

it's magic

[unkempt dirge]

how hard is it to get behind the idea it evolved

[fiery burrow]

Hunter eats the stuff its fine

[unkempt dirge]

to have several different forms of infection tammo

[opaque sigil]

given that it's not biological uh

[slender juniper]

This is very enjoyable to watch

[fiery burrow]

How would it evolve its not a living organism its the Radiance enslaving people

[slender juniper]

Guys how about hornet is void

[unkempt dirge]

we literally see it can have biological forms

[wind mulch]

the hunter eats that shit

[slender juniper]

What do y'all think about that

[opaque sigil]

lightseeds are infected organisms

[unkempt dirge]

we literally get told how it evolved to spread in the air turn into liquid and then turn into flesh

[opaque sigil]

no we aren't

[slender juniper]

Hornet is void

[fiery burrow]

??

[slender juniper]

I have evidence

[unkempt dirge]

"Some of the air became liquid, and some of that liquid became flesh, and some of that flesh came to life."

[fiery burrow]

Evolution is not mentioned there its just the infection collecting in Ancient Basin

[opaque sigil]

A single-celled organism, completely infected. Scurries about simple-mindedly.

[slender juniper]

How

[unkempt dirge]

literal journal entry for the lightseed

ignoring this?

[slender juniper]

You're digging a deeper hole

[opaque sigil]

hunter doesn't know anything about microbiology he just sees the bloated single celled organisms and doesn't see where they came from

[wind mulch]

the infection just physically manifests as all this gross gooey gas stuff it isn't actually a vector for becoming infected

[slender juniper]

[slender juniper]

Tammo is prolly baiting

[cerulean sable]

Silksong needs ATGMs

to fight against the steel boys

[unkempt dirge]

"Single cell of infection. Has a simple mind and can float using internal gasses."

[cerulean sable]

Silkguided Missiles

[unkempt dirge]

This is a statement for the infected balloons

that they are a cell OF infection

[opaque sigil]

infected balloons are strange but probably the same case as lightseeds

[fiery burrow]

(and the infection physically manifesting wouldn't be proof of evolution nor physical transmission)

[unkempt dirge]

the literal non bias journal entry states

[minor sparrow]

that's basically just pale nails, but stronger

[unkempt dirge]

it's a cell OF infection

not infected but a cell somehow composed of the very infection

[opaque sigil]

a single cell completely infected yup

a cell of infection

[unkempt dirge]

that's not what a single cell of something means tammo

what kind of ragebait is this

the game literally states it isn't infected, but is a cell of infection

[fiery burrow]

Those are not mutually exclusive

[opaque sigil]

and what I'm saying has precedent and is therefore more likely

they even get conjured by the boss made up of a buncha lightseeds

[fiery burrow]

And in any case it has nothing to do with physical transmission which demonstrably doesn't apply to the infection because duh it isn't physical

[unkempt dirge]

they literally can spread goo mass

[opaque sigil]

goo mass which doesn't infect things

[fiery burrow]

That's not how bugs get infected tho

[wind mulch]

the infection is capable of infecting plants, but only the ones that display some primitive sort of mind, if it was a physical infection wouldnt all of greenpath just be fucked

[fiery burrow]

Bugs get infected by the Radiance in their dreams you can see his with Bardoon and Hunter being tempted

And the traitors and soul master actually getting infected

[opaque sigil]

the bar for what a simple mind is is incredibly low

most plants probably qualify and would be or already are infected

[fiery burrow]

Notably Hunter and other bugs eat infected organisms and don't get infected and everyone comes into contact with the infection at some point presumably

[cerulean sable]

yes it makes sense

the US I-TOWs are (as their names implies, optically tracked and wire guided) has these 2 wires attached to them and Hornet can easily replicate this skill by instead using some magic soul thingy as the missile and her Silk as the guidance

if they wanna balance it out, the farther the silk missile goes, the more silk that gets taken away from you (deducted based on distance)

[unkempt dirge]

you realize that the lightseed entry literally talks about the process of the lightseeds being made, as a manifestation of the infection

[wind mulch]

yea but surely theres a difference between a man-eater and like the random ass greenpath decorative plants

[fiery burrow]

Hunter doesn't know about Rad

[wind mulch]

i mean obviously flytraps exist irl but

[opaque sigil]

hunter doesn't seem to carry a microscope around so single celled organisms getting infected and bloating would look like stuff magically appearing

[fiery burrow]

We're told by the meta text immediately above his thoughts that they're infected single celled organisms

[opaque sigil]

sure but iirc some thorns or whatever make the effects if you hit em and single celled organisms get infected

[unkempt dirge]

Dude " Some of the air became liquid, and some of that liquid became flesh, and some of that flesh came to life. I don't know what to make of it."

[unkempt dirge]

We get a in detailed statement

[minor sparrow]

probably, considering how unn likely made the distinction herself

[unkempt dirge]

Star the hunter literally goes in depth on it's creation wdym???

[wind mulch]

oh i didnt know about the thorns

[fiery burrow]

That is not meta text that's the hunters thoughts

[wind mulch]

that's interesting

[fiery burrow]

The top portion of the journal is meta text the bottom portion is his thoughts

[wind mulch]

i dont like that though its kind of dumb

[minor sparrow]

just cause or

[opaque sigil]

being truly mindless with the magic system is kinda hard anyways

[unkempt dirge]

star........

he literally does not say he thinks he saw this

he states he doesn't know what to make of what he saw

of the process of the infection becoming liquid and then flesh and then life

[opaque sigil]

what he saw was stuff just appearing because he didn't see the uninfected ones since they're single celled organisms

he's looking at a petri dish and saying "wow stuff is just appearing"

[wind mulch]

i think the radiance tempting feral/sentient minds is cool but like come on now shes somehow convinced the environmental thorns

[unkempt dirge]

I know

[wind mulch]

like sure i guess

[unkempt dirge]

but his observations speak about the infection to liquid

and then to flesh

[fiery burrow]

And the meta text obviously holds more weight than hunter's assumption

[unkempt dirge]

it's not a assumption it's a statement of what he saw??

[fiery burrow]

There's not much to talk about Lightseeds are infected single celled organisms not the infection manifesting out of evolution

[unkempt dirge]

how hard is that to grasp

[fiery burrow]

Yeah he sees single celled organisms getting infected

And he assumes that its just the infection manifesting on its own

Because characters can have flawed assumptions

Idk how to make it more clear

[quartz cave]

The ever so humble potion of invisibility

[hazy spear]

Those are big single celled organisms

[fiery burrow]

The infection bloats stuff

[minor sparrow]

theres an argument to be made about greenpath and qg specifically about how mindless the thorns are considering the maneater plants which could just be plants

[hazy spear]

Hm

[wind mulch]

there are single celled organisms a foot in length irl

[fiery burrow]

So if something goes from microscopic and gets bloated with infection it would appear as if its just manifesting on its own

That's why Hunter says what he says

[opaque sigil]

it's magic fantasy bug land where a caterpillar is orders of magnitude bigger than a cicada assuming any scale is silly

[hazy spear]

So that's why eternal emilitia is skinnier

[minor sparrow]

that's not really relevant as you see the vengeflies become like 3x their size lol

[hazy spear]

Yes yes true

[wind mulch]

this is a single cell

[fiery burrow]

Nice grape

[still osprey]

Well that's just a ball

[wind mulch]

i hate both of you

[still osprey]

💜

[fiery burrow]

my body is a prison... (its made up of multiple cells 😔 )

[opaque sigil]

I wanna pop it

[lucid forum]

Silksong is a very entertaining game

[trim estuary]

what kind of fruit is this

[hazy spear]

cell fruit

[opaque sigil]

type of algae

[quartz cave]

Did you pull up excel for this bit

[unkempt dirge]

the wiki literally acknowledges that the infected balloons are manifestations of the infection

[wind mulch]

say that again

[fiery burrow]

the wiki isn't a source and I don't always agree with its assessments

[opaque sigil]

The wiki also says a lot of dumb shit it’s kind of a bad source

[unkempt dirge]

I thikn atp you guys are just kinda coping on the infection

[fiery burrow]

who up reading the Pharloom timeline

[hazy spear]

*it's a good source for in-game quotes

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but that’s about it

[hazy spear]

Not lore specifications

[unkempt dirge]

I only use it for in game quotes

[wind mulch]

i still barely even know what silksong is about to be honest

[hazy spear]

Images

[hazy spear]

Same

[wind mulch]

i genuinely larp that game

[fiery burrow]

TC doesn't know what its about either dw

[unkempt dirge]

listen I understand a lot of things but when the infection goes out if it's way to have physical forms

such as the vines

[fiery burrow]

No one is debating that the infection has physical manifestations

[unkempt dirge]

or the blobs of goo, or the gas

[fiery burrow]

It just isn't contagious

[unkempt dirge]

you're literally arguing that the infected balloon isn't a manifestation of the infection

even though it's called a cell OF infection

and hand wave at the concept

and idk why star

the infection is said and shown to have gotten worse over time

at one point there wasn't even a infectious air

[opaque sigil]

Because radiance is getting better at invading minds and can invade more minds faster

[wind mulch]

isnt the hunter eating it, and the fact that all u need to stave it off is a strong will evidence enough that there isnt a biological vector for infection

[unkempt dirge]

there weren't even goo growths and bugs so idk how the idea of it doing other stuff is so hard to accept

[fiery burrow]

She's breaking out of THK

Infectious air being contagious is baseless and contradictory with what we see

[wind mulch]

as far as im aware you cant aura ur way out of pneumonia

[fiery burrow]

Again no one is arguing that the infection doesn't have physical manifestations this is a strawman

Those just aren't evidence of it being contagious

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/hA8Fh59wvKK.gif

[opaque sigil]

You are probably supposed to assume it’s physical transmission as a player because the true nature of it is obscured for much of a play though but it just isn’t

[unkempt dirge]

infectious air literally means contagious air

[opaque sigil]

In the context of real life

[slender juniper]

BREAKING FUCKING NEWS

BREAKING NEWS

[opaque sigil]

HK infection isn’t an actual infection

[unkempt dirge]

since when did hollow knight not use irl meanings for words

[slender juniper]

EVERYONE START SUBBING YOUR NAUTICA

[fiery burrow]

wpop

[hybrid flare]

they fired everyone

[opaque sigil]

Since always

[fiery burrow]

woo

[slender juniper]

What

[wind mulch]

its in the title

[slender juniper]

Why do you base your dramas of the internet lmao

[scenic yoke]

How do I get here bro

[slender juniper]

Nothing the internet said was true about that

[hybrid flare]

There was a big lawsuit for it idk man

[trim estuary]

the subnautica devs were fired, went to epic games, and were immediately laid off. true story

[wind mulch]

nothing said on the internet is ever true

[unkempt dirge]

when you get told there's infectious air that's clouding the mind of bugs I'm going to assume it means that the infectious air is infecting the bugs

[slender juniper]

So basically the publisher of the company fired the CEO and replaced him with a new one from EA ,

But the CEO didn't work on the game

[fiery burrow]

"clouding the mind" 🥀

[slender juniper]

So it was pretty nothingburger

[opaque sigil]

You’re meant to assume that because at that stage of the game you have bad information about what it is and elderbug makes similarly wrong assumptions

But then you learn hey actually it’s not a normal disease

[fiery burrow]

I trust Elderbug more than Seer

One is more knowledgeable about Rad than the other

[hybrid flare]

iirc the lawsuit thing was because they fired people because of some bonuses

[unkempt dirge]

we literally get told fairly early in the game that the infection wasn't a normal infection

[sonic trench]

is it weird to play silksong on a keyboard?
i saw people dunking on keyboard players for their choice

[fiery burrow]

I played it on kb

[trim estuary]

Yes

[unkempt dirge]

and other characters also call it a infectios air

[slender juniper]

You're wrong, he was the only one fired

[fiery burrow]

Its an air from the infection yeah

[slender juniper]

The bonuses have been delayed

[fiery burrow]

Obviously doesn't infect people though

[hybrid flare]

Yeah they delayed the bonuses and fired the devs

[wind mulch]

why do the dream bosses manifest in the dream realm whilst the warriors manifest physically

[opaque sigil]

While standing around breathing it in clearly they don’t mean it like that

[wind mulch]

i never understood that

[hybrid flare]

And then settled for the lawsuit

[slender juniper]

Brother I just said none of the devs were fired

[unkempt dirge]

yk I miss when team cherry answered questions

[slender juniper]

I actively talk with them

[hybrid flare]

[opaque sigil]

Could be about the amount of essence one has a whole realm one has less or whatever at the end of the day it’s whatever

[unkempt dirge]

would have been nice to just ask something like "how contagious was the noxious gas/infectious air"

[sonic trench]

Maybe stronger will?
The Knight sess ghosts because he's a dream nail wielder

[unkempt dirge]

or how did the bugs not get infected by the presumably contagious air

[hybrid flare]

i should trust MONOR now

[unkempt dirge]

and they could just say it isn't contagious

[opaque sigil]

The answer to that seems clear

It’s just not

[unkempt dirge]

weren't there literally multiple times team cherry answers subverted expectations

[sonic trench]

The cure to the infection is willpower and purpose

[fiery burrow]

If is presumably contagious and doesn't infect people you might just need to re-evaluate your assumption man

[wind mulch]

its more like, idk chemically if anything, if that word makes sense, it burns to inhale apparently and some enemies just fucking explode

[fiery burrow]

Its a mind based disease you start to piece that together once you get dream nail

[opaque sigil]

It’s prolly a bit caustic

[sonic trench]

it works like a hivemind to serve Radiance

[wind mulch]

caustic is a better word yea

[slender juniper]

Who's gonna tell them about the chapel maid

[sonic trench]

😭😭😭

she doesnt die brutally, she... evaporates

thanks for the flower!

[fiery burrow]

why is it chapel maid instead of bell hermit

or a least caretaker

[sonic trench]

true...

[opaque sigil]

Bell hermit is your comfort character?

[fiery burrow]

yeah

[wind mulch]

that says a lot about you

[unkempt dirge]

it's a mind disease yeah that's pretty clear

that's how it started and it's the main deal

[fiery burrow]

there is comfort in helplessness

we are all slaves to the monarch in the sky

[opaque sigil]

Are you ok

[wind mulch]

not me though im different

[sonic trench]

caretaker was an aight guy untill he destroyed pharloom with void cause why not

[amber grove]

last dive (yay) 100% completion, only lost lace left

[sonic trench]

literally his plan could not go any worse than it went

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[wind mulch]

all the shamans are ontologically evil for causing act 3

[graceful cairn]

W

[sonic trench]

W

[hybrid flare]

orphan of kos mogs YOUR favourite boss

[sonic trench]

Worst opinion oat 😭🙏

[slender juniper]

BREAKING NEWS SPREAD THIS TO EVERYONE

Let's crash YouTube

[sonic trench]

Best pogo and fast speed
Range adjusted via longclaw

[hybrid flare]

Nope they fired everyone

[arctic epoch]

best opinion oat 😭🙏 *

[fiery burrow]

bell witch gets it (they exclusively write about river styx)

[slender juniper]

IM SHAKING MY BOOTS IM SO CLOSE TO SUBBING MY NAUTICA

[sonic trench]

You cant just say your opinion is good 🇬🇱😭😭😭😭

[hybrid flare]

now its gonna be corporatenautica with CEOS as leviathans

[wind mulch]

so tired

[arctic epoch]

i have a history to back it up