sk-discussion

[cerulean sable]

"oh, alright, well enjoy the early access guys"

[terse heart]

who is that vendor

[cerulean sable]

also imho it should connect to Bilewater, Fleatopia and to an extent Lost Verdania

[sage glade]

we're already late 2026

[terse heart]

yo gang how do I get to this fly or do I need silken soar

[cerulean sable]

ok

go inside the Exhaust Organ

[sage glade]

yeah it's inside

[cerulean sable]

then theres another exit somewhere in the upper floors

this will put you in the "balcony" of the exhaust organ

[delicate sun]

This has to be silk post

[cerulean sable]

then just do some parkour on a bunch of pillars

[still osprey]

? it's not

[light swan]

a lot of unreleased maps were leaked lol

apparently hunters march and verdania expansion is coming too, not in this dlc tho

[still osprey]

here's how the zoomed out map looks

[terse heart]

show yourself inside it

[delicate sun]

Where is my daily sea of sorrow news at

[still osprey]

I don't have the game open rn these are screenshots I took while playing a bit ago

[light swan]

according to the cut content wiki, this was what the areas shouldve been

[still osprey]

He's such a silly guy I love him

[terse heart]

guys how do I get through this

I need the fly

[delicate sun]

Bro thts the first trailer

[light swan]

i suspect especially verdania will be a dlc

[delicate sun]

Ur not following anyone

[delicate sun]

Holy shit

[quartz roost]

Announcement: Hollow Knight Silksong's DLC: Sea of sorrow is releasing on May 10th 10:30 A.M. ACST! And it's free of charge! Don't miss it!

We can't wait to see you swimming in the seas of sorrow!

[coral iron]

chat what save should i delete for a new steel soul one? my 100% with 80 hours, my cursed run with 47 hours, my speedrun with 6 hours that im still using for 100% speedrun, or my save with 19 minutes that i gave infinite rosaries to?

[light swan]

cursed

[fiery burrow]

LOMM

[sage glade]

he's dead

[delicate sun]

Its clearly the cursed run

[fiery burrow]

if Lomm isn't in the DLC its gonna ruin my day

[light swan]

is lomm the barnacle guy

[exotic dome]

poo shaman

[fiery burrow]

yes

[light swan]

hes already in memorium

[analog wolf]

Is crust king khan a king or a khan

[coral iron]

thats what i thought! like obviously not the cheated one that i played for 19 minutes and have accomplished nothing on!

[opaque sigil]

you can just make backups of saves

[strange knot]

He is a king who’s name is khann?

[terse heart]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mods-heading-to-announcements-discord-mods-announcements-scam-links-gif-25118530

[analog wolf]

Yes but Genghis khan wasn't a Genghis whose name was khan

[silk monolith]

July trust

[coral iron]

i could. but thats work i dont wanna do even if its easy.

[opaque sigil]

it would be less work than asking the discord and engaging with responses

[silk monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-scam-users-obvious-phishing-gif-15812245174444424671

[light swan]

well the save where you have little on is a save that you can continue

the save where youre still playing it is one you dont want to end

[terse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301227786658381825/1497393375954075732/togif.gif

[light swan]

your first memorable save with literally everything is not one you want to delete

[exotic dome]

lumble the unlucky

[coral iron]

you underestimate how much i love talking

[tight viper]

Money!!!!!!!! Money money!!!!

[light swan]

therefore the side run that is fully complete and has 0 purpose is the right asnswer

[silk monolith]

how does he die again? he js dead if you visit in act 2

[tight viper]

Gunshot wound

[coral iron]

i guess

[exotic dome]

they werent lucky enough

[silk monolith]

js dehydration

do bugs need water

[silk monolith]

fair lmao

[light swan]

hornet doesnt need water to survive so no

[terse heart]

vros just keeping him hostage

[silk monolith]

hornet is built different

[exotic dome]

tc should add hunger and dehydration bar in the dlc

[tight viper]

Play guitar

[coral iron]

i spent the last couple months farming all hk achievements, so now i should totally be able to do a first try steel soul run. :}

[silk monolith]

what does she eat

[tight viper]

Bugs

[exotic dome]

flea meat

[coral iron]

grass

[wicked mica]

oh my god this worm chef is gonna makke me crash out

[silk monolith]

nah moorwing you go back to the caravan for a refill

[coral iron]

i havent chatted in this discord in like 3 months what are the rules on spoilers for late game on this chat?

[tight viper]

Lost Lace

[light swan]

completely allowed, all of it

[opaque sigil]

all spoilers allowed

[silk monolith]

allowed i think

[light swan]

dont spoil other games tho

[coral iron]

ok cool. i thought so but wanted to make sure

[light swan]

some dumb fucks like to do that at times

[silk monolith]

yeah cogwork dancers in mio

[terse heart]

cigwork dancers are peak

the gay couple is better tho

[opaque sigil]

this isn't banned by a server rule to be clear it's just shitty

[coral iron]

tc better add more save slots in the new dlc

[silk monolith]

lmao why

[delicate sun]

They will

[coral iron]

because i said so

[light swan]

they already have... its called backups,....

[silk monolith]

cassius over here

[coral iron]

my monke brain can only handle seeing the big save slots on screen. i wanna see 8 big slots on the screen 🙂

[terse heart]

guys do you think hollow knight will ever have a mod that will let you play as the hornet

[tight viper]

Yes

[exotic dome]

no that would be stupid

[tight viper]

And I will rejoice when that happens

[delicate sun]

I think there is alrdy one

[coral iron]

if its a wednesday and the time is triangle o clock then maybe

[tight viper]

I will beat Markoth for my challenge

[silk monolith]

hornet in hallownest would genuinely be insane dude you could beat it so fast

[halcyon plover]

it will be after few years i think, because of adding new mechanics and stuff

[tight viper]

And Sly, and Soul Tyrant, and all the rest

[wicked mica]

hardest boss yet

[silk monolith]

you get soup

[plush pendant]

Ass jim

[wicked mica]

nasty

[tight viper]

Worst boss in the game

Detestable Cretin Lugoli

[coral iron]

aside from issues with size the knight in silksong is crazy broken as well 😭. this is also probably common knowledge and your response to this would be something like "I know" or "no shit"

[light swan]

solid A tier boss

[terse heart]

I feel like people forget that "ass jim" is female

[wicked mica]

nah the difficulty was fair

[halcyon plover]

i learnt there used to be a cheese for this but got patched. Does team cherry patch every cheese/skip?

[silk monolith]

ong

[tight viper]

Not talking about difficulty

I just despise that little shit

[wicked mica]

dude beastfly was so fun

[silk monolith]

the knight is so slow

[tight viper]

Unconfirmed

[untold wyvern]

Are you supposed to find all collectibles for 100% without any online guides?

[terse heart]

youre unconfirmed

[wicked mica]

but nobody chain atks like him

[coral iron]

no cuz like beastfly was so hard and then i went and got 2 more masks and a nail upgrade and he was so damn easy lmao

[exotic dome]

up to you

[silk monolith]

computer pull up witch crest users

[still osprey]

They only use they/them in game

[wicked mica]

beastfly2 was the point i started thinking this game is challanging

[untold wyvern]

but like is it actually doable or will it take tens of hours

[still osprey]

It's a reference to how all nonbinary people have a fat ass

[terse heart]

so close

[untold wyvern]

I'm at 92% currently

[tight viper]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-average-gif-8365463044423717700

[still osprey]

fym X it's literally true, both the journal and mergwin use they/them on lugoli

[terse heart]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[wicked mica]

wtf

[coral iron]

i did. i dont know if that makes me a bum or not but ill tell you map genie makes shit so much easier.

[exotic dome]

you dont have to find all collectibles for 100% https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Completion_(Silksong)

[wicked mica]

imma disappear so that i dont get spoiled

[light swan]

faster than wanderer

[silk monolith]

lets go yoy can do it

[terse heart]

?wiki discrased chef lugoli

[untold wyvern]

I know that's why I said "all collectibles for 100%"

[terse heart]

ewoilfhierih

[light swan]

i like how cursed witch has theoretical higher dps than cursed wanderer

[silk monolith]

disgraced

[coral iron]

i have the speedrun achievement but i dont have the hunters journal because i am NOT grinding for that shit.

[terse heart]

?wiki disgraced chef lugoli

trtgwtgrtgrtgrgtrgrgrtrg

[wicked mica]

is this worm area just for that shit item we get from killing that chef?

[light swan]

?wiki lugoli

[terse heart]

it's not that much

[still osprey]

[[lugoli]]

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Lugoli

[delicate sun]

Hunters journal was harder than steel soul

[shut lintel]

just beat the game for the first time and I must say absolute cinema

[light swan]

who thought it was a good idea to do ?wiki

[still osprey]

[[Disgraced Chef Lugoli]]

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Disgraced_Chef_Lugoli

[coral iron]

no its a good shortcut for something else 🙂

[terse heart]

wiki bot ticks me off

[untold wyvern]

Is some stuff like really really hidden or is everything quite easily findable?

[wicked mica]

how do i get up to that bench

[still osprey]

Here you go

[silk monolith]

nah farsight really helps with that one its more annoying than hard

[terse heart]

look
only english is a they them

[coral iron]

some things are quite hidden, but most things are totally achievable its just gonna take an extra couple hours of work.

[tight viper]

Last Oasis is pretty hidden, but other than that it’s all fairly easy to find

[still osprey]

Translations shouldn't be take into account

They are not by, or looked over by Team Cherry

[light swan]

gosh finding last oasis was a PAIN lol

[still osprey]

The chinese translation was so bad the game got review bombed

[terse heart]

[[broodfeast]]

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Broodfeast

[still osprey]

It's stupid to try and use translations as proof when team cherry themselves have nothing to do with them

[light swan]

pretty much all of us had a bad time with last oasis

[coral iron]

||hi||

[light swan]

^^^^ spoilers

[shut lintel]

gang how hard is it to get twisted child ending 1/10 I want the achievement

[coral iron]

yeah mb gng

[silk monolith]

what's last oasis

[terse heart]

||moss grotto||

[still osprey]

Like a 6 or 7

[coral iron]

i found it really hard and then i went and played hollow knight and came back and it was really easy i no hit the last fight. like a 6/10 if 5 is average.

[silk monolith]

alright

[wicked mica]

ASS....

wtf

[terse heart]

NOOO PILBY

[coral iron]

Man i loved del taco

[tight viper]

The Del Taco was awesome

[worldly umbra]

wasnt verdania originally aspid cloverlands

[still osprey]

Can you add pharloom bay to the map but keep the circled questionmark there anyway

[silk monolith]

suspiciously swamp of suffering shaped hole

[light swan]

idk, but clearly it was changed

[tight viper]

Perhap

[worldly umbra]

the old hunters march looked awesome tho

[tight viper]

I haven’t updated The Masterpiece in a while

[worldly umbra]

i would love more ants

[light swan]

it was originally gonna have huntress in it

[still osprey]

Here you can copy-paste it from here where I added it in

[coral iron]

i hated fighting sans undertale in sans of karak man. there was so much karak everywhere i couldnt fight sans

[tight viper]

Thank you

[silk monolith]

huntress moved to the ducts cause she couldn't afford the rent as a single mom

[worldly umbra]

its like moving from jersey to detroit

[quartz cave]

Wait which wiki?

[terse heart]

it's actually called "Weavernest" atla?

[tight viper]

Newark is my favorite area in SK

[silk monolith]

weavenest

[light swan]

the wiki we all use lol

[tight viper]

Yup, it’s always been Weavernest Atla

[quartz cave]

Cause so they need better editors

[light swan]

cut content page

[terse heart]

I might be blind

[tight viper]

Weavernest Karn, Weavernest Cindril…

[silk monolith]

is it weavernest

[light swan]

weavernest absolum weavernest askar weavernest murglin

[still osprey]

What if every weavenest was its own area on the map

[delicate sun]

Whrs karn

[silk monolith]

fuck off

[worldly umbra]

wormways

[quartz cave]

Oh i thought you were looking at a fan content wiki

[light swan]

sharpdart

[tight viper]

Wormhome

[delicate sun]

Oh ya

[charred tiger]

could the knight acces weavenests with the weaversong charm

[quartz cave]

Then whoever you stole that off needs to learn not to reuse the same sprite 50 times 💔

[worldly umbra]

this map i never finished was inspired by the old weavenest atla (if you havent seen it reccomend it because the old one was actually beautiful)

[quartz cave]

But they made a cool march one though

[worldly umbra]

it was in an old acmi map

[light swan]

i didnt steal it tho i made it myself

[still osprey]

What do people use to make HK maps I want to try making my own at some point tbh it sounds fun

[light swan]

which sprite you talking about

[worldly umbra]

i think i saw you post it like 3 months ago but i dont remember

[terse heart]

guys
did you know you can get skewered organs from the phial of the needle?

[quartz cave]

Then one you spammed across the entire verdania map the like circles thingie

[light swan]

those are for towns

i decided that verdanians are kinda split into swarms, aka the towns

[quartz cave]

Yeah but its the exact same sprite just rotated which makes it very obvious

[light swan]

you can see the 4 swarms and what theyre named

[quartz cave]

Otherwise its done good

[light swan]

thtas because theyre all the same type of buildings 💔

also i hand drew al;l of them

[quartz cave]

Yeah but like in the games similar things like those get different sprites and stuff which really adds to the feel

[safe ore]

Sea of sorrow release date?

[quartz cave]

Very cool !!

[tight viper]

2038

[light swan]

i can only really think of bilehaven which also has similar types of floating circular buildings tbh

[worldly umbra]

here it is the old weavenest atla

[light swan]

but theyre only in 4 major locations and those are the 4 separate districts of old verdania

i also have this one because bilewater deserves to be bigger, its kinda ass tho lol

[exotic dome]

i dont understand why they made this area so hidden, most people don't even know it

[light swan]

exploring frozen caves was so fucking fun lol

who thought to silksoar above mask maker ??

and i knew it existed because of the coral tower ledge i just didnt know how to get there

[golden crater]

literally only acessed this era 5 months after i had already beaten the game

[exotic dome]

scenario of citadel wastes reaching pharloom bay

[golden crater]

i thought it was lil underwhelming ngl

and the plasmified karaka fight was also pretty mid

[light swan]

it doesnt have many rewards but its still super fun imo

[golden crater]

i did enjoy the new flea lore though

[light swan]

the boss sucks but i dont really mind since the area is fun

[silk monolith]

lowk thought there was gonna be a breakable wall outside the khann throne room

[worldly umbra]

the fayforn bossfight was cool

[light swan]

thats why bilewater is my favorite area

[worldly umbra]

imo

[silk monolith]

bilewater is so peak

[exotic dome]

reaching to frozen flea village was painful bro i didnt expect they could make a harder parkour than path of pain, it was fun tho

[golden crater]

kind of easy compared to other fights ngl, i hope they improve it in the inevitable pantheon dlc

[golden crater]

frrr but it was so worth it

[light swan]

im still waiting for the march of madness in the hunters march expansion

[worldly umbra]

that dead frozen flea was so sad to see tho that one guy thought it would awaken if he put it under fire

[fiery burrow]

(MIO SPOILERS) spent 10 minutes trying to get this guy above an invisible wall and when he finally passes it I fall down and can't get back up

Mio sucks man

[light swan]

whyd you fall down

[worldly umbra]

cliked on the spoiler naturally but i havent played mio yet

[light swan]

smh st arpengu disclaim your spoilers next time

[golden crater]

the new ''compining tools and items'' mechanic felt a little out of place but the frozen egg of flea is REALLY helpful

[golden crater]

i dont remember this in silksong

[fiery burrow]

whatever doesn't matter if people get this mid game spoiled

[worldly umbra]

fr being able to take one piece of damage and still retaining the ffects it was beautiful

[worldly umbra]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdjIxdTFjenV1c3FhYnR1azBiN2M1ZDZ0bG96MmVoZ2xrZDBtYWoyNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/aCTGiodVEWV1zrjXTX/giphy.gif

[golden crater]

frrrrrrrr

i hope they make more use of this mechanic in future dlc

[worldly umbra]

probably not honestly

[golden crater]

like the desert of happines one they announced after sea of sorrow

i feel like it would fit

[light swan]

spooper

[worldly umbra]

i dont think desert of happiness is gonna be very good

i think its just gonna be the sandsea wastes leading to city of steel kinda like preparing you

[golden crater]

i have full faith in team cherry

[worldly umbra]

i still think its gonna be good but not as good as sos

[light swan]

lands serene

[golden crater]

they are gonna subvert expectations just watch

like they did with the return of zote dlc

[worldly umbra]

they are gonna turn that into a full on game cdalled lacelight watch

[light swan]

Hollow Knight: Lacelight when

[worldly umbra]

its just too big of a project

oh

[light swan]

i should design a map for Hollow Knight: Lacelight

[worldly umbra]

*we

[golden crater]

nah they already teased zote boat, thats gonna be their next game

[light swan]

with lace skin mod and architect, it could become a reality

[worldly umbra]

i dont know how to draw hollow knight style maps tho

[light swan]

i do!

[golden crater]

i heard its gonna have a shakra dlc as well

[worldly umbra]

teach me

[light swan]

you fuck around and make it look like hk maps

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329584780840534069/1474877795153871140/image0-1.gif

[golden crater]

wow i never actually thought about that

thanks!

[light swan]

i know i want the map to be like this pokeball

[worldly umbra]

wdym

[light swan]

left side = void, right side = light, center = something important in the midgame

[worldly umbra]

hmm

[light swan]

maybe not entirely a line like that but half is void half is light and theyre fighting and opposing eachother

[worldly umbra]

i can think up of some areas for you

[light swan]

i would get on it now but i am busy doing shit

[charred tiger]

is this the slab

[worldly umbra]

when you ready you can tell me your vision and i can cook some areas up if you want

[light swan]

tbh we gotta come up with like lore and an explanation for the world and stuff before we start on the map lol

[worldly umbra]

true

but whos saying all these areas will be final

[hybrid flare]

why light

[light swan]

yea but itll grteatly make the process easier

[hybrid flare]

hk: shoelace

[light swan]

Hollow Knight: Lacelight

Takes place in Lands Serene, where Ze'mer is from
Lace, after being unburdened from her GMS shackles, finally explores her own life and heads to the serene kingdom
The everbloom operates on a type of magic specific to the serene kingdom, which im just calling light ig because its white light (described as the First Light ingame)

Lace learns this type of magic and uses it in combat, instead of Silk or Soul
ALSO FORESHADOWED by the white flowers on her cradle arena

She explores this kingdom, which contains a kind of "polar opposite" nature because the void also resides strongly here

this is because the void civilization also originates from the serene kingdom
thus, lace explores both the serene "light"filled kingdom, where the everbloom's light holds strong, and the hidden secrets of the void civilization

idk too much about the story yet but this is also very personal to lace because the void once scarred her (lost lace), how the game goes is entirely unknown to me

[worldly umbra]

white floral valley

[hybrid flare]

Let me cook up the final boss lwk

[charred tiger]

hk : broodmother song

[worldly umbra]

is it a long name? yes
is it cool? also yes

[light swan]

shadelord

[hybrid flare]

💔 no stop

make it good

[unkempt steeple]

Laceslop

[light swan]

Witness, the first light. The only means we possess to resist that void with which our family is forever linked.

[light swan]

hornet 3

[worldly umbra]

let me think of an original final boss

[hybrid flare]

hornet 4

[light swan]

Lost Hornet

[unkempt steeple]

Grandfather soul

[worldly umbra]

found hornet

[unkempt steeple]

The stuffed knight

[hybrid flare]

I would make an antagonist that's not a hb, but someone either seeking retribution on himself or fell off his peak

[light swan]

whats hb, homeboy? hobo?

[hybrid flare]

higher being

[unkempt steeple]

Higher being

I want every character to be a higher being

[light swan]

i agree with that antagonist

[hybrid flare]

someone who could've quarreled with the AC and eventually stigmatized them to a point where they had to exile themselves or else would face ruin

[light swan]

whats AC, antagonistic character?

[hybrid flare]

and they've kinda just drifted across kingdoms

[light swan]

air conditioning?

[hybrid flare]

ancient civ💔 learn acronyms

[tight viper]

Assassin’s Creed

[light swan]

mbysicuycinhtabf

originally i had lace forgive the void in lacelight and atune to both sides of the coin (void and light) and that could fit if she fights an outside opponent like the final boss nubs is talking about

[worldly umbra]

jsua

[hybrid flare]

make it so there's no hb or one that's kinda an eldritch horror always omnipresent but not really directly participating in the story

[hybrid flare]

this sounds too fan-ficcy ngl

[light swan]

i dont think forgiving the void and atuning both sides would be that fanficcy

[tight viper]

What if the higher being was Cory from Cory in the House

[worldly umbra]

fun police over here yo

[light swan]

the rest maybe

[hybrid flare]

how do you forgive the void

[light swan]

idk

[hybrid flare]

I would make so lace never seeks to such tragedy be inflicted upon bugs again

[light swan]

yea pretty much

but i also wanna see her using void like tk, which was what i meant by forgive

[hybrid flare]

and the first ancient civs werent void users but were forced to it when the antagonist tried to go against them

[hybrid flare]

You can make that... somehow... but fanficmaxxing

[light swan]

because rn its kinda good vs bad (light vs void) and i dont like that

the void isnt necessarily evil

[hybrid flare]

Its a natural thing

[light swan]

good ideas good ideas

[hybrid flare]

that shouldnt be messed with

As the void kinda drives on instinct OR tk

[crisp heron]

Silksong sandwich

[midnight dew]

GUSY

[light swan]

so lace summons up the power of the shade lord and controls it to rescue the entire kingdom and fight god in an epic battle, before dying but hornet saves her like in silksong

[hybrid flare]

💔

is ts what hollow knight fans want

[midnight dew]

I finally got sonksilg 🥹

[light swan]

i was joking lol

[hybrid flare]

Yeah ik but some people deadass want this

peak writing 10/10

[worldly umbra]

made up some random areas that probably dont respect your vision at all

[short trout]

Tried speedrunning Khan (no hit). Any possible time improvements?

[light swan]

lightmarsh area theme

[mortal bluff]

I feel like it’s super weird that these areas don’t connect at the marked locations. I feel like it would only make the explanation better lol

[hybrid flare]

you made this?

[worldly umbra]

this is basically what i thinking for floral citadel

[light swan]

nope my friend did

[hybrid flare]

first area? thats neat then

[worldly umbra]

it sounds really good your friend is goated

[light swan]

as a fan thing but i decided lightmarsh would be a good area for lacelight

i imagine it to be more of shellwood/greymoor but like

[mortal bluff]

Holy hell I like that theme

[hybrid flare]

what if lightmarsh is kinda like the border between two civilizations and you can see the ruins

[worldly umbra]

i wish i could make music

[light swan]

YES

[crisp heron]

Beatbox

[hybrid flare]

and the ruins would be more noticeable on the ancient civs' side rather than lands serene

[exotic dome]

💔

[light swan]

an idea is either the border between the two, or like

[hybrid flare]

the leftovers of the conflict

[exotic dome]

thats fire

[light swan]

the game starts in lightmarsh but if you go back to it with more abilities the area expands a LOT

[hybrid flare]

and make the enemies like actual people that arent controlled by slopfection number 48724323

[light swan]

maybe not lightmarsh specifically but i want an area like that

[hybrid flare]

metropolis got to you

[light swan]

no this is an afterimage thing

[charred tiger]

use reaper

[short trout]

https://tenor.com/view/iq-to-high-iq-to-high-dumbass-gif-8703840328342123411

Why won't the gif load

[light swan]

AFTERIMAGE FIRST AREA SPOILERS

the part i circled is the part you explore at the beginning of the game, everything outside of that is accessible later in the game

[hybrid flare]

shit looks big what

[light swan]

afterimage is probably the biggest metroidvania of all time as far as i know

[hybrid flare]

that is like easily the biggest mv area i've seen

[light swan]

its like twice as big as silksong

[hybrid flare]

damn

[light swan]

yea well... theres like 21 areas lol

[hybrid flare]

this is like rain world levels of big

[light swan]

technically 27 but im ignoring the nothing burger areas like grand gate or bellhart

[hybrid flare]

in skong or afterimage

[light swan]

afterimage, it has a couple areas that are similar to grand gate or bellhart

[hybrid flare]

ah thats what you meant alr

bellhart IS a somethingburger though its my morning alarm

[light swan]

we can do either smth like this or the border thing you talked about

[light swan]

yea but like explorationwise lol

[hybrid flare]

Make the conflict border accessible later into the game ig

that would be neat

[light swan]

so like, combine both ideas?

[hybrid flare]

like the first time you're there its mostly outer guards and lands serene's border but then you explore and find out about the battlefield and what was beyond this border

[light swan]

yea

[hybrid flare]

Kinda how the kingdom grew out to have its entire identity having revolve around antagonizing AC instead of making accords with it

[light swan]

thisll be a fun project for later :D

[hybrid flare]

And its ruler/high command eventually started regretting what they themselves became and what they did to an otherwise flourishing civilization

[maiden stratus]

Meow

[short trout]

Sup

[hybrid flare]

coming out 8956

[maiden stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

400k people nd still such a dead chat

Crazy

[strange knot]

Most of the people aren’t real they are an illusion

[maiden stratus]

I'm Ai

[onyx python]

sometimes i doubt my own existence

[strange knot]

What why😭

How

[maiden stratus]

Your Ai too I created you on a random prompt

[devout dirge]

BRO LMAOOO got u partially thru lost lace 😭😭

[onyx python]

sometimes when i go outside, i look at the people and i imagine them living their lives like as if they were real people with real daily activities and real free time

[maiden stratus]

I'm the solar system

[fiery burrow]

Why is neptune the wrong color

Fixed

[hybrid flare]

hol on

[fiery burrow]

Venus is also pale cuz we can't have nice things

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[exotic dome]

solar system's worldbuilding is horrible

half of the planets are reused assets

[unkempt minnow]

i honestly cant pick my fav boss between karmelita and lost lace

[charred tiger]

has someone made a challenge to only deal damage through sawtooth circlet yet

[exotic dome]

goated top 2

[unkempt minnow]

first sinner might be top 3

i also like cogwork dancers

and also plasmified zango

jk

[terse heart]

gang

it's taking half of my memory

I only have 16 gigssssp[wdeek[pfoekfeo[fgoprg

[unkempt minnow]

what are you doing bro 😭

[terse heart]

Tornados

[unkempt minnow]

are you giving the cogwork wheel treatment to random people in ppg

[terse heart]

yeesh

[unkempt minnow]

i had 300 subscribed in gmod

[onyx python]

you prolly not gon like earth it too hot and noisy and has a lot of chuds and flies

[light swan]

@worldly umbra @hybrid flare what should the main objectives of lacelight be

im thinking of the bottom of the white floral valley being a major midpoint part of the game where you get the 3 objectives, similar to dream nail or cogwork dancers

also the valley leads into the void civilization’s half

[lone escarp]

it's funny how we don't get i-frames specifically for enemies' double attacks

[hybrid flare]

make it lead into the other half of lightmarsh

aswell

[light swan]

well lightmarsh will be the first area right?

[hybrid flare]

yeah but yk what i've been telling

[light swan]

which will be somewhere in the upper corners of the map

[worldly umbra]

explore the kingdom, reach the center of the map, beat a boss that gives you its final wish, to make the kingdom thrive with people instead of nature, then you get 3-5 areas you have to clear from void with bosses you have to beat, then get bound to void in the last one area you clear, get transported kinda like the witch crest or the slab, escape, obtain void abilities, use void abilities to go further into the void zone cuz you couldnt before, uncover more areas, find a light ally, use the light ally to confront the big bad (idk who that is yet)

[light swan]

while white floral valley is in the middle and leads down, thats pretry far from lightmarsh

[light swan]

the big bad is that one guy nubbie was talking about and i’d prefer if the objectives revolves around him too

[worldly umbra]

maybe he is the one who uses void

[hybrid flare]

Yk the theming of trying so hard to isolate a core unique part of yourself to a point where you're just a husk or "incomplete" without it could be neat

kinda like what the high command tried to do

[light swan]

he antagonized the ancient civilization’s and that forced them to use the void to exile him or whatever right

[light swan]

i agree

[hybrid flare]

No the guy isnt exiled, the AC was forced into an exile

[light swan]

oh it’s the other way around

[hybrid flare]

and were eventually forced into void usage to fight against the lands serene

[light swan]

is the lands serene controlled by Guy

[hybrid flare]

and that void caused massive causalities and increased the taboo against the AC leading to their ruin

[worldly umbra]

he just petty that he cant turn off discord light mode and now he hates the color white

[hybrid flare]

Nope, everyone's just depressed or smt

[light swan]

i like this

[hybrid flare]

The big bad i made is the ruler of the lands serene btw, he's john white

he's kinda like gwynn from ds1 but good

[terse heart]

hihigfhihihniinf

[teal ridge]

hello

[hybrid flare]

So the lands serene started to dig in itself, finding a speciality that allowed them to use "light" and grow the flowers

[worldly umbra]

let me think of some more areas like illusion what more could you want

[hybrid flare]

but they were digging in the bowels of a big dormant omnipresent god

[worldly umbra]

also you said lightmarsh is the starting area?

[light swan]

so to summarize

• John White, ruler of Lands Serene, antagonized and quarreled with the Ancient Civilization for researching void
• they fought, Ancient Civilization used the void to fight back, John White forced them into exile
• as always, void isnt something to control and that led to massive casualties and increasing the stigma/taboo against AC, leading to their ruin
• now half the Lands Serene is still plagued by the void as they fight back by using the powers of a dormant omnipresent pale being, known as the First Light (according to white lady)
• everblooms sprout from the blood of the First Light

[hybrid flare]

The lands serene indirectly pacted with it and the ruler was essentially bound to it

[hybrid flare]

ofc john white isnt his name but wtv

[worldly umbra]

cool

[lone escarp]

I BUGGED HIM, NO

[teal ridge]

wow. you guys talking about hollow knight 3?

[light swan]

yea

[hybrid flare]

Not the everbloom but the dormant god's powers in general

[lone escarp]

NONONONO

[onyx python]

alt + f4

[fallow hazel]

when sea of sorrow :/

[hybrid flare]

the bloom is just the physical shape of it kinda

[light swan]

yea im actively editing it as you continue lol

[onyx python]

bro what

[teal ridge]

i think that i am capable of thinking and imagining like all bugkind

[onyx python]

is that the secret hollow knight lore

[hybrid flare]

but the toll caused by the void's release was too big even to cleanse so the portion of it that's still standing tries to wash it away from history

[light swan]

ok peep it now

[hybrid flare]

naw let me cook

[light swan]

i don’t really know tbh

[light swan]

ya keep it going

[worldly umbra]

ill just think of some

[light swan]

just spitball ideas

white floral valley is a spitballed idea that i like

i want there to be like

[hybrid flare]

Tbf i would make it so the AC before being forced into total exile used the void, and their usage of it would lead to their ruin from the lands serene's forces and the dormant god's light

[light swan]

fick the afterimage inspirations are too big

[terse heart]

this just might be better

[hybrid flare]

since yk, they needed the light to combat the void in the first place

[onyx python]

dude wth is a lacelight 😭

[light swan]

i want there to be a goliathfall type area, a massive battlefield/castle used in the war that is conpletely destroyed and has like soulless husks and stuff

[teal ridge]

its 4th game of hollow knight that comes after zoteboat

[light swan]

goliathfall being an area in afterimage

[light swan]

so they used void, john white and lands serene forced them into exile using first light’s powers?

[hybrid flare]

the ruler and its associates due to the vow made to the god eventually started merging into the god's presence, kinda being slowly consumed into it and made the light become a sign of purity

[light swan]

ooh

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, as the void rampaged both sides of the kingdom

[graceful oyster]

Illusion I'm 30 seconds off from world record jadeless bowless F&N

And my last run was clearly unoptimized

This is peam

[worldly umbra]

you want the areas to start in bottom left? right? top?

[light swan]

30 seconds WTF

[light swan]

im thinking top right

[worldly umbra]

and you want there to be how many areas ?

about

[light swan]

actually idk how i feel about the merging it feels too

not something that would exist in this universe

[light swan]

around silksongs

[graceful oyster]

As far as speedrun.com is concerned

[worldly umbra]

28 got it

[light swan]

thats crazy tbh

grynne are you going for it

[graceful oyster]

Yeah

[hybrid flare]

I mean not like merging but the god kinda feeding on the high command

[light swan]

GOOD LUCK :D

[light swan]

idk what high command is

[graceful oyster]

Gotta learn optimal hitcycling and sticking to F in 2nd phase

[hybrid flare]

Basically john white and associates

[graceful oyster]

And it'll be easy

[light swan]

ok so high command = higherups of government led by John White

[hybrid flare]

yk the themes of losing yourself on purpose so it kinda tracks yk

[light swan]

honestly this lore is feeling more and more like afterimage lore and im loving it

[hybrid flare]

no fucking clue how afterimage's lore is but im balling with it soo

[light swan]

whats next, name john white Eseus The Transcendent?

[graceful oyster]

(Nine Sols late boss spoilies)
Here is my most recent hitless clear which is 2:04. WR is 1:34.
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1439042881535873146/1497537490641490023/FengsJadelessHitless_2-04.mp4?ex=69ede1f8&is=69ec9078&hm=bf1fde18a8de9a11cf0c2a5b7caef8438f06f85990154157b7bdb398d924561a&||

And I don't need to do it hitless anymore, so, that should help with speed

[hybrid flare]

that name rocks

idk what naming code tc uses for hk

[exotic dome]

name john white a light related term

like uhhhh radiance

[light swan]

it’s so peak omg

[exotic dome]

jk

[hybrid flare]

yeah i want to but also bug related somehow

[onyx python]

photon 🔥

[hybrid flare]

and idk what bug he could be based off of

[light swan]

pretry much ||big war, half the kingdom ravaged, fuse humanity into god|| afterimage spoilers

[worldly umbra]

ive drew this so far
bashed cron and old corel were the civilizations and lightmarsh was the border (as you said)
you can probably guess which side won (old corel)
both of them are in pretty bad shape tho and both are extinct
im thinking you start in lightmarsh, then you can go back into bashed cron later

actually i have a better idea

[light swan]

i can draw my idea later no pc rn, but my vision is pretty distinct

[lone escarp]

is she afk?

first the guardian goes invis, now she's afk

i'm expecting the third one to be hacking

[onyx python]

she's blind and has no brain cuz she's a plant

[lone escarp]

accurate vegetable gameplay

[light swan]

whats a cron

i like bashed cron idea

[hybrid flare]

ehhh, i think that lightmarsh should be remnants of both and the winning kingdom is clinging to its last glory concentrating on the parts that arent void tainted

like make a fucking living kingdom for fucks sake we dont have that yet

[worldly umbra]

i combined bashed cron and lightmarsh and bashed cron is a subarea

[hybrid flare]

oh alr

[worldly umbra]

ill make a survivors camp type thing

[hybrid flare]

No but like a decent portion of it would be still alive

[worldly umbra]

ill do that

[hybrid flare]

but the residents are isolated and unaware of everything else

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-lion-thinking-ragebait-rage-bait-monkey-gif-14090242814517187668

[hybrid flare]

hermit kingdom ass

[light swan]

ok bruh i cant draw on phone

just give it some time

[severe cosmos]

why are the clawline iframes just so ass

im trying to kill the beastfly 2

[hybrid flare]

pogo has iframes btw

[severe cosmos]

but dude, it is USELESS

[onyx python]

clawline has iframes?

[hybrid flare]

do we make john white the final boss or true final boss

[fiery burrow]

like the Roanoke guy

[halcyon plover]

I had the same question

[worldly umbra]

im too tired to draw rn

[hybrid flare]

what if hes both the final boss and the true final boss

[worldly umbra]

this is what i have rn

[hybrid flare]

but smt like they done with eigong and he redeems himself at the end of TE

[hybrid flare]

what is dirtgrounds

[worldly umbra]

dirt

[hybrid flare]

ye but why

it cant js be out of place

[worldly umbra]

why not

[hybrid flare]

[worldly umbra]

im just spitballing ideas and areas rn not final obviously

idk honestly

[hybrid flare]

ye ye but like think of connectivity

we love hk because everything is so carefully woven together

[light swan]

my ideas are very different from this unfortunately

[light swan]

should we fight the first light

for true final boss

[vale whale]

hi guys

[light swan]

to end the consumption of the lands serene or whatever

[minor sparrow]

Lowkey, I think the act 3 rest theme is my favorite of the hk rest themes

[vale whale]

what we talking about

[light swan]

hi onion

[vale whale]

it isnt the big M so that's a good sign

[light swan]

hk lacelight lore

[minor sparrow]

The letter 5

[worldly umbra]

lacelight

[vale whale]

whats lacelight

[worldly umbra]

hk game illusion is making

[light swan]

you don’t remember my ideas for the lace game?

[vale whale]

awesomesauxe

[minor sparrow]

Fan-made hk game idea

[light swan]

wair nvm that was different guy

[vale whale]

nothing to remember man

[hybrid flare]

naaah the first light isnt the root of the issue

i lwk dont want for the hb to participate directly

[worldly umbra]

all my ideas got poured onto my game i have nothing to contribute

[light swan]

#sk-discussion message
#sk-discussion message

@vale whale

[light swan]

fair

[crimson widget]

Should i platinum hollow knight voidheart edition as i already platted the normal edition

[light swan]

what if it’s a nine sols case

[vale whale]

you got an inciting incident?

[hybrid flare]

Maybe for the final act if you're planning to do it skong style the residents and everyone gets to know the state of affairs and john white loses the only thing that was keeping him "sane"

[minor sparrow]

So far the hk final bosses have been too bright and too dark, now you need to make a final boss at the light level of a bedroom

[light swan]

nope!

[hybrid flare]

ye i want it to be like that

[vale whale]

hmmmmm

[light swan]

still planning and thinking things out

[crimson widget]

Resident evil 🤤

[worldly umbra]

very early stages

[meager jolt]

NKG is a decent combo of both

[hybrid flare]

and john white goes to try and solve the issues himself succumbing to the dormant god's blood

[worldly umbra]

baby steps

[lone escarp]

ngl idk how to deal wiht nyleth

[minor sparrow]

No that mf is just red

[hybrid flare]

the arena is a void ridden old monolith of peace or smt

[crimson widget]

is that the one in silksong in act three?

[midnight magnet]

nkg makes me feel like a bug in a way that my ex wife couldn't

[meager jolt]

Red is bright but dark

[lone escarp]

@crimson widget

[minor sparrow]

Is that a peeled, glue dipped glyphid

[light swan]

whats the one thing

[vale whale]

what if she's looking to heal the void injuries she retained

[crimson widget]

Is she still like this?

[light swan]

could be

[minor sparrow]

So is cyan, so obviously joni should be the final boss

[midnight magnet]

My ex wife did this to me.

[light swan]

shes still tainted/marked with the void or whatever

[minor sparrow]

So how are you more of a bug from there

Do you like

[midnight magnet]

She peeled me and dipped me in glue every day because I only made 5 figures and not 6

[minor sparrow]

Damn

[worldly umbra]

lets think of some abilities lace will have or her moveset cuz im not that good at lore

like making it

[vale whale]

and mirroring her cradle fight what if the final boss is in an arena full of everblooms

[light swan]

i have some ideas but its nothing fleshed out

[meager jolt]

Slightly off topic, but I NEED the Abyss creature that appears in Hollow Knight (Lifeblood chamber in Abyss and Lifeblood room in Godhome) to appear in Sea of Sorrow with a medium-to-large role, maybe even a boss

[vale whale]

i dont know rhe final boss lore i just think it woulf be a cool parallel

[hybrid flare]

His "purpose" as a ruler and his people living relatively unbothered

[meager jolt]

I N E E D to learn more about it, it's adorable

[minor sparrow]

So obviously in the second half of the game she gets to control residual void leftover in her to switch between her normal attacks and voided ones

But at the cost of...something idk

[hybrid flare]

Lace is, she's trying to aid out others from not experiencing the same

[worldly umbra]

thats what i thought of

[midnight magnet]

Sounds like my ex wife

[minor sparrow]

5 dollars

[crimson widget]

Which bosses parallel?

[light swan]

ALSO lace_songsilk (left/banned) was interested in lacelight and wanted the enemies to be like corrupt governments rather than virus slop

this fits well

[hybrid flare]

kinda to mirror lace as having a predestined purpose but to break out of it

[hybrid flare]

Not corrupt but like actual people yeah

[light swan]

im already planning on that being in the white floral valley area but that would work too tbh

[vale whale]

also unrelated the cradle fight is a reference to the boss from mgs3:se

[minor sparrow]

The one dude that hated hk?

[hybrid flare]

guards that keep out in case the AC returns, waiting for so long they attack anyone at sight

[opaque sigil]

Silksong if it was interesting

[vale whale]

could she have a grapple sort of ability

[charred tiger]

MOREEE

[meager jolt]

Hate is a strong word, but he did criticize Radiance a LOT

[hybrid flare]

for the will of their ruler, alone, in his pale tower, getting himself slowly consumed by the vow he made uncaringly

[minor sparrow]

If silksong was interesting it'd get a 6/10 on ign and get 10k in sales total

[vale whale]

she wraps her longpin in a thing of silk and throws it and uses the hook to catch onto things

[charred tiger]

guys i might have discovered a glitch/skip

WHAT WAS THAT

[minor sparrow]

Im overexaggerating but anytime something in hk he'd like immediately say something in sk was better. Had this weird thing against quirrel

[meager jolt]

He hated Quirrel, yeah

[minor sparrow]

Not that I don't think SK is the better game but there wasn't much nuance to what he was saying beyond sk better

[opaque sigil]

Because it was ragebait

[minor sparrow]

Yea I figured, but I'm tryna make sure I got the right person

[exotic dome]

ye it really changed my mind

[light swan]

spitballing rn but

id say she can learn different attacks across the map

[hardy wyvern]

resting grounds ost just that goated

[hearty wren]

It's 1 in the morn

[minor sparrow]

Sleep my child

[hardy wyvern]

no scrap that, christopher larkin's music just that goated 🔥

[crimson widget]

I mean personally i loved silksong more as it was more smoother with more variety of skills, i liked hollow knight for its atomosphere and bosses but sk had better atmosphere but the bosses arent there yet, im hoping the dlc introduces some good bosses

[onyx python]

where did ts lacelight originate from

[hybrid flare]

ill cook with the lore lwk trust

[worldly umbra]

you can do that im writing in notepad some abilities

[vale whale]

i made a helpful illustratio

[meager jolt]

It's so good....so good........

[hearty wren]

Time to cap

[light swan]

as in like, a special sideslash, special upslash, special aerials, special pogo, special dash attack, etc
maybe 3 of each, and you can select which attack you want
also she should attack in combos rather than 1 attack that repeats

[hybrid flare]

js illusion you can ask at any time if you want to write it down

[light swan]

for spells i was thinking smth like binding light to her attacks in the past

[vale whale]

ooh illusion you need steel city vagueposting

[crimson widget]

I had a harder time with karmalita than with lost lace

[hybrid flare]

I want the abilities also to be each unique like hk

[hardy wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-hollow-knight-yayyy-reaction-dancing-gif-8195069935138336617

[hybrid flare]

in the sense of obtainement

[hardy wyvern]

me when christopher larkin's music kicks in:

[potent vessel]

no lace game, only seth game

[vale whale]

with the void thing you have a ton of options to vaguepost

[worldly umbra]

true

[minor sparrow]

I think as a whole sk bossed just felt better but that's because they're more tuned to hornets moveset which is naturally faster. On average I think silksong bosses are better but I could see the thought that hk has some high highs

[light swan]

so like, you can bind a bit of light and then your next attack will be boosted
this turns every attack and it's variant into it's own spell

and you can bind more light to make the spell stronger ig

i have no idea how lace heals because she needs silk to heal

[hybrid flare]

like at one point lace might find a crystallized paleblood stone and it allows her to imbue light into her attacks

[hybrid flare]

Make her feed on the paleblood

kinda like gradually replacing her composition

[vale whale]

the last time crystals and light collaborated bad things happened

[hybrid flare]

truth

[vale whale]

what yall got for the antag

[crimson widget]

The movement and fast paced gamestyle was the thing that got me hooked, i loved all the bosses but i’d say as of now hk has better bosses, as it includes radiance absolute radiance, grim nkg hollow knight pure vessel, which are all wonderous bosses, whereas sk includes karmalita, all lace fights, grand mother silk, phantom and last judge

[vale whale]

or antagonistic force

[hybrid flare]

illusion do you have notes @light swan

[vale whale]

or overarching antag

[crimson widget]

Void

[leaden delta]

lace combat game where you also have motion inputs

[hybrid flare]

i really dont want to write a whole ass doc

[vale whale]

would be sick

[leaden delta]

I better be seeing u pop three full circles before hitting ur super

[crimson widget]

I lowkey want to see laces story be continued if they make a 3rd game

[exotic dome]

is john white the final boss or the true final boss

[vale whale]

moving the controller to aim your grapple mid fight and then hit a combo or something

[hybrid flare]

both

[light swan]

im thinking both rn

[vale whale]

whos john white

[leaden delta]

not what I meant

[light swan]

@vale whale john white

[crimson widget]

Candice

[light swan]

turn john white into an eggnog situation

[exotic dome]

oh good i thought you were gonna make shade lord or smth

[hybrid flare]

he'll get an actual name when i learn how the fuck tc names their characters

[vale whale]

wuzzis name

[hybrid flare]

i wanted to do smt with a latin name but it would be unfitting

[hybrid flare]

john white's

[vale whale]

yes

[charred tiger]

give it a bug name

[hybrid flare]

bug + light smt

[light swan]

john white for now

[worldly umbra]

can someone post the default silksong controller controls please

for no reason ofcourse

[exotic dome]

light related prefix or some alias to their name would be cool too

[charred tiger]

the radiance...

[exotic dome]

like that yeah

[crimson widget]

Can someone give me context on what the actual hell id happening

[worldly umbra]

got it nvm yall

[hybrid flare]

btw rewrite what i've told you before (they started using void to retaliate before the exile)

[leaden delta]

people be saying shit bout silksong but it’s light work. I better be saying numpad notation for lace combos

[worldly umbra]

posting this for refernce

[vale whale]

John White, Witness of Destruction like the void ????

[charred tiger]

#sk-discussion

[light swan]

yea

[hybrid flare]

As to why they were antagonized, because of their research into the deep

[crimson widget]

Uh

[light swan]

ill expand tho

[hybrid flare]

change this @light swan

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-pleading-emoji-emoji-plush-cry-gif-26365472

[vale whale]

as in the destruction the void

[crimson widget]

Im already on it no

[hybrid flare]

its the other way around

[crimson widget]

@vale whale what are you writing give me some context im going crazy

[vale whale]

theyre doing a fangame or something

[crimson widget]

Ah

[hybrid flare]

laceslop fangame

[lone escarp]

man, i really don't wanna sit around and wait for nyleth to launch her attack, but i'm forced to wait like in an elevator. fantastic

[crimson widget]

Whose the antag

[hybrid flare]

About core identity and sacrifice ig

[hybrid flare]

alr ty

[light swan]

john white

[crimson widget]

Mind screensharing? I might be able to help

[vale whale]

is john white a higher being

[crimson widget]

And whats the like plot

[lone escarp]

nah, thanks but it lags

[exotic dome]

why does lace fights against john white

[light swan]

#sk-discussion message

[light swan]

no, regular bug

should john white be a wyrm

[hybrid flare]

and illu, the AC didnt use void at first, they only tried studying and explore it, its after the first bunch of quarrels that they started pouring it around the kingdom

no he's just a guy

[vale whale]

@light swan do lace and john white fight for the everbloom

[hybrid flare]

that made a vow with a hb unconsciously

[light swan]

idk yet

[crimson widget]

I’d feel it’ll better if the bosses can talk and john just like us fighting our way through the top, and the bosses tell us the way john fights / lore about him

[crimson widget]

The everbloom doesnt exist in pharloom im pretty sure

[hybrid flare]

I'd imagine they would fight for the attempt at fixing the void thats plaguing the kingdom

[vale whale]

this takes place in the lands serene

[vale whale]

so theyre glory hunters

[light swan]

we're not in pharloom we're in the lands serene

[hybrid flare]

Lace sees her own way, john white his own

[crimson widget]

Why would they need the everbloom??

[vale whale]

how do they differ

[light swan]

go read the lore so far

[vale whale]

lands serene is in disrepair or something and half of it is plagued by void methinks

[crimson widget]

After the events of silksong, doesnt the void retract and like is in peace with hornet / recognizes lace as his sister??

[hybrid flare]

John white wants to keep his kingdom as it is, believing that changing stuff would bring demise, and lace doesnt want bugs to experience what she did (exposure to the void)

i will write more parallels but this is like the basis

[vale whale]

the void was at peace wirh hornet ever since the knight became the shade lord

[vale whale]

so john white is hogging the everbloom

[exotic dome]

what is the reason of lace going there

[crimson widget]

As the trophy that pops up is sister of the void hence lace is tied to the voided knight, so it wouldnt make sense for him to attack his own sister

[vale whale]

i think she's void stained

[light swan]

shes still tainted/marked with void and stuff or smth

[hybrid flare]

at the last act of the game john white actually acts upon the kingdom and tries to fix it himself, leading to the kingdom's gates being open and the citizens of his kingdom getting to know the truth

[vale whale]

bro no she isnt rhat's hornet

how does john white look

[hybrid flare]

The everblooms/flowers are smt that grows out of the dormant higher being's blood, which john white used as a last resort to combat the AC's void pourings and he and his associates made a vow with when using it, marking them slowly for the hb's consumption

they basically slowly fade into the greater omnipresent hb's presence

[vale whale]

has the hb been drained dry

and the everbloom is the last of its kind or something

[hybrid flare]

Nope, still pumpin, its too expansive

[crimson widget]

Im sayinf that hornet is with lace when she meets knight, and hence the knoght recognizes the, both as sisters, hence the trophy sisters of the void,
I’d say make it so johns ability is to control the void and make it act against his own will to fulfill the role of granting his kingdom freedom. Lace fights john and in that fight she also makes the void regain its inner control but john gets a powerup which results in the final phase

[vale whale]

it's sister of the void

sisteR

[hybrid flare]

Nope, it just wasnt enough compared to the pourage of void in the city, john white tried to use it but he saw how it started to take a toll on the kingdom due to it being founded on it and the hb needing something in exchange

not in the city but both kingdoms you get me

[light swan]

should the white floral valley be the only place to enter the void half

im thinking there should be 3 entrances minimum

[crimson widget]

make john a relatable villain fighting for the kingdoms survival

[hybrid flare]

like the off limits area ig

[light swan]

well heres what i have rn

[worldly umbra]

ok ok

[light swan]

half of blue and orange will be voided

[hybrid flare]

Yeah im making him a regretful ruler/one of the commanders of the winning kingdom

[vale whale]

how does johnny boy look

[light swan]

the pink is the white floral valley, the "intended" way into the void half

[worldly umbra]

name the areas

[terse heart]

why is needolin woman called spinner boss

[hybrid flare]

idk

[light swan]

afterwards, thats less important rn imo

[vale whale]

if he's a normal bug what inspo

[sharp slate]

she used to do 360 no scopes

[hybrid flare]

no clue

[vale whale]

just one of those no inspo bugs?

[crimson widget]

@vale whale add hornet as a npc like quirrel

[hybrid flare]

maybe fireflies

[vale whale]

bro ask illusion😭

[worldly umbra]

also give me the names of the spells or do you not have that yet?

[light swan]

dont have that yet

i dont think names are as important

[crimson widget]

I didnt know whose writing it mb ✌️

[sharp slate]

real reason is just place holder name, weaver/spinner so they kept it for the files, never changed it in files/code

[crimson widget]

Add hornet as an npc, and whats the new map guy/girl gonna be like?

[vale whale]

you could add an ability where you pop a crystal and it sends out two cross explosions at different times

[worldly umbra]

two questions
how many spells do you want ?
are they more like silk skills ?

[green jungle]

is there smth to do in putrid waters cuz im done with act 4 other than it

[crimson widget]

It’d make sense if its still shakra

[teal ridge]

hornet?

[crimson widget]

Act 4??

[light swan]

none of these matter right now

[green jungle]

act 2 mb

2

[worldly umbra]

@light swan

[crimson widget]

Whats ur percentage as of rightnow

[green jungle]

it doesmt show

[crimson widget]

The putrified ducks is used by the fleas

[light swan]

#sk-discussion message

[crimson widget]

Final destination

[brisk parcel]

h,

[light swan]

completely unique system

[vale whale]

helpful illustration

[green jungle]

is there smth to do there or can i go to act 3

[crimson widget]

You havent gotten farsigt?

[green jungle]

no

[brisk parcel]

what is this supposed to mean

[worldly umbra]

make lace to have to parry to heal maybe

[vale whale]

she throws a crystal and it explodes twice

[crimson widget]

Go to private messages i’ll tell you all the requirements

[green jungle]

ok

[light swan]

i think we're getting into the less important depths

[vale whale]

crystals are cool

[light swan]

dont really feel like thinking of specific spells rn

ill reiterate my idea for her moveset tho

[brisk parcel]

i dont think lace and crystals have any relation

[vale whale]

iirc the game has the light thing and crystals have light refraction stuff

[brisk parcel]

what is iirc

[vale whale]

india indonesia russia china

[brisk parcel]

thanks

[fallen prairie]

Day 131 waiting for sea of sorrow

[light swan]

• all of her attacks (grounded sideslash, grounded upslash, aerials, pogo, dash attack, charge attack) are unique and have 3 variations you discover in the world
  • you can set and choose every single attack
• a light bar, consume chunks of it at a time to power up your next attack
  • your next attack will be a spell based around which attack it is, which means there will be a LOT of spells (18 spells, cuz 6 attacks and 3 variations each)
  • fully consume your bar to perform a special spell which you can also select (for example, crystal idea that onion had)
• also lace has her own abilities she unlocks during exploration obvioiusly

[vale whale]

at full light bar does she have a beam slash like grubberflys elegy

if you dont like light just get like 0.2x more dps

[light swan]

well idk about the specific details rn, i feel like it may be complicated enough tho

[fallen prairie]

Bird jumpscare

[brisk parcel]

whats his name

[crimson widget]

Make less spells but make it so the spells have 3 variations each

How will you make new abilities thats what im thinking

[light swan]

theres 6 spells and theres 3 variations

[crimson widget]

How will you make abilities for her

Like for hornet there was lore markers kf some sorr

For the knight there were voided spells or sum

For lace i’d say make it grandmothers silks leftover silk which was somehow still active which she consumes for new abilities

[hybrid flare]

Nah lace's gonna use the dormant god's powers

[onyx python]

what if silksong had a super red tool shotgun that you could fire and deal 30 trillion damage

[hybrid flare]

idk about her being able to maintain herself though

[fallen prairie]

Apollo

[light swan]

lace learns light in lacelight

[worldly umbra]

uh oh

i mean not but

[brisk parcel]

i like that name

[onyx python]

she's like pale or something that's the explanation

[worldly umbra]

let me just give my spell ideas rq

[hybrid flare]

one of the silkshots could've been ts

[fallen prairie]

What is lacelight?

[light swan]

alr

[worldly umbra]

Sparkling Slash : Holding RB will result in a light focused charge, and when letting go the light will remain until the user has hit an enemy.
Blazer Beam : Holding RB while holding UP will cause the player to fire a light beam from the pin, stopping once it hits an enemy.
Gleaming Crystal : Holding RB while holding DOWN will make the player throw a gleaming crystal, that explodes after hitting something and explodes vertically, then horizontally.
Pale Volley : Holding RB while pressing A will result in attacks for a short period of time that create a pale nail slash that shoot off until they hit an enemy.

[hybrid flare]

i mean she's really not able to biologically be like that cuz she's hand made and not born

[light swan]

#sk-discussion message
#sk-discussion message

[leaden delta]

and of course we add motion inputs to her normals

[onyx python]

the silkshots deserve more love from the devs

[hybrid flare]

Maybe lace is kept alive through the dormant god's tie

[fallen prairie]

Yeah no, you guys are going insane without sea of sorrow 😭

[hybrid flare]

since she learns light she must've consumed or interacted with the pale blood

[light swan]

idc about inputs but im fine with this, just that its really similar to hk and ss already

pretty much average spells

[worldly umbra]

were not insane

[hybrid flare]

nah ts is peak

[fallen prairie]

That's something a insane person would say

[worldly umbra]

no

[onyx python]

she goes to the steel city offscreen and they make a cyber silk heart for her that produces soul to keep her alive 🔥

[light swan]

i had the idea for binding amounts of light to yourself to cast different levels of spells for a while and i really like it tbh

[onyx python]

like some iron man type of shi

[leaden delta]

I loooooove my motion inputs make lacelight take inspiration from fighting games

[worldly umbra]

im too tired to create stuff rn honestly

[hybrid flare]

city of steel as we've seen it is NOT doing favours to anybody

[worldly umbra]

let me just like leave and focus on my own thing and maybe ill come back later

[onyx python]

idk bro she has an implant that gives her soul, its origin could be anything

[hybrid flare]

So lace needs to make a vow with the dormant god

lace's in the rabbit hole

[light swan]

yes !!

[brisk parcel]

i dont like lace she feels like an excuse to include the knight

[leaden delta]

236a makes lace pogo a long version of hunter pogo

[hybrid flare]

lace IS silksong's hollow knight

[shadow matrix]

I'm still in my first playthru is it impressive whatsoever to beat first sinner second try without any tools 😭

[onyx python]

it is

[hybrid flare]

tk being there has nothing to do w lace

[leaden delta]

I don’t agree??????

[brisk parcel]

why not

[leaden delta]

lace and tk have like not much connection. If anything abyss feels more like that

[onyx python]

i dont like lace because she looks like a complete dumbass

[brisk parcel]

yeah

[hybrid flare]

lace is a fucking mushroom

[leaden delta]

But I just think it’s tc hype beasting tbh. I don’t like tk being there

[brisk parcel]

and also her third boss fight is ahh its the most fps drop bossfight of all time

[onyx python]

why is she playing with butterflies while sorrounded by magma

[subtle lynx]

Man, that lace guy would have been nice in here

[hybrid flare]

son 💔

[leaden delta]

abyss works and I like void being the concept of regret, though I do wish ss abyss was less lame